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What would you like to do?

What is the status of Forge support for your mods?

Forge support has been dropped for all of my mods. Any releases which currently have Forge releases will no longer receive support.

Why?

I am not comfortable with the way the Forge community has treated me and other users. It has been a very difficult road to even get basic concessions out the core development team that my mods (or even Optifine and friends) offer any benefit. There are significant technical challenges in maintaining these mods for the Forge platform as-is, and having to deal with a community that actively takes to discrediting my work at any opportunity does not make it worthwhile.

At this point, even if major changes were to be made in Forge's management and treatment of modders, it would be too little, and too late. My time is limited, and I would much rather spend it developing mods for the Fabric community, which supports and encourages me.

You can find more information on what exactly these interactions involved in this other Gist.

What should I do now, then?

Consider switching to Fabric, a libre modding platform which emphasizes both user and modder choice. You can opt for a super minimal installation with nothing more than the Fabric Loader, giving you an almost zero-overhead solution for running my mods. Perfect for low-end computers needing to squeeze out extra performance, or those who don't want their game to be altered in any other way.

Learn more about Fabric here, and find information on installing it.

But what about other mods?

Check out my personal love list here of mods for Fabric that you can install in your game.

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@spannerman79 spannerman79 commented Jul 17, 2020

I understand completley. Many years ago I asked something to do with modding in 1.7.10 and I was literally abused and yelled at at why the f- wasn't I on 1.10

For someone that was very new and literally being abused showed me just how far forge and those dev's fell.

Now - DILLIGAF (towards forge).

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@ElSaam ElSaam commented Jul 22, 2020

Fabric has grown a lot recently. I find it easy swapping to it. Especially after I saw how Forge team treats the community.

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@iCraftDay iCraftDay commented Jul 25, 2020

thanks for your effort. This mod means I don't have to get better hardware :D.
Edit: Now I can play adventure maps with high render distance very fluid, nice! Also I can now play Wynncraft smoothly.

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@Enderlordalatreon Enderlordalatreon commented Jul 31, 2020

While I usually stay on 1.12.2 exclusively, when I do update to new versions I will definitely try out your mod. I've heard many great things about Sodium. I'm also sorry you had to go through that, I don't go to and interact with any forums unless absolutely necessary so I didn't know the Forge community had these problems. If what you're saying it true that is, no offense. Good luck in the future.

EDIT: Eh, let me update and try out the new versions, what could hurt? I'll also try out your mod as well, nice.

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@nicklly nicklly commented Aug 16, 2020

Yep. Forge is unfriendly to minecraft player,
I come from China and I need to spend more time to downloading forge libraries file, But I use Fabric is haven't problem, if I use Forge, that means I need a higher computer configuration to run minecraft.... And I hope Sodium can as soon as possible support Fabric rendering API and shader, I disgusting optfine, this time my game is getting more and more stuck

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@Sirmentio Sirmentio commented Aug 29, 2020

I like how open and clean Fabric feels compared to Forge, it's obvious that there needs to be a change considering Forge and Optifine are both closed source meaning no control for the users...
I hope soon that shaders won't be much of a problem for Fabric users, but otherwise, I'm pretty happy using Fabric.

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@MMK21Hub MMK21Hub commented Aug 29, 2020

Forge and Optifine are both closed source

https://github.com/MinecraftForge/MinecraftForge

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@Sirmentio Sirmentio commented Aug 29, 2020

Oh, I forgot about that, my mistake, even still, I do think Forge is quite unfriendly like others say, and for a while, everyone was stuck on 1.12.2, weren't they? Same couldn't be said as long for Fabric.

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@MMK21Hub MMK21Hub commented Aug 30, 2020

I have to agree. I see Forge mods stuck on everything from 1.6 to 1.10!

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@sirati97 sirati97 commented Sep 1, 2020

Oh, I forgot about that, my mistake, even still, I do think Forge is quite unfriendly like others say, and for a while, everyone was stuck on 1.12.2, weren't they? Same couldn't be said as long for Fabric.

the reason why forge was not updated from 1.12 to 1.13 faster has nothing to do with forge as platform. During that time they basically rewrote most of the underlying modding engine to avoid incompatibilities between mods

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@Luke7381 Luke7381 commented Sep 6, 2020

"Forge is a free, open-source modding API all of your favourite mods use!"
You sure mate. Theres a lot of people saying its really strict and closed-sourced

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@NeRdTheNed NeRdTheNed commented Sep 7, 2020

"Forge is a free, open-source modding API all of your favourite mods use!"
You sure mate. Theres a lot of people saying its really strict and closed-sourced

Forge is open source, but due to a combination of restrictive licensing of components integral to Forge (MCP mappings etc), the dependance on a particular set of "patches" that are unfathomably non-understanable and change between game versions (ironic, given the Forge team's stance on CoreMods), and the Forge developers being somewhat hostile to other developers about using Forge code despite the terms of their licence, Forge is almost unusable for anything other than being Forge. This isn't necessarily a bad thing, but if changes are wanted and people disagree about the decisions the Forge team is making, it's not really feasible to make your own fork of Forge, or re-implement it.

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@Moralle Moralle commented Sep 16, 2020

Well, since the Fabric community seems to be quite LGBTQ-phobic I guess neither are really worth supporting :/

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@NeRdTheNed NeRdTheNed commented Sep 17, 2020

Well, since the Fabric community seems to be quite LGBTQ-phobic I guess neither are really worth supporting :/

For context about this message: the Fabric Discord recently exploded due to a moderator unbanning a transphobic person, who had been banned for repeatedly making community members uncomfortable. Nuclear's posts are probably the most comprehensive explanation of the events, and I'd heavily advise reading them. I'd say that the community wasn't happy with the decision to unban this person, considering that the moment it happened people started demanding moderator responses and justification. A fair amount of the development team for / contributors to Fabric and the Fabric API (as well as moderators who disagreed with the decision to unban Vatuu) have moved to Woven, mentioned in Nuclear's thread. If you do not feel safe in the Fabric discord, or you dislike the moderation decisions of the Fabric discord, I'd certainly recommend it.

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@Sirmentio Sirmentio commented Sep 17, 2020

Oh... Transphobia is the worst... :(

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@centuryboy774 centuryboy774 commented Sep 30, 2020

Well, since the Fabric community seems to be quite LGBTQ-phobic I guess neither are really worth supporting :/

damn a lose-lose situation I use forge because I don't know too much and the fun mods I use are on forge so for the time being I will stick to forge. and for anti lgbtq+ is so annoying I am gay myself and find it outlandish that in 2020 people are making fun of lgbtq+ people it's disgusting wish people would educate people instead of believing in some fake belief that isn't even true. personally I would just stick to mods and being superficial I don't know them I just wanna play so I ignore them and do your thing. if they wanna be but hurt over you being trans or me being gay then they got some other issues they need to fix straight up. also sorry I don't post alot but when issues like these I see it makes me mad of our ignorant society. well that's all I had to say if you read this thanks and have an awsome day :)

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@sirati97 sirati97 commented Sep 30, 2020

in the end both forge and fabric are open source, no one stops you guys from just ignoring the ugly part of the community. in the end its just the people not the code who have their problems

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@Aqre Aqre commented Oct 8, 2020

The reason I still use forge is because a lot of the good mods are on there and have not been converted to fabric. Otherwise, fabric is totally great. The real question is, will fabric ever support forge mods and totally overpower forge? Instead of CurseForge it would be CurseFabric lol

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@NeRdTheNed NeRdTheNed commented Oct 8, 2020

The reason I still use forge is because a lot of the good mods are on there and have not been converted to fabric. Otherwise, fabric is totally great. The real question is, will fabric ever support forge mods and totally overpower forge? Instead of CurseForge it would be CurseFabric lol

Although it's still in development, check out Patchwork!

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@Aqre Aqre commented Oct 8, 2020

The reason I still use forge is because a lot of the good mods are on there and have not been converted to fabric. Otherwise, fabric is totally great. The real question is, will fabric ever support forge mods and totally overpower forge? Instead of CurseForge it would be CurseFabric lol

Although it's still in development, check out Patchwork!

Wait, you're saying that Patchwork is the mixture between Forge client and Fabric API to support both? Literally sign me up if that's the case, haha

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@sirati97 sirati97 commented Oct 8, 2020

The reason I still use forge is because a lot of the good mods are on there and have not been converted to fabric. Otherwise, fabric is totally great. The real question is, will fabric ever support forge mods and totally overpower forge? Instead of CurseForge it would be CurseFabric lol

Although it's still in development, check out Patchwork!

Wait, you're saying that Patchwork is the mixture between Forge client and Fabric API to support both? Literally sign me up if that's the case, haha

It is not a mixture. Patchwork provides all the extra classes etc, that forge added, using mixins and splititing the compatbility layer into many smaller sub mods that all do a part of the forge api.

what it does not do, at least so far is to perform the same mod loading mechanism or support JS jasm transformers

its pretty awesome, but big project if you ask me

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