2:26 AM me: see the problem is
  you aren't raised by your parents
  you are raised by an entire culture
  like there is a very good reason
  the school system is 48
  the culture of people there
  don't give a fuck
  abotu the next generation
  like
  everyone in Vegas talks how proud they are
  to not pay state taxes
  but like seriously
  that shit is a joke
  congrats
2:27 AM you got 5k back a year
  your kid is a tard
  welcome to america
 Dan: meh
  I mean yeah kinda
 me: the thing is if you give a shit
  about your community
  and your kids
2:28 AM you woudl want the best shit for them
  best teachers
  best libraries
  best public facilities
  like that is what taxes do
  yeah the govt is fucked up
  spending them
  and just like the red cross
  only a % gets there
  but
  if it was MY kid
  I would rather that kid get 1%
  over no %
  no more local economy
2:29 AM your kid is competing with like
  crazy Japanese kid
  who is basically suicidal about getting a A+++++
 Dan: like I get what you're saying and there are decent points in there
 me: I really think we should have
 Dan: I think taxes though are stupid.... I think if you pay for what you use
 me: an adult only
  city
2:30 AM Dan: you pay for what you use
 me: that is retarded
 Dan: why?
 me: because
  your doctor
  that you MAY use
  hopefully not
  doesn't get educated
  WHEN you use him
 Dan: Private schools
 me: the ER
 Dan: no
  what I'm saying
 me: the ambulance
 Dan: is instatutionalize it, cuz there are always going to be a need for schools and doctors and shit
2:31 AM like its not like a fucking hospital sits there with no one in it ever
  but privatize shit
 me: so basically your kid gets hit by a bus
  and since Jen is a waitress
  she should just get like
  waitress or manager quality care?
  no thanks
  hell
  I don't want Lily to get
2:32 AM resteraunt owner
  or teacher care
  I want her to get like
 Dan: Or she could pay for insurance
 me: BILL FUCKING GATES
  care
 Dan: which is like a bank account
 me: LOL
  have you used insurance?
  cause it is NOT
  like a bank account
  it is basically ensuring you get
  the bare minimum shit
 Dan: right
 me: and if the docs
 Dan: but you're taking it too literal
like lily isn't getting fucking bill gates care
  right now
2:33 AM with the taxes taking care of it
 me: she pretty much gets
  top
  she goes to John Hopkins
  for her epilepsy
 Dan: she's getting what is paid for
 me: and has the number one doc
  in the country
 Dan: yeah, but that isn't because someone is just giving her medical service
  someone is paying for that
 me: yeah but all those docs
  and nurses
  didn't get paid
  from her insurance
  going to school
2:34 AM they went to good schools
  since like
  kindergarden
  and I bet they had awesome libraries
  and maybe even govt day care
  that didn't include
  a slum
 Dan: yeah, and dude they got all that not because their parents were poor black people
  they got that because their parents were paying for it with "taxes"
 me: they could have
  but the fact is
2:35 AM what if their parents
 Dan: and instead of "taxes" they could pay for "services"
 me: were tards
  now Lily is out a good doc
  cause her docs parents
  could only afford
  1k
  cause they were garbage men
  your argument works if
 Dan: I think your stuff is bullshit, cuz taxes are just a way for people to distribute money
 me: we think of ourselves as only individuals
 Dan: as opposed to distributing money directly
 me: and the goal is just to die
 Dan: so that there wasn't shit skimming off
 me: not the betterment of the species
2:36 AM LOL
  dude there is always skimming
  the dude that sells the needles to the doc
  is skimming
  skimming is not going to be fixed
 Dan: yeah, but think about how much money is psent just distributing those taxes
 me: by directing the money
  that is a cultural issue
 Dan: how much money does a school actually get
 me: like Japan
  why they pay one amount for soda
 Dan: i'm going to be slow to repsond
  because i am trying to work =P
 me: yet only push the button for the size they want
2:37 AM until our culture of "get all you can get whether you need it or not" changes
  it has nothing to do with taxes
  it has to do with greed
2:38 AM if the needle company was like "man we can pay all our employees and buy all the materials and pay all our bills and really only charge 1/4 of the price, that is really helpful to man kind"
  taxes are a symptom
2:39 AM Dan: if the world worked liek amazon s3
  then shit would be happy
 me: just have to think how to solve it at the root... and then also what you care about... if it is just you and getting yours, then power to you, pay for your own shit and die and once you do it is done. If you give a shit about the next generation and the ones after that it doesn't seem so bad to contribute.... I mean hell you are getting the advantages of all the work that millions of other people have done for millions of years at birth
2:40 AM that is a simple simplistic way to look at the world
  cause if you only use and get what you pay for
  everything you ever got that you didn't do 100%
  knowledge
  etc
  all that wasn't yours