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[08:44]	<pH_>	guys
[08:45]	<pH_>	how to set an infinite loop in ruby?
[08:47]	<wallerdev>	loop { }
[08:58]	<apeiros_>	while 0 ... end # just for the fun of confusing C guys
[09:01]	<dominikh>	haha
[09:34]	<Guest11530>	hello
[09:35]	<Guest11530>	how is a lang like ruby diff from c++
[09:35]	<Guest11530>	i want to know from the interpreted/compiled perspective
[09:36]	<CoolNik123>	anyone
[09:36]	<wallerdev>	sure
[09:36]	<wallerdev>	i spend most of my time in c++ lately so i can give you a good opinion
[09:37]	<wallerdev>	c++ is much faster, so it's great for high performance things, the only problem with it you write about 8x more code
[09:37]	<wallerdev>	and you spend at least 4x longer just debugging things that shouldnt even be issues, like unallocated memory etc
[09:38]	<wallerdev>	also compiling sucks and takes too long in c++
[09:38]	<wallerdev>	eventually you get to a point where you just write ruby scripts to generate your c++ code for you
[09:39]	<CoolNik123>	yes I got u wallerdev - but I am wondering like this ...most codes have to be translated to machine instructions ... so eventually dont both programs have to be made to machine language
[09:39]	<wallerdev>	yes
[09:39]	<CoolNik123>	so ruby generates c++ codes ?
[09:39]	<wallerdev>	but c++ is made into machine code when it compiles
[09:39]	<CoolNik123>	yeah it is
[09:39]	<wallerdev>	c++ and ruby both compile to ASM, which is run by the cpu
[09:39]	<wallerdev>	(in the end)
[09:39]	<CoolNik123>	so isnt both then compiled ? :)
[09:40]	<wallerdev>	yes but ruby is "compiled" at runtime
[09:40]	<CoolNik123>	i think in ruby , program compiler builts something like c++ code ( which is 8x more)
[09:40]	<CoolNik123>	in essense , it takes out a lot of job from the programmer ...like declration and stuff
[09:41]	<wallerdev>	yes ruby makes things easier for the programmer
[09:41]	<wallerdev>	that's one of its goals
[09:41]	<wallerdev>	c++ does not have that goal haha
[09:41]	<CoolNik123>	cool , and in the case of PHP
[09:41]	<CoolNik123>	lol
[09:43]	<CoolNik123>	is php anyway comparable to ruby
[09:43]	<wallerdev>	they have some similarities
[09:43]	<CoolNik123>	though I know both PHP and ROR are almost same type of thingy
[09:43]	<CoolNik123>	interesting
[09:43]	<wallerdev>	php is dynamic like ruby
[09:43]	<wallerdev>	although i don't think it makes it as easy
[09:44]	<wallerdev>	php doesnt focus as much on object oriented programming, but its possible to do in php
[09:44]	<Raynes>	The Ruby interpreter is a C++ program that interprets Ruby code in order to run it. Don't make the mistake of thinking that Ruby is 'compiled' in the traditional sense.
[09:44]	<wallerdev>	Raynes: hm?
[09:44]	<CoolNik123>	I see , thats very interesitng
[09:44]	<Raynes>	I was making sure that he knows that Ruby is /not/ a compiled language.
[09:45]	<CoolNik123>	is perl , python too dependendent on C++
[09:45]	<wallerdev>	=S
[09:45]	<Raynes>	At least, I think the interpreter is C++, it might just be C.
[09:45]	<CoolNik123>	I think that makes a lot of sense to me
[09:45]	<wallerdev>	pretty sure its just C, and there's many interpereters now
[09:45]	<wallerdev>	jruby, ironruby etc
[09:46]	<CoolNik123>	this is very enlightening
[09:46]	<CoolNik123>	cool - and how about perl / python
[09:46]	<wallerdev>	python and perl are both similar to ruby
[09:46]	<CoolNik123>	so run a ruby program , c compiler is probably necessary
[09:46]	<CoolNik123>	to run
[09:47]	<wallerdev>	you could use jruby and use a java compiler
[09:47]	<CoolNik123>	i see
[09:47]	<wallerdev>	or ironruby and use a .NET compiler
[09:47]	<CoolNik123>	right ...using the same ruby code
[09:47]	<wallerdev>	yup
[09:48]	<wallerdev>	if you used something like jruby though you could call java code from your ruby code
[09:48]	<Raynes>	You don't need a C compiler unless you intend to build the Ruby interpreter. Note that I'm talking about the primary Ruby interpreter, not the other 10 million interpreters floating around.
[09:48]	<CoolNik123>	I see
[09:48]	<CoolNik123>	okay
[09:48]	<CoolNik123>	ruby interpreter builds a c code isnt that so ?
[09:48]	<CoolNik123>	and this c code has to be run , which calls in for a c compieler isnt that right
[09:49]	<CoolNik123>	i thought ruby interpreter is like a superset of ruby programs written in c ...so it generates c code fromt the ruby stuff that write
[09:49]	<Horofox>	hi guys good day :)
[09:49]	<Raynes>	The Ruby interpreter isn't a converter. It doesn't convert your program to C, it simply interprets that code.
[09:49]	<apeiros>	an interpreter doesn't actually compile, no
[09:49]	<apeiros>	the interpreter itself is compiled and then executes instructions
[09:50]	<apeiros>	much like e.g. your word processor executes instructions when you type
[09:50]	<CoolNik123>	interprets and converts to ?
[09:50]	<apeiros>	it doesn't convert
[09:50]	<apeiros>	it only executes
[09:50]	<Raynes>	CoolNik123: It does NOT convert to anything.
[09:50]	<CoolNik123>	i see
[09:50]	<CoolNik123>	interpreter can execute ?
[09:50]	<Raynes>	It just interprets the code and executes the instructions.
[09:50]	<CoolNik123>	so then isnt compiler the same
[09:51]	<Horofox>	CoolNik123: imagine a program that when you type
[09:51]	<CoolNik123>	okay
[09:51]	<Horofox>	if ( 1 == 1 ) ( say "1 is equal 1";)
[09:51]	<Raynes>	A compiler takes code and turns that code into some sort of machine language.
[09:51]	<CoolNik123>	say I write a few things in ruby - it has to be converted to machine language eventually
[09:51]	<Horofox>	it reads what you typed
[09:51]	<apeiros>	some interpreters will compile to an intermediary format (bytecode e.g.)
[09:51]	<Horofox>	then say "1 is equal 1"
[09:51]	<Horofox>	:P
[09:51]	<apeiros>	some interpreters might even do complete compilation at one point in time
[09:52]	<Horofox>	jvm compile some code that is really used to bytecode
[09:52]	<CoolNik123>	i think i get what u mean Horofox
[09:53]	<CoolNik123>	interpreter is a like a daemon which accepts ur input and does processing
[09:53]	<Horofox>	yea like this
[09:53]	<Horofox>	but still isnt a daemon i think
[09:53]	<apeiros>	s/daemon/application/
[09:54]	<CoolNik123>	in c during compilation the machine code is generated for the full program ....
[09:54]	<Horofox>	yes
[09:54]	<CoolNik123>	in ruby , the interpreter program is called for every line that u type ...
[09:55]	<CoolNik123>	I get some idea