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irc logs from #towerjs 11/07 to present
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Jul 11 03:34:38 <thomaschaaf> Hi
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Jul 11 18:04:07 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 12 02:38:04 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 12 02:45:51 <hajr> Hello
Jul 12 02:46:27 <hajr> I need to know if I can import existing schema from rails app to towerjs
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Jul 14 00:35:46 -GitHub18/#towerjs- [tower] viatropos pushed 2 new commits to development: http://git.io/M8lBdw
Jul 14 00:35:46 -GitHub18/#towerjs- [tower/development] solidifying the associations api - Lance Pollard
Jul 14 00:35:46 -GitHub18/#towerjs- [tower/development] nullifying hasMany association - Lance Pollard
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Jul 14 00:58:17 <Josh_> ah didn't see the dev branch
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Jul 14 01:00:19 -GitHub49/#towerjs- [tower] viatropos pushed 1 new commit to development: http://git.io/hN4mTg
Jul 14 01:00:19 -GitHub49/#towerjs- [tower/development] notes on association autosaving roadmap - Lance Pollard
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Jul 15 07:55:46 Tcl interface unloaded
Jul 15 07:55:46 Python interface unloaded
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Jul 15 17:25:46 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 16 00:15:42 -GitHub12/#towerjs- [tower/development] fine tuning things for app, added ability class - Lance Pollard
Jul 16 00:15:42 -GitHub12/#towerjs- [tower/development] made operations work with _.isEqual, for mongo objectids - Lance Pollard
Jul 16 00:15:42 -GitHub12/#towerjs- [tower/development] basic error response in controllers with ajax - Lance Pollard
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Jul 16 17:28:37 <justin__> hello
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Jul 16 20:45:26 -GitHub128/#towerjs- [tower] viatropos pushed 1 new commit to development: http://git.io/jPAT-Q
Jul 16 20:45:26 -GitHub128/#towerjs- [tower/development] callbacks - Lance Pollard
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Jul 16 20:47:06 -GitHub117/#towerjs- [tower] viatropos pushed 2 new commits to development: http://git.io/h7ZvMQ
Jul 16 20:47:06 -GitHub117/#towerjs- [tower/development] fixes not being able to stop redirect using helper functions - Scott Tesoriere
Jul 16 20:47:06 -GitHub117/#towerjs- [tower/development] Merge pull request #171 from scottkf/development - Lance Pollard
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Jul 16 21:27:27 <justin__> hello?
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Jul 16 22:37:19 -GitHub107/#towerjs- [tower] viatropos pushed 5 new commits to development: http://git.io/36aejg
Jul 16 22:37:19 -GitHub107/#towerjs- [tower/development] callbacks - Lance Pollard
Jul 16 22:37:19 -GitHub107/#towerjs- [tower/development] tests for callbacks, still havent found how to reproduce uniqueness executing twice bug - Lance Pollard
Jul 16 22:37:19 -GitHub107/#towerjs- [tower/development] tests for callbacks, still havent found how to reproduce uniqueness executing twice bug - Lance Pollard
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Jul 17 11:54:49 <Ricky_Ricardo> Greeting everyone.
Jul 17 11:55:01 <Ricky_Ricardo> err, greetings even
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Jul 17 15:40:23 -GitHub141/#towerjs- [tower/development] callbacks - Lance Pollard
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Jul 19 03:36:07 <DrGigabit> Hi folks, got some questions about towerjs. What is the right way to handle "environments"? Say, I have dev, staging and production. Dev works so far. For staging and production I want to put all static assets to S3 and make the "views" including them from S3. Where should I configure this in my app?
Jul 19 03:42:17 <e_dub> DrGigabit, I'm really not sure. I think if you search "issues" for S3, I recall seeing someone talking about it was one point, though it's really been awhile. Otherwise, I think your best bet is asking on stackoverflow. If you tag it with towerjs there viatropos will see it. Seems like I'm the only one in here who tries to answer questions lately, probably other folks are idling and dont see it
Jul 19 03:43:14 <e_dub> it doesnt help that its around 4am here in central time zone US
Jul 19 03:44:31 <e_dub> So I hate to just send you elsewhere, and I almost didn't say anything since I didnt have an answer, but I didn't want to just leave you hanging
Jul 19 03:48:46 <DrGigabit> I see, overall I am in the process of choosing a web technology stack for the project, basically between RoR and nodejs. Since I have Java and .NET background, in most cases I know what I want to do, but don't exactly know how :-) Obviously, the community support is important, I will try to see what's happening on stackoverflow.
Jul 19 03:53:44 <e_dub> unfortunately, tower's community is small right now. node's as a whole is not. it's actually huge. but tower itself is still really young. I think it's going topretty much blow everything else away once it hits 0.5.0, and that's coming soon, but I'm actually not sure HOW soon. That said, I know for a fact that people are building apps with it, and doing cool stuff already.
Jul 19 04:08:11 <DrGigabit> I find some really cool ideas to be already implemented, such as built-in design.io support; Seems like some kind of HOWTO is missing to get more people started with towerjs. It takes a lot of ideas from RoR, but it is not sure what is possible right now and what is not.
Jul 19 04:12:36 <e_dub> you're absolutely right, and viatropos has said he plans to put that kind of stuff in place as soon as he gets it to 0.5.0, but in the meantime, this is what I've been doing to learn tower, and I've written it up pretty thoroughly: https://github.com/edubkendo/demoApp
Jul 19 04:13:12 <e_dub> but I'm a long way from done with it, and a paying gig has most of my attention right now. Plan to return to it as soon as I can.
Jul 19 04:13:39 <e_dub> still, might help get you going, there's also another part:
Jul 19 04:13:59 <e_dub> https://github.com/edubkendo/sampleApp
Jul 19 04:14:07 <e_dub> that goes into deploying to heroku
Jul 19 04:16:36 <e_dub> heh if I sound like a tower evangelist, sorry about that. I guess I kind of am though.
Jul 19 04:16:49 <DrGigabit> wow, cool! I didn't know that example
Jul 19 04:18:18 <e_dub> woops: https://github.com/edubkendo/firstApp is the one with the heroku deploy stuff, sampleapp is the one I'm on currently that needs a lot more work
Jul 19 04:19:09 <e_dub> do want to get back to it soon, but I've got at least a few more weeks work on this other project before that will be possible
Jul 19 04:22:17 <DrGigabit> Will definitely have a look, thanks! Currently I am thinking of using towerjs + linked-in dust.js + backbone.js; so perhaps I'll also contribute some demo app with that stack.
Jul 19 05:51:10 <DrGigabit> Managed to upload the assets to S3, now the question is how to make the app read them from Amazon in the "production" configuration
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Jul 20 05:46:04 <DrGigabit> Hi folks, in case anyone is alive here; I am trying to understand how I could combine server-side and client-side controllers in towerjs. Say, I want some actions to be pure client-side; is that currently possible to define client-side routes? Any pointers?
Jul 20 05:47:11 <DrGigabit> Or I need to use some kind of pure client-side MVC like backbonejs in combination with towerjs
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Jul 26 04:40:27 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 26 11:45:19 -GitHub68/#towerjs- [tower/development] validations and merging some attachment code - Lance Pollard
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Jul 26 12:40:06 -GitHub33/#towerjs- [tower/development] define sizes on attachment - Lance Pollard
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Jul 26 19:23:24 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 26 19:54:11 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 27 03:06:05 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 27 14:40:07 -groupcat- [Olympic Global Notice] P.S. I was meant to say, talk about the games in ##olympics.
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Jul 28 06:44:21 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 28 07:03:53 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 28 07:12:13 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 28 07:36:23 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 28 22:03:13 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 29 17:31:00 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 29 21:14:35 <nepjua> hi, i'm looking for node.js frameworks for some time
Jul 29 21:15:04 <nepjua> i found towerjs suitting my needs
Jul 29 21:15:33 <nepjua> but i couldn't find where to start, are there any good tutorials or examples ?
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Jul 30 20:44:48 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 31 05:38:40 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 31 17:05:08 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Jul 31 17:27:51 -GitHub57/#towerjs- [tower/development] Adding commentary describing the file function - Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
Jul 31 17:27:51 -GitHub57/#towerjs- [tower/development] Adding descriptive header comments - Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
Jul 31 17:27:51 -GitHub57/#towerjs- [tower/development] Switching to a glob readme catch - Kurtis Rainbolt-Greene
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Jul 31 17:28:51 -GitHub76/#towerjs- [tower/development] writing some more tests and fixing some issues with dirty attribute tracking. adding comments to rest of code - Lance Pollard
Jul 31 17:28:51 -GitHub76/#towerjs- [tower/development] fixing dirty, but tmp rolling back - Lance Pollard
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Jul 31 18:47:33 * Topic for #towerjs is: towerjs.org -- Questions? Ask here or post on StackOverflow with the tag `towerjs`
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Aug 03 01:28:17 <viatropos> Hey all, cleaning things up for merge. Going to be going through all the code and writing a lot of tests, and something that's been on the list todo is modularize the core codebase so a) it's easier to test, and b) so you can use parts of it (like just the model layer in titanium). What are your guys' thoughts on this structure: https://gist.github.com/6240e63ed5297dc9193b
Aug 03 01:33:41 <e_dub> hey viatropos looked it over real quick, it looks good. you mentioned getting rid of the middleware package though. Is middleware not something that will probably grow with time as use-cases demonstrate needs for more of it, or is there another/better model for handling that sort of thing?
Aug 03 01:34:39 <e_dub> but yes, in general, more modularity is a good thing, and in particular, this looks like a very sound structure
Aug 03 01:36:16 <viatropos> e_dub: yeah I'm not really sure, I haven't been able to think of anything really, since connect/express have tons of stuff I haven't even used yet. I'm kind of imaging doing like what Rails did, where at first there's no middleware (earlier rails), but once we realize all the things that can be optimized from the controller into middleware (like rack), then we refactor. I can't see in advance the things middleware would solve (but
Aug 03 01:36:16 <viatropos> just b/c it's a little further than I've had to go)
Aug 03 01:36:41 <viatropos> I'll just keep it how it is for now, no reason changing the middleware organization at this point
Aug 03 01:36:54 <e_dub> that's kind of what my thinking was
Aug 03 01:36:57 <viatropos> (but still make it a tower-middleware package)
Aug 03 01:37:00 <viatropos> nice
Aug 03 01:37:15 <viatropos> This feature branch stuff is way better :)
Aug 03 01:38:10 <viatropos> I kind of like going on tangents, but I haven't let myself the past few months b/c I didn't want to mess up the core code base. But feature branches allows that : ), which makes it easier to try things and in the end get more done faster.
Aug 03 01:38:25 <viatropos> How's it going with you e_dub? What have you been up to lately?
Aug 03 01:38:55 <e_dub> Well, awesomely, due to that tower demo-app I put together, someone wanting a dev with node experience hired me for my first gig
Aug 03 01:39:15 <e_dub> so I've been incredibly busy going from amateur to "pro"
Aug 03 01:40:04 <e_dub> but watching Tower's progress happily, and trying to field questions whenever I can
Aug 03 01:40:10 <viatropos> awesome man!
Aug 03 01:40:51 <viatropos> I know I see you answering all these questions about ember and tower and a bunch of stuff, pretty cool
Aug 03 01:41:46 <e_dub> yeah, it's really amazing that, until about 6 months ago, the only programming I'd done was BASIC in high school.
Aug 03 01:42:02 <e_dub> and it's really thanks to how much information for learning is available now
Aug 03 01:43:44 <e_dub> really exciting, watching Tower-dev getting closer and closer to merging, watching as you basically cross off item after item on the checklist
Aug 03 01:47:46 <e_dub> Also, saw you've been working on getting the docs ready. Is there anything, in particular, you'd like documented or changed? I should start having a bit more time for Tower again soon
Aug 03 02:12:00 <viatropos> just got food... One thing is we have to do something like this for demoing the views (which will default to ECO for coffeescript and EJS for javascript): http://naltatis.github.com/jade-syntax-docs/
Aug 03 02:12:52 <viatropos> Then the same thing for models, like a set of examples for all the REST actions, different queries like /users.json?createdAt=t..yesterday, similar to that jade thing
Aug 03 02:13:39 <viatropos> All those really should be is a markdown file with the input and output for each example, and we can transform it to editable with jQuery and whatnot.
Aug 03 02:14:57 <viatropos> Probably the same for the routes as well. So you'd have a page for models (App.User.where...), views, and controllers (routes and JSON api stuff), like that http://naltatis.github.com/jade-syntax-docs/ page
Aug 03 02:17:03 <viatropos> Other than that it's just documenting all the API methods at first. There's going to be an "API" section, and a "Guide" section, something like http://chaijs.com/api/assert/. And the test suite will be on the site as well.
Aug 03 02:17:47 <viatropos> So, nothing in particular, but if you wanted to start compiling examples like that jade page, that would be awesome.
Aug 03 02:19:01 <viatropos> Examples compiled for anything are great too, such as the underscore helpers.
Aug 03 02:30:55 <e_dub> ok great. starting to have a bit more time now, and been wanting something to do to help. really want to see tower blow meteor out of the water ;P it's already a better framework and I think every time someone chooses meteor instead of tower, a puppy dies
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Aug 03 03:28:54 <e_dub> cool viatropos , saw the push. good work. thinking the modularity should make working on and especially testing tower easier.
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Aug 03 05:45:26 <viatropos> e_dub: definitely, and in the last push all the namespaces were flattened (Tower.ModelAttachment vs. Tower.Model.Attachment); that should also simplify testing a lot.
Aug 03 05:46:24 <viatropos> night
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Aug 03 15:19:48 <viatropos> other good inspiration for documentation site: https://learn.thoughtbot.com/
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Aug 03 21:26:42 <e_dub> oh dope viatropos ember1.0pre just dropped
Aug 03 21:26:54 <viatropos> nice
Aug 03 21:27:35 <e_dub> hopefully things are getting settled enough that tower can start finalizing some things too?
Aug 03 21:29:50 <Ricky_Ricardo> good stuff
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Aug 04 01:17:06 <viatropos> e_dub: yeah things are settled now, going to start wrapping the installation stuff up, and in the process add some stuff to the generators and make sure bare-bones client routes work. Nothing big left, spent the past few hours looking at https://github.com/meteor/meteor/blob/master/admin/generate-dev-bundle.sh :p, it installs so fast b/c they've prebuilt everything (node and mongodb included). That led me
Aug 04 01:17:07 <viatropos> http://yehudakatz.com/2012/04/13/tokaido-my-hopes-and-dreams/ and http://omgbloglol.com/post/20783445544/on-railcar-an-isolated-rails-environment . In the short term installation will be the same as it is now (and we should get it to work with windows too, it should by default but there's probably a few random things). Then next installation optimization might be just for mac devs, something more like Railcar but just on the comman
Aug 04 01:17:07 <viatropos> (curl towerjs.org/install.sh), where it installs homebrew, then mongodb/redis/npm/node through them (unless they're already installed). Then we can think more about a precompiled binary for super fast installation, but that is smart enough to check if you've already set up most of the environment with homebrew (or equivalent on linux), and smart enough to allow some dependencies to be overridden later (like if you install a newer v
Aug 04 01:17:07 <viatropos> of node with homebrew months after you've installed this static binary). Just some ideas for the future. It seems pretty straightforward, but it's tough to decide, should you go for speed and get that super fast installation (and good first impression), or for maintainability and set up the environment how a "real" dev would (with homebrew for mac users). Let's come up with something we all like in the next month or two. Until then
Aug 04 01:17:07 <viatropos> wrapping everything up for release very very soon!
Aug 04 01:20:16 <e_dub> yes
Aug 04 01:21:21 <viatropos> Another way to speed up installation is to precompile `npm install tower; tower new my-app; npm install`, save it to a tar.gz, then have the curl script download that. Then whenever you do `tower new my-app`, it will just copy `cp` the node_modules folder and npm link to the global tower. That would basically mean every app you generate gets built instantly. But there's a lot to consider to make sure versions and whatnot don't get
Aug 04 01:21:21 <viatropos> sync with this method. Just some thoughts.
Aug 04 01:22:55 <viatropos> The big question is, is precompiling binaries too fragile (i.e. are there too many different os/architectures to make it worth the effort)? I don't know yet.
Aug 04 01:23:31 <e_dub> Yeah, some of this might be stuff to leave for people who actually use the OS's involved, ie windows
Aug 04 01:23:47 <viatropos> yeah
Aug 04 01:25:24 <e_dub> I do find it interesting that it is actually easier to install both rails and node on windows than on linux or mac
Aug 04 01:26:45 <e_dub> like, I was very happy using NVM for my node installs until recently, then ran into some situations where it just would not work that way. had to uninstall and go the "nave" route, which allows you to have a normally installed version of node, and still switch to older versions when you need to
Aug 04 01:27:17 <e_dub> and after a few installs now, I pretty much have my rvm/ruby/rails routine down, but that was a massive pain in the ass for a while too
Aug 04 01:27:47 <e_dub> it would be nice if tower was the reverse. like, optimized for mac and linux people, ie. the majority of the people who would be using it
Aug 04 01:31:05 <e_dub> I realize I'm a bit off topic from what you were talking about, just sort of thinking out loud
Aug 04 01:33:49 <e_dub> btw, I've been logged in here pretty much 24/7 since the irc channel started viatropos, not that much has been said when you werent here, probably three or four conversations with people having problems, but if you do ever want those logs, just let me know. Been meaning, actually, to build a bot that runs on heroku or something and logs everything in here. maybe i'll do that soon. be kind of cool to build that with tower just for kicks,
Aug 04 01:33:49 <e_dub> and make it a demo of some sort maybe.
Aug 04 01:57:59 <e_dub> viatropos, read through the railcar and tokkaido posts . I really like the railcar guy's approach, where you can use basically as much or as little railcar as you want. kind of goes back to what you were saying about making it smart enough to check what you already have installed and use that instead. making it easy to install but where everything still works in the normal way when you want it to will be crucial, so people can still use
Aug 04 01:57:59 <e_dub> stuff like homebrew and npm without breaking anything
Aug 04 02:19:19 <viatropos> for sure, we should optimize for mac/linux... having a bot save the irc logs would be very useful, I've thought about that a lot lately (having one)... I'm with you on that too, I like railcar's approach best. Yeah, it's a super pain to get everything installed for newcomers (to node even), unless you're familiar with homebrew then it's easy, so making this process painless would be helpful.
Aug 04 02:23:11 <viatropos> man I was going to try and hold this back :) but it's going to be super powerful it seems. Imagine being able to do `tower new my-app --mongolab --redis2go --heroku --sendgrid --twitter-bootstrap --s3 --google-analytics --custom-domain my-app.com`. Or anything in here: https://gist.github.com/76bb87af4fc23fd78f88
Aug 04 02:24:13 <viatropos> we just hack together little "recipes" and basically, you can do `tower new...` with everything you want and if you specify `--heroku`, it will create a heroku app and deploy it in one swoop.
Aug 04 02:24:47 <viatropos> `tower new` is probably going to `npm install` automatically (or copy cached node_modules from some hidden app), so it would be fast.
Aug 04 02:25:07 <e_dub> wow, this is cool as hell
Aug 04 02:26:05 <viatropos> yeah, then someone could solve the ec2 and nodejitsu ones and you can deploy a node app in 1 line to any cloud platform, with mongodb/redis/email/sms (moonshadow on heroku). seems crazy
Aug 04 02:26:57 <e_dub> this is really awesome
Aug 04 02:28:28 <viatropos> Then you do something like this (with better design): http://railswizard.org/, on towerjs.org/new, and it gives you a url such as http://railswizard.org/d9a7ab6ee54e2ff63eab (which is just a hash of the different combos of mongodb/redis2go/etc. so it's finite and cacheable in memory), which you run as `tower new my-app -t http://towerjs.org/d9a7ab6ee54e2ff63eab`
Aug 04 02:29:04 <e_dub> so how close are various milestones now? it seems like you've been cranking far far more than I had even realized man.
Aug 04 02:29:19 <viatropos> So after selecting your "perfect app", it says "paste this in the terminal, and open http://my-app.herokuapp.com"
Aug 04 02:31:14 <e_dub> your pretty much blowing my mind right now lol
Aug 04 02:32:40 <e_dub> lots of people give lip-service to "taking the boilerplate out of software" but really, tower is going to do it in such a huge way
Aug 04 02:33:41 <viatropos> Well, the model layer is pretty solid at this point. The only big thing left is embedded documents / acceptsNestedAttributesFor. It turns out to be way tricker than I imagined b/c should the client send nested JSON `{user: {email: ''}, {address: {city: ''}}` to the server is `address` is embedded, or as separate docs (because it should work both ways). Stuff like that, there's a bunch to work through. But I need to get those done s
Aug 04 02:33:42 <viatropos> you can save the generated attachment thumbnail width/height as an embedded document on the attachment for an app. But then I also want to set it up so if you choose some SQL database (or db that doesn't have nested docs), it just creates a flattened key such as "thumb_width = 50" for {thumb: {width: 50}}.
Aug 04 02:34:20 <viatropos> So embedded docs will work in any database, it will just be transformed to flattened keys. I need to finish that soon anyways, but after I release this stuff now.
Aug 04 02:37:23 <e_dub> so, are you planning to merge in development branch stuff, then work on the embedded docs ?
Aug 04 02:38:13 <viatropos> Other than that, we need to write lots of tests for the models. Make sure fields all field types are serialized/deserialized properly in every case we can think of. And then make sure xss/sanitization/etc. is setup on model attributes, and that mass assignment protection works as intended. It does, but I know there's edge cases that are going to break that we need to test. Then test polymorphic associations, haven't touched the cod
Aug 04 02:38:13 <viatropos> those in a little while (but they are working, I'm using them in an app). Some more tuning can be done on the model cursors as well. And we need to set up sorting in Ember, so when a record is created/updated/deleted on the client it gets inserted into the right position in a sorted array (ember has this, just need to wire it up). So, small things for the models, but overall they're very complete. Super eager to start implementing
Aug 04 02:38:13 <viatropos> other dbs, which will be really easy, but want to test the stuff thoroughly first.
Aug 04 02:39:23 <viatropos> Yeah, I'm ready to merge now before embedded docs. Over the next week or two I'm going to run through the whole process of generating an app and deploying and make sure everything works, then release. I don't foresee anything big, just testing little things here and there.
Aug 04 02:40:53 <viatropos> The controller layer needs some fine tuning in terms of error handling/messages, but other than that it's pretty good. Then it's mostly just going be optimizing the views on the client with ember (after first release in next few weeks, say 2-3 weeks).
Aug 04 02:42:10 <viatropos> All the things like attachments, background jobs, authentication, etc. are working well, and the model layer is solid, so there's not much left other than fine tuning, testing, and documenting/solidifying the API.
Aug 04 02:42:23 <e_dub> awesome. I think if we can get something out there people can use, and really start generating lots of buzz, with demos/tutorials/screencasts, tower should get an influx of fresh eyes and hands and make some of this start happening at a faster and faster rate
Aug 04 02:43:04 <viatropos> definitely, it's tough though b/c you want to try to time it right but the timing is never perfect (:
Aug 04 02:43:37 <e_dub> yeah thats true. there's always gonna be one more thing to tweak.
Aug 04 02:45:05 <e_dub> well, as soon as you release, I'll plan to re-do my demo to work with it, and write up a nice blog post going through everything
Aug 04 02:46:26 <viatropos> I'm thinking, release what we have now as soon as we can, which will probably be in the next 2-3 weeks, maybe sooner (but then the docs will take a few days so maybe not). Then it will take a few days for it to be noticed, and a few more to be used, and in that time just make the docs and start on a demo app. Then as fast as possible, like 6 weeks from now, we should have a great demo and a new site/docs/video.
Aug 04 02:46:44 <viatropos> k, yeah that would be really cool
Aug 04 02:49:46 <e_dub> what branch should i use to start working on docs? i had trouble building the development branch the other day, though you've pushed quite a bit since then so i might try again
Aug 04 02:50:39 <viatropos> use the development branch. You'll probably have issues, this is everything we'll have to work through to release though so just let me know.
Aug 04 02:52:17 <e_dub> ok cool
Aug 04 03:08:31 <e_dub> viatropos, ok, first problem i am having: https://gist.github.com/3255778
Aug 04 03:09:30 <viatropos> what did the terminal say?
Aug 04 03:09:49 <e_dub> npm ERR!
Aug 04 03:09:49 <e_dub> npm ERR! Additional logging details can be found in:
Aug 04 03:09:49 <e_dub> npm ERR! /home/eric/git/community/tower/npm-debug.log
Aug 04 03:09:49 <e_dub> npm ERR! not ok code 0
Aug 04 03:09:51 <viatropos> you have node >= 0.8?
Aug 04 03:09:54 <e_dub> yes
Aug 04 03:10:06 <viatropos> what was this from, npm install?
Aug 04 03:10:08 <e_dub> yes
Aug 04 03:12:02 <viatropos> so you cloned tower and ran npm install (not npm install tower)?
Aug 04 03:12:08 <e_dub> yes
Aug 04 03:12:39 <viatropos> it might be from forever: they were having issues when node 0.8 just came out https://github.com/viatropos/tower/blob/development/package.json#L86
Aug 04 03:13:05 <viatropos> try changing that to >= 0.10.1
Aug 04 03:13:17 <viatropos> or whatever forever version can install on your computer
Aug 04 03:13:42 <e_dub> ok cool will try
Aug 04 03:14:16 <viatropos> k
Aug 04 03:15:13 <viatropos> npm comes installed with node now, very nice didn't realize
Aug 04 03:16:17 <e_dub> yeah, really a big step in making it easier to use
Aug 04 03:20:46 <e_dub> ok like this worked: "forever": "~0.10.0",
Aug 04 03:20:46 <e_dub> "coffee-script": "~1.3.3"
Aug 04 03:20:56 <e_dub> otherwise both of those mess it up
Aug 04 03:22:59 <viatropos> k, well you need that version of coffeescript though b/c of the different javascript it outputs, did it still install the other coffeescript in the postinstall hook?
Aug 04 03:23:38 <viatropos> oh, it looks like there's 2 coffeescripts specified, maybe remove the one in devDependencies
Aug 04 03:27:32 <e_dub> ok yup this works: https://gist.github.com/3255913
Aug 04 03:27:52 <viatropos> nice
Aug 04 03:28:12 <e_dub> you can take out the two design.io things, i just went ahead and threw them in cuz i knew it would be needed to compile
Aug 04 03:28:28 <viatropos> Hey if you wouldn't mind maybe posting the irc logs you were talking about on a gist that would be cool
Aug 04 03:28:41 <e_dub> sure
Aug 04 03:29:05 <viatropos> thanks
Aug 04 03:33:12 <e_dub> get this error trying to create a new app https://gist.github.com/3255968
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