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{
"timestamp" : "00:00-00:04",
"text" : "Good evening everybody and um bless you.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "00:05-00:07",
"text" : "Welcome to the November fourth",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Halfham Bay City Council meeting.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "00:08-00:11"
},
{
"text" : "As a reminder, we have Spanish interpretation services available in person and on Zoom.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "00:11-00:18"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "On-point language solutions is in the back left corner if anyone needs assistance with interpretation services.",
"timestamp" : "00:22-00:28"
},
{
"text" : "Please head over there and they'll give you a uh ear piece for interpretation.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "00:29-00:37"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "00:41-00:51",
"text" : "Victor or Nicholas will now provide information on how to receive interpretation prote interpretation services if you're in need of them, with either of you."
},
{
"timestamp" : "00:52-00:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Great, thank you."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:01-01:02",
"speaker" : "Speaker 2",
"text" : "Thank you, Mr."
},
{
"text" : "Mayor, uh City Council, all city staff, members of the public, Victor Hernandez, Spanish interpreter.",
"timestamp" : "01:03-01:09",
"speaker" : "Speaker 2"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:09-01:23",
"speaker" : "Speaker 2",
"text" : "Buenas noches, les queremos dejar saber a todos ustedes que pueden acceder lo que es el canal de Zoom por medio de seleccionar lo que es el mundo terráqueo que aparecerá al fondo de su pantalla, después seleccione lo que es el idioma en español."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:26-01:27",
"text" : "Thank you.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Appreciate that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:27-01:28"
},
{
"text" : "Can we please have a roll call?",
"timestamp" : "01:29-01:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Councilmember Johnson?",
"timestamp" : "01:32-01:34"
},
{
"text" : "Councilmember Nagengast?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"timestamp" : "01:35-01:36"
},
{
"text" : "Here.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:37-01:37"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Councilmember Penrose?",
"timestamp" : "01:37-01:38"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"timestamp" : "01:39-01:39",
"text" : "Here."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Vice Mayor Ruddick.",
"timestamp" : "01:39-01:40"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"timestamp" : "01:41-01:42",
"text" : "Here."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:42-01:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Mayor Brownstone?"
},
{
"text" : "Here.",
"timestamp" : "01:44-01:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:44-01:45",
"text" : "We have a quorum.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:46-01:46",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:47-01:50",
"text" : "Uh can we all please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:50-01:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "02:17-02:18"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:24-02:27",
"text" : "I move that we approve the agenda.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Can I get a second?",
"timestamp" : "02:27-02:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:30-02:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "All those in favor say aye."
},
{
"text" : "Aye.",
"timestamp" : "02:32-02:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "All those opposed.",
"timestamp" : "02:33-02:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Agenda is approved.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "02:36-02:38"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Reporting in progress.",
"timestamp" : "02:42-02:44"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:47-02:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Great, thank you."
},
{
"text" : "Um any additional announcements, uh Matthew, of our upcoming events in November?",
"timestamp" : "02:50-02:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "We'll actually cover that during CM updates if that's okay.",
"timestamp" : "02:57-03:00"
},
{
"text" : "Thank you.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "03:01-03:01"
},
{
"text" : "Report out from recent closed session.",
"timestamp" : "03:02-03:04",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "03:05-03:06",
"text" : "Uh thank you, Mayor and Council."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "03:07-03:11",
"text" : "The council do meet in closed session earlier this evening to discuss three items."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "One item of anticipated litigation, one item public information.",
"timestamp" : "03:11-03:14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:14-03:25",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "employee performance evaluation of City Manager Matthew Chittister and a third item of existing litigation, the City of Hafen Bay versus Granada, CSD and Monterra WSD."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Nothing to report out from closed session.",
"timestamp" : "03:26-03:28"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:32-03:34",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you, appreciate the report."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:34-03:37",
"text" : "Um City Manager updates.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:38-03:38",
"text" : "Thank you, Mr.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Mayor.",
"timestamp" : "03:38-03:39"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "03:39-03:41",
"text" : "We have three very brief updates tonight."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "03:41-03:46",
"text" : "I believe the first will be with Irma Costa from the city manager's office."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"timestamp" : "03:55-03:58",
"text" : "Um good evening, Mayor, Council members, and members of the"
},
{
"text" : "members of the public, um Irma Acosta, Economic and Community Vitality Division.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"timestamp" : "03:58-04:02"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"timestamp" : "04:02-04:07",
"text" : "Um and I just wanted to take a moment to update everyone on an important"
},
{
"text" : "Issue that we're seeing in our community.",
"timestamp" : "04:07-04:09",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"timestamp" : "04:10-04:17",
"text" : "Due to the ongoing federal shutdown, more families are experiencing food insecurity."
},
{
"text" : "Local food banks",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"timestamp" : "04:17-04:18"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "In community organizations are reporting an increase in demand, and many are stretched thin to meet the need.",
"timestamp" : "04:18-04:26"
},
{
"timestamp" : "04:26-04:29",
"text" : "These groups are doing incredible work.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"timestamp" : "04:29-04:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "but they can't do it alone."
},
{
"timestamp" : "04:31-04:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "So they are asking for volunteers and community support to help keep food on the table for our neighbors."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "If you're able",
"timestamp" : "04:38-04:39"
},
{
"text" : "Please consider volunteering your time or donating to a food pantry or meal program.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"timestamp" : "04:39-04:45"
},
{
"timestamp" : "04:46-04:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "On this screen, you can find some upcoming volunteer opportunities with some local"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "organizations and you can also find more information on our website about other opportunities for involvement.",
"timestamp" : "04:52-05:01"
},
{
"timestamp" : "05:01-05:02",
"text" : "Thank you",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "05:04-05:05",
"text" : "Thank you."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Appreciate that.",
"timestamp" : "05:05-05:06"
},
{
"timestamp" : "05:06-05:07",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you, Irma."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "I will take a brief moment to uh announce a couple of upcoming events.",
"timestamp" : "05:08-05:12"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "We're really excited.",
"timestamp" : "05:13-05:14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "05:14-05:19",
"text" : "This Friday night will be the very first Diwali celebration in Half Moon Bay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Dwali is a Hindu tradition, the festival of lights.",
"timestamp" : "05:19-05:25"
},
{
"timestamp" : "05:25-05:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "And we've worked with some of our community members who have been interested in doing this."
},
{
"timestamp" : "05:30-05:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "And we're happy to support and partner with them as they kick off this new venture."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "The event will be this Friday night from 6 to 8 p.",
"timestamp" : "05:35-05:39"
},
{
"text" : "m.",
"timestamp" : "05:39-05:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "05:39-05:42",
"text" : "At Maktucha Plaza in downtown Half Moon Bay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "05:43-05:47",
"text" : "And um there will be music, there will be henna tattoos."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "There will be arts and crafts for children, and really the goal is just to introduce some additional culture to our community.",
"timestamp" : "05:48-05:55"
},
{
"text" : "Um interestingly enough, we've had uh a an influx of um Indian residents over the last several years that have started to create a",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "05:56-06:06"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "06:06-06:11",
"text" : "A new cultural community on the coast, and this is an opportunity to recognize some of our new neighbors."
},
{
"timestamp" : "06:11-06:15",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "And I think it's a really cool way to also kick off the holiday season."
},
{
"text" : "It's a festival of lights.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "06:15-06:16"
},
{
"text" : "And as we know we've got Nights of Lights coming up and uh it's it's really cool and it kind of kicks off",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "06:17-06:24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "06:24-06:28",
"text" : "following the um Día de los Muertos uh events that have been going on.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "06:29-06:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "So it's it's a cool opportunity."
},
{
"text" : "We're excited to be part of it and we hope people will come and attend.",
"timestamp" : "06:30-06:34",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Also share for folks",
"timestamp" : "06:34-06:36"
},
{
"timestamp" : "06:36-06:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Friday is considered the kickoff of the holiday shopping season, and so many of our downtown businesses will be open late."
},
{
"text" : "hosting their own little parties in their stores and they hope that for folks that are coming out to enjoy this event they'll, you know, pop in and and maybe start uh at least looking at what they want to buy for the holidays.",
"timestamp" : "06:45-06:56",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "Main Street is a great place to shop for the holidays, so",
"timestamp" : "06:57-06:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "07:00-07:03",
"text" : "want to make sure we plug our uh our local businesses.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Um next Monday, uh Main Street and Kelly.",
"timestamp" : "07:04-07:07"
},
{
"text" : "Yeah.",
"timestamp" : "07:08-07:08",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "Um on Monday night we will hold our annual uh Veterans Eve event.",
"timestamp" : "07:10-07:16",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "07:16-07:20",
"text" : "Um this is an opportunity for us to recognize our local veterans.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "It's a pretty low-key event.",
"timestamp" : "07:20-07:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "And it's really just an opportunity for us to recognize those in our community that have served our country and defended our freedoms and our liberties.",
"timestamp" : "07:22-07:29",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "And I think this is our fourth year doing it.",
"timestamp" : "07:30-07:32"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "07:32-07:39",
"text" : "And it's it's usually a small event, but really appreciated by our local vets and just an opportunity to recognize"
},
{
"timestamp" : "07:39-07:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "So that's from six to seven PM on Monday night."
},
{
"timestamp" : "07:42-07:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Um, you know, city offices will be closed on Tuesday, so this is an opportunity before we go into the"
},
{
"text" : "Veterans Day Holiday holiday to recognize those veterans.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "07:48-07:51"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "We'll have some cookies and treats and some some warm drinks.",
"timestamp" : "07:51-07:55"
},
{
"text" : "It'll probably be cool as it has been.",
"timestamp" : "07:56-07:58",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "And we're looking forward to recognizing our veterans.",
"timestamp" : "07:58-08:02",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "And that's it.",
"timestamp" : "08:02-08:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you, Matthew.",
"timestamp" : "08:04-08:05"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Um okay, there we go.",
"timestamp" : "08:06-08:09"
},
{
"timestamp" : "08:10-08:23",
"text" : "So we're now going to have open up our public forum, and that's open to everybody who's in the room and also people who are here remotely.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "08:25-08:36",
"text" : "If you are attending on Zoom and did wish to participate, please indicate by raising your hand.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "08:36-08:37",
"text" : "on Zoom.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "08:38-08:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Okay, so the way this works is for those of you who know or don't know, each person has three minutes to speak if there's language interpretation involved."
},
{
"timestamp" : "08:49-08:54",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "That person will there'll be six minutes total uh for the translation."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "08:55-08:59",
"text" : "And we ask that people do not applause."
},
{
"text" : "after someone speaks, it makes it more comfortable and safer for folks who might be coming up, especially for the first time, and they may be a little nervous.",
"timestamp" : "09:00-09:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "And so we just ask that people um listen respectfully.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "09:10-09:15"
},
{
"text" : "And with that, we'll begin with our first uh speaker, who is Debora Penrose.",
"timestamp" : "09:16-09:25",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "Can you hear me now?",
"timestamp" : "09:46-09:47"
},
{
"text" : "Yes.",
"timestamp" : "09:48-09:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "09:49-09:49",
"text" : "Good evening."
},
{
"text" : "I'm speaking tonight as an elected official and as an angry and frightened citizen of the United States.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "09:50-09:56"
},
{
"text" : "We are losing our democracy and becoming an autocracy, a dictatorship.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "09:57-10:04"
},
{
"timestamp" : "10:05-10:10",
"text" : "Countries that slide from democracy tend to follow similar patterns.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"timestamp" : "10:10-10:13",
"text" : "Here are 12 markers that describe how the U.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "10:13-10:13",
"text" : "S."
},
{
"text" : "has regressed and is already becoming an autocracy.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "10:13-10:18"
},
{
"timestamp" : "10:19-10:32",
"text" : "A political system limiting personal freedom, suppressing opposition, and controlling civil liberties by enforcing strict obedience at the expense of personal freedom.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "Autocrats stifle dissent and speech.",
"timestamp" : "10:33-10:37"
},
{
"text" : "Autocrats persecute political opponents.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "10:38-10:41"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "10:43-10:46",
"text" : "Autocrats bypass the legislature."
},
{
"text" : "Autocrats use the military for domestic control.",
"timestamp" : "10:47-10:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "10:53-10:56",
"text" : "Autocrats defy the courts."
},
{
"text" : "Autocrats declare national emergencies on false pretenses.",
"timestamp" : "10:56-11:02",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"timestamp" : "11:03-11:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "Autocrats vilify marginalized groups."
},
{
"timestamp" : "11:07-11:11",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "Autocrats control information and the news media."
},
{
"text" : "Autocrats try to take over universities.",
"timestamp" : "11:11-11:14",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"text" : "Autocrats create a cult of personality.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "11:15-11:19"
},
{
"text" : "Autocrats use power for personal profit.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "11:20-11:24"
},
{
"text" : "Autocrats manipulate the law to stay in power.",
"timestamp" : "11:24-11:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "The frightening fact is that the current government has regressed on all of these twelve, and we have already lost what most of Americans hold dear.",
"timestamp" : "11:29-11:40"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "Our individual freedom and our ability to elect and hold responsible our dealers.",
"timestamp" : "11:40-11:46"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "We no longer have the luxury of time.",
"timestamp" : "11:47-11:50"
},
{
"timestamp" : "11:51-11:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "Now is the time to protest."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "It is critical that every elected official who swore to uphold the constitutions of the United States of America and of the state of California",
"timestamp" : "11:54-12:04"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "12:04-12:09",
"text" : "show that they are willing to defend them by speaking out against tyranny."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "12:13-12:14",
"text" : "Thank you."
},
{
"timestamp" : "12:15-12:17",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Our next speaker"
},
{
"text" : "And actually, apologies.",
"timestamp" : "12:19-12:20",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "12:20-12:24",
"text" : "I like to say who the next speaker is and then the one after that so they can be ready."
},
{
"timestamp" : "12:24-12:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So uh the next speaker will be Jennifer Moore, and she will be followed by Sandy Vella."
},
{
"text" : "Good evening, Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council, City Staff, everyone here.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 10",
"timestamp" : "12:33-12:38"
},
{
"text" : "My name is Jennifer Moore.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 10",
"timestamp" : "12:38-12:40"
},
{
"timestamp" : "12:40-12:42",
"text" : "I'm a local resident.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 10"
},
{
"timestamp" : "12:41-12:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 10",
"text" : "I have a business right up the street."
},
{
"text" : "And I'm just here because I care about my community and I have a lot of passion.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 10",
"timestamp" : "12:44-12:49"
},
{
"text" : "As we move forward with the lease agreement, oh let me put my glasses on.",
"timestamp" : "12:50-12:55",
"speaker" : "Speaker 10"
},
{
"text" : "Sorry.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 10",
"timestamp" : "12:55-12:56"
},
{
"text" : "With our lease agreement involving mercy and a loss, I strongly recommend that we engage in a our own land use real estate attorney to represent",
"timestamp" : "12:56-13:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 10"
},
{
"text" : "Jennifer, do you keep speaking in the mic because I have a good thing?",
"timestamp" : "13:11-13:13",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "13:16-13:17",
"text" : "Do you want me to start over?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 10"
},
{
"text" : "It is essential that the city staff take lead in developing and reviewing lease terms rather than relying on Mercy Housing to manage this process.",
"timestamp" : "13:20-13:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 10"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 10",
"text" : "Given the fact that Mercy Housing stands to generate substantial revenue from this project, it is reasonable for the city of Hafoon Bay to ensure that there they also benefit appropriately.",
"timestamp" : "13:28-13:41"
},
{
"timestamp" : "13:41-13:53",
"text" : "By maintaining control over the lease, development, and legal review, we can better safeguard the city's interest, ensure fair, equitable outcome to all parties involved",
"speaker" : "Speaker 10"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 10",
"text" : "Additionally, with the city of Halfam Bay's current structural deficit, I believe it would be prudent not to consider medical insurance for council members.",
"timestamp" : "13:54-14:05"
},
{
"timestamp" : "14:05-14:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 10",
"text" : "Members at this time."
},
{
"text" : "We need to commit to fiscal responsibility and demonstrate leadership managing limited public resources.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 10",
"timestamp" : "14:06-14:12"
},
{
"timestamp" : "14:13-14:14",
"text" : "Thank you for tonight.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 10"
},
{
"text" : "Thank you, Jennifer.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "14:15-14:17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "14:18-14:25",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Our next speaker is Sandy Vella, who will be followed by Joaquin Jimenez."
},
{
"timestamp" : "14:26-14:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "Good evening, everybody."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "Uh I have a couple uh comments.",
"timestamp" : "14:28-14:31"
},
{
"text" : "Um my name is Sandy Vella, uh 60-year coastal resident living downtown Hafoom Bay.",
"timestamp" : "14:31-14:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11"
},
{
"text" : "Uh please paint",
"timestamp" : "14:38-14:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "the Main Street bridge.",
"timestamp" : "14:40-14:41"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "It's a it's driving me crazy.",
"timestamp" : "14:41-14:43"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "I understand that February is a target date.",
"timestamp" : "14:43-14:47"
},
{
"text" : "If we could hold that, that would be",
"timestamp" : "14:47-14:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11"
},
{
"text" : "Great.",
"timestamp" : "14:49-14:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11"
},
{
"text" : "You know, it's been feeling for far too long.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"timestamp" : "14:49-14:51"
},
{
"timestamp" : "14:52-14:54",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "So thank you uh for doing that."
},
{
"timestamp" : "14:55-14:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "Uh the other one's 555 Kelly."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "As it relates to 555 Kelly, the city of Hafoon Bay, should really be the author.",
"timestamp" : "14:57-15:03"
},
{
"text" : "of the 555 Kelly agreement being drawn up, not mercy or a loss.",
"timestamp" : "15:03-15:09",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "And that way we could cleanly draw up our requirements on our paper.",
"timestamp" : "15:09-15:15"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "And consider adding mercy and loss requests via an addendum so it's nice and clean.",
"timestamp" : "15:15-15:21"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "Please open up the current draft",
"timestamp" : "15:21-15:24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "agreement for review by the public.",
"timestamp" : "15:24-15:27"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "Public would like to suggest adding, removing, modifying terms, or we, you know, just maybe we can just submit them to you guys.",
"timestamp" : "15:27-15:35"
},
{
"text" : "And you can collect them.",
"timestamp" : "15:35-15:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11"
},
{
"text" : "And we'd like to do this before anything signed.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"timestamp" : "15:39-15:42"
},
{
"timestamp" : "15:42-15:44",
"text" : "So get our comments early on.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11"
},
{
"text" : "If there's a huge glaring issue, love to see it in advance.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"timestamp" : "15:44-15:49"
},
{
"text" : "Please use outside counsel, specifically a real estate agent or land use attorney to review.",
"timestamp" : "15:48-15:55",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"timestamp" : "15:55-16:00",
"text" : "We need legal specialist to advise us."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "Uh I don't think we have the qualifications on our staff to really negotiate and even understand all the terms that are presented.",
"timestamp" : "16:00-16:08"
},
{
"text" : "And again, you know, I I would strongly suggest don't approve the one dollar lease for nine.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"timestamp" : "16:09-16:14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "99 years.",
"timestamp" : "16:14-16:15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "16:15-16:17",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "I know we've all talked about this before."
},
{
"text" : "We can't afford this extraordinary and really outlandish request.",
"timestamp" : "16:17-16:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11"
},
{
"timestamp" : "16:22-16:24",
"text" : "We need to consider all Half Hoom Bay interest.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"timestamp" : "16:25-16:31",
"text" : "and constituents when drawing up a long-term agreement that will impact all of us for years and years to come."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"timestamp" : "16:32-16:37",
"text" : "And then finally I want to thank you guys for helping to to remove the long-term part"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "RVs on Main Street.",
"timestamp" : "16:38-16:40"
},
{
"text" : "So we we noticed it that's great.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"timestamp" : "16:40-16:43"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "You know, they were an eyes or now it's gone.",
"timestamp" : "16:44-16:46"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "It's beautiful.",
"timestamp" : "16:46-16:47"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"timestamp" : "16:47-16:51",
"text" : "If we can continue to tag RVs in Hafume that have not moved."
},
{
"text" : "For three days it'd be perfect.",
"timestamp" : "16:51-16:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "Stagnant RVs will become more and more of a problem to Hafoon Bay since San Francisco will be addressing stagnant RVs with a priority.",
"timestamp" : "16:53-17:01"
},
{
"text" : "And that's it.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"timestamp" : "17:02-17:03"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "Thanks.",
"timestamp" : "17:03-17:04"
},
{
"timestamp" : "17:04-17:05",
"text" : "Thank you, Sani.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Our next speaker is Joaquin Jimenez, followed by Anita Rees.",
"timestamp" : "17:06-17:13"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "Uh good evening, honorable mayor, vice mayor, council members, uh city staff, uh, and members of the public.",
"timestamp" : "17:15-17:23"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "Uh Matthew, uh",
"timestamp" : "17:23-17:25"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"timestamp" : "17:25-17:26",
"text" : "Sorry, interrupt."
},
{
"text" : "Can you please share the flyers with uh council members?",
"timestamp" : "17:26-17:29",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"timestamp" : "17:36-17:42",
"text" : "November twenty-second, uh music and vendor events, uh uh support local businesses",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"text" : "uh or small businesses, music invors.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"timestamp" : "17:43-17:47"
},
{
"timestamp" : "17:47-17:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "Everybody's welcome."
},
{
"timestamp" : "17:49-17:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "First event is going to be happening Magdutra Plaza."
},
{
"text" : "Uh I'm gonna have a series of events happening in that area.",
"timestamp" : "17:53-17:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "The second event will be uh preparing for uh December 20th.",
"timestamp" : "17:58-18:01"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "Uh this is uh a plan to uh to help our local businesses, downtown association, already I called uh Betsy Del Fierro.",
"timestamp" : "18:02-18:11"
},
{
"timestamp" : "18:11-18:13",
"text" : "to let her know about the uh the event is happening.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"text" : "I visited some of the shops downtown and left some of the flyers to promote this event.",
"timestamp" : "18:13-18:20",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"timestamp" : "18:20-18:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "We have a lot of small businesses, you know, in our community that need our support and just preparing them to have to come to downtown."
},
{
"text" : "you know and have a great time.",
"timestamp" : "18:30-18:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"timestamp" : "18:32-18:41",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "Public Library plans to be there and have activities for the families and uh several of the vendors that we see usually see on Makey Main Street"
},
{
"text" : "uh some of the other vendors that visit the area you know to different festivals and this is just uh you know uh",
"timestamp" : "18:41-18:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"timestamp" : "18:49-18:53",
"text" : "A plan, you know, to uh to bring more people downtown."
},
{
"timestamp" : "18:53-19:00",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "You know, we get a lot of visitors, you know, on the weekends, and we want them to enjoy visiting Halfum Bay"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "uh the plan to have music, you know, activities and uh make it fun.",
"timestamp" : "19:00-19:05"
},
{
"text" : "You know, make it fun and uh hopefully our economy will benefit from it.",
"timestamp" : "19:05-19:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"timestamp" : "19:10-19:14",
"text" : "You know that is the whole idea, you know, visiting Hafoon Bay and uh",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"timestamp" : "19:14-19:16",
"text" : "they they get to know a downtown area."
},
{
"timestamp" : "19:17-19:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "So please join us uh November twenty second, uh twelve to five, you know, for music and vendors"
},
{
"text" : "And then uh when we're ready for uh in December, uh we'll also come back and I invite you to join us for December 20th.",
"timestamp" : "19:23-19:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"text" : "No same time, uh same location, all the permits are ready uh in",
"timestamp" : "19:30-19:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"timestamp" : "19:37-19:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "I read apply for all the make sure you know cover every angle uh to make sure uh everything is done the right way."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "19:43-19:44"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "19:44-19:46",
"text" : "Thank you, Joaquin"
},
{
"text" : "Anita.",
"timestamp" : "19:50-19:50",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "19:51-19:52",
"text" : "Anita Reese, thanks."
},
{
"timestamp" : "19:56-19:58",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"text" : "Hello, Anita Reese with the uh unhealthy"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"timestamp" : "19:59-20:00",
"text" : "on the Coast Outreach Program."
},
{
"text" : "It's a program of the Pacifica Resource Center, which is primarily funded by the San Mateo County Center on Homelessness.",
"timestamp" : "20:00-20:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13"
},
{
"timestamp" : "20:07-20:09",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"text" : "We provide outreach and engagement"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"text" : "And case management services to unhoused folks on San Mateo County coast from Pacifica to Pescadero with the goal of helping them return to housing.",
"timestamp" : "20:09-20:17"
},
{
"text" : "Outreach staff is available seven days a week.",
"timestamp" : "20:17-20:20",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13"
},
{
"timestamp" : "20:20-20:21",
"text" : "Monday through Friday, 9 a.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13"
},
{
"timestamp" : "20:21-20:22",
"text" : "to 10 p.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13"
},
{
"timestamp" : "20:22-20:22",
"text" : "m.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13"
},
{
"text" : "and Saturday, Sunday and holidays 9 to 5.",
"timestamp" : "20:22-20:25",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13"
},
{
"timestamp" : "20:25-20:29",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"text" : "And we respond to outreach requests within three hours during that time."
},
{
"text" : "If you see someone living outside or in a vehicle, please call us at 650-452-6279 or email us at UCOutreach at PACResource Center.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"timestamp" : "20:29-20:39"
},
{
"text" : "org.",
"timestamp" : "20:39-20:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"text" : "As of today, there are 32 individuals who are unhoused in Hafoon Bay, four encampments with 14 folks living in them and 19 others not in encampments.",
"timestamp" : "20:40-20:49"
},
{
"text" : "I will note that of the four encampments, only two are active.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"timestamp" : "20:49-20:52"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"text" : "The other two are still noted as encampments, but they are empty.",
"timestamp" : "20:52-20:56"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"text" : "I want to thank City Manager Chedister and City Staff and Sheriffs and the Sheriff's Department for being part of the",
"timestamp" : "20:57-21:03"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"text" : "For example, we've been able to move two folks living in motor homes who are staying on Main Street.",
"timestamp" : "21:04-21:10"
},
{
"timestamp" : "21:10-21:12",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"text" : "Both are on their way to housing."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"text" : "One has been matched with a housing subsidy and is currently",
"timestamp" : "21:13-21:16"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"text" : "currently looking for a rental and the other we were able to help them move their belongings out of the art out of their motor home and provided incentive funds for them to give up their motor home",
"timestamp" : "21:16-21:27"
},
{
"timestamp" : "21:27-21:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"text" : "Home for good."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"text" : "The motor home has since been towed and is off-city streets.",
"timestamp" : "21:28-21:32"
},
{
"text" : "They are now reconnecting with family and searching for housing.",
"timestamp" : "21:32-21:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 13"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 13",
"timestamp" : "21:35-21:41",
"text" : "So again, I just want to thank you all for your partnership as we help unhouse folks in Half Moon Bay return to housing."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "21:43-21:47",
"text" : "Thank you, Anita, and greatly appreciate the work uh your organization is doing."
},
{
"timestamp" : "21:47-21:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "It's really having a positive impact."
},
{
"timestamp" : "21:49-21:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So thank you very much."
},
{
"text" : "I don't think we have anybody online.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "21:55-21:56"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "21:56-21:58",
"text" : "I'll just double check."
},
{
"text" : "And that's all our speakers today for public forum.",
"timestamp" : "21:59-22:02",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Public forum is now closed.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "22:03-22:06"
},
{
"text" : "We will now move on to our consent calendar.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "22:06-22:10"
},
{
"timestamp" : "22:11-22:11",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Um"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Let's see.",
"timestamp" : "22:13-22:13"
},
{
"text" : "Same situation, uh a couple of items here that we had last time.",
"timestamp" : "22:14-22:18",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "22:19-22:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So um first of all, is there anyone who wants to pull any item?"
},
{
"timestamp" : "22:23-22:25",
"text" : "I know it's uh Paul and Patrick.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "You will be abstaining from items eight A through eight C because you are not here to approve though, to participate, so nothing to approve.",
"timestamp" : "22:25-22:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "22:36-22:36",
"text" : "Um",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "22:38-22:44",
"text" : "I don't think there's anything else being pulled at this point, but just want to double check before we go through it."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "22:45-22:52",
"text" : "So it's it's actually a 8BC and D."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Oh sorry, that's right.",
"timestamp" : "22:54-22:54"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "22:54-22:56",
"text" : "I've been looking at eight day."
},
{
"timestamp" : "22:56-22:56",
"text" : "Thank you for that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Okay, that's right.",
"timestamp" : "22:56-22:58"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Okay, so I'll do those separately.",
"timestamp" : "22:58-23:00"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "23:00-23:01",
"text" : "Um"
},
{
"timestamp" : "23:02-23:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "First, can I get a motion from the remaining three of us to approve um actually I'll I'll move."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "23:10-23:13",
"text" : "I move that we approve items"
},
{
"text" : "B, C, and D, which include approving the minutes of the January 19th, 2022 special session, the March 1st, 2022 regular meeting,",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "23:13-23:25"
},
{
"text" : "And the minutes of the February 15th, 2022 special meeting.",
"timestamp" : "23:25-23:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Can I get a second?",
"timestamp" : "23:31-23:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "23:32-23:33",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Second."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "All those in favor say aye.",
"timestamp" : "23:33-23:35"
},
{
"text" : "Aye.",
"timestamp" : "23:36-23:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "All those opposed?",
"timestamp" : "23:38-23:39"
},
{
"timestamp" : "23:41-23:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you."
},
{
"timestamp" : "23:43-23:46",
"text" : "Okay, now for the rest of the consent calendar.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Including I move that we approve items ADE, approve the minutes of October 16th, 2025, special meeting, minutes of October 21st, 2025, special meeting.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "23:47-23:59"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "minutes of the October 21st, 2025 regular meeting.",
"timestamp" : "23:59-24:03"
},
{
"timestamp" : "24:04-24:08",
"text" : "The Treasurer's report for the quarter end during September 30th, 2025.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "And item, that was item 8H, sorry.",
"timestamp" : "24:09-24:13"
},
{
"timestamp" : "24:13-24:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Item 8i, adopting a resolution authorizing the city manager to execute a licensing agreement."
},
{
"text" : "with the Seahorse Ranch for non-exclusive use of city property along Poplar Beach for a term ending December 31st, 2030.",
"timestamp" : "24:21-24:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "24:32-24:41",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "At an initial annual rate of thirteen thousand one hundred seventeen dollars with a three percent annual increase throughout the term."
},
{
"text" : "Move approval.",
"timestamp" : "24:42-24:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "24:45-24:46",
"text" : "Second."
},
{
"text" : "Um I think we need do we need a roll call on that peripherally?",
"timestamp" : "24:47-24:50",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Uh yes, it does involve money.",
"timestamp" : "24:51-24:52"
},
{
"timestamp" : "24:55-24:56",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Councilmember Johnson."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Absolutely yes.",
"timestamp" : "24:56-24:57"
},
{
"text" : "Councilmember Nagengast?",
"timestamp" : "24:58-24:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"timestamp" : "24:59-25:00",
"text" : "Yes.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"timestamp" : "25:00-25:01",
"text" : "Councilmember Penrose?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Yes.",
"timestamp" : "25:01-25:02"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Vice Mayor Ruddick?",
"timestamp" : "25:02-25:03"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"timestamp" : "25:03-25:04",
"text" : "Yes."
},
{
"timestamp" : "25:04-25:05",
"text" : "Mayor Brownstone?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"text" : "Yes.",
"timestamp" : "25:05-25:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Motion carries.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "25:06-25:07"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "25:07-25:08",
"text" : "Great."
},
{
"text" : "Moving on to ordinances and public hearings, we're going to begin with item 9A, the introduction of an ordinance adding Chapter 7.",
"timestamp" : "25:08-25:17",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "25:17-25:20",
"text" : "65 Commercial Vitality Ordinance.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "to the Half Moon Bay Municipal Code.",
"timestamp" : "25:21-25:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Great.",
"timestamp" : "25:52-25:52"
},
{
"timestamp" : "25:52-25:53",
"text" : "Good evening, Mr.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"text" : "Mayor, Council, and Community.",
"timestamp" : "25:53-25:54",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"timestamp" : "25:55-25:56",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "My name is Karen Decker."
},
{
"text" : "I'm your economic and community vitality manager.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "25:56-25:59"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Welcome to the first reading of the Commercial Vitality Ordinance.",
"timestamp" : "26:00-26:04"
},
{
"timestamp" : "26:04-26:10",
"text" : "This ordinance establishes standards for neglected and empty commercial storefronts.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"timestamp" : "26:13-26:20",
"text" : "So currently the city does not have a specific mechanism to regulate empty commercial properties.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"text" : "nor does it require specific standards around upkeep of commercial properties generally.",
"timestamp" : "26:20-26:26",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"timestamp" : "26:27-26:33",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "We have heard feedback about empty and neglected storefronts in the past, but this year there was"
},
{
"timestamp" : "26:33-26:46",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Quite a bit of feedback starting at community listening sessions back in January and February, during council priority setting, meetings of the Downtown Association, and public comment from time to time."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Given that feedback, staff conducted research and we did more of an in-depth discussion of this topic during the study session on October 7th.",
"timestamp" : "26:47-26:57"
},
{
"timestamp" : "26:58-27:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "We know that empty or neglected storefronts pose things that do are not helpful to Half Moon Bay."
},
{
"timestamp" : "27:05-27:06",
"text" : "They contribute to urban",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"timestamp" : "27:07-27:12",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "reduced property values, it's demoralizing for property owners that do comply."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "And there are safety and public health risks around cleanliness and whatnot",
"timestamp" : "27:13-27:18"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "So the overall goal of the ordinance is intended to support active and attractive and safe commercial areas in Half Moon Bay.",
"timestamp" : "27:18-27:27"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "27:30-27:34",
"text" : "The proposed ordinance would add a new section, section 7."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "65, to our municipal code.",
"timestamp" : "27:34-27:36"
},
{
"text" : "It would specify standards that don't currently exist, and it would require property owners to notify the city whenever a storefront is going to be vacant.",
"timestamp" : "27:37-27:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "At this time there's not really a reason or um an incentive for property owners to engage with the city.",
"timestamp" : "27:48-27:54"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "27:55-27:56",
"text" : "And so I think that"
},
{
"timestamp" : "27:56-28:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "By adding this requirement, not only would we not have to rely on um just walking by or word of mouth whenever there's been churn in the city."
},
{
"timestamp" : "28:05-28:12",
"text" : "Um but it necessit it necessitates a conversation between a property owner or the responsible party with city staff.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"text" : "It also establishes maintenance and display standards, which we haven't had before, and it provides the city with enforcement tools.",
"timestamp" : "28:13-28:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"text" : "Collaboration with property owners is really at the central, um, is really central to the ordinance.",
"timestamp" : "28:24-28:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "So",
"timestamp" : "28:30-28:30"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "28:31-28:39",
"text" : "Whenever possible, staff, including our compliance officer, will opt for educating and collaborating instead of jumping right into"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "um accountability.",
"timestamp" : "28:39-28:41"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "But should there be situations where we may have some bad actors or those who are not incentivized by the other means, the city would have leverage to follow up.",
"timestamp" : "28:41-28:52"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "28:52-28:55",
"text" : "Many other cities have versions of this ordinance."
},
{
"text" : "Several use complex registration systems that more match a larger city with much larger staff.",
"timestamp" : "28:55-29:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"text" : "This approach is streamlined for half moon base scale.",
"timestamp" : "29:03-29:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Not introducing multiple forms or new software to complicate compliance was important to staff and stakeholders.",
"timestamp" : "29:07-29:14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "29:15-29:18",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "And staff received quite a bit of input."
},
{
"text" : "We engaged with other economic cities that participate in economic development associations for which the city participates.",
"timestamp" : "29:19-29:27",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "29:27-29:35",
"text" : "And so there was a lot of institutional knowledge and collective wisdom from jurisdictions who have already tried and implemented this, which was really helpful."
},
{
"timestamp" : "29:36-29:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "We also chatted with downtown groups."
},
{
"timestamp" : "29:39-29:46",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Some local businesses were really generous with the amount of time that they took to sit down and chat with me about their concerns and their ideas."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "29:47-29:49",
"text" : "commercial real estate representatives."
},
{
"text" : "So really appreciate those folks who took their time to weigh in on this topic.",
"timestamp" : "29:49-29:54",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Um public notice was also published in the Daily Journey Journal on October 24th, which is a requirement of this process.",
"timestamp" : "29:54-30:01"
},
{
"timestamp" : "30:03-30:07",
"text" : "And just back to that study session that I had mentioned earlier.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"timestamp" : "30:07-30:13",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "So just a general summary, there was overall support for this concept."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "30:13-30:16",
"text" : "It's something that council has asked for, the community has asked for."
},
{
"text" : "And that session afforded us an opportunity to hear from additional community members and get guidance from the council.",
"timestamp" : "30:16-30:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"text" : "In addition to that general support of the ordinance, there was discussion about honoring the uniqueness of each storefront and avoiding overly.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "30:25-30:34"
},
{
"text" : "prescriptive regulations while also calling for more specificity around the role of the compliance officer.",
"timestamp" : "30:34-30:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Council members also emphasize the importance of encouraging merchants and business operators to really take pride and ownership in maintaining their storefronts.",
"timestamp" : "30:43-30:52"
},
{
"timestamp" : "30:55-31:06",
"text" : "As a result of feedback throughout this research and specifically that study session, staff went back to the draft, and this is just a summary of some of the key revisions that were made.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"timestamp" : "31:06-31:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "And they generally fell under this umbrella of cleanliness and maintenance."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "So following the study session, staff revised the ordinance to reflect that feedback.",
"timestamp" : "31:10-31:15"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "And in particular, staff added provisions to address these concerns around commercial properties.",
"timestamp" : "31:16-31:21"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "31:22-31:26",
"text" : "So clean awnings and legible exterior lettering."
},
{
"text" : "We added more specific language around dumpsters and trash cans, that they must remain enclosed, that no trash or waste is left outside of receptacles.",
"timestamp" : "31:26-31:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "31:37-31:42",
"text" : "And that regular cleaning and maintaining of exteriors and interiors is important."
},
{
"text" : "We also provided clarification around standards",
"timestamp" : "31:45-31:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"timestamp" : "31:49-32:01",
"text" : "So ordinance um the ordinance defines specific upkeep and maintenance obligations for commercial properties supported by clear enforcement guidelines to ensure consistency.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"timestamp" : "32:02-32:15",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "The ordinance also references compliance with the code, the city code generally, but we also intentionally pointed to specific parts of state health and safety code."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "32:15-32:18",
"text" : "There are some parts of that code that are irrelevant because they apply"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "State code that give our compliance officer a lot of leverage in terms of maintaining standards for commercial properties.",
"timestamp" : "32:25-32:33"
},
{
"text" : "And it provides property owners an extensive list of what those requirements are.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "32:33-32:37"
},
{
"text" : "Staff also included examples around the section of the ordinance that talks about empty storefronts.",
"timestamp" : "32:42-32:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"text" : "And we did this to provide property owners with options for temporary displays in street-facing windows that have been vacant for more than 90 days.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "32:49-32:59"
},
{
"text" : "The intent is to encourage storefronts to appear active and visually attractive while minimizing regulatory burden on property owners and limiting the need for extensive staff involvement.",
"timestamp" : "33:00-33:11",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "So compliance with uh having an empty storefront that remains active could look like simulating that a business is inside, could be a desk with some flowers.",
"timestamp" : "33:11-33:22"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "We could point them in the direction of working with downtown organizations that have maps, the history association with QR codes.",
"timestamp" : "33:23-33:31"
},
{
"timestamp" : "33:31-33:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "I was just chatting with the superintendent of Cabrillo Unified and Dr."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "33:35-33:43",
"text" : "Amir Amontes is happy to put staff in touch with the high school or the middle school to bring in uh student art from a local level."
},
{
"timestamp" : "33:43-33:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "So"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "There's a lot of cost-effective ways to activate spaces that need not be cumbersome or expensive.",
"timestamp" : "33:44-33:49"
},
{
"text" : "So next steps.",
"timestamp" : "33:56-33:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "33:57-34:06",
"text" : "If Council introduces the ordinance this evening, and if any revisions are modest, in which I'm sure Catherine could provide guidance."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Um then this would proceed to a second reading, and then this would take effect 30 days after that adoption.",
"timestamp" : "34:06-34:13"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "34:15-34:22",
"text" : "I'm happy to answer any clarifying questions before I turn it over to the mayor to open up the public hearing."
},
{
"timestamp" : "34:22-34:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Thank you."
},
{
"text" : "Any um clarifying questions from council?",
"timestamp" : "34:25-34:27",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "34:28-34:29",
"text" : "So Karen, the report's really good.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Sorry about that.",
"timestamp" : "34:31-34:31"
},
{
"timestamp" : "34:32-34:33",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "The report's really good."
},
{
"timestamp" : "34:33-34:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Um it's kind of what I was drawing."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "34:36-34:39",
"text" : "into months ago with Betsy at It's Italia."
},
{
"text" : "She's actually is the one that you know brought this forward to me.",
"timestamp" : "34:39-34:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "The planners, this walkways, the leaves, the printers building, the sign's gonna fall through.",
"timestamp" : "34:42-34:47"
},
{
"text" : "down and hit somebody, can I put some kids drawings on the building so it looks better because we're doing all these events?",
"timestamp" : "34:47-34:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "34:53-34:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "So she really brought this forward."
},
{
"timestamp" : "34:57-34:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "And this is what we got now."
},
{
"text" : "But I'm a little a little worried here because I'm getting texts from her that she didn't really get a chance to put a bite of the apple.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "34:59-35:05"
},
{
"timestamp" : "35:05-35:07",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Did you get a chance to talk to her about this one?"
},
{
"text" : "Did she see this?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "35:07-35:08"
},
{
"timestamp" : "35:09-35:20",
"text" : "This was introduced to um at the downtown association meetings and then copies of the ordinance was provided to the chamber and downtown association for distribution among their membership.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"text" : "I'm still happy to sit down with any business owner that wants to do a deeper dive.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "35:20-35:25"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "I didn't hear particularly from her, but it's not too late and I'm happy to do that.",
"timestamp" : "35:25-35:29"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Because they do have a meeting and and Matthew, maybe you can help me because I don't remember exactly and I know Paul's gone to it, I've gone to it.",
"timestamp" : "35:29-35:35"
},
{
"text" : "They have like a meeting at It's Italia, I think it's Tuesdays.",
"timestamp" : "35:35-35:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "at nine in the morning or something?",
"timestamp" : "35:38-35:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "35:39-35:41",
"text" : "It's it's uh one Thursday a month."
},
{
"timestamp" : "35:42-35:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Yeah."
},
{
"text" : "I would really like for that for that chance for that meeting to happen.",
"timestamp" : "35:42-35:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Well that meeting isn't a place where we would go through an ordinance like this, but that's the meeting that Karen was referring to where it was discussed several times.",
"timestamp" : "35:48-35:57"
},
{
"timestamp" : "35:57-36:00",
"text" : "So you were at the morning.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Nine in the morning talking about some of this stuff?",
"timestamp" : "36:00-36:02"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "36:02-36:03",
"text" : "Um yes."
},
{
"timestamp" : "36:03-36:07",
"text" : "And whenever the concept of the ordinance came up, it was met with great enthusiasm.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "So um",
"timestamp" : "36:08-36:08"
},
{
"timestamp" : "36:09-36:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "And then yeah, uh there weren't particular sticking points that were hashed out in detail, but general support of it and the actual ordinance itself was um given to kind of the leadership for distribution."
},
{
"timestamp" : "36:22-36:26",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "So were they able to read what you had or were you just taking input?"
},
{
"text" : "I don't know who read it, but I was happy to take input from anybody at the meeting.",
"timestamp" : "36:27-36:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"timestamp" : "36:32-36:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Um and it was um just really general support."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "There wasn't",
"timestamp" : "36:35-36:36"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "uh particular pivoting around any sticking points.",
"timestamp" : "36:36-36:39"
},
{
"timestamp" : "36:39-36:41",
"text" : "But again, that's okay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"timestamp" : "36:41-36:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "If there are concerns or ideas that still need to be raised, you know, I'm I'm happy to do that."
},
{
"text" : "No, I guess I the draft ordinance went to the different organizations to distribute amongst their memberships.",
"timestamp" : "36:48-36:54",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "So we're not sure if it made it to the individual business owners.",
"timestamp" : "36:54-36:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "36:59-37:00",
"text" : "directly."
},
{
"timestamp" : "37:00-37:08",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Um obviously with Betsy we can just reach out directly to her and I'm not I'm concerned for Betsy and everybody."
},
{
"text" : "Let's just be clear because my phone",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "37:08-37:10"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "just blew up that she's not you know it's not a hundred percent on this and I believe that I think our merchants really need to be all the little stuff.",
"timestamp" : "37:10-37:17"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Uh y you did a great job.",
"timestamp" : "37:17-37:19"
},
{
"timestamp" : "37:19-37:21",
"text" : "I've just I worry about the merchants that",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "As a business owner myself, I worry about that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "37:21-37:23"
},
{
"text" : "There was also a text that went out.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "37:23-37:25"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Um there's an an opt-in for um merchants that uh is managed uh managed through the chamber.",
"timestamp" : "37:25-37:33"
},
{
"text" : "And so a text went out um in anticipation of the study session.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "37:33-37:38"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "37:38-37:42",
"text" : "And I'm on that thread and I received that text and I think Matthew did as well."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "So",
"timestamp" : "37:42-37:42"
},
{
"text" : "Any downtown businesses or chamber members that opt into that, that was just another way to get the word out that the study session was happening, that the ordinance was available to view, and that the study session was a great opportunity for public comment.",
"timestamp" : "37:43-37:56",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"timestamp" : "37:56-37:59",
"text" : "Um, you know, tonight this first reading is another opportunity.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "38:00-38:03",
"text" : "So um yeah, I'm sorry to hear that, but that's all good."
},
{
"timestamp" : "38:04-38:04",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "This is the process."
},
{
"timestamp" : "38:04-38:06",
"text" : "I mean, I'm I'm just sharing.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "The other thing I'd like to just pull in because I don't think we have it mentioned",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "38:06-38:09"
},
{
"text" : "But just the benches that we have on Main Street, th like there was one that I actually grabbed because the the uh downtown beautification owned it and I was told",
"timestamp" : "38:09-38:18",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "if you want to clean it, clean it.",
"timestamp" : "38:18-38:19"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "So I went and cleaned it.",
"timestamp" : "38:19-38:20"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "I power washed it.",
"timestamp" : "38:20-38:21"
},
{
"text" : "But there are benches you don't power wash and there are some that we can uh that are owned by the beautification if I'm not mistaken.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "38:21-38:28"
},
{
"text" : "But I think that would be something that every once in",
"timestamp" : "38:28-38:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "once a year they're teak you power wash and you put some uh ceiling on there just so that they look nice and bright and clean and there was graffiti on them too.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "38:30-38:37"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Um but that's I think that's it's just generalized language.",
"timestamp" : "38:38-38:41"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "That's kind of what Betsy brought forward.",
"timestamp" : "38:41-38:43"
},
{
"text" : "in here there needs to be a little bit more definition on neat and orderly so I think that's one of the comments you put forward.",
"timestamp" : "38:43-38:50",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "38:52-38:52",
"text" : "Mr."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Mayor, if I could jump in.",
"timestamp" : "38:52-38:54"
},
{
"timestamp" : "38:54-39:02",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Uh there's there's a second thing that we'll be working on, which is really uh policies around street furniture and street"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "39:03-39:08",
"text" : "you know, the artwork, uh flowers, flower pots, benches, all of that."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "We're gonna wait to really tackle that until after the November eighteenth special meeting where we'll hear from the fire district about",
"timestamp" : "39:09-39:16"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "39:17-39:19",
"text" : "all the new fire laws because that is going to affect that."
},
{
"timestamp" : "39:19-39:24",
"text" : "So something we were working on concurrently and we put a pause on until we get through that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "39:24-39:28",
"text" : "So I I think it's a little different than what we're trying to address here with this ordinance.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "39:28-39:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "It's a separate issue that we'll address in a different way."
},
{
"timestamp" : "39:31-39:32",
"text" : "the the furniture piece.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "I just want to clarify what it",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "39:37-39:39"
},
{
"timestamp" : "39:40-39:41",
"text" : "Around what Patrick was saying.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "So you're saying that the chamber did get a copy of this.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "39:41-39:44"
},
{
"text" : "Is that right?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "39:44-39:45"
},
{
"timestamp" : "39:45-39:54",
"text" : "I sent an initial draft to leadership from the downtown association in the chamber, um, just asking them to share it with their members and provide any feedback.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"text" : "Right.",
"timestamp" : "39:54-39:55",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "And that's the same draft we're looking at here?",
"timestamp" : "39:55-39:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Um that was the draft leading into the study session.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "39:58-40:01"
},
{
"text" : "Oh, okay, so not this one.",
"timestamp" : "40:02-40:04",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Okay.",
"timestamp" : "40:04-40:04"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "40:05-40:07",
"text" : "Well now everyone has it and um"
},
{
"text" : "Great.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "40:08-40:08"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Please have Betsy and others, you know.",
"timestamp" : "40:09-40:10"
},
{
"timestamp" : "40:11-40:12",
"text" : "Contact uh Karen's.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "I can, but I just want to make sure everybody's involved.",
"timestamp" : "40:20-40:23",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "Sounds good.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "40:23-40:24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you for bringing that up.",
"timestamp" : "40:24-40:26"
},
{
"timestamp" : "40:26-40:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Um any other Paul"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "40:29-40:30",
"text" : "Thank you."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Um a couple of things in here just to clarify, which may make a difference.",
"timestamp" : "40:30-40:36"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "we deliberate later.",
"timestamp" : "40:37-40:38"
},
{
"timestamp" : "40:39-40:47",
"text" : "I noticed um about sidewalk repair, are are property owners responsible to repair the sidewalks in front of their businesses?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "40:49-40:52",
"text" : "Or landlords or property owners?"
},
{
"timestamp" : "40:52-40:54",
"text" : "Just like we do in residential areas?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "That's correct.",
"timestamp" : "40:54-40:55"
},
{
"timestamp" : "40:55-40:56",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Okay."
},
{
"text" : "So that would require getting a permit and then who determines when a sidewalk needs to be repaired?",
"timestamp" : "40:56-41:01",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Is that a",
"timestamp" : "41:01-41:02"
},
{
"text" : "City function?",
"timestamp" : "41:02-41:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"text" : "Todd, do you want to speak to that?",
"timestamp" : "41:03-41:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "Um Todd Seeley's our interim public works director and and has been our public works superintendent and been dealing with maintenance of sidewalks for many years.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "41:05-41:12"
},
{
"timestamp" : "41:16-41:18",
"text" : "Good evening, Mr.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16"
},
{
"timestamp" : "41:18-41:19",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "Mayor, Council."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "So downtown sidewalks.",
"timestamp" : "41:19-41:21"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"timestamp" : "41:21-41:27",
"text" : "We have a vendor that we send out once a year just to do an overall assessment of the condition of the sidewalk."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "Downtown.",
"timestamp" : "41:27-41:28"
},
{
"text" : "Based on that, we'll target the most problematic areas first with the funding that we have.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"timestamp" : "41:28-41:33"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"timestamp" : "41:33-41:38",
"text" : "The rest of the areas are primarily addressed through grinding or scarifying, depending on what"
},
{
"timestamp" : "41:38-41:39",
"text" : "what methods we have available.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16"
},
{
"timestamp" : "41:39-41:48",
"text" : "And as far as I am aware, I'm not aware of the city actually making any business owners downtown pay for sidewalk replacement.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16"
},
{
"text" : "It's kind of a function that we've been taking care of.",
"timestamp" : "41:48-41:50",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16"
},
{
"text" : "property owner do the work on those sidewalks as if there was something that they had done to create an issue.",
"timestamp" : "41:59-42:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "But the street trees are ours.",
"timestamp" : "42:05-42:07"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Um and and most of the issues we have to sidewalk were based on that.",
"timestamp" : "42:07-42:11"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Well I was trying to figure out if because I know residential areas aren't property owners responsible.",
"timestamp" : "42:11-42:16"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Correct.",
"timestamp" : "42:17-42:17"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "42:17-42:20",
"text" : "Does it distinguish between commercial and residential in the code?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Do you know?",
"timestamp" : "42:20-42:21"
},
{
"timestamp" : "42:21-42:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "I don't I don't believe so."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Uh we can we can look into that further.",
"timestamp" : "42:22-42:24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "I'm not aware of a difference in the code, um, but that's certainly something we can look at.",
"timestamp" : "42:24-42:30"
},
{
"timestamp" : "42:31-42:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Yeah."
},
{
"timestamp" : "42:31-42:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Okay, just curious."
},
{
"timestamp" : "42:32-42:37",
"text" : "Um and that would be the same for like cleaning sidewalks.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Do do do they have to come to the city for a permit to do that or how's that work?",
"timestamp" : "42:37-42:44"
},
{
"timestamp" : "42:44-42:44",
"text" : "Cleaning sidewalk.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "Yeah, so it's a little more challenging uh with the s water runoff regulations that we that we deal with as far as maintenance operations go.",
"timestamp" : "42:46-42:55"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"timestamp" : "42:55-43:03",
"text" : "So pressure washing the sidewalks need to be done by a BASMA certified pressure washer."
},
{
"text" : "So basically it's reclaiming the water that they're using for their operation.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"timestamp" : "43:03-43:06"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "We've looked in with with Karen, we've looked at some numbers, and I think the numbers we we got informally was about $8,000 a month to do like just the downtown core.",
"timestamp" : "43:07-43:18"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "It's an expensive service for sure.",
"timestamp" : "43:18-43:20"
},
{
"timestamp" : "43:20-43:23",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "So I mean that that's kind of what we're up against right there."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "43:23-43:23",
"text" : "Right."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "43:23-43:27",
"text" : "So I don't know if that's who decides when a sidewalk needs to be cleaned."
},
{
"text" : "I don't know.",
"timestamp" : "43:27-43:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"text" : "question.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "43:29-43:30"
},
{
"text" : "Oh yeah.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "43:30-43:30"
},
{
"text" : "Just want a quick clarifying question.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "43:31-43:33"
},
{
"text" : "There's a difference between power washing and just taking a hose, right?",
"timestamp" : "43:33-43:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "43:37-43:38",
"text" : "And hosing"
},
{
"timestamp" : "43:38-43:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Down a sidewalk or is it the same in terms of what you're talking about?"
},
{
"timestamp" : "43:47-43:56",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "The pressure washing actually does get more material up and that's what the water the w the regulatory bodies are worried about getting into the storm drain system, right?"
},
{
"text" : "Is getting that deep rooted filth and oil and grime up off the sidewalks and",
"timestamp" : "43:56-44:00",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"timestamp" : "44:00-44:01",
"text" : "letting it flow into the storm drain."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "Hlosing it down, I I I mean if we're talking just about if if we got a call that there was a pile of vomit.",
"timestamp" : "44:02-44:09"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "You know, if someone vomited on Main Street, we're gonna hug",
"timestamp" : "44:09-44:12"
},
{
"timestamp" : "44:12-44:12",
"text" : "Hose it down, right?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16"
},
{
"timestamp" : "44:13-44:13",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "That's what we're gonna do."
},
{
"text" : "If there's human waste on Main Street, we're gonna hose it down.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"timestamp" : "44:13-44:16"
},
{
"timestamp" : "44:16-44:17",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "That's what we're gonna do."
},
{
"timestamp" : "44:17-44:18",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "Right?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "So pressure washing is probably a different threshold than we're than we're talking about here, but",
"timestamp" : "44:18-44:23"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "There there is probably some gray area in there.",
"timestamp" : "44:23-44:27"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "44:28-44:29",
"text" : "I I think there's a big difference."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "44:29-44:37",
"text" : "I mean I hose down some of my sidewalks or backyard, but man, if I'm u if I use a power washer"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Wow, what a difference it makes.",
"timestamp" : "44:37-44:39"
},
{
"text" : "So it's like night and day in terms of the intensity of the power wash.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "44:40-44:43"
},
{
"timestamp" : "44:43-44:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So I would just hope someone could at least just hose something down and just make that"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Sort of differentiation.",
"timestamp" : "44:48-44:49"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "44:49-44:50",
"text" : "Okay, thanks for starting."
},
{
"timestamp" : "44:53-45:02",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "On that note, because we're talking about um cleaning awnings, so then are we are we in detail of how we're gonna clean those awnings?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "awnings because I mean I went downtown and I saw somebody hosing down the awning and that I took a video of it.",
"timestamp" : "45:01-45:06"
},
{
"text" : "It was pretty impressive how much dirt was coming off and how nice it looked.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "45:06-45:09"
},
{
"timestamp" : "45:09-45:12",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "But then now you guys are saying no no water, no nothing."
},
{
"timestamp" : "45:12-45:14",
"text" : "So how are we going to clean the awnings?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"timestamp" : "45:15-45:26",
"text" : "I I don't want to speak for Matthew, but I think that's probably part of the discussion that he was talking about for the November eighteenth meeting uh with regards to fire codes and what is going to be allowed on Main Street with the update."
},
{
"text" : "to the fire codes.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"timestamp" : "45:26-45:27"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "We're not we're not sure what the guidance is going to be on that.",
"timestamp" : "45:27-45:31"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "So there you know the the awnings could very well disappear.",
"timestamp" : "45:31-45:34"
},
{
"timestamp" : "45:34-45:34",
"text" : "We're not a hundred percent",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Do we need to get into that level of detail in this ordinance or can it be that when someone needs to do this work, they need to come and talk to us about what's appropriate?",
"timestamp" : "45:46-45:55"
},
{
"text" : "And",
"timestamp" : "45:55-45:55",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Unfortunately, that's probably the better approach because if we try to get too specific, things change all the time.",
"timestamp" : "45:56-46:01"
},
{
"text" : "We're going to be updating this ordinance constantly.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "46:01-46:04"
},
{
"text" : "So there's probably a happy balance there.",
"timestamp" : "46:04-46:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "So we'll research some of the questions that you've asked and and we may need to make some um either clarifications of the ordinance or just language that references how people can get it from",
"timestamp" : "46:06-46:16"
},
{
"timestamp" : "46:16-46:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "information about what are the current practices and best practices for doing some of this work."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "And then I have one more thing for Todd is on and Matthew.",
"timestamp" : "46:23-46:27"
},
{
"timestamp" : "46:27-46:34",
"text" : "Is there are on Main Street in front of the storefronts, right where the the trees are, there is cracking that's lifting.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "I was walking with Keith near and just shooting the breeze with him and he's like",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "46:34-46:38"
},
{
"text" : "Stops and he goes, this is a lawsuit ready to happen.",
"timestamp" : "46:38-46:41",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "46:41-46:45",
"text" : "And then we go across the street to Lacunas, same thing over there."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "There's cracks that have been ground down, which you guys are doing.",
"timestamp" : "46:45-46:48"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "46:48-46:48",
"text" : "That's great."
},
{
"text" : "But they are significant and their array is pretty good.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "46:49-46:52"
},
{
"timestamp" : "46:52-46:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Um so we might want to r assess that every once in a while to and know how how how how"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "47:00-47:08",
"text" : "I guess how tall or how high a crack is supposed to be before it's, you know, in danger of somebody tripping trippin' fall."
},
{
"timestamp" : "47:08-47:12",
"text" : "Typically anything above an inch we're gonna want to address immediately.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16"
},
{
"text" : "Anything less than that we kind of look at it.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"timestamp" : "47:12-47:14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "47:14-47:21",
"text" : "Um the reason that there's still a significant amount of lift downtown is that we just got our contractor under",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16"
},
{
"text" : "contract for this year's round of doing it so we expect them to be mobilizing in the next week to actually go out and start working in the downtown area.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"timestamp" : "47:22-47:29"
},
{
"timestamp" : "47:29-47:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "There's a ton of areas that we've identified."
},
{
"timestamp" : "47:32-47:34",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "It's actually fairly reasonable price."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "for the service that we're gonna get and we expect to get quite a bit of it done this year.",
"timestamp" : "47:34-47:37"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "So expect to see that change in in in the next month or so.",
"timestamp" : "47:37-47:41"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "We should be done with everything.",
"timestamp" : "47:41-47:42"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Paul did you have wait, did you finish?",
"timestamp" : "47:44-47:46"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Yeah yeah",
"timestamp" : "47:46-47:47"
},
{
"text" : "Yeah, let's just keep it going.",
"timestamp" : "47:47-47:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Yeah.",
"timestamp" : "47:51-47:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "47:51-47:57",
"text" : "Can you tell me uh when you work on the lift, what are you working on?"
},
{
"text" : "Are you working on things below one inch?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "47:59-48:01"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "Oh it's it so w anything above an inch goes to the top of the priority.",
"timestamp" : "48:02-48:06"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "Yeah I know, but what about",
"timestamp" : "48:06-48:08"
},
{
"timestamp" : "48:08-48:14",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "Is there any minimum amount that you are I mean really about a half an inch is kind of where we're at."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "Uh it's all based on the ADA codes and I don't have those in front of me right now, but basically the the most problematic areas",
"timestamp" : "48:14-48:20"
},
{
"timestamp" : "48:20-48:23",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "The the vendor comes out and does the assessment and gives us a list top to bottom."
},
{
"text" : "These are the areas you guys need to focus at first.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"timestamp" : "48:24-48:26"
},
{
"text" : "We spend all of our funds on those areas and get those areas",
"timestamp" : "48:26-48:29",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "is done and then we start going on the areas that still are in compliance for ADA but could potentially get worse because of the tree root lift and stuff that we have going on in those areas.",
"timestamp" : "48:29-48:38"
},
{
"timestamp" : "48:39-48:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Thank you."
},
{
"timestamp" : "48:42-48:46",
"text" : "Um and maybe this c maybe you can address this next one too.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"text" : "I noticed in here is about dumpsters and",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "48:46-48:50"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "48:50-48:57",
"text" : "You know, trash receptacles, having them locked between different hours, is that something that's required now?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "No.",
"timestamp" : "48:58-48:58"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "No.",
"timestamp" : "48:59-48:59"
},
{
"text" : "No, it's not.",
"timestamp" : "48:59-49:00",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "And and there's some implications with this in working with Republic.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "49:00-49:04"
},
{
"text" : "Does Republican Republic charge",
"timestamp" : "49:06-49:08",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "There there is some sort of a cost.",
"timestamp" : "49:10-49:12"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "49:12-49:14",
"text" : "Um do we know what that is?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"timestamp" : "49:14-49:19",
"text" : "Just at first glance I would have to think there would be a significant labor burden associated with them for there to"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 16",
"text" : "for them to go and lock it.",
"timestamp" : "49:19-49:20"
},
{
"text" : "I know that they're not staffed up to d to handle that kind of stuff and they would have to add a staff person or get someone to come in and do it on",
"timestamp" : "49:20-49:27",
"speaker" : "Speaker 16"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "They they have a fee that they charge businesses that lock the dumpsters.",
"timestamp" : "49:27-49:30"
},
{
"timestamp" : "49:34-49:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "I mean I'm not I just these are questions that I you know come up with real quick."
},
{
"text" : "And then um",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "49:39-49:40"
},
{
"text" : "The other was, oh, this is the enforcement mechanisms available in Title IV of this code to remedy violations.",
"timestamp" : "49:41-49:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "49:51-49:58",
"text" : "So title f w w what exactly is the title four tells you what to do or gives you the process to do something?"
},
{
"timestamp" : "49:58-49:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "I could take a step back."
},
{
"text" : "Title IV is the code enforcement chapter.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "50:00-50:02"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "And so it's basically just incorporating all the tools that the city already has for code enforcement, whether it's administrative enforcement or civil enforcement, criminal enforcement, they're all um incorporated.",
"timestamp" : "50:02-50:13"
},
{
"text" : "to enforce this new ordinance.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "50:13-50:15"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "50:15-50:15",
"text" : "Right."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Because this had nothing in here about uh fines or correct recording on properties.",
"timestamp" : "50:15-50:21"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "But this so that's why it gets referred to do what Title IV says to do and then that's the process that's",
"timestamp" : "50:21-50:26"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "That's in there for that.",
"timestamp" : "50:26-50:27"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "50:27-50:28",
"text" : "Yes."
},
{
"text" : "Correct.",
"timestamp" : "50:28-50:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "50:29-50:29",
"text" : "Okay."
},
{
"text" : "And then one other quick one.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "50:29-50:31"
},
{
"text" : "Um",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "50:31-50:31"
},
{
"timestamp" : "50:35-50:43",
"text" : "You you had mentioned you talked to some cities that had uh they've gone through some trials and tribulations, you know.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Of trying to set up ordinances and what worked, what didn't work.",
"timestamp" : "50:43-50:47"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "50:47-50:54",
"text" : "Did you get any sense and maybe it's reflected in here c an item or two that they thought was"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Don't do it or or something that really was challenging for them?",
"timestamp" : "50:54-50:59"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Um the registration process being extensive.",
"timestamp" : "50:59-51:03"
},
{
"timestamp" : "51:03-51:04",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Um"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "The amount of code enforcement officers plural at the jurisdictions that had more detailed requirements around registrations, the databases, the tracking, the staff capacity.",
"timestamp" : "51:04-51:16"
},
{
"text" : "That was not fun from a city staff perspective.",
"timestamp" : "51:17-51:19",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "And it got to be labor intensive and expensive.",
"timestamp" : "51:20-51:22"
},
{
"timestamp" : "51:22-51:29",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "But um, you know, those cities in particular weren't located in coastal zones that had as much um"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "uh processes we do.",
"timestamp" : "51:30-51:32"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Um they uh had much more active commercial um and industry areas, you know manufacturing.",
"timestamp" : "51:32-51:40"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "51:40-51:43",
"text" : "They're just it's just not apples to oranges."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "changes.",
"timestamp" : "51:43-51:43"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "51:43-51:55",
"text" : "But when I looked at smaller cities like Patterson in certain aspects of Santa Cruz, but Santa Cruz is substantially larger, there was much more commonality and"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "51:55-52:03",
"text" : "just the feel and the culture and social ethos of the town um seem to fit Half Moonbade better in terms of scale and capacity."
},
{
"text" : "Okay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "52:03-52:03"
},
{
"text" : "So w and we we tend to focus on Main Street.",
"timestamp" : "52:04-52:07",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "52:07-52:09",
"text" : "Is this only intended for Main Street?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "So will this be like in uh",
"timestamp" : "52:09-52:11"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "I never get the names correct like Safeway Shopping.",
"timestamp" : "52:12-52:15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "52:16-52:19",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "So this is intended to be citywide, so commercial."
},
{
"text" : "Interesting.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "52:22-52:22"
},
{
"timestamp" : "52:23-52:25",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Do they all know this is coming too?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Um I mean I wouldn't say every property owner knows about it.",
"timestamp" : "52:26-52:30"
},
{
"timestamp" : "52:31-52:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "It's much"
},
{
"timestamp" : "52:31-52:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Easier to flyer and engage the merchants, but more often than not, the business operator is not the property owner."
},
{
"timestamp" : "52:37-52:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Right."
},
{
"timestamp" : "52:38-52:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Yeah."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Right.",
"timestamp" : "52:38-52:38"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "I just want to the Brits even?",
"timestamp" : "52:38-52:42"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Yeah, any any commercial business will will have to golf course by this.",
"timestamp" : "52:43-52:48"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Yeah.",
"timestamp" : "52:49-52:49"
},
{
"text" : "Okay, those are my questions.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "52:50-52:51"
},
{
"timestamp" : "52:53-52:56",
"text" : "Any other council members have clarifying more clarifying questions?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Not clarifying.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "52:57-52:57"
},
{
"timestamp" : "53:00-53:00",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Okay."
},
{
"text" : "Do we have any public comment?",
"timestamp" : "53:01-53:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "I don't think so.",
"timestamp" : "53:04-53:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Nobody online.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "53:05-53:06"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Okay.",
"timestamp" : "53:08-53:08"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "53:09-53:12",
"text" : "Public comment going once, twice, three times."
},
{
"timestamp" : "53:12-53:14",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "It's been opened."
},
{
"timestamp" : "53:14-53:15",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "We're now clear."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Public comment is now open.",
"timestamp" : "53:20-53:22"
},
{
"timestamp" : "53:25-53:25",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Okay."
},
{
"text" : "Nothing online, nothing in the room.",
"timestamp" : "53:26-53:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "53:29-53:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Public comment is closed."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Now have uh council discussion.",
"timestamp" : "53:32-53:34"
},
{
"text" : "Go ahead.",
"timestamp" : "53:36-53:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "53:38-53:44",
"text" : "Yeah, there's nothing in the ordinance right now about um clean windows."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "And that's of concern to me because the two properties that I know of on Main Street that are the most offensive have dirty windows.",
"timestamp" : "53:46-53:57"
},
{
"text" : "Um and I would like to see us at least consider making some statement about having clean windows.",
"timestamp" : "53:57-54:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"text" : "We did talk about clean windows internally, community development and the city manager's office.",
"timestamp" : "54:07-54:12",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "You know, we are complaint-based.",
"timestamp" : "54:13-54:15"
},
{
"text" : "So that could be manageable, but I know that there was some concern that if that was actually an expectation that that could be burdensome for staff in terms of monitoring for that, trying to look for that, enforcing that.",
"timestamp" : "54:15-54:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"text" : "Um, but do any of my colleagues want to weigh in on that or do we not feel strongly about that?",
"timestamp" : "54:30-54:34",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"text" : "Because we had discussed it.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "54:34-54:35"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "54:35-54:41",
"text" : "I recall that from feedback you provided during the study session, Councilmember Penrose."
},
{
"text" : "Yeah, I think Joe's here, so let's have him.",
"timestamp" : "54:50-54:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "Okay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "54:53-54:53"
},
{
"timestamp" : "54:56-54:58",
"text" : "Hello, can you guys hear me?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 18"
},
{
"timestamp" : "54:58-55:02",
"speaker" : "Speaker 18",
"text" : "Uh thank you, um mayor and councilmember"
},
{
"text" : "So to the question that you asked, is this kind of burden burden sum, I'm sorry, uh mispronouncing.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 18",
"timestamp" : "55:03-55:11"
},
{
"timestamp" : "55:12-55:25",
"text" : "It is only because it becomes very um subjective over what is dirty and what's not and like what is the threshold for us to be able to",
"speaker" : "Speaker 18"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 18",
"text" : "do any type of enforcement.",
"timestamp" : "55:25-55:27"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 18",
"timestamp" : "55:27-55:33",
"text" : "So essentially with me being the only enforcement officer, quote unquote, um"
},
{
"text" : "It would be like a daily task for me to walk down Heritage Main Street or even since we're in encapsulating Strawflower and everything else, to be like",
"timestamp" : "55:34-55:45",
"speaker" : "Speaker 18"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 18",
"timestamp" : "55:45-55:48",
"text" : "What's the threshold for a dirty window?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 18",
"timestamp" : "55:49-55:52",
"text" : "And what what can we do?"
},
{
"text" : "How is that different from the threshold from a dirty sidewalk?",
"timestamp" : "55:54-55:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "I mean to me it's the same thing.",
"timestamp" : "55:57-55:59"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "You you know, somebody has a piece of paper on their sidewalk, I could call that dirty, or I could say, gee, there's just a piece of paper there.",
"timestamp" : "55:59-56:06"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "56:07-56:17",
"text" : "So I I I don't know how you enforce something like that, but I do know that what we want is an ordinance that covers"
},
{
"text" : "A situation where somebody doesn't clean their windows for six months.",
"timestamp" : "56:17-56:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"text" : "Absolutely.",
"timestamp" : "56:21-56:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 18"
},
{
"text" : "And I don't know how we do that.",
"timestamp" : "56:23-56:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 18",
"timestamp" : "56:25-56:26",
"text" : "That's that's my point."
},
{
"text" : "I agree with you a hundred percent.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 18",
"timestamp" : "56:26-56:28"
},
{
"timestamp" : "56:28-56:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 18",
"text" : "The the thing is where is the threshold and where do we like what is the bar that we raise through this so that there is something"
},
{
"text" : "That is enforceable, like a dirty sidewalk.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 18",
"timestamp" : "56:37-56:40"
},
{
"timestamp" : "56:40-56:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 18",
"text" : "What is that threshold?"
},
{
"timestamp" : "56:42-56:50",
"speaker" : "Speaker 18",
"text" : "What is the threshold for a dirty window so that we can actually hold somebody accountable rather than just being subjective?"
},
{
"text" : "I understand.",
"timestamp" : "56:50-56:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"timestamp" : "56:52-56:58",
"text" : "I I I think that's something that we need to consider though in the ordinance, not just leave it out because it's a difficult",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "I I guess I I think what I'm hearing is, you know, if we look at section 7.",
"timestamp" : "57:02-57:08"
},
{
"timestamp" : "57:08-57:08",
"text" : "65.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "57:09-57:10",
"text" : "070.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "57:10-57:12",
"text" : "All commercial properties, exteriors.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "57:12-57:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "We talk about maintaining neat and orderly landscaping, building exteriors, clean awnings where permissible, and clear exterior lettering when used."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "57:24-57:28",
"text" : "Can there just be a reference to doorways and windows?"
},
{
"text" : "Um and then we'll have to deal with that subjectivity later.",
"timestamp" : "57:29-57:33",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "57:33-57:33",
"text" : "But",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "57:33-57:43",
"text" : "I think it's implied here, and I think what you're looking for is just clearly call that out so that I can't say well you don't say windows in the ordinance, so I don't feel like I have to deal with that."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "57:43-57:45",
"text" : "Is that right, exactly."
},
{
"text" : "So I think we can look more closely at that, but is there a reason why we couldn't just call out windows where we're calling out other parts of a building exterior?",
"timestamp" : "57:46-57:55",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "57:55-57:59",
"text" : "Yeah, and I would argue that that windows are already covered, but we should"
},
{
"timestamp" : "58:00-58:00",
"text" : "Okay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "That's uh Councilmember Penrose's concern and um Well it's one of the main things between the public and the space is the window.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "58:00-58:13"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "That's what they look at.",
"timestamp" : "58:13-58:14"
},
{
"text" : "That's the first thing they see.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "58:14-58:16"
},
{
"text" : "They're not looking at the landscaping nearly as much or the awnings.",
"timestamp" : "58:16-58:20",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"text" : "They're looking right at the window.",
"timestamp" : "58:20-58:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
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"text" : "That's at eye level.",
"timestamp" : "58:21-58:23",
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"timestamp" : "58:23-58:26",
"text" : "So that's why I think it's important to call it out in some way."
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"timestamp" : "58:28-58:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "Certainly don't want to make things burdensome for anybody, but yeah, and to my second point, I think that we can include some language that provides some kind of objective threshold."
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"text" : "And that's that's easier um easier to enforce um than actually quite a number of those sort of subjective",
"timestamp" : "58:39-58:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
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"text" : "um elements.",
"timestamp" : "58:50-58:51"
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"text" : "So not just windows but also sidewalks and and",
"timestamp" : "58:51-58:54"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "I really appreciate the approach of making it um consistent with our scale.",
"timestamp" : "59:02-59:07"
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"text" : "And and trying to simplify it.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "59:08-59:09"
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"timestamp" : "59:10-59:14",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "It still is way more than I anticipated that we were going to take on."
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"timestamp" : "59:14-59:17",
"text" : "Like I was mostly interested in, you know, vacant storefronts."
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"text" : "And it's gone beyond that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "59:19-59:20"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "And I do have kind of a problem with the sort of subjective nature of a lot of the descriptors in it.",
"timestamp" : "59:21-59:28"
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"text" : "And I think",
"timestamp" : "59:29-59:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"text" : "That can cause real problems for enforcement.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "59:31-59:34"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "It puts our enforcement compliance officer in kind of a tough spot to have to make those calls.",
"timestamp" : "59:34-59:41"
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"timestamp" : "59:41-59:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "So I I think if we're going to"
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"text" : "have an expanded um approach to like upkeep and things, I think we need to at least have a",
"timestamp" : "59:45-59:52"
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"text" : "um a companion guide guidance document that you know relieves the compliance officer of some of the burden of subjective interpretation.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "59:53-01:00:04"
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"timestamp" : "01:00:05-01:00:07",
"text" : "And maybe you use photos.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"text" : "Maybe this guidance document has photos.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:00:07-01:00:10"
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"timestamp" : "01:00:10-01:00:11",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Here's a dirty window."
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"timestamp" : "01:00:11-01:00:12",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "You can't see the merge."
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"text" : "merchandise or something like that.",
"timestamp" : "01:00:13-01:00:14",
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"timestamp" : "01:00:15-01:00:17",
"text" : "Here's a dirty sidewalk.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"text" : "But um and I I think photos are the way to go because",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:00:17-01:00:21"
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"text" : "There's less room for interpretation because most reasonable people can agree what's dirty, you know, what's clean, and that sort of thing.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:00:22-01:00:29"
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"timestamp" : "01:00:29-01:00:29",
"text" : "But I think you need",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"text" : "Photos.",
"timestamp" : "01:00:30-01:00:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"timestamp" : "01:00:30-01:00:39",
"text" : "But bottom line, what I'm saying is you need some sort of guidance document to make Joe's job easier to um",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"timestamp" : "01:00:40-01:00:48",
"text" : "Not put him or the city in a position where you have multiple interpretations flying around or you know"
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"timestamp" : "01:00:48-01:00:50",
"text" : "people you know make charges of influence peddling.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"text" : "He likes you better than me and you know mine's not that dirty.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:00:51-01:00:54"
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"text" : "I don't think we should, you know, be involved in that.",
"timestamp" : "01:00:54-01:00:57",
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"text" : "that sort of stuff.",
"timestamp" : "01:00:57-01:00:58"
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"text" : "You know, and it requires ultimately like the city manager, the community development director step step in, maybe the city attorney.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:00:58-01:01:05"
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"timestamp" : "01:01:06-01:01:09",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "So um it's more than I thought we were gonna do."
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"text" : "And and I think",
"timestamp" : "01:01:10-01:01:11"
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"timestamp" : "01:01:11-01:01:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "because of that, it it introduces some peril in a small town where everybody wants to feel good about each other and you know, neighboring businesses and things."
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"text" : "like that.",
"timestamp" : "01:01:21-01:01:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"timestamp" : "01:01:22-01:01:33",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "So you know we might you know take another look at this or at least create a you know companion guidance document so you take you know some of that subjective interpretation"
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"timestamp" : "01:01:34-01:01:47",
"text" : "out of there and thereby diffuse tension and stress and free up the compliance officer for um enforcing other things in town for which he is responsible.",
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"timestamp" : "01:01:47-01:01:52",
"text" : "So um I think we've maybe have bitten off more than we can chew."
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"timestamp" : "01:01:52-01:01:54",
"text" : "It's just my observation.",
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"timestamp" : "01:01:54-01:02:01",
"text" : "But given that I think you came up with a reasonable approach that sort of works for our community."
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"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:02:01-01:02:03",
"text" : "And it was thoughtfully done."
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"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "I just think that there's still some issues here that creates issues for our staff.",
"timestamp" : "01:02:03-01:02:10"
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"timestamp" : "01:02:12-01:02:15",
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"text" : "And gets us into a battle of interpretations."
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"timestamp" : "01:02:23-01:02:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "I think some along the lines what you're talking about, when you leave room for interpretation, what I worry is what I may think is claint in the rule, somebody else may call that junk or"
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"text" : "it it's a hazard and and I know we have some eclectic properties in town which I think are wonderful.",
"timestamp" : "01:02:35-01:02:41"
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"text" : "I think that's why folks come come over the hill to come here to see that, whether it's a sign on a piece of plywood.",
"timestamp" : "01:02:41-01:02:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
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"text" : "that you can get something, but I think it it it's kind of our character, you know, that I think uh makes it attractive for folks to come here, you know, and especially we're not just the beach.",
"timestamp" : "01:02:49-01:03:02"
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"timestamp" : "01:03:02-01:03:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "You know, w we we're a whole other uh community here."
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"timestamp" : "01:03:06-01:03:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "So I I I I agree if we're gonna have"
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"timestamp" : "01:03:11-01:03:20",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "a lot in here and I'm also I'm a little uncomfortable that all the businesses really realize what's happening here."
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"text" : "There's a lot in here that I want them really to know",
"timestamp" : "01:03:20-01:03:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
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"timestamp" : "01:03:25-01:03:26",
"text" : "You know, careful what you wish for."
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"text" : "Here it is.",
"timestamp" : "01:03:26-01:03:27",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
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"text" : "It's coming.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "01:03:27-01:03:27"
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"timestamp" : "01:03:28-01:03:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Now I can't imagine some cities that do even more than this."
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"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "What they must have, they must have a whole department that has to deal with that.",
"timestamp" : "01:03:32-01:03:36"
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"timestamp" : "01:03:37-01:03:47",
"text" : "Um I would want to make sure the businesses of all agree with this and even these shopping centers, because that I've seen some things in some of those shopping centers that",
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"text" : "You're gonna maybe have to address, whether it's the front or back of them, because they're visible to the public and they have public walkways there.",
"timestamp" : "01:03:48-01:03:56",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "So",
"timestamp" : "01:03:56-01:03:56"
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"timestamp" : "01:03:57-01:04:05",
"text" : "I just think maybe we need to tweak a little more and just make sure businesses, are you really this is coming.",
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"timestamp" : "01:04:06-01:04:07",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "We're going to have this"
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"text" : "And and maybe whittle some of the stuff out ultimately.",
"timestamp" : "01:04:09-01:04:12",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"text" : "But you know, one thought I had is because of these sorts of issues, like if we could make it maybe a pilot project",
"timestamp" : "01:04:12-01:04:21",
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"text" : "Or you know, put a sunset on it like for two years or something.",
"timestamp" : "01:04:22-01:04:26"
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"timestamp" : "01:04:27-01:04:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "You know, build some experience with it that'll show"
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"timestamp" : "01:04:30-01:04:32",
"text" : "Was, you know, is this workable?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"timestamp" : "01:04:32-01:04:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Is it not?"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "I don't know.",
"timestamp" : "01:04:33-01:04:33"
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"timestamp" : "01:04:33-01:04:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "But I think I think it's a lot to take on."
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"text" : "Mr.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:04:39-01:04:39"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Mayor, if I might respond, um I think these are really great comments.",
"timestamp" : "01:04:40-01:04:43"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:04:43-01:04:47",
"text" : "And really as the scope of this changed, it was"
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"text" : "uh uh exactly for the reasons you're describing because I'll use an example um everybody's familiar with it we we had this glorious donation bin",
"timestamp" : "01:04:48-01:04:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:05:00-01:05:04",
"text" : "on that property line between 7 Eleven and Rite 8."
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"timestamp" : "01:05:05-01:05:08",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "And it it's been an issue for many, many years."
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "and and Joe has spent more time than you would ever want to know trying to enforce that under our current code.",
"timestamp" : "01:05:09-01:05:16"
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"timestamp" : "01:05:16-01:05:18",
"text" : "Because everybody agrees it's a problem.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
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"text" : "Everybody agrees that it's ugly and it's a it's a problem for our community and a nuisance.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:05:18-01:05:23"
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"text" : "And enforcing that has been a nightmare.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:05:23-01:05:26"
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"timestamp" : "01:05:26-01:05:33",
"text" : "And luckily, through a lot of work from lots of people in this room, and especially Joe, we finally got rid of it.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "What we're trying to prevent is that.",
"timestamp" : "01:05:34-01:05:36"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:05:36-01:05:43",
"text" : "Years and years of fighting to get rid of something because our current code doesn't address these things directly."
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"text" : "So I think to your point, that's why we've expanded this beyond just the vacant storefronts.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:05:43-01:05:49"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:05:50-01:06:02",
"text" : "The key is how do we thread that needle, keep it objective, and actually accomplish what we're trying to, which is ease of enforcement, clarity of enforcement, and property owners and businesses know what's expected and can just"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "The goal is for people to be able to read it and comply without us ever having to get involved.",
"timestamp" : "01:06:03-01:06:08"
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"text" : "And I think the key word you just said was nuisance.",
"timestamp" : "01:06:08-01:06:11",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:06:11-01:06:20",
"text" : "And I'm just guessing here, but it seems to me that it's easier to define a nuisance than it is like clean and orderly."
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"text" : "Right.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:06:20-01:06:21"
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"text" : "But I think that's been the problem.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:06:22-01:06:23"
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{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Yeah.",
"timestamp" : "01:06:23-01:06:23"
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"timestamp" : "01:06:24-01:06:27",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Because everybody would agree that that particular issue was a nuisance."
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:06:27-01:06:27",
"text" : "Right."
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "And we spent years trying to use that",
"timestamp" : "01:06:27-01:06:31"
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"text" : "Very subjective term as the only means we had to enforce it.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:06:32-01:06:37"
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"timestamp" : "01:06:37-01:06:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "And we finally got there with help from the property owner and the business that was allowing it to be"
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"text" : "The thing about nuisances though is you can it's easier to establish and levy fines.",
"timestamp" : "01:06:44-01:06:52",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"timestamp" : "01:06:52-01:06:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "and and collect them."
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"text" : "Because you're making it more like civil code sort of stuff, you know, where it's becomes a health and safety issue.",
"timestamp" : "01:06:53-01:07:00",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"timestamp" : "01:07:00-01:07:02",
"text" : "So I think that's the dividing line.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "It's like what would we like to have because it's nice and attractive for our tourists, but what is a nuisance and h wh where do you what buckets do you put those in in terms of code sections of the",
"timestamp" : "01:07:03-01:07:14"
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"timestamp" : "01:07:14-01:07:15",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "And all that stuff."
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{
"timestamp" : "01:07:15-01:07:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "But and I I don't bring all this up to denigrate the work because I think you li you know, if if we were gonna do something that like"
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"timestamp" : "01:07:24-01:07:27",
"text" : "this, you know, is is good for us.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"timestamp" : "01:07:27-01:07:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "It's just that it's it just seems I'm just making the point that I think it's too much."
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"text" : "That's all.",
"timestamp" : "01:07:31-01:07:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"timestamp" : "01:07:33-01:07:38",
"text" : "Um is this going to address the issue of um",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
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"text" : "The seven eleven and um the right aid parking it's been parking.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "01:07:39-01:07:47"
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{
"text" : "I can address that right now.",
"timestamp" : "01:07:47-01:07:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "I just drove by it today.",
"timestamp" : "01:07:49-01:07:50"
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"timestamp" : "01:07:50-01:07:51",
"text" : "Yeah.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
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"text" : "So",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:07:51-01:07:51"
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"timestamp" : "01:07:52-01:07:58",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "The bin is gone, the donation bin, and that pet parking lot looks beautiful."
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"text" : "There's no homeless person there.",
"timestamp" : "01:07:58-01:07:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:07:59-01:08:00",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "It's all cleaned up."
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"timestamp" : "01:08:00-01:08:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "The other garbage bins are out there."
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "I was actually wow.",
"timestamp" : "01:08:03-01:08:04"
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"text" : "In fact I was gonna I was gonna say I wanna say something positive that has actually been done.",
"timestamp" : "01:08:04-01:08:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"text" : "It's nice.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:08:10-01:08:11"
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"timestamp" : "01:08:11-01:08:13",
"text" : "You could show movies on that wall.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Great.",
"timestamp" : "01:08:13-01:08:13"
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"timestamp" : "01:08:14-01:08:23",
"text" : "But but the answer is the goal of this ordinance is to make it easier for us to maintain this incredible state we're finally in, because",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "As we know, it could change tomorrow morning.",
"timestamp" : "01:08:24-01:08:26"
},
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "We we could leave this meeting right now and we're back to square one, and it's and it's a really tough process right now.",
"timestamp" : "01:08:26-01:08:33"
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"timestamp" : "01:08:33-01:08:34",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "This ordinance"
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"text" : "And it sounds like there's some things we need to do to further refine it, is intended to make that easier to continue to maintain.",
"timestamp" : "01:08:35-01:08:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
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"timestamp" : "01:08:43-01:08:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "That's part of the goal."
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:08:44-01:08:44",
"text" : "Yeah."
},
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"text" : "And I'm thinking, you know, I've been uh started I started attending",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:08:45-01:08:48"
},
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"text" : "the downtown association meetings.",
"timestamp" : "01:08:49-01:08:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"text" : "And I'm thinking, you know, I like to see some sometimes something that looks like in between, like a little bit of um",
"timestamp" : "01:08:52-01:08:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Community self-enforcement or you know help.",
"timestamp" : "01:09:00-01:09:04"
},
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"text" : "So maybe there's a way where coup you know folks from Downtown Association could take turns.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:09:04-01:09:10"
},
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"text" : "Have some conversations about what's looking okay or not, perhaps making some recommendations to store owners, you know, um to",
"timestamp" : "01:09:11-01:09:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "clean things up?",
"timestamp" : "01:09:23-01:09:24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:09:24-01:09:27",
"text" : "Do they need help, you know, what's going on?"
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"timestamp" : "01:09:28-01:09:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "And before anything then gets sent to Joe for enforcement"
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"text" : "enforcement or whoever is responsible for enforcement, have the downtown association um you know be a little bit less um",
"timestamp" : "01:09:32-01:09:42"
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"timestamp" : "01:09:43-01:09:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "You know, there's a fine line between overregulating and creativity and everything having to look the same."
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"text" : "And we pride ourselves on, you know, well we like this small town.",
"timestamp" : "01:09:53-01:09:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"text" : "kind of feel and what does that mean?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:09:57-01:09:59"
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"text" : "And a lot of it is some individuality, you know, and believe me, there's",
"timestamp" : "01:10:00-01:10:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"text" : "cities in this country that you go down, everything looks pretty darn uniform.",
"timestamp" : "01:10:06-01:10:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"text" : "And God knows in Europe, countries, God help you, if your lawn is an inch over the ground.",
"timestamp" : "01:10:11-01:10:17",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"timestamp" : "01:10:17-01:10:18",
"text" : "grass limit.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"text" : "I mean really heavy, heavy regulation.",
"timestamp" : "01:10:18-01:10:20",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"timestamp" : "01:10:21-01:10:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "And um I'd rather see, you know, helpful support versus um"
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"timestamp" : "01:10:29-01:10:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Uh you know, and I just address the outliers, you know, the people just simply refuse to think that there's anything new."
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "you know, wrong going on and asking if you know they might need some help.",
"timestamp" : "01:10:37-01:10:41"
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"text" : "And I think we got the kind of people in the downtown um community who uh be really good with that approach.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:10:41-01:10:50"
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"text" : "Yes, yeah.",
"timestamp" : "01:10:50-01:10:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:10:56-01:11:01",
"text" : "This is not so that we go door to door and every property is like"
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"timestamp" : "01:11:01-01:11:03",
"text" : "You gotta change this, you gotta clean up that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
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"text" : "It's for those outliers that everybody knows, everybody can tell you which buildings we're talking about.",
"timestamp" : "01:11:03-01:11:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
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"text" : "Where our current enforcement has not been able to address those issues, it's to give us some teeth for the people that will not comply.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:11:11-01:11:18"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:11:19-01:11:21",
"text" : "That's what this is all about."
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"text" : "This is not about",
"timestamp" : "01:11:21-01:11:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:11:23-01:11:30",
"text" : "Uh to the to to ninety percent of our property owners, to ninety percent of our businesses, this will not change anything for them."
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"timestamp" : "01:11:30-01:11:38",
"text" : "It's for the outliers that have been egregious and ongoing issues for us to give us some teeth to really go after some of them.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
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"timestamp" : "01:11:38-01:11:39",
"text" : "That makes sense."
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"text" : "Yeah, great.",
"timestamp" : "01:11:39-01:11:40",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"text" : "Um so do you have enough direction?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:11:41-01:11:43"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:11:43-01:11:45",
"text" : "Is there any other direction or"
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"text" : "Um I would like to ask a clarifying question.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "01:11:46-01:11:49"
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"timestamp" : "01:11:49-01:11:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Um so in regards to you know subjective descriptions, and there are several places in the ordinance where it says neat and orderly intentionally, because"
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"text" : "The intention is to be understood by a layperson, but for sort of a really detailed list, that's where the Title IV, that's where the state code comes in, that's where the existing code comes in.",
"timestamp" : "01:11:59-01:12:09"
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"text" : "That was always the intention to have those detailed lists provide the compliance officer with leverage should there be an extreme case where we need to point to the law and say this is what we mean by flammable.",
"timestamp" : "01:12:09-01:12:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
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"text" : "This is what we mean by, you know, dilapidated.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "01:12:21-01:12:24"
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"timestamp" : "01:12:24-01:12:33",
"text" : "Um so there are some subjective descriptions, but it's it's by design because a lot of the feedback was to not be overly prescriptive.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "01:12:34-01:12:41",
"text" : "So would it be acceptable to largely keep the key provisions and the ordinance as is"
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"timestamp" : "01:12:41-01:12:51",
"text" : "but to use um the city's website on this topic to provide photos, to provide the form, to provide um, because that is all um",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
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"text" : "Would happen if this was adopted.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "01:12:52-01:12:54"
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"timestamp" : "01:12:54-01:12:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "But I don't know if the ordinance is the best place to do that."
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"timestamp" : "01:12:57-01:13:03",
"text" : "Saratoga in particular did a really great job after they passed their ordinance of just being so",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
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"text" : "Lay person-friendly on their website and really illustrating what some of these sticking points were without having to change the technical language.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "01:13:04-01:13:12"
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"timestamp" : "01:13:12-01:13:13",
"text" : "Would that be acceptable?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
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"text" : "To clarify people like",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:13:18-01:13:20"
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"text" : "and for guidance on on the web or a you know, a a pretty book or something that just and you probably can't take pictures of local businesses for",
"timestamp" : "01:13:21-01:13:29"
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"text" : "privacy reasons but maybe illustrations you know but so yeah I I can support that and then we'll see how it goes.",
"timestamp" : "01:13:30-01:13:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"timestamp" : "01:13:36-01:13:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "I mean I think I think it's a it's an okay start and similar to remember that building standards thing and we have that booklet."
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"timestamp" : "01:13:44-01:13:49",
"text" : "Now we might not want to be taking pictures of our local businesses.",
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"timestamp" : "01:13:49-01:13:50",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "That's a good point."
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"text" : "It doesn't mean you can't go to some other cities without showing the name of",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:13:50-01:13:53"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "place and say, you know, this is not so good, this is too funky, you know, and give people a chance to see, oh, this is you know what you can do to make it slightly, you know, nicer and stuff like that.",
"timestamp" : "01:13:54-01:14:05"
},
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"text" : "And uh",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:14:05-01:14:06"
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"text" : "Yeah, so that would be great.",
"timestamp" : "01:14:07-01:14:08",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"timestamp" : "01:14:09-01:14:12",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "And I think just one last thing, Karen."
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"timestamp" : "01:14:13-01:14:17",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "I realize that not everybody sees the announcements of what we'll be covering."
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"text" : "on a particular meeting.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:14:18-01:14:19"
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"timestamp" : "01:14:19-01:14:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So in terms of the most recent copy of this ordinance, would you mind resending it to um the chamber and to the downtown association and say this is a work"
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"text" : "in progress, you know.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:14:30-01:14:32"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "We realize not everyone may have seen the latest um you know edition.",
"timestamp" : "01:14:32-01:14:36"
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"timestamp" : "01:14:37-01:14:41",
"text" : "Um so it can get sent out to everyone, you know, so it doesn't they don't have to come to you.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "You just say",
"timestamp" : "01:14:41-01:14:42"
},
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"text" : "Please contact Karen if you have some ideas or don't understand something.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:14:42-01:14:47"
},
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"text" : "That would be great.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:14:47-01:14:48"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "And we'll just keep that villain.",
"timestamp" : "01:14:48-01:14:50"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Yeah,",
"timestamp" : "01:14:50-01:14:50"
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"text" : "Yeah, please.",
"timestamp" : "01:14:51-01:14:52",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"timestamp" : "01:14:52-01:14:55",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "Yeah, um i I I agree with you."
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"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "01:14:55-01:15:03",
"text" : "I don't think it's smart to be overly prescriptive in terms of the ordinance, but I don't want to be relying on the city's website."
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"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "01:15:03-01:15:11",
"text" : "If we are going to be putting it like this, we want people to understand what it means."
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"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "01:15:11-01:15:17",
"text" : "And that means the city has to take a proactive stance."
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"text" : "And reach out in some way, and I don't know how to do it, but reach out to the businesses, the vendors, the landlords, and say this is what our ordinance is all about.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "01:15:18-01:15:30"
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"text" : "Agreed.",
"timestamp" : "01:15:36-01:15:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
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"text" : "Yeah, I think the website is not enough.",
"timestamp" : "01:15:37-01:15:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "And I think there needs to be really proactive engagement around this.",
"timestamp" : "01:15:39-01:15:42"
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"text" : "You know, my team with the Streetscape master plan outreach, I think, is a good example.",
"timestamp" : "01:15:42-01:15:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
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"timestamp" : "01:15:48-01:15:54",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "We can do flyering, we can walk door to door if we have um uh city communication that's put um"
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"timestamp" : "01:15:55-01:15:58",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "A hard copy again, like currents in currents."
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"timestamp" : "01:15:59-01:16:01",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "I think that there are several mechanisms."
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"text" : "A member of my team, Irma, is actually drafting a business resource guide.",
"timestamp" : "01:16:01-01:16:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
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"timestamp" : "01:16:05-01:16:08",
"text" : "This could be a helpful chapter for property owners.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "You know, so I don't think it stops here.",
"timestamp" : "01:16:08-01:16:10"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "I think if it gets adopted, that's just the starting point of",
"timestamp" : "01:16:10-01:16:14"
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"timestamp" : "01:16:14-01:16:23",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Spreading the information in multiple mediums because absolutely, how many frequent flyers are going to check the city manager office page on a website under a government umbrella?"
},
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"text" : "So understood.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "01:16:23-01:16:24"
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"timestamp" : "01:16:25-01:16:34",
"text" : "And um this is a great opportunity for with something like this with an ordinance, there should always be, you know, an FAQs, an ongoing FAQs.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"text" : "And I think that's a great role for the chamber to help us because they've got",
"timestamp" : "01:16:35-01:16:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "You know, they're downtown, they'll have their ear to the ground and say, Yeah, what m what's some more FAQs that you you're hearing that we can maintain?",
"timestamp" : "01:16:38-01:16:47"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "and it would be a living document.",
"timestamp" : "01:16:47-01:16:48"
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"timestamp" : "01:16:49-01:16:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Absolutely."
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Explain the ordinances, right?",
"timestamp" : "01:16:49-01:16:51"
},
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"text" : "Because like you said, there's things always changing in regulations, you know, from the fire department, all that stuff.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:16:51-01:16:56"
},
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"text" : "And and you know, I like the word vitality, but I also like the concept of talking about community pride.",
"timestamp" : "01:16:58-01:17:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "You know, that's something everybody who lives here can relate to and does",
"timestamp" : "01:17:05-01:17:09"
},
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"text" : "business here.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:17:09-01:17:09"
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"text" : "It's it's a matter of pride, not just you know increasing business and making business more successful.",
"timestamp" : "01:17:09-01:17:16",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"timestamp" : "01:17:16-01:17:19",
"text" : "It's you know we want to take pride and care in our community.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"timestamp" : "01:17:19-01:17:22",
"text" : "So if we can weave those concepts in, you know, I think that's",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"timestamp" : "01:17:22-01:17:23",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "That's good."
},
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"timestamp" : "01:17:25-01:17:27",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Prop fifty passed."
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"text" : "It did.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:17:28-01:17:28"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "Prop fifty passed.",
"timestamp" : "01:17:29-01:17:31"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "All right, what was the percentage?",
"timestamp" : "01:17:31-01:17:32"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "FYI.",
"timestamp" : "01:17:33-01:17:33"
},
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"text" : "Yes, well, but in my mind.",
"timestamp" : "01:17:36-01:17:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"text" : "Um okay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:17:38-01:17:39"
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"timestamp" : "01:17:39-01:17:43",
"text" : "Uh we're ready before we're gonna take a break before we're gonna be able to do that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
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"text" : "I want to make sure that w uh staff has the direction that we need.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "01:17:43-01:17:46"
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"timestamp" : "01:17:46-01:17:48",
"text" : "I'm just checking with Karen right now.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
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"timestamp" : "01:17:48-01:17:58",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Um I think uh so this is a public hearing, um, which we have to notice per you know uh government code, and there's been some direction given in terms of the order"
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"text" : "ordinance itself.",
"timestamp" : "01:17:58-01:17:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
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"text" : "And I guess I just wanted to flag the council would have the option of continuing the public hearing to a date certain to allow staff to make adjustments to the ordinance, potentially work on the um",
"timestamp" : "01:17:59-01:18:11"
},
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"text" : "Handbook administrative supplements.",
"timestamp" : "01:18:12-01:18:14",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
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"timestamp" : "01:18:15-01:18:19",
"text" : "Uh I think there would be some cost savings to continue the public hearing.",
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"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "I don't know how much it costs, but Maggie could probably tell me how to notice these things.",
"timestamp" : "01:18:19-01:18:22"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Notice.",
"timestamp" : "01:18:24-01:18:25"
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"text" : "Seven hundred and twenty dollars per notice to notice a public hearing.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"timestamp" : "01:18:25-01:18:29"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "So continuing is cheaper?",
"timestamp" : "01:18:29-01:18:31"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Yes.",
"timestamp" : "01:18:31-01:18:31"
},
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"timestamp" : "01:18:31-01:18:34",
"text" : "Yes, as opposed to tabling it and then just bringing it back.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "If we know when we want to bring it back.",
"timestamp" : "01:18:34-01:18:36"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "That's the key.",
"timestamp" : "01:18:36-01:18:37"
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"text" : "If you want to bring it back.",
"timestamp" : "01:18:37-01:18:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
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"text" : "Do you bring it back before the holidays or after the holidays?",
"timestamp" : "01:18:43-01:18:46",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
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"text" : "I mean to me that's where we start getting into",
"timestamp" : "01:18:47-01:18:49"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Running out of meetings.",
"timestamp" : "01:18:50-01:18:51"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Well I don't think we necessarily have to have a guidance doc you know for us to adopt this ordinance.",
"timestamp" : "01:18:51-01:18:59"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "We want to give direction that we want that",
"timestamp" : "01:18:59-01:19:01"
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"text" : "But um I mean I I haven't recommended any specific changes.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:19:01-01:19:06"
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"text" : "I haven't heard any specific changes anybody's asked for up here.",
"timestamp" : "01:19:06-01:19:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So originally you're going to bring this back for a second thing uh November or next meeting in November?",
"timestamp" : "01:19:10-01:19:16"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "So so if if the changes requested, you know, I think one specific change we heard is referencing Windows.",
"timestamp" : "01:19:17-01:19:24"
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"timestamp" : "01:19:24-01:19:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "We'd probably want to put a reference to the fact that there will be guidance docs available."
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"text" : "If if that was enough and you were ready to",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:19:30-01:19:33"
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"timestamp" : "01:19:34-01:19:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "You know, uh approve this tonight for a second reading that would go on consent on the next council meeting on the 18th."
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"text" : "Um and then it would take effect 30 days later.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:19:42-01:19:45"
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"timestamp" : "01:19:45-01:19:46",
"text" : "So the question is",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
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"timestamp" : "01:19:47-01:19:50",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Is there further discussion needed for this in the future?"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:19:50-01:19:51",
"text" : "That's really the questionnaire."
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"text" : "Yeah, I would even the next meeting if that's okay, but I really want to make sure the businesses understand and and there's costs in here.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "01:19:56-01:20:04"
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"timestamp" : "01:20:04-01:20:07",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "The the to so lock your dumpster is a cost."
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"text" : "I wanna make sure they know that.",
"timestamp" : "01:20:07-01:20:08",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
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"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Which I think is a it's a good thing.",
"timestamp" : "01:20:08-01:20:11"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "01:20:11-01:20:12",
"text" : "'Cause it benefits everybody."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "I think that's you were talking about community pride, but I think that's something that you know, we're all in this together, I think is what",
"timestamp" : "01:20:12-01:20:18"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "01:20:18-01:20:19",
"text" : "what we're trying to say."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:20:19-01:20:20",
"text" : "We're here to help.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:20:21-01:20:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "From the government here to help."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "But I mean we are and trying to address the concerns that we've heard from the business community.",
"timestamp" : "01:20:22-01:20:27"
},
{
"text" : "Right.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "01:20:28-01:20:28"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:20:28-01:20:33",
"text" : "So if we want to come back for further discussion, November eighteenth is not an option."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:20:33-01:20:35",
"text" : "That's the special joint meeting."
},
{
"text" : "It's very focused on other things.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:20:35-01:20:36"
},
{
"text" : "So it either be December second or December sixteenth in this calendar.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:20:36-01:20:41"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "the public hearing to we would continue the public hearing to one of those dates and we we just need to decide.",
"timestamp" : "01:20:42-01:20:47"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:20:47-01:20:47",
"text" : "Yeah."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:20:47-01:20:48",
"text" : "Yeah."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:20:48-01:20:56",
"text" : "So is December second, Karen, for what we're hearing, is we could do that work and bring it back December 2nd without any issue."
},
{
"text" : "We could bring it back.",
"timestamp" : "01:20:57-01:20:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"text" : "I um I mean just to be frank, when I go back and I I look at this iteration, um",
"timestamp" : "01:20:58-01:21:04",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "01:21:05-01:21:10",
"text" : "I know neat and orderly, there's room to add specificity around Windows, so that's clear."
},
{
"text" : "I'm not hearing any um big pivot around key policy.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "01:21:10-01:21:15"
},
{
"text" : "And then in section 080, the very last bullet says establish and enforce any administrative policies necessary for the implementation and enforcement of this chapter.",
"timestamp" : "01:21:16-01:21:26",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:21:26-01:21:29",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Which to me is the majority of the feedback that I've heard tonight."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "So if we did do another first reading, I'm not I don't have m terribly new things to introduce.",
"timestamp" : "01:21:30-01:21:36"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:21:37-01:21:45",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"text" : "Um, I think that the way that it's written covers the concerns that I heard with the understanding that after adoption, we're not done, right?"
},
{
"text" : "There's still education, there's still research around Republic.",
"timestamp" : "01:21:45-01:21:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 5",
"timestamp" : "01:21:49-01:21:49",
"text" : "Um"
},
{
"text" : "So yeah, I'm happy to follow any direction, but as your staff at the next public hearing, I won't have substantive changes to share.",
"timestamp" : "01:21:50-01:22:00",
"speaker" : "Speaker 5"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:22:00-01:22:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Yeah, so if we continue this to let's say December second, what are we looking for between that?"
},
{
"text" : "Sounds like continue to notify businesses of",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:22:07-01:22:10"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:22:10-01:22:14",
"text" : "of the ordinance and some of the impl implications to them.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:22:15-01:22:18",
"text" : "At that point we would collect more feedback.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:22:18-01:22:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "We'd have another, we'd continue the public hearing on the second."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:22:22-01:22:26",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "And then hopefully at that point put it forward for the first reading."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "The chamber can have in the evenings and stuff or you know, where um",
"timestamp" : "01:22:31-01:22:36"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:22:37-01:22:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "People from uh you know, business owners can come and uh talk about her, bring in the landlords, you know, whatever she can do to get somewhere feeble."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "But the shopping center people, I think.",
"timestamp" : "01:22:44-01:22:45"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:22:46-01:22:52",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "I I mean those would probably be our meetings, not the chamber's meetings, um, because it's our ordinance that we're trying to adopt."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:22:52-01:22:57",
"text" : "Obviously, we do it in coordination with the chamber and the downtown association."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "But if we want to do outreach meetings like that, that's that's really our on us.",
"timestamp" : "01:22:57-01:23:02"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:23:02-01:23:05",
"text" : "No one else is going to do that for us.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:23:06-01:23:09",
"text" : "That they can't pull together a listening session and looking at the other."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:23:09-01:23:12",
"text" : "No, they could they could help us with that, but it would be ours, not theirs."
},
{
"text" : "They could collaborate with us on that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:23:13-01:23:14"
},
{
"text" : "Okay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:23:16-01:23:17"
},
{
"text" : "All right.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:23:17-01:23:18"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "So we're looking at continuing to the second.",
"timestamp" : "01:23:18-01:23:21"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "You're looking for some additional outreach and notification to property owners and business operators, and then we'll bring it back home.",
"timestamp" : "01:23:21-01:23:28"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "That would include Joe's input too on on being able to enforce and he",
"timestamp" : "01:23:32-01:23:36"
},
{
"text" : "involved also.",
"timestamp" : "01:23:36-01:23:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Oh yeah, the community development is very involved in this process from the beginning.",
"timestamp" : "01:23:38-01:23:42"
},
{
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "01:23:42-01:23:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "01:23:43-01:23:49",
"text" : "And we need a motion and a second and a vote to continue to a date certain to uh December 2nd."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Move that we continue um the public hearing on ordinance adding chapter seven dot six five commercial vitality ordinance",
"timestamp" : "01:23:50-01:24:01"
},
{
"text" : "to the Hafman Bay Municipal Code to the meeting, regular meeting of December 2nd, 2025.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:24:01-01:24:07"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Second.",
"timestamp" : "01:24:08-01:24:08"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "All those in favor?",
"timestamp" : "01:24:10-01:24:11"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:24:12-01:24:13",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Aye."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:24:13-01:24:15",
"text" : "All those against?"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:24:16-01:24:17",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Motion passed."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:24:22-01:24:26",
"text" : "We're going to take a five-minute break and then move on to item 9B.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Liku.",
"timestamp" : "01:35:43-01:35:44"
},
{
"text" : "Reopening our session.",
"timestamp" : "01:36:48-01:36:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:36:49-01:36:50",
"text" : "Thanks everybody."
},
{
"text" : "We're going to move on to item.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:36:50-01:36:55"
},
{
"text" : "Nine B adoption of the twenty twenty-five editions of the California Building Standards Code.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:36:59-01:37:05"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:37:05-01:37:07",
"text" : "We'll have a staff report.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:37:08-01:37:09",
"text" : "And uh",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:37:09-01:37:11",
"text" : "This is regarding uh electrification."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "Thank you, Mr.",
"timestamp" : "01:37:14-01:37:14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "Mayor.",
"timestamp" : "01:37:15-01:37:15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:37:15-01:37:16",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "Good evening."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:37:16-01:37:16",
"text" : "Uh Mr.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:37:16-01:37:19",
"text" : "Mayor and Council members, staff and public."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:37:20-01:37:23",
"text" : "Little public that we have left."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:37:23-01:37:25",
"text" : "Thank you for having us here tonight.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "Um my name is Ben Corrales.",
"timestamp" : "01:37:26-01:37:28"
},
{
"text" : "I'm the permanent technician in the building division.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:37:28-01:37:30"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:37:31-01:37:34",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "And with me is also our chief building official, Keith Weiner."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:37:35-01:37:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "We are here to introduce the 2025 California Building Code update."
},
{
"text" : "As most of you already know, the California Building Code is updated every three years.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:37:44-01:37:49"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:37:49-01:37:57",
"text" : "It was published originally this past July for comments and feedback and uh it will come"
},
{
"text" : "Come back for adoption after become after adoption it will become effective on January twenty uh first, twenty twenty-six.",
"timestamp" : "01:37:57-01:38:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:38:07-01:38:15",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "Um the most significant change that we have this time around is the creation of a separate part seven."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "Um",
"timestamp" : "01:38:15-01:38:15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:38:16-01:38:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "Uh in the new code for the wildland urban interface code."
},
{
"text" : "Previously, uh the these the requirements of the wildland urban interface",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:38:21-01:38:28"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:38:28-01:38:41",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "uh applied to structures in a buoy or state designated fi fire hazard severity zone were contained within the California Building Code, Chapter 7 and the California Residential Residential Code."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:38:43-01:38:46",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "Section R three three seven."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "At the same time, well those requirements now they're moving, they're move being moved and consolidated to a new part, a new book basically, part seven.",
"timestamp" : "01:38:47-01:38:57"
},
{
"text" : "So instead of eleven books, we now are gonna have twelve.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:38:57-01:39:01"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:39:02-01:39:07",
"text" : "Um this change is intended to address the escalating risk of wildfires.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:39:07-01:39:16",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "throughout the state while increasing the resilience of structures and ensuring more sustainable communities within these wooy areas."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:39:16-01:39:20",
"text" : "Um we also have local modifications."
},
{
"text" : "Um and most of them are two",
"timestamp" : "01:39:20-01:39:23",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:39:24-01:39:25",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "Two of them."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:39:25-01:39:28",
"text" : "One of them is electrification of buildings.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:39:28-01:39:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "The city is repealing municipal code section fourteen dot zero six, which require all new buildings to be all electric with no"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:39:39-01:39:41",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "natural gas allowed."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "The other local amendment is electrical vehicle charging inf infrastructure.",
"timestamp" : "01:39:42-01:39:48"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:39:48-01:39:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "The city previously required electric vehicle charging system infrastructure to be installed on non-residential and hotel motels buildings via municipal code amendment."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "The requirement for the EV charger infrastructure for residential and non-residential building has been incorporated in the 2025 California Green Building Code sections.",
"timestamp" : "01:39:59-01:40:10"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:40:12-01:40:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "Section number four point one oh six four for residential mandatory measures and five point one oh six five for non-residential mandatory measures."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:40:24-01:40:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "The Municipal Code amendment is no longer required."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:40:28-01:40:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "The Green Building Standards Code, Title 24, Part 11, shall be adopted without amendments."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:40:37-01:40:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "So the recommendations we are asking from City Council is to introduce an ordinance repealing Chapter 14."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:40:44-01:40:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "06 of the Half Mont Bay Municipal Code, Electrification of Buildings."
},
{
"text" : "And repealing and replacing Chapter 1404 of the Half Moon Bay Municipal Code, adopting by reference the 2025 edition of the California Building Standards Code",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:40:49-01:41:00"
},
{
"text" : "With local amendments and finding the amendments to be exempt from environmental review under the California Environmental Quality Act.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:41:00-01:41:09"
},
{
"text" : "And direct staff to place the ordinance and the attached resolution establishing the need for local modifications to the California Building Standards Code.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:41:09-01:41:19"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:41:20-01:41:24",
"text" : "and ratifying the Coastal Fire Protection District's Ordinance No.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"text" : "2025-05 on the consent calendar for adoption on November 18, 2025.",
"timestamp" : "01:41:25-01:41:34",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:41:35-01:41:45",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "In conclusion, staff recommends that City Council introduce an ordinance to adopt the 2025 California Building Standard Code with the local amendments described herein."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:41:46-01:41:58",
"text" : "The second reading will be brought back to Council at its next meeting, November 18, along with a resolution determining the need for local modifications to the California Building Standards Code"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:41:58-01:42:01",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "And ratifying the Coastal Fire Protection District Ordinance."
},
{
"text" : "The new state codes, as modified by the local modifications, will take effect on January 1st, 2026",
"timestamp" : "01:42:01-01:42:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"text" : "Staff will submit the ordinance and resolution making findings of local necessity to the California Building Standards Commission before the ordinance goes into effect.",
"timestamp" : "01:42:10-01:42:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"text" : "as required by Health and Safety Code Section 17958.",
"timestamp" : "01:42:21-01:42:26",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:42:26-01:42:26",
"text" : "7."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:42:27-01:42:29",
"text" : "This concludes the staff report"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "01:42:31-01:42:32"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:42:33-01:42:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Do you have a clarifying question?"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:42:39-01:42:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "The so repealing the following provisions and I I think I'm just referring to the gas because I remember that was the thing where no more gas appliances, no more gas heaters, and then everybody started switching"
},
{
"text" : "to different styles of heating and different styles of water heating.",
"timestamp" : "01:42:51-01:42:54",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "So are we going are we saying now we're going to repeal that and not go forward on that on the old construction?",
"timestamp" : "01:42:55-01:43:01"
},
{
"text" : "Or is that just for new construction?",
"timestamp" : "01:43:01-01:43:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:43:04-01:43:14",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "For well right now we are suggesting um we're suggesting you know people to continue to"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:43:15-01:43:18",
"text" : "uh to to to try to move towards electrical.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "We cannot enforce gas at all.",
"timestamp" : "01:43:18-01:43:20"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "Um part of this is because of uh you know there was a lawsuit",
"timestamp" : "01:43:21-01:43:27"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:43:28-01:43:31",
"text" : "I don't know if you're familiar, there was a correct."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:43:31-01:43:37",
"text" : "So based on that we have to pretty much repeal everything that has to do with reach codes."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "Um uh I think Berkeley, and this is my personal opinion, went too strong on changing from gas to electricity.",
"timestamp" : "01:43:37-01:43:46"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:43:47-01:43:48",
"text" : "We tried to face it.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"text" : "And if I'm not wrong, it was gonna be in twenty forty five when eventually, you know, we were gonna be completely",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:43:48-01:43:56"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "fully just electrical.",
"timestamp" : "01:43:56-01:43:58"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"timestamp" : "01:43:59-01:44:09",
"text" : "And a lot of the permit permit that I get some of them are going in that direction by their own choosing."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "Um those who want to continue with gas, yeah, we have to, you know.",
"timestamp" : "01:44:09-01:44:14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "01:44:15-01:44:20",
"text" : "Yeah, because um like a gas stove is a lot easier if you have the gas already there."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:44:20-01:44:21",
"text" : "Like I was fortunate.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "Uh Castle Del Mar Homes had",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "01:44:21-01:44:23"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "01:44:23-01:44:24",
"text" : "Electric and gas."
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"text" : "So I went electric back twenty years ago.",
"timestamp" : "01:44:24-01:44:26",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
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"text" : "I'm kinda happy because I went that route, especially with solar panels and all that stuff.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "01:44:26-01:44:30"
},
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"text" : "And the green initiative that we're trying to",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "01:44:31-01:44:32"
},
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"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "But when you go into a water heater situation, it's a little trickier, it's a little bit cheaper to buy a water heater than it is the new style of heating, you know, for your",
"timestamp" : "01:44:33-01:44:40"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:44:48-01:44:50",
"text" : "And that gets to be expensive.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:44:50-01:44:58",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "So if you have an older home and you're changing your heater and your heat and you're changing your water heater, that ch that can be very expensive to be conforming with the new law."
},
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"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "May Yeah, please.",
"timestamp" : "01:45:01-01:45:03"
},
{
"text" : "No, I may not.",
"timestamp" : "01:45:05-01:45:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:45:07-01:45:08",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Oh, the the light on that one doesn't work."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "So so in the last code cycle, the city decided that they were going to go above and beyond the code and and",
"timestamp" : "01:45:13-01:45:21"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "require that new homes be powered f solely by electrical power for a new home.",
"timestamp" : "01:45:23-01:45:30"
},
{
"text" : "And but based on the the lawsuits that are",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"timestamp" : "01:45:31-01:45:35"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"timestamp" : "01:45:35-01:45:40",
"text" : "arose, especially in Berkeley, we're no longer able to enforce that code."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:45:40-01:45:46",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "So the new code w we're removing any local amendment."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:45:47-01:45:52",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "And going back to just the California Code, which allows gas or electric."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:45:53-01:45:56",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "So we can no longer enforce the electrification of buildings."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "So we'll repeal them.",
"timestamp" : "01:45:56-01:45:57"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "So um the the fire codes ordinance uh",
"timestamp" : "01:46:05-01:46:08"
},
{
"text" : "Um and their changes.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "01:46:08-01:46:10"
},
{
"text" : "Is there significant um changes in there related to anything new that",
"timestamp" : "01:46:10-01:46:17",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"text" : "Be totally different than anything that the community's seen before.",
"timestamp" : "01:46:21-01:46:25",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"text" : "We both agree that fire should have been here to address that question.",
"timestamp" : "01:46:26-01:46:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:46:33-01:46:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19",
"text" : "But because I mean what I what I have read is is considerable, but definitely I will I will I will defer that to fire."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:46:43-01:46:44",
"text" : "Okay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 19"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:46:45-01:46:46",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Is fire coming today, right?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "Fire is coming for forward in on the eighteenth, I believe.",
"timestamp" : "01:46:47-01:46:49"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:46:50-01:46:50",
"text" : "Right.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:46:50-01:46:50",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "Right."
},
{
"text" : "So they will come.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"timestamp" : "01:46:50-01:46:51"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"timestamp" : "01:46:51-01:46:55",
"text" : "They will come and they will be able to explain each item within that matrix."
},
{
"text" : "But m the majority of their amendments are this are similar to what were has been adopted in previous years, but there are minor changes in and uh",
"timestamp" : "01:46:55-01:47:04",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "Uh w we'll we we will leave it to them to explain that.",
"timestamp" : "01:47:04-01:47:07"
},
{
"text" : "And they will be here November eighteenth.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "01:47:07-01:47:08"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "That's what's I want to make sure.",
"timestamp" : "01:47:08-01:47:10"
},
{
"text" : "Yep.",
"timestamp" : "01:47:10-01:47:11",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:47:14-01:47:17",
"text" : "You know, I'm not sure you introduced yourself."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:47:17-01:47:19",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Did I miss some of the other things?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "But it's uh pleased to make your acquaintance, uh Mr.",
"timestamp" : "01:47:31-01:47:33"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:47:33-01:47:34",
"text" : "Mayor and the council.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:47:35-01:47:37",
"text" : "I have an interesting follow-up question."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:47:38-01:47:42",
"text" : "If I am correct, the county of San Mateo"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "a couple of years ago, um had an put an ordinance regulation that",
"timestamp" : "01:47:43-01:47:50"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:47:51-01:48:00",
"text" : "I don't know, in the next year or so, forbidding the sale of gas hot water heaters in the county."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "I was wondering if this Berkeley",
"timestamp" : "01:48:00-01:48:01"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:48:02-01:48:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "case changes that as well."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "I mean not that you couldn't buy a hot water heater outside the county, but any do you remember that?",
"timestamp" : "01:48:04-01:48:10"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:48:11-01:48:12",
"text" : "Something like that?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Yeah.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:48:12-01:48:12"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:48:14-01:48:21",
"text" : "I I thought Carb came out with regulations regarding appliances."
},
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"text" : "Something like on a certain date you would no longer be able to sell like gas water heaters and gas stoves in California, something like that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "01:48:22-01:48:36"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Well I I think that well it no it's carb, but I think the county I think they did a shorter period of time, but um",
"timestamp" : "01:48:37-01:48:46"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:48:47-01:48:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Does does this not account for carb regulations?"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:48:53-01:48:55",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "And that is the California Air Resources."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "board.",
"timestamp" : "01:48:55-01:48:56"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:48:57-01:48:57",
"text" : "Right.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:48:57-01:49:00",
"text" : "So there are there there's there's legislation.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:49:00-01:49:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "There's I've you know there's"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "Bills in process that would eliminate um",
"timestamp" : "01:49:04-01:49:10"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "Carbon producing appliances by an X date.",
"timestamp" : "01:49:13-01:49:18"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "Um and those may very well come to fruition and and happen.",
"timestamp" : "01:49:19-01:49:24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "But",
"timestamp" : "01:49:25-01:49:25"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:49:26-01:49:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "The amendment that we put in was a local ordinance where the city of Half Moon Bay decided that we were going to go above and beyond the code."
},
{
"text" : "And that's the local ordinance is are what's being repealed throughout California.",
"timestamp" : "01:49:36-01:49:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20"
},
{
"text" : "Um",
"timestamp" : "01:49:44-01:49:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20"
},
{
"text" : "And the code gets updated every three years for just these types of things.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"timestamp" : "01:49:47-01:49:53"
},
{
"text" : "And so if the state decides that they're going to enforce those codes",
"timestamp" : "01:49:53-01:49:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20"
},
{
"text" : "and and further restrict the carbon outlay of a of a residential home, um, then those will be incorporated into the the code that's issued by the",
"timestamp" : "01:49:59-01:50:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20"
},
{
"text" : "by the uh building standards commission.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"timestamp" : "01:50:10-01:50:13"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:50:13-01:50:23",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "Um but what we're talking about here is they're saying that legally we can no longer enforce a local amendment requiring somebody to to electrify the"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:50:24-01:50:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "their home."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:50:26-01:50:27",
"text" : "Got it."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "01:50:27-01:50:27"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "If I if I may just I was just",
"timestamp" : "01:50:28-01:50:31"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:50:32-01:50:41",
"text" : "You know, using the old internet research and it looks like the barrier air quality management district has a ban prohibiting the sale and installation of of"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "gas appliances that begins to take effect in 2027.",
"timestamp" : "01:50:42-01:50:46"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "01:50:47-01:50:50",
"text" : "So I think that may be what we're referencing here."
},
{
"text" : "Um so",
"timestamp" : "01:50:50-01:50:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "And it it it it appears that that's still in effect, regardless of the Berkeley decisions.",
"timestamp" : "01:50:54-01:51:00"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "So um maybe it just hasn't been challenged yet.",
"timestamp" : "01:51:00-01:51:03"
},
{
"text" : "We'll find out.",
"timestamp" : "01:51:04-01:51:04",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Yeah.",
"timestamp" : "01:51:05-01:51:05"
},
{
"text" : "Okay.",
"timestamp" : "01:51:05-01:51:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:51:05-01:51:06",
"text" : "Yeah.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Would someone like to make a motion?",
"timestamp" : "01:51:08-01:51:10"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Are we ready?",
"timestamp" : "01:51:11-01:51:12"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:51:13-01:51:14",
"text" : "We still need to do a public hearing."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Could we open the public hearing first?",
"timestamp" : "01:51:15-01:51:17"
},
{
"text" : "Opening for public comment on this ordinance.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:51:25-01:51:29"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "No one in the room?",
"timestamp" : "01:51:30-01:51:31"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Anyone online?",
"timestamp" : "01:51:32-01:51:33"
},
{
"text" : "Okay.",
"timestamp" : "01:51:35-01:51:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "I thought it and then forgot it.",
"timestamp" : "01:51:36-01:51:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "We do have a hand raised now.",
"timestamp" : "01:51:42-01:51:44"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Oh no, see.",
"timestamp" : "01:51:45-01:51:46"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:51:49-01:51:53",
"text" : "Someone called Admin, named Admin, would they like to speak?"
},
{
"text" : "You're showing up as admin.",
"timestamp" : "01:51:53-01:51:55",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Mike Pereira, uh Mayor, sorry.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"timestamp" : "01:51:57-01:52:00"
},
{
"text" : "Yeah, go ahead, Mike.",
"timestamp" : "01:52:01-01:52:02",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "You got three minutes.",
"timestamp" : "01:52:02-01:52:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "Yeah, I was I did click on that just as you were closing.",
"timestamp" : "01:52:04-01:52:08"
},
{
"text" : "Uh I think uh Councilmember Ruddick is correct about CARB and of course the city manager has just verified it",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"timestamp" : "01:52:09-01:52:19"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "And it does not seem that this was crafted with knowledge of that carb ruling.",
"timestamp" : "01:52:20-01:52:27"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:52:28-01:52:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "And I don't know that there's much urgency to this."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:52:32-01:52:40",
"text" : "But it would seem to me that our your ordinance should take the carb ruling into consideration.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21"
},
{
"text" : "I'll make that just that short comment.",
"timestamp" : "01:52:40-01:52:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:52:43-01:52:44",
"text" : "Thank you.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21"
},
{
"text" : "Thank you, Mike.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:52:47-01:52:48"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:52:52-01:52:56",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Well, I I think we're we're actually adopting a state code though, right?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "Correct.",
"timestamp" : "01:52:56-01:52:56"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "Correct.",
"timestamp" : "01:52:57-01:52:57"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"timestamp" : "01:52:57-01:53:06",
"text" : "So so we if there's a if there's a a lot that is statewide, it will be"
},
{
"text" : "Enac by this code.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"timestamp" : "01:53:08-01:53:10"
},
{
"text" : "It will just be a modifier.",
"timestamp" : "01:53:10-01:53:12",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:53:12-01:53:15",
"text" : "And the code, the state code, that the",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:53:15-01:53:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "issued by the BSC, the Building Standards Commission, has supplements."
},
{
"text" : "So if a state code that",
"timestamp" : "01:53:21-01:53:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "was statewide reaching that prohibited the sale of gas appliances, then it would be issued as a supplement to this code.",
"timestamp" : "01:53:25-01:53:35"
},
{
"text" : "issued by BSC.",
"timestamp" : "01:53:37-01:53:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"timestamp" : "01:53:38-01:53:43",
"text" : "It wouldn't be a local amendment that would be needed to enforce that."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "So I I I s I stand firm that well we do not need to amend the code and",
"timestamp" : "01:53:43-01:53:50"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:53:50-01:53:56",
"speaker" : "Speaker 20",
"text" : "that something that's goes statewide will be affected in this code that we're adopting."
},
{
"text" : "Okay, I move.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:54:03-01:54:05"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:54:10-01:54:13",
"text" : "Public public comments are now closed.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:54:14-01:54:15",
"text" : "Thank you.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:54:17-01:54:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "I move that uh we introduce an ordinance repealing chapter fourteen point oh six of the Half Moon Bay Municipal Code Electrification of Buildings and repealing and replacing Chapter 14."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "04 of the Half Moon Bay Municipal",
"timestamp" : "01:54:28-01:54:30"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:54:31-01:54:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Code adopting by reference the 2025 edition of the California Building Standards Code with local amendments and finding amendments to be exempt from environmental review."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:54:42-01:54:45",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Under the California Environmental Quality Act."
},
{
"text" : "And two, direct staff to place the ordinance in the attached resolution establishing the need for local modifications to the California Board Building Standards Code.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:54:45-01:54:56"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "And ratifying the coastside fire protection districts ordinance number 2025-01 on the consent calendar for adoption on November 18th, 2025.",
"timestamp" : "01:54:56-01:55:07"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Second.",
"timestamp" : "01:55:08-01:55:09"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Do we need a roll call on this, Kevin?",
"timestamp" : "01:55:11-01:55:12"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:55:15-01:55:16",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Sure."
},
{
"text" : "Roll call, please.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:55:16-01:55:18"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Yes.",
"timestamp" : "01:55:21-01:55:22"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Councilmember Penrose?",
"timestamp" : "01:55:22-01:55:23"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:55:23-01:55:23",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Yes."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:55:24-01:55:25",
"text" : "Vice Mayor Ruddick?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:55:25-01:55:25",
"text" : "Yes.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Mayor Brownstone.",
"timestamp" : "01:55:25-01:55:26"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "01:55:27-01:55:27",
"text" : "Yes."
},
{
"text" : "Motion carries.",
"timestamp" : "01:55:27-01:55:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"text" : "Now move on to item 9C, the 2023 through 2031 housing elements.",
"timestamp" : "01:55:30-01:55:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Start with a staff report.",
"timestamp" : "01:55:39-01:55:40"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "Good evening, Mayor Brownstone and Council.",
"timestamp" : "01:56:20-01:56:23"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "Um last time I was before you I was able to",
"timestamp" : "01:56:23-01:56:28"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "uh give you a very brief presentation.",
"timestamp" : "01:56:28-01:56:31"
},
{
"text" : "This time I prepared a longer one, but I think I'm gonna skip ahead",
"timestamp" : "01:56:31-01:56:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "01:56:37-01:56:41",
"text" : "I was expecting we might have some members of the public here."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:56:41-01:56:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "I would also like to make sure that Asher Cohn, who is the consultant who's worked on the housing element with city staff for years now,"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "01:56:51-01:56:53",
"text" : "Is available on Zoom, Maggie?"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:56:55-01:56:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "Maggie, is Asher available on Zoom?"
},
{
"text" : "So um when we get to the point where you have clarifying questions, there may be some that he's better suited to answer than me.",
"timestamp" : "01:57:03-01:57:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:57:14-01:57:18",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "So I'm bringing before you the fifth draft of the housing element."
},
{
"text" : "The staff recommendation is to receive public input and evaluate revisions to the 2023-2031 sixth cycle housing element.",
"timestamp" : "01:57:21-01:57:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "Adopt the mitigated negative declaration for the housing element and adopt the housing element.",
"timestamp" : "01:57:33-01:57:41"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "01:57:41-01:57:49",
"text" : "Dated October 2025 for review by the California Department of Housing and Community Development."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "From here on, I'll just say HCD.",
"timestamp" : "01:57:49-01:57:51"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "So I have some slides here for background.",
"timestamp" : "01:57:57-01:57:59"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "01:57:59-01:58:03",
"text" : "I think you're all very familiar with what the housing element is and why we're here."
},
{
"text" : "I'm gonna skip through those.",
"timestamp" : "01:58:04-01:58:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "I did want to talk a little bit about the um regional housing needs allocation numbers, though.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "01:58:07-01:58:14"
},
{
"text" : "Um",
"timestamp" : "01:58:15-01:58:15",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:58:18-01:58:26",
"text" : "We are we are required to have uh four hundred and well our our allocation is four hundred and",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "eighty units, um and they break they break out as 181 very low income units, 104 low",
"timestamp" : "01:58:26-01:58:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:58:36-01:58:40",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "54 moderate and 141 above moderate."
},
{
"text" : "And the reason I wanted to talk about this a little bit is because we did get some questions about",
"timestamp" : "01:58:40-01:58:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "why we have the number um seven hundred and eighty two as um as uh",
"timestamp" : "01:58:44-01:58:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:58:53-01:58:58",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "Also as the number of housing sites that we identified."
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:58:58-01:59:01",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "I think Commissioner Johnson wanted clarification"
},
{
"timestamp" : "01:59:01-01:59:15",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "on that and that is because the state requires us to have a buffer of anywhere between fifteen and thirty percent um of housing sites, recognizing that even though we identify the number of"
},
{
"text" : "of housing sites for the number of units that the state requires, not all of those will be developed over the course of the eight years.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "01:59:16-01:59:24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "between housing elements.",
"timestamp" : "01:59:24-01:59:26"
},
{
"text" : "Um so we have extra sites identified.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "01:59:27-01:59:30"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "So that brings us to 782.",
"timestamp" : "01:59:30-01:59:33"
},
{
"text" : "I'll skip through this, but I will point out that this was started in March 2021, public outreach for the housing element.",
"timestamp" : "01:59:39-01:59:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "It's gone through a number of drafts.",
"timestamp" : "01:59:47-01:59:50"
},
{
"text" : "The last draft that we sent to HCD for certification did not address Measure D.",
"timestamp" : "01:59:51-01:59:58",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "Because we were waiting on input from HCD, we've since received some input from them in their May 20th letter.",
"timestamp" : "01:59:58-02:00:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:00:06-02:00:08",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "So this is the fifth draft now."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "I'll go over some of the uh requested revisions from HCD in their May 20th letter.",
"timestamp" : "02:00:13-02:00:19"
},
{
"text" : "They asked us to clarify the remaining steps needed for some of the pipeline sites under development.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:00:21-02:00:28"
},
{
"text" : "So we added additional information about non-governmental constraints and additional information on a site-by-site basis",
"timestamp" : "02:00:28-02:00:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "HCD also asked to add information on environmental constraints that might preclude development.",
"timestamp" : "02:00:38-02:00:45",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "So we added a paragraph describing overall environmental constraints",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:00:45-02:00:50"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:00:50-02:00:54",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "in Half Moon Bay, noting that the city lies within the coastal zone."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "HDD asked about updates to any sites which was not applicable.",
"timestamp" : "02:00:55-02:01:02"
},
{
"text" : "That's number three on this slide.",
"timestamp" : "02:01:02-02:01:04",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:01:04-02:01:13",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "They also asked for additional language on potential interventions to support for supportive housing regarding emergency shelters."
},
{
"text" : "And we added some suggested language.",
"timestamp" : "02:01:13-02:01:18",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "And they and this is all, if you want to see this specific language, it's all in attachment five in your",
"timestamp" : "02:01:18-02:01:25",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:01:25-02:01:27",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "um in your packets."
},
{
"text" : "They asked they asked us to add additional information on the approval times for typical development.",
"timestamp" : "02:01:27-02:01:33",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "So we added some information to clarify that recent development patterns are typical concerning approval times and a program to monitor our approval times over time.",
"timestamp" : "02:01:33-02:01:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:01:48-02:02:00",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "And then in terms of the the really bigger change and the area where we spoke with HTD staff quite a bit, um HT staff uh"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "did talk with Coastal Commission staff and they reached some um understanding of how the coastal zone is different uh when it comes to housing law uh and they came back to us specifically on measure D",
"timestamp" : "02:02:01-02:02:16"
},
{
"text" : "With some suggestions.",
"timestamp" : "02:02:16-02:02:18",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "They asked us to update program six-eight to provide alternative actions if there's no amendment to the",
"timestamp" : "02:02:18-02:02:26",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:02:26-02:02:35",
"text" : "uh L C L U P and specifically um they asked for uh"
},
{
"text" : "Code amendment, which would seek um an LCP amendment to revise allocation requirements for ADUs and JDUs to make them a half allocation.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:02:36-02:02:48"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:02:48-02:02:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "Rather than a full allocation."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:02:52-02:03:01",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "They also asked that we look at reallocating unused Measure D allocation."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:03:01-02:03:02",
"text" : "allocations."
},
{
"text" : "So when we when someone receives a Measure D allocation, if they don't come in to apply for a permit after a year, then",
"timestamp" : "02:03:02-02:03:13",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:03:14-02:03:16",
"text" : "um their allocation expires.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "And so they want us to amend the code to um allow for carryover.",
"timestamp" : "02:03:16-02:03:25",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "And then importantly they ask that we um put out a ballot measure.",
"timestamp" : "02:03:28-02:03:34"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "And the ballot measure would define, redefine the downtown area so that it's the same as the town center, and it would exempt accessory dwelling units altogether from Measure D.",
"timestamp" : "02:03:34-02:03:46"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:03:47-02:03:56",
"text" : "So that would not be council acting to actually approve anything that would change"
},
{
"text" : "uh ADUs or that would remove remove ADUs from Measure D, but simply putting the ballot measure out there so people could vote on that.",
"timestamp" : "02:03:57-02:04:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:04:07-02:04:12",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "So those are the changes, the major changes to the housing element."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:04:12-02:04:15",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "Also before you tonight is the CEQA document."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "Rincon consultants prepared an initial study which led to a mitigated negative declaration that was available to public and published.",
"timestamp" : "02:04:17-02:04:29"
},
{
"text" : "uh and duly noticed I'll just say um September ninth, twenty twenty five through October ninth, twenty twenty-five, um there is no impact or less than significant impact",
"timestamp" : "02:04:30-02:04:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "with one mitigation measure which relates to protecting nesting birds.",
"timestamp" : "02:04:42-02:04:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "And with that, I'll conclude my presentation and I'm happy to take any questions.",
"timestamp" : "02:04:50-02:04:56"
},
{
"text" : "Please.",
"timestamp" : "02:05:01-02:05:01",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:05:07-02:05:12",
"text" : "What mechanism HCD relayed to the city about this measure D.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:05:13-02:05:19",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "And it's my understanding there was nothing submitted in writing by HCD."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:05:21-02:05:27",
"text" : "Um well the letter But but the letter does the letter say thou shalt put it on a ballot",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:05:30-02:05:33",
"text" : "Let me look at the language exactly.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "I mean I I'm just asking.",
"timestamp" : "02:05:39-02:05:40",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"text" : "I know there was terrible discussions and I I don't understand why HCD won't put it in writing to us.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "02:05:40-02:05:47"
},
{
"text" : "Yeah, they want uh the what the letter said was that they uh regarding program six-eight, they want us to provide alternative actions with discrete timing if",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:05:49-02:06:00"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:06:02-02:06:15",
"text" : "An LCP amendment is not pursued to exempt ADU and JDU and JDUs from residential dwelling unit allocation limitation."
},
{
"text" : "So um so what they're saying here is they want to have ADUs and JDUs exempted from measure",
"timestamp" : "02:06:16-02:06:23",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:06:25-02:06:29",
"text" : "They did not say specifically it has to be through a ballot measure.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "However, given our own legal research, we know that the only way to do that is through a ballot measure.",
"timestamp" : "02:06:30-02:06:36"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "02:06:37-02:06:43",
"text" : "And is the church property still the Catholic church property still an opportunity site?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:06:43-02:06:45",
"text" : "It is an opportunity site, yeah."
},
{
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "02:06:45-02:06:46",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:06:48-02:06:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 11",
"text" : "Thank you."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:07:01-02:07:09",
"text" : "This afternoon, and I noticed a Chronicle Insights section sitting on the table that I hadn't really noticed until then.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:07:09-02:07:14",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "And there's an article in it that says a new court ruling blows up California housing."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "02:07:14-02:07:15",
"text" : "law."
},
{
"text" : "And um it's about an appeals court ruling against uh the city of Redondo Beach.",
"timestamp" : "02:07:15-02:07:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Uh and they they found they basically tossed out the housing element for a number of reasons.",
"timestamp" : "02:07:22-02:07:28"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "According to the article, but one of them was the use of um overlays to create more dwelling units to meet.",
"timestamp" : "02:07:29-02:07:42"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:07:42-02:07:46",
"text" : "the quota and they're saying that that is basically illegal.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "And um it it you know it had other issues with the",
"timestamp" : "02:07:47-02:07:51"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "02:07:51-02:07:52",
"text" : "Housing element as well."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "But you know, the the headline is a new court ruling blows up California housing law.",
"timestamp" : "02:07:53-02:07:57"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "So I'm just wondering since our housing element and LCP rely on",
"timestamp" : "02:07:57-02:08:02"
},
{
"text" : "Overlays, um workforce housing overlays primarily.",
"timestamp" : "02:08:03-02:08:09",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:08:09-02:08:12",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Um have we done"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:08:13-02:08:21",
"text" : "uh prepared an analysis of this appeals court ruling and its potential impact on on our housing element",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"text" : "Um I mean it's basically saying you can't do that, and yet we're doing that.",
"timestamp" : "02:08:22-02:08:26",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:08:26-02:08:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "And I'm wondering should we even, you know, authorize this tonight if we don't understand what the impact of this ruling is on"
},
{
"text" : "our own housing element.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "02:08:35-02:08:36"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "02:08:37-02:08:39",
"text" : "Seems like there's similar issues here."
},
{
"text" : "Um I read that case last week and was",
"timestamp" : "02:08:41-02:08:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "uh surprised by it given that I think in that case HCD actually had certified the housing element.",
"timestamp" : "02:08:45-02:08:50"
},
{
"text" : "Right.",
"timestamp" : "02:08:51-02:08:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"text" : "And generally the courts would defer to that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:08:51-02:08:53"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "I will say",
"timestamp" : "02:08:53-02:08:54"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Uh I have not done that analysis.",
"timestamp" : "02:08:55-02:08:57"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:08:58-02:09:02",
"text" : "Uh I don't know to the extent we rely on overlays versus other mechanisms."
},
{
"text" : "I think we've got a much bigger buffer than the Redondo Beach had, and I think Rodondo Beach has um maybe had a different posture in terms of",
"timestamp" : "02:09:02-02:09:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"text" : "of being a little bit more aggressive in terms of biting HCD, frankly, um than um you know other cities are.",
"timestamp" : "02:09:10-02:09:18",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:09:18-02:09:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Uh so uh I think um"
},
{
"text" : "I I guess I would uh you know see if Les has any additional thoughts about the the extent of our use of overlays, but I do believe we've got a pretty sizable buffer um which would insulate us from any sort of um",
"timestamp" : "02:09:22-02:09:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"text" : "you know, litigation.",
"timestamp" : "02:09:35-02:09:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:09:37-02:09:45",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "I think also the other thing is that in Redondo Beach, um the opponents of that plan I'd made very you know were very vocal in their opposition."
},
{
"text" : "to the plan.",
"timestamp" : "02:09:45-02:09:46",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:09:47-02:09:54",
"text" : "So they had a heads up that there was litigation risk and concern about the overlays."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:09:54-02:09:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "I don't think we're we have a similar situation here."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:09:57-02:09:58",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Here."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:09:58-02:10:04",
"text" : "But I guess Leslie, I don't think you have anything to add about overlay workforce housing overlays.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:10:04-02:10:08",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "I'm reluctant to add anything because I I don't know anything about the case."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:10:10-02:10:11",
"text" : "Well, I wasn't asking to add anything.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "02:10:11-02:10:18",
"text" : "I was wondering whether we should defer temporarily while we, you know, analyze the impacts of this decision on"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:10:19-02:10:20",
"text" : "us but just a question.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "I mean I I would I would ask do we know how much of our estimated housing production is based on our workforce housing overlay",
"timestamp" : "02:10:21-02:10:31"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "Um, not off the top of my head, um it might be a good question for Asher.",
"timestamp" : "02:10:33-02:10:39"
},
{
"text" : "He might have a better sense of that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:10:40-02:10:42"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "02:10:47-02:10:51",
"text" : "I want to claim so in this case Redondo Beach was suing HCD?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:10:52-02:10:57",
"text" : "No, it was actually an outside group uh challenging Redondo Beach's housing element."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "I think it's a Yimbees type of group, if I'm not mistaken.",
"timestamp" : "02:10:59-02:11:02"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:11:06-02:11:10",
"text" : "So H C D, who would appeal this case?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "H C D",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "02:11:10-02:11:11"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:11:13-02:11:16",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "I think it was the the I have to go back and look."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "02:11:16-02:11:18",
"text" : "I think the plaintiff The article says it was a developer."
},
{
"text" : "Yeah, okay.",
"timestamp" : "02:11:19-02:11:19",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:11:19-02:11:25",
"text" : "So um pro-development interests, the develop development community challenged the city.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:11:25-02:11:27",
"text" : "uh the city's housing element.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"text" : "I don't even know if HCD was a member was part of the lawsuit, but this was a a you know a group that wanted more to see more housing in Redondo Beach that would be more readily approved.",
"timestamp" : "02:11:27-02:11:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "So it wanted Redondo Beach to do better in terms of its its housing elements.",
"timestamp" : "02:11:39-02:11:43"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "But you don't think it's really similar to our situation.",
"timestamp" : "02:11:44-02:11:47"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Well I think one thing I you know I don't have the numbers in front of me, but I think a critical question is really how much of our arena are we satisfying by our work flavor?",
"timestamp" : "02:11:48-02:11:58"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:11:58-02:11:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "workforce housing overlay."
},
{
"text" : "Because if that number is pretty small, I um I I wouldn't be concerned about this case.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:12:00-02:12:05"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "I think we are satisfying almost all of our arena through opportunity sites and housing sites.",
"timestamp" : "02:12:06-02:12:14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:12:15-02:12:17",
"text" : "Did we manage to get Asher on?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:12:17-02:12:19",
"text" : "Okay, let's have him",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:12:19-02:12:20",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "Respond."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"text" : "Yes, I am.",
"timestamp" : "02:12:22-02:12:22"
},
{
"text" : "Uh good evening.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"timestamp" : "02:12:23-02:12:23"
},
{
"text" : "Good evening, members of council, National M Group.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"timestamp" : "02:12:24-02:12:26"
},
{
"text" : "Um so we have I just um pulled up the housing",
"timestamp" : "02:12:27-02:12:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 22"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:12:31-02:12:32",
"text" : "Element I'm looking at.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 22"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"text" : "We have a table of housing opportunity sites.",
"timestamp" : "02:12:32-02:12:34"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"text" : "It's table C5 on C13.",
"timestamp" : "02:12:34-02:12:37"
},
{
"text" : "I don't know what number that is in the pat in the uh packet, but um there's potentially three sites that use the",
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"timestamp" : "02:12:37-02:12:45"
},
{
"text" : "workforce housing overlay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"timestamp" : "02:12:45-02:12:46"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:12:46-02:12:54",
"text" : "However, the critical difference here, I believe, with um what I've read with the Redondo Beach case is that they use an overlay of",
"speaker" : "Speaker 22"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"timestamp" : "02:12:54-02:13:03",
"text" : "Over sites that were active commercial or industrial bases and have um the argument that was made is that those were"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:13:03-02:13:13",
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"text" : "were um sites that the underlying zoning did not uh did not require residential housing."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:13:13-02:13:15",
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"text" : "So it's a very different situation."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:13:15-02:13:26",
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"text" : "than the three sites we have where um there's um we don't have that conflict and i would say that um for what i've read of the redondo peach"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"text" : "That stemmed from an earlier case in um the city of Clovis, which had to do with housing overlays and um the similar situation.",
"timestamp" : "02:13:26-02:13:35"
},
{
"text" : "And that came out in a 2024",
"timestamp" : "02:13:35-02:13:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 22"
},
{
"text" : "three and as part of this um draft and the previous draft we've worked with HCD in ensuring that we um what they called our Clovis analysis and that was something",
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"timestamp" : "02:13:37-02:13:50"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:13:50-02:13:57",
"text" : "That we had to work through with them to make sure that our overlay wouldn't conflict with that underlying legal case.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 22"
},
{
"text" : "Thanks.",
"timestamp" : "02:14:02-02:14:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "That's a very helpful distinction in terms of the Redondo Beach case.",
"timestamp" : "02:14:03-02:14:06"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:14:07-02:14:09",
"text" : "And thank you for reminding me of that because I I uh"
},
{
"text" : "I failed to mention that the underlying zoning there was commercial.",
"timestamp" : "02:14:09-02:14:13",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:14:13-02:14:19",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "And so the court was very concerned that this wouldn't actually develop as housing."
},
{
"text" : "And so our housing sites, Asher, correct me if I'm wrong, they are um different.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:14:20-02:14:26"
},
{
"text" : "The overlay is over essentially resident uh residential uses.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:14:27-02:14:31"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"text" : "That's correct.",
"timestamp" : "02:14:34-02:14:35"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"text" : "They're zoning that would allow residential use and overlay just allows um workforce housing, so a different style of residential.",
"timestamp" : "02:14:35-02:14:44"
},
{
"text" : "Yeah, I'm hearing I feel that's different enough.",
"timestamp" : "02:14:48-02:14:50",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:14:51-02:14:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So we could proceed."
},
{
"text" : "And well, that's a discussion yet, we're just clarifying here.",
"timestamp" : "02:14:55-02:14:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Sorry.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "02:14:59-02:14:59"
},
{
"text" : "Are there any other clarifying questions before we open it up for public comment?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "02:15:00-02:15:06"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Okay.",
"timestamp" : "02:15:09-02:15:10"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "02:15:11-02:15:16",
"text" : "Um now open for public comment."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Uh so far I have uh we have two online and one in the room.",
"timestamp" : "02:15:16-02:15:20"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:15:21-02:15:27",
"text" : "I'll start with the one in the room, which will be uh Joaquin Jimenez, and he will be followed by",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Jeremy Levine who's online.",
"timestamp" : "02:15:28-02:15:31"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:15:31-02:15:34",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So first we'll hear from Makin."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "02:15:34-02:15:34"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:15:41-02:15:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "Good evening, one more time."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:15:43-02:15:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "Uh Honorable Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council members, uh City Staff, uh members of the public."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:15:48-02:15:51",
"text" : "Uh so we are in a predicament.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"timestamp" : "02:15:51-02:15:54",
"text" : "Uh yes questions."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "I mean, is half the Calmay ready to provide housing by uh 2031?",
"timestamp" : "02:15:54-02:16:00"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"timestamp" : "02:16:00-02:16:03",
"text" : "Alright, the arena cycle ends on 2031."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:16:04-02:16:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "I mean we are waiting for housing to be uh I mean build your own community."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "I don't know if you remember.",
"timestamp" : "02:16:12-02:16:13"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "I do remember March 8th, 2023, there was a Coastal Commission meeting here at the Oceano Hotel.",
"timestamp" : "02:16:14-02:16:22"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"timestamp" : "02:16:22-02:16:30",
"text" : "And one of the questions that it was asked to them, how come you're not approving low-income housing development in the coast?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "The answer was we don't have any applicants.",
"timestamp" : "02:16:32-02:16:37"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "So they're not denying any development for low-income housing or very low-income housing here in the coast.",
"timestamp" : "02:16:38-02:16:44"
},
{
"text" : "What is half of it doing?",
"timestamp" : "02:16:49-02:16:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:16:53-02:17:01",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "To uh invite our local developers to build low-income housing that is greatly needed here in our community."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:17:02-02:17:04",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "555 Kelly"
},
{
"text" : "It's something that's been talked about in this uh splitting of community about housing for retired farm workers.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"timestamp" : "02:17:05-02:17:12"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"timestamp" : "02:17:14-02:17:19",
"text" : "I mean so far the low-income housing that we have is in Stone Pine, 46 units."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "I mean the numbers are very low income, 181 units.",
"timestamp" : "02:17:21-02:17:26"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "For low income, 104.",
"timestamp" : "02:17:27-02:17:30"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"timestamp" : "02:17:31-02:17:32",
"text" : "Add them up."
},
{
"text" : "So to you questions are what are we gonna do?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"timestamp" : "02:17:34-02:17:37"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"timestamp" : "02:17:38-02:17:47",
"text" : "When we are not able to meet this quota of building this low-income housing and the state comes in, it is gonna force us to develop."
},
{
"text" : "I mean uh what are are we ready for that?",
"timestamp" : "02:17:49-02:17:52",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "There's a big discussion about potential sites here in Half-Bay to develop housing.",
"timestamp" : "02:17:52-02:17:57"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "Just potential sites.",
"timestamp" : "02:17:59-02:18:00"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "I mean our beloved uh Catholic Church, Catholic community, thinking that we were trying to take the land away from them",
"timestamp" : "02:18:03-02:18:11"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:18:12-02:18:15",
"text" : "We were not taking no land away from anybody.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:18:15-02:18:17",
"text" : "It's a potential site.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"text" : "We have other sites.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"timestamp" : "02:18:18-02:18:19"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "We need the housing.",
"timestamp" : "02:18:20-02:18:21"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "Okimuri needs the housing.",
"timestamp" : "02:18:21-02:18:22"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:18:25-02:18:29",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "If we don't do this, we're gonna be in trouble."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:18:29-02:18:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "The city of Half-Maze is gonna be in trouble."
},
{
"text" : "We're gonna see a lot of four-story buildings",
"timestamp" : "02:18:32-02:18:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"timestamp" : "02:18:36-02:18:39",
"text" : "They're gonna be built for four long for low-income housing."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:18:39-02:18:41",
"text" : "Are we prepared for that?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 12",
"text" : "Ask your question",
"timestamp" : "02:18:42-02:18:43"
},
{
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "02:18:44-02:18:45",
"speaker" : "Speaker 12"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:18:45-02:18:47",
"text" : "Thank you, Joaquin.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Our next speaker on Zoom Online is Jeremy Levine, to be followed by Mike Ferrar.",
"timestamp" : "02:18:47-02:18:55",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Good evening, Half Moon Bay City Council, City Staff, Jeremy Levine here speaking on behalf of the Housing Leadership Council of San Mateo County.",
"timestamp" : "02:18:58-02:19:07",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"text" : "HLC exists to work with communities.",
"timestamp" : "02:19:07-02:19:09"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:19:09-02:19:12",
"text" : "And their leaders to produce and preserve quality, affordable homes.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23"
},
{
"text" : "And to that end, we have uh commented and reviewed and commented and reviewed and sometimes commented and reviewed some more on every housing element in San Mateo County.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"timestamp" : "02:19:12-02:19:24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:19:23-02:19:30",
"text" : "Half moon base is the last housing element waiting for certification from HCD, so we're following it closely.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"text" : "And",
"timestamp" : "02:19:31-02:19:31"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"text" : "A a couple thoughts.",
"timestamp" : "02:19:32-02:19:33"
},
{
"text" : "The first is that the housing element process requires removing constraints to housing and",
"timestamp" : "02:19:33-02:19:40",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23"
},
{
"text" : "Measure D is a a pretty strong constraint to housing.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"timestamp" : "02:19:40-02:19:44"
},
{
"text" : "HCD is asking the city to determine that ADUs",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"timestamp" : "02:19:44-02:19:48"
},
{
"text" : "are not subject to the Measure D unit cap.",
"timestamp" : "02:19:49-02:19:52",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:19:52-02:20:01",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"text" : "And we agree with that legal analysis that just under existing ADU law, the city can deem that ADUs"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"text" : "Do not apply to the CAP overall.",
"timestamp" : "02:20:01-02:20:04"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"text" : "It's really important to further ADU production in the city to not constrain it.",
"timestamp" : "02:20:04-02:20:09"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"timestamp" : "02:20:10-02:20:12",
"text" : "And we even go a step further."
},
{
"text" : "As we've written in emails to the city, we think that Measure D is not enforceable under state housing element law.",
"timestamp" : "02:20:12-02:20:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23"
},
{
"text" : "The city of Alameda had a somewhat similar growth cap, which they deemed an unmitigable constraint on meeting their housing goals, which they they then bypassed.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"timestamp" : "02:20:21-02:20:33"
},
{
"text" : "And uh they they got H C D sign off to do that.",
"timestamp" : "02:20:33-02:20:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23"
},
{
"text" : "HCD, I think, would support the C declaring measure D unenforceable under state.",
"timestamp" : "02:20:38-02:20:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:20:43-02:20:48",
"text" : "And that is potentially going to be necessary for Half Moon Bay to meet its housing goals.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"timestamp" : "02:20:48-02:20:53",
"text" : "As the previous commenter noted, there there will have to be more housing in Half Moon Bay."
},
{
"text" : "Which brings me to my second point.",
"timestamp" : "02:20:54-02:20:55",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"text" : "There are projects currently proposed in Half Moon Bay that need this council support, and without this council support, the city is uh the city's housing element is not going to",
"timestamp" : "02:20:56-02:21:07"
},
{
"text" : "It the past muster.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"timestamp" : "02:21:07-02:21:09"
},
{
"text" : "So I HLC and our partners hope that the city will move forward with the existing housing proposals, including projects like 555 Kelly, which are part of the communities.",
"timestamp" : "02:21:09-02:21:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:21:21-02:21:27",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"text" : "housing element and not try to impose again new constraints that are not described in the document."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"text" : "So uh we we look forward to continuing to support the",
"timestamp" : "02:21:28-02:21:31"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:21:32-02:21:33",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"text" : "For what it's worth."
},
{
"text" : "We don't think that you have anything to worry about from the Redondo Beach case.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"timestamp" : "02:21:33-02:21:36"
},
{
"text" : "So I'm glad the council member brought it up and did due diligence.",
"timestamp" : "02:21:36-02:21:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:21:39-02:21:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"text" : "But we do think that there are ways the city can continue."
},
{
"text" : "working to support housing and uh being bold with policy reforms that will make a difference.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"timestamp" : "02:21:42-02:21:48"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:21:48-02:21:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"text" : "So thank you for your time."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 23",
"timestamp" : "02:21:49-02:21:52",
"text" : "I look forward to hearing the rest of tonight's conversation."
},
{
"text" : "Thank you, Jeremy.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "02:21:53-02:21:54"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Next speaker, and looks like our final speaker is Mike Ferrar.",
"timestamp" : "02:21:55-02:21:59"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:22:03-02:22:04",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "Thank you, Mayor."
},
{
"text" : "Uh Council members.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"timestamp" : "02:22:04-02:22:06"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:22:08-02:22:11",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "I don't want to get too distracted by the prior comment"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:22:11-02:22:18",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "But I will try to zero in on some things that troubled me, which is"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:22:20-02:22:29",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "A state agency that's not elected, it's really not even appointed, telling you"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "That you have to change your ordinances, or you have to put something on the ballot",
"timestamp" : "02:22:30-02:22:37"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "And I find that extraordinarily distasteful and it makes me very happy that I'm not sitting in any of your seats",
"timestamp" : "02:22:39-02:22:46"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "The uh I am disappointed that the Coastal Commission appears to be standing by while this happens.",
"timestamp" : "02:22:49-02:22:56"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:22:58-02:23:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "Uh if I were to believe in ghosts, I would have to say something about the ghost of Peter Douglas and what his reaction would be to this situation."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:23:12-02:23:15",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "Measure D is a very good ordinance."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:23:15-02:23:19",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "It was passed by a wide margin by the voters of Half-Loof Bay."
},
{
"text" : "There seems to be this mythical concept that there's this huge command that would only be built if we would get rid of Measure D.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"timestamp" : "02:23:21-02:23:33"
},
{
"text" : "So how many are rejected every year?",
"timestamp" : "02:23:34-02:23:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21"
},
{
"text" : "I will tell you it's a piddly number.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"timestamp" : "02:23:39-02:23:42"
},
{
"text" : "And in most years, we're not even close to the measured D.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"timestamp" : "02:23:43-02:23:46"
},
{
"text" : "limits.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"timestamp" : "02:23:47-02:23:48"
},
{
"text" : "This is ghost chasing.",
"timestamp" : "02:23:49-02:23:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:23:53-02:23:58",
"text" : "Maybe you have to agree to this, although you know the hippies used to call it a future trip.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:23:59-02:24:07",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "Promising to do something in the future in return for something now, which is a bit strange"
},
{
"text" : "But it's I guess that's the the problem that you faced with.",
"timestamp" : "02:24:09-02:24:13",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21"
},
{
"text" : "Put it on the ballot.",
"timestamp" : "02:24:16-02:24:17",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:24:18-02:24:20",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "Some of us are not going to vote for it"
},
{
"text" : "Some of us will fight it.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"timestamp" : "02:24:21-02:24:23"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"timestamp" : "02:24:26-02:24:29",
"text" : "And I think that really should be brought to the people."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:24:29-02:24:32",
"text" : "Even the half-count should go to the people.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "Put it up there.",
"timestamp" : "02:24:32-02:24:33"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:24:34-02:24:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21",
"text" : "Let the people vote."
},
{
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "02:24:35-02:24:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 21"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you, Mike.",
"timestamp" : "02:24:37-02:24:38"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "02:24:40-02:24:43",
"text" : "That concludes our public session."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you, everybody, for contributing.",
"timestamp" : "02:24:43-02:24:46"
},
{
"text" : "Your input.",
"timestamp" : "02:24:46-02:24:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:24:50-02:24:53",
"text" : "Public session closed.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:24:53-02:24:56",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Now open for council discussion."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:25:09-02:25:21",
"text" : "I think uh well the point five I think I was talking to a commissioner uh uh over the weekend about it and it's either no measure D for A to use and"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:25:21-02:25:28",
"text" : "and J does uh or the point five and it goes to the vote because we're changing measure D."
},
{
"text" : "Um I think it should go to the vote.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:25:28-02:25:30"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Um but I also",
"timestamp" : "02:25:31-02:25:32"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:25:32-02:25:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "in favor of ADUs because I think it's are we doing oh sorry."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Uh because I think ADUs are important for our town.",
"timestamp" : "02:25:38-02:25:41"
},
{
"text" : "I think it's something that I remember back in the day",
"timestamp" : "02:25:42-02:25:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:25:44-02:25:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "as as a planning commissioner, ADUs were not popular and we didn't want 'em."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Uh but the way this housing element's been written with parking was an issue and there",
"timestamp" : "02:25:48-02:25:53"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:25:54-02:25:56",
"text" : "restricting or not they're pulling back on that a little bit."
},
{
"text" : "Uh they weren't as popular and I remember substandard lots were we were tr trying to merge the lots and make bigger homes and now we're saying smaller homes.",
"timestamp" : "02:25:56-02:26:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:26:05-02:26:07",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "So we're trying to make them more affordable."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:26:07-02:26:15",
"text" : "Um and so I'm I'm in favor of the ADUs, I'm in favor of going to the vote uh so that we can get people"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "people's input on this, but I also think we don't we have to have like another option too if it doesn't pass in a vote?",
"timestamp" : "02:26:15-02:26:22"
},
{
"text" : "Isn't that true in there somewhere it was written?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:26:22-02:26:24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:26:28-02:26:33",
"text" : "Yeah, if if the ballot measure didn't pass, they would ask that we explore other avenues.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "It's not clear what those other avenues are.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:26:34-02:26:36"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:27:41-02:27:42",
"text" : "Sorry about that."
},
{
"text" : "Let me move this.",
"timestamp" : "02:27:43-02:27:45",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:27:45-02:27:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "So I don't think the homeless count was correct on uh page two sixty, because we we got data today, if I'm not mistaken."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "um how many people we have because in the report it says a certain amount but it doesn't match.",
"timestamp" : "02:27:53-02:27:58"
},
{
"text" : "Yeah, uh I can if if it's okay to address that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "02:27:58-02:28:01"
},
{
"text" : "The homeless count, the official number comes through a a biannual process.",
"timestamp" : "02:28:01-02:28:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:28:07-02:28:15",
"text" : "The data you heard today is an an informal process that is only within San Mateo County and is done through the service providers.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "So there's",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "02:28:16-02:28:17"
},
{
"text" : "Different they're there's similar comparable data points, but they're collected in different ways, and so there's a consistency here that's important.",
"timestamp" : "02:28:18-02:28:25",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "for for this particular item.",
"timestamp" : "02:28:26-02:28:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:28:29-02:28:33",
"text" : "So what we heard today is boots on the ground, something going on.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "The number that's referenced here is is a more consistent approach that happens every other year.",
"timestamp" : "02:28:33-02:28:40"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:28:40-02:28:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "And that count will be upped uh re-upped in January."
},
{
"text" : "But we won't have that data till late next year.",
"timestamp" : "02:28:43-02:28:45",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:28:47-02:28:53",
"text" : "We talk about the mobile home park facilities expansion of existing uh mobile home parks and allow",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:28:53-02:28:54",
"text" : "Uh appropriate sites.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "I agree with that, which is on two seventy-two.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:28:55-02:28:57"
},
{
"text" : "I know Keith Nirhan's talking about building some mobile homes up Goat Hill and he's",
"timestamp" : "02:28:57-02:29:01",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:29:02-02:29:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Looking at other areas."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Workforce housing and essential workers.",
"timestamp" : "02:29:04-02:29:06"
},
{
"text" : "I brought that and for teachers.",
"timestamp" : "02:29:06-02:29:08",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:29:10-02:29:11",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "What else?"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:29:13-02:29:15",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "I'm in support of the small lots fill ins."
},
{
"text" : "And then what else was I talking about?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:29:16-02:29:18"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:29:18-02:29:19",
"text" : "Oh, I want to talk about",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:29:20-02:29:31",
"text" : "Um LCLUP policy two dash four seven, page two eighty two, uh repairing I was bringing up it it's talking about repairing and and",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "um riparian areas and I was giving like examples of Kehoe.",
"timestamp" : "02:29:31-02:29:36"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:29:37-02:29:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "If you have a riparian area that's deemed riparian, so the water course now called watercourse, but it has willow trees."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "How do how many other homes do we have that are in that riparian area like ditches and all that stuff?",
"timestamp" : "02:29:43-02:29:48"
},
{
"text" : "And they're excluded?",
"timestamp" : "02:29:48-02:29:50",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "And here we have potential areas that somebody could build the ADU, but we have the riparian and that's",
"timestamp" : "02:29:50-02:29:54",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:29:55-02:30:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "an issue and how would that be affected and what kind of is it is it is this going to make it easier or is it gonna make it harder or is it the same process because that now has to go to CDP and Coastal Commission"
},
{
"text" : "So typically when there's um when there's development that would be near a riparian area, there's a buffer that",
"timestamp" : "02:30:08-02:30:18",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:30:18-02:30:28",
"text" : "has to stay out of if the if the the lot is such that they can't completely stay out of the buffer they move as far away as they can and there are other",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "smaller buffers that that you put in place in that in that case.",
"timestamp" : "02:30:30-02:30:34",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:30:34-02:30:39",
"text" : "What if the property already had mitigated measure that it was",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "was built out at some point with a mitigated wedger like a frog wall, could you add an ADU in that area then afterwards since it's already been mitigated?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:30:39-02:30:48"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:30:50-02:30:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "I'm sorry."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:30:52-02:30:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "Say that again?"
},
{
"text" : "If if you added into your home, let's say twenty years ago and you went into the riparian area or the buffer area, but there was a mitigation that you did like",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:30:53-02:31:02"
},
{
"text" : "For instance, a frog wall, and it was approved by Fish and Game and all that stuff.",
"timestamp" : "02:31:02-02:31:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:31:06-02:31:11",
"text" : "Would you have to go through that whole process again to add an ADU?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:31:14-02:31:23",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "I can't I can't say off the top of my head uh what the process would be in that kind of very specific situation."
},
{
"text" : "Um but",
"timestamp" : "02:31:23-02:31:25",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "I would say that if if the ADU is going to impact habitat, then that would take it out of the realm of an administrative coastal development permit.",
"timestamp" : "02:31:26-02:31:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "Okay.",
"timestamp" : "02:31:38-02:31:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:31:40-02:31:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "And then on so the traffic conditions are level F as called out on 284."
},
{
"text" : "Uh and that's so they're saying on the met uh",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:31:47-02:31:50"
},
{
"text" : "mitigated uh deck, whatever it was, the that's not gonna change.",
"timestamp" : "02:31:50-02:31:55",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "The traffic will always be F.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:31:55-02:31:56"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:31:56-02:32:01",
"text" : "I mean we're we're not gonna even though we're growing, it's just gonna always stay at the same level.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "Because we don't have any really course of action to change that.",
"timestamp" : "02:32:01-02:32:04",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "traffic.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:32:04-02:32:04"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:32:05-02:32:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Is that correct?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:32:06-02:32:06",
"text" : "Yeah."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:32:08-02:32:11",
"text" : "And you answered the question on the four eighty units versus seventy two."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:32:11-02:32:15",
"text" : "Is just that there's a buffer incorporated inside theirs just so they they go bigger."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "02:32:15-02:32:17",
"text" : "And they think outside."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:32:17-02:32:25",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Um I think oh, fire safety."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:32:25-02:32:28",
"text" : "Um no I don't need to talk about",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "about that but uh uh the parking standards so on that note w we're we're easing up on the parking standards for ADUs and Jada's correct and",
"timestamp" : "02:32:28-02:32:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:32:36-02:32:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "for these homes."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "But at the same token, we have a parking issue in our town.",
"timestamp" : "02:32:38-02:32:42"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:32:42-02:32:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "So we I think as as our city we should think about that because we have parking issues, but we're"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "also easing up on the parking restrictions for these units in down in the downtown area.",
"timestamp" : "02:32:48-02:32:53"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:32:54-02:32:58",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "So that's one thing that it's I mean we've all talked about that before."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:33:09-02:33:11",
"text" : "Are there any more",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Do we need an answer to something now or no?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "02:33:14-02:33:16"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Okay.",
"timestamp" : "02:33:17-02:33:17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:33:17-02:33:18",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Do you have a comment?"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:33:18-02:33:19",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Yeah, go ahead."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "02:33:20-02:33:22",
"text" : "There's a couple of things."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "02:33:22-02:33:27",
"text" : "It it if I could direct something to the city attorney, Catherine"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Just quickly, you're absolutely confident that the Redondo Beach decision has no nothing here in Half Moon Bay?",
"timestamp" : "02:33:27-02:33:36"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:33:37-02:33:37",
"text" : "We're we're okay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:33:37-02:33:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Yeah, thank you for bringing it up again."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:33:39-02:33:44",
"text" : "I actually had a chance to pull up the case because I was going by memory because I read it last week and hadn't refreshed on it.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Uh so just to summarize the facts of that case, I do think it's distinguishable, but just to",
"timestamp" : "02:33:44-02:33:49"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "It's better explain why.",
"timestamp" : "02:33:49-02:33:50"
},
{
"text" : "Um in that case it was a developer that sued the city um arguing that its housing element was non compliance uh because they had not",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:33:51-02:34:00"
},
{
"text" : "identified adequate sites and the sites that they had identified they were commercial sites.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:34:00-02:34:07"
},
{
"text" : "It was on commercial and industrial.",
"timestamp" : "02:34:07-02:34:09",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"text" : "And the city was using them to accommodate their low-income housing need.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:34:09-02:34:14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:34:14-02:34:20",
"text" : "And the city put an overlay that would allow for density of up to 55 dwelling units per acre.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:34:20-02:34:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "So the city was really hoping, you know, basically on paper, it was looking like these are going to be really good sites."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "We're going to get a lot of housing out of them.",
"timestamp" : "02:34:24-02:34:26"
},
{
"text" : "But what the court found was that, well, that doesn't actually ensure that any housing you have",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:34:27-02:34:33"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "units are going to be developed there.",
"timestamp" : "02:34:32-02:34:33"
},
{
"text" : "Just because a developer may develop up to 55 units doesn't ensure that that will happen, given that they're industrial and commercial, that someone could just come in and just do industrial or commercial.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:34:33-02:34:45"
},
{
"text" : "And so I mean I did find the case surprising given that HCD actually had certified Redondo Beach's housing element.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:34:46-02:34:53"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:34:53-02:34:56",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "So I I am surprised at the outcome."
},
{
"text" : "Nonetheless, I do not see any parallel with what Happen Bay's housing element has done, given that the overlay has only been applied to a small number of sites.",
"timestamp" : "02:34:56-02:35:09",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "And those sites are allow for residential use, not the thing that the court was concerned about here, that they actually just might develop as commercial sites and we're going to get no housing units out of them.",
"timestamp" : "02:35:09-02:35:22"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "So we're we don't have our our workforce overlays are on residentially zoned.",
"timestamp" : "02:35:22-02:35:28"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Correct, correct.",
"timestamp" : "02:35:30-02:35:31"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "And um I think our consultant could give a little more details about the specific sites, uh, but that uh but yes, that's correct.",
"timestamp" : "02:35:31-02:35:40"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:35:40-02:35:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "That's a that's a major distinguishing factor."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "02:35:43-02:35:43",
"text" : "Okay."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:35:44-02:35:54",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "And and then I still I I I I I I can't comprehend why H C D is demanding us to put something on the ballot."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:35:58-02:36:02",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "HCD doesn't have any right to command us to do anything."
},
{
"text" : "Okay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "02:36:02-02:36:02"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "02:36:02-02:36:04",
"text" : "Including put anything on the ballot."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:36:05-02:36:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "Thank you."
},
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"text" : "I just want to say there is a workforce overlay over shoreline station, is there not?",
"timestamp" : "02:36:08-02:36:12",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:36:13-02:36:17",
"text" : "And the the the public facilities um in shoreline station",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:36:18-02:36:21",
"text" : "Ten units workforce hourly.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:36:25-02:36:31",
"text" : "Do we want to check with our consultant to see if um that's correct?"
},
{
"text" : "Yeah, yeah.",
"timestamp" : "02:36:31-02:36:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "Can Asher, did you get that question?",
"timestamp" : "02:36:32-02:36:35"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:36:38-02:36:39",
"text" : "Um, I'm so sorry.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 22"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"timestamp" : "02:36:39-02:36:41",
"text" : "I was responding to your question by ADU parking."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 22",
"timestamp" : "02:36:42-02:36:47",
"text" : "So I actually did not hear the question but which sites have the workforce housing"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Could you repeat the question?",
"timestamp" : "02:36:48-02:36:49"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "02:36:51-02:36:58",
"text" : "I I was just pointing out that there there is one for this area over here that allows for 10 units maximum"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Yeah.",
"timestamp" : "02:36:59-02:36:59"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:36:59-02:37:02",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "But I you know I don't need a big discussion about it."
},
{
"text" : "I'm just pointing out the that one of the housing sites in this area",
"timestamp" : "02:37:02-02:37:08",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "for ten units as covered by the workforce is there because of the workforce housing overlay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:37:09-02:37:15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:37:15-02:37:23",
"text" : "Right, because you know so there's also workforce overlay over school district property that's not zoned for housing.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "02:37:22-02:37:27",
"text" : "And there's one here in the Ted Adcock Center area."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:37:27-02:37:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "So it's not all of ours are over existing housing."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "zoning.",
"timestamp" : "02:37:31-02:37:31"
},
{
"text" : "That's all I'm trying to point out.",
"timestamp" : "02:37:31-02:37:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"text" : "Yeah, but this is not an agendized item.",
"timestamp" : "02:37:33-02:37:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"text" : "Tonight we're here to discuss two issues.",
"timestamp" : "02:37:36-02:37:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:37:40-02:37:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "One is the issue of whether or not J Dus and ADUs"
},
{
"text" : "Can be a reduced amount of Measure D allocations, specifically half a half an ADU, half a Measure D allocation.",
"timestamp" : "02:37:49-02:37:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"text" : "And whether or not we are going to pay any attention at all to HCD's suggestion, was it?",
"timestamp" : "02:37:59-02:38:07",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "I don't know what we call it, that we",
"timestamp" : "02:38:08-02:38:11"
},
{
"text" : "uh initiate a ballot measure.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "02:38:13-02:38:17"
},
{
"text" : "It's not their business and and and I am absolutely against it.",
"timestamp" : "02:38:17-02:38:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:38:22-02:38:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "So I I am I am in favor of a half of a Measure D allocation to J ADUs and JDUs."
},
{
"text" : "But I am not in favor of any kind of ballot measure.",
"timestamp" : "02:38:33-02:38:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "I would agree with that.",
"timestamp" : "02:38:38-02:38:39"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "I'm I'm fine with um assigning half of a",
"timestamp" : "02:38:39-02:38:43"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "an allocation to a um an ADU and exempting JDUs.",
"timestamp" : "02:38:43-02:38:49"
},
{
"text" : "And I I think we can do that without putting anything on the ballot.",
"timestamp" : "02:38:49-02:38:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"text" : "I'd say we just do it and you know if we're challenged.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "02:38:53-02:38:56"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "02:38:56-02:38:58",
"text" : "You know, do something different."
},
{
"text" : "But um yeah, I'm not gonna agree to put uh put it on the ballot at this point, but I will agree to um look for ways to accommodate them and",
"timestamp" : "02:38:58-02:39:07",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "That means assigning a lesser amount of measure D, I'm good with that, or exempting JDs, I'm good with that.",
"timestamp" : "02:39:07-02:39:13"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "It's a matter of policy.",
"timestamp" : "02:39:13-02:39:14"
},
{
"text" : "And I think looking at a rollover.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "02:39:20-02:39:22"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "You know, if we have, you know, unused",
"timestamp" : "02:39:23-02:39:25"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:39:26-02:39:35",
"text" : "You know, we let we give people uh measure D's, year goes by they don't use them, we take them back, we roll them over, allow the carryover.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"text" : "That creates more measure D's and more development.",
"timestamp" : "02:39:35-02:39:40",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "And I don't think we have to go to the ballot to do that.",
"timestamp" : "02:39:40-02:39:42"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:39:45-02:39:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "Can we agree to that at this hearing?"
},
{
"text" : "Okay.",
"timestamp" : "02:39:50-02:39:50",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:39:50-02:39:53",
"text" : "I mean I'm just I'm just asking our questions.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Well I think what we're saying is um sure let's approve this tonight, but take out any mention that we're gonna put anything on the ballot.",
"timestamp" : "02:39:53-02:40:01"
},
{
"text" : "You know, that we're gonna process, we're gonna, you know, work on assigning a half uh an allocation exempting JDUs.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "02:40:01-02:40:10"
},
{
"text" : "I'm looking at rollovers and I'm willing to have that in the housing element and approve that with that language.",
"timestamp" : "02:40:11-02:40:17",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"text" : "Just don't include a sentence saying we agree to put anything on the ballot.",
"timestamp" : "02:40:17-02:40:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:40:22-02:40:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "I don't think it's necessary yet."
},
{
"text" : "So according to staff, does this meet what HCD wants?",
"timestamp" : "02:40:28-02:40:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:40:31-02:40:34",
"text" : "It's just we don't have to do it with a ballot initiative.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:40:36-02:40:47",
"text" : "What yeah, so what HCD um asked us for was first the code amendments to be followed by the ballot measure in 2028.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:40:49-02:40:58",
"text" : "So the code amendments would get us to a half a unit more quickly because we wouldn't be able to do a ballot measure until twenty"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "twenty twenty eight.",
"timestamp" : "02:40:59-02:41:00"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:41:00-02:41:08",
"text" : "Um and then the ballot measure would remove ADUs from Measure D altogether, and that's really where HCD wants to go.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:41:09-02:41:13",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"text" : "They want ADUs out of Measure D"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:41:16-02:41:23",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "No, and and by twenty twenty-eight, we're already gonna be in the next cycle, the next arena cycle."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "02:41:23-02:41:23",
"text" : "Yeah."
},
{
"text" : "And then",
"timestamp" : "02:41:23-02:41:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:41:24-02:41:27",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "You know, we'll be working with HCD on an update."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "So, you know, if at that point we've been un unsuccessful uh exempting these by a matter of policy, you know, then we can deal with it.",
"timestamp" : "02:41:28-02:41:36"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "But",
"timestamp" : "02:41:37-02:41:37"
},
{
"text" : "I don't say we ki I don't I don't want any language committing to a ballot measure.",
"timestamp" : "02:41:39-02:41:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:41:45-02:41:50",
"text" : "I I think it is important to point out that um based on our conversations with HCD",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "02:41:51-02:41:54",
"text" : "they will not certify this housing element if we don't include that language."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "02:41:54-02:42:05",
"text" : "So just making it transparent to the council what we can expect if we if we remove that language and submit it to them, it is likely that they'll come back with additional comments."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:42:05-02:42:09",
"text" : "elements and we'll continue this process which is but then we don't have a housing element.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:42:10-02:42:10",
"text" : "Right.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "Right.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "02:42:10-02:42:10"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:42:10-02:42:11",
"text" : "And then what?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:42:12-02:42:14",
"text" : "Well we we know the housing element.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "We've talked about the the risks and the consequences, but",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "02:42:14-02:42:17"
},
{
"text" : "But that's you know I'm willing to take the risk.",
"timestamp" : "02:42:17-02:42:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:42:21-02:42:28",
"text" : "I am unwilling to have them tell us something as outrageous as having us tell us to put something on the ballot.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"text" : "That's not their business.",
"timestamp" : "02:42:28-02:42:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:42:30-02:42:35",
"text" : "They can tell us about ADUs and Measure D allocations all they want.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "02:42:35-02:42:36",
"text" : "And I agree with that."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:42:36-02:42:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "I I think that's their place."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "But it's not their place to tell us what to put on the pallet.",
"timestamp" : "02:42:38-02:42:41"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "It's not.",
"timestamp" : "02:42:41-02:42:42"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:42:42-02:42:44",
"text" : "That's interfering with city government.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "02:42:45-02:42:46",
"text" : "Sorry."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:42:46-02:42:49",
"text" : "Yeah, I mean that's that's not that's not ended staff.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "This is not staff's",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "02:42:49-02:42:50"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "our demand.",
"timestamp" : "02:42:51-02:42:52"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "02:42:52-02:42:53",
"text" : "It's an HCD demand."
},
{
"text" : "And I just wanted to make sure we were clear that there the the likely consequence is it will not be certified and we'll be continuing to work with HCD on this going forward.",
"timestamp" : "02:42:53-02:43:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "So",
"timestamp" : "02:43:03-02:43:03"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:43:05-02:43:11",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Well just tell them that we're going to do this without including any language about a ballot measure."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "02:43:11-02:43:13",
"text" : "So this is kind of a trust issue here."
},
{
"text" : "We want to say we'll do this by policy.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "02:43:13-02:43:15"
},
{
"text" : "That's the policy we'll do.",
"timestamp" : "02:43:15-02:43:18",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:43:17-02:43:18",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "establish."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Um and we don't need to have a ballot initiative that that'll be our policy.",
"timestamp" : "02:43:18-02:43:27"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:43:27-02:43:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "And don't expect that policy to be reversed."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Um and talked talked that through with um HCD.",
"timestamp" : "02:43:32-02:43:39"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:43:39-02:43:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Now you asked what's the con now the consequence of not having an approved"
},
{
"text" : "Housing element opens up the whole builder's remedy issue, right?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "02:43:45-02:43:49"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:43:50-02:43:52",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So builders can come in and start"
},
{
"text" : "building all kinds of things um without any restrictions, all kinds of heights, et cetera.",
"timestamp" : "02:43:54-02:44:00",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So that's always been the risk of not having an approved housing element.",
"timestamp" : "02:44:00-02:44:04"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:44:04-02:44:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So that's what we're balancing here."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "If somebody wants to put changes to measure D on the ballot, citizens can put gather you know petitions and signatures and put it on the ballot.",
"timestamp" : "02:44:10-02:44:18"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Doesn't have to be the council.",
"timestamp" : "02:44:19-02:44:20"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So are we going to structure a motion around this or",
"timestamp" : "02:44:26-02:44:32"
},
{
"text" : "Do we say we want to adopt something here, excluding the requirement to have a uh",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "02:44:35-02:44:44"
},
{
"text" : "um ballot initiative that we agree to uh not include um a duck we don't mention the ballot at all if we want to make changes",
"timestamp" : "02:44:44-02:44:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "To our policy about A B Us and J D's and Measure D allocations and leave it at that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "02:44:58-02:45:05"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:45:06-02:45:07",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "I forget about the rollover to the Mr."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:45:08-02:45:11",
"text" : "Well that doesn't really address Well maybe I can comment on that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:45:12-02:45:17",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "The current draft of the housing element that we've submitted for your consideration"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "02:45:17-02:45:19",
"text" : "consideration includes language about a ballot measure."
},
{
"text" : "So I think what the mayor is asking is if you want to make a motion adopting the",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "02:45:19-02:45:26"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "02:45:28-02:45:37",
"text" : "Draft of the housing element that we presented to you today, but before we submit it to HCD, we remove those references."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "That's what he's he's pointing out.",
"timestamp" : "02:45:37-02:45:39"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:45:39-02:45:40",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Is that"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:45:41-02:45:41",
"text" : "Yeah.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:45:42-02:45:43",
"text" : "Great.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So moved.",
"timestamp" : "02:45:45-02:45:46"
},
{
"text" : "I'm like a phrase exactly.",
"timestamp" : "02:45:46-02:45:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:45:48-02:45:50",
"text" : "What's the phrasing of that?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Catherine, maybe you can have a question.",
"timestamp" : "02:45:51-02:45:52",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "I can take a stab at that.",
"timestamp" : "02:45:52-02:45:53"
},
{
"text" : "And I actually before I do, I do want to um uh confirm what Vice Mayor uh Ruddick said about the workforce housing overlay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:45:53-02:46:00"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:46:00-02:46:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "There are two sites I'm seeing in the opportunity."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:46:04-02:46:11",
"text" : "sites that have a workforce housing overlay over a public facilities land use assignation.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:46:12-02:46:15",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "So I guess I would say that's different."
},
{
"text" : "I can still distinguish it because it's not commercial.",
"timestamp" : "02:46:15-02:46:17",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"text" : "uh like the Redondo Beach case.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:46:18-02:46:20"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:46:20-02:46:29",
"text" : "Um but again we we do have a sizable buffer and so even if for some reason those sites were not allowed uh because someone sued and challenged them, we would still have a buffer."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:46:29-02:46:32",
"text" : "So I don't think anyone would be incentivized to to challenge those sites anyway."
},
{
"text" : "As far as a motion, okay, so I'm gonna point you to um program six-eight.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:46:33-02:46:41"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:46:42-02:46:50",
"text" : "Which basically says all the things that the city is going to do regarding Measure D."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "And the first two bullets, it sounds like are acceptable.",
"timestamp" : "02:46:50-02:46:54"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Um, seek approval of a local coastal program amendment to revise the allocation requirements for ADUs and",
"timestamp" : "02:46:55-02:47:00"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:47:00-02:47:06",
"text" : "JDUs from a full allocation per unit to a lesser amount, such as a partial allocation of 0."
},
{
"text" : "5 or amount considered reasonable by the city.",
"timestamp" : "02:47:06-02:47:09",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:47:09-02:47:11",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "The city will prepare amendments to its local coastal program"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "for council consideration and Coastal Commission certification to increase available allocations.",
"timestamp" : "02:47:11-02:47:16"
},
{
"text" : "That sounds like that's okay with the council.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:47:17-02:47:19"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:47:19-02:47:21",
"text" : "And then the next bowl I think is also okay."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:47:21-02:47:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "It's reallocate unused measure deallocations."
},
{
"text" : "For ADUs and affordable housing units by rolling over those allocations to the next year for which no building permit is applied.",
"timestamp" : "02:47:24-02:47:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:47:31-02:47:32",
"text" : "I'll keep that one."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:47:32-02:47:39",
"text" : "The next the next bullet is the one that says prepare a ballot measure for the twenty twenty eight election with substantial public communications process.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "It will revise measure D by",
"timestamp" : "02:47:39-02:47:41"
},
{
"text" : "One, revising uh to define the downtown area, um, and then two, exempting ADUs um and JDUs from Measure D.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:47:42-02:47:51"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:47:51-02:47:56",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "So I think that's the bullet point that the the council is proposing to strike."
},
{
"text" : "And the last bullet point, which then would become moot because it says if the ballot measure fails, the city will seek other measures as necessary.",
"timestamp" : "02:47:57-02:48:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:48:05-02:48:16",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "So the I guess the motion to approve uh the housing element striking the two um that those two bullets in uh section I'm sorry in program six-eight."
},
{
"text" : "And I would say, you know, exempt JDUs.",
"timestamp" : "02:48:16-02:48:19",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "I mean, they're part of a house.",
"timestamp" : "02:48:20-02:48:22"
},
{
"text" : "Why would we, you know, require another measure D?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "02:48:22-02:48:25"
},
{
"text" : "So I would include going to the Coastal Commission for an amendment, not just for, you know, reducing the Measure D required for",
"timestamp" : "02:48:27-02:48:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:48:36-02:48:40",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Exterior ADUs, but why not just exempt JDUs?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Uh the the language does include JDUs, uh J ADUs.",
"timestamp" : "02:48:42-02:48:46"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Um I guess the the thinking was well they they do actually generate",
"timestamp" : "02:48:46-02:48:50"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:48:50-02:48:53",
"text" : "generate population, some some level of population."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "And so depending on the data we can collect, the city can collect in terms of how much population we just want to make sure it's",
"timestamp" : "02:48:53-02:48:59"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Consistent with measure D.",
"timestamp" : "02:49:00-02:49:01"
},
{
"text" : "And I think that could be a decision that could be made when council considers the amendment to Measure D.",
"timestamp" : "02:49:02-02:49:09",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:49:09-02:49:10",
"text" : "So I"
},
{
"text" : "But yeah, I I see your point that they do not generally generate the same level of population.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:49:10-02:49:15"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:49:19-02:49:20",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Or the overall notion."
},
{
"text" : "Yeah, I mean we we would we could use language to consider exempting JDUs, just to make sure that we include it as a possibility, but we would need the research to back it up.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17",
"timestamp" : "02:49:21-02:49:32"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:49:32-02:49:32",
"text" : "Yeah.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 17"
},
{
"text" : "I would put that language in because it you know looks committed on our part.",
"timestamp" : "02:49:35-02:49:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"text" : "Right.",
"timestamp" : "02:49:40-02:49:40",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"text" : "Right.",
"timestamp" : "02:49:40-02:49:40",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"text" : "So that would be go in the first bullet um to add a consider um exempting JDUs.",
"timestamp" : "02:49:40-02:49:46",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:49:53-02:49:54",
"text" : "We're just taking it out of the hand.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 18"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:49:54-02:49:54",
"text" : "Okay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 18"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:50:00-02:50:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Yes, I'm happy to um would like you to to state the motion, a suggested motion."
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:50:05-02:50:06",
"text" : "That would be terrific.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "I didn't know if you needed a break to do that or",
"timestamp" : "02:50:06-02:50:08",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "Actually I could use a short break to do that.",
"timestamp" : "02:50:09-02:50:11"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:50:11-02:50:11",
"text" : "Okay."
},
{
"text" : "Thank you for suggesting that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "02:50:11-02:50:12"
},
{
"text" : "Okay.",
"timestamp" : "02:50:13-02:50:13",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:50:13-02:50:14",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Let's take a short break."
},
{
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "02:50:14-02:50:14",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "02:50:15-02:50:15",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "And we'll come back."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "02:50:15-02:50:16"
},
{
"text" : "Thank you, everyone.",
"timestamp" : "03:02:04-03:02:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "We're back in session and we have a",
"timestamp" : "03:02:05-03:02:07"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "If I could, Mayor, I do want to just uh make one explain one explanatory note uh regarding this staff recommendation.",
"timestamp" : "03:02:12-03:02:19"
},
{
"text" : "Um",
"timestamp" : "03:02:20-03:02:20",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "There's two recommended changes to program 6.",
"timestamp" : "03:02:21-03:02:25"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "86 language.",
"timestamp" : "03:02:25-03:02:27"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:02:27-03:02:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "The first one we talked about, it's the second bullet, remove all references to a ballot measure."
},
{
"text" : "The first sentence in that program, I uh I will say I have some concerns with and from a legal perspective I would recommend deleting it.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "03:02:32-03:02:41"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:02:41-03:02:46",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "I I understand it was language recommended by HCD, but I did just want to note that"
},
{
"text" : "It states that Measure D is only applicable to the extent that it is judicially determined to be in compliance with state law.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"timestamp" : "03:02:46-03:02:54"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:02:55-03:03:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "That suggests to me that we need to go to court to get a judicial determination and that um just like I think the council's concerned about being forced to"
},
{
"text" : "put something on the ballot, I I think there's a I I would have a concern about being forced to put take something to court to determine that it is valid.",
"timestamp" : "03:03:05-03:03:12",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:03:12-03:03:16",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "So I think that um so my recommendation would be um"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 7",
"text" : "are making changes to this program to also remove that sentence.",
"timestamp" : "03:03:16-03:03:20"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:03:22-03:03:25",
"text" : "So can I just say so moved or have to remove",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So do you need me to read that out?",
"timestamp" : "03:03:26-03:03:28"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:03:29-03:03:33",
"text" : "So this is the this is the full uh recommended uh motion in front of you.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:03:34-03:03:34",
"text" : "Oh you don't?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:03:34-03:03:34",
"text" : "Oh",
"speaker" : "Speaker 7"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:03:36-03:03:37",
"text" : "Okay.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Want me to make the motion?",
"timestamp" : "03:03:38-03:03:39"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "I'll make the motion here.",
"timestamp" : "03:03:39-03:03:40"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:03:40-03:03:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "I remove that we adopt the mitigated neg negative declaration"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "for the 2023-2031 six cycle housing element and adopt the housing element dated October 2025 for review by the California Department of Housing",
"timestamp" : "03:03:44-03:03:54"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "and community development with the following amendments to programs six programs six through eight.",
"timestamp" : "03:03:54-03:04:01"
},
{
"text" : "Six-eight, sorry.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:04:02-03:04:03"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Remove the sentence measure D as currently reinforced through section eight of the measure.",
"timestamp" : "03:04:04-03:04:09"
},
{
"text" : "Is only applicable to the extent that it is judicially determined to be in compliance with state law and remove all references to a ballot measure.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:04:09-03:04:21"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Second.",
"timestamp" : "03:04:24-03:04:24"
},
{
"text" : "Can I have a roll call, please?",
"timestamp" : "03:04:25-03:04:27",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:04:27-03:04:29",
"text" : "Councilmember Johnson?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"text" : "Yes.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:04:29-03:04:29"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:04:30-03:04:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Councilmember Nagengast?"
},
{
"text" : "No.",
"timestamp" : "03:04:32-03:04:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:04:32-03:04:33",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Councilmember Penrose?"
},
{
"text" : "Yes.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"timestamp" : "03:04:34-03:04:34"
},
{
"text" : "Vice Mayor Ruddick?",
"timestamp" : "03:04:34-03:04:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"text" : "Yes.",
"timestamp" : "03:04:36-03:04:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Mayor Brownstone?",
"timestamp" : "03:04:36-03:04:37"
},
{
"text" : "Yes.",
"timestamp" : "03:04:37-03:04:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Motion carries.",
"timestamp" : "03:04:38-03:04:39"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you, everybody.",
"timestamp" : "03:04:39-03:04:41"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Moving on, we will now have a financial report for the quarter ended on September 30th, 2025.",
"timestamp" : "03:04:42-03:04:47"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "And thank you, Ken.",
"timestamp" : "03:04:48-03:04:49"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:04:49-03:04:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "We'll uh deliver our"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "All right, good evening uh Mr.",
"timestamp" : "03:05:25-03:05:27"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:05:27-03:05:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Mayor and Council."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:05:28-03:05:32",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Uh today I'm going to be presenting the financial report."
},
{
"text" : "Uh we do these presentations quarterly, and this is for the first quarter that ended this past",
"timestamp" : "03:05:32-03:05:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:05:39-03:05:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "September."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Oh, I've got to show up.",
"timestamp" : "03:05:39-03:05:41"
},
{
"text" : "So starting with revenues, we have our major revenues with a comparison to the prior budget based on",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:05:56-03:06:02"
},
{
"text" : "on percentage.",
"timestamp" : "03:06:02-03:06:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"text" : "Um starting with the first one, uh transient occupancy tax or TOT tax.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:06:03-03:06:07"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:06:08-03:06:13",
"text" : "We had budgeted eight point six million and we've received about nine hundred K."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:06:13-03:06:16",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "That's about eleven percent of budget."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "And compared to last year during this time, it was 9%.",
"timestamp" : "03:06:16-03:06:20"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:06:20-03:06:27",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "So it's uh a little early to conclude definitively, but so far it's performing a bit better than anticipated."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:06:28-03:06:30",
"text" : "And I have more information on the next slide.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"text" : "But generally for the past uh six months have been positive for us in this category.",
"timestamp" : "03:06:30-03:06:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:06:37-03:06:41",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Property taxes we received uh we budgeted about 3."
},
{
"text" : "7, we've received about 700K.",
"timestamp" : "03:06:41-03:06:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:06:45-03:06:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "This is a bit of an outlier for us."
},
{
"text" : "The 700K is a late payment that was due to us from the prior year.",
"timestamp" : "03:06:47-03:06:54",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "So there is a portion of property taxes called a vehicle and loo fee.",
"timestamp" : "03:06:55-03:07:00"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Um that is uh these are fees that are there's a point of contention between",
"timestamp" : "03:07:00-03:07:04"
},
{
"text" : "Between cities and uh the state's regarding these funds.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:07:04-03:07:08"
},
{
"text" : "Uh this was owed to us last year.",
"timestamp" : "03:07:08-03:07:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:07:10-03:07:16",
"text" : "The state um was a bit late in committing to incending this payment, but it arrived",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"text" : "in in this past August.",
"timestamp" : "03:07:17-03:07:19",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:07:20-03:07:26",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Outside of this outlier, we haven't received much property taxes yet, but that is of expected."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:07:26-03:07:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "We get our the majority of our property taxes in December and in April."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Sales and use tax.",
"timestamp" : "03:07:33-03:07:34"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Uh we budgeted four point nine.",
"timestamp" : "03:07:34-03:07:36"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:07:36-03:07:39",
"text" : "We've decided received about three hundred and eighty K."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Um that does include Measure R, uh which went into effect back in April.",
"timestamp" : "03:07:40-03:07:45"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "or sales tax increase.",
"timestamp" : "03:07:45-03:07:47"
},
{
"text" : "About one twenty of that is measure our monies.",
"timestamp" : "03:07:47-03:07:50",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:07:51-03:07:55",
"text" : "Between the two, we received about eight percent of our budget.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:07:55-03:07:58",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "It's a little early to tell, but so far it's trending as"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:08:01-03:08:03",
"text" : "Other revenues, uh we budgeted about 6.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:08:04-03:08:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "4, we received about 500K."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:08:06-03:08:11",
"text" : "And this category contains everything else and a lot of different things."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "So benchmarking is not really a one-to-one thing.",
"timestamp" : "03:08:11-03:08:14"
},
{
"text" : "Um, but the reason why it's a little bit less than it was in the prior year is because of um grants.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:08:14-03:08:20"
},
{
"text" : "We no longer are getting any carriers grant, so that's kind of reflective.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:08:20-03:08:23"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:08:24-03:08:25",
"text" : "in that number.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "But overall um we can't really draw a conclusion of not if we're gonna hit these numbers, but uh we will know more at the mid-year uh point.",
"timestamp" : "03:08:25-03:08:34"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Overall, we have received uh $2.",
"timestamp" : "03:08:36-03:08:38"
},
{
"text" : "5 million in revenues or about eleven percent of budget.",
"timestamp" : "03:08:39-03:08:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:08:42-03:08:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Uh still early to tell, but uh revenues generally look promising."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:08:50-03:08:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Now for TOT specifically, uh this chart is of our revenues by month for the past six months."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "The darker teal columns is for this year and the gray columns are for the year prior.",
"timestamp" : "03:08:58-03:09:05"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:09:05-03:09:10",
"text" : "As you can see, month over month, we have been performing better than the prior year."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:09:11-03:09:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "And the past few years TOT has been was uh sliding down um but recently is starting to pick up in what appears to be moving in the right direction."
},
{
"text" : "We don't know if it will hold, but if we just do what we did last year, we could hit our budget number.",
"timestamp" : "03:09:23-03:09:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:09:34-03:09:40",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "On the expenditure side, we are looking good because expenditures are a bit more timely and regular."
},
{
"text" : "our benchmark is twenty five percent.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:09:41-03:09:43"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Um which we're underneath that we are at about nine percent of what we budgeted for.",
"timestamp" : "03:09:43-03:09:48"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:09:49-03:09:56",
"text" : "Now this finance update does include a budget amendment request for council to um for consideration"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:09:56-03:09:58",
"text" : "It is 30,000.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Uh this was a budget line item that I intended to include with the original budget adoption back in June.",
"timestamp" : "03:09:58-03:10:05"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:10:06-03:10:10",
"text" : "It was a a bit of a late revision that didn't quite make it."
},
{
"text" : "Um by doing this review and update process, I noticed the emission and just kind of wanted to uh work it back in officially into the budget.",
"timestamp" : "03:10:10-03:10:19",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Is 30K is for the planning collaborative, which is work to update the safety element",
"timestamp" : "03:10:19-03:10:25"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "With that, here is our fund balances and reserves, um, what they will look like uh June thirtieth, twenty twenty six.",
"timestamp" : "03:10:33-03:10:40"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Reserves are at $8.",
"timestamp" : "03:10:40-03:10:41"
},
{
"text" : "8 million.",
"timestamp" : "03:10:42-03:10:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "And because we ended last year better than what we expected, we're estimating about $3.",
"timestamp" : "03:10:43-03:10:48"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:10:49-03:10:52",
"text" : "2 million in unassigned funds.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"text" : "It's quite a bit, but we don't recommend assigning these funds until at least until mid-year, preferably through our actual annual budget process when we have more uh data on revenues.",
"timestamp" : "03:10:53-03:11:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"text" : "Since our reserves are underfunded, we're at thirty-six percent.",
"timestamp" : "03:11:07-03:11:11",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:11:12-03:11:13",
"text" : "Um our target is fifty.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"text" : "Um more likely than not.",
"timestamp" : "03:11:14-03:11:16",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"text" : "Um",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:11:16-03:11:16"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:11:16-03:11:25",
"text" : "Um the recommendation from staff uh at mid-year or at a budget process would just to put it back into reserves, anything unassigned",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:11:29-03:11:33",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "And then finally, our last topic is something called carry forwards."
},
{
"text" : "Um so this is a term.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:11:33-03:11:35"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:11:35-03:11:38",
"text" : "Carry forward funds are monies that roll over"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:11:39-03:11:41",
"text" : "uh y from one fiscal year to the other.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "And what happens is and this is because um we have capital projects and other multi-year projects",
"timestamp" : "03:11:42-03:11:49"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "that are that go across multiple fiscal years, but our budgets are one year at a time.",
"timestamp" : "03:11:50-03:11:56"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "So we have to roll them over or carry them forward.",
"timestamp" : "03:11:57-03:12:01"
},
{
"text" : "During the budgeting process and do the timing, we can't um this we have to estimate what's gonna roll over, but we don't know that number.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:12:02-03:12:10"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "until after the budget has been approved.",
"timestamp" : "03:12:10-03:12:12"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:12:13-03:12:22",
"text" : "So now that we have our final numbers from last year, the recommendation included into tonight is just to make those adjustments to reconcile those funds."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Just to true it up and roll over and adjust based on um what actually happened.",
"timestamp" : "03:12:22-03:12:29"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "The summary of the projects are is below.",
"timestamp" : "03:12:30-03:12:33"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "We have uh about forty-four million.",
"timestamp" : "03:12:33-03:12:36"
},
{
"text" : "Uh that's the total project budgets and we've spent uh thus far almost 20 million, leaving a remaining budget of about almost 25 million.",
"timestamp" : "03:12:36-03:12:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Um that's mostly I would say 90 percent.",
"timestamp" : "03:12:47-03:12:50"
},
{
"text" : "uh in capital projects, but we do have a handful of special initiatives or special projects.",
"timestamp" : "03:12:50-03:12:56",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:12:56-03:13:01",
"text" : "And that is included in attachment two of the in the agenda packet"
},
{
"text" : "Overall, uh I got a bit of a wordy recommendation for council.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:13:05-03:13:09"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:13:09-03:13:10",
"text" : "Uh"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Uh accept the financial report for the quarter ended on September 30th, 2025, and authorize the Administrative Services Director to make budgetary entries to",
"timestamp" : "03:13:10-03:13:21"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:13:22-03:13:35",
"text" : "To one, include a thirty thousand budget adjustment to the Community Development Department's planning collaborative, and two, incorporate previously approved carry-forward funds related to capital improvement projects."
},
{
"text" : "and other multi-year initiatives.",
"timestamp" : "03:13:36-03:13:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:13:40-03:13:46",
"text" : "With that, I'm happy to answer any questions, and that's all I have for council tonight.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24"
},
{
"text" : "Thank you for that updated report, Ken.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:13:47-03:13:50"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:13:50-03:13:50",
"text" : "Appreciate that."
},
{
"text" : "Um Council members, do you have any questions?",
"timestamp" : "03:13:51-03:13:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Start with Patrick.",
"timestamp" : "03:13:54-03:13:55",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Ken, what was what was the because I think you told us at one time when I was just starting to",
"timestamp" : "03:13:55-03:14:00",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "Starting off, what's the reserves that you like to see, or maybe Matthew told me and what are we at right now?",
"timestamp" : "03:14:00-03:14:05",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "What's the what's the average?",
"timestamp" : "03:14:06-03:14:07"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "03:14:07-03:14:09",
"text" : "There was a magic number you guys told me."
},
{
"text" : "We like to see this",
"timestamp" : "03:14:09-03:14:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:14:11-03:14:20",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "So uh there is a organization um uh called GFOA, which is a national wide organization that kind of"
},
{
"text" : "dictates best practices for uh municipalities and their number is sixteen percent um because our town uh relies heavily on to t um council",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:14:20-03:14:33"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:14:33-03:14:36",
"text" : "Council approved the policy at 50 percent."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"timestamp" : "03:14:37-03:14:39",
"text" : "And currently we're at 36 percent."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:14:40-03:14:40",
"speaker" : "Speaker 24",
"text" : "Okay."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:14:40-03:14:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "And maybe to clarify a little bit, we have two different types of reserves."
},
{
"text" : "We have our general reserves, and that's really what the 16% represents.",
"timestamp" : "03:14:45-03:14:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:14:49-03:14:55",
"text" : "In our case, we we have a policy that says 30%, and it's 30% of our annual budget.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "03:14:55-03:14:55",
"text" : "So"
},
{
"text" : "Whatever our annual budget is, 30% of that amount needs to be set aside in our operating reserves.",
"timestamp" : "03:14:56-03:15:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "03:15:03-03:15:08",
"text" : "And those are the reserves that are really there for dire emergencies."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:15:08-03:15:14",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "There's some major crisis and we just don't have money coming in and that's the only time we would spend that money."
},
{
"text" : "In 2019, the council also adopted what we call an economic uncertainty reserve at twenty percent.",
"timestamp" : "03:15:14-03:15:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Which was to smooth us through challenging times such as what we've been going through here.",
"timestamp" : "03:15:22-03:15:27"
},
{
"text" : "And that's what takes our reserves to 50%.",
"timestamp" : "03:15:27-03:15:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"text" : "So our reserve policy is significantly higher than other cities.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "03:15:30-03:15:34"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:15:34-03:15:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "But we think it's important because I think with the smaller budget and our reliance on tourism a little more volatile."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "So the goal would be to get back to that 50%.",
"timestamp" : "03:15:42-03:15:45"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "reserve amount, thirty percent fully funded for operating, twenty percent for economic uncertainty reserves.",
"timestamp" : "03:15:46-03:15:51"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "03:15:52-03:15:54",
"text" : "I think it was thirty-six or thirty-two, right?"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:15:59-03:16:09",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So amazingly, in 2019, the year before COVID, when all our TOT disappeared, we had this incredible reserve."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So I'm just saying.",
"timestamp" : "03:16:09-03:16:11"
},
{
"text" : "And now we're m and now we're getting back to fully funding it so quite the accomplishment, especially compared to a lot of other cities in the county.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:16:12-03:16:21"
},
{
"text" : "So thanks.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:16:21-03:16:22"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thanks for the question.",
"timestamp" : "03:16:23-03:16:24"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Paul, did you have any questions?",
"timestamp" : "03:16:25-03:16:29"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Did you have any questions?",
"timestamp" : "03:16:29-03:16:31"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:16:32-03:16:33",
"text" : "Someone like I can make the motion."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:16:33-03:16:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Someone like to make the motion."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "It's not and and just to confirm we don't have any public comments, both in person or online.",
"timestamp" : "03:16:38-03:16:44"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Public session, public comments open.",
"timestamp" : "03:16:46-03:16:49"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:16:49-03:16:52",
"text" : "None online, none in the room."
},
{
"text" : "Thank you.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:16:53-03:16:54"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Public comments closed.",
"timestamp" : "03:16:54-03:16:55"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:16:55-03:16:55",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Sorry."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:16:56-03:16:56",
"text" : "Thank you."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"text" : "Okay, I move that we accept the financial report.",
"timestamp" : "03:16:56-03:16:59"
},
{
"text" : "for the quarter ended on September thirtieth, twenty twenty-five, and authorized the Administrative Services Director to make budgetary entries to",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "03:16:59-03:17:07"
},
{
"text" : "One, include a thirty thousand dollar budget adjustment for the Community Development Department's Planning Collaborative, and two, incorporate previously approved carry-forward funds related to capital improvement projects and other multi-year initiatives.",
"timestamp" : "03:17:08-03:17:22",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"text" : "Councilmember Johnson?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"timestamp" : "03:17:32-03:17:33"
},
{
"text" : "Yes.",
"timestamp" : "03:17:33-03:17:33",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:17:34-03:17:35",
"text" : "Councilmember Nagangas?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"text" : "Yes.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:17:35-03:17:36"
},
{
"text" : "Councilmember Penrose?",
"timestamp" : "03:17:36-03:17:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:17:37-03:17:38",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Yes."
},
{
"text" : "Vice Mayor Reddick?",
"timestamp" : "03:17:38-03:17:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:17:39-03:17:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Yes."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Mayor Brownstone?",
"timestamp" : "03:17:40-03:17:41"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:17:41-03:17:41",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Yes."
},
{
"text" : "Motion",
"timestamp" : "03:17:42-03:17:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "03:17:43-03:17:43",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:17:44-03:17:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "We'll now move on to item 10B, the minimum wage agreement with the County of San Mateo."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Have a quick staff report.",
"timestamp" : "03:17:49-03:17:51"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "Good evening, Mayor, Council.",
"timestamp" : "03:18:13-03:18:16"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "Um Irma Acosta, City Manager's Office.",
"timestamp" : "03:18:17-03:18:20"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "And I am here tonight.",
"timestamp" : "03:18:21-03:18:23"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "I will be presenting the staff report on the",
"timestamp" : "03:18:23-03:18:26"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "um minimum wage agreement between the city of Hafoon Bay and the County of San Mateo.",
"timestamp" : "03:18:26-03:18:32"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"timestamp" : "03:18:33-03:18:39",
"text" : "My presentation will outline the background of our local minimum wage ordinance."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "the role of the county's Office of Labor Standards and Enforcement and the benefits of the partnership.",
"timestamp" : "03:18:39-03:18:46"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "So I'll just begin by providing a little bit of background.",
"timestamp" : "03:18:52-03:18:55"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:18:56-03:19:02",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "Um on February 4th, 2020, uh Council adopted the minimum wage ordinance."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "That set the local minimum wage of fifteen dollars per hour.",
"timestamp" : "03:19:02-03:19:06"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:19:07-03:19:13",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "Since then, um the wage has increased annually based on the consumer price index for the"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"timestamp" : "03:19:13-03:19:16",
"text" : "San Francisco, Oakland, and San Jose region."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:19:18-03:19:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "And as of January 1st, 2025, the wage is currently $17."
},
{
"text" : "47 per hour.",
"timestamp" : "03:19:25-03:19:27",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"text" : "Um and it applies to all businesses operating within city limits.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"timestamp" : "03:19:28-03:19:32"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:19:33-03:19:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "Uh over the past few years"
},
{
"text" : "The city has received several reports of wage theft and underpayment claims.",
"timestamp" : "03:19:36-03:19:42",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"text" : "We have been lucky to be able to work with the district's attorney's office on these cases.",
"timestamp" : "03:19:42-03:19:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "Um, but the cases also highlighted the need for a more structured um and consistent process for investigating and resolving these complaints.",
"timestamp" : "03:19:47-03:19:58"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:20:02-03:20:09",
"text" : "Um in twenty twenty-five the County of San Mateo established the Office of Labor Standards and Enforcement.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "also referred as OLSE, and their mission is to implement and enforce the county's own minimum wage ordinance.",
"timestamp" : "03:20:10-03:20:20"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:20:20-03:20:27",
"text" : "as well as provide education, outreach, and investigative services related to local labor standards,",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"text" : "Um they the county currently partners with several cities across San Mateo County, including Belmont, Burlingame, Foster City, Menlo Park, Redwood City, and San Mateo.",
"timestamp" : "03:20:28-03:20:41",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:20:46-03:20:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "The proposed agreement would formally establish a partnership between the city and the county of San Mateo."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"timestamp" : "03:20:54-03:21:03",
"text" : "Under the agreement, the county will receive and investigate complaints of possible violations of the city's minimum wage ordinance."
},
{
"text" : "And when appropriate, they will issue formal findings and a notice of violation to the employer",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"timestamp" : "03:21:04-03:21:11"
},
{
"text" : "Um, if the employer fails to comply after receiving the notice, the case will be referred back to the city for enforcement.",
"timestamp" : "03:21:11-03:21:19",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:21:20-03:21:33",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "They will also provide biannual reports summarizing complaint activity, investigated outcomes, and enforcement trends, and will be meet regularly with city staff to ensure coordination."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "The initial term of the agreement runs from December 1, 2025, through June 30, 2026.",
"timestamp" : "03:21:35-03:21:42"
},
{
"text" : "at an cost of $5,833.",
"timestamp" : "03:21:43-03:21:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:21:49-03:21:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "And if the agreement is renewed, it would continue on an annual basis of $10,000 per year."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:21:57-03:22:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "Um adjusted annually annually by the consumer price index for wage earners."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"text" : "So partnering with the county offers several benefits to the city.",
"timestamp" : "03:22:06-03:22:11"
},
{
"text" : "One, it will provide faster and more consistent investigation of wage claims.",
"timestamp" : "03:22:11-03:22:17",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"text" : "Second, it'll give the city access to expertise in labor standards and enforcement.",
"timestamp" : "03:22:18-03:22:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"text" : "And it'll also reduce the administrative burden on city staff.",
"timestamp" : "03:22:25-03:22:29",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:22:31-03:22:36",
"text" : "Since we don't have a lot of the resources in-house to be able to investigate these claims.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"text" : "And that is essentially my presentation.",
"timestamp" : "03:22:38-03:22:41",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"timestamp" : "03:22:42-03:22:44",
"text" : "I am happy to answer any questions."
},
{
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "03:22:47-03:22:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Um any clarifying questions?",
"timestamp" : "03:22:48-03:22:50",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "No clarifying questions.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:22:55-03:22:57"
},
{
"text" : "I'd like to open it up for public comment.",
"timestamp" : "03:22:57-03:22:59",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Any public comments?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:23:00-03:23:02"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "None in the room, none online.",
"timestamp" : "03:23:02-03:23:04"
},
{
"text" : "Closing our public comments.",
"timestamp" : "03:23:05-03:23:08",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:23:09-03:23:11",
"text" : "Would someone like to make a motion?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Can you bring the recommendation up on this please?",
"timestamp" : "03:23:17-03:23:19"
},
{
"text" : "Um it should be on there, yeah.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8",
"timestamp" : "03:23:20-03:23:22"
},
{
"text" : "Oh okay.",
"timestamp" : "03:23:22-03:23:23",
"speaker" : "Speaker 8"
},
{
"text" : "No, I just want to say that I think this is great.",
"timestamp" : "03:23:25-03:23:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "03:23:28-03:23:35",
"text" : "Anything that will take the load off of staff to investigate things that are very difficult to investigate."
},
{
"text" : "is a great idea.",
"timestamp" : "03:23:35-03:23:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"text" : "So it looks like it's a win-win.",
"timestamp" : "03:23:37-03:23:39",
"speaker" : "Speaker 9"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 9",
"timestamp" : "03:23:39-03:23:40",
"text" : "Yeah."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "I move that we authorize the city manager to execute an agreement with the county of San Mateo.",
"timestamp" : "03:23:41-03:23:46"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "For investigative services related to enforcement of the city's minimum wage ordinance through the County of San Mateo Office of Labor Standards and Enforcement.",
"timestamp" : "03:23:46-03:23:54"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:23:55-03:23:55",
"text" : "Second.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "We'll do a roll call just for the heck of it.",
"timestamp" : "03:23:58-03:24:00"
},
{
"text" : "Councilmember Johnson?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"timestamp" : "03:24:01-03:24:02"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Yes.",
"timestamp" : "03:24:02-03:24:02"
},
{
"text" : "Councilmember Nagengas?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"timestamp" : "03:24:03-03:24:04"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:24:04-03:24:05",
"text" : "Yes.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"timestamp" : "03:24:05-03:24:06",
"text" : "Councilmember Penrose?"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:24:07-03:24:07",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Yes."
},
{
"text" : "Vice Mayor Ruddick?",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"timestamp" : "03:24:07-03:24:08"
},
{
"text" : "Yes.",
"timestamp" : "03:24:08-03:24:08",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Mayor Brownstone?",
"timestamp" : "03:24:09-03:24:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 3"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:24:10-03:24:10",
"text" : "Yes.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 3",
"text" : "Motion carries.",
"timestamp" : "03:24:10-03:24:11"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:24:12-03:24:12",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:24:13-03:24:16",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Uh moving on to commission committee updates."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:24:17-03:24:19",
"text" : "We we don't have any updates tonight."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "So the only thing I'll share is",
"timestamp" : "03:24:19-03:24:20"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:24:21-03:24:29",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Um our recreation commission meetings are normally the fourth um Tuesday of each month, or Thursday of each Wednesday of each month, sorry."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:24:29-03:24:39",
"text" : "And as typical from past years because of the holiday, both Thanksgiving and Christmas fall right around that time.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:24:39-03:24:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "We cancel those two meetings each year and do a single meeting in mid-December."
},
{
"text" : "So the next meeting won't be until mid-December for the Recreation Commission in case anybody's looking for that.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "03:24:44-03:24:49"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:24:50-03:24:52",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Great, thank you."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:24:52-03:25:00",
"text" : "Um let's see for future discussion, just a reminder from last time we're gonna"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:25:00-03:25:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "look into uh health insurance I believe, right?"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "So I just want to remind you staff's already initiated that work and we'll bring something back in December.",
"timestamp" : "03:25:03-03:25:07"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Great.",
"timestamp" : "03:25:08-03:25:09"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:25:09-03:25:11",
"text" : "Um any other"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Yeah.",
"timestamp" : "03:25:12-03:25:13"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:25:13-03:25:21",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "It would would be great if sometime soon we could have a just an update on the the planning around Carter Park."
},
{
"text" : "and fundraising and um the process and all that stuff.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"timestamp" : "03:25:21-03:25:25"
},
{
"text" : "Sure.",
"timestamp" : "03:25:25-03:25:26",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "03:25:26-03:25:27",
"text" : "Happy to bring that forward."
},
{
"text" : "Wait trying seconds.",
"timestamp" : "03:25:29-03:25:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "To the mayor.",
"timestamp" : "03:25:30-03:25:31"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:25:33-03:25:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Maybe that could just be a city manager update rather than an agenda item."
},
{
"text" : "Yeah.",
"timestamp" : "03:25:37-03:25:37",
"speaker" : "Speaker 15"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 15",
"text" : "Okay.",
"timestamp" : "03:25:38-03:25:38"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "03:25:39-03:25:39"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Uh any city council reports?",
"timestamp" : "03:25:39-03:25:41"
},
{
"text" : "Yeah, please.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:25:42-03:25:43"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "So I um and I'm not sure if that project started.",
"timestamp" : "03:25:44-03:25:48"
},
{
"text" : "Remember in 2024, Caltrans came to the Planning Commission and to the city, and",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "03:25:48-03:25:54"
},
{
"text" : "Well, the council and s and it was a thirty three million dollar project.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "03:25:55-03:26:00"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "03:26:00-03:26:06",
"text" : "And one of their statements why they couldn't do work that we wanted because they couldn't go to the C D C well we're not gonna fund this."
},
{
"text" : "The CTC's California Transportation Commission does the funding.",
"timestamp" : "03:26:06-03:26:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:26:10-03:26:18",
"text" : "So this project now is a forty-seven million dollar project, so apparently they got fourteen more million more dollars.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"text" : "So that, you know, when somebody tells you that you have to, you know",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "03:26:18-03:26:22"
},
{
"text" : "Dive deeper in there because the reason why I know this because I was following this and I actually remember I appealed this to the Coastal Commission.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "03:26:22-03:26:29"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "So the project was supposed to start this week.",
"timestamp" : "03:26:29-03:26:33"
},
{
"text" : "I'm not sure if it did.",
"timestamp" : "03:26:33-03:26:34",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"text" : "because I know there's some issues they the Coastal Commission required them to have parking spaces because it was happening up in you know the north end of the town",
"timestamp" : "03:26:35-03:26:44",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"text" : "and they were moving parking off near Surfer's Beach.",
"timestamp" : "03:26:44-03:26:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:26:48-03:26:49",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "And there was a meeting."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:26:50-03:26:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "I didn't attend that recently with the county Caltrans, maybe even uh Becker's office."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "showed up.",
"timestamp" : "03:26:57-03:26:57"
},
{
"text" : "But they're trying to j figure out parking in a up there, Burnham Strip or not.",
"timestamp" : "03:26:57-03:27:02",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"timestamp" : "03:27:02-03:27:04",
"text" : "And I don't know the outcome of that."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:27:04-03:27:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "But I think that maybe I don't know if that's why the project maybe hasn't started yet, but it was supposed to start"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "this week.",
"timestamp" : "03:27:10-03:27:10"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "But I do want to acknowledge Caltrans is paving Highway 92, which definitely really needed it.",
"timestamp" : "03:27:10-03:27:17"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:27:17-03:27:24",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14",
"text" : "I don't know those of you if you have to travel it, there was some serious rutting in that asphalt and they've been doing some paving there."
},
{
"text" : "So but again, it's a forty seven million dollar project and they said though this project will go away if we have to act we we if we have to ask for more money to do some work that we were asked.",
"timestamp" : "03:27:24-03:27:35",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"text" : "So",
"timestamp" : "03:27:35-03:27:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 14"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "It would be nice to have another meeting with a Caltrans representative again at some point we mention that, right?",
"timestamp" : "03:27:41-03:27:46"
},
{
"text" : "Just to see what's really going on.",
"timestamp" : "03:27:46-03:27:48",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:27:49-03:27:52",
"text" : "So um yeah."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Thank you.",
"timestamp" : "03:27:53-03:27:54"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Any other city council reports?",
"timestamp" : "03:27:54-03:27:56"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Yeah.",
"timestamp" : "03:28:00-03:28:00"
},
{
"text" : "Any other city council reports?",
"timestamp" : "03:28:01-03:28:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:28:03-03:28:06",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Um to the mayor, I think it's just something that I want to bring up."
},
{
"text" : "Um I got a phone call from Julie Shankman uh who's",
"timestamp" : "03:28:06-03:28:10",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Very active in the big wave.",
"timestamp" : "03:28:11-03:28:12"
},
{
"text" : "I'm sure you guys know about that.",
"timestamp" : "03:28:12-03:28:14",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:28:14-03:28:20",
"text" : "And she really expressed to me that she would really like for us as the council to go to one of the events and",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:28:20-03:28:31",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "just becoming more involved because we are they are part of our at you know it's half moon bay and they are gonna supply uh we're gonna offer a hundred jobs is what she's saying and she'd want us"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "03:28:31-03:28:34",
"text" : "to actually look at the facility and tour the facility."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "So I told her to be more active and let us know when it comes around so that we can because I've been going but that's because I've been going.",
"timestamp" : "03:28:34-03:28:41"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Um and I told her I haven't really seen anything on my agenda.",
"timestamp" : "03:28:41-03:28:44"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "So I want she's gonna bring that forward.",
"timestamp" : "03:28:44-03:28:46"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:28:46-03:28:51",
"text" : "So she'd really like us to go as a group and when they have a grand opening that's gonna be coming.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:28:51-03:28:57",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "The other thing I want to point out is there's a um Kirk Ramer and Dave Shore have been pushing hard on a pool."
},
{
"text" : "at the high school and I think they got a bond and Matthew can give more details.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "03:28:57-03:29:00"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "I did I don't have my papers 'cause it's in seven hundred of other the papers I lost it.",
"timestamp" : "03:29:00-03:29:05"
},
{
"text" : "But they are proposing, if I'm not mistaken, Matthew, you can correct me, I was thirteen million to redo the old pools and twenty-nine to rebuild new pools, and they were pushing more towards the rebuild.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "03:29:05-03:29:16"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "And they got what thirteen million in a bond or something like that.",
"timestamp" : "03:29:16-03:29:20"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:29:20-03:29:24",
"text" : "So they want to work with us, but they're not asking for money.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"text" : "They want us to support the pool and see if the if",
"timestamp" : "03:29:24-03:29:28",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "If council and the city could help in any way.",
"timestamp" : "03:29:28-03:29:31"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:29:31-03:29:34",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "So the the that's one thing that they're moving forward."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:29:36-03:29:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "I can update you on that."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "We're actually meeting with them on the thirteenth.",
"timestamp" : "03:29:37-03:29:39"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:29:39-03:29:40",
"text" : "So um",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Just to get all the facts and details and about where we may or may not be able to um help them.",
"timestamp" : "03:29:41-03:29:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:29:47-03:29:51",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "And by the way, if Julie Schenckman would like to come to one of our meetings, you know, and just"
},
{
"text" : "Going on a tour sounds great, so let us know.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"timestamp" : "03:29:59-03:30:01"
},
{
"text" : "And then also what I brought forward when Dave Shore talked to me over the weekend, I they weren't thinking about disabled kids and using the pool, so I brought that forward to them so they're gonna now",
"timestamp" : "03:30:01-03:30:11",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "03:30:11-03:30:15",
"text" : "Now incorporate that and then they want to incorporate big wave."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "03:30:15-03:30:16",
"text" : "That was the other thing."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"timestamp" : "03:30:16-03:30:19",
"text" : "I kind of put that in his pocket and he didn't even think about that."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "So now he's talking with Julie Shankman now and how they can work together with Big Wave.",
"timestamp" : "03:30:19-03:30:23"
},
{
"text" : "Great, thank you.",
"timestamp" : "03:30:28-03:30:30",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:30:30-03:30:36",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "So I think I think what we need is a little bit of direction too, if we could put that on the agenda for discussion."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Is that what we're talking about?",
"timestamp" : "03:30:36-03:30:37"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:30:38-03:30:40",
"speaker" : "Speaker 4",
"text" : "Matthew, because I know J Dave's been talking to you."
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:30:47-03:30:47",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "Um"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:30:48-03:30:53",
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"text" : "And so that I think for us to bring that forward, we would need to agendize that for a future meeting."
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 6",
"timestamp" : "03:30:53-03:30:59",
"text" : "Um but I think as the mayor shared, we've got a meeting with them next week and we can get some clarity on that"
},
{
"text" : "Yeah, we'll talk about it more on the 13th and have an idea of what the ask really is.",
"timestamp" : "03:30:59-03:31:03",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "So great.",
"timestamp" : "03:31:03-03:31:05"
},
{
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "Okay, well, thanks everybody, members of the public.",
"timestamp" : "03:31:06-03:31:10"
},
{
"text" : "For participating.",
"timestamp" : "03:31:11-03:31:12",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:31:12-03:31:14",
"text" : "Thank you for staff.",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"text" : "Thank you to fellow council members.",
"timestamp" : "03:31:14-03:31:16",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
},
{
"timestamp" : "03:31:16-03:31:17",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1",
"text" : "This meeting is now adjourned."
},
{
"text" : "Have a good evening.",
"timestamp" : "03:31:17-03:31:18",
"speaker" : "Speaker 1"
}
]
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