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2014-10-11 01:58:33	-->	theinvsblman (~theinvsbl@84-10-193-129.static.chello.pl) has joined ##acidtube
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2014-10-11 01:58:34	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #4
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2014-10-11 02:11:48	@dGr8LookinSparky	hi theinvsblman :)
2014-10-11 02:11:55	@theinvsblman	hi
2014-10-11 02:13:27	@dGr8LookinSparky	at the meeting after acidtu.be and New Edge are introduced, would you like to give a brief summary of the status of Unvanquished before the conversations begin?
2014-10-11 02:16:02	@theinvsblman	kharnov is already working on it
2014-10-11 02:17:48	@dGr8LookinSparky	is kharnov going to be able to attend the meeting in 2 hours and 40 minutes?  Will he be getting up early for it :) ?
2014-10-11 02:19:32	@theinvsblman	well, he said he would write an article summing up unvanquished so far
2014-10-11 02:22:46	@dGr8LookinSparky	that might be after the meeting though? should we wait for Unvanquished to come into the conversations officially after the irc meeting when the chat log is posted on a thread on Unv?
2014-10-11 03:54:58	-->	PikaNoChu (5bb15a00@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.91.177.90.0) has joined ##acidtube
2014-10-11 03:54:58	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #5
2014-10-11 03:54:59	@TheOvermind	Note that I will shut off around 19:00 GMT every night and cookies will be lost. At least until I can find out how to read and write files.
2014-10-11 03:57:56	PikaNoChu	dGr8LookinSparky: ahoi
2014-10-11 03:58:10	PikaNoChu	scurvy dawg
2014-10-11 03:58:16	@dGr8LookinSparky	hi pika :)
2014-10-11 03:58:24	PikaNoChu	^_^
2014-10-11 03:58:32	@dGr8LookinSparky	already for the meeting? :)
2014-10-11 03:58:54	PikaNoChu	yeah, I'll just idle a bit
2014-10-11 03:58:58	PikaNoChu	hope more people join
2014-10-11 03:59:00	@dGr8LookinSparky	is your power point presentation finished? :)
2014-10-11 03:59:04	PikaNoChu	D: D: D:
2014-10-11 03:59:23	@dGr8LookinSparky	I did remind you of that assignment, didn't I?
2014-10-11 03:59:23	PikaNoChu	my embeded video doesn't verk on dis laptop
2014-10-11 03:59:39	PikaNoChu	slides are more fun
2014-10-11 03:59:44	PikaNoChu	they get stuck
2014-10-11 03:59:45	PikaNoChu	always
2014-10-11 03:59:47	PikaNoChu	:P
2014-10-11 03:59:48	@dGr8LookinSparky	:)
2014-10-11 04:00:25	PikaNoChu	always wondered, did they never figure out how to actually develop a funtioning slideshow thing? :P
2014-10-11 04:01:11	PikaNoChu	oh yeah, I still have to read through some pms, i'll do that now
2014-10-11 04:01:21	PikaNoChu	lot of text sometimes, hehe
2014-10-11 04:01:41	@dGr8LookinSparky	:)
2014-10-11 04:02:10	PikaNoChu	oh, look, a condump x_x
2014-10-11 04:02:18	@dGr8LookinSparky	I've been doing some work on the web series project, although we can't dicuss the details on this channel ;)
2014-10-11 04:02:36	@dGr8LookinSparky	finshing a few more condumps now btw
2014-10-11 04:09:30	PikaNoChu	hehe
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2014-10-11 04:14:44	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #6
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2014-10-11 04:15:09	-->	Swizaw (4d36c62b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.54.198.43) has joined ##acidtube
2014-10-11 04:15:09	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #7
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2014-10-11 04:17:40	@DevHC	`Ishq: Y HALO THAR
2014-10-11 04:18:52	-->	Swizaw (4d36c62b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.77.54.198.43) has joined ##acidtube
2014-10-11 04:18:53	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #8
2014-10-11 04:18:54	@TheOvermind	Note that I will shut off around 19:00 GMT every night and cookies will be lost. At least until I can find out how to read and write files.
2014-10-11 04:19:16	@dGr8LookinSparky	hi Swizaw and DevHC :)
2014-10-11 04:19:23	Swizaw	hello sparky
2014-10-11 04:19:56	@dGr8LookinSparky	I see people are joining early :)
2014-10-11 04:20:08	Swizaw	yeah no1's on trem
2014-10-11 04:20:14	Swizaw	don't have much to do anyhow
2014-10-11 04:20:42	@dGr8LookinSparky	I'm getting some work done for the web series before the meeting
2014-10-11 04:20:50	Swizaw	Okay
2014-10-11 04:21:03	Swizaw	Oh btw sparky i had to re-install trem and i deleted everything
2014-10-11 04:21:06	Swizaw	so i lost my botscamp level
2014-10-11 04:21:09	Swizaw	adminlevel*
2014-10-11 04:21:29	@DevHC	Swizaw: D:
2014-10-11 04:21:36	Swizaw	D:
2014-10-11 04:21:56	@dGr8LookinSparky	would you be around later Swiz for me to fix that for you?
2014-10-11 04:22:00	Swizaw	It's all good now i got my level back on new edge only botscamp missing i believe i had 3
2014-10-11 04:22:10	@DevHC	reinstalling trem does not imply that u have to delete everything
2014-10-11 04:22:23	Swizaw	Yeah i know i can keep the autogen
2014-10-11 04:22:27	Swizaw	But i forgot :p
2014-10-11 04:22:33	@DevHC	u should keep ur qkey
2014-10-11 04:22:35	@dGr8LookinSparky	also remember to backup your qkey and bind files always
2014-10-11 04:22:50	@DevHC	dGr8LookinSparky: also remember not to trust impostors
2014-10-11 04:22:50	Swizaw	Yeah the hard way taught me that
2014-10-11 04:23:11	@dGr8LookinSparky	hmm, you have a good point there DevHC ;)
2014-10-11 04:25:07	@dGr8LookinSparky	btw, do you guys know about http://vote.acidtu.be/ ?
2014-10-11 04:25:45	@dGr8LookinSparky	you van post ideas and vote for ideas on that site
2014-10-11 04:25:48	Swizaw	Yes i voted on the site for new players
2014-10-11 04:26:01	@dGr8LookinSparky	can*
2014-10-11 04:26:52	@dGr8LookinSparky	we will be referring to vote.acidtu.be during the meeting
2014-10-11 04:28:15	Swizaw	makes sense
2014-10-11 04:37:25	-->	Veyrdite (~valentine@14-203-193-219.static.tpgi.com.au) has joined ##acidtube
2014-10-11 04:37:26	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #9
2014-10-11 04:37:26	@TheOvermind	Note that I will shut off around 19:00 GMT every night and cookies will be lost. At least until I can find out how to read and write files.
2014-10-11 04:37:28	PikaNoChu	dGr8LookinSparky: by the way, was ams coming also?
2014-10-11 04:37:35	PikaNoChu	is*
2014-10-11 04:37:57	@dGr8LookinSparky	he is suppose to be coming, the last time I checked
2014-10-11 04:38:08	Veyrdite	Greetings
2014-10-11 04:38:13	@dGr8LookinSparky	also Kai I believe
2014-10-11 04:38:19	@dGr8LookinSparky	hi Veyrdite :)
2014-10-11 04:38:43	Veyrdite	`Ishq: Are we expecting anyone else from our side?
2014-10-11 04:39:18	Veyrdite	Sparky and Pika: what in-game names do you guys go by?
2014-10-11 04:39:45	@dGr8LookinSparky	I go by *<{dGr8LookinSparky
2014-10-11 04:40:21	@dGr8LookinSparky	Pika is *<{Pikachu
2014-10-11 04:41:20	@dGr8LookinSparky	`Ishq is asleep I think
2014-10-11 04:42:08	PikaNoChu	note that I don't play that much anymore
2014-10-11 04:42:17	@dGr8LookinSparky	theinvsblman is also known is redman, and he is from Unv :)
2014-10-11 04:42:22	Veyrdite	Neither do I
2014-10-11 04:42:28	@dGr8LookinSparky	we need to change that Pika
2014-10-11 04:42:31	Veyrdite	Last I played properly was about a month ago
2014-10-11 04:42:36	Veyrdite	Indeed
2014-10-11 04:43:06	@dGr8LookinSparky	lets try to find ways to fix that during this meeting ;)
2014-10-11 04:43:11	PikaNoChu	hehe
2014-10-11 04:43:27	Veyrdite	If you have not read my comment at http://forums.unvanquished.net/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=1611&p=14577#p14577
2014-10-11 04:43:31	Veyrdite	... it's worth doing so
2014-10-11 04:43:48	PikaNoChu	yeah, for me there's just some other stuff going on and trem is a bit of a distraction atm, but i certainly want to help improving things
2014-10-11 04:43:53	Veyrdite	Unvanq members are probably more polarised than your expect
2014-10-11 04:43:59	Veyrdite	*you
2014-10-11 04:44:28	PikaNoChu	yeah, it's a shame
2014-10-11 04:44:29	Swizaw	sparky
2014-10-11 04:44:40	Swizaw	i talked to kai he said he probably won't come
2014-10-11 04:44:59	Veyrdite	We've had to deal with a lot of culture that "Trem did things right" and that we should emulate old behaviours, so no matter what happens, we're going to start on the "eww Trem" footing
2014-10-11 04:45:12	PikaNoChu	well, we should probably do a condump and post it in public
2014-10-11 04:45:47	Swizaw	con dump of what?
2014-10-11 04:45:52	Veyrdite	IRC chat
2014-10-11 04:45:56	Swizaw	Oh
2014-10-11 04:46:18	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite: i'm a bit in the Trem-did-things-right camp myself, but I'm aware I just have a nostalgic look to the thing.
2014-10-11 04:46:24	Veyrdite	We all do :D
2014-10-11 04:46:32	Swizaw	:p
2014-10-11 04:46:38	Veyrdite	But after a while some of the mainline devs just get sick of it
2014-10-11 04:46:43	PikaNoChu	Anyway, I think there's a lot of stuff Trem does wrong also, thing is people generally disagree about what it is :P
2014-10-11 04:46:49	Veyrdite	It's like fans asking you to implement new things constantly
2014-10-11 04:46:51	PikaNoChu	I can imagine
2014-10-11 04:46:59	Veyrdite	You tune out or get an adverse reaction :(
2014-10-11 04:47:34	Veyrdite	You probably noticed how terse our replies are on our forums
2014-10-11 04:47:42	Veyrdite	Please don't ever take it personally
2014-10-11 04:47:44	Veyrdite	:)
2014-10-11 04:47:57	PikaNoChu	frankly it's better than trem.net
2014-10-11 04:48:14	PikaNoChu	the cynicism steers me away from there
2014-10-11 04:49:03	PikaNoChu	I mean, it's a lot better really
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2014-10-11 04:49:16	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #10
2014-10-11 04:49:17	@TheOvermind	Note that I will shut off around 19:00 GMT every night and cookies will be lost. At least until I can find out how to read and write files.
2014-10-11 04:49:34	 *	Veyrdite reads the Trem forums and takes notes...
2014-10-11 04:50:08	Veyrdite	What trem-derived communities exist at the moment?
2014-10-11 04:50:17	Veyrdite	We have murnatan, unvanq
2014-10-11 04:50:24	PikaNoChu	do mods count?
2014-10-11 04:50:27	Veyrdite	The orig trem site, acidtube
2014-10-11 04:50:31	Veyrdite	Mainly just sites/meeting places
2014-10-11 04:50:32	PikaNoChu	and there's the clans
2014-10-11 04:50:49	Veyrdite	Do they still have communities?
2014-10-11 04:51:08	PikaNoChu	https://www.aussieassault.net/
2014-10-11 04:51:11	Veyrdite	ATM I only know that Unvanq and acidtube members know about this site
2014-10-11 04:51:13	@dGr8LookinSparky	hi cu-kai :)
2014-10-11 04:51:23	Veyrdite	Hmm, IIRC aussie is dead
2014-10-11 04:51:28	Veyrdite	Their server for Unvanq is out of date
2014-10-11 04:51:29	@dGr8LookinSparky	there is also www.new-edge.org
2014-10-11 04:51:31	PikaNoChu	http://knightsofreason.net/
2014-10-11 04:51:32	@TheOvermind	G'night PikaNoChu
2014-10-11 04:51:36	PikaNoChu	:o
2014-10-11 04:51:39	Veyrdite	And Sixthy has disappeared from our community
2014-10-11 04:51:40	@dGr8LookinSparky	lol
2014-10-11 04:51:58	Veyrdite	Be careful PikaNoChu!  TheOvermind is up to something
2014-10-11 04:52:07	cu-kai	new-edge.org is the main gpp active community ri ght now.
2014-10-11 04:52:08	@dGr8LookinSparky	it usually is
2014-10-11 04:52:22	PikaNoChu	well, I don't know much about the 1.1 community to be honest. I joined when GPP was already released and just assumed it was the latest version everyone was playing
2014-10-11 04:52:23	Veyrdite	Have we extended an arm to them to join this discussion?
2014-10-11 04:52:25	cu-kai	at least in terms of players if nothing else
2014-10-11 04:52:54	PikaNoChu	yeah
2014-10-11 04:53:06	@dGr8LookinSparky	Kai is the lead admin of New Edge and runs its website
2014-10-11 04:53:11	Swizaw	hi im back
2014-10-11 04:53:12	PikaNoChu	also the Edge crowd seems pretty young compared to some other communities
2014-10-11 04:53:13	Veyrdite	Ah, apologies
2014-10-11 04:53:29	PikaNoChu	so they might not view the game in the same way as the old timers do
2014-10-11 04:53:40	cu-kai	well ams has been around since 1.1 / maybe earlier
2014-10-11 04:53:57	Swizaw	there are some old edge players
2014-10-11 04:54:02	Swizaw	mostly admins are
2014-10-11 04:54:07	@dGr8LookinSparky	the acidtu.be crowd and Edge crowed are the same crowds except for theirs developers :)
2014-10-11 04:54:07	Swizaw	most of*
2014-10-11 04:54:20	PikaNoChu	yes, but players are usually teens from what i gather
2014-10-11 04:54:23	Veyrdite	Is dev still happening on Trem mods?
2014-10-11 04:54:30	cu-kai	yes
2014-10-11 04:54:33	cu-kai	new-edge is regularly updated
2014-10-11 04:54:35	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite: surprisingly yes
2014-10-11 04:54:35	Veyrdite	Wow :D
2014-10-11 04:54:41	cu-kai	as far as i know, so is xserverx over @ 1.1
2014-10-11 04:54:53	@dGr8LookinSparky	also BotsCamp
2014-10-11 04:54:56	PikaNoChu	yep
2014-10-11 04:55:08	Swizaw	yes players mostly are teens like me I'm 17 but i play trem for like 6 years now
2014-10-11 04:55:15	Veyrdite	Is botscamp a bot implementation?
2014-10-11 04:55:20	PikaNoChu	cuboid is pretty dead since invsble man started focussing on unv instead
2014-10-11 04:55:21	@dGr8LookinSparky	cuboid hasn't been developed much since Unv stole redman from us
2014-10-11 04:55:23	PikaNoChu	yeah
2014-10-11 04:55:40	Veyrdite	We also have a bot implem.
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2014-10-11 04:55:42	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #11
2014-10-11 04:55:43	@TheOvermind	Note that I will shut off around 19:00 GMT every night and cookies will be lost. At least until I can find out how to read and write files.
2014-10-11 04:55:47	Veyrdite	Unfortunately they don't build and they get stuck
2014-10-11 04:55:48	imp_	hello every1
2014-10-11 04:55:50	Swizaw	hi
2014-10-11 04:55:51	Veyrdite	Greetings
2014-10-11 04:56:09	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite: the current issue with the bots on botscamp is pathfinding i think
2014-10-11 04:56:15	@dGr8LookinSparky	hi imp :)
2014-10-11 04:56:23	PikaNoChu	does the navmesh in unv work well?
2014-10-11 04:56:23	Swizaw	I think we should add like tips on /cpa on botscamp
2014-10-11 04:56:23	imp_	isnt the meeting starting now?
2014-10-11 04:56:24	Veyrdite	We're using existing libraries and navigation sectors
2014-10-11 04:56:33	Swizaw	such as 'Press your Q button to buy weapons on humans'
2014-10-11 04:56:35	imp_	hey sparky :) good to see you
2014-10-11 04:56:36	Swizaw	stuff like that
2014-10-11 04:56:46	cu-kai	swizaw, that's already in gpp
2014-10-11 04:56:46	@dGr8LookinSparky	same here imp :)
2014-10-11 04:56:50	cu-kai	if you have tutorial mode enabled
2014-10-11 04:56:50	Veyrdite	Almost: we should probably wait several more minutes before talking anything series
2014-10-11 04:56:54	cu-kai	which it's enabled by default anyway
2014-10-11 04:57:04	Swizaw	yeah but most players don't see that
2014-10-11 04:57:12	imp_	not as much ppl as i was expecting
2014-10-11 04:57:23	Veyrdite	From my nieve point of view: why are people developing their mods on Tremulous instead of Unvanquished?
2014-10-11 04:57:23	cu-kai	well its quite hard to miss
2014-10-11 04:57:26	Swizaw	tbh its more ppl than i was expecting
2014-10-11 04:57:27	Swizaw	lol
2014-10-11 04:57:28	@TheOvermind	wat
2014-10-11 04:57:28	imp_	not as much important ones too
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2014-10-11 04:57:34	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #12
2014-10-11 04:57:35	@TheOvermind	Note that I will shut off around 19:00 GMT every night and cookies will be lost. At least until I can find out how to read and write files.
2014-10-11 04:57:37	Swizaw	hi ams
2014-10-11 04:57:40	PikaNoChu	dGr8LookinSparky: by the way, when we start 'officially', we'll set topics to talk about?
2014-10-11 04:57:41	cu-kai	because tremulous requires less hardware requirements
2014-10-11 04:57:42	Veyrdite	Greetings
2014-10-11 04:57:50	@theinvsblman	unvanquished's code is too unstable at the moment
2014-10-11 04:57:51	cu-kai	that was badly phrased
2014-10-11 04:57:53	@theinvsblman	it's undergoing a total rewrite
2014-10-11 04:57:56	cu-kai	and unvanquished is still in alpha
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2014-10-11 04:58:04	Swizaw	Its almost close to 1pm we should go 'officially'
2014-10-11 04:58:04	cu-kai	why bother making a mod when the devs can update it once and break everything?
2014-10-11 04:58:14	Veyrdite	Hmm
2014-10-11 04:58:22	imp_	give em those 2 mins more guys
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2014-10-11 04:58:23	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #13
2014-10-11 04:58:23	@TheOvermind	Note that I will shut off around 19:00 GMT every night and cookies will be lost. At least until I can find out how to read and write files.
2014-10-11 04:58:28	Swizaw	Hi ams
2014-10-11 04:58:35	Veyrdite	I can counter-argue that
2014-10-11 04:58:35	PikaNoChu	ps: could we silence the overmind? :P
2014-10-11 04:58:47	Veyrdite	If you do something fun with the Unvanq code, it gets merged :D
2014-10-11 04:58:49	cu-ams	hi
2014-10-11 04:58:50	PikaNoChu	or is that virus' domain?
2014-10-11 04:58:57	Veyrdite	Also: things don't break as often as you think
2014-10-11 04:59:07	Veyrdite	Re gamelogic for example
2014-10-11 04:59:13	@dGr8LookinSparky	I was thinking that we start with an intro to acidtu.be, then Kai and ams can give an intro to New Edge, then we begin by refering to vote.acidtu.be
2014-10-11 04:59:15	cu-kai	but veyrdite, mods tend to be specific to servers
2014-10-11 04:59:16	Veyrdite	Has not been touched in ages
2014-10-11 04:59:32	@dGr8LookinSparky	hi ams :)
2014-10-11 04:59:36	Swizaw	Into = Goals and objectives*
2014-10-11 04:59:37	Swizaw	?
2014-10-11 04:59:39	Veyrdite	Ah, I'm probably thinking of this from a different philosophy
2014-10-11 04:59:41	Swizaw	intro*
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2014-10-11 04:59:47	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #14
2014-10-11 04:59:47	@TheOvermind	Note that I will shut off around 19:00 GMT every night and cookies will be lost. At least until I can find out how to read and write files.
2014-10-11 04:59:48	PikaNoChu	dGr8LookinSparky: alright, i don't mind the random chatter though, we're talking, which is the point :D
2014-10-11 04:59:53	Swizaw	hi global
2014-10-11 04:59:57	@dGr8LookinSparky	idk how to silence the om
2014-10-11 05:00:04	cu-kai	uh
2014-10-11 05:00:05	cu-kai	mute?
2014-10-11 05:00:05	@dGr8LookinSparky	hi GlobalWarming :)
2014-10-11 05:00:11	Veyrdite	Before we start discussions, can we all state which communities we're all from?  I'm completely new to meeting most of you :D
2014-10-11 05:00:11	@GlobalWarming	hi all
2014-10-11 05:00:14	Swizaw	hello
2014-10-11 05:00:19	@dGr8LookinSparky	I can't mute admins, and the om is an admin
2014-10-11 05:00:25	@dGr8LookinSparky	unless maybe I can change that
2014-10-11 05:00:33	PikaNoChu	what's everyone's time by the way? it's 2 pm here
2014-10-11 05:00:38	--	Mode ##acidtube [-o TheOvermind] by dGr8LookinSparky
2014-10-11 05:00:40	Veyrdite	11PM in Sydney
2014-10-11 05:00:43	@theinvsblman	14:00 CEST
2014-10-11 05:00:44	@GlobalWarming	9PM Japan
2014-10-11 05:00:46	Swizaw	I play on botscamp and new-edge play this game for close to 6 years and was an admin on RCz I'm from portugal (1pm now)
2014-10-11 05:00:46	cu-ams	hi gw, 3pm here
2014-10-11 05:01:10	Veyrdite	If only Viech were here.  He'd claim it was something like -2pm on Viech Shifting Time (VST)...
2014-10-11 05:01:11	@GlobalWarming	hi ams
2014-10-11 05:01:21	cu-kai	well, I am the lead admin of www.new-edge.org and the site admin there, cu-ams owns new-edge.org
2014-10-11 05:01:27	imp_	2pm
2014-10-11 05:01:28	@DevHC	RDY4ACTN !
2014-10-11 05:01:35	--	Mode ##acidtube [-v TheOvermind] by dGr8LookinSparky
2014-10-11 05:01:39	@DevHC	oh btw
2014-10-11 05:01:46	@DevHC	GIMME OPZ !
2014-10-11 05:01:52	Veyrdite	I'm a contributer for Unvanquished.  I've mainly just worked on the UI and I maintain the wiki
2014-10-11 05:01:59	cu-kai	I was at one point a server admin on RCZ
2014-10-11 05:02:03	cu-kai	until I moved to 1.1 Funserver
2014-10-11 05:02:05	Veyrdite	.. or used to.  Uni has caught up with me :D
2014-10-11 05:02:06	<--	dGr8LookinSparky has kicked TheOvermind (Bye!)
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2014-10-11 05:02:07	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #15
2014-10-11 05:02:07	@TheOvermind	Note that I will shut off around 19:00 GMT every night and cookies will be lost. At least until I can find out how to read and write files.
2014-10-11 05:02:12	Veyrdite	xD
2014-10-11 05:02:14	Swizaw	Sparky just leave it lol
2014-10-11 05:02:19	Veyrdite	You cannot kick the hivemind
2014-10-11 05:02:21	@dGr8LookinSparky	lol, some granger must have rebuilt the om
2014-10-11 05:02:27	cu-kai	talk about a 5 second om
2014-10-11 05:02:28	Veyrdite	Quick, get the eggs
2014-10-11 05:02:40	@DevHC	devmode on
2014-10-11 05:02:42	imp_	I am old admin of RCZ and co-creator of cuboid and acidtube
2014-10-11 05:02:43	PikaNoChu	you should ask virus to give it a mute switch :D
2014-10-11 05:02:44	Swizaw	Is this suppost to be productive? xD
2014-10-11 05:02:48	PikaNoChu	xD
2014-10-11 05:02:57	cu-kai	I was known as GLaDOS there, for anyone wondering
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2014-10-11 05:03:18	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #16
2014-10-11 05:03:19	@TheOvermind	Note that I will shut off around 19:00 GMT every night and cookies will be lost. At least until I can find out how to read and write files.
2014-10-11 05:03:21	cu-kai	i don't know how many of you, or if any of you will remember me
2014-10-11 05:03:28	Swizaw	Hello TheRudeMan
2014-10-11 05:03:30	imp_	i do
2014-10-11 05:03:31	Veyrdite	Hmm.  I sense a possible kharnov?
2014-10-11 05:03:33	Swizaw	I do know you kai :p
2014-10-11 05:03:40	ThatRudeMan	Hello Peepals!!!
2014-10-11 05:03:43	@dGr8LookinSparky	hi ThatRudeMan, which ever of my friends you are :)
2014-10-11 05:03:44	@DevHC	IDEA: multiple buildable OMs, only 1 is visible and attackable at a time; when 1 is destroyed, the other pops up; limit: 3 OMs
2014-10-11 05:03:46	Veyrdite	Yep, that's a kharnov!
2014-10-11 05:03:53	Veyrdite	(I assume)
2014-10-11 05:03:59	ThatRudeMan	Maybe I should reveal my identity
2014-10-11 05:04:04	Swizaw	Maybe you should
2014-10-11 05:04:11	ThatRudeMan	I am Prateek
2014-10-11 05:04:12	@GlobalWarming	owner of 3 servers in GPP, developer of gpp-bot mod (used in Botscamp), web developer and admin in acidtu.be. Played trem since 2007
2014-10-11 05:04:16	ThatRudeMan	Bwahahahahaha
2014-10-11 05:04:30	Veyrdite	... and creator of GlobalWarming?
2014-10-11 05:04:35	Veyrdite	Murderer!
2014-10-11 05:04:36	@dGr8LookinSparky	lol, that would have taken me a few more posts ;)
2014-10-11 05:04:38	imp_	u bastard!
2014-10-11 05:04:44	@GlobalWarming	some people say that... but I'm not sure
2014-10-11 05:05:00	@dGr8LookinSparky	welcome Prateek :)
2014-10-11 05:05:05	Veyrdite	Welcome :)
2014-10-11 05:05:17	Swizaw	hello
2014-10-11 05:05:21	@GlobalWarming	Welcome everyone :) full party here!
2014-10-11 05:05:21	imp_	ok then. idk about you guys but i have limited time so why dont we start?
2014-10-11 05:05:22	@dGr8LookinSparky	should we wait a couple more minutes?
2014-10-11 05:05:23	ThatRudeMan	SO, shall we start. Or are we waiting for some more people
2014-10-11 05:05:33	Veyrdite	It's probably worth waiting another 5
2014-10-11 05:05:39	imp_	ok then
2014-10-11 05:05:42	Swizaw	I think main people are here?Virus left maybe
2014-10-11 05:05:46	PikaNoChu	I've played GPP since 2010, started an host the acidtu.be forum, I've contributed particle effects, textures and sound effects to GPP and recently Unv. I also have an unfinished map that runs poorly :P
2014-10-11 05:05:48	@GlobalWarming	everyone be sure to read the ideas posted in http://vote.acidtu.be
2014-10-11 05:05:55	@DevHC	why?
2014-10-11 05:05:57	ThatRudeMan	Okay, I shall go and get some coffee. I still have hangover
2014-10-11 05:05:57	cu-kai	its 13:05
2014-10-11 05:05:57	cu-kai	lets start
2014-10-11 05:06:03	imp_	since 2010 pffft xD
2014-10-11 05:06:15	cu-kai	i started playing gpp in 2009
2014-10-11 05:06:25	cu-kai	i wasn't very good back then but meh
2014-10-11 05:06:33	imp_	:d
2014-10-11 05:06:35	Swizaw	1.1 around 2008 and 1.2 around 2009 which is when  was an admin in RCz
2014-10-11 05:06:45	@dGr8LookinSparky	btw be sure to refer to the rules
2014-10-11 05:06:47	@dGr8LookinSparky	http://forum.acidtu.be/viewtopic.php?id=555
2014-10-11 05:06:48	PikaNoChu	my first game I basenaded twice (on accident, I swear)
2014-10-11 05:06:48	ThatRudeMan	I started playing in 2007
2014-10-11 05:06:54	imp_	Swizaw u was admin on RCZ?
2014-10-11 05:06:55	@DevHC	GlobalWarming: CBA to register. u have volunteered to post (to vote.acidtu.be) all ideas and critics presented during this conversation
2014-10-11 05:07:07	Swizaw	Yeah i was then i got demoted for inactivity
2014-10-11 05:07:19	imp_	ahh
2014-10-11 05:07:28	imp_	RIP rcz ;/
2014-10-11 05:07:39	Swizaw	i was an admin like between 2009-2010 then i had a break which led me to get demoted
2014-10-11 05:07:40	@dGr8LookinSparky	I started playing trem around 2009 I believe
2014-10-11 05:07:54	@GlobalWarming	DevHC: ok
2014-10-11 05:08:11	PikaNoChu	hey guys, perhaps we should first run trough the points sparky set up and we can chat some more afterwards
2014-10-11 05:08:12	@dGr8LookinSparky	I have mostly played gpp since then
2014-10-11 05:08:22	Veyrdite	Ok
2014-10-11 05:08:23	imp_	I was playing trem almost since begging :p
2014-10-11 05:08:27	Swizaw	I think this was just an introduction to all of us pika
2014-10-11 05:08:35	Veyrdite	New site is a complex topic
2014-10-11 05:08:38	PikaNoChu	yeah
2014-10-11 05:08:43	Veyrdite	It's like introducing a new standard, cue xkcd comic
2014-10-11 05:08:46	@GlobalWarming	Yes, lets start this
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2014-10-11 05:08:54	imp_	fine
2014-10-11 05:09:03	cu-kai	http://www.onlineforum.cz/rcz/r-funserver-cz
2014-10-11 05:09:04	Veyrdite	I feel introducing a new 'newbie' site is highly likely to end up like this: https://xkcd.com/927/
2014-10-11 05:09:09	cu-kai	im still listed on the 1.1 list
2014-10-11 05:09:14	Swizaw	Lol
2014-10-11 05:09:20	--	Prateek is now known as Guest79875
2014-10-11 05:09:24	Veyrdite	Ideally we would take the existing sites and get them to link to each other in obvious positions on teh front page
2014-10-11 05:09:36	Veyrdite	*the
2014-10-11 05:09:51	PikaNoChu	I agree modifying/re purposing existing sites is preferable
2014-10-11 05:10:05	Veyrdite	Can this be done?  Who has control over tremulous.net for example?
2014-10-11 05:10:15	imp_	thats probably better idea in limited resources
2014-10-11 05:10:16	@dGr8LookinSparky	Our imediate goals on acidtu.be is to include manuals/tutorial/tips as well as downloads, etc
2014-10-11 05:10:16	cu-kai	i've already dropped one of the forum admins on tremulous.net a pm
2014-10-11 05:10:25	cu-kai	asking for partial control (perhaps just cms control) of tremulous.net
2014-10-11 05:10:32	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: We're also trying to achieve that at unvanquished.net/wiki
2014-10-11 05:10:42	Veyrdite	It's silly fragmenting the guides and docs
2014-10-11 05:10:48	PikaNoChu	DevHC: is involved with the trem.net forums?
2014-10-11 05:10:57	Veyrdite	Even for the differences between Trem and Unvanq, a lot is the same from the mapping/making/devving side
2014-10-11 05:11:09	--	Guest79875 is now known as ThatRudeMan
2014-10-11 05:11:10	cu-ams	yeah.. probably each game/mod should have it's own guides at least if its different enough from the others
2014-10-11 05:11:11	@dGr8LookinSparky	are wiki will be including the gpp and 1.1 mods
2014-10-11 05:11:12	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite: i agree we should probably have a shared wiki, or a way to sync between them
2014-10-11 05:11:21	Veyrdite	PikaNoChu: Yes, shared would be better
2014-10-11 05:11:29	@dGr8LookinSparky	our*
2014-10-11 05:11:38	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: How do you plan to fill your wiki with content?
2014-10-11 05:11:40	@DevHC	PikaNoChu: i hang around there, but i'm not any admin there
2014-10-11 05:11:54	@DevHC	(to be clear: tremulous.net, not trem.net)
2014-10-11 05:11:55	Veyrdite	I've found I'm the only one that writes on Unvanq's to any large degree, and I suspect you are the same with yours
2014-10-11 05:11:59	ThatRudeMan	I think we should first decide the architecture of the site. Just having forums or wiki makes site look ugly
2014-10-11 05:12:00	cu-ams	but yeah.. for mapping a good online resource would be more than welcome
2014-10-11 05:12:10	Veyrdite	Ooh site architecture <- has some opinions
2014-10-11 05:12:19	PikaNoChu	shoot
2014-10-11 05:12:20	ThatRudeMan	we need dedicated sections on a site
2014-10-11 05:12:25	@GlobalWarming	ThatRudeMan: I agree. We need a well organized website
2014-10-11 05:12:29	ThatRudeMan	rather than having just a forum based site
2014-10-11 05:12:32	Veyrdite	Make the whole site a mediawiki plus a forum
2014-10-11 05:12:41	Veyrdite	Wiki-based site, including the front-page
2014-10-11 05:12:48	ThatRudeMan	wrong!!
2014-10-11 05:12:55	Veyrdite	Theme it to look like something that is not a traditional wiki to avoid pre-assumed viewpoints of it
2014-10-11 05:12:59	Veyrdite	Why so?
2014-10-11 05:13:03	@dGr8LookinSparky	actually our wiki was originally meant for its private section for our web series project
2014-10-11 05:13:09	ThatRudeMan	we need introductions, a lonk to github to attract more people , then  forums/community
2014-10-11 05:13:12	ThatRudeMan	link*
2014-10-11 05:13:18	@GlobalWarming	That is how acidtu.be is now, but I think its not perfect. We need organize it better
2014-10-11 05:13:22	Veyrdite	That can be done on the wiki
2014-10-11 05:13:30	PikaNoChu	dGr8LookinSparky: well, that was one of the reasons, but the idea was around for a while
2014-10-11 05:13:31	Veyrdite	A wiki is just a normal site that's easier to edit and spread out access controls
2014-10-11 05:13:40	@DevHC	why would a link to GitHub attract anyone (of players, at least)?
2014-10-11 05:13:52	ThatRudeMan	and not a good looking wiki
2014-10-11 05:14:01	Veyrdite	Something I really want to nuke: fragmentation of IRC and forums
2014-10-11 05:14:04	@dGr8LookinSparky	is it practical to sync the unv and acidtu.be wikis?
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2014-10-11 05:14:10	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #17
2014-10-11 05:14:11	@TheOvermind	Note that I will shut off around 19:00 GMT every night and cookies will be lost. At least until I can find out how to read and write files.
2014-10-11 05:14:13	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: No, and it would be pointless too
2014-10-11 05:14:14	imp_	This project could also use some Youtube videos with tutorials,guides and tips
2014-10-11 05:14:17	PikaNoChu	personally, i would prefer a really nice looking and clear to use landing page
2014-10-11 05:14:20	Veyrdite	You may as well make them one wiki
2014-10-11 05:14:25	PikaNoChu	and shared logins between the forum and wiki
2014-10-11 05:14:26	cu-kai	are you planning on making a brand new website?
2014-10-11 05:14:28	ThatRudeMan	well if you see any project based sites, you need a github link
2014-10-11 05:14:33	ThatRudeMan	i am thinking like that
2014-10-11 05:14:35	Veyrdite	... then namespace anything that needs to be project-specific
2014-10-11 05:14:37	PikaNoChu	cu-kai: no, i'm not at least
2014-10-11 05:14:38	@DevHC	imp_: without the YouTube part
2014-10-11 05:14:39	ThatRudeMan	a complete makeover
2014-10-11 05:14:39	Swizaw	well a new organized website?
2014-10-11 05:14:48	newsource-0	hi anll
2014-10-11 05:14:57	@dGr8LookinSparky	hi newsource-0 :)
2014-10-11 05:14:59	@GlobalWarming	organized from zero
2014-10-11 05:15:00	PikaNoChu	well, i'm open to anything, as long as it proves succesful
2014-10-11 05:15:08	Veyrdite	Unvanq has wiki and forum logins shared for a long time, but we broke it
2014-10-11 05:15:17	ThatRudeMan	why did you break it?
2014-10-11 05:15:18	newsource-0	moment I'm connect fro PC, bb
2014-10-11 05:15:27	Veyrdite	Sixthly (aussieassault) promised a new site he never finished
2014-10-11 05:15:28	cu-kai	it's /m for pm on irc right?
2014-10-11 05:15:33	Veyrdite	Breakage was for a few reasons
2014-10-11 05:15:39	@theinvsblman	/msg [name]
2014-10-11 05:15:41	Veyrdite	1) Updates :D
2014-10-11 05:15:43	cu-kai	thanks
2014-10-11 05:15:45	Veyrdite	2) No one caring anymore
2014-10-11 05:15:56	Veyrdite	3) Domain name expiry shenaneggins
2014-10-11 05:16:10	Veyrdite	cu-kai:  or /q
2014-10-11 05:16:14	@dGr8LookinSparky	Veyrdite: what are you thinking in terms of handling the wiki?
2014-10-11 05:16:31	Swizaw	Or you can click one of the members in the right and it gives you an option to message
2014-10-11 05:16:31	ThatRudeMan	FOr domain name shaneggins, we could do a patrons type system
2014-10-11 05:16:36	cu-kai	thanks
2014-10-11 05:16:56	ThatRudeMan	I was thinking of other things as well
2014-10-11 05:16:58	Veyrdite	Please keep in mind I only represent a small portion of opinion from Unvanq :D
2014-10-11 05:16:59	ThatRudeMan	like blogs
2014-10-11 05:17:08	Veyrdite	Blogs can be done in a wiki
2014-10-11 05:17:10	ThatRudeMan	i Understand.
2014-10-11 05:17:14	Veyrdite	If you want rss, you can get plugins too
2014-10-11 05:17:21	Veyrdite	Re plans of a wiki
2014-10-11 05:17:23	ThatRudeMan	Blogs and wiki are not the same thing
2014-10-11 05:17:25	ThatRudeMan	Lol
2014-10-11 05:17:31	Veyrdite	Wiki is a method, not a construct
2014-10-11 05:17:36	Veyrdite	You can blog via wiki
2014-10-11 05:17:39	Veyrdite	You can write via wiki
2014-10-11 05:17:43	Veyrdite	You can wikipedia via wiki
2014-10-11 05:17:45	PikaNoChu	developer blogs like http://www.warsow.net/
2014-10-11 05:17:46	PikaNoChu	?
2014-10-11 05:17:47	Veyrdite	But you don't wiki by something
2014-10-11 05:17:48	@dGr8LookinSparky	but how do you propose "combining" acidtu.be's and unv's wiki?
2014-10-11 05:18:09	Veyrdite	Inevitably it would be manually.  How much content do you have on yours?
2014-10-11 05:18:30	Veyrdite	As a biased Unvanquished user I'd say we take the opportunity to make Unvanq the hub of everything :D
2014-10-11 05:18:40	ThatRudeMan	Hold on, wy do we need to combine both the wiki?
2014-10-11 05:18:51	Veyrdite	Considering the site is semi-broken and we want to move on, it's a good opportunity to try and push the idea of a combined site
2014-10-11 05:18:52	cu-kai	why combine a wiki for two totally different things?
2014-10-11 05:19:02	Veyrdite	A lot of the info is shared
2014-10-11 05:19:04	Veyrdite	Eg mapping guides
2014-10-11 05:19:05	Veyrdite	Tutorials
2014-10-11 05:19:10	Veyrdite	Very little is actually that different
2014-10-11 05:19:11	@dGr8LookinSparky	as I've mentioned we also have a hidden section on the wiki for writing the scripts for the acidtu.be web series
2014-10-11 05:19:12	Veyrdite	eg the filesystem
2014-10-11 05:19:17	PikaNoChu	i think the idea is to have a larger wiki with sections for each game and mod?
2014-10-11 05:19:35	Veyrdite	PikaNoChu: Just an idea at the moment
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2014-10-11 05:19:42	cu-kai	the filesystem is totally different on unv though?
2014-10-11 05:19:45	Veyrdite	It would not be as segmented as that
2014-10-11 05:19:45	PikaNoChu	or, having two wikis that can link to eachother in a way a single wiki does
2014-10-11 05:19:47	Veyrdite	cu-kai: Yes
2014-10-11 05:19:50	Veyrdite	We have a new system
2014-10-11 05:19:57	Veyrdite	https://www.unvanquished.net/wiki/index.php/Filesystem
2014-10-11 05:19:58	<--	TheOvermind has kicked Veyrdite (Channel Flood [3 lines in 2 sec!])
2014-10-11 05:20:01	--	ZdrytchX-Working is now known as ZdrytchX
2014-10-11 05:20:07	@ZdrytchX	back
2014-10-11 05:20:11	cu-kai	lol
2014-10-11 05:20:12	PikaNoChu	ouch
2014-10-11 05:20:12	@ZdrytchX	I see the overmind is doing his job :3
2014-10-11 05:20:13	@dGr8LookinSparky	yay :)
2014-10-11 05:20:14	ThatRudeMan	Cant we host the wiki on github, in order to make it look good and same domain money?
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2014-10-11 05:20:19	@TheOvermind	Oh, Hai! You. You are visitor #18
2014-10-11 05:20:19	@TheOvermind	Note that I will shut off around 19:00 GMT every night and cookies will be lost. At least until I can find out how to read and write files.
2014-10-11 05:20:19	@dGr8LookinSparky	hi ViruS :)
2014-10-11 05:20:23	PikaNoChu	ZdrytchX: please kick the overmind xD
2014-10-11 05:20:25	Veyrdite	Well that was fun!
2014-10-11 05:20:26	@ZdrytchX	ok
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2014-10-11 05:20:32	@ZdrytchX	done
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2014-10-11 05:20:34	Swizaw	hi virus
2014-10-11 05:20:35	PikaNoChu	yay
2014-10-11 05:20:38	Veyrdite	I was going to link to https://www.unvanquished.net/wiki/index.php/Filesystem
2014-10-11 05:20:42	NewSource	hi  im back :)
2014-10-11 05:20:42	Veyrdite	... but that's tangential
2014-10-11 05:20:43	PikaNoChu	*and there was much rejoycing*
2014-10-11 05:20:58	@dGr8LookinSparky	wb NewSource :)
2014-10-11 05:20:58	@ZdrytchX	wait waht
2014-10-11 05:20:59	NewSource	main trem developer here?
2014-10-11 05:21:00	@ZdrytchX	DevHC is here
2014-10-11 05:21:07	@DevHC	ZdrytchX: OPz !
2014-10-11 05:21:10	Swizaw	he is
2014-10-11 05:21:11	@ZdrytchX	where the hell have you been
2014-10-11 05:21:13	PikaNoChu	opz him
2014-10-11 05:21:17	Veyrdite	Beside the merging idea, I think one of our biggest issues is dead sites that we cannot change
2014-10-11 05:21:20	@ZdrytchX	oh btw I did the short intro of your thrust remix dev
2014-10-11 05:21:20	NewSource	DevHC u lead tremulous developer? im right?
2014-10-11 05:21:24	Veyrdite	That's probably more important and more worth considering
2014-10-11 05:21:32	PikaNoChu	lead?
2014-10-11 05:21:36	ThatRudeMan	See, i am a web developer. I am thinking just in terms of attracting more visitors
2014-10-11 05:21:38	Veyrdite	Things like the front-page of tremulous.net
2014-10-11 05:21:41	@DevHC	NewSource: ROFL, yes i do, and i'm doing nothing
2014-10-11 05:21:44	NewSource	sorry my  english, sec im use translate google
2014-10-11 05:21:48	@ZdrytchX	guys I'll be right back, restarting computer
2014-10-11 05:21:52	@ZdrytchX	my ports are half broken
2014-10-11 05:21:53	Veyrdite	Ok
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2014-10-11 05:21:54	@DevHC	ZdrytchX: was busy, and i'm still busy
2014-10-11 05:22:29	ThatRudeMan	SO, i guess we are in a deadlock
2014-10-11 05:22:37	NewSource	Here is the main developer of the tremulous?  I just want to discuss the subject with him the tremulous on android
2014-10-11 05:22:45	cu-ams	when merging things.. you might also want to consider the possibility that the merged-to site becomes a dead site in the future
2014-10-11 05:22:46	@dGr8LookinSparky	a deadlock on what?
2014-10-11 05:22:50	PikaNoChu	well, I think we might need to rephrase the 'problem' no ?
2014-10-11 05:22:52	Veyrdite	NewSource: It's not that simple
2014-10-11 05:22:55	cu-ams	however unlikely it is.. it'd be *bad*
2014-10-11 05:23:03	@theinvsblman	first of all, what is the ultimate goal we want to achieve?
2014-10-11 05:23:06	cu-kai	tremulous on android would be bad
2014-10-11 05:23:07	Veyrdite	NewSource: Tremulous has mostly been a dead project for a while
2014-10-11 05:23:18	Veyrdite	There is no 'main developer'
2014-10-11 05:23:23	NewSource	Yeah, but I was able to run on Android version 1.0.
2014-10-11 05:23:25	Veyrdite	Lots of people contributed to it to make it
2014-10-11 05:23:26	NewSource	ok
2014-10-11 05:23:57	cu-ams	i think the one major problem we're all dealing with is the lack of players
2014-10-11 05:24:05	Veyrdite	Hmm
2014-10-11 05:24:12	Veyrdite	Unvanq is happy with the status quo on that
2014-10-11 05:24:25	Veyrdite	The general opinion is save it all till we announce 'beta'
2014-10-11 05:24:27	cu-ams	esp lack of new players - to which the dead tremulous.net site + ages old/buggy client provided there contribute quite a bit
2014-10-11 05:24:31	PikaNoChu	yeah, lack of players hits it on the head
2014-10-11 05:24:33	ThatRudeMan	Unvanq just needs some marketing
2014-10-11 05:24:36	@dGr8LookinSparky	Unv seems to have less active players than gpp
2014-10-11 05:24:42	Veyrdite	Yes we have less active players
2014-10-11 05:24:45	PikaNoChu	so the question would be, why is there a lack of players?
2014-10-11 05:24:48	Swizaw	We should make players first of all NOT leave trem before actually getting more players
2014-10-11 05:24:48	Veyrdite	More would be welcome though
2014-10-11 05:24:56	@theinvsblman	gpp lacks players because it's not fun
2014-10-11 05:25:04	Veyrdite	In Unvanq's case we have not made any efforts to attract new ones and our game has a high entry barrier
2014-10-11 05:25:14	Veyrdite	Our monthly releases break, etc
2014-10-11 05:25:24	@theinvsblman	even if i manage to get new people to play gpp, they quit shortly afterwards
2014-10-11 05:25:27	PikaNoChu	theinvsblman: that seems quite subjective
2014-10-11 05:25:36	ThatRudeMan	Is it possible to get Unv on xbox and ps?
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2014-10-11 05:25:43	PikaNoChu	hehe
2014-10-11 05:25:47	Swizaw	Why do they quit after such a short time then?
2014-10-11 05:25:47	@DevHC	ZdrytchX: i was busy, and i'm still busy
2014-10-11 05:25:47	@theinvsblman	probably not
2014-10-11 05:25:50	Veyrdite	No chance in hell for PS
2014-10-11 05:26:01	@ZdrytchX	still starting up...
2014-10-11 05:26:02	NewSource	Ok, But developers tremulous could unite with the developers and the open arena together to create a version tremulous for android
2014-10-11 05:26:03	Veyrdite	PS will not have enough grunt unless we re-code for the bajillion smaller cores
2014-10-11 05:26:05	NewSource	ams hi
2014-10-11 05:26:06	PikaNoChu	well, there is steam greenlight, but i have no knowledge about how that's supposed to work
2014-10-11 05:26:09	@dGr8LookinSparky	well once players try gpp, the problem with keeping them I think is the steep learning curve
2014-10-11 05:26:12	Veyrdite	Also would require dev-licences and kits
2014-10-11 05:26:14	@theinvsblman	yesterday my friend was playing on edge
2014-10-11 05:26:15	cu-kai	a lot of the current community (players like grmg, darkmicrobe, magic unicorn) refuse to help new players
2014-10-11 05:26:18	cu-kai	or they just troll
2014-10-11 05:26:18	@theinvsblman	but it was yet another of these huge campfests
2014-10-11 05:26:21	cu-kai	so they leave
2014-10-11 05:26:29	cu-ams	hi NewSource :)
2014-10-11 05:26:36	Swizaw	ams that was creepy
2014-10-11 05:26:36	@theinvsblman	so right now his opinion of gpp is "bullshit"
2014-10-11 05:26:38	cu-kai	tremulous is always going to be campy
2014-10-11 05:26:39	Veyrdite	I need to point out something before we continue any more 'revive Tremulous' trains of thought
2014-10-11 05:26:43	cu-kai	especially with the bp capabilities
2014-10-11 05:26:58	cu-kai	there's one gpp server which i'm running, with the default bp count
2014-10-11 05:27:00	PikaNoChu	the ubp/high bp playstyle = campfest
2014-10-11 05:27:02	Veyrdite	Trem contains a lot of art assets with unknown authorship -> licencing is very sketchy
2014-10-11 05:27:06	Swizaw	Tremulous is a high skilled cap easy to learn hard to master game but when so many people left and only veteran players play it makes it hard for new players.
2014-10-11 05:27:08	NewSource	kai
2014-10-11 05:27:08	PikaNoChu	i don't see a way around that to be honest
2014-10-11 05:27:10	cu-kai	but its in the US and doesn't really give a good ping to the active player count
2014-10-11 05:27:12	Veyrdite	One of the goals of Unvanq is to replace everything so there is no legal issues
2014-10-11 05:27:35	ThatRudeMan	Whats the name of the engine that you guys are using?
2014-10-11 05:27:39	Veyrdite	Unvanq has bots by default
2014-10-11 05:27:43	cu-kai	unv is demon right?
2014-10-11 05:27:43	Veyrdite	We call it 'daemon'
2014-10-11 05:27:44	@theinvsblman	unvanquished uses daemon
2014-10-11 05:27:49	NewSource	em
2014-10-11 05:28:05	Veyrdite	https://wiki.unvanquished.net/index.php?title=Engine
2014-10-11 05:28:14	@ZdrytchX	lol I called it demon too, but spelt daemon, which is some type of demon i believe
2014-10-11 05:28:18	cu-ams	Swizaw: thats so true.. especially as you also need to tweak the client to take advantage of all the bugs
2014-10-11 05:28:24	NewSource	Unv is  in engine based on specific version id tech 3 what support md5 and etc/...
2014-10-11 05:28:53	Veyrdite	Our engine's history is a little more complex than that. See the diagram in my last link
2014-10-11 05:28:57	@GlobalWarming	can the new assets be ported to tremulous, so there is no problem with the license?
2014-10-11 05:29:03	NewSource	Oh openwolf...remembered
2014-10-11 05:29:03	Veyrdite	It's only approximate.  We've merged in some code from other places too
2014-10-11 05:29:15	Veyrdite	GlobalWarming: No, for two completely different reasons
2014-10-11 05:29:24	@theinvsblman	i think that backporting from unvanquished is a bad way to go
2014-10-11 05:29:25	Swizaw	Exactly..what about making a server 1.1 has called the 'Wrath newbie training server'?Could give it a shot
2014-10-11 05:29:27	cu-kai	bad spelling
2014-10-11 05:29:27	Veyrdite	(1) Technical.  Our new models are mostly in iqm format, which is newer
2014-10-11 05:29:28	cu-kai	meh
2014-10-11 05:29:31	ThatRudeMan	So if we need to make Unv or trem a long terms project, we need some-engine that is not based on quake.
2014-10-11 05:29:34	@theinvsblman	what we should do is to get players play unvanquished
2014-10-11 05:29:40	Veyrdite	(2) Why would you want to do that?  You might as well just use Unvanquished in the first place
2014-10-11 05:29:43	PikaNoChu	as for player counts, perhaps we should think in 3 tiers: 1. attracting newbies 2. keeping them 3. keeping the core playerbase happy
2014-10-11 05:29:47	ThatRudeMan	I understand that its not posiible
2014-10-11 05:29:54	Swizaw	+1 pikachu
2014-10-11 05:30:00	Swizaw	Players leave and new players can't fit in
2014-10-11 05:30:03	@theinvsblman	id tech 3 is fine
2014-10-11 05:30:23	imp_	i think that video that would be advertised on the server , that would explain everting about trem in like 20 mins would make ppl stick to trem more
2014-10-11 05:30:36	imp_	coz its just too hard for noobs
2014-10-11 05:30:36	ThatRudeMan	but engines like Unity, which is free to use and publish and export ur games to other platforms as well
2014-10-11 05:30:40	ThatRudeMan	that makes it easy
2014-10-11 05:30:46	ThatRudeMan	i might sound stupid
2014-10-11 05:30:49	cu-ams	the biggest issue regarding tremulous mods at least is the amount of work it takes / there's practically nothing that can be reused
2014-10-11 05:30:51	PikaNoChu	the thing is those engines are not FOSS
2014-10-11 05:30:53	Veyrdite	Showing a video on the front pages would also be useful
2014-10-11 05:30:58	@theinvsblman	q3 is far superior to unity to be honest
2014-10-11 05:31:05	NewSource	I noticed that many of map in Unv have a strange texture format, this launch maps from unvanquished possible in trem, but the texture will not be displayed
2014-10-11 05:31:07	@theinvsblman	i've never seen a stable and fast unity game
2014-10-11 05:31:10	@ZdrytchX	Swizaw the Wrath Newbie Training server wasn't very newbie friendly honestly
2014-10-11 05:31:15	@theinvsblman	and i've never seen a buggy and slow idtech 3 game
2014-10-11 05:31:18	@ZdrytchX	it was lagged as well (althoguh supported unlagged)
2014-10-11 05:31:26	@ZdrytchX	which made it worse for those with higher pings
2014-10-11 05:31:30	@GlobalWarming	So which way we should go: try to keep tremulous as long as possible or try to "force" people to move to Unvanquished?
2014-10-11 05:31:30	cu-kai	lol "stable fast unity"
2014-10-11 05:31:37	cu-kai	3 words which should never be used in the same sentence
2014-10-11 05:31:43	cu-kai	go have a look at rust
2014-10-11 05:31:47	cu-kai	tell me if thats stable or fast
2014-10-11 05:31:56	NewSource	em kai
2014-10-11 05:31:56	@theinvsblman	rust is fast compared to starforge :P
2014-10-11 05:32:07	cu-kai	nonetheless
2014-10-11 05:32:13	cu-kai	its still garbage
2014-10-11 05:32:16	@theinvsblman	yeah
2014-10-11 05:32:18	@dGr8LookinSparky	kharnov was telling me that Unv is working on making the porting of mods like from trem not so difficult so to speak?
2014-10-11 05:32:36	Veyrdite	That's an impossible question to answer
2014-10-11 05:32:37	@theinvsblman	overall point is: moving to a different engine would take years
2014-10-11 05:32:39	Veyrdite	It depends on the mod
2014-10-11 05:32:40	Swizaw	Zdrytch:It was newb friendly imo.Advanced players would get 'stripped' = limited to a certain number of weapons,bots weren't that difficult and they had /cpa giving pretty useful tips.
2014-10-11 05:32:41	@theinvsblman	and wouldn't change shit
2014-10-11 05:32:43	PikaNoChu	well, I have to say, I think Unv also has a bit of an identity crisis... on one hand it's clearly a trem successor, on the other it tries being it's own game. It seems too much of the latter for Trem players to move over to vanilla Unv at least. I think.
2014-10-11 05:32:46	@theinvsblman	at best we'd get what we have right now
2014-10-11 05:33:12	@GlobalWarming	but Kharnov is not a developer (sorry), so "porting" existing mods into Unv means to code everything from zero. The advantage is that it may be easier than creating a new mod for Trem.
2014-10-11 05:33:13	cu-kai	because unv is in alpha
2014-10-11 05:33:23	cu-kai	also
2014-10-11 05:33:34	Veyrdite	It won't neccesarily be a complete recode.  It depends on what the mod changed
2014-10-11 05:33:38	cu-kai	a lot of trem users are on bad hw so to speak
2014-10-11 05:33:41	@ZdrytchX	honestly I had planned on porting the old KoRx mod to unvanquished
2014-10-11 05:33:51	@ZdrytchX	by re-writing the code logically
2014-10-11 05:33:52	ThatRudeMan	When is the gold date for Unv ?
2014-10-11 05:34:05	Veyrdite	I don't think we have one
2014-10-11 05:34:07	NewSource	I have an idea to start the server Trem with models of buildings and players from unvanquished ..... Is it possible?
2014-10-11 05:34:07	@theinvsblman	unv is predicted to reach beta in a year or so
2014-10-11 05:34:08	Veyrdite	We have some goals for beta
2014-10-11 05:34:12	@ZdrytchX	I wouldn't be able to duplicate everything i.e. ui, but I can give it my best shot to emulate
2014-10-11 05:34:22	Veyrdite	... but our development speed varies depending on who is available at what times
2014-10-11 05:34:40	@theinvsblman	NewSource, it's not possible
2014-10-11 05:34:41	PikaNoChu	NewSource: the model format is different, possible, but not without roadblocks i think
2014-10-11 05:34:50	NewSource	oh ok
2014-10-11 05:35:07	PikaNoChu	well, it would be doable but just more work than it's worth
2014-10-11 05:35:16	Veyrdite	Trem and Unvanq gameplay is not that different, and we're working on improving the performance :)
2014-10-11 05:35:21	@dGr8LookinSparky	what about this idea: http://vote.acidtu.be/?view=9
2014-10-11 05:35:23	Veyrdite	There is really not much point back-porting the models
2014-10-11 05:35:56	Veyrdite	hmm
2014-10-11 05:35:56	NewSource	i think what Unvanquished has the same format maps, and trem, but again, the texture ...
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2014-10-11 05:36:01	@theinvsblman	unv is already planning a launcher
2014-10-11 05:36:03	Veyrdite	That feels like a 'tack on fix'
2014-10-11 05:36:11	@Shadow`	omg ppl actually came
2014-10-11 05:36:11	Veyrdite	It would be better to fix the original sites to properly host gpp and trem
2014-10-11 05:36:12	@theinvsblman	which might include gpp and 1.1
2014-10-11 05:36:13	@GlobalWarming	one point can be that we remove that limitation with the license and can then be included again in Ubuntu/Mint repositories
2014-10-11 05:36:26	@GlobalWarming	which may bring new people to the game
2014-10-11 05:36:27	@Shadow`	even sparky is here during daytime
2014-10-11 05:36:28	NewSource	emm
2014-10-11 05:36:31	Veyrdite	GlobalWarming: We're still technically in shady waters ourselves
2014-10-11 05:36:33	@GlobalWarming	I think it may be worthy
2014-10-11 05:36:36	Veyrdite	We have not replaced the sounds yet
2014-10-11 05:36:42	Veyrdite	... but the models are almost there
2014-10-11 05:36:43	PikaNoChu	dGr8LookinSparky: i think a landing page would be more useful than a launcher, it would pretty much serve the same usage with lower barrier to entry
2014-10-11 05:36:52	NewSource	hmm im alone think what for Unv do not wortk cmds g_alienbuildpoints, g_humanbuildpoints...
2014-10-11 05:36:55	Veyrdite	Replacing all of the assets is a beta goal, partly to avoid all potential licensing issues
2014-10-11 05:37:09	@Shadow`	landing page would work if tremulous/unv would support launching from the browser
2014-10-11 05:37:12	@Shadow`	which they dont
2014-10-11 05:37:13	Swizaw	SO WHAT do we want to do right now?What is the main goal*
2014-10-11 05:37:15	Veyrdite	NewSource: I do not understand, sorry :(
2014-10-11 05:37:31	Veyrdite	NewSource: We changed some of the gameplay, so the cvars probably changed too
2014-10-11 05:37:39	ThatRudeMan	Anyways, let me know if gouys want me to work on the site. I think i should be able to take out 10 hours a week on this
2014-10-11 05:37:43	@theinvsblman	imo we should support unvanquished as much as we can, since it has a lot of potential (1.1/gpp)
2014-10-11 05:37:50	@theinvsblman	unlike 1.1/gpp*
2014-10-11 05:37:55	cu-kai	itd be nice to do that
2014-10-11 05:37:56	NewSource	ok
2014-10-11 05:37:58	cu-kai	but its alpha, as said before
2014-10-11 05:38:06	Veyrdite	Alpha is not as scary as it sounds
2014-10-11 05:38:07	cu-kai	and has far higher hw requirements than gpp
2014-10-11 05:38:08	@Shadow`	and tremulous is dead
2014-10-11 05:38:11	Veyrdite	It just means things are changing :D
2014-10-11 05:38:13	cu-kai	yeah
2014-10-11 05:38:13	Swizaw	Yeah but unvanquished can have a lot of potential but it requires good HW and has no player base at all.
2014-10-11 05:38:13	@theinvsblman	yes, it would be nice to keep gpp players until beta is ready
2014-10-11 05:38:14	cu-kai	i know
2014-10-11 05:38:15	@GlobalWarming	We can launch the games from the browser in several ways...
2014-10-11 05:38:17	PikaNoChu	ThatRudeMan: well, I would like to help out with the design at least, GlobalWarming is also a web dev, so that would give us some manpower in that area
2014-10-11 05:38:23	cu-kai	but if we port mods to a constnatly changing alpha version of a game things are doomed to break
2014-10-11 05:38:25	@Shadow`	tremulous has some heavy requirements, not sure what 486 ur using
2014-10-11 05:38:26	Veyrdite	The requirements are not a game-breaker for most computers
2014-10-11 05:38:28	NewSource	@shadow, tremulous don died
2014-10-11 05:38:32	NewSource	dont*
2014-10-11 05:38:39	cu-kai	hardly shadow, but some people don't even get 100fps on trem
2014-10-11 05:38:40	@theinvsblman	also, unvanquished doesn't have amny players, so we could use gpp for gameplay testing
2014-10-11 05:38:41	cu-kai	(swizaw)
2014-10-11 05:38:42	@Shadow`	but its a few dozen times more heavier than the q3 it originates from
2014-10-11 05:38:52	Swizaw	:/
2014-10-11 05:38:56	ThatRudeMan	DO u guys want to know what i think?
2014-10-11 05:39:00	@Shadow`	and tremulous did die
2014-10-11 05:39:09	@Shadow`	have u seen any development on it the last few years?
2014-10-11 05:39:13	PikaNoChu	i would call tremulous 'undead' at the moment
2014-10-11 05:39:15	@Shadow`	player numbers have been dwingling slowly
2014-10-11 05:39:19	ThatRudeMan	first step would be to complete the site
2014-10-11 05:39:26	Veyrdite	Which site?
2014-10-11 05:39:27	cu-kai	ams regularly develops the new-edge mod
2014-10-11 05:39:28	Swizaw	Tremulous is what we call in the unknown state,we can revive it or we can let it die.
2014-10-11 05:39:30	cu-kai	and it has players every day
2014-10-11 05:39:33	cu-kai	i'm not sure what planet you're on
2014-10-11 05:39:33	ThatRudeMan	second any game related code thats pending
2014-10-11 05:39:35	cu-ams	Shadow`: basically you need an i7 to run trem properly
2014-10-11 05:39:37	@ZdrytchX	guys if you want to reply to someone specifically by using their name in this channel type the first few letters of their nickname and press tab. That way you can get the exact username and their client will "bleep" with the message
2014-10-11 05:39:37	NewSource	Yes, right now in this game are very few players, but I am creating a version for android returns Tremulous to a lot of players
2014-10-11 05:39:38	PikaNoChu	let's talk about a hypothetical site atm
2014-10-11 05:39:39	cu-ams	otherwise you cant get 333 fps <-> no can do
2014-10-11 05:39:56	NewSource	oh  my  englishsorry
2014-10-11 05:39:58	ThatRudeMan	Site as in the wiki merge and other stuff
2014-10-11 05:40:01	Veyrdite	How about we both revive and let Tremulous die, the proper way for each.
2014-10-11 05:40:03	@theinvsblman	gpp is losing players constantly
2014-10-11 05:40:04	@Shadow`	heh, stupid q3 engine and FPS being important
2014-10-11 05:40:09	cu-kai	yeah
2014-10-11 05:40:15	cu-kai	thats a problem we're trying to fix in edge
2014-10-11 05:40:16	@Shadow`	icba to play trem anymore
2014-10-11 05:40:17	@theinvsblman	in a year even edge will be empty
2014-10-11 05:40:17	Veyrdite	If we fix up the main tremulous.net site to say that it's dead, BUT provide proper working downloads for the game, that should be good
2014-10-11 05:40:18	@GlobalWarming	all web developers please PM here, so we can talk about the details later
2014-10-11 05:40:19	ThatRudeMan	I want to go with unv
2014-10-11 05:40:23	@Shadow`	its the same bunch of people every fucking time
2014-10-11 05:40:25	@Shadow`	the same gameplay
2014-10-11 05:40:28	@Shadow`	the same boredom
2014-10-11 05:40:31	PikaNoChu	GlobalWarming: alright
2014-10-11 05:40:32	NewSource	Yes, right now in this game are very few players, but I'm sure if you create a version for android, it returns Tremulous to a lot of players*
2014-10-11 05:40:32	ThatRudeMan	since its a new game and with new tech
2014-10-11 05:40:39	@ZdrytchX	lol Shadow`
2014-10-11 05:40:46	cu-kai	meisseli with his super-powerful PC and constant 333fps on his mara etc
2014-10-11 05:40:50	cu-kai	same old crap, you are right there shadow
2014-10-11 05:40:52	@ZdrytchX	but the problem with oleaving the community is you feel NOSTALGIC and want to return
2014-10-11 05:40:54	@Shadow`	meiss = hax
2014-10-11 05:40:55	Veyrdite	Android players would get frustrated fast.  The input method is not good enough
2014-10-11 05:41:00	@Shadow`	if u dont know that by now, ur a fucking idiot
2014-10-11 05:41:06	cu-kai	well he doesnt play any more
2014-10-11 05:41:11	ThatRudeMan	BUt most important, in order to attract more people, we need to have some marketing strategy
2014-10-11 05:41:14	@theinvsblman	edge has the potential to reinvent trem gameplay and make gpp not suck balls
2014-10-11 05:41:17	cu-kai	ams made him rq by adding 5 stages to edge mod
2014-10-11 05:41:23	@Shadow`	good
2014-10-11 05:41:23	cu-ams	theinvsblman: were working to prevent that
2014-10-11 05:41:24	cu-kai	so instead of md at s1... its md at s3
2014-10-11 05:41:26	PikaNoChu	NewSource: android? how would you play an fps on a touch screen? or am i misunderstanding?
2014-10-11 05:41:28	cu-kai	rant/etc at s5
2014-10-11 05:41:29	@Shadow`	cause besides being a good player who hacks
2014-10-11 05:41:32	@Shadow`	he's a total fucktard
2014-10-11 05:41:37	@ZdrytchX	Shadow` meis was a good guy though :S
2014-10-11 05:41:37	Veyrdite	Can we conclude that we want to at least fix the Tremulous site to (1) Have working download links and (2) Have some links to other Trem-derived projects like Unvanq and trem mods?
2014-10-11 05:41:40	NewSource	im oin  android have 40-60 fps
2014-10-11 05:41:43	cu-kai	meis was a troll
2014-10-11 05:41:47	@ZdrytchX	my fucking awesome 1.1 HUD was based off his
2014-10-11 05:41:47	@Shadow`	ye meiss can play the game properly enough
2014-10-11 05:41:48	cu-ams	but once it happens.. im prepared to say good bye to trem from that moment onwards
2014-10-11 05:41:50	Swizaw	Shadow`: I don't know why u think he hacks..i have personally won meisseli in a 1.1 he doesn't hack people just overrate him..he plays good he's just an idiot sometimes on purpose and acts all cocky.
2014-10-11 05:41:51	@Shadow`	yet he still hacks
2014-10-11 05:41:53	@Shadow`	thats just sad
2014-10-11 05:41:58	NewSource	watch video, http://vk.com/tremulous_russian?z=video-57295535_170058295%2Fec50822926267ae75e
2014-10-11 05:42:04	@Shadow`	Swizaw he often plays without
2014-10-11 05:42:08	@Shadow`	but to often plays with
2014-10-11 05:42:11	@ZdrytchX	Shadow` when you say hacks you mean like aimbot or legit hacks
2014-10-11 05:42:14	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite: F1
2014-10-11 05:42:14	NewSource	so pikanochu
2014-10-11 05:42:16	@Shadow`	aimbot/wh
2014-10-11 05:42:18	@Shadow`	mainly wh
2014-10-11 05:42:19	@ZdrytchX	he's never aimbotted when I've seen him around
2014-10-11 05:42:24	@ZdrytchX	wh?
2014-10-11 05:42:29	@Shadow`	then you dont know how an aimbot
2014-10-11 05:42:31	@Shadow`	or rather
2014-10-11 05:42:32	@Shadow`	triggerbot
2014-10-11 05:42:33	PikaNoChu	ThatRudeMan: F1 for developing a marketing strategy
2014-10-11 05:42:33	@Shadow`	works
2014-10-11 05:42:36	@Shadow`	get one
2014-10-11 05:42:39	@ZdrytchX	I'I know how they work
2014-10-11 05:42:41	Swizaw	Shadow`:I don't believe that,he has played for the same numbers of years as me and I'm not really that 'far' from him on what it comes to skill
2014-10-11 05:42:42	ThatRudeMan	F1
2014-10-11 05:42:42	@ZdrytchX	I've experienced them
2014-10-11 05:42:48	PikaNoChu	heh, this chat is moving to fast for me :D
2014-10-11 05:42:49	@ZdrytchX	particularly nulli"cry"
2014-10-11 05:42:50	@Shadow`	sure
2014-10-11 05:42:55	@ZdrytchX	it's a horrible thing
2014-10-11 05:42:59	@Shadow`	then you are a fucking idiot Swizaw
2014-10-11 05:43:01	Swizaw	Shadow`:Meisseli is a pretty cold person sometimes but i doubt he aimbots
2014-10-11 05:43:22	NewSource	I also think on the run tremulous Nokia N95 8GB (it supports Quake 3)
2014-10-11 05:43:23	cu-ams	yeah.. meis doesn't aimbot
2014-10-11 05:43:27	cu-ams	but we're drifting from the topic
2014-10-11 05:43:27	@theinvsblman	can we drop the meisseli thread? it seems irrelevant
2014-10-11 05:43:31	@ZdrytchX	guys don't abuse each other too much here
2014-10-11 05:43:33	@Shadow`	get the tremulous 1.1 triggerbot from MPC forums
2014-10-11 05:43:33	PikaNoChu	NewSource: i'm watching the vid
2014-10-11 05:43:37	@Shadow`	play with it a few rounds on 1.1
2014-10-11 05:43:39	@ZdrytchX	"OBEY RULEZ"
2014-10-11 05:43:43	Swizaw	I thought no swearing etc and i get raged at for saying meisseli doesn't aimbot
2014-10-11 05:43:45	Swizaw	lol.
2014-10-11 05:43:48	@Shadow`	you'll start seeing who aimbots and who doesnt
2014-10-11 05:43:49	ThatRudeMan	@Veyrdite : what kind of marketing strategy did you guys have for Unv ?
2014-10-11 05:43:53	NewSource	so pikachu u likemy idea?
2014-10-11 05:43:59	@theinvsblman	the problem with marketing is
2014-10-11 05:44:02	@GlobalWarming	F1
2014-10-11 05:44:02	@theinvsblman	it's too early for unvanquished
2014-10-11 05:44:12	@theinvsblman	kharnov said he doesn't want to attract too much attention to unv right now
2014-10-11 05:44:12	Veyrdite	ThatRudeMan: I'm not sure what we plan to do for Beta
2014-10-11 05:44:15	@theinvsblman	as it's too buggy
2014-10-11 05:44:17	Veyrdite	Yes
2014-10-11 05:44:29	@Shadow`	hahaha
2014-10-11 05:44:35	@theinvsblman	and gpp is not fun at all (at the moment)
2014-10-11 05:44:37	@Shadow`	sure ams, he doesnt
2014-10-11 05:44:38	@theinvsblman	so there's nothing to market there
2014-10-11 05:44:43	Veyrdite	I still think kharnov needs to be more flexible on that -- more players would be good, even against bugs
2014-10-11 05:44:44	@ZdrytchX	theinvsblman he said that?
2014-10-11 05:44:47	Veyrdite	Yes
2014-10-11 05:44:51	Veyrdite	He has said that a few times
2014-10-11 05:44:58	@ZdrytchX	i agree with Veyrdite
2014-10-11 05:45:02	ThatRudeMan	well if its buggy, i would say keep it away from people
2014-10-11 05:45:02	@theinvsblman	he wants marketting to start when beta is released
2014-10-11 05:45:04	@DevHC	let's talk about psychological and productional effects of various personalities
2014-10-11 05:45:05	Swizaw	Meh 1.2 isn't fun most of times because people just rage on everything someone does
2014-10-11 05:45:05	@theinvsblman	and the game is fully playable
2014-10-11 05:45:13	Veyrdite	theinvsblman: It depends on how buggy it is
2014-10-11 05:45:14	cu-ams	more players would likely help weed out the bugs too
2014-10-11 05:45:15	ThatRudeMan	negative views will cause the game the fail
2014-10-11 05:45:18	@ZdrytchX	Swizaw that's generalisation
2014-10-11 05:45:20	@DevHC	IDEA: let's ban kharnov-like people (at least from being spokespeople)
2014-10-11 05:45:22	@Shadow`	Swizaw: thats because its the same 30 people that play GPP every single day
2014-10-11 05:45:23	Veyrdite	The worst we have is graphical glitches ATM
2014-10-11 05:45:25	@DevHC	Veyrdite: how's that? nwhahaha
2014-10-11 05:45:26	@ZdrytchX	I've probably plyed both more than you have
2014-10-11 05:45:26	@Shadow`	for the past 2-3 years
2014-10-11 05:45:29	@ZdrytchX	and I disagree
2014-10-11 05:45:39	@ZdrytchX	the community is both just as disrespectful and respectful
2014-10-11 05:45:44	ThatRudeMan	Are the developers acting as QAs for UNv ?
2014-10-11 05:45:56	 *	ZdrytchX has no idea
2014-10-11 05:45:58	Swizaw	The community is intolerant to new players or newbies.
2014-10-11 05:46:05	Swizaw	Which is both bad and sad.
2014-10-11 05:46:06	@ZdrytchX	rather Swizaw
2014-10-11 05:46:06	@Shadow`	so is the game
2014-10-11 05:46:08	Veyrdite	Swizaw: which ones?
2014-10-11 05:46:12	@Shadow`	tremulous is ruthless to newbies
2014-10-11 05:46:13	@ZdrytchX	I think the game is too much of a "slippery slope"
2014-10-11 05:46:17	@dGr8LookinSparky	before we continue..
2014-10-11 05:46:21	cu-kai	swizaw: you're right
2014-10-11 05:46:21	@Shadow`	everyone playing has like a decade of experience
2014-10-11 05:46:23	cu-kai	and thats what i said erlier
2014-10-11 05:46:24	@Shadow`	then new people come in
2014-10-11 05:46:26	@Shadow`	die only
2014-10-11 05:46:29	@Shadow`	get flamed for feeding
2014-10-11 05:46:30	cu-kai	shadow: precisely
2014-10-11 05:46:32	@Shadow`	or even kicked
2014-10-11 05:46:33	PikaNoChu	NewSource: actually i do like the idea... do you intend to be able to mix PC and android players?
2014-10-11 05:46:33	Swizaw	I haven't played unvanquished but from what I'm able to gather everyone rages at newbies and they don't have a chance.
2014-10-11 05:46:34	cu-kai	i've said this to everyone so many times before
2014-10-11 05:46:34	 *	Shadow` caughs ams
2014-10-11 05:46:37	@dGr8LookinSparky	what have we concluded so far? there is so much going on in these conversations
2014-10-11 05:46:39	@ZdrytchX	Swizaw when I say "slippery slope" - hard to learn the game, once you are good, you can be better more easily
2014-10-11 05:46:42	@theinvsblman	denybuilding newbies is a problem on edge
2014-10-11 05:46:57	Swizaw	ZdrytchX:It's what i said,easy to learn hard to master.
2014-10-11 05:46:57	cu-kai	it's a problem on edge because newbies are unwilling to listen
2014-10-11 05:47:00	@ZdrytchX	Swizaw if we look at quake 3 challenge promode arena
2014-10-11 05:47:03	@theinvsblman	my newb friend joins the game, spawns as a ckit and gets flamed immediately
2014-10-11 05:47:05	ThatRudeMan	#sparky, i think we need to concentrate mor eon the development process
2014-10-11 05:47:09	@ZdrytchX	it is easy to learn AND hard to be proffesion al at
2014-10-11 05:47:21	@ZdrytchX	tremulous on the other hand is the opposite, in most scenarios
2014-10-11 05:47:22	@Shadow`	unwilling to listen, or eastern europeans who dont speak any english...
2014-10-11 05:47:25	ThatRudeMan	infact a proper way of doing it
2014-10-11 05:47:27	NewSource	By the way, I noticed that run Tremulous 1.1 as a mod of a open arena is not possible, since openarena and Quake 3 are qagame.qvm file and tremulous game .qvm
2014-10-11 05:47:30	@theinvsblman	yes, we should definitely head toward q3-like gameplay
2014-10-11 05:47:37	@ZdrytchX	after you've achieved the two the only real thing you have to be good at is to defeat another player of your level or higher
2014-10-11 05:48:04	Swizaw	People should actually try to play better instead of whining about others who play better than them
2014-10-11 05:48:15	NewSource	фьы
2014-10-11 05:48:15	@dGr8LookinSparky	any thoughts on http://vote.acidtu.be/?view=8
2014-10-11 05:48:16	NewSource	ams
2014-10-11 05:48:17	Veyrdite	We've drifted somewhat off-topic now :)
2014-10-11 05:48:21	@Shadow`	ye but its a game, people play games to WIN!?!?!?!
2014-10-11 05:48:25	@Shadow`	instead of playing it for having fun
2014-10-11 05:48:26	Veyrdite	Thanks dGr8LookinSparky :D
2014-10-11 05:48:31	@ZdrytchX	ThatRudeMan if you want to refer to someone type the first few letters of their name (i.e. "dgr" and press tab for autocomplete, and sparky will get your message highlighted in his chat)
2014-10-11 05:48:36	@theinvsblman	a game should be both competitive and fun at the same time
2014-10-11 05:48:39	Veyrdite	On this point: a resounding "this is a bad solution"
2014-10-11 05:48:46	Swizaw	theinvsblman:Exactly.
2014-10-11 05:48:50	Veyrdite	There should not be two versions of Unvanq
2014-10-11 05:48:50	@theinvsblman	edge has the problem of cheap kills
2014-10-11 05:48:56	@theinvsblman	e.g. mines, insta-kill trample and such
2014-10-11 05:48:56	Veyrdite	Please read the forum post I made on it
2014-10-11 05:49:01	ThatRudeMan	thank ZdrytchX
2014-10-11 05:49:03	Veyrdite	http://forum.acidtu.be/viewtopic.php?id=565
2014-10-11 05:49:06	cu-ams	Swizaw: that's so true :)
2014-10-11 05:49:10	cu-kai	yeah
2014-10-11 05:49:15	cu-kai	cheap kills is a problem on edge
2014-10-11 05:49:19	@DevHC	topic 1: ban kharnov. topic 2: the gamelogic is hard to learn for new players.
2014-10-11 05:49:21	@DevHC	Veyrdite: pretty on-topic
2014-10-11 05:49:23	Veyrdite	Sorry, one link
2014-10-11 05:49:25	NewSource	I believe it is necessary to return to the s3 edge, as many players do not like s5
2014-10-11 05:49:26	Veyrdite	*wrong
2014-10-11 05:49:28	cu-kai	why try and shotgun a rant to death when you can just go chain gun and dancewhore around it
2014-10-11 05:49:35	cu-ams	trample is far from instant kill too
2014-10-11 05:49:37	cu-kai	chainsuit on edge > all
2014-10-11 05:49:47	@GlobalWarming	Then how about creating tutorial servers for beginners?
2014-10-11 05:49:47	@Shadow`	trample someone into a corner
2014-10-11 05:49:48	cu-kai	so many players have said this
2014-10-11 05:49:50	@ZdrytchX	to be honest theinvsblman tremulous is full of "cheap kills"
2014-10-11 05:49:53	cu-kai	corner trample is instakill
2014-10-11 05:49:54	@Shadow`	and you take down a whole enemy team within a second
2014-10-11 05:49:58	@Shadow`	whats not instakill about that?
2014-10-11 05:49:59	@theinvsblman	yeah, we should get rid of that
2014-10-11 05:49:59	cu-kai	trample -> stop -> swipe is instakill
2014-10-11 05:50:03	@ZdrytchX	tremulous is indeed my favourite game, but it is full of gameplay flaws
2014-10-11 05:50:07	Swizaw	This returns to the main topic = Create newb friendly tutorials,single player mods i don't know
2014-10-11 05:50:20	ThatRudeMan	And regarding that wiki merge thing, you guys wanna look at the firefox os wiki, they did a complete make over in order to attract more people
2014-10-11 05:50:23	Swizaw	Something to motivate players instead of making them feel bad for playing because their feeding and getting raged at
2014-10-11 05:50:26	@DevHC	dGr8LookinSparky: the client should be made better regardless of any "light" versions
2014-10-11 05:50:27	@theinvsblman	as i said before, edge could be used for experimenting with gameplay
2014-10-11 05:50:32	@theinvsblman	trying to make it much more fun
2014-10-11 05:50:35	PikaNoChu	please try to stay on topic a bit, we can always talk/flame later :P
2014-10-11 05:50:40	@theinvsblman	players already have so much inertia they'll never leave the server
2014-10-11 05:50:44	Veyrdite	Yeah, let's stay on the topics
2014-10-11 05:50:48	@Shadow`	bring back the automatic credit/kills donating
2014-10-11 05:50:48	cu-kai	pika: they're the same thing on trem :)
2014-10-11 05:50:51	cu-kai	talking and flaming that is
2014-10-11 05:50:51	Veyrdite	http://vote.acidtu.be/?view=8
2014-10-11 05:50:56	PikaNoChu	hehe
2014-10-11 05:50:56	@Shadow`	so newbies get some evo/credits too
2014-10-11 05:51:01	@ZdrytchX	PikaNoChu I've lost trac, what's the main topic at the moment, I miight've missed something while I was at work
2014-10-11 05:51:07	@DevHC	PikaNoChu: what is off-topic (flaming) now?
2014-10-11 05:51:21	@dGr8LookinSparky	the problem with hardware isn't just with trem players, Unv is free and open source, and a lot of potential players on linux use old hardware
2014-10-11 05:51:25	@Shadow`	awesome when u at max evo/credits
2014-10-11 05:51:29	@Shadow`	with the rest of team sucking ass
2014-10-11 05:51:30	PikaNoChu	well, the discussions about edge gameplay for instance
2014-10-11 05:51:30	@ZdrytchX	DevHC signal fault: variable "off-topic" undefined
2014-10-11 05:51:32	@Shadow`	and having nothing
2014-10-11 05:51:33	cu-kai	linux doesnt always mean old hw sparky
2014-10-11 05:51:33	@GlobalWarming	Can a lighter version of Unvanquished be created or not?
2014-10-11 05:51:34	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: That's not a Linux exclusive thing
2014-10-11 05:51:35	Swizaw	We're talking or were talking about making newb players don't leave the game in first instance
2014-10-11 05:51:38	@Shadow`	it is a team game isn't it
2014-10-11 05:51:40	cu-kai	my hw isn't that old and i use linux most of the time
2014-10-11 05:51:43	@Shadow`	why focus so heavily on solo play
2014-10-11 05:51:52	@theinvsblman	GlobalWarming, forget about it
2014-10-11 05:52:02	Swizaw	team games are more hard than it looks
2014-10-11 05:52:03	Veyrdite	GlobalWarming: That's the wrong way of thinking about it
2014-10-11 05:52:06	@theinvsblman	one of the reasons why unvanquished is so successful is because they go forward
2014-10-11 05:52:06	Swizaw	people just wanna do what they want
2014-10-11 05:52:11	@theinvsblman	not giving a shit about the past
2014-10-11 05:52:12	PikaNoChu	actually, talking about gameplay specifics about any version of the game is just sliding us of topic i think
2014-10-11 05:52:15	Veyrdite	Unvaquished needs to be made lighter.  There is not need to make a second version
2014-10-11 05:52:20	@Shadow`	tremulous acts like its a team game, but every single thing focusses on solo play
2014-10-11 05:52:23	@theinvsblman	which is why they dropped the old renderer
2014-10-11 05:52:33	@Shadow`	you're much better off soloing down a hurde of aliens
2014-10-11 05:52:36	@theinvsblman	yeah, unvanquished itself should run faster
2014-10-11 05:52:36	@GlobalWarming	not another version, but enough options to lower the HW requirements
2014-10-11 05:52:36	@Shadow`	then having a team behind u
2014-10-11 05:52:40	@Shadow`	shooting you down to 20 hp
2014-10-11 05:52:44	@dGr8LookinSparky	I'm not aying that every1 would have hw problem, but alot of potential people would still be excluded
2014-10-11 05:52:51	@Shadow`	or busting your ass right into an enemy base because a fool shot a luci
2014-10-11 05:52:56	Veyrdite	Eventually Unvanquished should perform just as well as Trem on the same quality settings
2014-10-11 05:52:59	@theinvsblman	imo people should just invest in new hardware
2014-10-11 05:53:05	Veyrdite	At the moment I believe we are CPU limited -> new UI system
2014-10-11 05:53:05	@ZdrytchX	ACtually regarding the light version of unvanquished - we could have simple hyper-low poly md3 models than advance md5 models, and a whole bunch of features missing except the very basics
2014-10-11 05:53:07	Veyrdite	It's still being opotimised
2014-10-11 05:53:09	@theinvsblman	even an IGP can run unvanquished at decent framerates
2014-10-11 05:53:11	Veyrdite	But we're getting there
2014-10-11 05:53:13	@DevHC	theinvsblman: quite the opposite: they don't give a shit about old hardware, so ppl with old hardware can't play
2014-10-11 05:53:24	@theinvsblman	yeah, but we have a game that doesn't look like shit anymore
2014-10-11 05:53:26	@Shadow`	if your pc is 10+ years old
2014-10-11 05:53:29	Veyrdite	@ZdrytchX: I don't think polygons are the issue for most people
2014-10-11 05:53:31	@Shadow`	you should buy new shit
2014-10-11 05:53:37	@ZdrytchX	i know Veyrdite
2014-10-11 05:53:37	@Shadow`	anything in the last decade or so can run unv
2014-10-11 05:53:37	cu-kai	thats not a bad idea redman, i'll go spend my invisible money on a new setup
2014-10-11 05:53:43	cu-kai	just like half the other trem players will i guess
2014-10-11 05:53:45	Veyrdite	We're not getting very far on this subject, we should probably also consider the next one
2014-10-11 05:53:48	@ZdrytchX	byut the rendering system that renders everything is the problem
2014-10-11 05:53:51	@ZdrytchX	it is TOO INEFFICIENT
2014-10-11 05:54:04	@ZdrytchX	if you compare ioquake3 and run tremulous 1.0 quake 3 mod
2014-10-11 05:54:06	@Shadow`	and trem's q3 engine isnt inefficient?
2014-10-11 05:54:08	Swizaw	theinvsblman:Yo reedman people won't invest in a new HW,this is a free game people most people play it because its free and thats how they found it.Searching on google 'free pc games' etc.No one is going to buy any better HW to play a FREE game
2014-10-11 05:54:10	@Shadow`	i got a GTX 760
2014-10-11 05:54:12	@ZdrytchX	it runs at a fkin brilliant 200 fps or higher
2014-10-11 05:54:17	@ZdrytchX	but unvanquished runs at a mere 2 fps
2014-10-11 05:54:19	@Shadow`	and getting more than 125 FPS is a godforsaken miracle
2014-10-11 05:54:21	@ZdrytchX	(on this system)
2014-10-11 05:54:23	NewSource	i got gts 650 ti boost
2014-10-11 05:54:30	@GlobalWarming	Ok, lets leave the "Light version" aside and discuss that later, lets move on people
2014-10-11 05:54:34	Veyrdite	Yes
2014-10-11 05:54:36	@Shadow`	tremulous is fucking horrible on resources
2014-10-11 05:54:36	cu-kai	com_maxfps 333?
2014-10-11 05:54:40	@theinvsblman	come on, i can run the game on highest settings at 30-60FPS on intel hd 3000
2014-10-11 05:54:42	cu-kai	not on newer pc's shadow
2014-10-11 05:54:49	@Shadow`	yes on newer pc's kai
2014-10-11 05:54:59	@theinvsblman	you really need a piece of shit to not be able to run unvanquished
2014-10-11 05:54:59	@Shadow`	its an ancient engine not optimized for anything thats made in the last 15 years
2014-10-11 05:55:08	@ZdrytchX	Shadow` I also noticed GPP is actually significantly better than 1.1 in resoruce mangagement
2014-10-11 05:55:09	NewSource	kai
2014-10-11 05:55:10	Swizaw	I have an old pc from 2007 and i can nearly have 120 fps
2014-10-11 05:55:15	@ZdrytchX	in terms of temporary memory
2014-10-11 05:55:18	@Shadow`	it is still godhorrible
2014-10-11 05:55:22	PikaNoChu	about performance, how about doing something like a steam hardware survey for trem and unv?
2014-10-11 05:55:30	@ZdrytchX	so was the very old unvanquished (pre alpha 5 or so)
2014-10-11 05:55:32	Swizaw	Im afk gotta do something for lunch back in 5 mins
2014-10-11 05:55:35	Veyrdite	PikaNoChu: Not enough users for it to work
2014-10-11 05:55:49	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite: well, maybe some polls would already do
2014-10-11 05:55:49	NewSource	im think what in singleplayer games on id tech 3 (ex: RTCW ET and etc) im have 999 fps..
2014-10-11 05:56:03	PikaNoChu	I just feel it's pointless talking about the hardware of users without any data to back it up
2014-10-11 05:56:15	@ZdrytchX	Shadow` there are lots of variables you can tweak to reduce that framerate of yours
2014-10-11 05:56:18	Veyrdite	All Unvanquished speed issues are going to be fixed.
2014-10-11 05:56:21	Veyrdite	Hardware will not be an issue
2014-10-11 05:56:32	Veyrdite	Please let's not compare and complain about frame-rates :)
2014-10-11 05:56:34	NewSource	but in trem if  im use com_maxfps 300 - im have title Connection interuptted...
2014-10-11 05:56:36	@theinvsblman	unvanquished already is faster than trem
2014-10-11 05:56:58	@theinvsblman	8k vertex models, advanced shaders on every surface
2014-10-11 05:57:00	@ZdrytchX	such as r_anaglyphmode and r_stereorendering (one or the other), r_bloom, cg_shadows 2 etc... pretty cool features
2014-10-11 05:57:04	@dGr8LookinSparky	Pikachu makes a good point, Pika, add the idea to get stats on the player bases
2014-10-11 05:57:05	@theinvsblman	and it runs at 30-60FPS on integrated gpus
2014-10-11 05:57:08	@dGr8LookinSparky	PikaNoChu:
2014-10-11 05:57:14	PikaNoChu	i'll make a topic
2014-10-11 05:57:29	@ZdrytchX	theinvsblman you can't garanteee every surace
2014-10-11 05:57:30	@ZdrytchX	also
2014-10-11 05:57:42	@ZdrytchX	like I said: <ZdrytchX> but unvanquished runs at a mere 2 fps
2014-10-11 05:57:58	@theinvsblman	it's a special case
2014-10-11 05:58:07	@theinvsblman	in general it runs at high framerates
2014-10-11 05:58:10	Veyrdite	ZdrytchX: If you have perf issues, we should be able to address them.  Please discuss them on our forums and IRC
2014-10-11 05:58:11	@DevHC	fallacy: one needs to first gather statistics about the user base (ie., hardware), and then optimize for that
2014-10-11 05:58:12	@DevHC	correction: one needs to use his/her knowledge to find the best optimization strategy to appeal to a very large user base
2014-10-11 05:58:23	@ZdrytchX	in general people with intergreated grphics HAVE PROBLEMS INSTALLING THE GAME
2014-10-11 05:58:25	Veyrdite	We don't have much a user base to optimise for at the moment
2014-10-11 05:58:34	@ZdrytchX	unfortunately most of the people who had those problems no longer play tremulous
2014-10-11 05:58:36	@theinvsblman	in general people with integrated graphics have problems with everything
2014-10-11 05:58:37	Veyrdite	Also: it's probably not as important as commercial games make out
2014-10-11 05:58:42	@theinvsblman	and mostly it's their drivers' fault
2014-10-11 05:58:52	Veyrdite	Our user base is going to be using a couple of companie's worth of equipment, nothing more
2014-10-11 05:59:02	Veyrdite	We know what to expect and we test as much as we can in different driver environments
2014-10-11 05:59:16	Veyrdite	theinvsblman: We try and work around driver issues.  it tends to be the best solution, but that's another story
2014-10-11 05:59:20	@ZdrytchX	theinvsblman in other words you're saying "let's ditch them" - which pretty much is happening
2014-10-11 05:59:28	@theinvsblman	yes, in favor of a modern look
2014-10-11 05:59:34	@theinvsblman	that will attract way more people than we'll lose
2014-10-11 05:59:49	@dGr8LookinSparky	If the trem communities were to ultimately completely migrate to unv I think that two things have to happen software wise: 1) more efficient for older hardware, 2) practical for modding
2014-10-11 06:00:00	@ZdrytchX	yes, but about 40% of the population here where I live as far as I know, that has a computer, have integrated graphics
2014-10-11 06:00:19	@ZdrytchX	and about 95% of the population here has computers too
2014-10-11 06:00:24	@GlobalWarming	all laptops have integrated graphics
2014-10-11 06:00:32	cu-kai	and 3) all existing mods will break
2014-10-11 06:00:40	@dGr8LookinSparky	until those two achievements, I would think the best thing to do would be for trem and unv to live side by side
2014-10-11 06:00:45	@ZdrytchX	so technically when you "ditch those low-end graphics support" you are effectively ditching nearly 50% of the population (for my city)
2014-10-11 06:00:46	@theinvsblman	CBSE is a beta goal
2014-10-11 06:00:58	@theinvsblman	which is (theoretically) make mods much easier to develop
2014-10-11 06:01:14	@theinvsblman	right now you need a vast knowledge to do anything interesting in trem
2014-10-11 06:01:34	@ZdrytchX	GlobalWarming wrong, my mum's family friend's husband had a octa-core gaming PC "laptop" (not solid state, it's HDD)
2014-10-11 06:01:43	@GlobalWarming	The goal is to have fun. If  the game is running at really low FPS, people won't have fun and leave.
2014-10-11 06:02:15	@theinvsblman	dGr8LookinSparky, good point
2014-10-11 06:02:16	@GlobalWarming	ZdrytchX: ok, maybe there are exceptions, but in general you won't find laptops with powerful video cards
2014-10-11 06:02:23	NewSource	I noticed a strange thing: the latest version of unvanquished not see outsiders pk3 archives with maps (example: I copied the file MAP-ATCS-1.1.0.pk3 in the folder where are the resources unvaquished, ran it, entered \map atcs, but he found her en)
2014-10-11 06:02:23	cu-kai	unless they're dedicated
2014-10-11 06:02:24	cu-kai	to gaming
2014-10-11 06:02:25	@theinvsblman	we should support gpp as long as unvanquished is in alpha
2014-10-11 06:02:39	@dGr8LookinSparky	gpp and 1.1
2014-10-11 06:02:42	ThatRudeMan	umm, not to be rude, but why are we discussing this again?
2014-10-11 06:02:48	Veyrdite	Side by side is probably a good idea.
2014-10-11 06:03:13	Veyrdite	However it would be nice if they linked to each other
2014-10-11 06:03:17	@dGr8LookinSparky	1.1 has to also be a part of it since they have the most players currently
2014-10-11 06:03:24	NewSource	guys
2014-10-11 06:03:41	@GlobalWarming	side by side is the best idea so the community can migrate little by little until they have a better HW.
2014-10-11 06:03:49	@theinvsblman	yes, but i haven't played 1.1 in a long time, so i can't say anything about it
2014-10-11 06:03:49	Veyrdite	NewSource: the filesystem is very picky.  Make sure you capitalise correctly
2014-10-11 06:03:50	NewSource	why last version unv do not allow run other map from trem (it just do not see maps)
2014-10-11 06:03:53	NewSource	oh ok
2014-10-11 06:03:56	@ZdrytchX	GlobalWarming when you said "The goal is to have fun. If  the game is running at really low FPS, people won't have fun and leave." watch me play this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m0msgtipLA
2014-10-11 06:04:04	@dGr8LookinSparky	linking between acidtu.be New Edge and Unv is very possible
2014-10-11 06:04:05	@ZdrytchX	I still have fun, but maybe it
2014-10-11 06:04:07	Veyrdite	NewSource: If you continue to have problems, contact the unvanq devs on the forums or #unvanquished-dev
2014-10-11 06:04:11	@ZdrytchX	it's because i'm highly tolerant
2014-10-11 06:04:14	Veyrdite	NewSource: They will be able to sort it out for you
2014-10-11 06:04:16	PikaNoChu	DevHC: good point, should consider all aspects though. knowing distribution might still be useful?
2014-10-11 06:04:35	NewSource	Strangely, earlier versions could run other maps ..
2014-10-11 06:04:37	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: We can probably do the same back if you're prepared to stick around
2014-10-11 06:04:47	Veyrdite	I might try and push a new website design on the rest of the team, if I have time
2014-10-11 06:04:48	ThatRudeMan	Veyrdite: do we have a bug reporting system for Unv?
2014-10-11 06:04:51	Veyrdite	Yes
2014-10-11 06:04:51	@GlobalWarming	ZdrytchX: and you actually having fun? hehe
2014-10-11 06:04:56	@ZdrytchX	Veyrdite correction: "most of the time" not "will" - there's no garantee ;)
2014-10-11 06:05:00	Veyrdite	https://github.com/Unvanquished/Unvanquished/issues
2014-10-11 06:05:14	@ZdrytchX	GlobalWarming believe it or not I still play that game
2014-10-11 06:05:16	Veyrdite	You just need a github account to post a bug
2014-10-11 06:05:22	ThatRudeMan	Gotcha, thanks
2014-10-11 06:05:25	@ZdrytchX	if you've been wondering where have I  been gaming it's that game
2014-10-11 06:05:48	Veyrdite	If you have a difficult to define problem, like the game not working at all, it's worth contacting the devs on #unvanquished-dev too
2014-10-11 06:05:52	@GlobalWarming	ZdrytchX: probably because you don't have any other lighter option?
2014-10-11 06:06:10	@ZdrytchX	uhm... TF2 is a "lighter" option - I get 16 fps in that on average
2014-10-11 06:06:12	ThatRudeMan	what about google groups?
2014-10-11 06:06:21	Veyrdite	ThatRudeMan: What for?
2014-10-11 06:06:35	@ZdrytchX	there's also servers around my region for that game... hwoever I don't like the anti-bunnyhop patch they made
2014-10-11 06:06:35	ThatRudeMan	dev purpose
2014-10-11 06:06:39	@ZdrytchX	feels so dodgy
2014-10-11 06:06:53	@GlobalWarming	The problem using google products is that you can't use your nick, so people won't recognize you...hehe
2014-10-11 06:06:53	@dGr8LookinSparky	before we continue, can we agree that unv, acidtu.be and New Edge should ork on linking to each other?
2014-10-11 06:07:10	@theinvsblman	yes, but just linking isn't enough imo
2014-10-11 06:07:28	@dGr8LookinSparky	not enough, but essential
2014-10-11 06:07:29	PikaNoChu	how about having a shared database?
2014-10-11 06:07:30	@theinvsblman	a huge problem is that one community knows next to nothing about another
2014-10-11 06:07:34	@GlobalWarming	and that bring us to http://vote.acidtu.be/?view=7 : Unique login for all tremulous related forums/sites
2014-10-11 06:07:45	@ZdrytchX	GlobalWarming I'm not sure how that will be successful
2014-10-11 06:07:50	@dGr8LookinSparky	yes, thats a good one global
2014-10-11 06:07:52	NewSource	em..stuped question, but who speak russian?
2014-10-11 06:07:55	@theinvsblman	e.g. unvanquished people don't know about edge
2014-10-11 06:07:56	Veyrdite	We have found IRC to be really useful for dev :)  Google groups would not hold up to the speed and scale of the discussions
2014-10-11 06:07:58	@theinvsblman	and vice-versa
2014-10-11 06:08:02	cu-ams	shared db / login probably isnt worth the trouble
2014-10-11 06:08:03	ThatRudeMan	unique login with google plus and facebook would be a better approach
2014-10-11 06:08:03	@theinvsblman	(in general)
2014-10-11 06:08:11	@ZdrytchX	youll require the permission (and trust) of almost ALL tremulous related site administrators
2014-10-11 06:08:18	cu-ams	many of the current community members might not even want a shared login
2014-10-11 06:08:21	Veyrdite	Trust is not going to probably be possible
2014-10-11 06:08:23	@GlobalWarming	not very successful, but it will help people to feel that everything is part of a group of sites. The feeling that is not "us" and "them"
2014-10-11 06:08:29	@ZdrytchX	and some sites which were tremulous related aren't probably willing to go back to tremulous
2014-10-11 06:08:45	Veyrdite	I think we can rephrase the idea of a single-login system
2014-10-11 06:08:45	@ZdrytchX	for exammple knightsofreason.net is majorly a communty from the KoR tremulous clan
2014-10-11 06:08:51	@ZdrytchX	but they don't plan on going back to tremulous
2014-10-11 06:08:58	ThatRudeMan	Veyrdite: it acts a a place for undocumented features :P
2014-10-11 06:08:58	Veyrdite	If you can make a working solution, we might be able to try it
2014-10-11 06:09:01	@dGr8LookinSparky	what would be the downside of registering on one site means you are on all?
2014-10-11 06:09:08	Veyrdite	ThatRudeMan:  We have a wiki :D
2014-10-11 06:09:12	@GlobalWarming	Veyrdite: you got the idea
2014-10-11 06:09:24	@theinvsblman	dGr8LookinSparky, this would require admins to share data
2014-10-11 06:09:27	ThatRudeMan	Wiki is for documented features
2014-10-11 06:09:33	@theinvsblman	and trust each other
2014-10-11 06:09:41	Veyrdite	A google group post is a document -> documentation?
2014-10-11 06:09:44	PikaNoChu	i think, if there were to be centralisation then there would need to be a way for all parties to have *some* control over it?
2014-10-11 06:10:14	@GlobalWarming	it could take some time, but we can start with "affiliated" websites
2014-10-11 06:10:20	Veyrdite	If you want to have this dicussion you would need at least `Ishq and kharnov here too from Unvanq
2014-10-11 06:10:21	@GlobalWarming	and start breaking barriers
2014-10-11 06:10:22	@dGr8LookinSparky	hmm, I'm not sure if centralisation is the right term
2014-10-11 06:10:33	Veyrdite	Let me put this from a realistic point of view from Unvanq
2014-10-11 06:10:38	Veyrdite	We have seen Tremulous and many sites
2014-10-11 06:10:40	@dGr8LookinSparky	more like coordination
2014-10-11 06:10:41	Veyrdite	go downhill
2014-10-11 06:10:49	Veyrdite	Our site and project however has stayed around
2014-10-11 06:11:03	Veyrdite	The opinion would probably be 'why would we partner with other sites that might dissapear'?
2014-10-11 06:11:09	@GlobalWarming	this is Kharnov said: <kharnov> we would reject this outright
2014-10-11 06:11:10	NewSource	Sparky what is Tremulous Web Series Project???
2014-10-11 06:11:12	@ZdrytchX	Veyrdite it is because you have the most active on-going developement
2014-10-11 06:11:13	Veyrdite	It's simpler and easier to say seperate
2014-10-11 06:11:14	@theinvsblman	yeah, which is why kharnov doesn't really care about 1.1 or gpp
2014-10-11 06:11:17	@GlobalWarming	<kharnov> we are centralizing everything related to us
2014-10-11 06:11:26	Veyrdite	*stay
2014-10-11 06:11:40	@dGr8LookinSparky	http://acidtu.be/index.php/WebSeries
2014-10-11 06:11:41	@ZdrytchX	if it weren't for the ongoing developement the population would plummet in my opinion
2014-10-11 06:12:01	@ZdrytchX	it's also the same reason why murnatan is actually having some peeps around its quarters
2014-10-11 06:12:06	PikaNoChu	i think there are some players that will keep playing no matter what
2014-10-11 06:12:23	ThatRudeMan	The only reason for the downfall of all the projects is the use of ancient technology for development
2014-10-11 06:12:31	PikaNoChu	it's like their routine, but it's not very useful in the long run
2014-10-11 06:12:39	ThatRudeMan	it might run on old PCs but will fail to attract new people
2014-10-11 06:12:43	cu-kai	new-edge is more updated than botscamp iirc, and botscamp / cuboid aren't even played
2014-10-11 06:12:43	@GlobalWarming	we don't need to centralize, just collaborate as Sparky pointed out. If a website is offline, we can remove the links and thats all
2014-10-11 06:12:46	cu-kai	it's only edge which gets played
2014-10-11 06:12:46	@theinvsblman	indeed, unvanqusihed is already almost 3 years of development ahead of 1.1 and gpp
2014-10-11 06:13:09	NewSource	Уь ызфклн
2014-10-11 06:13:18	@ZdrytchX	NewSource Tremulous Web Series Project is sort of an entertainment youtube series we're producing also aimed at advertising and entertainment (of course) in a way
2014-10-11 06:13:22	NewSource	Em sparky how me join to *<{  ? )
2014-10-11 06:13:30	NewSource	oh understamnd
2014-10-11 06:13:42	PikaNoChu	i would love to move to a newer engine, but I'm afraid it would have to be stable enough and provide decent performance
2014-10-11 06:13:51	PikaNoChu	for trem projects that is
2014-10-11 06:13:58	@ZdrytchX	indeed PikaNoChu
2014-10-11 06:13:58	@theinvsblman	yeah
2014-10-11 06:14:02	@GlobalWarming	cu-kai: the only reason Botscamp is not being updated is because we have been working in other ideas. But we will be updating it as soon we are done.
2014-10-11 06:14:07	Veyrdite	Daemon is getting better, and there are probably not better alternatives
2014-10-11 06:14:09	@ZdrytchX	it is also the reason why I haven't even started modding unvanquished to port the korx mod
2014-10-11 06:14:19	ThatRudeMan	and the future is in mobile device. We need to target those in order to attract new people
2014-10-11 06:14:25	Veyrdite	I'm really surprised by the fear everyone has of porting their mods
2014-10-11 06:14:33	Veyrdite	Has anyone actually tried it yet?
2014-10-11 06:14:33	@Shadow`	merge korx with edge and CZunlimited
2014-10-11 06:14:40	@Shadow`	i want dem goddamn trees back
2014-10-11 06:14:42	Veyrdite	It sounds like we are all just guessing
2014-10-11 06:14:47	@theinvsblman	the problem with merging mods to unvanquished is
2014-10-11 06:14:49	@ZdrytchX	problem Veyrdite the more you modify an engine, if let's say id's next idtech engine comes opensourced and it seems very attractive
2014-10-11 06:14:52	@theinvsblman	there is no point in doing that
2014-10-11 06:14:56	@ZdrytchX	you'll have to do a scheetload of patching
2014-10-11 06:15:03	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite: all i know is that pk3dirs remove a lot of annoyances with trem modding :P
2014-10-11 06:15:05	@dGr8LookinSparky	Veyrdite: but unv isn't ready for modding?
2014-10-11 06:15:05	@ZdrytchX	which isn't a well, happy job to do
2014-10-11 06:15:09	@theinvsblman	e.g. rcz has not much to offer, really
2014-10-11 06:15:22	Veyrdite	From a technological point of view: Unv is ready for modding
2014-10-11 06:15:25	Veyrdite	The filesystem supports it
2014-10-11 06:15:28	@ZdrytchX	also Shadow` korx didn't have "trees"
2014-10-11 06:15:32	cu-kai	yes but if we mod it and you release another big update
2014-10-11 06:15:34	ThatRudeMan	@ Veyrdite : the reason i was suggesting Unity was because it can be done in JS, which is what I am good at
2014-10-11 06:15:34	Veyrdite	And you have an active community of devs to help you out on IRC
2014-10-11 06:15:36	cu-kai	the mod breaks
2014-10-11 06:15:37	@DevHC	Veyrdite: why don't u port mods?
2014-10-11 06:15:43	Veyrdite	cu-kai: This is what I'm sus about
2014-10-11 06:15:44	@ZdrytchX	you mean the "funko" mod made by rotacak, for R Unlimited servers
2014-10-11 06:15:44	@Shadow`	ZdrytchX but czunlimited did
2014-10-11 06:15:55	Veyrdite	We are all just assuming things will break in scary ways
2014-10-11 06:15:57	@Shadow`	haha tremulous breaks if you have to much pk3 files
2014-10-11 06:15:59	Veyrdite	The development is gradual
2014-10-11 06:16:09	Veyrdite	ATM we're only guessing about the unknown
2014-10-11 06:16:14	NewSource	DevHC? you are Dev/null/Human Controller? yes?
2014-10-11 06:16:18	@DevHC	yes
2014-10-11 06:16:21	NewSource	ok
2014-10-11 06:16:27	@Shadow`	so stop giving players a shit ton of useless pk3 files (*coughs* edge *coughs*)
2014-10-11 06:16:33	@ZdrytchX	I think NewSource is in shock
2014-10-11 06:16:36	@DevHC	(note sure about the null part)
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2014-10-11 06:16:42	@ZdrytchX	c'est la vie
2014-10-11 06:16:43	@DevHC	to be precise: /dev/humancontroller
2014-10-11 06:16:58	@DevHC	Veyrdite: why don't u port mods?
2014-10-11 06:16:59	@ZdrytchX	who is MadHops
2014-10-11 06:17:01	Veyrdite	tail -f /dev/mind >> blog
2014-10-11 06:17:02	PikaNoChu	DevHC: in what shape is the 'official' 1.2 ioQ3 engine any way?
2014-10-11 06:17:10	@ZdrytchX	welcome MadHops
2014-10-11 06:17:12	MadHops	i'm darkmicrobe
2014-10-11 06:17:12	Veyrdite	DevHC: I've never been involved in the modding community for quake games, only others
2014-10-11 06:17:20	@dGr8LookinSparky	hi Dark :)
2014-10-11 06:17:25	MadHops	hi sparky
2014-10-11 06:17:26	Veyrdite	Greetings
2014-10-11 06:17:27	NewSource	em DevHC u speak rus? Just like you said at the forum tremulous.net that basically know ...
2014-10-11 06:17:31	@DevHC	PikaNoChu: haven't looked at it in a long time
2014-10-11 06:17:36	@ZdrytchX	PikaNoChu it is actually quite stable
2014-10-11 06:17:46	@ZdrytchX	if you're referring to the latest version
2014-10-11 06:17:49	@ZdrytchX	as far as I know
2014-10-11 06:17:51	@DevHC	but it has some modern graphical capabilities, ie., a new renderer
2014-10-11 06:17:55	@theinvsblman	ioq3 is great, but it's way too old
2014-10-11 06:17:56	@ZdrytchX	yes
2014-10-11 06:18:03	@ZdrytchX	DevHC did you ever get to trying it out
2014-10-11 06:18:09	@DevHC	no
2014-10-11 06:18:14	@ZdrytchX	I don't know how to compile windows executables since I've never done it before
2014-10-11 06:18:20	NewSource	DarkMicrobe Here?
2014-10-11 06:18:20	@Shadow`	visual studio
2014-10-11 06:18:21	@ZdrytchX	i.e. the actual client
2014-10-11 06:18:28	PikaNoChu	theinvsblman: the ioQ3 gl2 renderer is nice though, faster than Unv for me at least
2014-10-11 06:18:35	@Shadow`	its just as easy as on *nix to compile shit on windows
2014-10-11 06:18:35	@DevHC	NewSource: yes, i basically speak russian
2014-10-11 06:18:36	@ZdrytchX	Shadow` I don't code on windows too, nor do I know how to use visual studi
2014-10-11 06:18:43	NewSource	Правда?)
2014-10-11 06:18:44	@ZdrytchX	which is a major problem for myself
2014-10-11 06:18:45	@theinvsblman	it doesn't look nearly as good though
2014-10-11 06:18:46	@DevHC	yes
2014-10-11 06:18:47	PikaNoChu	theinvsblman: though unv might be bottlenecked in other areas than the renderer
2014-10-11 06:18:52	@Shadow`	launch windows in a vm
2014-10-11 06:18:52	NewSource	если да, то хорошо)
2014-10-11 06:18:57	@Shadow`	download visual studio express
2014-10-11 06:18:59	@Shadow`	load project
2014-10-11 06:19:02	@Shadow`	hit the compile button
2014-10-11 06:19:03	@Shadow`	wait
2014-10-11 06:19:04	@Shadow`	done
2014-10-11 06:19:06	@ZdrytchX	damn i wish theos was here
2014-10-11 06:19:07	@theinvsblman	indeed, right now the codebase is full of shit
2014-10-11 06:19:13	@ZdrytchX	he'd bring in his oxytocin translator bot here
2014-10-11 06:19:26	@ZdrytchX	then again he's annoying at times :3
2014-10-11 06:19:45	PikaNoChu	when i look at daemon i can't help but getting bit of a feature creep feel
2014-10-11 06:19:46	MadHops	Maybe a bit off topic, but do i need OSX Mavericks in order to play unvanquished on mac? it looks promising but can't get it to work with this version.
2014-10-11 06:19:55	@theinvsblman	e.g. random patches from random q3 forks
2014-10-11 06:20:04	@theinvsblman	but it's all going to be rewritten eventually
2014-10-11 06:20:04	PikaNoChu	though it's nice to see it progressing
2014-10-11 06:20:08	Swizaw	Madhops if ur pc is averagely good u'll have 10 fps in unv
2014-10-11 06:20:10	Veyrdite	PikaNoChu:  We cull quite a lot
2014-10-11 06:20:16	Veyrdite	PikaNoChu: :D
2014-10-11 06:20:17	@ZdrytchX	theos might be coming
2014-10-11 06:20:18	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite: good to hear :)
2014-10-11 06:20:36	Veyrdite	PikaNoChu: Just shout "I FOUND SOME CODE TO NUKE" on our IRC and watch everyone cheer
2014-10-11 06:20:45	PikaNoChu	:D
2014-10-11 06:20:55	Veyrdite	librocket has been a big feature addition, and it's been somewhat messy
2014-10-11 06:20:57	@theinvsblman	yeah, i'm looking forward to nuking cgame
2014-10-11 06:21:02	Veyrdite	(if you're referring to that for example)
2014-10-11 06:21:03	@theinvsblman	especially particles
2014-10-11 06:21:23	@DevHC	Veyrdite: want me to join U*********? create a sub-website, u***********.net/refactoring-fanclub
2014-10-11 06:21:24	PikaNoChu	also, i've been doing some new particles, but I'm trying not to put in too much work since it'll prolly be nuked at some point and i'll have to redo thing :D
2014-10-11 06:21:33	ThatRudeMan	Sorry guys, i gtg. Need to run some errands.
2014-10-11 06:21:42	MadHops	cya
2014-10-11 06:21:44	PikaNoChu	ThatRudeMan: thanks for joining!
2014-10-11 06:21:51	ThatRudeMan	I had fun :P
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2014-10-11 06:22:01	Swizaw	bye rudeman
2014-10-11 06:22:11	Veyrdite	cya
2014-10-11 06:22:11	PikaNoChu	if we decide to go forward with certain ideas we could have regular meetings perhaps?
2014-10-11 06:22:18	@ZdrytchX	DevHC I created a unvanquished fan page for facebook... I didn't know how to delete it thoguh
2014-10-11 06:22:35	@DevHC	D:
2014-10-11 06:22:48	@dGr8LookinSparky	I think subsequent meeting should be focused on single topics
2014-10-11 06:23:00	PikaNoChu	dGr8LookinSparky: yes, good idea
2014-10-11 06:23:06	cu-kai	a subsequent meeting should only involve devs
2014-10-11 06:23:09	cu-kai	and backend admins
2014-10-11 06:23:20	@GlobalWarming	PikaNoChu: you should add that as an idea...
2014-10-11 06:23:22	Swizaw	depend on the topic
2014-10-11 06:23:32	@dGr8LookinSparky	we should have two kinds of meetings, private and public
2014-10-11 06:23:34	PikaNoChu	GlobalWarming: what? thee meetings?
2014-10-11 06:23:40	@GlobalWarming	I think we should work in teams according to which ideas we decide to implement
2014-10-11 06:23:43	@GlobalWarming	PikaNoChu: yes
2014-10-11 06:24:10	Veyrdite	Hmm
2014-10-11 06:24:11	cu-kai	i already have a secret board on new-edge for private meeting stuff too
2014-10-11 06:24:16	@dGr8LookinSparky	Pika, add port trem mods to Unv
2014-10-11 06:24:18	@GlobalWarming	PikaNoChu: if all agree, no need to add it
2014-10-11 06:24:21	cu-kai	so if you haven't signed up on http://new-edge.org i recommend you do so
2014-10-11 06:24:41	PikaNoChu	GlobalWarming: it might be useful to see who is interested in contributing to what
2014-10-11 06:24:52	@dGr8LookinSparky	yes, private forum stuff will be on new-edge, and public on acidtu.be
2014-10-11 06:24:54	@GlobalWarming	how can we achieve that?
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2014-10-11 06:25:02	cu-kai	well, not everything public on acidtube
2014-10-11 06:25:07	theos	hai
2014-10-11 06:25:13	@GlobalWarming	hi theos
2014-10-11 06:25:23	NewSource	руддщ)
2014-10-11 06:25:26	NewSource	hello*
2014-10-11 06:25:29	PikaNoChu	GlobalWarming: hmm, would it be unreasonable to ask people to sign up to the forums?
2014-10-11 06:25:47	PikaNoChu	GlobalWarming: though irc or some kind of form might be enough
2014-10-11 06:25:57	@Shadow`	using 2 seperate forums
2014-10-11 06:26:01	@Shadow`	who's genius idea is that
2014-10-11 06:26:10	@theinvsblman	i'm most interested in 1. making unvanquished stable and fully playable 2. making trem (= unv and gpp) as fun as possible
2014-10-11 06:26:15	cu-kai	because new-edge.org is for the new-edge mod but sparky suggested we had a private board there
2014-10-11 06:26:22	@DevHC	forums is a crappy, unproductive medium for live discussions
2014-10-11 06:26:27	cu-kai	live discussions yes
2014-10-11 06:26:37	cu-kai	but brainstorming ideas not so much, esp where timezones are concerned
2014-10-11 06:26:45	@ZdrytchX	GlobalWarming theos is from the xserverx community, if you don't know yet
2014-10-11 06:26:47	cu-ams	yeah.. forums dont work for live discussions
2014-10-11 06:26:55	PikaNoChu	sometimes having more reasoned and longer posts are more appropriate
2014-10-11 06:27:07	PikaNoChu	i also like the persistent nature of forums myself
2014-10-11 06:27:09	cu-ams	theyre good for gathering input/discussing ideas though
2014-10-11 06:27:09	@DevHC	by definition, a brainstorming session is live
2014-10-11 06:27:15	@dGr8LookinSparky	hi theos :)
2014-10-11 06:27:16	@GlobalWarming	PikaNoChu: yes, we have to think in how we can form those teams
2014-10-11 06:27:51	theos	hi dGr8LookinSparky :)
2014-10-11 06:27:53	cu-kai	but we also have to note down ideas
2014-10-11 06:27:59	cu-kai	what use is a chatlog of this irc
2014-10-11 06:28:02	@DevHC	ZdrytchX: can u plz say the following? Veyrdite: why don't u port mods?
2014-10-11 06:28:03	cu-kai	nobody wants to sift through this crap
2014-10-11 06:28:05	theos	( NewSource is banned on xservers btw)
2014-10-11 06:28:05	cu-kai	perhaps except sparky
2014-10-11 06:28:07	PikaNoChu	Shadow`: yeah, hence the idea to have some kind of shared log in
2014-10-11 06:28:16	cu-kai	yeah newsource has been repeatedly banned on new-edge
2014-10-11 06:28:18	cu-kai	for trolling users
2014-10-11 06:28:20	Swizaw	Yeah
2014-10-11 06:28:21	@ZdrytchX	Veyrdite: why don't u port mods?
2014-10-11 06:28:28	cu-ams	i dont think many mods will ever get ported to unv
2014-10-11 06:28:30	Veyrdite	DevHC: I already answered
2014-10-11 06:28:31	Veyrdite	:(
2014-10-11 06:28:36	PikaNoChu	hmm, would it be possible to have a middleman-database which accumulates logins from all kinds of sites and then forwards those to others?
2014-10-11 06:28:43	cu-ams	there may be a few rewrites though
2014-10-11 06:28:48	@dGr8LookinSparky	yes, I'll take care of the crap sifting kai, after the meeting :)
2014-10-11 06:28:53	@ZdrytchX	repeatf(Veyrdite: why don't u port mods?); Output: Veyrdite: why don't u port mods?
2014-10-11 06:28:54	Veyrdite	PikaNoChu: Yes, but doing it is what actually counts.
2014-10-11 06:28:54	cu-kai	good
2014-10-11 06:29:02	@theinvsblman	the best solution would be to move everything to a single website
2014-10-11 06:29:07	MadHops	agreed
2014-10-11 06:29:14	@theinvsblman	but i see how it can be hard to achieve
2014-10-11 06:29:21	PikaNoChu	theinvsblman: yeah, the politics and all ...
2014-10-11 06:29:23	@theinvsblman	we'd have to decide which one is the most important
2014-10-11 06:29:23	Swizaw	To one singe website..?
2014-10-11 06:29:25	Veyrdite	I think this could be achieved without Unvanquished
2014-10-11 06:29:35	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite: yes, probably
2014-10-11 06:29:37	@ZdrytchX	theinvsblman don't forget the horrors of community management, oh gwd
2014-10-11 06:29:39	Veyrdite	Can we take over tremulous.net and merge all of the trem communities back onto it?
2014-10-11 06:29:41	@theinvsblman	yeah...
2014-10-11 06:29:45	@DevHC	i don't see the answer
2014-10-11 06:29:47	@ZdrytchX	I would opt-out on community management
2014-10-11 06:29:59	cu-kai	veyrdite: i sent a pm to a forum admin on tremulous.net but they haven't got back
2014-10-11 06:29:59	@ZdrytchX	I can serve as a polymath for tremulous newbies
2014-10-11 06:30:00	@GlobalWarming	Veyrdite: I can do that. The general idea has been posted here :http://forum.acidtu.be/viewtopic.php?pid=4547
2014-10-11 06:30:00	@theinvsblman	reviving trem.net would be a great thing
2014-10-11 06:30:30	@ZdrytchX	cu-kai which admin have you sent it to
2014-10-11 06:30:32	PikaNoChu	theinvsblman: revamping everything... a fresh start would be nice
2014-10-11 06:30:44	@ZdrytchX	most tremulous.net beings are hibernating tyrants
2014-10-11 06:30:54	PikaNoChu	ZdrytchX: :D yep
2014-10-11 06:30:56	Swizaw	Tremulous.net is the main tremulous website and it looks dead
2014-10-11 06:31:02	@theinvsblman	yeah
2014-10-11 06:31:02	Swizaw	Doesn't give that good of an image
2014-10-11 06:31:45	@dGr8LookinSparky	I guess we have to wait for Kai to get a response from Tremulous.net to see if that is even possible
2014-10-11 06:31:52	NewSource	kai
2014-10-11 06:32:07	NewSource	u banned me now in edge?>
2014-10-11 06:32:08	Swizaw	how many years will it take for kai to get response?
2014-10-11 06:32:12	Veyrdite	DevHC: Check your pms
2014-10-11 06:32:16	PikaNoChu	Tremulous.net seems kind of fatalist
2014-10-11 06:32:18	@ZdrytchX	Swizaw is that a "does not give that good of an image" or is that a question "doesn't [it] give that good of an image" implying it's either sarcasm or a positive statement?
2014-10-11 06:32:26	NewSource	y in  xserverx w i have gmute...
2014-10-11 06:32:30	@theinvsblman	what about moving everything to unvanquished.net?
2014-10-11 06:32:30	PikaNoChu	like, oh hey the game is dead, we'll ridicule you for even thinking of reviving it
2014-10-11 06:32:45	Swizaw	ZdrytchX:It means it looks dead = Game is dead no1 plays it not bother looking further
2014-10-11 06:32:57	PikaNoChu	theinvsblman: would kharnov like hosting tremulous stuff?
2014-10-11 06:32:59	@dGr8LookinSparky	Is Unv willing to share their website with Trem mods?
2014-10-11 06:33:00	@GlobalWarming	We should do a site that we can actually expand or modify at our will without having to contact tremulous.net admins (in case they don't reply soon)
2014-10-11 06:33:00	@ZdrytchX	well at the moment tremulous.net actually has some sort of database problem
2014-10-11 06:33:03	@ZdrytchX	I can't even post on it
2014-10-11 06:33:11	MadHops	no offense but trem.net looks dead and so does to wikipedia page, i agree with swizaw here
2014-10-11 06:33:16	@ZdrytchX	you can't log out once you'vel ogged in the last tiem i checked
2014-10-11 06:33:18	cu-kai	thats why i tried to contact one of thea dmins there
2014-10-11 06:33:22	cu-kai	the admins*
2014-10-11 06:33:29	@ZdrytchX	MadHops it has a wikipedia page? I thought it was ovverun by spambots
2014-10-11 06:33:30	cu-kai	see if i can get partial cms control over its homepage
2014-10-11 06:33:32	@ZdrytchX	and was shut down
2014-10-11 06:33:33	Swizaw	Yeah but i doubt the admins go there 'often'
2014-10-11 06:33:34	PikaNoChu	perhaps we should focus on creating the pages themselves and worry about who hosts them later?
2014-10-11 06:33:43	cu-kai	the last time this specific admin was on was 24th of sept..
2014-10-11 06:33:49	@ZdrytchX	PikaNoChu +1
2014-10-11 06:33:58	MadHops	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tremulous <- should be it @ZdrytchX
2014-10-11 06:34:18	@dGr8LookinSparky	Veyrdite: ould Unv be illing to dedicate parts of their website to trem mods?
2014-10-11 06:34:23	@GlobalWarming	hosting them is not a problem IMHO
2014-10-11 06:34:37	@dGr8LookinSparky	would*
2014-10-11 06:34:42	@dGr8LookinSparky	willing*
2014-10-11 06:34:42	@theinvsblman	we'd need to ask kharnov
2014-10-11 06:34:45	Veyrdite	Hmm
2014-10-11 06:34:46	PikaNoChu	GlobalWarming: no, i don't think it is, just... the identity thing
2014-10-11 06:34:54	@ZdrytchX	MadHops oh that one
2014-10-11 06:34:57	MadHops	latest news on wiki page in from 2009, that is pretty much the definition of dead
2014-10-11 06:34:59	Veyrdite	For a simple act of 'linking to sister projects' I don't think anyone would mind
2014-10-11 06:35:04	Veyrdite	But it would not be a big thing on our site
2014-10-11 06:35:10	@ZdrytchX	wikipedia is overrun by their beaurocratic tyrants of their own too
2014-10-11 06:35:11	@theinvsblman	as far as i can tell, kharnov only cares about unvanquished
2014-10-11 06:35:13	Veyrdite	... and merging others in would probably never go ahead
2014-10-11 06:35:14	@theinvsblman	so along as it would benefit unvanquished
2014-10-11 06:35:15	@ZdrytchX	they need evidence for everything
2014-10-11 06:35:18	Veyrdite	Yes
2014-10-11 06:35:22	@theinvsblman	it could be done
2014-10-11 06:35:23	@ZdrytchX	so you can;t just say "this event happened then that event"
2014-10-11 06:35:50	PikaNoChu	theinvsblman: well it's not unreasonable of him to be honest, I would understand
2014-10-11 06:35:52	MadHops	yeah sure thing, but doesn't help the whole "reviving" part that we're trying to acomplish
2014-10-11 06:35:59	Veyrdite	Remember: the opinion of most Unvanq players is that Tremulous ideas and projects are held back, and if any action to do with them is at risk of affecting Unvanq them it should not be taken
2014-10-11 06:36:07	@ZdrytchX	i.e. you can include the xonotic's depressing split event humour of the april fools xbox 360 tremulous port but you can't put down information about the stack building mods achieved in tremulous
2014-10-11 06:36:19	Veyrdite	From our point of view: we're going to be linking to some dead projects.  We're not going to like that
2014-10-11 06:36:21	@dGr8LookinSparky	If all trem mods, 1.1 and gpp moved to Unv, you would surely gain the player bases and developers rapidly
2014-10-11 06:36:35	Veyrdite	Perhaps :D
2014-10-11 06:36:50	@theinvsblman	this is what kharnov wants to happen
2014-10-11 06:36:59	@theinvsblman	to everyone just ditch gpp and move to unv
2014-10-11 06:37:05	Swizaw	dGr8LookinSparky:Deal is sparky.Unv is in ALPHA test and it needs a very decent HW which most of us don't have and we're not spending money to get a better HW.
2014-10-11 06:37:06	@GlobalWarming	but that won't happen anytime soon.
2014-10-11 06:37:07	@ZdrytchX	dGr8LookinSparky but we'd have to dumb-down the system requirements AND the installer-friendliness of the game called unvanquished
2014-10-11 06:37:08	Veyrdite	This is the best way to approach it:
2014-10-11 06:37:09	PikaNoChu	I would like that to happen
2014-10-11 06:37:16	Veyrdite	(1) Make an awesome site/sites for your projects
2014-10-11 06:37:18	@ZdrytchX	the installation is pretty damn easy
2014-10-11 06:37:20	Veyrdite	(2) Make them look maintained
2014-10-11 06:37:23	Veyrdite	(3) Then ask for linking
2014-10-11 06:37:28	@ZdrytchX	but that's not what I'm talking about, I'm more about the initiation of the game
2014-10-11 06:37:43	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite: yes, talk is cheap, we should have proof of concept to show
2014-10-11 06:37:47	@dGr8LookinSparky	what I'm talking about si moving all trem mod site to unv, not abandoning trem right away
2014-10-11 06:37:55	MadHops	if what swizaw says is correct, i wont be able to play unv #maclife
2014-10-11 06:37:55	Veyrdite	We would never link to plain trem 1.1 or gpp.  They are firmly dead from most of our opinions
2014-10-11 06:38:10	Swizaw	Just wait to see if we can get control of tremulous.net wait some time
2014-10-11 06:38:10	@theinvsblman	OSX is supported but it's not high-priority
2014-10-11 06:38:14	Veyrdite	If you have an active mod that's worth something in its own right, then of course we would view it differently
2014-10-11 06:38:26	@theinvsblman	the best OS to play unvanquished is linux
2014-10-11 06:38:27	Swizaw	If we can get control of tremulous.net we could put all there
2014-10-11 06:38:30	@ZdrytchX	Swizaw in your dreams... they aren't recruiting anyone for management at all
2014-10-11 06:38:31	Veyrdite	Yes
2014-10-11 06:38:32	@theinvsblman	as almost every unv dev uses it
2014-10-11 06:38:41	Veyrdite	Unfortunately the domain name for tremulous.net is registered until 2017
2014-10-11 06:38:45	Veyrdite	Do we know who owns it?
2014-10-11 06:38:59	PikaNoChu	timbo?
2014-10-11 06:39:01	PikaNoChu	dunno
2014-10-11 06:39:03	Veyrdite	It was updated 24th July this year
2014-10-11 06:39:05	@ZdrytchX	to be honest the most active "forum manager" of tremulous.net would be the mighty kharnage-kyun
2014-10-11 06:39:09	@GlobalWarming	Tim Angus
2014-10-11 06:39:16	@ZdrytchX	hell no
2014-10-11 06:39:19	Veyrdite	Can you please try contacting these people
2014-10-11 06:39:20	Swizaw	It's not recruitment.They barely go to that website anymore they could have ams for example to have some commands on that site and put everything in there
2014-10-11 06:39:20	@dGr8LookinSparky	Veyrdite: the devlopment of trem itself might be dead, but not the trem communities and the mod development
2014-10-11 06:39:22	@ZdrytchX	oh you're asking about who owns it
2014-10-11 06:39:24	NewSource	em Tim angus here?
2014-10-11 06:39:33	@ZdrytchX	timbo is on #tremulous
2014-10-11 06:39:49	@ZdrytchX	but he's probably busy doing his job (he's always on irc thoguh)
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2014-10-11 06:39:56	Swizaw	Hi nabtard
2014-10-11 06:39:56	@DevHC	fallacy: if the site/game is maintained/developed, then it's good
2014-10-11 06:39:57	@DevHC	correction: maintainedness/developedness is almost independent of being complete. there r sites/games that r almost done, and r maintained/developed, and there r crappy sites/games that r maintained/developed
2014-10-11 06:40:01	nabtard	hi
2014-10-11 06:40:02	@ZdrytchX	oh gwd
2014-10-11 06:40:10	@ZdrytchX	is nabtard the guy who's going to ovverun the irc channel
2014-10-11 06:40:23	Veyrdite	DevHC: There are a few points of view on this
2014-10-11 06:40:26	Veyrdite	Sorry
2014-10-11 06:40:32	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: ^
2014-10-11 06:40:34	@dGr8LookinSparky	What I'm saying is for Unv's website to take in all trem mods, then the communities and developers would be there, and when unv beta is realeased the trem mods would fade away while unv mods are developed
2014-10-11 06:40:54	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: What are we taking in?  How are we doing this?
2014-10-11 06:40:54	PikaNoChu	a bad first impression is hard to overcome, consumers have so much choice and so little interest
2014-10-11 06:41:03	Veyrdite	As in, what sort of thing are you suggesting?
2014-10-11 06:41:16	PikaNoChu	presentation is not a panacea but it is important
2014-10-11 06:41:29	@DevHC	PikaNoChu: all in all, WHY do u want to make this project?
2014-10-11 06:41:35	@DevHC	what is ur life goal?
2014-10-11 06:41:35	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: (1) The development of a game (2) The community (3) How it appears to new visitors
2014-10-11 06:41:38	Swizaw	PikaNoChu:Your so right.A GOOD impression is crucial,if you look at a game first time and you don't like it no ONE WOULD EVER CONSIDER PLAYING IT.
2014-10-11 06:41:44	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: Unfortunately 2 of those fail for tremulous.net
2014-10-11 06:41:50	@dGr8LookinSparky	basically move acidtu.be, New Edge, and any other trem related site to unv
2014-10-11 06:41:56	Veyrdite	No
2014-10-11 06:42:03	Veyrdite	That would never be accepted by the main devs and project heads
2014-10-11 06:42:12	Veyrdite	They would feel that they have worked hard to make Unvanq what it was
2014-10-11 06:42:17	Veyrdite	... and that you should too
2014-10-11 06:42:23	Veyrdite	(on your projects)
2014-10-11 06:42:36	Veyrdite	It would be 'dragging unvanq back toward gpp projects' to merge sites like that
2014-10-11 06:42:47	Veyrdite	The opinion firmly is to 'move on'
2014-10-11 06:42:53	@ZdrytchX	Swizaw that is true
2014-10-11 06:43:06	@ZdrytchX	Swizaw if you want to know how true this is go visit uberstrike.com or whatgever it is called
2014-10-11 06:43:12	@theinvsblman	yeah, but as i said before
2014-10-11 06:43:17	@dGr8LookinSparky	even if it means bringing an influx of players and developers to accelerate the development of unv to beta at which point the trem mods would become completly obsolete and the community would completly move to unv?
2014-10-11 06:43:20	@theinvsblman	it would be a good move is unvanquished had a benefit
2014-10-11 06:43:24	Veyrdite	"Why are we having to host these random websites" "we are unvanquished, not these communities"
2014-10-11 06:43:25	@ZdrytchX	it has VERY STRONG IMPRESSION but IT IS A SHIT GAME with A SUPER SHIT FREMIUM SYSTEM
2014-10-11 06:43:33	@theinvsblman	e.g. ams is developing a stats sysetm
2014-10-11 06:43:34	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: How would it do this?
2014-10-11 06:43:35	@ZdrytchX	but it's a lesson I learnt
2014-10-11 06:43:45	Veyrdite	I'm going to be mean and forward
2014-10-11 06:43:46	@theinvsblman	what if unvanquished could use them too?
2014-10-11 06:43:48	@ZdrytchX	so uberstriike's team actually did a pretty damn good job
2014-10-11 06:43:50	Veyrdite	The developers enjoy what they are doing
2014-10-11 06:43:55	@ZdrytchX	they are even earning al iving off rhat game
2014-10-11 06:44:03	MadHops	@zdrytchX i played that for 2 days, god i loved it the first hour, boy was it a waste of time
2014-10-11 06:44:03	Veyrdite	They, and I, don't really see what that would bring to Unvanq
2014-10-11 06:44:09	@ZdrytchX	most customers of which are 10-18 year oolds
2014-10-11 06:44:11	Veyrdite	It wouldn't really accelerate dev to have more players around
2014-10-11 06:44:13	@ZdrytchX	lol MadHops
2014-10-11 06:44:15	@ZdrytchX	you agree?
2014-10-11 06:44:20	@ZdrytchX	MadHops I actually played that for two weeks
2014-10-11 06:44:21	@theinvsblman	Veyrdite, players and developers
2014-10-11 06:44:26	@ZdrytchX	I went up to like level 40
2014-10-11 06:44:29	Veyrdite	... and the players brought would be people already aware of projects like Unvanq
2014-10-11 06:44:30	MadHops	yeah
2014-10-11 06:44:33	Veyrdite	(for the most part)
2014-10-11 06:44:37	cu-kai	you cant join something and play it for 2hr then decide its shit
2014-10-11 06:44:38	Veyrdite	I'm not the best person to talk to about this
2014-10-11 06:44:40	cu-kai	thats absolutely retarded
2014-10-11 06:44:42	MadHops	fake advertising got most people in
2014-10-11 06:44:47	Veyrdite	I'm trying to be an in-between and guess what people are going to hink
2014-10-11 06:44:47	@dGr8LookinSparky	not just the players, but you would also get the gpp and 1.1 developers
2014-10-11 06:44:48	Veyrdite	*think
2014-10-11 06:44:51	@ZdrytchX	had *just enough money* to buy my first rocket launcher and the reserve/default shotgun (you lose the shotgun adn sniper after first 7 days)
2014-10-11 06:45:00	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: It would be best to ask about this directly on #unvanquished-dev
2014-10-11 06:45:01	@ZdrytchX	the moneh is earnt by killing players
2014-10-11 06:45:10	@theinvsblman	yeah, we need kharnov here
2014-10-11 06:45:23	MadHops	kai please, you literally have to pay there, i believe they even put you in with noobs the first match, then with pros the next so you buy shit to have a chance
2014-10-11 06:45:27	@ZdrytchX	kharnov is sucha great public speaker
2014-10-11 06:45:29	Veyrdite	I'm sure however the answer will be now, Unvanq will not start hosting other people's and projects sites
2014-10-11 06:45:33	MadHops	i can see that that's a shit game in 2 hours
2014-10-11 06:45:33	@DevHC	ZdrytchX: fuck off
2014-10-11 06:45:37	Veyrdite	The benefits will not be seen as large enough
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2014-10-11 06:45:45	@ZdrytchX	althogh people who are "smarter than the usual" such as DevHC will tend to dislike him
2014-10-11 06:45:51	NewSource1	hmmm
2014-10-11 06:45:53	PikaNoChu	i don't really see why unv would need to host those things
2014-10-11 06:45:59	Swizaw	same
2014-10-11 06:46:06	@ZdrytchX	which is why maybe i like DevHC, because I'm inferior to him
2014-10-11 06:46:07	Veyrdite	Perhaps I'm misinterpreting then
2014-10-11 06:46:09	NewSource1	im just joined to #tremulous chat for ask to Timbo  Agnus...
2014-10-11 06:46:10	@dGr8LookinSparky	it would in effect be temporary
2014-10-11 06:46:14	Swizaw	Moving all into unvq isn't really good idea
2014-10-11 06:46:15	PikaNoChu	at best it would just be confusing i think
2014-10-11 06:46:32	Veyrdite	I think the communities need to merge around tremulous.net for the best impact
2014-10-11 06:46:35	@theinvsblman	yeah, i would prefer to leave unvanquished out of this
2014-10-11 06:46:36	@DevHC	NewSource1: explain
2014-10-11 06:46:37	PikaNoChu	new players would see 2 games and that would just further the issue with the split player base
2014-10-11 06:46:43	@theinvsblman	and host everything at trem.net
2014-10-11 06:46:58	@theinvsblman	but no one from trem.net cares
2014-10-11 06:47:01	Veyrdite	Unvanq seperate from trem.net would probably work better
2014-10-11 06:47:02	Swizaw	exactly
2014-10-11 06:47:07	Swizaw	no1 at trem.net cares at all
2014-10-11 06:47:34	@dGr8LookinSparky	I'm just suggesting a possible next best thing to Tremulous.net incase they are not cooperative
2014-10-11 06:47:47	MadHops	on unv's website it literally says: Thanks DarkLegion Development for providing us with "Tremulous" Would be weird to make unv part of trem then...
2014-10-11 06:48:19	Veyrdite	Tim Angus does indeed own the tremulous.net domain.  Is he a nice person and accesible?
2014-10-11 06:48:32	@theinvsblman	afaik doesn't give a shit about trem anymore
2014-10-11 06:48:36	@ZdrytchX	Veyrdite i've  tlaked to him like 10 times in my whole life
2014-10-11 06:48:38	@ZdrytchX	that is, on irc
2014-10-11 06:48:40	@theinvsblman	except the murnatan thing
2014-10-11 06:48:50	@dGr8LookinSparky	didn't you say that until you get to beta, marketing to new player is not a high priority?
2014-10-11 06:48:51	MadHops	Timbo doesn't give two shits about trem anymore
2014-10-11 06:48:56	@ZdrytchX	DevHC did timbo ever talk on the tremulous radio when it used to air?
2014-10-11 06:49:03	@theinvsblman	where he reported trem2 devs for copyright infringement
2014-10-11 06:49:07	@ZdrytchX	the radio files are too damn large
2014-10-11 06:49:07	@DevHC	don't know
2014-10-11 06:49:15	Veyrdite	Regardless of whether he cares, would be be able to convince him to transfer the domain to someone?
2014-10-11 06:49:22	Veyrdite	(let's ignore who for now: that's a hard question)
2014-10-11 06:49:22	NewSource1	im  see now bug
2014-10-11 06:49:36	@theinvsblman	no idea, but we should try it
2014-10-11 06:49:39	NewSource1	я  лучше на русском скажу.
2014-10-11 06:49:46	@DevHC	ok
2014-10-11 06:49:48	@ZdrytchX	Veyrdite that's like asking a veteran to sell his aircraft that he flew in the war
2014-10-11 06:49:56	@ZdrytchX	for a measily ordinary price
2014-10-11 06:49:59	PikaNoChu	:D
2014-10-11 06:50:04	@ZdrytchX	it's kind of rude
2014-10-11 06:50:04	Veyrdite	We could be lucky
2014-10-11 06:50:07	Veyrdite	It's worth a try
2014-10-11 06:50:11	NewSource1	Я просто перешёл в чат Tremulous но почему-то здесь еще отображаеться, что я здесь...
2014-10-11 06:50:17	Veyrdite	He might not mind: nothing is to be gained by not asking
2014-10-11 06:50:25	@ZdrytchX	especially considering that timbo along with other developers spent a lot of time producing tremulous
2014-10-11 06:50:27	@GlobalWarming	we don't need tremulous.net domain, we can make any domain to rank higher than that and provide a better coverage. Its matter of organization and time (that is my personal opinion based on my knowledge as web dev.)
2014-10-11 06:50:33	@dGr8LookinSparky	Veyrdite: is it unv's position to really focus on getting new players after the beta release?
2014-10-11 06:50:36	Veyrdite	Ok
2014-10-11 06:50:38	PikaNoChu	he's not going to give it to some random idealist stranger
2014-10-11 06:50:38	NewSource1	Сейчас я в двух чатах, этот  и официальный чат Tremulous...
2014-10-11 06:50:41	@ZdrytchX	NewSource1 if you have trouble translating, use translate.google.com
2014-10-11 06:50:43	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: Yes
2014-10-11 06:50:50	@ZdrytchX	before posting back here
2014-10-11 06:50:53	Swizaw	NewSource:Stop speaking russian..
2014-10-11 06:50:53	@DevHC	NewSource1: yes, PROBLEM?
2014-10-11 06:50:55	@theinvsblman	GlobalWarming, what's your idea for a domain?
2014-10-11 06:50:55	NewSource1	im ask to devhc
2014-10-11 06:51:00	NewSource1	it know rus
2014-10-11 06:51:03	MadHops	are we playing dota 2 or something? Newsource stop talking russian
2014-10-11 06:51:11	Swizaw	lmao
2014-10-11 06:51:12	NewSource1	Секунду!
2014-10-11 06:51:13	@dGr8LookinSparky	so what is the problem with having trem mods on unv during that time?
2014-10-11 06:51:15	Veyrdite	GlobalWarming: We can go with this then :)
2014-10-11 06:51:16	@GlobalWarming	theinvsblman: for example, we can use the new TLDs, like: tremulous.game
2014-10-11 06:51:17	@ZdrytchX	"PNA PNA!"
2014-10-11 06:51:25	@ZdrytchX	that's the only thing i know in russian
2014-10-11 06:51:28	PikaNoChu	GlobalWarming: omg that is genius
2014-10-11 06:51:28	@dGr8LookinSparky	until beta that is?
2014-10-11 06:51:30	NewSource1	im restart  browser
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2014-10-11 06:51:42	@ZdrytchX	newsource crashed
2014-10-11 06:51:45	@ZdrytchX	hue hue
2014-10-11 06:51:46	Veyrdite	I would encourage people to mod and play with Unvanquished
2014-10-11 06:51:46	MadHops	+1
2014-10-11 06:51:50	Swizaw	he said he'd restart browser
2014-10-11 06:51:55	Veyrdite	Please start with our wiki www.unvanquished.net/wiki
2014-10-11 06:51:57	@ZdrytchX	he's going back to oldsourcem ode
2014-10-11 06:51:58	Swizaw	inb4 russia
2014-10-11 06:51:59	Veyrdite	... which has some useful information
2014-10-11 06:52:06	@DevHC	i would encourage ppl to mod and play with Tremulous
2014-10-11 06:52:14	Veyrdite	and also our repo at www.github.com/unvanquished/unvanquished
2014-10-11 06:52:16	MadHops	veyrdite i would try unvanquished but since i have a crackbook that will be hard
2014-10-11 06:52:19	Veyrdite	DevHC: Over Unvanq?
2014-10-11 06:52:26	@ZdrytchX	Veyrdite I still wouldn't mod unvannquished with its developement
2014-10-11 06:52:30	Veyrdite	MadHops: Try anyway.  You might be surprised
2014-10-11 06:52:32	@ZdrytchX	unless we somehow had an auto-patch function
2014-10-11 06:52:33	@dGr8LookinSparky	would unv mind if their wiki was filling up with trem mod related stuff?
2014-10-11 06:52:37	Veyrdite	ZdrytchX: We do.  Git
2014-10-11 06:52:47	@DevHC	Veyrdite: yes
2014-10-11 06:52:49	@ZdrytchX	Veyrdite git auto-patch is a mindfuck to work
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2014-10-11 06:52:52	@GlobalWarming	the domain is not as important as the content. To rank higher we need lots of information, media, LINKING, etc.
2014-10-11 06:52:58	NewSource	OPk
2014-10-11 06:53:03	NewSource	Ok im here
2014-10-11 06:53:07	MadHops	great...
2014-10-11 06:53:08	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: I don't think it would be a problem, as long as it was done neatly.  Keep the page in a mods/ subfolder and make it clear it's not Unvanquished derived
2014-10-11 06:53:13	NewSource	Dark
2014-10-11 06:53:15	Swizaw	Playing on UNV = 10 fps
2014-10-11 06:53:21	NewSource	Lol swiz
2014-10-11 06:53:25	NewSource	im have 100 fps  in unv
2014-10-11 06:53:26	@ZdrytchX	See! Even Swizaw has the problem I do!
2014-10-11 06:53:30	@ZdrytchX	IT ISN'T ONLY ME
2014-10-11 06:53:33	Veyrdite	Swizaw: Can you list hardware?  We might be able to help
2014-10-11 06:53:41	NewSource	because im have mega video card (Nvidia GTS 650 ti  boost)
2014-10-11 06:53:41	Swizaw	its old pc
2014-10-11 06:53:42	cu-kai	I have about 40 or so fps in unv
2014-10-11 06:53:42	Swizaw	2007
2014-10-11 06:53:46	cu-kai	but my PC doesn't like vsync
2014-10-11 06:53:48	@ZdrytchX	Veyrdite might, for once, you didn't say "will" thank gwd
2014-10-11 06:53:49	PikaNoChu	i get like 200 fps, but when there's 3 guys on screen it drops to 20 :/
2014-10-11 06:54:04	@GlobalWarming	lol.. so play by yourself
2014-10-11 06:54:08	PikaNoChu	:P
2014-10-11 06:54:11	@ZdrytchX	cu-kai tip: don't use vsync, problem solved
2014-10-11 06:54:12	Veyrdite	PikaNoChu: Report this, please :D
2014-10-11 06:54:18	@dGr8LookinSparky	If that is ok, hy not have a section of the website for trem mod bboards (forums)?
2014-10-11 06:54:24	Veyrdite	PikaNoChu: www.github.com/unvanquished/unvanquished/issues
2014-10-11 06:54:36	Veyrdite	PikaNoChu: List your hardware, drivers, OS and any other interesting conditions
2014-10-11 06:54:41	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite: i haven't checked the latest alpha yet, i'd prefer to do that first
2014-10-11 06:54:45	@ZdrytchX	Veyrdite last time I posted a bug there I was told not to post a bug there
2014-10-11 06:54:51	@ZdrytchX	or something like that
2014-10-11 06:54:53	@GlobalWarming	lol
2014-10-11 06:54:54	Veyrdite	Were you given a reason?
2014-10-11 06:55:01	@ZdrytchX	can't remember
2014-10-11 06:55:06	Veyrdite	It is unlikely you would be told off unless you did not give enough information
2014-10-11 06:55:12	@ZdrytchX	no
2014-10-11 06:55:19	Veyrdite	Always keep in mind the POV of the people trying to help you :)
2014-10-11 06:55:21	@ZdrytchX	the problem is I gave TOO MUCH information
2014-10-11 06:55:54	@ZdrytchX	and was incomprehensible to the likes of (cough cough, devhc might not like this word) "normal" "ordinary" people
2014-10-11 06:55:55	@theinvsblman	as far as i remember, no one cared much about zdrytchx because his hardware is ridiculously old
2014-10-11 06:56:15	@DevHC	Veyrdite: create a proper binary
2014-10-11 06:56:22	@dGr8LookinSparky	here is a question: can the acidtu.be and New Edge databases be linked to a mod forums part of the unvanquished website?
2014-10-11 06:56:26	@ZdrytchX	theinvsblman as far as I know you didn't know anything until about half a year ago about my hardware issues with unvanquished
2014-10-11 06:56:41	Swizaw	Please.
2014-10-11 06:56:41	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: It's worth a try
2014-10-11 06:56:42	@DevHC	Veyrdite: it's a crappy method of development when u create some crappy binary, and then ask ppl to report bugs
2014-10-11 06:56:51	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: Prepare your argument and bring it to our IRC, see how it goes
2014-10-11 06:56:58	@ZdrytchX	dGr8LookinSparky explain by "a mod forums part"
2014-10-11 06:57:09	Veyrdite	DevHC: Please specify what is wrong with the binaries, and which binaries you are using
2014-10-11 06:57:14	Veyrdite	Ie OS
2014-10-11 06:57:22	Swizaw	Stop with the lets all go to unv because it's more 'updated'.Tremulous is an old and free game therefore most of us have OLD pc's and unv has no player base at all and NOONE will use any money to get a better HW for a free game.
2014-10-11 06:57:23	Veyrdite	I can't help you if you don't explain :(
2014-10-11 06:57:37	Veyrdite	Swizaw: not at all
2014-10-11 06:57:39	@ZdrytchX	Veyrdite he isn't using yoru binaries probably because he doesn't trust them
2014-10-11 06:57:42	Veyrdite	Swizaw: We aim for Unvanq to be fast
2014-10-11 06:57:46	Veyrdite	Swizaw: It's just not there yet :)
2014-10-11 06:57:46	@ZdrytchX	or rather he doesn't want to
2014-10-11 06:57:58	Veyrdite	I doubt that is the issue Z :)
2014-10-11 06:58:11	PikaNoChu	i think integration with unvanquished is problematic at best, we should probably just link
2014-10-11 06:58:11	@DevHC	Veyrdite: no, i shouldn't specify what hardware and OS i'm using; u should make it such that the binaries work everywhere
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2014-10-11 06:58:23	@theinvsblman	Swizaw, no one wants to play an old game
2014-10-11 06:58:30	@theinvsblman	tremulous is losing players
2014-10-11 06:58:32	@Shadow`	yeah i want to play on a 286 and i should!
2014-10-11 06:58:39	Veyrdite	DevHC: Hmm.  I see how you are looking at this
2014-10-11 06:58:45	@GlobalWarming	PikaNoChu: what about giving away video cards for the tracker winers? that will help people to get into Unv :)
2014-10-11 06:58:45	@dGr8LookinSparky	Swiz, the idea is to have unv and trem live side by side until unv would be ready for our communities to move their, i.e. good on older hardware, and practacal for modding
2014-10-11 06:58:48	Veyrdite	DevHC:  We do our best, but we are after all volounteers
2014-10-11 06:58:53	zolk3ri	Я приехал из Dota 2 Добрый день!
2014-10-11 06:59:00	MadHops	still most players are kids, broke ass kids with no money...
2014-10-11 06:59:00	Veyrdite	DevHC: If you have problems, then the only way for them to get fixed is to help us help you
2014-10-11 06:59:01	@ZdrytchX	Veyrdite my username known to most people is "ViruS" so feel free to call me that instead of "Z" if doing "Zd"-[press tab] is too troublesome
2014-10-11 06:59:07	@DevHC	zolk3ri: gwd day :P
2014-10-11 06:59:07	Veyrdite	DevHC: We can't fix things we don't know about
2014-10-11 06:59:11	PikaNoChu	GlobalWarming: well, that would presume they would have to be better than what they have :P
2014-10-11 06:59:16	zolk3ri	DevHC: Do you play Dota 2?
2014-10-11 06:59:22	zolk3ri	DevHC: Hey.
2014-10-11 06:59:37	PikaNoChu	zolk3ri: please use pm for non english talk
2014-10-11 06:59:37	@dGr8LookinSparky	Swizaw:  , the idea is to have unv and trem live side by side until unv would be ready for our communities to move their, i.e. good on older hardware, and practacal for modding
2014-10-11 06:59:40	@Shadow`	most BF4 playesr are kids, broke ass kids with no money
2014-10-11 06:59:40	Swizaw	Just a friendly reminder not all of us or most of us are russian here.
2014-10-11 06:59:41	@ZdrytchX	zolk3ri pm him that
2014-10-11 06:59:43	@GlobalWarming	PikaNoChu: we can leave it as an option. I can get really good cards here fore very cheap prices.
2014-10-11 06:59:43	@DevHC	zolk3ri: no; and it is off-topic unless u see a portable idea in Dota 2
2014-10-11 06:59:59	PikaNoChu	GlobalWarming: cool :) donate one to virus :P
2014-10-11 07:00:10	@DevHC	Veyrdite: "i'm just a volunteer" is a crappy argument -- no reason why u don't get any traction
2014-10-11 07:00:23	Veyrdite	DevHC: It's not an argument.  It's the truth
2014-10-11 07:00:24	@DevHC	no suprize*
2014-10-11 07:00:26	Veyrdite	We are not earning money
2014-10-11 07:00:32	@DevHC	no surprize*
2014-10-11 07:00:37	Swizaw	surprise*
2014-10-11 07:00:38	Veyrdite	We only make the game because we enjoy it
2014-10-11 07:00:42	@ZdrytchX	PikaNoChu I don't think this computer allows modifications except spare ram slot
2014-10-11 07:00:44	@DevHC	Swizaw: that b OLD(TM) english
2014-10-11 07:00:48	Veyrdite	The developers are against donations and earning money on the Unvanq project
2014-10-11 07:00:48	@GlobalWarming	ZdrytchX: did your PC has PCI Express? I can give a card I don't use. Its a good card (like 3 years old)
2014-10-11 07:00:52	Veyrdite	They just want it to be something fun
2014-10-11 07:00:53	MadHops	as you should veyrdite
2014-10-11 07:00:58	@ZdrytchX	GlobalWarming i'll link you an image
2014-10-11 07:00:59	Veyrdite	They don't owe anyone anything
2014-10-11 07:01:05	@GlobalWarming	ok
2014-10-11 07:01:13	Swizaw	Veyrdite:its an free open source game we owe them they don't owe us
2014-10-11 07:01:13	@Shadow`	is it an old HP pc ZdrytchX? xd
2014-10-11 07:01:17	@Shadow`	or compaq
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2014-10-11 07:01:25	@DevHC	Veyrdite: i owe humanity a lot, but in any case, a project that's well-done
2014-10-11 07:01:38	@Shadow`	or any other faggot company whose systems will break if you put in other hardware? xd
2014-10-11 07:01:54	@ZdrytchX	since more than one person is requesting, i'll just post it here then https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10636198_10204889180250686_5085954994669564757_n.jpg?oh=f830e9711ae25658a0d18f04cfd906e1&oe=54BDA083&__gda__=1421362390_54ca149bd98a902974eb96014dd87432
2014-10-11 07:01:56	@dGr8LookinSparky	I would like to bring up this other important topic: http://vote.acidtu.be/?view=2
2014-10-11 07:01:57	@DevHC	do u know why open source got attractive? it's cuz in the old days, volunteers worked hard to create good code
2014-10-11 07:01:58	Veyrdite	Swizaw: I think we are confusing 'we' 'they' etc :D
2014-10-11 07:02:06	@ZdrytchX	the specs available was from here: http://www.lenovo.com/shop/americas/content/pdf/notebooks/Essential/G-Series/G550%20Datasheet.pdf
2014-10-11 07:02:27	Veyrdite	On this granger tracker topic: you do not need an Unvanquished bot
2014-10-11 07:02:29	@Shadow`	oh lenovo
2014-10-11 07:02:29	@dGr8LookinSparky	I would like to bring up this other important topic: http://vote.acidtu.be/?view=2
2014-10-11 07:02:32	@DevHC	nowadays open source is a world of trash, where everyone just "uploads" every crappy creation he/she can make
2014-10-11 07:02:33	Veyrdite	We can just implement a protocol into the server
2014-10-11 07:02:35	@GlobalWarming	Is that a laptop?
2014-10-11 07:02:38	Veyrdite	... so you don't need a hack like this
2014-10-11 07:02:40	@Shadow`	u can add/update the hardware xd
2014-10-11 07:02:49	@Shadow`	oh laptop
2014-10-11 07:02:50	@Shadow`	xd
2014-10-11 07:02:54	@DevHC	if u don't feel like volunteering to make a good result, don't volunteer at all
2014-10-11 07:02:58	Veyrdite	This will be hard to do however, and probably won't provide large gains
2014-10-11 07:02:59	Swizaw	Why is someone selling me a computer
2014-10-11 07:03:00	Swizaw	lol
2014-10-11 07:03:01	@theinvsblman	the best way to do it is to invent a game-agnostic protocol for stats tracking
2014-10-11 07:03:08	@dGr8LookinSparky	I was figuring that, the bot idea is more for 1.1 servers
2014-10-11 07:03:09	@theinvsblman	so all games could use it
2014-10-11 07:03:29	@Shadow`	theinvsblman: tremulous does not report back score when you request statistics
2014-10-11 07:03:44	@theinvsblman	let's make it do that
2014-10-11 07:03:50	@Shadow`	update 1.1 and gpp xd
2014-10-11 07:03:54	Veyrdite	DevHC: Can you see my PM messages?
2014-10-11 07:03:57	@GlobalWarming	theinvsblman: what do you mean?
2014-10-11 07:04:00	@DevHC	Veyrdite: yes
2014-10-11 07:04:14	@Shadow`	a battlelog for tremulous/unv
2014-10-11 07:04:19	@theinvsblman	the stats system i'm thinking of would consist of 3 elements
2014-10-11 07:04:28	@theinvsblman	1. a universal protocol for sending stats
2014-10-11 07:04:37	@dGr8LookinSparky	cu-ams: are you still here?
2014-10-11 07:04:42	@Shadow`	good luck getting anyone to update the tremulous files
2014-10-11 07:04:50	@theinvsblman	2. a server for collecting them and displaying them as a web page. this part could be identical for all games
2014-10-11 07:05:03	@Shadow`	theinvsblman: in short. a battlelog :P
2014-10-11 07:05:13	@theinvsblman	3. a patch for trem and unv servers
2014-10-11 07:05:19	@GlobalWarming	theinvsblman: have you seen the tracker we are developing? : http://tremstats.alepe.com
2014-10-11 07:05:29	@dGr8LookinSparky	cu-ams: has been focusing alot on a detailed stats system for New Edge
2014-10-11 07:05:37	@Shadow`	GlobalWarming it does not track round scorse
2014-10-11 07:05:39	@Shadow`	scor
2014-10-11 07:05:39	@Shadow`	e
2014-10-11 07:05:40	cu-kai	only for new-edge though, sparky
2014-10-11 07:05:44	@theinvsblman	yeah, it would be great if it could work for unvanquished as well
2014-10-11 07:05:44	cu-ams	yeah.. ive been implementing that lately
2014-10-11 07:05:50	cu-kai	it tracks score, kills, most used weapon, etc by guid
2014-10-11 07:05:51	@Shadow`	and even then, the game servers need to send the score to a central server
2014-10-11 07:06:01	@Shadow`	otherwise we need a server that is constantly polling all the gameservers
2014-10-11 07:06:10	@theinvsblman	yes, a master server
2014-10-11 07:06:16	PikaNoChu	we had an idea to have a bot spectator monitor the console :P
2014-10-11 07:06:19	cu-ams	yeah.. thats how the new edge stats system will work
2014-10-11 07:06:21	@ZdrytchX	<DevHC> [nowadays open source is a world of trash] - The population that has access to the internet is too great probably.
2014-10-11 07:06:22	PikaNoChu	on any active servers :P
2014-10-11 07:06:26	@dGr8LookinSparky	cu-ams, what do you think about applying you stats code to the granger tracker and unv?
2014-10-11 07:06:36	@Shadow`	edge is just one server, best would be all servers doing the same
2014-10-11 07:06:49	@ZdrytchX	to be honest I didn't even have a computer until I was about 8 years old, and that was windows ME. I am 18 right now btw
2014-10-11 07:06:50	Swizaw	Edge is the most populated server by far
2014-10-11 07:07:01	cu-ams	possibly... though considering the talk weve been having here... what does edge stand to gain from that?
2014-10-11 07:07:04	@Shadow`	cause there's only 10-20 people playing
2014-10-11 07:07:18	@Shadow`	tremulous staying alive and growing
2014-10-11 07:07:23	Swizaw	We've only been talking about moving stuff to unvq,idea i don't really like
2014-10-11 07:07:25	Swizaw	lel
2014-10-11 07:07:26	@theinvsblman	unvanquished wants a stats system, edge wants a stats system
2014-10-11 07:07:30	@theinvsblman	so why not cooperate?
2014-10-11 07:07:36	Swizaw	Edge has stats system almost made
2014-10-11 07:07:39	Swizaw	afaik
2014-10-11 07:07:45	cu-kai	edge's stats system is done already
2014-10-11 07:07:49	@Shadow`	at least use a standard protocol
2014-10-11 07:07:52	cu-kai	we're putting final touches on it
2014-10-11 07:07:54	@GlobalWarming	cu-ams: its about what the whole tremulous community will gain with that... that is why the tracker is being developed
2014-10-11 07:07:56	@ZdrytchX	Shadow` tremulous is indeed growing... BUT it is dying slightly faster so the equilibrium is still considered "dying"
2014-10-11 07:08:29	@Shadow`	i dont think i've seen more than 10 new people th e last year
2014-10-11 07:08:42	PikaNoChu	i almost installed trem by accident myself
2014-10-11 07:08:51	Swizaw	I don't see what's happening all i gathered from this meeting is we couldn't get in touch with tremulous.net and you all want to move stuff to unv and let unv rule the world.And some ideas on keeping players on trem and don't make new players leave.
2014-10-11 07:08:59	PikaNoChu	trem.net didn't convince me much :P
2014-10-11 07:09:11	@Shadow`	Swizaw, unv is the only project that has a promise
2014-10-11 07:09:12	@GlobalWarming	cu-ams: I think your stats system could analyze more details and the current tracker will follow the general stats.
2014-10-11 07:09:15	@Shadow`	tremulous.net = dead
2014-10-11 07:09:18	@Shadow`	has been for 10 years
2014-10-11 07:09:26	@dGr8LookinSparky	the idea is to attack the problem of the communities of 1.1, gpp, and unv being issolated from each other from many front, unifing the communities would mean increased palyer base for gpp and thus edge right away
2014-10-11 07:09:26	@Shadow`	gpp is a 10minute update
2014-10-11 07:09:38	Swizaw	Sparky didn't you have a player base over the years chart?
2014-10-11 07:09:41	@DevHC	theinvsblman: why do u want a stats system at all?
2014-10-11 07:09:49	@Shadow`	cause it gives a RPG feel to it
2014-10-11 07:09:51	@dGr8LookinSparky	a centralised detailed stats system would help with that
2014-10-11 07:09:53	Swizaw	You need players first to have a stats system lmao
2014-10-11 07:09:57	@Shadow`	people like their e-penis
2014-10-11 07:09:58	@ZdrytchX	Shadow` I met you, NewSource, PikaNoChu, GlobalWarming , Swizaw (i don't know who he is really to be honest), MadHops, kai
2014-10-11 07:10:01	@Shadow`	gives em more reasont o play
2014-10-11 07:10:03	@theinvsblman	yeah, players want stats
2014-10-11 07:10:08	@ZdrytchX	so it's more than lilely I've met more than 20 new people over the last year
2014-10-11 07:10:10	@Shadow`	swizaw = swizaw ingame
2014-10-11 07:10:11	@Shadow`	lol
2014-10-11 07:10:19	@Shadow`	you, but you dont play
2014-10-11 07:10:23	Swizaw	I do play
2014-10-11 07:10:25	Swizaw	on edge.
2014-10-11 07:10:29	@Shadow`	ye but ZdrytchX doesnt
2014-10-11 07:10:30	cu-kai	he plays all the time shadow ...
2014-10-11 07:10:33	@ZdrytchX	hes freerring to me
2014-10-11 07:10:37	@ZdrytchX	I don't play on EDGE
2014-10-11 07:10:45	@Shadow`	i met ZdrytchX here on irc xd
2014-10-11 07:10:50	@ZdrytchX	there are two main reasons: maps require EDGE-ified maps and the latency
2014-10-11 07:10:59	@ZdrytchX	server requries EDGE-ified maps*]
2014-10-11 07:11:09	@ZdrytchX	I also have a pk3 overload
2014-10-11 07:11:10	MadHops	edge is mainly camp, so i dont really blame you :|
2014-10-11 07:11:23	@Shadow`	edge needs team player updates
2014-10-11 07:11:31	@ZdrytchX	about a third of my pk3 repository on my HDD is actually renamed so it isn't loaded by tremulous
2014-10-11 07:11:35	MadHops	edge needs to get rid of ubp
2014-10-11 07:11:35	Swizaw	Edge does have updates they even have a portal on forum with updates
2014-10-11 07:11:47	@Shadow`	nah the edge way of ubp is neat
2014-10-11 07:11:49	@ZdrytchX	just so I can tolerate two or three more pk3 downloads withotu data-1.1.0.pk3 becoming invalid by getting kicked out of the memmory
2014-10-11 07:11:49	Swizaw	Nah.
2014-10-11 07:12:03	@GlobalWarming	I'm planning on giving prizes for the next year tracker winers. Anyone interested?
2014-10-11 07:12:13	@ZdrytchX	GlobalWarming
2014-10-11 07:12:14	Swizaw	If i owned edge i'd remove colonies/refineries and would add like 200 bp total
2014-10-11 07:12:14	@ZdrytchX	OH ME
2014-10-11 07:12:16	@ZdrytchX	ME ME
2014-10-11 07:12:16	MadHops	shadow there is no fun in playing aliens on edge, humans can just camp and sit behind their 600hp shields
2014-10-11 07:12:19	@ZdrytchX	ILL WIN CUBOID
2014-10-11 07:12:20	Swizaw	GIMME DOSE PRIZES
2014-10-11 07:12:22	PikaNoChu	MadHops: GPP split in two branches, the ubp branch and the vanilla branch. Over time the vanilla branch just died of, GPP only wants ubp it seems
2014-10-11 07:12:23	Swizaw	lel
2014-10-11 07:12:23	@ZdrytchX	GIVE ME GRANGER\
2014-10-11 07:12:26	@dGr8LookinSparky	stats with enough details isn't just about ranking players, it tells the players where they need to improve, and can tell servers/mods where balance can be adjusted
2014-10-11 07:12:27	@ZdrytchX	ME WANT GRANGEr
2014-10-11 07:12:29	NewSource	where me download UNVAQUISHED 1st alpha?
2014-10-11 07:12:34	@Shadow`	MadHops: since when are shields actively used, lol
2014-10-11 07:12:40	@Shadow`	unvanquished.net
2014-10-11 07:12:50	@theinvsblman	why would you want alpha 1?
2014-10-11 07:12:51	MadHops	shadow since they were implemented, duh
2014-10-11 07:13:04	Swizaw	Shields are used commonly
2014-10-11 07:13:05	@ZdrytchX	PikaNoChu that's generalisation, but you're correct
2014-10-11 07:13:05	Swizaw	i do use em
2014-10-11 07:13:09	@GlobalWarming	through the tracker we want to motivate players to play in different servers and games (1.1, GPP, Unv)
2014-10-11 07:13:20	@Shadow`	[16:12:34] <@GlobalWarming> through the tracker we want to motivate players
2014-10-11 07:13:21	@Shadow`	fixed
2014-10-11 07:13:24	@ZdrytchX	the "vanilla" generalised branch died off because US-officials died
2014-10-11 07:13:25	@GlobalWarming	also we will try to motivate team work as much as possible
2014-10-11 07:13:30	MadHops	humans have to much campability, they dont get punished for sitting in base while aliens do
2014-10-11 07:13:32	@Shadow`	people like stats, they like to see if they 'own'
2014-10-11 07:13:32	@ZdrytchX	support was cut off
2014-10-11 07:13:36	MadHops	tthat's main problem with edge
2014-10-11 07:13:50	Swizaw	What's the problem with edge?I didn't got it
2014-10-11 07:13:57	MadHops	2 lines up
2014-10-11 07:13:57	Swizaw	Oh nvm
2014-10-11 07:13:59	@Shadow`	its boring Swizaw
2014-10-11 07:14:00	@dGr8LookinSparky	Shadow`: it is not just about shwoing off who pwns
2014-10-11 07:14:07	@Shadow`	for many people thats important
2014-10-11 07:14:08	@Shadow`	:)
2014-10-11 07:14:18	MadHops	sparky yes it is
2014-10-11 07:14:22	@Shadow`	idgaf for stats myself
2014-10-11 07:14:30	@Shadow`	but most people like t he feeling of being awesome pwnage
2014-10-11 07:14:30	@dGr8LookinSparky	like I said:
2014-10-11 07:14:30	Swizaw	Imo humans are stronger as a team while aliens make solo plays,that's why humans get disorganized and lose some times and they resort to camp = not fun
2014-10-11 07:14:35	@dGr8LookinSparky	stats with enough details isn't just about ranking players, it tells the players where they need to improve, and can tell servers/mods where balance can be adjusted
2014-10-11 07:14:36	MadHops	i only want stats to see the amount of granger / blasterino kills
2014-10-11 07:14:36	@GlobalWarming	I like stats just for the sake of it. I like to compare players and servers.
2014-10-11 07:14:53	Swizaw	But all games have this.COD has campers on the floor for hours we have camp games..every game has its updowns
2014-10-11 07:14:58	@Shadow`	dGr8LookinSparky ye for some of us thats how to use statistics
2014-10-11 07:15:12	@Shadow`	but from experience its used "Look at my KD rate" or "omg my kills, i r numero uno"
2014-10-11 07:15:13	MadHops	yeah swizaw, but humans camping has 0 penalties while aliens just get destroyed if they camp
2014-10-11 07:15:24	@Shadow`	camping humans get less credits
2014-10-11 07:15:25	@dGr8LookinSparky	in hich case it would also be a valuable tool for server owners and mod developers
2014-10-11 07:15:28	cu-ams	GlobalWarming: as it is.. i have been planning to open source the stats at some point
2014-10-11 07:15:43	MadHops	shadow edge has a cap of 18evos / 4000c
2014-10-11 07:15:48	MadHops	so yeah, camping doesnt hurt
2014-10-11 07:15:50	cu-ams	but at least the initial versions will be edge only
2014-10-11 07:15:53	@Shadow`	autodonate nedes to be placed back
2014-10-11 07:16:01	@Shadow`	let the better players boost the newbies/noobs
2014-10-11 07:16:07	@Shadow`	so they are more prone to attack
2014-10-11 07:16:10	MadHops	thats not that bad of an idea
2014-10-11 07:16:13	@Shadow`	instead of camping to get a measily amount of credits
2014-10-11 07:16:20	MadHops	usually 3/4 of team is dretch on edge
2014-10-11 07:16:24	MadHops	that would fix some things
2014-10-11 07:16:28	Swizaw	After SD boost evo gain
2014-10-11 07:16:30	@Shadow`	people need to lose some sense of "if i die, i lose my shit'
2014-10-11 07:16:31	Swizaw	since humans can camp for creds
2014-10-11 07:16:32	@GlobalWarming	cu-ams: are you analyzing the logs only or you have a "headless" net bot sitting there?
2014-10-11 07:16:37	Swizaw	and aliens can't get any egos on SD
2014-10-11 07:16:45	@Shadow`	people are afraid to die, so they camp a base or corners
2014-10-11 07:16:50	cu-ams	its from the logs only but imported in real time
2014-10-11 07:17:25	@GlobalWarming	cu-ams: can you know how many different IPs do you have in one day?
2014-10-11 07:17:34	MadHops	Sparky and GlobalWarming, it seems that on botscamp when a flamer is firing and he runs into a wall he keeps shooting, i killed 6 of them so far by trapping them in corners
2014-10-11 07:17:54	MadHops	idk if i should report it on bugs @ acidtube
2014-10-11 07:17:56	MadHops	or something
2014-10-11 07:18:07	@GlobalWarming	cu-ams: I would like to compare that number with what the tracker is reporting. The tracker doesn't count spec players, Unnamed or bots... so I guess it has to be very close
2014-10-11 07:18:15	cu-ams	every player session is recorded (but ip isnt recorded as part of session data atm)
2014-10-11 07:18:39	@Shadow`	geoip stats would be nice too
2014-10-11 07:19:12	@dGr8LookinSparky	MadHops: its a good idea for you to report the big here on acidtu.be
2014-10-11 07:19:29	cu-ams	well.. if i add the ip to each player session
2014-10-11 07:19:48	cu-ams	the rest should be even easier
2014-10-11 07:20:01	MadHops	sparky global already told me he acknowledged it, so i dont think there's much need
2014-10-11 07:20:15	@Shadow`	better to write it down
2014-10-11 07:20:26	@dGr8LookinSparky	ok as long as Global is on top of it :)
2014-10-11 07:20:48	@Shadow`	btw GlobalWarming
2014-10-11 07:21:00	MadHops	bug posted by global on acidtube http://forum.acidtu.be/viewtopic.php?pid=4590#p4590
2014-10-11 07:21:00	@dGr8LookinSparky	there is one more thing I would like to bring up...
2014-10-11 07:21:20	@Shadow`	i got a week off next week, got some time to code
2014-10-11 07:21:27	@Shadow`	did u add the db layer shits yet?
2014-10-11 07:21:48	@GlobalWarming	Yes I added them
2014-10-11 07:22:02	@GlobalWarming	the code is ready to be modified. I will upload it somewhere soon
2014-10-11 07:22:07	 *	Shadow` throws away old code
2014-10-11 07:22:09	@GlobalWarming	(next few days)
2014-10-11 07:22:14	@Shadow`	what it isnt on the acidtube ftp?
2014-10-11 07:22:26	<--	theos (~theos@unaffiliated/theos) has left ##acidtube ("holy cow")
2014-10-11 07:22:28	NewSource	amms
2014-10-11 07:22:29	NewSource	ams
2014-10-11 07:22:43	@GlobalWarming	because I need to prepare the crons to update the stats... at the moment are not set yet, so I can't move the code as its not ready
2014-10-11 07:22:51	@dGr8LookinSparky	trem has a tough learning curve, and the trem mods even more so, that has been a problem with keeping ne players first trying them out, how is unv with new players that never even played trem before in terms of them learning unv?
2014-10-11 07:23:05	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: Somewhat just as bad
2014-10-11 07:23:11	Veyrdite	Our gameplay is not that different
2014-10-11 07:23:15	@Shadow`	dGr8LookinSparky its basically tremulous, so similar xd
2014-10-11 07:23:23	Swizaw	Veyrdite:Basically it's trem with different graphics i suppose.
2014-10-11 07:23:27	@theinvsblman	unvanquished is simpler though
2014-10-11 07:23:38	@theinvsblman	so it's going the right direction
2014-10-11 07:23:43	Veyrdite	Swizaw: No we have changed the gameplay quite a bit -> momentum and match structure
2014-10-11 07:23:49	Veyrdite	... but the overal structure is highly similiar
2014-10-11 07:23:58	Veyrdite	Team based RTS, similiar buildings and classes
2014-10-11 07:24:05	Veyrdite	After that it diverges
2014-10-11 07:24:05	@dGr8LookinSparky	so this is something that should be a high priority problem to solve for everyone here
2014-10-11 07:24:12	Veyrdite	It's difficult to plan for
2014-10-11 07:24:16	@Shadow`	tutorials
2014-10-11 07:24:18	Veyrdite	Ideally our gameplay is going to be rethough out
2014-10-11 07:24:20	@Shadow`	do them like sm ite does
2014-10-11 07:24:21	Swizaw	What is the high priority here?Tutorials.
2014-10-11 07:24:23	Veyrdite	*rethought
2014-10-11 07:24:30	@Shadow`	slap video tutorials into players faces
2014-10-11 07:24:34	Swizaw	+1
2014-10-11 07:24:38	@theinvsblman	edge is way too complicated
2014-10-11 07:24:46	@theinvsblman	too many duplicated features, etc.
2014-10-11 07:24:50	@Shadow`	not complicated enough
2014-10-11 07:24:51	Swizaw	uh?
2014-10-11 07:24:57	@dGr8LookinSparky	theinvsblman: the same can be said about cuboid in terms of complexity
2014-10-11 07:25:06	PikaNoChu	cuboid build system :P
2014-10-11 07:25:07	Swizaw	Edge isn't complicated..cuboid is..edge is simple
2014-10-11 07:25:13	cu-ams	theinvsblman: all trem variants are too complicated for casual players
2014-10-11 07:25:18	cu-ams	but im not sure if thats the playerbase trem is aimed at
2014-10-11 07:25:27	@theinvsblman	yes, but edge has complicated things further
2014-10-11 07:25:33	@theinvsblman	by adding random features to every weapon
2014-10-11 07:25:38	@Shadow`	it has to be noobified a little
2014-10-11 07:25:52	@theinvsblman	imo only unvanquished is doing the right thing
2014-10-11 07:25:52	Swizaw	IT IS SO COMPLICATED THEY ADDED SOME STRUCTURES/SECONDARY FIRES
2014-10-11 07:25:53	PikaNoChu	well, i'll conclude this meeting finished. it was enlightening
2014-10-11 07:25:57	@ZdrytchX	GlobalWarming did you say "prepare the crons"
2014-10-11 07:25:59	PikaNoChu	i'll have to leave in a bit
2014-10-11 07:26:03	@theinvsblman	e.g. by replacing lasgun (a rifle duplicate) with something completely different
2014-10-11 07:26:08	PikaNoChu	cronjobberz
2014-10-11 07:26:09	PikaNoChu	D:
2014-10-11 07:26:11	@theinvsblman	or planning to get rid of chaingun
2014-10-11 07:26:13	@GlobalWarming	yes
2014-10-11 07:26:15	Swizaw	Lasgun isn't rifle lol..Prifle = rifle
2014-10-11 07:26:19	MadHops	tremulous isn't cod, it requires skill and understanding to play, changing that would change trem's concept of gameplay
2014-10-11 07:26:19	@theinvsblman	wtf
2014-10-11 07:26:24	@dGr8LookinSparky	It took me a week to show any 1.1 player the basics of cuboid
2014-10-11 07:26:31	Swizaw	lol.
2014-10-11 07:26:47	@theinvsblman	cuboid is much simpler than rcz though
2014-10-11 07:26:52	Swizaw	No.
2014-10-11 07:26:54	@dGr8LookinSparky	lol
2014-10-11 07:26:56	@theinvsblman	you only have a single buildable with many shapes
2014-10-11 07:27:01	@theinvsblman	instead of 20 random buildables
2014-10-11 07:27:10	@theinvsblman	the control is fucked though, i never fixed that
2014-10-11 07:27:19	@dGr8LookinSparky	your power/mass system adds a lot of complexity
2014-10-11 07:27:23	Swizaw	RCz is basically normal trem with different buildings etc ..cuboid gameplay is more differnet
2014-10-11 07:27:25	@theinvsblman	oh, yes
2014-10-11 07:27:29	@theinvsblman	i meant cuboids the buildables
2014-10-11 07:27:40	@dGr8LookinSparky	I meant cuboid the mod as a whole
2014-10-11 07:27:47	PikaNoChu	well, cuboid never got to the point it wanted to, if anything (very diff gameplay)
2014-10-11 07:27:53	Swizaw	Cuboid is very innovating hard to learn different agmeplay
2014-10-11 07:28:09	@theinvsblman	but on the other hand
2014-10-11 07:28:14	PikaNoChu	it tried too much to be a simulation, imo, though there were a lot of cool ideas
2014-10-11 07:28:22	PikaNoChu	and the granger spit mod <3
2014-10-11 07:28:22	@theinvsblman	cuboid's power system should be more intuitive for someone who's never played trem
2014-10-11 07:28:24	PikaNoChu	perfection
2014-10-11 07:28:25	PikaNoChu	:P
2014-10-11 07:28:31	@dGr8LookinSparky	theinvsblman: was kidnapped by unv before he could finished the remaining features of cuboid
2014-10-11 07:28:49	@dGr8LookinSparky	theinvsblman: blink twice if you are being held against your will
2014-10-11 07:28:53	@theinvsblman	lol
2014-10-11 07:29:03	PikaNoChu	developing for trem just feels archaic
2014-10-11 07:29:07	@ZdrytchX	PikaNoChu "granger love" oh yes
2014-10-11 07:29:18	@theinvsblman	yeah
2014-10-11 07:29:23	@GlobalWarming	theinvsblman: I agree. the power system is just so complicated.... it was a good idea though
2014-10-11 07:29:24	@ZdrytchX	instead of damaging the human we shold get it to heal the humans since the pregnation is a little overpowered
2014-10-11 07:29:27	@Shadow`	so go develop for unv
2014-10-11 07:29:27	PikaNoChu	the only reason i consider unv tbh
2014-10-11 07:29:33	@Shadow`	make it be tremulous 2.0 faster
2014-10-11 07:29:34	@ZdrytchX	i.e. barbs heal the human BUT still have the pregnation abilities
2014-10-11 07:29:42	PikaNoChu	but that's the thing
2014-10-11 07:29:45	PikaNoChu	unv isn't trem
2014-10-11 07:29:51	PikaNoChu	it's not trying to be
2014-10-11 07:29:58	@ZdrytchX	PikaNoChu although unv isn't trem nor is trying to be
2014-10-11 07:30:01	@theinvsblman	unvanquished is trying to be trem done right
2014-10-11 07:30:02	@ZdrytchX	its gameplay is still very similar
2014-10-11 07:30:14	@ZdrytchX	if I had to say, gloom is on a HUUUUUUGE margin away from tremulous
2014-10-11 07:30:19	Swizaw	Gameplay is similar..but overall isn't the same
2014-10-11 07:30:29	@ZdrytchX	take al ook
2014-10-11 07:30:35	@theinvsblman	e.g. the momentum system looks like it's actually working
2014-10-11 07:30:35	PikaNoChu	i miss the cute aliens tho
2014-10-11 07:30:37	@ZdrytchX	gameplay is similar, but the classes are NOT similar at all
2014-10-11 07:30:41	@ZdrytchX	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=heJetHOK7MA
2014-10-11 07:30:47	PikaNoChu	and the ugly humans
2014-10-11 07:30:49	@ZdrytchX	when I say gameplay I mean RTS tactics
2014-10-11 07:30:58	@ZdrytchX	destroy all spawns, destroy all players to win
2014-10-11 07:31:05	@ZdrytchX	turret spamming also exists
2014-10-11 07:31:27	@theinvsblman	imo unvanquished looks much better than trem
2014-10-11 07:31:33	@dGr8LookinSparky	kharnov wanted me to post these links:
2014-10-11 07:31:35	@ZdrytchX	but you can't have as much buildables as a vanilla 100-bp tremulous 1.1 game (which is less than vanilla gpp)
2014-10-11 07:31:38	@theinvsblman	there's one thing that annoys me though
2014-10-11 07:31:41	@dGr8LookinSparky	http://www.unvanquished.net/news/129-alien-building-models
2014-10-11 07:31:50	@dGr8LookinSparky	http://www.unvanquished.net/news/128-human-building-models
2014-10-11 07:31:53	Swizaw	it does...it does require a good HW also and no one will switch to a non existent player base game
2014-10-11 07:32:02	@theinvsblman	in trem, models contrast a lot with the map
2014-10-11 07:32:05	@dGr8LookinSparky	http://www.unvanquished.net/news/127-alien-player-models
2014-10-11 07:32:07	@theinvsblman	so you can clearly see your target
2014-10-11 07:32:13	@dGr8LookinSparky	http://www.unvanquished.net/news/126-human-player-models
2014-10-11 07:32:14	@theinvsblman	in unvanquished the contrast is much lower
2014-10-11 07:32:52	@Shadow`	thats cause tremulous is running on q3 engine
2014-10-11 07:32:54	@Shadow`	which is ancient
2014-10-11 07:33:02	@theinvsblman	btw. for the record, i was thinking that unv looks like shit too
2014-10-11 07:33:07	@theinvsblman	but it's just a matter of getting used to the different models
2014-10-11 07:33:12	Veyrdite	If you turn vertex lighting on in Unvanq you can obtain similiar results
2014-10-11 07:33:12	PikaNoChu	deluxemapping turns me off though :P single vector sucks for doing bumpmapping
2014-10-11 07:33:18	@Shadow`	UT3 models barely contrast to the map vs UT GOTY models and the map
2014-10-11 07:33:29	@dGr8LookinSparky	idk about the granger
2014-10-11 07:33:31	@theinvsblman	yeah, deluxemapping is just plain weird
2014-10-11 07:33:37	@theinvsblman	it looks kind of nice but sometimes it breaks so badly
2014-10-11 07:33:41	Veyrdite	I'm not a fan of many of the new Unv models either, but they're new
2014-10-11 07:33:46	Veyrdite	granger--
2014-10-11 07:33:49	Veyrdite	Old granger was cuter :D
2014-10-11 07:33:54	PikaNoChu	hrmmwhraa
2014-10-11 07:33:58	Veyrdite	hghghghghgh
2014-10-11 07:34:04	@theinvsblman	granger is the only model i don't like much in unvanquished
2014-10-11 07:34:06	PikaNoChu	*splat*
2014-10-11 07:34:11	Veyrdite	!!!!!!!!
2014-10-11 07:34:13	@theinvsblman	the modeller tried to make it cute but it looks retarded :P
2014-10-11 07:34:15	 *	Veyrdite kills PikaNoChu
2014-10-11 07:34:20	@dGr8LookinSparky	lol
2014-10-11 07:34:25	@ZdrytchX	theinvsblman I agree with that, but it isn't the only model I don't like
2014-10-11 07:34:31	@ZdrytchX	I don't like the marauder
2014-10-11 07:34:34	Veyrdite	There are some fun screenshots of the granger looked glitched somewhere...
2014-10-11 07:34:44	@ZdrytchX	I prefer the old zappy marauders with zappy ears and zappy body fluid
2014-10-11 07:34:54	PikaNoChu	i don't like the 'realism' of unv as much as the cutesy cartoony look of trem, though i don't hate it either
2014-10-11 07:35:01	PikaNoChu	unv looks too 'serious' i think :P
2014-10-11 07:35:04	Veyrdite	IMHO gameplay > graphics
2014-10-11 07:35:06	@theinvsblman	imo it's good
2014-10-11 07:35:08	PikaNoChu	true dat.
2014-10-11 07:35:08	Veyrdite	Unv is very strange in one way
2014-10-11 07:35:09	@theinvsblman	the realism
2014-10-11 07:35:10	@dGr8LookinSparky	maybe give the granger some fur or feathers?
2014-10-11 07:35:13	Swizaw	PikaNoChu:+1 too real
2014-10-11 07:35:16	Veyrdite	We have models before anything else
2014-10-11 07:35:20	Veyrdite	Most game projects work the other way around
2014-10-11 07:35:35	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite: yeah it's weird
2014-10-11 07:35:39	@theinvsblman	yeah, because it turned out that coding takes much more time
2014-10-11 07:35:52	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite: open source games always struggle with art? what did kharnov do? :P
2014-10-11 07:35:59	Veyrdite	It's also because we have people like kharnov who find artists constantly and chase them up for work
2014-10-11 07:36:07	PikaNoChu	theinvsblman: has to do with the complexity of the codebase?
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2014-10-11 07:36:12	Veyrdite	kharnov does a lot of organisation of people
2014-10-11 07:36:27	Veyrdite	He does not really work on the project directly, and he farts a lot in IRC, but he's actually rather good
2014-10-11 07:36:31	@theinvsblman	the codebase itself is good but it's old
2014-10-11 07:36:36	@theinvsblman	and not suitable for modern games
2014-10-11 07:36:44	@theinvsblman	so we're slowly replacing parts of it
2014-10-11 07:36:45	Veyrdite	Actually, lately he's gotten involved in some of the work I did on the game and made some committ :)
2014-10-11 07:36:49	@theinvsblman	breaking half the game everytime
2014-10-11 07:36:50	Veyrdite	*comitts
2014-10-11 07:37:01	NewSource	unvanqyuished vdevelopers
2014-10-11 07:37:06	@ZdrytchX	speaking of which dGr8LookinSparky unvanquished probably doesn't have support for furryness
2014-10-11 07:37:08	NewSource	why u deleted atcs hd from unv?
2014-10-11 07:37:17	@theinvsblman	all trem maps are gone from unvanquished
2014-10-11 07:37:21	Veyrdite	Furryness can be added
2014-10-11 07:37:25	PikaNoChu	kind of a shame, imho
2014-10-11 07:37:27	PikaNoChu	the maps i mean
2014-10-11 07:37:29	Veyrdite	All you need to mention is that it will make grangers better
2014-10-11 07:37:31	@ZdrytchX	however they could add false 2d-sprites sporting out of the body i guess
2014-10-11 07:37:31	Veyrdite	:D
2014-10-11 07:37:44	@ZdrytchX	a bit like how "rain" was simulated in chuck's portal map
2014-10-11 07:37:45	Veyrdite	ZdrytchX: There are almost infinite ways of doing fur
2014-10-11 07:37:51	PikaNoChu	there's plenty of tricks for furryness, just not all very efficient
2014-10-11 07:38:00	@dGr8LookinSparky	question: ould grangers be cuter with fur or feathers?
2014-10-11 07:38:05	`Ishq	Morning.
2014-10-11 07:38:08	PikaNoChu	hats!
2014-10-11 07:38:14	PikaNoChu	morning ishq
2014-10-11 07:38:20	Swizaw	Hello
2014-10-11 07:38:20	@ZdrytchX	Veyrdite not all furry methods look furry in the result
2014-10-11 07:38:30	@dGr8LookinSparky	howdy `Ishq :)
2014-10-11 07:38:35	PikaNoChu	ZdrytchX: imo adding fins is doable and tends to look pretty good
2014-10-11 07:38:42	@ZdrytchX	I think fur suits better for the granger
2014-10-11 07:38:48	@ZdrytchX	provided it's small
2014-10-11 07:38:51	NewSource	im downloaded very old Unvanquished with ATCS HD :DDD IT VERY COOL!!!!!
2014-10-11 07:38:52	@ZdrytchX	and smooth
2014-10-11 07:38:56	PikaNoChu	i still want my mixed teams :'(
2014-10-11 07:39:02	PikaNoChu	grangers riding humans
2014-10-11 07:39:03	@ZdrytchX	eww fins
2014-10-11 07:39:06	@ZdrytchX	granger fish
2014-10-11 07:39:07	@ZdrytchX	lel
2014-10-11 07:39:09	PikaNoChu	D:
2014-10-11 07:39:10	@ZdrytchX	underwater mode
2014-10-11 07:39:19	Veyrdite	Hey `Ishq
2014-10-11 07:39:22	Veyrdite	TLDR:
2014-10-11 07:39:25	@ZdrytchX	*brings out DevHC's "dolphin music physics"*
2014-10-11 07:39:28	PikaNoChu	heh, the NS2 guys are making an underwatergame :D
2014-10-11 07:39:42	Veyrdite	- Many of the Trem modders are fearful of modding Unvanq or migrating their mods because they feel it is moving too fast
2014-10-11 07:40:04	@ZdrytchX	'but of course, unvanquished "copied" ns2' - some newbie who doesn't know waht he was talking about
2014-10-11 07:40:09	@ZdrytchX	(lel)
2014-10-11 07:40:16	Veyrdite	 - The community does not like to be fragmented, so people want to try and amalgumate the non-Unvanq tremulous strains onto one site
2014-10-11 07:40:16	NewSource	hmmm
2014-10-11 07:40:33	Swizaw	Imo this got off topic
2014-10-11 07:40:36	Veyrdite	I believe that's about it for what we have concluded
2014-10-11 07:40:38	NewSource	old unvanquisged .qvm  files allow run in  trem?'
2014-10-11 07:40:44	`Ishq	No.
2014-10-11 07:40:51	NewSource	bo?
2014-10-11 07:40:54	NewSource	no*
2014-10-11 07:40:57	@ZdrytchX	NewSource however
2014-10-11 07:41:13	@ZdrytchX	I can "simulate" unvanquished balance in 1.1 easier than it is to "simulate" 1.1 balance in unvanquihed
2014-10-11 07:41:13	NewSource	Y?
2014-10-11 07:41:18	PikaNoChu	Swizaw: dunno, it was mainly to see what player's opinions were
2014-10-11 07:41:21	@ZdrytchX	same thing with gpp
2014-10-11 07:41:22	NewSource	))
2014-10-11 07:41:29	Swizaw	MMk
2014-10-11 07:41:33	`Ishq	Old Unvanquished stuff has never worked in trem. We broke compat long ago. you will need to make code edits.
2014-10-11 07:41:37	`Ishq	ZdrytchX: I promise that is false
2014-10-11 07:41:52	Swizaw	How long will this meeting will be on for?I am here since 12:31 and its 15:41 i g2g soon
2014-10-11 07:41:53	@ZdrytchX	it's easier to simulate new technologybrought up from old tehcnology with old technology than it is to simulate old technology with new technology brought up from old technology
2014-10-11 07:41:59	`Ishq	Especially with the Unvanquished gamelogic moving to C++. It will be difficult.
2014-10-11 07:42:01	@ZdrytchX	`Ishq how so
2014-10-11 07:42:15	@ZdrytchX	I had trouble to even simulate 1.1 gameplay in a gpp mod
2014-10-11 07:42:18	`Ishq	It would be far easier to make 1.1'ish gamestuff in Unvanquished.
2014-10-11 07:42:22	@ZdrytchX	which is why I never made a public release
2014-10-11 07:42:27	@ZdrytchX	it wasn't even successful
2014-10-11 07:42:47	Veyrdite	Swizaw: I believe we have covered most of our main points now
2014-10-11 07:42:58	Swizaw	Okay.
2014-10-11 07:42:58	PikaNoChu	well, the meeting pretty much ended, we're just talking ad infinitum atm :P
2014-10-11 07:42:58	`Ishq	Perhaps a more accurate statement would be, it is easier to simulate gpp in 1.1. However, it is easier to simulate 1.1 and GPP in Unvanquished than it is to simulate Unvanquished in either 1.1 or GPP.
2014-10-11 07:43:30	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite: what I would like to know is, what are the major milestones ahead for unvanquished?
2014-10-11 07:44:00	@dGr8LookinSparky	does any1 have a log that goes back to the beginning of this meeting?
2014-10-11 07:44:11	Swizaw	nop
2014-10-11 07:44:13	@theinvsblman	i'm logging everything since 14:05 CEST
2014-10-11 07:44:35	cu-kai	i have one from when i joined
2014-10-11 07:44:37	`Ishq	http://www.unvanquished.net/news/120-unva-star-sparkle-love
2014-10-11 07:44:38	cu-kai	12:45utc
2014-10-11 07:44:42	`Ishq	What's in store for Unvanquished.
2014-10-11 07:44:44	cu-kai	wait nvm
2014-10-11 07:44:44	cu-kai	i dont
2014-10-11 07:44:45	cu-kai	:/
2014-10-11 07:44:54	Swizaw	i joined at 12:30 but i didn't log anything...
2014-10-11 07:44:55	`Ishq	dGr8LookinSparky: I do.
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2014-10-11 07:45:31	@dGr8LookinSparky	`Ishq: could you pm me a copy on forum.acidtu.be?
2014-10-11 07:45:48	`Ishq	I'll PM you a copy on Unvanquished forums. I don't have an account on acidtube.
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2014-10-11 07:45:57	Swizaw	reload page op
2014-10-11 07:45:59	@dGr8LookinSparky	ok, ty
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2014-10-11 07:46:22	`Ishq	Oh, btw hey Veyrdite :) THanks for summarizing those points.
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2014-10-11 07:46:56	Veyrdite	PikaNoChu: Recoding the game-logic with NaCl, improving the renderer with vertexpack, replacing all of the assets that remain
2014-10-11 07:47:04	@dGr8LookinSparky	I'll go through the meeting log latter today, and post any particular ideas not already posted
2014-10-11 07:47:04	Veyrdite	They are a few goals I can think off the top of my head
2014-10-11 07:47:09	Veyrdite	Really we don't have a long-term plan
2014-10-11 07:47:14	`Ishq	We do.
2014-10-11 07:47:17	Veyrdite	(to a certain degree)
2014-10-11 07:47:19	Veyrdite	Oh
2014-10-11 07:47:28	Veyrdite	Apart from our beta goals?
2014-10-11 07:48:04	PikaNoChu	Veyrdite, theinvsblman: well, i guess the project is run on a contribution basis... the project evolves in whatever people want to contribute on? no top down plan etc?
2014-10-11 07:48:09	@theinvsblman	PikaNoChu, https://github.com/Unvanquished/Unvanquished/milestones/Beta
2014-10-11 07:48:20	`Ishq	THe beta goals are our next milestone.
2014-10-11 07:48:41	@dGr8LookinSparky	I think there have been some interesting ideas proposed in this meeting, but we can't really make any conclusions from them yet, we are going to have to review them
2014-10-11 07:48:59	Veyrdite	`Ishq: A personal conclusion: we need to redo our site :D
2014-10-11 07:49:05	`Ishq	Lol
2014-10-11 07:49:08	Veyrdite	(or atleast fix some parts of it)
2014-10-11 07:49:15	`Ishq	Yeah, our article section has a lot of useful information
2014-10-11 07:49:22	@dGr8LookinSparky	that may be true of all of our sites Veyrdite :)
2014-10-11 07:49:23	`Ishq	But all the articles are deep inside the website.
2014-10-11 07:49:30	PikaNoChu	dGr8LookinSparky: i said to GlobalWarming that it might be best to list the projects and see if we can get contributors. Then just run them as small projects in parallel.
2014-10-11 07:49:30	Swizaw	Well I'm here for 3 hours and 20 mins...which is quite a long time i have to go study/do other stuff.
2014-10-11 07:49:32	Swizaw	Peace
2014-10-11 07:49:44	PikaNoChu	peace out
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2014-10-11 07:49:58	`Ishq	Is there anyone from 1.1 here?
2014-10-11 07:50:03	PikaNoChu	:<
2014-10-11 07:50:04	@ZdrytchX	I do play 1.1 `Ishq
2014-10-11 07:50:06	PikaNoChu	:'(
2014-10-11 07:50:06	@ZdrytchX	and you do too
2014-10-11 07:50:10	PikaNoChu	:P
2014-10-11 07:50:11	@ZdrytchX	theos also does
2014-10-11 07:50:14	@ZdrytchX	although he left
2014-10-11 07:50:21	`Ishq	Well, yes, but other than me. Also, I was talking about a server admin of sorts.
2014-10-11 07:50:21	@ZdrytchX	 since he doesn't really like too much chatter
2014-10-11 07:50:22	@dGr8LookinSparky	isn't DevHC from 1.1?
2014-10-11 07:50:23	Veyrdite	DevHC don't you play 1.1?
2014-10-11 07:50:26	`Ishq	No.
2014-10-11 07:50:29	@ZdrytchX	no
2014-10-11 07:50:35	@ZdrytchX	DevHC doesn't even play tremulous as far as i know
2014-10-11 07:50:36	@dGr8LookinSparky	where is he from then?
2014-10-11 07:50:40	@dGr8LookinSparky	lol
2014-10-11 07:50:40	@ZdrytchX	poland I think
2014-10-11 07:50:43	PikaNoChu	hell.
2014-10-11 07:50:51	PikaNoChu	(aka tremulous.net)
2014-10-11 07:50:53	PikaNoChu	:P
2014-10-11 07:50:54	`Ishq	DevHC is not from Poland.
2014-10-11 07:50:54	@ZdrytchX	im suprised he even knows russian
2014-10-11 07:50:55	@dGr8LookinSparky	he is an admin on the irc though
2014-10-11 07:51:14	@ZdrytchX	dGr8LookinSparky he got it when there was the limited time "get your free banhammar quest"
2014-10-11 07:51:26	@ZdrytchX	I think `Ishq also got his but i don't know what happened to it
2014-10-11 07:51:43	Veyrdite	`Ishq probably fed it to a granger
2014-10-11 07:51:45	`Ishq	ZdrytchX: I never go it
2014-10-11 07:51:47	Veyrdite	AND KHARNOV WAS BORN
2014-10-11 07:51:50	@ZdrytchX	maybe DevHC troll'd it off him (new verb meaning!)
2014-10-11 07:52:02	`Ishq	I left before I got it.
2014-10-11 07:52:03	@ZdrytchX	`Ishq your bot did though
2014-10-11 07:52:08	@DevHC	ZdrytchX: explain
2014-10-11 07:52:09	`Ishq	Perhaps.
2014-10-11 07:52:13	@ZdrytchX	yoru spam bot
2014-10-11 07:52:19	@DevHC	my heritage is top secret information
2014-10-11 07:52:20	@GlobalWarming	dGr8LookinSparky: and I agree
2014-10-11 07:52:37	@ZdrytchX	DevHC is full of secrets he's willing to die with
2014-10-11 07:52:40	`Ishq	Even from me, DevHC?
2014-10-11 07:52:46	@DevHC	yes
2014-10-11 07:52:58	`Ishq	I thought we were meant to be, DevHC
2014-10-11 07:53:05	@dGr8LookinSparky	GlobalWarming: hat do you agree with?
2014-10-11 07:53:05	`Ishq	Where did all of our love and magic go D:
2014-10-11 07:53:08	@ZdrytchX	`Ishq, you're the harsh one
2014-10-11 07:53:17	@DevHC	`Ishq: no, u're not a supporter of teh one and only, humanity
2014-10-11 07:53:19	@dGr8LookinSparky	what*
2014-10-11 07:53:24	@ZdrytchX	I thought you were into yuri-ism than yaoi-ism
2014-10-11 07:53:30	PikaNoChu	D:
2014-10-11 07:53:31	Veyrdite	xD
2014-10-11 07:53:37	NewSource	:DDDDDDDDDDDD
2014-10-11 07:53:46	NewSource	Im runned unvanquished hud on TremGp1
2014-10-11 07:53:49	NewSource	gp1*
2014-10-11 07:53:51	NewSource	gpp1*
2014-10-11 07:53:56	@ZdrytchX	(*cough cough* much on-topic)
2014-10-11 07:53:57	PikaNoChu	huh?
2014-10-11 07:54:05	`Ishq	The old one?
2014-10-11 07:54:11	NewSource	y
2014-10-11 07:54:12	@ZdrytchX	the old one was compatible
2014-10-11 07:54:19	`Ishq	Not all of it
2014-10-11 07:54:20	@ZdrytchX	the old mods were compatible too iirc
2014-10-11 07:54:23	NewSource	im downloaded unvanquished-0.17-universal.zip
2014-10-11 07:54:24	@ZdrytchX	the new ones... dont think so
2014-10-11 07:54:28	`Ishq	You could get some of it working.
2014-10-11 07:54:30	@ZdrytchX	WOAH
2014-10-11 07:54:31	`Ishq	But not all of it.
2014-10-11 07:54:32	@ZdrytchX	17?
2014-10-11 07:54:33	@ZdrytchX	INSANE
2014-10-11 07:54:37	@ZdrytchX	but then again
2014-10-11 07:54:40	@ZdrytchX	the hud was still the same
2014-10-11 07:54:42	Veyrdite	The new HUDs will definately not work -> use librocket code
2014-10-11 07:54:47	@ZdrytchX	actually no it wasnt
2014-10-11 07:54:51	NewSource	Ishq u developer Unvq?
2014-10-11 07:54:51	@ZdrytchX	it had khaoz's hud
2014-10-11 07:54:53	@GlobalWarming	dGr8LookinSparky: that we should list the projects and see if we can get contributors
2014-10-11 07:55:00	@ZdrytchX	but it was also compatible with gpp and 1.1
2014-10-11 07:55:00	`Ishq	NewSource: I am of the Unvanquished project heads.
2014-10-11 07:55:02	PikaNoChu	oh he just added that to OA in 5 min >.>
2014-10-11 07:55:07	NewSource	Wooooooooooow
2014-10-11 07:55:09	NewSource	cool...
2014-10-11 07:55:10	@ZdrytchX	harshone's new hud isn't
2014-10-11 07:55:14	@dGr8LookinSparky	wasn't it PikaNoChu that said that?
2014-10-11 07:55:15	@DevHC	NewSource: no, not cool
2014-10-11 07:55:16	`Ishq	I'm also one of the head admins on AA.
2014-10-11 07:55:26	PikaNoChu	dGr8LookinSparky: irrelevant
2014-10-11 07:55:28	`Ishq	If you've heard of Pk
2014-10-11 07:55:29	NewSource	mb u make mega HD remake of Niveus?
2014-10-11 07:55:32	`Ishq	I also lead that clan.
2014-10-11 07:55:41	NewSource	im  see spacetrack from unvaqyushed it very nice
2014-10-11 07:55:51	`Ishq	We need a mapper to do it.
2014-10-11 07:56:01	@ZdrytchX	`Ishq since when was playerkillers such a clan
2014-10-11 07:56:04	NewSource	DevHC?
2014-10-11 07:56:14	NewSource	А Почему не круто?
2014-10-11 07:56:14	`Ishq	DevHC is not a mapper.
2014-10-11 07:56:22	@ZdrytchX	DevHC is a rapper
2014-10-11 07:56:25	NewSource	im idk just
2014-10-11 07:56:26	@dGr8LookinSparky	we should list all ideas as potential projects and see if they are doable
2014-10-11 07:56:29	NewSource	im  see spacetrack
2014-10-11 07:56:32	@ZdrytchX	or, wrapper
2014-10-11 07:56:33	NewSource	on unv
2014-10-11 07:56:33	`Ishq	Yes, DevHC can freestyle with the best of them.
2014-10-11 07:56:34	NewSource	it good
2014-10-11 07:56:36	@ZdrytchX	he wraps people up
2014-10-11 07:56:40	@ZdrytchX	in their misfortune
2014-10-11 07:56:44	@ZdrytchX	and their misunderstanding
2014-10-11 07:56:50	@ZdrytchX	and their normalism
2014-10-11 07:56:59	`Ishq	It seems you guys keep going off topic during your conversations :)
2014-10-11 07:57:02	NewSource	DevHC вы видели моё видео, запуск Тремулоус на Андроид?
2014-10-11 07:57:03	@ZdrytchX	(the pointy perpendicular to the surface)
2014-10-11 07:57:18	@ZdrytchX	`Ishq  it is irresistable... dGr8LookinSparky next topic plz
2014-10-11 07:57:19	`Ishq	Makes it difficult to get stuff done.
2014-10-11 07:57:22	NewSource	? ;]
2014-10-11 07:57:26	@dGr8LookinSparky	does anyone have any other major ideas that we haven't covered?
2014-10-11 07:57:28	@DevHC	NewSource: `Ishq odin nub, on ne horoshiy koder
2014-10-11 07:57:32	PikaNoChu	`Ishq: welcome to the internet.
2014-10-11 07:57:39	NewSource	kjk
2014-10-11 07:57:41	NewSource	Лолл
2014-10-11 07:57:42	@ZdrytchX	well let's recap what we've talked about
2014-10-11 07:57:46	`Ishq	:(
2014-10-11 07:57:48	NewSource	Он нуб? :"D
2014-10-11 07:57:50	`Ishq	DevHC hatin' on me
2014-10-11 07:58:00	@DevHC	NewSource: da
2014-10-11 07:58:04	NewSource	isnhq u know rus?
2014-10-11 07:58:08	NewSource	хмм ясно
2014-10-11 07:58:20	NewSource	Но унвакуишед  имеюет более хорошую графику чем трем..
2014-10-11 07:58:23	`Ishq	No, but I know DevHC
2014-10-11 07:58:25	@DevHC	NewSource: net, on ne znaet
2014-10-11 07:58:28	@dGr8LookinSparky	idk if e've talked about this one: http://vote.acidtu.be/?view=10
2014-10-11 07:58:35	NewSource	но зато  все текстуры испоганнены так, что только унвакуишед  их  прочитает
2014-10-11 07:58:36	@dGr8LookinSparky	we've*
2014-10-11 07:58:44	Veyrdite	Hahahaha
2014-10-11 07:58:49	Veyrdite	Unvanq has this
2014-10-11 07:58:51	Veyrdite	:D
2014-10-11 07:58:55	@dGr8LookinSparky	as you guy might notice, my w and s keys don't always work :)
2014-10-11 07:59:15	`Ishq	NewSource: The textures are just compressed so they can be loaded better :)
2014-10-11 07:59:17	NewSource	Как приятно говорить  на другом языке :D человек даже и не подозривает, что о нем говорят xD
2014-10-11 07:59:30	`Ishq	https://github.com/unvanquished/crunch
2014-10-11 07:59:41	NewSource	хмммм как он это прочел...через переводчик,.
2014-10-11 07:59:41	`Ishq	You can use that to uncompress the textures
2014-10-11 07:59:42	@DevHC	NewSource: on znaet :P
2014-10-11 07:59:46	@ZdrytchX	dGr8LookinSparky shall I cap up what we've covered from my memory?
2014-10-11 07:59:49	NewSource	Ой бля...
2014-10-11 07:59:53	NewSource	ок
2014-10-11 08:00:03	@ZdrytchX	uhh my mind's gone numb
2014-10-11 08:00:20	@ZdrytchX	unification of communities: tracker.... uhh
2014-10-11 08:00:21	@DevHC	dGr8LookinSparky: tip: single-player games
2014-10-11 08:00:28	@dGr8LookinSparky	Veyrdite: how does unv's training servers work?
2014-10-11 08:00:29	@DevHC	dGr8LookinSparky: tip2: cooperative games
2014-10-11 08:00:42	@ZdrytchX	dGr8LookinSparky they are just bot servers
2014-10-11 08:00:46	@ZdrytchX	like our p-bot servers
2014-10-11 08:01:25	@DevHC	NewSource: ya dumayu video ne vse videli
2014-10-11 08:01:35	@dGr8LookinSparky	do you have special levels for completing certain objectives to train in various areas of expertise?
2014-10-11 08:01:37	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: should do.
2014-10-11 08:01:37	@ZdrytchX	uhm
2014-10-11 08:01:49	@ZdrytchX	nope
2014-10-11 08:01:55	@ZdrytchX	(@ objectives)
2014-10-11 08:01:59	Veyrdite	dGr8LookinSparky: We had maps that focussed on certain things, ie some were defensive, others were offensive with no building, etc
2014-10-11 08:02:01	Veyrdite	Special setups
2014-10-11 08:02:04	@GlobalWarming	dGr8LookinSparky: I think we kind of did talked about that
2014-10-11 08:02:25	NewSource	Ага....я его запостил  на два форума, на официальный форум и на форум EDGE... надо мне его на ютуб загрузить
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2014-10-11 08:02:47	@dGr8LookinSparky	GlobalWarming: I may have missed that when there were alot of conversations going on at once
2014-10-11 08:02:56	PikaNoChu	granger sounds... where are they from? the biggest question that haunts me...
2014-10-11 08:02:59	PikaNoChu	D:
2014-10-11 08:03:10	@ZdrytchX	translate.google sayys thaat NewSource's last message says "eah .... I did post it on two forums on the official forum and the forum EDGE ... I need to upload it to YouTube"
2014-10-11 08:03:20	@ZdrytchX	seems suspicious :D
2014-10-11 08:03:21	@GlobalWarming	dGr8LookinSparky: but its fine to talk about it as I think it was not completely discussed
2014-10-11 08:04:04	@dGr8LookinSparky	Veyrdite: we have plans to make unlockable levels on BotsCamp
2014-10-11 08:04:23	@DevHC	dGr8LookinSparky: i have an objective-based mod :P
2014-10-11 08:04:39	@dGr8LookinSparky	for 1.1?
2014-10-11 08:04:40	Veyrdite	Cool.  How good is your bot implementation?  Have you seen ours?
2014-10-11 08:04:47	@DevHC	for either
2014-10-11 08:05:05	@dGr8LookinSparky	DevHC: are you registered on acitu.be?
2014-10-11 08:05:06	NewSource	ImI found the sound Dragoon in Doom 1 and 2 wad
2014-10-11 08:05:10	@DevHC	the gamelogic is changed significantly, doesn't resemble both
2014-10-11 08:05:29	@DevHC	more like 1.1.5i, where i is the complex imaginary unit :P
2014-10-11 08:05:54	@DevHC	currently team vs team as in players vs players, as usual, but with work, can be made into a players vs bots
2014-10-11 08:05:54	cu-kai	are you also registered on new-edge.org? :P
2014-10-11 08:06:10	@DevHC	dGr8LookinSparky: i don't recall registering
2014-10-11 08:06:31	NewSource	So...im afk here and goto EDGE all bb..later im return
2014-10-11 08:07:19	@ZdrytchX	bb NewSource, stop by anytime soon for your cookies! :3
2014-10-11 08:07:22	@dGr8LookinSparky	please register on acidtu.be and new-edge.org, maybe we can colloborate on implementing your objective mod with BotsCamp
2014-10-11 08:07:44	@dGr8LookinSparky	cya l8r NewSource
2014-10-11 08:07:57	@ZdrytchX	dGr8LookinSparky to be honest "please" sounds too demanding in my opinion, which is why I don't like to use the word too much
2014-10-11 08:08:50	PikaNoChu	'register or prepare to be boarded' is much more gentlemanly
2014-10-11 08:09:37	@GlobalWarming	lol
2014-10-11 08:09:39	@dGr8LookinSparky	DevHC: I request, if you so choose, that you register on acidtu.be and new-edge.org, maybe we can collaborate on implementing your objective mod with BotsCamp
2014-10-11 08:09:48	@DevHC	i have a feeling that NewSource wants us to read http://tremulous.net/forum/index.php?topic=17467.0 and watch http://vk.com/tremulous_russian?z=video-57295535_170058295%2Fec50822926267ae75e
2014-10-11 08:10:00	@dGr8LookinSparky	ofc he does
2014-10-11 08:10:24	@DevHC	dGr8LookinSparky: ~0 time
2014-10-11 08:10:57	@dGr8LookinSparky	DevHC: do you have a link to you objective mod?
2014-10-11 08:10:59	@GlobalWarming	guys I'm leaving... sorry. IMHO this meeting has been a success. I'm glad we did this and I hope we can follow up all this and make it happen. Good day!
2014-10-11 08:11:16	@dGr8LookinSparky	cya l8r GlobalWarming :)
2014-10-11 08:11:27	@GlobalWarming	cya!
2014-10-11 08:11:29	@DevHC	dGr8LookinSparky: i can show u
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2014-10-11 08:11:48	NewSource	mb go edge?
2014-10-11 08:12:01	Veyrdite	Damn, `Ishq just reminded me of something
2014-10-11 08:12:02	@DevHC	<sp4m>I CAN LAUNCH A TREMULOUS SERVER, WHERE U CAN TEST TEH OBJECTIVE-BASED MOD -- WHO WANTS TO SEE?</sp4m>
2014-10-11 08:12:12	PikaNoChu	hmmm, i do
2014-10-11 08:12:12	Veyrdite	Is everyone here aware of the Weekly games Unvanquished holds?
2014-10-11 08:12:17	PikaNoChu	i am
2014-10-11 08:12:19	@ZdrytchX	yes
2014-10-11 08:12:24	@ZdrytchX	I can't attend them anyway
2014-10-11 08:12:27	Veyrdite	Most people have left by now :(
2014-10-11 08:12:38	Veyrdite	They are at 6am for me :D
2014-10-11 08:12:41	@ZdrytchX	the australian weekly games don't really happen that often either
2014-10-11 08:12:50	@DevHC	so 2 ppl want to see?
2014-10-11 08:13:02	@dGr8LookinSparky	DevHC: what time is it by you?
2014-10-11 08:13:20	@DevHC	why?
2014-10-11 08:13:31	@dGr8LookinSparky	which time zone are you in?
2014-10-11 08:13:35	@DevHC	why?
2014-10-11 08:13:44	`Ishq	He wants to find you
2014-10-11 08:13:48	@dGr8LookinSparky	lol
2014-10-11 08:13:53	@DevHC	yeah, i gathered
2014-10-11 08:14:04	@ZdrytchX	+1 i believe
2014-10-11 08:14:14	@DevHC	noone else wants to see?
2014-10-11 08:14:21	 *	DevHC will need to start compiling/etc.
2014-10-11 08:14:22	@ZdrytchX	hmm
2014-10-11 08:14:25	`Ishq	I will see DevHC.
2014-10-11 08:14:28	@dGr8LookinSparky	I'm not going to be able to try it out right now would you be available tomorrow in about 24 hours?
2014-10-11 08:14:31	@ZdrytchX	i thought you were more concerened about your hhouse getting nuked
2014-10-11 08:14:32	@DevHC	`Ishq: not me
2014-10-11 08:14:39	`Ishq	I will find you DevHC
2014-10-11 08:14:47	@DevHC	`Ishq: u won't see me
2014-10-11 08:14:59	@ZdrytchX	`Ishq is a shrimp with shrimp eyes
2014-10-11 08:15:06	@ZdrytchX	according to his avatar
2014-10-11 08:15:10	@DevHC	ok, tomorrow
2014-10-11 08:15:19	@dGr8LookinSparky	DevHC: would you be available in about 24 hours to show me your mod on trem?
2014-10-11 08:15:26	@DevHC	yes
2014-10-11 08:15:47	@dGr8LookinSparky	sounds good :)
2014-10-11 08:15:51	@ZdrytchX	he's willing to show you his hamsterdamnit gunslimimiting mod
2014-10-11 08:16:07	@ZdrytchX	has interesting features
2014-10-11 08:16:10	@DevHC	basically, during the weekend, i'll be willing to do this at any time
2014-10-11 08:16:14	@dGr8LookinSparky	is that the objective based mod he is talking about?
2014-10-11 08:16:17	@DevHC	during weekdays, i have ~0 time
2014-10-11 08:16:19	@ZdrytchX	"goon gonna barb me... move to side... ball curves to yoru face"
2014-10-11 08:16:21	@ZdrytchX	"oh shit"
2014-10-11 08:16:31	@ZdrytchX	dGr8LookinSparky no it isn't
2014-10-11 08:16:32	@ZdrytchX	however
2014-10-11 08:16:42	@ZdrytchX	it supports soething marvellous called Advance Map Package
2014-10-11 08:16:49	@DevHC	ROFL
2014-10-11 08:16:52	@ZdrytchX	which the map blackout I gtold you about long time ago requires
2014-10-11 08:16:53	@DevHC	Advanced Map Patch
2014-10-11 08:16:58	@ZdrytchX	PACKAGE
2014-10-11 08:17:02	@ZdrytchX	SOUNDS BETTER
2014-10-11 08:17:06	@DevHC	don't fuck with me
2014-10-11 08:17:11	@ZdrytchX	NOU
2014-10-11 08:17:25	@ZdrytchX	YOU NAMED IT I RENAMED IT
2014-10-11 08:17:26	@ZdrytchX	GG
2014-10-11 08:17:28	PikaNoChu	well, i'm off also, was fun, should do it more often :P cya
2014-10-11 08:17:37	@dGr8LookinSparky	cya pika :)
2014-10-11 08:17:38	@DevHC	so
2014-10-11 08:17:40	@ZdrytchX	remmeber to recharge at the pokecenter PikaNoChu
2014-10-11 08:17:45	@DevHC	during this conversation, what have we concluded?
2014-10-11 08:17:52	@ZdrytchX	just don't get dazzled by nurse joyful
2014-10-11 08:17:55	PikaNoChu	ZdrytchX: i will :<
2014-10-11 08:18:07	@dGr8LookinSparky	do we have conclusions?
2014-10-11 08:18:13	PikaNoChu	no.
2014-10-11 08:18:16	PikaNoChu	only more questions
2014-10-11 08:18:18	@ZdrytchX	DevHC my brain can't remmeber but i've logged your mighty words
2014-10-11 08:18:25	@dGr8LookinSparky	questions are good :)
2014-10-11 08:18:35	@DevHC	there were few relevant words
2014-10-11 08:18:37	@ZdrytchX	!quote devhc #42... oh wait theovermind is offline
2014-10-11 08:18:46	@DevHC	i though this was going to be about gamelogic, assets, etc.
2014-10-11 08:18:52	@ZdrytchX	nah
2014-10-11 08:18:56	@ZdrytchX	it's more about the community
2014-10-11 08:19:09	@ZdrytchX	hence "unification" [of the three]
2014-10-11 08:19:11	@DevHC	instead, it was about websites, project merging, etc. all the shit that completely makes me puke
2014-10-11 08:19:20	@ZdrytchX	I was thining of includingthe gloom guys
2014-10-11 08:19:25	@DevHC	D:
2014-10-11 08:19:26	@ZdrytchX	but they are pretty self-centered too
2014-10-11 08:19:33	@ZdrytchX	I talk with them occasionally
2014-10-11 08:19:45	@ZdrytchX	ishq also ddoes, but probably less than I do and I don't talk much to them honestly
2014-10-11 08:19:50	@ZdrytchX	just one game every two or so months
2014-10-11 08:19:53	@ZdrytchX	lel
2014-10-11 08:19:58	@dGr8LookinSparky	one community barrier at a time ViruS, today trem and unv, tomorrow we can take on the world :)
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2014-10-11 08:20:08	@ZdrytchX	WJAT
2014-10-11 08:20:25	@ZdrytchX	WJAT JAPPENED TO GROOM?!?
2014-10-11 08:20:32	NewSource	`aks
2014-10-11 08:20:36	NewSource	tams
2014-10-11 08:20:37	NewSource	ams
2014-10-11 08:20:40	@ZdrytchX	no yaks are soviet fighters
2014-10-11 08:20:40	NewSource	u here?
2014-10-11 08:20:47	@ZdrytchX	haolovsz
2014-10-11 08:20:53	@dGr8LookinSparky	DevHC: what would you like to add?
2014-10-11 08:21:02	@ZdrytchX	i think DevHC is bored and wants to leave
2014-10-11 08:21:13	@ZdrytchX	sometimes my predictions can be dead-on
2014-10-11 08:21:17	@ZdrytchX	unfortunately
2014-10-11 08:22:18	@ZdrytchX	DevhugeController is more into coding and knowledge than sorting out community problems but he's very useful
2014-10-11 08:22:23	@dGr8LookinSparky	cu-ams: would you like to add something?
2014-10-11 08:22:35	@ZdrytchX	and i think cu-ams is afk
2014-10-11 08:22:40	@dGr8LookinSparky	hmm
2014-10-11 08:22:43	@DevHC	i'll add that this has been another set of hours of waste of time
2014-10-11 08:22:46	@ZdrytchX	I haven't heard from cu-kai either
2014-10-11 08:23:07	@ZdrytchX	thanks for givine me your health points from yoru life bar DevHC, we appreciate it
2014-10-11 08:23:15	cu-kai	did you guys need me or something?
2014-10-11 08:23:16	@ZdrytchX	no wait kai is available
2014-10-11 08:23:32	@dGr8LookinSparky	kai, would you like to add something?
2014-10-11 08:23:33	@ZdrytchX	i provably accidentally woke him up when i highlighted his username
2014-10-11 08:23:43	cu-kai	not particularly
2014-10-11 08:23:44	@ZdrytchX	add something to the conversation that is kai
2014-10-11 08:23:49	cu-kai	this meeting went on for far too long
2014-10-11 08:24:01	@ZdrytchX	i didn't hear much from you personally kai
2014-10-11 08:24:10	cu-kai	yeah, i dont really have much to say
2014-10-11 08:24:12	@ZdrytchX	or maybe i just wasn't paying attention when I was getting a drink
2014-10-11 08:24:19	cu-kai	i didn't say much anyway
2014-10-11 08:24:51	@dGr8LookinSparky	I'll be going through the log latter and extract the main ideas for us to look into
2014-10-11 08:24:56	@ZdrytchX	so shall we say this meeting is closed? I won't log anything further if we say the meeting is closed
2014-10-11 08:25:28	@ZdrytchX	dGr8LookinSparky http://pastebin.com/u/ZdrytchX
2014-10-11 08:25:39	cu-kai	well i dont have anything to add at least
2014-10-11 08:26:03	@ZdrytchX	the logs with the spacing betwen each line annoyingly is the past-log before I restarted my computer
2014-10-11 08:26:27	@dGr8LookinSparky	cu-kai:  and cu-ams over the next day or so we should schedule that private meeting to see what acidtu.be and edge can do together
2014-10-11 08:30:30	@ZdrytchX	well I guess I'll stop logging... say bye bye to the log!
2014-10-11 08:30:39	cu-kai	:(
2014-10-11 08:31:41	@dGr8LookinSparky	I think that is it for the meeting
2014-10-11 08:32:53	@dGr8LookinSparky	As I've said, latter I will go through the log and post ideas that may not be posted, and I'll also post the log on a thread on Unv for the conversation to continue and will link to that thread
2014-10-11 08:33:58	@ZdrytchX	Log-End()
2014-10-11 08:34:47	@dGr8LookinSparky	I think alot of good ideas were generated here, I'de like to thank every1 for comming :)
2014-10-11 08:35:27	cu-kai	lol
2014-10-11 08:35:42	@ZdrytchX	ありがとうございむす！
2014-10-11 08:36:03	@ZdrytchX	oh wait globalwarming left
2014-10-11 08:36:07	@dGr8LookinSparky	lol
2014-10-11 08:36:21	@ZdrytchX	he's the only guy here who can speak and understand what I just typed
2014-10-11 08:36:52	@dGr8LookinSparky	Steaming thank you?
2014-10-11 08:36:54	@ZdrytchX	I only understand very simple romaji based off what i hear in anime and `Ishq would too since he also watches anime, but not sure if he uses subs or dubs
2014-10-11 08:36:59	@ZdrytchX	lol dGr8LookinSparky
2014-10-11 08:37:05	@ZdrytchX	"thank you very much"
2014-10-11 08:37:14	@dGr8LookinSparky	that is what google said
2014-10-11 08:37:20	@ZdrytchX	it might be gosaimasu or gozaimasu
2014-10-11 08:37:23	`Ishq	Subs.
2014-10-11 08:37:25	@ZdrytchX	not sure how they actually say it
2014-10-11 08:37:29	@ZdrytchX	`Ishq do you know?
2014-10-11 08:37:30	`Ishq	I can also read hiragana and katakana
2014-10-11 08:37:34	@ZdrytchX	wow
2014-10-11 08:37:37	@ZdrytchX	`Ishq  legend
2014-10-11 08:37:39	`Ishq	I'm amazing.
2014-10-11 08:37:43	`Ishq	Bow down to me
2014-10-11 08:37:43	@ZdrytchX	ii also know another person
2014-10-11 08:37:57	@dGr8LookinSparky	I have to go, thank you for coming, cya all l8r :)
2014-10-11 08:37:59	@ZdrytchX	you know lae/suzu-tan from commie subs?
2014-10-11 08:38:02	`Ishq	No
2014-10-11 08:38:09	@ZdrytchX	he's actually ikusari from knights of reason
2014-10-11 08:38:11	@ZdrytchX	(my clan)
2014-10-11 08:38:15	`Ishq	Oh lol
2014-10-11 08:38:17	`Ishq	I know him
2014-10-11 08:38:18	@ZdrytchX	ikr
2014-10-11 08:38:24	`Ishq	Ikusari is hella chill
2014-10-11 08:38:34	@ZdrytchX	I was actually suprised to hear that he manages thhe schedulling system for commiesubs
2014-10-11 08:38:42	@ZdrytchX	he also manages the kor.net site
2014-10-11 08:38:49	`Ishq	Yeah
2014-10-11 08:38:50	@ZdrytchX	we could use his help one day :3
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2014-10-11 08:39:21	Veyrdite	Anyway, good morning all!  I'm going to bed
2014-10-11 08:39:28	Veyrdite	enjoy
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