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mortdeus
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[10:59 PM] mortdeus: hey add me. im leaving the project  to build a new block chain in Go (which has really good early wasn support)
[11:00 PM] OhGodAGuardian: ...
[11:00 PM] OhGodAGuardian: okay, that doesn't explain why you want me to add you?
[11:02 PM] mortdeus: because you dont need me to further explain to you what my points is when i discuss a problem i see
[11:03 PM] OhGodAGuardian: No, I'm waiting for you to further explain?
[11:03 PM] OhGodAGuardian: is also trying to get a server up
[11:06 PM] mortdeus: i just think you've got good taste
[11:06 PM] mortdeus: based on what weve talked about
[11:06 PM] OhGodAGuardian: In what, specifically? Although Lord knows Go is a far better choice than JS... xD
[11:08 PM] mortdeus: well you like archlinux and i value people who can appreciate suckless technology
[11:08 PM] OhGodAGuardian: Fair enough.
[11:08 PM] OhGodAGuardian: Done.
[11:10 PM] mortdeus: http://harmful.cat-v.org/cat-v/
[11:11 PM] mortdeus: thats the most important tech paper ever written
[11:11 PM] mortdeus: that very few software devs have ever read
[11:13 PM] mortdeus: like i said im going to work on designing a blockchain i hope can actually make a course correction on bitcoins crash
[11:15 PM] mortdeus: like my goal isnt to get rich before the the end. my goal is to take advantage of the worry and demand for a solution and give them one
[11:18 PM] mortdeus: basically right now there is a very rare opportunity right now to disrupt things.
[11:20 PM] mortdeus: and i think you could help maximize the projects appeal. thecryptodesigner dm'd me a minute ago and said hes been wanting to do what i said too
[11:22 PM] mortdeus: and frankly i gave away the secret sauce
[11:22 PM] OhGodAGuardian: Not really.
[11:23 PM] mortdeus: hold up
[11:32 PM] mortdeus: okay, im back.
[11:33 PM] mortdeus: i think im going to call the project chainlink. I can visualize pretty cool branding around the concept.
[11:34 PM] mortdeus: oh would you look at that somebody already beat me to it. https://github.com/smartcontractkit/chainlink
GitHub
smartcontractkit/chainlink
node of the decentralized oracle network, bridging on and off-chain computation - smartcontractkit/chainlink

[11:34 PM] mortdeus: built in go and everything. thats kinda creepy
[11:37 PM] mortdeus: heh, I dont think they made the right choice building on ethereum.
[11:37 PM] mortdeus: https://chain.link/
Chainlink
Your smart contracts connected to real world data events and payments.

[11:37 PM] mortdeus: and they ruined the branding. BAH!
[11:38 PM] OhGodAGuardian: It's arguably the most stable and oldest smart contract platform.
[11:41 PM] mortdeus: I understand the value of it, i just dont really find the project compelling for various reasons
[11:41 PM] OhGodAGuardian: Same here.
[11:43 PM] mortdeus: I think just building a blockchain in Go will make a big difference because of how the code is meant be short and comprehensible.
[11:45 PM] mortdeus: the design is short and simple. People dont want to learn new shit like what dapps mean. dafuq apps?
[11:46 PM] mortdeus: ethereum fails because it tries too hard to look cool.
[11:47 PM] mortdeus: when casual is all we need. Its not called a dapp. Its called an app that now has builtin blockchain
[11:47 PM] mortdeus: its a damn app man
[11:47 PM] OhGodAGuardian: honestly... Ethereum markets it far better than you
[11:48 PM] OhGodAGuardian: and I STILL don't like dapps :stuck_out_tongue:
[11:48 PM] OhGodAGuardian: "an app that now has builtin blockchain" -- this will confuse the FUCK out of people way more than making a short word for "decentralized app"
[11:49 PM] mortdeus: i hate that word decentralized
[11:49 PM] OhGodAGuardian: agreed
[11:49 PM] OhGodAGuardian: But this ain't the point - the point is that it's simple.
[11:49 PM] mortdeus: simpler than just calling an app an app?
[11:50 PM] mortdeus: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GRpJk1uERKA/maxresdefault.jpg

[11:50 PM] mortdeus: also every time i see dapp i think this
[11:52 PM] mortdeus: like its the way a little kid would say it and try to impress his older siblings
[11:52 PM] mortdeus: anyways, the thing is that I don't think decentralized is the selling point of  blockchain anyways
[11:53 PM] OhGodAGuardian: you're not calling an app an app
[11:53 PM] OhGodAGuardian: you're calling it an app with builtin blockchain, which.... not even God knows what that means.
[11:59 PM] mortdeus: i was just pointing out that its still just an app and that the only difference now is that it utilizes blockchain
[12:00 AM] mortdeus: its like an added feature that changes the game. Like when the internet came out it changed the game on the kind of apps you could build
[12:01 AM] mortdeus: its not like we called them eapps
[12:01 AM] mortdeus: though im pretty sure microsoft tried to do something like that with internet explorer plugins or something
[12:01 AM] mortdeus: lol
[12:01 AM] OhGodAGuardian: uh...
[12:01 AM] OhGodAGuardian: webapps. :stuck_out_tongue:
[12:01 AM] OhGodAGuardian: it's a thing.
[12:03 AM] mortdeus: that one i think is valid because there is kind of a bit of seperation between native vs web client in terms of how you think about them technologically speaking
[12:04 AM] mortdeus: like i think wasm is totally valid
[12:04 AM] OhGodAGuardian: And there's not a difference when it's being executed/enforced remotely on every node ?
[12:05 AM] mortdeus: you are talking about decentralized  right?
[12:06 AM] OhGodAGuardian: No, it's at least distributed
[12:06 AM] mortdeus: right, p2p
[12:08 AM] mortdeus: basically my grand point is that the key isn't to try and make such a big deal about blockchain and really just treat it like its new data structure that empowers developers to build more powerful kinds of programs with it since it solves the double spending problem
[12:09 AM] OhGodAGuardian: That is the most sense you've made this whole conversation xD
[12:09 AM] OhGodAGuardian: With you on that.
[12:11 AM] mortdeus: yeah i tend to do that every now and then. make sense that is lol
[12:16 AM] mortdeus: Also another thing i should point out is that in my big picture vision. Its not really decentralized vs centralization. Rather I visualize my blockchain being more like those nested russian dolls

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matryoshka_doll
Matryoshka doll
Matryoshka dolls (Russian: матрёшка, IPA: [mɐˈtrʲɵʂkə] (listen)), also known as Russian nesting dolls, stacking dolls, or Russian dolls, are the set of wooden dolls of decreasing size placed one inside another. The name "matryoshka" (матрёшка), literall...

[12:18 AM] mortdeus: where you have essentially a decentralized block chain that links centralized blockchains together
[12:19 AM] mortdeus: what i mean is that the centralized blockchains are allowed to be configured how the owner sees fit
[12:20 AM] mortdeus: like if they want to use a different proof of work thats fine so long as their blockchain is consistent
[12:22 AM] OhGodAGuardian: Honestly, most people don't realize a blockchain is just a new primitive. A tool - and like any tool, it has advantages and drawbacks. They won't quit applying the blockchain to fucking everything like it's a cure-all. >.>
[12:22 AM] mortdeus: I want the top level nodes being generate as a consequence of what is like the worlds bigger mining pool
[12:23 AM] mortdeus: it does fix a lot of things if you can demonstrate how powerful it is.
[12:24 AM] mortdeus: The problem is that bitcoin is just one example implementation of the kind of software you can make with blockchain
[12:24 AM] OhGodAGuardian: YES!
[12:24 AM] OhGodAGuardian: THANK YOU.
[12:24 AM] OhGodAGuardian: It's an example, a demonstration.
[12:24 AM] OhGodAGuardian: Not meant to fix all of humanity's issues.
[12:26 AM] mortdeus: i do think blockchain is a major innovation though. Like ive spent a lot of time thinking about why the double spending problem was a big unsolved issue
[12:26 AM] OhGodAGuardian: Agreed.
[12:27 AM] mortdeus: and it really can open up an entire new paradigm of how we think about the way users interface with our apps.
[12:28 AM] mortdeus: like there is the bizarre reality that if facebook was crazy they could actually make it profitable for their users to use facebook
[12:30 AM] mortdeus: like if facebook made it so that if you post 10x a day I'll give a fb coin that you can use for these special features you cant buy or get anyway else. And that everybody would really like to have.
[12:32 AM] mortdeus: Like imagine if they built a feature that gave one coin away per day to the person who got the most likes that day, and then they can use that coin to have 1 hour visibility to everybody to say whatever message they want
[12:32 AM] mortdeus: like everybody in the world can see what you as a single person want to say, and its your coin and if you really wanted you could sell it on an exchange or whatever.
[12:33 AM] mortdeus: imagine how much a coin like that would be worth
[12:33 AM] mortdeus: now all of a sudden facebook is a platform that can make you a millionaire if you try to become the most popular person in the world?
[12:34 AM] OhGodAGuardian: You make the people endlessly squabble for attention. Pretty twisted, yeah.
[12:34 AM] mortdeus: its an economy
[12:34 AM] mortdeus: a real virtual economy where facebook has governance
[12:35 AM] mortdeus: atleast over the value they produce and thats going to be a big deal
[12:36 AM] mortdeus: thats why the dapp idea is bankrupt. Centralization is good when your the one in power and you are just doing whats in yours and your users best interest.
[12:36 AM] mortdeus: its only evil to those who don't think power is a good thing.
[12:37 AM] mortdeus: and thats like saying having intelligence isnt a good thing because its unfair to the people who didn't get the same perks
[12:37 AM] mortdeus: sorry lifes fucked?
[12:37 AM] mortdeus: the only good point they make is accountability. I believe in transparency
[12:38 AM] mortdeus: and accountability
[12:41 AM] mortdeus: but i dont think businesses will ever adopt a technology that isn't something they can change to suit their needs in their market
[12:42 AM] OhGodAGuardian: Well, duh.
[12:42 AM] OhGodAGuardian: They kinda enjoy some wiggle room when it comes to accountability
[12:43 AM] mortdeus: what i mean is that if you were to try and do something evil with your facebook coin
[12:43 AM] mortdeus: like sell it to terrorism
[12:43 AM] mortdeus: who used it to post a link to youtube
[12:43 AM] OhGodAGuardian: They're only a terrorist if they lose.
[12:44 AM] mortdeus: with a live feed of a beheading or something
[12:45 AM] mortdeus: what i mean by accountability is that you can kinda follow a paper trail to see where these things are going
[12:46 AM] OhGodAGuardian: Yeah, which NO ONE wants.
[12:46 AM] mortdeus: they do when something crazy happens
[12:46 AM] OhGodAGuardian: Humanity is immature, in that they don't accept people for who they are - everyone has shit they wanna hide
[12:46 AM] OhGodAGuardian: And most of it's not even remotely illegal
[12:46 AM] OhGodAGuardian: like paying for a hooker, etc.
[12:46 AM] mortdeus: like when 9/11 happened, everybody wanted us to do whatever we could to track al qaeda down
[12:47 AM] mortdeus: thus we got the patriot act and mass surveillance
[12:47 AM] OhGodAGuardian: No, everyone was angry and wanted to kill anyone who looked like they had anything to do with it.
[12:48 AM] mortdeus: well your talking about the masses. Im talking about the people who have the power to influence governance
[12:48 AM] OhGodAGuardian: And because of that, we got into pointless wars with the wrong enemy. Wait, why the fuck did it take so long to find Osama? Oh, yeah - we trained his ass years back.
[12:48 AM] mortdeus: well we trained the guy that trained him but same difference
[12:48 AM] OhGodAGuardian: Cold War, it was great to give them guns and training to go fight on our behalf against Russia's pet country
[12:48 AM] OhGodAGuardian: well, yeah
[12:49 AM] mortdeus: im going to add crypto to this chat