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| <div class="md"><p>My brother once worked at a golf course in a suburb north of Indy. One day Peyton Manning comes in and my brother starts jumping up and down to try and get his attention because Manning was thinking of just taking a cart out. Instead he takes my brother, gives him a nice tip and everything. Then one year later at a buffet at the club house Manning shows up again and as he passes my brother he goes "Hey Pat".</p> | |
| <p>Good Guy Manning Hires a random caddy at golf course one day. Still remembers his name one year later.</p> | |
| <p>And people wonder how he can read defenses so well.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Spoiler: Pat was wearing his name tag</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Directed by M Night Shamalan.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>probably stuck in his mind cause its short for Patriots, his fucking mortal enemies</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's pretty generous for an unemployed guy</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No doubt a bar tab.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I went right for that idea too.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>But it begs the question, how does one eat $739.58 worth of ramen?</p> | |
| <p>edit: all these replies <em>raise the issue</em> of my slipshod grammar. Point taken. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>With a fork.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot">http://instantrimshot.com/classic/?sound=rimshot</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Every time I see this I think it's Instant Rim Job, and I'm disappointed when I click on it. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/428/%E0%B2%A0_%E0%B2%A0.jpg?1246548281">Here you go</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm tired of that fucking face. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>took so long to upvote all those fuckin things</p> | |
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| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>\xE0\xB2\xA0_\xE0\xB2\xA0</p>\n\ | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
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| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>\xE0\xB2\xA0_\xE0\xB2\xA0</p>\n\ | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This one is my favorite.</p> | |
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| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>\xE0\xB2\xA0_\xE0\xB2\xA0</p>\n\ | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
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| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>\xE0\xB2\xA0_\xE0\xB2\xA0</p>\n\ | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I met Peyton Manning at a restaurant once and <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B003ZIYRQW/colts-2010-peyton-manning-player-coin-20/">he gave me this coin</a> - we'd accidentally been given his table. Apparently he was fond of the restaurant and had a specific table he liked, and the management had messed up and gotten their days wrong, (it was Tuesday and they thought he was coming on Thursday or something like that).</p> | |
| <p>Anyway, the manager, completely embarrassed (this is a pretty nice restaurant) comes by and says "I'm so sorry, but we'd like to move you to another table if you could be troubled, and we'll gladly compensate you for the cost of the meal and any other meal you'd like while you're in town." My wife and cousin were both like "Yeah that's cool." and I kind of played the asshole a bit.</p> | |
| <p>"I'm sorry, I just don't understand. We've been here for 15 minutes - we've just ordered. Can't we finish our meal here?"</p> | |
| <p>Then out of nowhere Peyton Manning (he's insanely tall, by the way, at least like 6'5" or so) shows up next to the manager and says "Paul, these guys can finish. We'll be at the bar. I got some time."</p> | |
| <p>And I (being a big Peyton Manning fan) said "Oh wow, uh... I had no idea. Please feel free to give them the table."</p> | |
| <p>Peyton Manning was grateful, shook my hand and said thanks, then gave me a card with his number on it and told me to give him a call later. After working up the nerve, I gave him a call that night, and to make a long story short, we had a glorious 11 month love affair, man on man, that I shall never forget. Our bodies intertwined as one, and from the beauty of Morocco, to the French Riviera, to the snorkeling in the Galopagos, Peyton Manning and I made glorious gay love to each other on six of the seven continents.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Pfft. I call bullshit. Everyone knows Peyton Manning doesn't snorkel.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>no NFL players are allowed to snorkel or scuba while they are under contract, its a 'dangerous activity' and is outlawed in the new CBA</p> | |
| <p>edit: it was in the old CBA also - just enforced through the team discretion clause</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>wait, seriously? </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>no</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>SPACE_LAWYERED</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I clearly do not understand the complexities of space law. Good thing I have a firm grasp of bird law. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Bird law is not governed by reason</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>IANASL, but this man may be chronically disingenuous.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Snorkeling is a euphemism.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>10/10 would fap again.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm on my 3rd go, you need to catch up.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They meant that they've gone 10 for 10. Looks like <em>you</em> need to catch up.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So, did you steal this from <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/qltp1/breaking_peyton_manning_news_hes_a_great_tipper/c3ymfnv">the thread in /r/nfl</a> or are you the same person?</p> | |
| <p>Edit: This is copypasta, call off the hounds.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wow, that was pretty shameless. Its one thing to repost a picture or something, but nabbing someones comment is just sad. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Was really expecting "GraduallyGay" to be your novelty name on this one. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sorry, I just tagged you with "tagged by peyton manning."</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think we are all wondering is Peyton a top or bottom?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Power bottom all the way.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's a hard one to figure out. We all know he loves tight ends.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He's going to make bank and he knows it. Still fucking awesome.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He's already made 120 million dollars in his career.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That is football salary alone. If you've ever been to Indy, you'll see he has a much more lucrative advertising career.</p> | |
| <p>He'll continue playing because he wants to play, not because he needs the money.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>If you've ever <em>watched TV</em>, you'll see he has a much more lucrative advertising career.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>FTFY</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Just in contracts. Don't forget about apparel sales, commercials and promos. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>CUT THAT MEAT</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I would appreciate a big honking red stamp that clarifies surcharges like that on my tab.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And then Peyton was all, fuck you stamp, I do what I want.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>AND HE THREW IT ON THE GROUND</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I WON'T BE A PART OF YOUR SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'M AN ADUUUUUUUUULT!!!!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>MANNNN.....INGGGG</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ryan Reynolds and Elijah Wood could learn a thing or two from Peyton.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><h3>You supersized your meal for a 25 cent surcharge</h3> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Good Guy Restaurant - Includes GIANT RED WARNING that you have already TIPPED your SEVER.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He may be a good tipper, but let's face it he <a href="http://www.hulu.com/watch/1603/saturday-night-live-snl-digital-short-united-way">sucks</a> with kids.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That was the day I realized Peyton Manning is hilarious and should try to be a comedian after he retires (unless he becomes a coach). Basically, Peyton Manning > You.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>thank you! Living outside of the US I'd never seen that before</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That was fucking hilarious. Mr. Manning is the man.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What did he get that made the bill over 700 dollars?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Dinner for 5 NFL offensive linemen.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Dinner for 5 Alaskan Brown Bears</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>FTFY</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Same thing?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Dinner for John Madden</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>ftfy</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I guess Peyton walks around with an 18% Gratuity stamp all day</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>18%....how appropriate</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This apparently comes from Angus Barn in Raleigh, NC with some (now, former) teammates after dinner last week.</p> | |
| <p>His $200 on top of the 18% gratuity makes it about a 52% total tip (~$307). He's definitely a classy guy.</p> | |
| <p>Edit: Here is the <a href="http://i.imgur.com/JzET9.png">original receipt</a>.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm from Raleigh, NC and it is in the local paper that the server was fired after posting this on twitter :'( </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As he should have been.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I have no experience in the food service industry, so I cant argue the ethics of this, but I naturally need to ask...why?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Where Peyton Manning chooses to dine and how he spends his money (especially in a private setting) should be his business. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, you're right. Thanks.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not to mention it's just plain unprofessional to post a credit card receipt that's not yours on the internet. Yeah it may only say Mastercard and have the last four digits on it but it's still something that I wouldn't appreciate if it was done to me. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If the personal info had been blurred out and the server posted something like, "holy shit, I had a great day," he would probably still have a job.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>According to the article linked a few comments down, the restaurant has a strict policy against this sort of thing.</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>The Angus Barn has a long tradition of serving celebrities major and minor, and it's a strict policy of the restaurant that their private dining experiences stay private.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The receipt he posted contains personal information including the time, date, bill, tip amount and last 4 digits of Peyton Manning's credit card number. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Guess which restaurant in Raleigh Peyton Manning, and other celebrities, are never going to patronize again? </p> | |
| <p>That's right, the one that puts their personal receipt on the Internet after they dine there. No restaurant owner wants their employees doing that.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You don't have to be in the food service industry to figure the ethics of this.</p> | |
| <p>It's unprofessional and if I ran that restaurant, I would fire the person as well.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Peyton Manning tipped that guy ~50% for him to turn around and plaster it all over the internet, invading his privacy and invading the privacy of all customers of that restaurant. Sounds like a pretty raw deal to me. I would have fired him without thinking twice.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Invasion of privacy? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Mostly, yea. | |
| It doesn't really contain any information that could lead to identity theft, Peyton is a pretty famous guy, this doesn't portray him a bad light at all, and he's probably somewhat used to people collecting things that have to do with him. From a strictly financial and public relations perspective this isn't a very big deal.</p> | |
| <p>However, it does make the restaurant look bad. Posting receipts showing a famous person spending a good chunk of money is kind of tacky, so I don't really have a problem with him being fired. It was a stupid move on the waiters part.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I have no experience in the food service industry, but it seems obvious to me that you shouldn't post things on the internet about your customers without their consent.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.bizjournals.com/triangle/blog/2012/03/peyton-leaves-whopper-tip-at-angus-barn.html">the link if you are interested</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I have no problem with this.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, I can see that. When you go somewhere you don't expect the transactions to be made public. </p> | |
| <p>It feels a little weird because the person was trying to say how nice Peyton was being, but what if it were the opposite? What if he left a crummy tip and you do the same thing?</p> | |
| <p>Easiest policy is "don't do that."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is funny because just a couple months ago some idiot was running his mouth about how big of an asshole Peyton was and how his family didn't tip or something. You really can't believe hearsay, 99% of the time it's bullshit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I work in Oxford, Mississippi (where Eli lives) at a restaurant he frequents. The servers fight like mad dogs to get to serve him. He tips VERY well.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>archie teaches his boys well</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Helps that he also taught them football quarterbacking so that they can afford to tip that well.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I agree with anal penetration. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I live in Indianapolis, we were just at lunch when they had the press meeting on this afternoon going over his situation and the future of the Colts.</p> | |
| <p>It was crowded in the restaurant, and loud, but this one guy walked across the room and turned up the television loud as can be. The sound of Peyton's voice, almost crying, shut everyone up in the restaurant all at once and everyone stopped eating and just watched silently as he finished. I don't think I'll ever forget this afternoon, it was almost like everyone had just heard JFK was shot. People bowing their heads, some crying with him, some shaking in disbelief....</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't live in Indi, I'm not even a Colts fan, but hearing him tear up made me tear up. :( He loved that organization and his fans so much. My heart really goes out to the guy. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He tips about the same amount that I make in a week.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>But hey, if you start making 200 more you can live in a mansion and get a Ferrari.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You forgot the Xboxes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm sad that I actually got that</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm a recent graduate of the University of Tennessee. I saw Peyton five different times out in public. Every time I saw him out he was acting like a regular guy, talking to college students, shaking hands, joking around. Around these parts, Peyton is larger than life, and he acts so humble about everything. To see Peyton hanging out on the strip was one of my best memories of my time at UT. | |
| (The road by campus is called "the strip" basically fast food, a couple restaurants, and bars)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I hope and pray that Mannings future (after a couple more years of quaterbackin) is with the Volunteers. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That would be fun to see, but I really think he belongs at the NFL level.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I love Vols alums and you have the most relevant football reference for a name in this entire thread.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I sat at the table next to him in OCI two years ago and he talked with every single person that came up to him. He's a real class act.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>this is the kinda stuff peyton does that people like him for. yes he throws touchdowns, wins fantasy leagues, but hes a normal person and just does the right thing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Also commercials that don't suck. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That guy's pretty good. (If you like... 6'5 230lb quarterbacks... laser-rocket arm...)</p> | |
| <p>Maybe like Peyton Manning maybe</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>can you sign this my little brother loves you.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Also doesn't rape drunk girls (I'm looking at you Big Ben)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Also funny SNL skits where he makes fun of kids and throws spirals right at their melon. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Good guy Peyton for doing this.</p> | |
| <p>Bad guy Jon (Server) for taking the picture and putting it on the internet.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Was I the only one who thought the joke was that Peyton Manning takes a stamp with him to every restaurant, that says 18 percent gratuity included because he's number 18. I pictured the waiter handing him the check, "BOOM, PEYTON'S 18 PERCENT GRATUITY IN YOUR FACE. YOUR ASS JUST GOT PEYTON'D."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My buddy worked at a club where <a href="http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/2144/john-abraham">Rob Abraham</a> was having a birthday party for one of his friends/family. My friend let them stay a while longer than they were open and when he got the bill he added $500 onto the $500 that was already on the bill as added gratuity. </p> | |
| <p>Always love seeing things like this. People with lots of money giving what is insignificant to them but means a lot to working class folks.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>and private prisons are getting rich too and know they are "at risk" for legalization: | |
| "For example, any changes with respect to the decriminalization of drugs and controlled substances could affect the number of persons arrested, convicted, sentenced and incarcerated, thereby potentially reducing demand for correctional facilities to house them."</p> | |
| <p>In their 10-K: <a href="http://www.gurufocus.com/StockLink.php?type=sec&symbol=GEO&date=2012-02-29&report=10-K">http://www.gurufocus.com/StockLink.php?type=sec&symbol=GEO&date=2012-02-29&report=10-K</a></p> | |
| <p>scroll down to page 34</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What the actual fuck. Seriously.. seriously, this is fucking sick. Absofuckinglutely sick.</p> | |
| <p><em>In particular, the demand for our correctional and detention facilities and services, electronic monitoring services, community-based re-entry services and monitoring and supervision services could be adversely affected by changes in existing criminal or immigration laws, crime rates in jurisdictions in which we operate, the relaxation of criminal or immigration enforcement efforts, leniency in conviction, sentencing or deportation practices, and the decriminalization of certain activities that are currently proscribed by criminal laws or the loosening of immigration laws.</em> <em><strong>For example, any changes with respect to the decriminalization of drugs and controlled substances could affect the number of persons arrested, convicted, sentenced and incarcerated, thereby potentially reducing demand for correctional facilities to house them.</strong></em></p> | |
| <p>Oh, and reducing demand for correctional facilities is so bad <strong>why</strong>? THIS is what happens when the primary motivating factor of incarceration is PROFIT, not rehabilitation. I'm not usually emotional, but my stomach is turning fast enough to power a subdivision.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEO_Group">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEO_Group</a></p> | |
| <p>These are the special interests responsible, and yes, not only do they "disclose" their risks, but they've actually lobbied in favor of harsher stances on immigration and nonviolent drug offenses.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>if you think that is f-ing sick:\n\ | |
| <a href=\"http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/8576-pennsylvania-judge-jailed-for-28-years-in-kids-for-cash-scheme\">http://thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/8576-pennsylvania-judge-jailed-for-28-years-in-kids-for-cash-scheme</a></p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>The federal charges stemmed from Ciavarella\xE2\x80\x99s involvement in a criminal plot to fill up privately owned juvenile-detention facilities. According to prosecutors, he was handing out wildly inappropriate sentences to first-time offenders and even children as young as 10.</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, I do remember that. Privatization of facilities dealing in human misery: this is the logical conclusion.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You're absolutely right. You don't hear Americans demanding the privatization of fire protection services or police services, because they can count on kicking out politicians who do a lousy job of ensuring these services work well.</p> | |
| <p>Why not just do the same with healthcare? Here in Canada, I know if healthcare starts to suck, whoever is in office is going to be kicked out quickly in the next election - if not sooner. There can indeed be competition even with government-provided services.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>privatization of fire protection services or police services</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p><strong>For example, any changes with respect to the effectiveness of smoke detectors could affect the number of homes burned, singed, charred and incinerated, thereby potentially reducing demand for fire protection personnel to douse them.</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>coming from someone in europe i must say that canada seems just like the US, but a lot fucking better</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Alcohol is a lot more expensive there. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Canada is a lot like the northern US. They're missing the South, so of course they're better governed.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The want for privatization of fire departments is actually growing in smaller areas. </p> | |
| <p>There is a growing rate of counties in states that only have volunteer fire departments because there just isn't enough money to keep the departments going. My county recently made this switch. Instead of 1 big tax funded fire department, we have 6 volunteer departments for each district.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There are drives to privatize or at least make fire protection fee based because the area doesn't bring in enough tax money to fund the fire department. Poor people always get fucked by our system.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Poor people always get fucked by our system.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>No, they vote <em>for</em> the program...and then <em>against</em> funding. Communities do it to themselves.</p> | |
| <p>Anecdote from 2 years ago: The fire department in town here had to replace its large fire engine--it was due for over 15 years at this point and the thing was metaphorically more duct tape than metal. I was in the local McDonald's and overheard some old curmudgeons talking to one another about the matter. I shit you not, here is a direct quote, "I don't know what they need a fire truck for, they just use them in parades." I wanted to fucking slap him.</p> | |
| <p>The kicker? The referendum failed. The fire department <em>had</em> to replace the truck so they took a loan from the state to do it. Best part of it is that it will cost the town <em>more</em> in taxes overall to pay off the loan than it would have been to just buy the fucking truck through the referendum.</p> | |
| <p>It still baffles me how my home town, despite having the same population but easily half (or even less) the income, manages to keep its streets plowed yet this town makes a point of <em>not</em> plowing until a given snowfall is 100% complete--they don't care if there's 2 feet of snow on the road, they <strong>wait</strong> (and if you think I'm joking or exaggerating...I am not).</p> | |
| <hr/> | |
| <p>Motherfucking political rhetoric in this country has demonized taxation and so-called "government waste" to the point of absurdity.</p> | |
| <p>Initial response: "WE WANT THIS PROGRAM, IT'S A SIGNIFICANT BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY!"</p> | |
| <p>Response following referendum: "PAY $30/year IN TAXES TO PAY FOR IT? YOU MUST BE NUTS! TAXES!! <strong>TAXES?!</strong> BEHEAD THE MONSTER!"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>fuck socialism! anyone that's poor is obviously too lazy and doesn't deserve healthcare/food/protection via police(or FROM police, take your pick)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And if we don't make their lives miserable how will they ever have the desire to lift themselves above their means. I mean, I know I would want to live my entire life on government assistance, that lifestyle is so stable and glamorous.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Welfare pays out pretty close to minimum wage on its own, throw in healthcare and all the other perks it actually doesn't make sense to get a job. In many cases going off welfare to work will bring in less money. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Umm... It's really not the privatized part of it that's so sickening. The part that makes it so bad is that these prisons get FEDERAL MONEY depending on how many prisoners they have. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think your second point is just a consequence of the first. Companies like the GEO Group lobby (legally) for this federal funding, when in my opinion they shouldn't even exist in the first place.</p> | |
| <p>The point of incarceration should be rehabilitation. There is absolutely no logical way a private company (which <em>needs</em> to maximize profits) would push for rehabilitation. It's bad for business.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There is almost no rehabilitative aspect of today's incarceration model in the US. What little there is is statistically insignificant. The model is purely punitive. </p> | |
| <p>Helps keep that recidivism up, ya know? Good for profits.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A private company that relies on customers voluntarily paying it still has accountability and will make zero money if the customers don't want to pay. A private company that relies on tax money can profit immensely if they just lobby the politicians hard enough. They have no accountability to the taxpayer who is forced to pay into it and has no say.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And aren't private prisons making part of their state contracts a mandate that the state provide them with enough inmates to remain at 80% capacity? It's insane. They basically legally require the state to send a certain number of people to prison. What are the chances they fulfill their legal requirement without a war on drugs?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><blockquote>\n\ | |
| <p>I had the opportunity to say \xE2\x80\x98no\xE2\x80\x99 to taking money that I believed was legal to receive, but knew that I should not take.</p>\n\ | |
| </blockquote>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Looks like we need new laws.</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>that's a tough one. Our judicial system gives judges HUGE latitude in their courtroom and there is little oversight. He's not the first judge to go to prison.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think a Law and Order episode was based off of that....</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It was</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Chairman Darryll Issa is doing an AMA right now, let's persuade him to address this! He is the Chariman of Oversight and Government Reform: | |
| <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/qlqys/iama_congressman_darrell_issa_internet_defender/c3ymcd8">http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/qlqys/iama_congressman_darrell_issa_internet_defender/c3ymcd8</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think I'll post in his thread right now.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah he's not addressing it. Upvoted your question anyways. At the moment, it's the 2nd comment in the thread. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well it hasn't been up long, and the House is voting right now anyway, so It would be suspect if he answered from the floor. Hopefully he won't be able to ignore this one if it gets enough attention. I'm sure it will be a slippery answer anyway.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My friend is caught in the system. He got busted for having keef, which the cops confused for hash (which is a controlled substance). Even though my friend had a medical MJ card (here in CA where it's medically legal), he was given the choice of waiting in the county jail for up to 9 months to see a judge ("backed up") or sign away his rights and get a felony conviction with 9 months probation. He took the offer to get out that weekend and see his newborn. So, in the last month, for HASH (was keef really), he's been drug tested 9 times, and pissed hot during the first 6 because it's still within 30 days and the THC is in his system. He has a felony, and is constantly stressed due to all of the loop holes and hoops that they throw his way. $2,000 in debt, and hours and hours of time wasted all for a gram of hash.</p> | |
| <p>The probation officer and "counseling" clinics have done almost everything to get him caught up to pay heavier fines and attend mandatory drug classes 2x a day. Just this week he's pissed twice for drug testing! Yesterday and today. YAY USA! I'm witnessing first hand how the drug war destroys lives. His life. He just had a newborn son and for a gram of weed (keef, the dust fallen from the plants) he is a fellon who is now in debt, and a slave to the probation officer and Government. All under the sickening guise of CHILD SAFTEY and the continuing fear factor of invisible boogymen who could harm your children's innocence at any second!!!! </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This doesn't seem right... Straight from NORML's website... | |
| <em>Possession of larger amounts of marijuana is a misdemeanor punishable by up to $500 and six months is jail under Health & Safety Code 11357c. Possession of hashish or concentrated cannabis is an optional misdemeanor or felony ("wobbler") under Health & Safety Code 11357a. However, under Prop. 36 first- and second- time possession-only offenders may demand a treatment program instead of jail. Upon successful completion of the program, their conviction is erased. Possession (and personal use cultivation) offenders can also avoid conviction by making a preguilty plea under Penal Code 1000, in which case their charges are dismissed upon successful completion of a diversion program.</em> </p> | |
| <p>Was your friend a multiple time offender? I'd be surprised at his sentencing if he wasn't. Also, 9 months in county? He has money for kief but not for bail, or for an attorney? Seems like there's a lot more to the story than you're telling.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is what America stands for now. Pure profit no matter what the human cost. I hate what my country has become and I'm not sure any of us can stop it. I want to wake up now.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>America? They also manage/own a number of prisons in the U.K. and Australia.</p> | |
| <p>This isn't an "America" problem, this is a whole world problem.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Oh, and reducing demand for correctional facilities is so bad why?</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Well, it's bad for the shareholders of that company, which is why that company is required by law to disclose the risk to their shareholders (which is what a 10-k is).</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's my point entirely. We have an private <em>industry</em> dealing in human misery. The entire point of their existence is to maximize profits, which means creating more human misery by incarcerating people that <em>shouldn't</em> be.</p> | |
| <p>Their very existence is immoral, and unethical. While I do believe that in some cases, private industry can do better than government (and vice versa), I don't think that there is ever a good reason for privatization of prisons.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I completely agree with you, but I think you're conflating "the primary motivating factor of incarceration" with "the primary motivating factor of private prisons." </p> | |
| <p>There is certainly overlap, but they are not the same. If a Congressperson used the above disclosure as an argument against decriminalization, that would be fucking sick. But the company should absolutely be disclosing potential risks to their shareholders, </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm not conflating either, I'm questioning the existence of this <em>private</em> "industry" in the first place. The primary motivating factor of incarceration <em>should</em> be rehabilitation, not the perpetual incarceration of inmates for profit (as GEO Group, or any <em>private</em> operator would/must push for). In my mind, it's actually almost impossible to overlap, as I don't see any logical way for a private prison industry, which <em>must</em> maximize profits, to push for rehabilitation.</p> | |
| <p>A company's first (and arguably only) responsibility is to maximize profits for its shareholders legally, and the logical conclusion of the privatization of prisons is to maximize the number of those incarcerated through any legal means (lobbying for stricter laws and interpretations thereof). Because these companies are known to lobby congresspeople for the creation/perpetuation of these laws, your "fucking sick" scenario <strong>already happens</strong>, implicitly. Congresspeople don't have to say it, we know it happens.</p> | |
| <p>I completely agree that companies need to disclose possible risks to their shareholders.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Prisons SHOULD be in the business of putting themselves out of business. Which is why they should NOT be for-profit, ever.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's good, we'll likely need your stomach to power a subdivision in the coming years. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><strong>Prisons for Profit are a Crime Against Humanity!</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Any social service that is run for profit is a crime against humanity. That includes health care.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Let's get the full paragraph to get more context:</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>In particular, the demand for our correctional and detention facilities and services, electronic monitoring services, community-based re-entry services and monitoring and supervision services could be adversely affected by changes in existing criminal or immigration laws, crime rates in jurisdictions in which we operate, the relaxation of criminal or immigration enforcement efforts, leniency in conviction, sentencing or deportation practices, and the decriminalization of certain activities that are currently proscribed by criminal laws or the loosening of immigration laws. For example, any changes with respect to the decriminalization of drugs and controlled substances could affect the number of persons arrested, convicted, sentenced and incarcerated, thereby potentially reducing demand for correctional facilities to house them. Similarly, reductions in crime rates could lead to reductions in arrests, convictions and sentences requiring incarceration at correctional facilities. Immigration reform laws which are currently a focus for legislators and politicians at the federal, state and local level also could materially adversely impact us. Various factors outside our control could adversely impact the growth of our GEO Care business, including government customer resistance to the privatization of mental health or residential treatment facilities, and changes to Medicare and Medicaid reimbursement programs.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>I'm sure the vast majority of redditors have no idea what a 10-K or 10-Q are. A 10-K is a form filed with the SEC. Every 10-K has a section called "Risk Factors" where are supposed to inform investors of potential risks to the business. You can read nefarious intent into the quote above, or you can see it as the company's simple recognition of factors that affect their business. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>your point? The fact that there is a profit motive to lock more people up should be enough to make this sort of thing illegal on a federal level.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I wasn't saying it was anything other than a company recognizing a factor that affects their business. I was pointing out there are large business interests who are vested in marijuana/drugs being illegal. </p> | |
| <p>But it's hard to ignore the fact that the more people who are incarcerated for marijuana offenses the more a for-profit prison, profits.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You are right, we all wallow in such incredible ignorance. Thank you so much for pointing out that a sociopathic entity who's only purpose being to generate profit is really not such a bad thing. The fact that their method of generating profit is completely destructive to individual's lives and society in a myraid of ways is really not a big deal, because <em>profit</em>.</p> | |
| <p>Wait.. what?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I dont understand how that reduces tge demand for prisons. Cant the police just switch there foccus to things like rape, murder, child molestation, assault, robbery, white collar crime or the countless other horribly toxic crimes that are commited daily by people who still roam free.</p> | |
| <p>Making pot legal does not cut down on the number of people who can be put into prison, it just shifts the foccus to who truely belongs there to make our society safer.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Something like 22% of the prison population are in there for non-violent drug offenses. Add in the "violent", and that number goes up substantially. A number of people are only violent when they don't want to get caught, and if it's not illegal, you don't have to fear getting caught.</p> | |
| <p>In short, concentrating on "real" crimes won't fill up the prisons to a profitable level.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Besides, the for-profit prisons only take non-violent, min security prisoners.</p> | |
| <p>Repealing the awful enforcement laws would shutter half of them overnight. Good.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>yes but cops make more money busting kids for pot, 20 minor drug arrest is equal to 1 murder solved. There trying to make money and not focusing on protecting the people.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>you're assuming that the focus on drug busts comes at a cost of NOT prosecuting rape, murder, etc. I don't believe that is the case, or it's not the case in a big way. Making pot legal would reduce the workload for the entire judicial system.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Law enforcement resources are finite. Resources spent pursuing victimless crimes like marijuana possession prevent those resources from being spent on crimes with actual victims. So yes, focusing on drug busts does come at the cost of not prosecuting rape, murder, etc.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd have to research the issue, but you are assuming the cup is overfilled (which it probably is). But if, for example, half of our law enforcement resources are used and then subsquently not needed because of changes in the law, then maybe we end up with a law enforcement system half in size?</p> | |
| <p>We are a litigous society with about 1 lawyer per 250 citizens. There's an old story: A lawyer moves to a small town because he sees there is no lawyer in town, so he figures he'll make a lot of money with no competition. He starves. The next year another lawyer moves into town. The year after they are both the richest people in town.</p> | |
| <p>But I generally agree with you, that we'll find ways to keep the prisons full and the court dockets overflowing without any marijuana cases...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No doubt private prisons have a vested interest in keeping as many things illegal as they possibly can, but blaming them for prohibition has always seemed like a bit of a copout to me considering prohibition pre-dates the rise of private prisons by several decades.</p> | |
| <p>The entire law enforcement apparatus is significantly larger in scope and far more important to the economy than the private prison industry will ever be.</p> | |
| <p>I would look more at the number of people employed by various government agencies, including federal and state law enforcement, that would be drastically downsized tomorrow if drugs were legalized. That's a tremendous amount of people who are suddenly collecting unemployment and no longer putting money back into the economy.</p> | |
| <p>Not only that, but you now have hundreds of thousands of people with irrelevant skills who need to be retrained to find a new career, and when they finally do, they're filling positions that other people with those skills likely would have filled anyways.</p> | |
| <p>Prohibition has become a major part of our economy and ending it would have wide-reaching economic consequences that would affect everyone. Considering this, I don't think we really need private prison and pharmaceutical conspiracy theories to explain why no politicians want to touch the issue.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jO_ncXj7RE">Free Movie</a> - The lies fed to the public about Marijuana for more than 70 years. Covers how it's less dangerous than alcohol and tobacco. Covers the business aspects and why being so high valued (worth more than gold when it's simply a weed) is caused by our own prohibition (proven by alcohol prohibition), covers the politics behind the lies in our government and corporations, covers how it's easier for your children to obtain marijuana than alcohol due to prohibition. Very, very interesting topic about being misled and manipulated by lobbyists even if you don't smoke weed.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>this movie changed my life. 100% serious.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Everyone, spread it far and wide please. Enlightening. Lies and manipulation anger me beyond belief. And, this day and age with Trillion Dollar National Debt, cities going bankrupt, and privatized jail systems full of marijuana users, the billions of dollars that could be pulled out of this industry could literally help recover this country, not to mention remove virtually 99% of the crime associated with it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Best marijuana movie out there. If we could just get politicians to watch this, I actually feel it could change a lot of people's minds. Its that powerful.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I wish Joe Biden would watch it, and Bill Maher link it on his show. I had to watch it in 2 sittings because SOO much information is conveyed, it just blew me away. My mind was reeling trying to separate the truth from what I've been fed and brainwashed with all my life. Truly powerful.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's also available on Netflix.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How does that movie manage to skip the part about the 1924 Opiates Conference, and the Egyptian cotton industry?</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.thehempire.com/index.php/cannabis/cannabis_hemp/why_cannabis_is_illegal">http://www.thehempire.com/index.php/cannabis/cannabis_hemp/why_cannabis_is_illegal</a></p> | |
| <p>It's always, always been about money.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Reefer Madness?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, the movie explains that was pretty much the start of the prohibition, and how stamps were then required to grow, but no stamps were ever given out. Watch 15 minutes of it, and see, trust me, it's worth it. Most people walk away from this movie outright astounded.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They required you to bring a sample of marijuana to get a stamp, and then they arrested everybody who showed up for possession of marijuana.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>oh, well we all know how trolling originated...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Even after I convinced my girlfriend to smoke she would say that movies like The Union are just biased towards what people <em>want</em> to believe. Then I made her watch the entire thing. Changed her mind in less than 2 hours. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>another reason we cant smoke pot? lamar smith is the judiciary committee chair of the congress. he wont even allow a medical cannabis bill to be debated much less go to the floor for a vote which is amazing because he doesnt believe in medicine - hes a fucking christian scientist. Another reason ? the SCOTUS has a 5 to 4 advantage in conservative leaning judges who were appointed by the bush family and reagan who have and will strike down any laws making it legal. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Isn't smooth the soap guy?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>yes, my dislexic friend, smith is the sopa guy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"Christian scientist" is an oxymoron and Lamar Smith is a dick head. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I can smoke pot.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ABOUT TO HIT BARACK O'BUBBLA</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You have an Irish water pipe named Barack? That seems odd.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Half-Irish</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Need to see a birth certificate...................</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>or a receipt...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Black Irish.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xkw8ip43Vk">Relevant.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>YES WE CA-</p> | |
| <p><em>coughcoughcough</em></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>YES WE CAnnabis.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Best comment I've read all day.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Legalise it.</p> | |
| <p>Tax it.</p> | |
| <p>Prof it.</p> | |
| <p>Someone should make a daft punk song.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I vote daft punk.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Daft punk would make an amazing daft punk song.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Be careful we only get one Daft Punk song a year, let's not waste it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>and Robot Presidents</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think what OP meant to say is, "Why is Mexico dangerous? Because Lobbyists Are Getting Rich Off of the War on Drugs." Because personally, I'd like to travel to Mexico safely - even more than I want to smoke pot.</p> | |
| <p>But... why can't I have both?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>por que no los dos?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If it works for tacos, it can work for drugs/traveling.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yay, people want to visit us!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I do it every day...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If anything this just goes to show the unequivocal failure of the war on drugs. A "war" which has done nothing in the past 70 years to stop the proliferation of drugs throughout the country.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The war on drugs has been a huge success. Look how much money lobbyists are making.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I WILL SMOKE POT!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>\xE2\x80\xA2 Legalize every drug</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>\xE2\x80\xA2 Put all that money on Education</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>\xE2\x80\xA2 Establish tax breaks for charity detox centers</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>\xE2\x80\xA2 license, regulate, and tax all forms of drug manufacture, distribution and sales.</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Put all that money on Education</p> | |
| <p>Establish tax breaks for charity detox centers</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>WOAH WOAH WOAH BUDDY. PUTTING MONEY TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT WOULD REALLY BENEFIT OUR SOCIETY AS A WHOLE? What do you think this is?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Goddamn <em>socialists</em> nowadays</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ironically, it's the Libertarians pushing hardest for this, and they're being pigeon-holed as the people that want <em>more</em> government.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A radical idea, let's get him! ...high?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>HE MUST THINK THIS IS A FUCKING GAME</p> | |
| <p>kittenfuckinggame.jpg</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>i fucking love cats.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>But den yer killin the private prison and lobbyist's jerbs! Can't have that. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>NOT DEH JERBS!! ANYTHING BUT DEH JERBS!!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Put all that money on Education</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>I know a lot of people think this, but that doesn't lead to better education. It definitely would help in impoverished areas, but just because a school has more money doesn't mean the kids are less likely to do stupid things.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why I can't smoke pot? Because Tony is out of town this week.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I can't because I don't know Tony.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In my pot smoking career I've known a total of three "guys" called Tony. What is it with that name?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Maybe I should just start randomly asking every "Tony" I know if they're dealers.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It works 2/3 times, all the time.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What's funny is that politicians will argue that pot is a gateway drug, and that if people start smoking it they'll start getting into other illegal substances. But follow the money, and you see that it's the opposite. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yep actually many heroin addicts started off using pharmaceuticals. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Oxycodone is basically heroin. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't understand how 300 million people can allow their government to completely assfuck them on a daily basis in every way imaginable, and yet they still won't do anything about getting money out of politics. Completely and utterly astonishing - I don't think a bigger bunch of suckers has ever existed on the face of the Earth. I'm sure thousands of politicians, lobbyists and corporate execs are laughing their asses off on the way to the bank as I write this.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I mean seriously, 300,000,000 people vs maybe 1,000 corrupt sons of bitches who have ruined everything about your lives: your incomes, the value of your homes, your job security, your pensions, your healthcare, your kids' education, your air quality, your freedom of speech, etc. And now they're down to jailing you for profit. What's even left anymore? Pretty soon there'll be nothing left to take away and you'll wake up in North Korea.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Most people are either too stupid or too distracted by the newest Iphone to give a shit about their rights.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Criminalization was started because of lobbying, but it continues because support for legalization makes politicians vulnerable to "soft on crime" attacks.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Lobbying by police unions, pharmaceutical industry, and private prisons are still an unacceptable influence. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Might not be as relevant today, but I heard the cotton industry had a big lobbying effort for the initial criminalization. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Probably not as relevant anymore. Definitely had some impact when rope making was a sizable industry though.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Big Pharma probably stands the most to lose, even if that's not what reddit wants to hear.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why would companies making medicines lose anything if people get access to a recreational drug?</p> | |
| <p>They could get into manufacturing it for more profit</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Because you can't patent a plant. And there are over 40 chemical compounds in the bud, ready to be vaped, without any sort of manufacturing. You could grow you own medicine.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The cotton industry has done a <em>lot</em> of horrible things throughout the past few hundred years, hasn't it?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And alcohol companies... They pay for the "this is your brain on drugs" commercials.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>which is funny considering alcohol is a drug that actually kills people.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Which is ridiculous really, as if it were legalized it wouldnt be a crime, so how are they being soft?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>actually it was <em>started</em> because the invention of the decorticator made hemp farming viable and a huge threat to paper interests. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>John Lovell is a lobbyist who makes a lot of money from making sure you can\xE2\x80\x99t smoke a joint. </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Law Offices of John Lovell</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>1127 11th St Ste 523</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Sacramento, CA 95814</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Phone: (916) 447-3820 </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Fax: (916) 441-1974 </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Email: <a href=\"mailto:jlovell@johnlovell.com\">jlovell@johnlovell.com</a></p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Like Hillary Clinton said, there's just to much money in it. <a href="http://reason.com/blog/2011/02/07/hillary-clinton-we-cant-legali">Source</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So it's like Hillary is saying that it is pointless to try and get rid of the illegal drug problem because even if drugs are legal there is so much money being made by illegal drug dealers that they can't be stopped. | |
| WTF?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The real reason why pot is still illegal: Because the alcohol and drug industries hate real free market competition.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is just <em>one</em> reason. There are many, many, many, many more reasons, as well.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Marijuana is Satan's way to seduce the innocent into a world of occult cults and orgies where there is wild sex and Ouija boards! </p> | |
| <p>I don't recommend it for everyone, but so far, it has been working for me! </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Having lots of cheap labor doesn't hurt either.</p> | |
| <p>I'll use a British panel comedy show as a source. Reddit will like that. </p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=qXXTeImVVbI#t=1919s">"But in America you can almost say[...]that they have reinvented the slave trade" </a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why can't I smoke pot? Cause I can't find a fucking lighter!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Vaporize that shit mane!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I most definitely don't want to vape a "shit mane".</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Huuurrr durrrr Huuurrr </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I would give the government $100 dollars if that I meant I could smoke weed with no legal repercussions every six months. Tax it, I don't give a shit, its completely retarded that marijuana is illegal while tobacco is legal and alcohol is legal.</p> | |
| <p>Also while we are at it, if you serve in the military under the age of 21, you should rightfully be able to purchase alcohol.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Even if you don't serve in the military, you should be able to purchase alcohol. Either someone is an adult at 18, or they are not.</p> | |
| <p>BTW, I am 36 and not just some HS kid looking for booze</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Being allowed to drive a car and own a gun before buying a beer seems a rather strange order.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Being allowed to get blown up by an IED in a foreign country before buying a beer seems even stranger.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>When you're 18 you can be in the dirtiest porn you can imagine.. But oh shit, no alcohol for you.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yup, filling all three holes is A-OK, but stay the hell out of the bar</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If it was legal to cultivate, that $100 would be recouped within a week for me from the price drop alone.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm pretty sure active duty soldiers can buy on-base under 21.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Just so you are aware, enlisted personnel over 18 are allowed alcohol at all military functions where it is served. Surprisingly, the military is actually a really progressive system in some ways, including things like eliminating the penny at overseas bases. </p> | |
| <p>*Edit: So after a bit more research this isn't entirely true. The policy is now that enlisted soldiers can drink at 18 at overseas bases (20 in japan) and for US bases its the same laws as the state the base is currently in (so 21) with a few exception for the Marines under specific circumstances. Of course since nearly every other country is able to drink at 18 anyway this doesn't mean much. Another example of MADD being asshats. <a href="http://usmilitary.about.com/od/justicelawlegislation/a/drinkingage.htm">Source</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Or better yet, make it so you have to be 21 or older to join the military...18 year olds are still not that sure about what they want to do in life, gives them plenty of time to rethink their decision on all that propaganda thrown in their faces.</p> | |
| <p>Edit: What I meant to say is, they think they know what they want to do, but a lot can change in those 3 years.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Then no one would join! That's why they get them when they're young, because they don't know any better.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The more interesting question is, why is it illegal almost everywhere else on the planet? Are we all completely incapable of basic logic?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>why is it illegal almost everywhere else on the planet?</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p><a href="http://treaties.un.org/Pages/ViewDetails.aspx?src=TREATY&mtdsg_no=VI-18&chapter=6&lang=en">Single Convention on Narcotic Drugs, 1961</a></p> | |
| <p>Non-compliant countries are subject to embargo.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is why <strong>nobody</strong> can have nice things.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A lot of that has to do with the US pressuring other countries into it. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Because the USA will not trade with you if you have "legal" drugs. This is why Portugal also went to decriminalized drugs, as opposed to legal. Legal would have the US form a trade embargo. </p> | |
| <p>Stupid I know.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>everybody should make them legal and then just trade with eachother and tell america to fuck off until they make it legal too. I bet 'merica would be fucked without being able to import all the shit they probably do.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As an American, I support this 100%.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>common sense is VERY uncommon</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The Feds classification of marijuana as some kind of useless dangerous narcotic is ridiculous. An end to marijuana prohibition is pretty much a no-brainer, but when considering true narcotics, it gets complicated. The cartels are already in cocain, heroin, and meth, so they wouldn't be bankrupted with losing the pot market. There is also the huge problem with prescription drug abuse. What substances should be allowed legally and what stays on the black market? What stays or becomes medical and what becomes like alcohol and tobacco?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Legalizing all of it is the only rational solution. We know that prohibition doesn't work, there is no reason to continue with it for <em>any</em> drugs.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It also has an image problem for the rubes who took DARE as gospel. | |
| Also, please refer to it by the proper name cannabis.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Good point..."marijuana" is a racist term by design. I would ask anyone who uses that word if they freely use the N-word in public. Now, pardon me while I enjoy some dago noodles.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I actually remember reading an article on this. Cannabis and hemp were common terms before it was made illegal, since lots of stuff was made from hemp (paper, clothes, rope, etc.). I forget who instigated it, but they wanted hemp illegal to cut competition, so they made up the term marijuana to make it sound like a Mexican drug. This led to a disassociation between cannabis and "marijuana" so the public didn't realize they were outlawing hemp as well. Then it was simply marketing marijuana prohibition and voila, a stereotypical fat cat CEO was born. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That web design is terrible. Just sayin.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The beer brewers and alcohol distillers also lobby against pot.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>private prisons are raking in the cash as well. make it illegal then lock em up. makin it rain.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's in the article</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ron Paul is for correcting this, but he is insane.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>At least he's a real person. Those other schmucks in the so-called GOP just pander, pander, pander.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hopefully once these old stubborn bastards die, we can gain control of our country. I'm so sick of them telling us what we can and cannot put in our bodies. It's my life, my body and if I choose to 'do harm' to it, well that's none of your fucking business. I work 40+ hours a week to pay for my for my overpriced education and I feel that I should be able to unwind however the fuck I want. I contribute more to society than Joe Bob and the good ole boys in the bible belt that leech off the system, yet I'm a criminal because I smoke bud. Ass backwards country</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So why can't we get the number to this guy's office and give him a few calls?</p> | |
| <p>EDIT: <a href="http://www.johnlovell.com">http://www.johnlovell.com</a></p> | |
| <p>Law Offices of John Lovell</p> | |
| <p>1127 11th St Ste 523</p> | |
| <p>Sacramento, CA 95814</p> | |
| <p>Phone: (916) 447-3820 Fax: (916) 441-1974 Email: <a href="mailto:jlovell@johnlovell.com">jlovell@johnlovell.com</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The 'War on Drugs' is so intertwined with the legals system (and large amounts of money changing hands) that nothing short of a popular (peaceful) revolution is going to change things.</p> | |
| <p>Just consider the seizure laws alone when you consider 'the war on drugs'. </p> | |
| <p>It is no small amount of money.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Because conservatives REALLY believe in big government intruding into the most private parts of your life. </p> | |
| <p>Also authoritarian cons like to impress upon the population the idea that they control you and you are not free ( see John Deans book )</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Fuck these assholes.. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was going to say that I don't understand why Big Alcohol is so against pot, considering that everyone I know who smokes pot (including myself) also drinks, but I suppose I can see where they're coming from. I certainly started drinking <em>less</em> after I started smoking. I drink now for enjoyment, not to get drunk. If I want to take a break from anxiety and being in my head for a while, I now have a much safer way to do so.</p> | |
| <p>Still, I feel like these people lack creativity. Pot beer? How cool would that be?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ridiculous, Marijuana remains illegal because it is dangerous, addictive and promotes anti-social behavior. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Upvoted because you want downvotes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Almost downvoted you, but nope. Upvote.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is funny cuz that shit only happens because it's illegal.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm upvoting you just to fuck with you.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ive never heard the anti social behavior one before? Don't people usually smoke together? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He's a troll.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Drug companies have more to do with it. They make a lot of money by controlling the drug trade</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why are you people so anti-union? Unions are the best thing to ever happen to this country, and if you want to believe evil GOP lies just to harm the few remaining organized workers, you are a fool and a scoundrel. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>For years i used to think anyone who even sugested such an idea was a crazy liberal hippy and argued that politics was not as corrupt as everyone thought.</p> | |
| <p>Then i started studying for my politics degree and i realise that this kind of thing is the norm, the people no longer have any real say in politics. We don't vote for a leader, we vote for a puppet to these people.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Fast And Furious</p> | |
| <p>Guns go south-- drugs come north.</p> | |
| <p>The biggest dealer in the country is the u s g o v e r n m e n t.</p> | |
| <p>Look it up.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And the CIA needs funding against the La Zeta cartel. They've got too much riding on the Sinaloa.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Legalizing marijuana would have generated billions in tax revenue for the state of California, while also reducing victimless crime prosecutions. But for lobbyists like Lovell, legalization was a direct assault on hundreds of thousands of dollars in potential fees for helping to solicit taxpayer money for his clients.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>wowza, what other programs/bills/etc are not being passed because those things aren't in the lobbyist's best interest? who cares if it would be in the best interest of the people.... makes me sick.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Title is a bit misleading. I can and do smoke pot. Fuck the police.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Don't worry guys! We're totally not a police state, right?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Only guy willing to take on these lobbysts?</p> | |
| <p>Ron Paul.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think those lobbyists need to go smoke some pot... I really think that people make a big deal of nothing... There is absolutely nothing wrong with smoking pot............. I wonder if they've ever even tried it?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"Who are you to judge the life i live? i know i'm not perfect and i don't live to be. but, before you start pointing fingers, make sure your hands are clean" -Bob Marley</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You can't legally smoke pot because lots of older people believe the "reefer madness" propaganda.</p> | |
| <p>They genuinely believe that pot will destroy their children.</p> | |
| <p>Then add all the other "interested parties"... liquor companies, prison guard unions, growers who fear legal pot would cut their profit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My key takeaway from this article is that local citizens should advocate against their police departments from applying for these grants. This may not be doable in large cities, but in smaller towns like mine taxpayers and city councils still maintain some over site into what their local departments do. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The prison industry could be doing a lot better, guys. We need to do our part right?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In the financial disclosures of one of the publically traded private prison businesses they stated under their "risk" section, "legalization of marijuana"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Jail all the Wall St Banksters and make them pay for their stay.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>probably the biggest contributors to anti-marijuana lobbyists are the druglords/cartels of Mexico.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Police unions are really anti-marijuana, like out in california. The beer industry also was very active in Cali.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>LEAP is Law Enforcement Against Prohibition (so pro-marijuana legalization) <a href="http://www.leap.cc/">http://www.leap.cc/</a></p> | |
| <p>I'm surprised to learn of police unions anti-marijuana and beer industry too - can't imagine legalizing marijuana would reduce beer consumption?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Oh yeah, legalizing cannabis would definitively reduce beer consumption. I prefer getting high to getting drunk any day of the week and it doesn't come along with a nasty hangover the next morning.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah LEAP is great: <a href="http://www.republicreport.org/2012/police-marijuana-cpac/">http://www.republicreport.org/2012/police-marijuana-cpac/</a> </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>at my university, the library is open 24 hours a day, six days out of the week. however, its students/staff/faculty only from 8pm-8am. the library staff has to come around and verify enrollment/employment via the university ID starting around 730pm, and i saw <a href="http://i.imgur.com/p1IZh.jpg">this awesomeness</a> [its the week before finals right now].</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's thinking ahead.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Streets ahead</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>stop trying to make 'streets ahead' happen, pierce!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What's that a reference to? I swear it sounds familiar.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>community.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Don't eat the crab dip!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>YEAYEA</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>find your school: <a href="http://asianssleepinginthelibrary.tumblr.com/">http://asianssleepinginthelibrary.tumblr.com/</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My god, it's full of stars!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"Cute asian caught sleeping"</p> | |
| <p>Most of these aren't creepy at all. Yep.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>they're not sleeping, they're just asian. YOURE A RACIST!!!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Actually I went to High school with the guy that made that tumblr, he's not racist, just an asshole.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Also known as, "if you wake me up I <strong>will</strong> kill you."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Odegaard University of Washington? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>something tells me youve found yourself in a similar position.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I find Suzallo to be a better/quieter spot when I went to school there.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In college, I worked at a library exactly like this. I worked in the computer lab as a "support consultant," which meant I would be there to answer any question anyone had about any of our "supported" programs. My Google-fu became strong thanks to that job :-P</p> | |
| <p>One semester I worked the early shift: I arrived a couple of mornings per week at 7 am. Early in the semester, it would be quiet, maybe a couple of people asleep with their heads on the desks.</p> | |
| <p>By the end of the semester, though, people were sleeping under the seats, bringing blankets and pillows, and setting up things that I can only describe as nests.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My college library is the same way. I wonder if they all do this... My ID is blue, too... but it looks like the graphic is a little different.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm assuming that's not his arm wrenched behind his back but that is awesome.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Genius.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I worked in warehouse management for 10 years. I have found something like this at every warehouse a few times a month. One company i worked for was a furniture transportation company. One night I was walking the aisles and noticed a giant sofa box was sticking out into the aisle to much. I went over to push it back into his location and the thing was light as a feather(empty). One of the sides of this giant 6 foot tall box falls open and inside was a stool and candy wrappers.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was a warehouse manager as well, I once found a clubhouse on the very top shelf of our center isle. The boxes were put up much like in this post, facing out, but cut open in the back. From the ground, it appeared you were looking at a shelf, neatly lined with boxes. | |
| Inside there was a rug, some "seating" made from slabs of packing foam and even a stash of snacks and drinks. | |
| My favorite feature of the club house was that they'd made a little flap, where on the outside of the box, was a packing label, but could be opened from the inside to peak out and see what was happening below. | |
| This is why my warehouse guys evidently wanted to stay at the store when I would go out to eat on our lunch breaks...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That just reminds me of that Dane Cook movie where they had a sweet secret hideout.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, that movie had recently come out, so I like to think that's what they were going for, but not anywhere near as cool lol. | |
| This was at Guitar Center... so my employees were mostly 19 year old stoners.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That was filmed at a Costco Wholesale Club. I work at one, and believe me, it's tempting to construct one. The steel isn't actually possible to hide in though, because we move our stock <em>so</em> often that it'd be found within a few days. </p> | |
| <p>Not to mention it's someone's job to inspect the steel pallet by pallet every morning. That would probably stick out. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I build forts between the stock and the paper wall. In fact I'm in one now. </p> | |
| <p>Because night crew rearranges back here almost every night I often have to rebuild, but that's no problem since my forts are simple and don't look like forts.</p> | |
| <p>Throw some paper towels or toilet paper on the floor, sit, get on reddit. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>and by stool you mean feces?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sometimes I feel like the original point of reddit was to bring together people with <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1569245479/the-first-year-ibs-irritable-bowel-syndrome-20/">poor bowel control and then submit reviews on books like these</a>.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As someone with Crohn's Disease, I feel very welcome here.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Only sometimes. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If the need arises</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Bear Grylls Mode:</p> | |
| <p><em>Looks at feces . Looks at candy wrappers</em></p> | |
| <p>"Human feces?..." <strong><em>tastes</em></strong> "This worker has definitely been eating candy"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It was actually just a Baby Ruth, hence the wrapper.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I once managed a product assembly crew in a very large warehouse. The forklift guys put a futon frame and mattress high up in the stacks and would take turns crashing up there out of sight of management. From below, it just looked like empty pallets.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Did you fire the people who used it?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No. I wasn't in charge of that crew. When I found out about it, I updated the database to show it contained some outdated product boxes so the location wouldn't be inadvertently picked. They were good guys and worked hard (mostly). After I left, I heard that one of the big bosses discovered it when he heard snoring above his head and made them put it in the compactor.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>HaHa I worked for a Sear's warehouse and we had the washers and driers section. We had several empty boxes that had blankets and pillow in them. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A: Somebody sat on a stool while eating candy inside a sofa box | |
| B: Somebody left a parcel of fecal matter after eating candy inside a sofa box</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>C: Somebody sat on a parcel of fecal matter while eating candy inside a sofa box.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Jesus that's hilarious</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I know!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He was talking to the white one. Sorry dawg.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I worked in one warehouse for only two weeks and during that brief period I saw a long-time employee fired when management discovered the little cardboard house he had built and hidden at the back of a top shelf. It was almost at the ceiling, probably 25 feet up or more. He was using it to sleep on the job.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><em>slow nod</em> I demand more stories.<br/> | |
| Plz.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Level: Costanza</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>much better title, as you're not insulting the hive mind and reminding them of their hatred for all things asian level</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>what</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Reddit has been getting really pissed off a people using the title of something something somthing level: asian. Costanza would convey an equally laughable meaning while not pissing reddit off</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>While also not perpetuating racist stereotypes. But sure, whatever's most important to you.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I thought the stereotype was that Asians are hard workers who excel at what they do due to culturally instilled tenacity?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The stereotype is that they are genetically smarter so their accomplishments can be explained away. Just like black athletes are genetically better, not because they work and train hard.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I won't defend the stereotype, and I dislike this "Asian level" stuff as I do find it insulting to every demographic. But I never thought it was about genetics, just that they stereotypically are pushed extra hard by parental units. They don't get the grades and such from genetics, but from working their butts off. So, the respect they get for their accomplishments, they earned the hard way.</p> | |
| <p>And I'm struggling to hold back a rant about using a term like "Asians" to describe people from a diverse region with more people than the western hemisphere contains.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In grade school, one genius once said that "the reason black people are better at sports is because they evolved better muscles because they used to be slaves." Or something to that effect.</p> | |
| <p>That being said - black people aren't genetically better at sports. People who practice are good at sports.</p> | |
| <p>A master or expert in any field will tell you that they honed their craft through hard work and practice - natural talent won't take you very far at all unless you nurture the craft through dedication, patience, etc.</p> | |
| <p>Perfect example - Pete Rose. More hits than any player, and his nickname was "Charlie Hustle."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Your stereotype is that you're good at everything. I'M SO SORRY.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's a negative stereotype regardless. If you do well in academics, you get the standard "Well of course, you're asian, that's average and you are average". If you perform underneath expected levels, people don't believe you. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Your stereotype is that you're good at everything. I'M SO SORRY.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>You sound Canadian...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There are billions of Asians in this world, the vast majority of whom are living in abject dirt poverty.</p> | |
| <p>But of course, this is reddit...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>There are billions of Asians in this world, the vast majority of whom are living in abject dirt poverty.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>So they're good at being poor?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>sorry that you think a stereotype is something that should be accepted just because it's not negative</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's still racist. And that is certainly not the only Asian stereotype I've seen joked about on reddit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think I actually prefer outright negative racism. At least when its straight up derogatory the person knows they're being a fucking asshole and not doing someone a favor or paying them a compliment by grouping them into some faceless mass. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Except they frequently show up on the front page, clearly reddit isn't pissed off at all about these titles. Some people in the comments, sure... but there are always pissed off people if you dig deep enough in any comment list.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Asian guy here, anyone who is offended by positive stereotypes is fucking retarded. If you tell me I'm good at something when I'm not necessarily good at that fucking thing, I'm not getting my feelings hurt.</p> | |
| <p>The white dumbasses (which make up the majority of the group against 'asian level' usage) who think they're "helping" us by defending us from positive stereotypes need to shut the fuck up and stop being offended for us.</p> | |
| <p><strong>TL;DR: The white people who get offended by stereotypes about asians are cunts. We don't need your help, make yourselves feel better in another way and go fuck yourselves.</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As another Asian dude who used to think like you. Wait a few more years. If you grow up at all, you'll soon see that any stereotype is annoying.</p> | |
| <p>Any standard that judges you based on your race and not you as an individual is shit.</p> | |
| <p>It's just another reminder that "you are not American. You are foreign. When I look at you, the first thing I see is not a person or an individual, but a group of people number in the billions that I lump together in a single stereotype, regardless of where you were born or how you were raised."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>We don't need your help ...</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>I hate when people look at races as "us vs them".</p> | |
| <p>Human here: I hate racism and racial stereotypes. There is no need for this sort of bullshit and you can go and kindly fuck <em>yourself</em>.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Your vulgarity belies your immaturity.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Speak for yourself, you dumb shit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>you dont speak for all asians, I am asian although I agree with the immediate perception that the positive stereotype is on the surface, a good thing, it still leads to a trend of rampant labeling and sterotypes which lose sight of how individualized all people, like asians can be. I cannot tell you how many times people just assume im this or that solely because I am asian. Not a great feeling. The fact that these people are white and talking about "our" situation isnt necessarily a bad thing, they are not cunts or retards, or anything really close to that. They usually are just trying to empathize with what racial labels can be like. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Catching z's on the job....y u no catch a's?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>In Japan, falling asleep from exhaustion is a testament to hard work. This is called Inemuri (\xE5\xB1\x85\xE7\x9C\xA0\xE3\x82\x8A).</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>In Japan, dying from exhaustion is a testament to hard work. This is called Kar\xC5\x8Dshi (\xE9\x81\x8E\xE5\x8A\xB4\xE6\xAD\xBB).</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>In Japan, everything goes just according to plan. This is called keikaku (\xE8\xA8\x88\xE7\x94\xBB)</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No wonder weed is illegal there. A few puffs and they'd wonder why on the hell they are sacrificing their life (literally) for a company </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>According to that wiki page you can "do" Inemuri (sleeping at work becuase you work too much to sleep at home) only if you are high or low in the company. Wonder what middle management thinks of this.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I worked with a guy from China for a few years at an IT firm. I think he spent 12 hours a day at his desk, maybe more. It was not uncommon to see him take 15 minute naps, his head down on his desk. I guess this kind of thing was not considered bad where he came from. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Is taking 15 minute naps during a 12-hour day considered bad where you come from?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In the US, sleeping at work in any way would typically get a fair amount of negative attention.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It depends on what field of work you do. As a scientist I see my associates take cat naps at work all the time. We tend to work irregular hours though, sometimes coming in to work in the middle of the night to feed culture lines or make adjustments to an instrument. In fact its not even surprising if you dont even show up some days, especially if you have been putting in extra hours in previous days.</p> | |
| <p>EDIT: Geez, I leave to do a clinical trial on personal caffeine consumption and im suddenly upvoted. I would like to add that the people I work with have quite a passion for their work and most dont mind the irregularity. </p> | |
| <p>One of these days ill tell you the story of when I ground up 20,000 cow eyeballs trying to purify a protein...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The more skilled your job, and the more money you make (not that scientists are well paid in research), the more liberties you get.</p> | |
| <p>If you're at a minimum wage job, being 5 minutes late will probably get you fired. If you make good money, you probably make your own schedule, have the latitude to come in an hour late if you need or want to, can take an afternoon off for golf, take lunch at an odd time, etc.</p> | |
| <p>But if you're poor, you're fucked, because you're expendable and no one gives a shit about you.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's not just people being evil or you being expendable. Low wage/skill jobs tend to be far more critical in terms of you showing up on time simply because your presence is required. It doesn't take a college degree, but it does take X warm bodies. If they can get away with X-1 they just put one less person on the schedule and pay one less wage for that shift. You being late means the other guy at that same shitty job is overwhelmed, or the chick from last shift is stuck staying late to cover for you. Or maybe your department is just going to look like shit and the dept manager is going to catch flak for it. </p> | |
| <p>Once you get out into the professional realm it changes because the requirements change, not because you are less replaceable. I make my own schedule because I'm a programmer. My clients may as well think of me as a wizard, as long as I meet my deadlines and stay under budget - my exact schedule just isn't relevant. </p> | |
| <p>Typed on phone, sorry about any mistakes. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Entirely true.</p> | |
| <p>I also find it funny though where the line is drawn on things like drug testing. Yes, a lot of low income jobs you work with hazardous machinery. But a lot you don't at all. A telemarketing place I worked at in college -- you had to take a piss test. But the majority of my engineering friends smoke weed on the weekends, no tests, make 3x as much, work on some REALLY important shit.</p> | |
| <p>It's just crazy the way low income people are marginalized and treated more like a commodity than a person with regards to employment practices.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>But if you're poor, you're fucked, because you're expendable and no one gives a shit about you.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>I tried to explain to my brother in law the other day why he can't think that companies like Google (his wife's employer) behave differently than his (Kinko's) and this, basically, is why. Its just a tough thing to say to some. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Cut your hair and get a job...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thanks for being a scientist!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How does that get more upvotes than the actual scientist? GO BACK AND UPVOTE THE SCIENTIST!</p> | |
| <p>EDIT: THERE we go. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I honestly can't believe that worked. You must have magic internet powers.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/miKED.jpg">Okay</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>upvotes for science</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm a current biomedical student, is this seriously the kind of working rythm i'm gonne get? Sounds awesome.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You have a funny definition of awesome. Graduate student here by the way, staying overnight right now for a time-point, which means half anhour of actual work to be done at 2:30am, and the rest spent browsing reddit/dozing off on the sofa.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm confused. Is that not the case elsewhere?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not if the reason you're doing it is because you NEVER LEAVE.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I think this is a valid point. He must practically live there.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's generally looked down upon at large US law firms despite the fact that 16+ hour days and back-to-back all nighters are fairly common place. A few firms have cot rooms where it's acceptable if you truly are working non-stop. But the general expectation is that if you need to finish the work to meet a deadline, you stay awake, unless you physically can't. Then you take the professional risk, go home and make sure that someone else can pick up the slack.</p> | |
| <p>I can'y help but note every time I mention these incredible hours and expectations, the amount of time lawyers (and other professions) spend each year working for the government. In the first 5 months, many workers are putting in more than a year's worth of work (on an 8-hour a day bases), but don't see a dime of it. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Exactly. And then people whine about 1st years making 6 figures and being 'rich' when it's like, dude, they work 2400+ hours a year doing stuff that requires significant schooling and training. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In Canada, two 15 minute breaks in your 8 hour day is legally required (in addition to your lunch). I suppose you could do whatever you wanted in those 15 minutes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Some (most) places in the US have a required 30 minute break (or, as you said, two 15 minute breaks) if you work 5 or more hours (which would really only be an issue if you work part time) or every four/five if you work more than 8 hours.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My husband works 12 hour plus days in refineries; there are no breaks. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What City, State, Country are you in?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Russia</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Everywhere I have worked recently has had "required thirty minute off clock break, and 2 on clock 15 minute breaks, as required by the state" and then what I actually get is 2 on clock 5 minute breaks. Ain't that some shit. </p> | |
| <ul> | |
| <li>former salesman. </li> | |
| <li>current cook.</li> | |
| </ul> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You get breaks as a cook? The only way I got a break was if I was smoking. Nothing quite like getting yelled at for taking 5 min to catch my breath when the smokers burned one an hour, taking 10 min at a time. This is a big reason I am no longer a cook. Well, that and the fact that I make about 4x as much now.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I worked as a bowling alley mechanic and they told me it was fine to sleep as long as I woke up for service calls. It was a pretty amazing job. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How in the hell could you fall asleep back there with that noise?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>At first I had the same thought at first but the sound is rhythmic and with hearing protection on it wasn't too loud. So essentially it was like sleeping with a loud box fan. It also helps quite a bit when most of your shifts are in the am after a night of partying. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I can sleep virtually anywhere.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think it is stupid we don't get a 15 minute nap. Companies don't understand that that 15 minute recharge us a little better making us a bit more productive. For me it's like that.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wrong. State employee!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Only if you want the luxury of crappy health insurance, and one whole glorious week of vacation a year.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Shit, if a 15 minute nap during a 12-hour day is considered bad then I don't want to live on this planet anymore. I get to about 8 hours in the day and I am about ready to go pass out...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not sure about the custom in China, but in Japan, falling asleep from exhaustion at work is viewed in a positive light - indicating overwork.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm an overachiever, as I have overworked after about 15 minutes on the job.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Did someone mention catching some eh's? </p> | |
| <ul> | |
| <li>Canada</li> | |
| </ul> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In Canada we catch zed's :P</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I know him, he is <strong>Ri Cha Jing</strong>!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://tinyurl.com/43ynx4o">wrong place to sleep</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I could fap to that.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Title Level: Reddit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It really is. What he is doing is not even remotely related to any Asian stereotype I've come across.</p> | |
| <p>Apparently if the title is not a beaten dead horse catchphrase it's not going to get any upvotes. Whether or not it makes sense is irrelevant.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think "asian" has just come to mean "highly-skilled" when used in this sort of context.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Pretty sure in this case it just means "look, there's an Asian person doing it!" I mean damn, stuff like this exists in lots of warehouses. In one I worked at we didn't need it, because there was one special pile of rolled carpets you could pop up on to and it worked great.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>But it's still racist.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Seriously. What does this have to do with his ethnicity? It's like some kid from a fly-over state sees a picture of a person of Asian decent and says "OMG take a looky o'r here, pa! We got us one of them squinty eyeds! Ain't it funny, pa?"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Snake? Snaaaaaaaaaaaaaake? Oh, you were just sleeping.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>And suddenly he's in madagascar.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>These 'levels' are getting lazy</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How do you feel about "Diligence level: Fed-Ex employee"?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Am waiting for FedEx PR to respond ..........</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>When I read the title I expected to find an Asian vehemently at work. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He is.... he's dreaming about work while sleeping on the job. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>My god.. That's like falling asleep during sex and then having a wet dream.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yo dawg...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>NO.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Doing invoices in his sleep.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He's already completed his work and is taking a well-deserved break.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This is nothing. I used to sleep upright in hanging sleeping bags at a mountain sports shop. Once, I heard my boss go by muttering "where is he? He's like a rabbit and this is his warren". Level: Scouse.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And if I was the manager I would ever-so-quietly patch up the boxes and ship him to Laos.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How do you know he's lotion?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>So. You're from the ocean?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>"No, <em>Laotian!</em>"</p> | |
| <p>"So...are you Chinese or Japanese?"</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Because otherwise he'd get the hose again.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'd pay ridiculous amounts of money to watch this film.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://thepiratebay.se/">Me too.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>reminds me of when I worked for a big defense contractor shipping 3rd shift and we had a whole apartment at the very top of the racks including a sony watchman that we watched johnny carson. All made of huge boxes, we had chairs up there and would get a couple cran-apple drinks and cigs from the machines in the hall mix up some vodka cape codders and watch carson. I'm an old redditor I guess, carson was a comedian that had a show back in the day in case you don't know. The younger generations have no fucking idea how much effort it took to fuck off compared to today</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not to mention how difficult it was to get porn, or how long it took to get a hold of your weed dealer.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A guy I used to work with would sleep at his desk - fully upright and with great posture - with one hand on the keyboard and one hand on the mouse. If you were walking by, you'd think he was working. If you walked by multiple times, you'd realize that his screen and position never changed.</p> | |
| <p>He was fired.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not entirely sure what the fact he is Asian has to do with anything?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I don't understand this "Level: Asian" business.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't understand. Is the level: Asian thing just a thing?</p> | |
| <p>As in, it doesn't even have to be extraordinary or anything, the guy doing it just has to be Asian, and he's sooooo different that it's a different level?</p> | |
| <p>Sleeping at work level: BLACK</p> | |
| <p>Yeah brah. Thanks for treating me as a perpetual foreigner, despite my being born here and living here my whole life. I really appreciate it, fucker.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Racist level: Reddit</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Casual racism level: Reddit</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>i'm pretty sure it that was a black guy in the picture and you put "sleeping at work level: black", you'd be downvoted to oblivion. but since it's an asian dude, racism is a-okay. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>i'm pretty sure it that was a black guy in the picture and you put "sleeping at work level: black", you'd be downvoted to oblivion</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Except this is <a href="/r/funny">/r/funny</a>, so that shit would go straight to the front page, followed by 1000 comments making the same watermelon and fried chicken joke.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Am I the only one who sees MissingNo. in the second picture?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I work for a Japanese company in America. I see asian guys asleep at their desks constantly, especially around lunch time. Apparently the Japanese are really more about perceived work time than actual hours spent working. So if you have 2 salaried guys, where one works a 9 hour day, then goes home, and another works 11 hours, but spends 3 sleeping at his desk, they would be much more likely to fire the 9 hour guy because he is perceived as being at work for fewer hours. </p> | |
| <p>On a side note, I love it because I can sleep at my desk at work and everyone is just so used to seeing it that they don't even notice.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Went to an office in Taiwain, they slept at their desks too.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I don't see what this has to do with being Asian.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.funniez.net/Pictures/funnypictures/35-funnypix/99-sleepingatwork">Some other suggestions for sleeping at work</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>WOW. Thank you for linking me to that article. Apparently I was the 100,000th visitor to that site and have won!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I wish my snoring wasn't so ungodly loud. I'd totally do this.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I had a great little spot in the archives section when I interned at an engineering firm. My default "busy work" was to continue archiving old files into the computer. I'd start nearly every friday by scooping up the circular section (Fry's electronics ad) and the leftover donuts from the weekly friday meeting, then parking myself on an old broken chair between the boxes of archived files. </p> | |
| <p>I got caught after about 6 months and fired. Apparently someone needed an archived file, saw me, brought the COO to witness me sleeping first hand, and fired that afternoon. When he woke me, he said "shouldn't you be collecting the garbage right now?". Collected the garbage and as I tossed out the last bag I got paged to come to his office and promptly fired. </p> | |
| <p>I was 17 and a high school senior at the time. Donuts, fry's ads, and sleep were basically my life at the time. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I used to work in the warehouse of a mannequin distributor and when I was hungover and tired I'd sleep in a mannequin box. I'm co-owner now.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In our warehouse he'd be killed by a forklift truck. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>If I had a nickel for every time I saw a title similar to this, I could probably own Sudbury.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>why didn't this guy just stack the boxes horizontally and lie down.would've been more comfortable.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Could have made it horizontal and lain down.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I don't know why race needed to be mentioned but holy shit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Because the OP is a racist.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sleeping on the job, level <a href="http://youtu.be/W__qCFWi1KA?t=28s">George Costanza</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>similarly related:</p> | |
| <p>I once worked at a fairly large grocery store on night shift and while on lunch one night we discovered a cut hole in the wood that was the barrier between the 2nd floor employee area and the dropped ceiling that covered the entire remainder of the store.</p> | |
| <p>Originally just a few of us knew of this hole, and it was large enough to deposit things into, things which you would only put in if you were sure you never wanted them back. Things like unpaid for TV dinners and other food, chocolate bars, drinks, magazines, just about anything you can think of in a grocery story.</p> | |
| <p>Months and months go by. More people find out about the magic hole and more and more people are contributing to the contents of the bottomless pit.</p> | |
| <p>One day I was schedule to work in the morning so instead of working the night before I have it off. I come in and there are a few panels of the ceiling at the back of the store moved aside, an angry manager and a MOUNTAIN of garbage on the floor with customers trying to navigate around it.</p> | |
| <p>Apparently what happened was after months of 'contributions' the ceiling tiles (same kind you'd have in a cube farm) began getting saturated with whatever goo was leaking from hundreds of boxes cans etc and it started leaking directly onto the floor. So the manager opened up the tiles to see what was leaking and got a face full of garbage.</p> | |
| <p>I'm just glad I wasn't the one that had to clean it up, clean up was already in progress when I arrived. I immediately had to go to the front of the store to 'work'.. aka laugh my ass off!</p> | |
| <p>There really weren't any good sleeping spots though, or I would have found them. That would have been the ultimate. Though we did sometimes hide from our supervisor on our lunch break because he was stupid enough to spend his lunch looking for us. We'd hide behind the mountains of overstock on the 2nd floor, set up an area where we could see him but he couldn't see us.</p> | |
| <p>Lots of other crazy shit went on at that store but that was the most memorable.. the bottomless pit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Racist, he wasn't sleeping. His eyes were open and he was wide awake.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>At the engineering/construction firm I work for in the US, we actually require the field staff take an hour break everyday no matter how busy they are, and provide them with a place to nap if they want so they can be productive during the rest of the day outside that hour. And this is with a typical 9-5 shift, not some ridic 16 hour shift. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Back when I was a freshman at Drexel, my asian roommate basically lived in the library. I would go there to study and I would always find him on some random couch or in some random room sleeping. Rarely, was he ever sleeping back at our dorm. We had many classes together, and one day in one of our business classes, the topic of studying abroad came about. Our professor turned to him and asked, "what was your motivation to travel from North Korea here for an education?" and my roommate replied, "In all seriousness, I was doing school 18+ hours a day there, here I can sleep 18+ hours a day." </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>HAHA RACISM</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What would the title of this be if he wasn't Asian [American]...and would this post still have made the front page?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It would have made the front page, but they wouldn't have called him "white", because as you know, white people are the norm and anything to the contrary must have some descriptor with race so whiteys don't get confused.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's true. Not sugar coated. But true.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>creativity level: zero.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Overuse of the "level" joke level: reddit</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Slacker - he should show some real commitment and put the other side of the boxes back on.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Until a forklift crashes into some boxes, well, nothing breakable in them so it's ok.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Think I beat him. I used to work in layaway in walmart. The way the layaway bins work is they are motorized shelves that you can move left or right to get into. A person would put a small mattress on layaway, so I put it on a bottom rack in the shelves; I would then close both shelves so I they were almost completely closed off. put big empty boxes on the other end so nobody could see me, but I could make a clean getaway by just pushing the boxes out in a pinch. During slow days I would sleep on the mattress for hours at a time; people just assumed I was back there working in the bins somewhere.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wouldn't it make more sense to have the open side against a wall?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It would work better against the wall, you reckon?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"Why are these boxes snoring?"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>At my first job I was a custodian at a local business. There was a loft in the storage area for cleaning supplies that people weren't allowed to go up to, and I would stack boxes at the edge of the loft and sleep on a bean bag behind them. Greatest job ever</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Solid Snake would be proud</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>At walmart we used to have this employee that would dissapear ever night then reappear like during cleanup time before we go home. They followed him oen day on the cameras and found out he was going to tire and lube and stack up a set of tires and go to sleep in the middle of it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sleeping at work level: Solid Snake</p> | |
| <p><strong>FTFY</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I used to work at a factory that made car jacks for various manufacturers in NA, Europe and Japan. One of the long-time workers was a guy from Vietnam and had the habit if ducking into shipping containers for a little power nap between working double shifts etc. One day we noticed he was missing. After searching high and low, we found him - still asleep - in a partially filled, sealed container that was about to be shipped out from the factory to...Toyota....in <em>Japan</em>.</p> | |
| <p>TLDR: A co-worker almost got shipped to Japan sleeping on the job</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nice casual racism. This needs to be against a wall anyway</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Downvoted for the stupid "level" thing. Its getting old.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What's in the box?!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Funny pic, but this "level: Asian" has become a bit racist.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's not the harmless race joke that bothers me. its the fact that people can only communicate through memes. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Jesus Fedex has been getting some bad press on the internet lately.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I went to school with this Asian girl, she would always sit in the very front row of the class. She came in tired one day, and started closing her eyes to sleep. The teacher notices, approaches her and yells "Are you sleeping in my class?!?" to which she replies "... uhm, I'm Asian, Sir?" </p> | |
| <p>The instructor immediately turns red from embarrassment, turns around and starts teaching the class again. Best use of racial stereotyping to get out of trouble I'd ever seen.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Post level: Racist</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TIL I cant look at this picture of Gabe without seeing him shirtless with big muscles.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>With hair in all the right places...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And matches the color of his beard...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Girl look at dat Gaben.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><em>sigh</em></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I eat ouuut</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I made an awesome service and it's practically free</p> | |
| <p>Microsoft and Sony stand there gaping at me</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I got a loyal group of fans and I ain't afraid to show it, show it, show it....</p> | |
| <p>I'm Gaben and I know it. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Jiggle jiggle jiggle jiggle, yeah.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TWO MORE YEARS!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>WHEATLEY WHEATLEY WHEATLEY WHEATLEY WHEATLEY YEAH</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Is there a rule 34 for him?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You should not invoke such things so carelessly. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Do not call up that which you cannot put down.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ron Jeremy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>yes</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Anyone else think that Gaben would make an excellent Cog in GoW?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><strong>SCUMBAG REDDIT:</strong></p> | |
| <p>Knows Gaben has work to do</p> | |
| <p><strong>Emails him all the time</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The reason hl3 is taking soo long?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hoooooleeeee shiiiiiiit</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My prediction for 2021: Half-Life 2: Episode 3 trailer released.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><em>Teaser</em> Trailer </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>*annoucement for Half-Life 2: Episode 3 trailer released.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/ZZOJJ.jpg">Whoa</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/Cx1WC.gif">Ohhhh shit.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He's so much older than I thought, whoa. What a dude</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>We must send him an e-mail asking about it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I came here to say something similar to this lol. +1</p> | |
| <p>I wonder if he's going to answer emails now that all of reddit thinks he'll answer.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Actually, it was /v/ that started emailing his ass all the time, then Reddit of course started doing it years later because that's what Reddit does.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I wonder how much he really made from half life and steam?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>1.5 billion is his current net worth.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Really? How much of that comes from steam?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And by extension how much of his assets is liquid.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Steam is a gas.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How do I express my appreciation for that pun in comment form without getting downvoted?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Upvote it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's not comment form</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Comment form = "I upvoted your witty comment because I am not as witty as you. Now give me karma because I commented."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>aka "I'm an attention whore... FOR YOU"</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hypocrite. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Self reference! </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You make another pun. No other way.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Not like that.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Vapor, actually.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Vapour, actually.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Vapouir, actually.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That means HL3 could be vaporware.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><em>gascias</em> for that joke </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Gas is a liquid.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That is not by extension.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Anyone got a joke about solids?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKKEE!!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>badger badger badger badger badger</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Nope, too far.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes it is. He's taking the idea that part of Gaben's net worth comes from steam (which is a humorous misinterpretation of Steam, as in the game distribution platform) and extending it to include other phases of matter.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ah, a solid example of a misinterpretation. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Mm, well it sure didn't phase me.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>.5 Billion from game sales. 1 billion from hat sales. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/profile/gabe-newell/">http://www.forbes.com/profile/gabe-newell/</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Whoa, He dropped out of Harvard. TIL</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>To become a Microsoft Millionaire. He was a millionaire before he started Valve.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That is some kind of new hipster level I am unknown of?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, it was cool to work for Microsoft back when Microsoft sucked. Now that they are cool it sucks. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Dropping out of Harvard is without a doubt the best way to become a billionaire. Probably the worst thing you could do after being admitted to Harvard is successfully graduate.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Wealth is so crazy. This guy makes Mitt Romney look middle-class.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>And even more of a douche</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Your timing asking this question is nothing short of incredible. Forbes posted an article about his net worth only <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidewalt/2012/03/07/valve-gabe-newell-billionaire/">2 hours prior</a> to when you asked.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Indeed. One day my children will ask me, with tears of awe in their huge eyes, "shortyjacobs, where were you when Palsgraf_Train asked The Question?"</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Silence will fall when the question is asked...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>If owning Steam came with a clause that I also had to give up my virginity to Gabe, I would have done it in a heart beat.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Surely gabe could last longer than that.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm sure a lot but I would assume the majority of his wealth comes from the work he did for Microsoft on the early Windows systems. I would bet Valve and Steam turned his millions into a billion.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wrong. His wealth came from hats.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hats is always the correct answer</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>One Billion Hats!!! Muahahaha</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>"one billion hats, ah ah ah."</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>do you not realise that those two sentances directly contradict eachother?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He looks a lot like Robin Williams in this picture.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm not a big gamer and thought the picture of Gabe with muscles was Robin Williams. oops!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Came here to say that. When did Mr. Newell become... substantial... Robin Williams?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><em>It's not your fault, son.</em></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I was going to say Price from Modern Warfare.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I think he looks too much like the bad guy from the newest Sherlock Holmes movie.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>After misreading the picture and thinking it was a great name for him - I propose we now refer to rich people who are brilliant, as "Brillionaires".</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Good PR is part of making money.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Maybe but not many rich and famous people address their PR personally and one customer at a time.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Maybe he only hires people with the first name Gabe. </p> | |
| <p>Dear REDDITORRRR,</p> | |
| <p>I am inspired by Beth's actions and decided to give you a free copy of Portal 2.</p> | |
| <p>Sincerely, | |
| Gabe</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Gabe N</p> | |
| <p>Gabe Neilson</p> | |
| <p>Gabe Netherlands</p> | |
| <p>Gabe Nutella</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Nutella</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Indeed. (+3 months).</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hey, did you guys know Gabe answers your E-mails?! What a good guy!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>One of the few famous people who actually responded to several of my emails... from 2004 to today.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I hear the more emails you send them, the more likely you are to receive a response. After sending 2000 emails to Tom Cruise, I finally got a response from him! Although it was from his lawyers... so I don't know if that counts or not. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><em>HAH</em></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Sounds like Tom Cruise needs to hire an IT guy to setup a spam blocker.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>But how else will I sell him premium viagra?!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You got the PREMIUM stuff??? We need to talk!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It turns your dick into DIAMOND. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Now that just sound dangerous, but would come in handy of you were a cat burglar</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hahaha. All you see on the security tapes is some guy with his erect dick pressed up against the glass ...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>and shoots out CHOCOLATE.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Was that what you were waiting for?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>A certain shade of green?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Good guy Gabe</p> | |
| <p>Is a billionaire.</p> | |
| <p>Still dresses and grooms himself like a hobo to not make you feel inferior.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thank you for saying it. He is looking ROUGH. I'm sure he cares not of the ladies anyways. Too much HL3 to think about.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Also, dat beard.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Goodguy Gabe: Gets hundreds of -emails from r/gaming and thinks most of us are retarded. Answers them anyways.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Or what if he has enough money ...</p> | |
| <p>keanumeme.jpg</p> | |
| <p>To pay people to answer his email?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>NO! HE PERSONALLY ANSWERS DOZENS AND DOZENS OF EMAILS FROM FANS AND CUSTOMERS EVERYDAY BECAUSE HE DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE ANY WORK TO DO!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>just knowing that gabe's hunky sexy body told someone to answer those emails is good enough for me </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>No joke! I sent him and email to see if he'd want to go on <a href="http://www.podcast17.com">Podcast 17</a> for an <a href="http://www.podcast17.com/interviews/audio/gabe-newell/">interview</a>...He responded back with "Yes." and that went on to be one of the best moments of my life.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm starting to believe the man is really Santa.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm curious to find out how much money was made from the "Something special for someone special" thing in TF2. $100 each, there were a metric shit-ton of them on valentines day, and you still see them from time to time.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>About the whole US economy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yeah that had me curious too. Rich people wasting money</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>totally read the bottom line as "reads youre mail" and i was going to insult you mercilessly, but i see now that i'm wrong.</p> | |
| <p>but still, fuck you</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What if you are mail? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What if dog is mail?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Love this guy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>So brave.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Gabe should invest his money in earbuds and make a ton of money!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>buy earbuds for 33 dollars, sell for 25 keys, sell keys for $1.45 each, BAM! Three dollar profit!</p> | |
| <p>(sadly, people really do this)</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><pre><code>Gabe should invest his | |
| money in earbuds and make | |
| a ton of money! | |
| </code></pre> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>As played by Robin Williams!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Good Will Hunting era.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Good Gabe hunting.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>i'm going to see about a game.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>steve jobs did that too.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He's really supportive of craftspeople too, all those pictures of him with knives are of handmade knives he's purchased. I make a related wood product and he purchased the nicest thing I make and also sent me a gracious note after the purchase. He has an excellent reputation amongst knifemakers.</p> | |
| <p>Here's something he commissioned: <a href="http://www.brucebumpknives.com/images/Newell2.jpg">http://www.brucebumpknives.com/images/Newell2.jpg</a> and here's the WIP thread with pics of each step of the process: <a href="http://knifedogs.com/showthread.php?2254-The-Newell-45-cal-front-loader">http://knifedogs.com/showthread.php?2254-The-Newell-45-cal-front-loader</a> if anyone's into that sort of thing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Aw man, I though that was a joke. I just wished that it wasn't so that I could make him a knife as a gift.</p> | |
| <p>Thank you random stranger! It would be really great if he wanted to accept one of my knives, so here is to hoping!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Gabe totally looks like <a href="http://i.imgur.com/IxZXn.jpg">Smee from Hook</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>never answered mine! I don't care though;)I wish him the best!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Me neither, but I'm still a huge fan.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I've emailed several times. He never emailed back.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Like Steve Jobs?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Steve Jobs was famously an asshole to just about everybody.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That was the point, </p> | |
| <p>as OP implies that answering mails while a billionaire makes you a good guy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Steve Jobs was a good guy?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Gabe just writes "fake"</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>No that's completely different because Steve Jobs ran Apple.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>And Steve can't respond anymore. For one big reason.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Because his iPhone can't get service.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>My iPhone hardly gets service in a tunnel, never mind 6 feet under.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You're holding it wrong.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/dl0DF.gif">OH SNAP!</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Wasn't Steve usually a dick in his emails, though?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He wasn't really a dick. He was brief and to the point.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That was the joke.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Ooh. That was ironical. I confused r/technology with r/gaming. I thought you were serious.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He totally answered my Ouija board. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I am quite a noob, I don't think I have much games from valve. Any Must-play games I can buy from them? I know portal, I have 1.. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I hear battlefield 3 on origin is great according to Reddit</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Battlefield 3 is great. Originin not so much.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Half Life 1 and 2, Left 4 Dead 1 and 2, Team Fortress 2 is fun</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Just got TF2, it was free. Fun fun. Played Half life 1 when I was a kid, great fun. gunna replay that one and then play HL2 :D thx</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Not sure if trolling, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. The Half-Life series is great. HL2 is a wonderfully done fps set in a dystopian near-future (keep in mind this came out if in '06; it didn't copy anything, other games copied it), while HL1 was about a bloke in a power armor beating up weird aliens with a crowbar in not-Area 51. HL1 came out in 1998, and while it is still perfectly playable despite the obviously dated graphics, it is also interesting to see how many concepts from HL1 ended up becoming standard in modern games. There's also Counter-Strike, which started off as a mod for HL1. Two teams, weapon purchase at beginning of round, everybody only has one life per round, and based on objectives. </p> | |
| <p>There's also Portal 1&2 (Yes, play them!), and some zombie thing I never really got into. And of course Team Fortress 2! </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Thanks mate. Most games played but bot Portal 2 and HL2.. those are my shopping list Thanks. Not trolling, just unsure what Valve has produced.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>i would advise you to try the halflife series, as they are awesome. Left for dead, is in my opinion not as good, but are also solid games. They have not published a lot of titles, so try them all, there aren't a bad game among them</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>[deleted]</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/davidewalt/2012/03/07/valve-gabe-newell-billionaire/">Yes, but no.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Is also Teddy Roosevelt.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I can't look at this guy without seeing a bearded Robin Williams</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He never answered my email :(</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>not my mail he doesnt ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The funniest part is, I've emailed their sound designer just saying how awesome he is. | |
| Taht was 9 months ago with no response.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He never answered any of mine :(</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Just read up a little about Gabe. Apparently he's a Harvard drop out too, like Gates and Zuckerberg</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I AM HIS BIGGEST FAN</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What's his email??</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I think he has a bot that automatically answers all emails with...</p> | |
| <p>"No."</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>From the thumbnail, I thought it was going to say "Answers your'e mail". Was pleasantly surprised.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That man is growing what will soon be one glorious beard.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>To this day there are few people I respect more than Gabe, Paul Newman, and Keanu Reeves. Even with so much money, such huge hearts.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>And the other way around... he is a billionaire, because he answers your e-mail. You can't get that kind of publicity for money, which comes to prove: good PR > money.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Why is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUx8NEbsIa8&feature=related">Mr. Smee</a> in this Gabe Newell meme?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm still waiting for an answer to my email... from anyone in the email answering-department. But, I'm keeping my hopes up, it's only been 3 years.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Mark Cuban is another billionaire that does this. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>To be fair, Bill Gates did the same thing when he worked at Microsoft.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Valve is able to be so awesome mostly because they are a privately owned company, thus they don't have investors-who-don't-give-a-shit-about-gaming-to-please.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I've emailed him several times and gotten no reply. :(</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How long does it usually take before he responds?? Just curious.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He makes money sitting on his arse, and as soon as he replies to emails, peole plaster it all over the web. Wouldnt you do the same?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He looks like Robin Williams from Jumanji.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>hah! That's who I thought it was at first in the thumbnail. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This is one of the most pointless submissions I've ever seen.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Scumbag Gabe: Makes billions from the game industry, keeps studio small and unambitious reinvesting <1% of profits on game development.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I had no idea he had this much wealth....Goes to show that money can be made outside traditional distribution methods.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>is he REALLY a billionaire? millionaire sure, hundreds of millions very likely, but billionaire?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He knows where that money came from. Besides, what else has he got to do?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He is neither a billionaire, nor does he answer your email. He's certainly a multimillionaire, and his assets are probably worth that much. But in cold hard cash, he's never got a billion dollars. </p> | |
| <p>And just because someone replies to emails sent to the <a href="mailto:gaben@valvesoftware.com">gaben@valvesoftware.com</a> email address, doesn't mean Gabe himself is. He's almost certainly got assistants that do that stuff for him. He's got important stuff to be doing like <del>making</del> delaying Half Life 3</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Dunno why he always looks a bit pissed off to me. HL3 is stressful business I guess.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I wish there was a way to give Gabe Newell more of my money.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Gabe looks like he is really good at woodworking </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/82tTj.jpg">The specs part</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He's also Santa Clause.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He didn't answer mine and I sent one months ago so, not always, I guess :/</p> | |
| <p>I felt like the biggest loser on Earth... I was like "fuck, it's bad enough when girls shoot me down, turns out even Gabe doesn't want to talk to me."</p> | |
| <p>Oh well, that's life.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Is that really him? He looks like an old Teddy Roosevelt now.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Is he really a billionaire? Source?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Funny I never saw any of these about Steve Jobs.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That's because he was kind of a dick. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>"I think if people see this footage, they'll say Oh, my God, that's horrible. And then they'll go on eating their dinners." - from the film Hotel Rwanda</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>"You might catch a minute of this on CNN-between sports and weather." - Blood Diamond. </p> | |
| <p>Another one I like</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I forgot Joaquin Phoenix was in that movie. Don Cheadle did such a damn good job in that movie.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This Movie got me on Don Cheadle. Went on to see other great performances like Reign Over Me and Talk to Me. And it convinced me to watch other greats that I missed like the Ocean's movies and Crash. He's excellent</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>One of the most true movie lines ever.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That's hit the nail on the head, right there.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Reddit wasn't that much different a couple hours/day(s) ago.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The critical voices were upvoted a lot more.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Agreed, a good upvote can make a difference. <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001N94CCO/kony-mug-personalized-20/">Elect Kony for president 2012! Buy your Kony memorabilia today.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Don't worry GuineaRainbow, I made sure I tagged you for something that's not embarrassing </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Thats funny, because I have him tagged as "Vacuum Humper"</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>"Naystay azz vaccuum fucka"</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbeE0iI2LZg">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbeE0iI2LZg</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>I hate to latch on, but this was my arguement that was deleted by the mods of <a href=\"/r/wtf\">/r/wtf</a></p>\n\n\ | |
| <p><strong>1</strong>. Before we begin talking about this issue, lets take a look at the charity in question. Invisible Children scores a lowly 2 out of 4 for transparency on charity navigator for refusing to be independently audited (having other accountants prepare and check your books and financials) <a href=\"http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=12429\">Link</a></p>\n\n\ | |
| <p><strong>2</strong>. The IC has stated they are being shady. How you ask? They are providing misinformation to woo idealistic followers. The group have combined multiple regional conflicts to make it appear that this is one rapidly increasing issue. When confronted about their dodgy tactics, the head spokesperson stated;</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>\xE2\x80\x9CI agree with you that leading people to believe that the war is still happening in Uganda is not ethically right. It's something we've been addressing internally, focusing on getting all staff and supporters on the same page (of communication)." - Source is <a href=\"http://www.blackstarnews.com/news/122/ARTICLE/6586/2010-06-02.html\">Here</a> <em>i will hunt for a more recognizable source for you guys</em></p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>If you read the news, or even had an ounce of interest in the on-going unrest in Africa you would already know this and not be fooled. Yes, awful things happen to people in 3rd world countries but this has been occurring for centuries, it isn't a recent occurrence.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p><strong>3</strong>. The IC have <strong>CLEARLY</strong> stated their purpose is to push the US into intervening and supporting the local govenment, whom are just as corrupt as the LRA. They want US troops to get involved. I for one rather this be a UN joint mission like Libya, but my last point will point to why i think the US would want to intervene. <a href=\"http://www.thegauntlet.com/article/1320/18249/Barry-from-Look-What-I-Did-responds-to-Invisible-Children-Organization.html\">again source</a></p>\n\n\ | |
| <h2>What i have stated above is <strong>FACTS</strong></h2>\n\n\ | |
| <p>These following points are my own personal inference. Take them as you will. Call me a conspiracy theorist, crook, idiot, whatever. I heard it before when i was buying gold in 2004. </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p><strong>4.</strong> Why is this issue just now being brought up? Its funny because just recently, oil was found in northern uganda. <a href=\"http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/26/world/africa/uganda-welcomes-oil-but-fears-graft-it-attracts.html\">NYTIMES</a>. The US denies interest in wanting the oil <a href=\"http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/18504-us-denies-interest-in-uganda-oil.html\">link</a>. Yet, we sent 100 troops to go after Kony <a href=\"http://justiceinconflict.org/2011/10/16/us-sends-100-troops-to-uganda-to-hunt-kony-some-thoughts/\">link</a>. I fear another Iraq. </p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm just going to leave this <a href="http://thedailywh.at/2012/03/07/on-kony-2012-2/">here</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That's exactly what I'm trying to state to my friends. The IC isn't a reputable organization. | |
| Then it gets warped into thinking that I am a Kony follower. Ignorance is bliss.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Well to be honest. The video has a decent looking guy that travels around the world trying to fight horrible injustice in obscure places. He has a pretty cool son and an amazing film editor that seems to be very talented.</p> | |
| <p><em>I find this a threat to my own valuation of myself</em>. So I will look at the system they are using and try to expose any flaws and parade them in front of the others as to divert peoples attention away from him and his cause and onto me. The attention belongs on myself for I am doing the greater good exposing imperfections in something any rational being would expect to be imperfect.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>because people have learned not to trust things. particularly on reddit. </p> | |
| <p>i generally check the comments section first for any kind of news article. 7 times out of 10 someone has a link to another source of study or something which shows the link as sensationalist. that way i can make up my own mind.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yep, it's always the top comment.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I agree...I feel like whenever I read an article that seems to shock me, I always go back to the comments to see if it's really true...On facebook/youtube/reddit sometimes too, i feel like people just watch something or read something and make that their opinion, rather than formulating an individual opinion based on the article. I have actually had conversations with people where I've asked them to explain why they agree or disagree with something and they just send me a link to a video or article...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>and they just send me a link to a video or article..</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Shit, I do that... Guess I'm lazy at writing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>well i mean, obviously it's good to send articles or videos to <strong>aid</strong> you, but like if it's a controversial topic, it annoys me when all a person can tell me about is what they learned from a single source.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This happens all of the time. Many time the title of an article on the front page of reddit, is a minuscule quote that is taken out of context.</p> | |
| <p>I know I am going to lose a lot of you on this but, this happens quite often with Rick Santorum. I, like most of you think Santorum is an assfuck, but many of his quotes get taken out of context. Many times i read a quote from him on Reddit and say what a f*** retard. Then I go to watch the video it was taken from, or read the entirety of his statement and say hmm... that is actually not a bad point.</p> | |
| <p>I will finish this statement by saying I am against any form of Santorum in the White House</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Though Santorum does spew some stupid shit in context, too. ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>haha we're worse</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, here we just read the TL:DR of that 30 minute video (Usually in rage comic or Advice Animal form) and then we're internet activists... Except, we're somehow superior to those on Facebook... Because, you know, "Facebook sucks"...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-PnDZmngAhM/Sa_KBGNySiI/AAAAAAAAAJY/uBOfiAysghs/s1600-h/IMG_2941.JPG">http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-PnDZmngAhM/Sa_KBGNySiI/AAAAAAAAAJY/uBOfiAysghs/s1600-h/IMG_2941.JPG</a> </p> | |
| <p>Lets fight the children. WITH GUNS!!!</p> | |
| <p>Also check this <a href="http://purple-bones.tumblr.com/post/18895660571/kony-2012">http://purple-bones.tumblr.com/post/18895660571/kony-2012</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's funny, because I heard about it on Reddit, followed the link, and by the time I finished the video, Reddit had already generated memes about how sick of it they were! You're a fickle mistress, webpage. I salute you!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Meanwhile on Reddit today:</p> | |
| <p>Read a single article challenging Invisible Children...</p> | |
| <p>...become the anti-activist and denounce any awareness as useless.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Aye, but that article has made me do research for my own (over the last 5 hours), so now I have sources and arguments I got by myself because of reddit and facebook. Now I have my own opinion. Mostly that Africa is fucked. As usual.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Could you post these additional sources for the curious</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/136673/mareike-schomerus-tim-allen-and-koen-vlassenroot/obama-takes-on-the-lra">This</a> was tremendously enlightening. Foreign Affairs is a very well respected journal. </p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Keep-Calm/2012/0307/Lord-s-Resistance-Army-After-long-silence-the-US-tracked-rebels-attack">This</a> was also very good. </p> | |
| <p>Kony is small fry. He's only got 200 men left. However, I would hope that the myth of social media "capturing" Kony might well spark something bigger and better in the future for grassroots movements. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This. My thoughts <em>exactly</em></p> | |
| <p>So the cause itself might be a bit sketchy, and the tactics planned might not be the best, but it will certainly make a huge dent in people's mind about how they can actually change the world if they want.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>here's a bunch of different views on this topic (top one is a pretty easy, quick read if you just wanna tl;dr):</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/">http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.wrongingrights.com/2009/03/worst-idea-ever.html/">http://www.wrongingrights.com/2009/03/worst-idea-ever.html/</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/136673/mareike-schomerus-tim-allen-and-koen-vlassenroot/obama-takes-on-the-lra?page=show">http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/136673/mareike-schomerus-tim-allen-and-koen-vlassenroot/obama-takes-on-the-lra?page=show</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=12429">http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=12429</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://chrisblattman.com/2009/03/04/visible-children/">http://chrisblattman.com/2009/03/04/visible-children/</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qlejg/kony_2012_is_a_campaign_that_aims_to_make_joseph/c3yi7d1">http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/qlejg/kony_2012_is_a_campaign_that_aims_to_make_joseph/c3yi7d1</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qjvvl/the_best_30_minutes_you_will_spend_all_week_i/c3yd1nt">http://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qjvvl/the_best_30_minutes_you_will_spend_all_week_i/c3yd1nt</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-visible-problem-with-invisible-children/">http://ilto.wordpress.com/2006/11/02/the-visible-problem-with-invisible-children/</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hope this gets to the top.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The thing I hate is people mindlessly jumping on the bandwagon. They watch the video and instantly think they're doing something great, they don't read into it, they don't check the facts. We can all agree he's a bad man and should be stopped, but people just follow the crowd and support this Invisible Children group who are not doing good.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You mean the way people are mindlessly jumping the bandwagon that says Invisible Children is a bunch of fraudsters and are duping everyone? It's a sword that cuts both ways, unfortunately. It's a bold statement to say that they aren't doing good though, they have done a LOT more than just make a video about Joseph Kony...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>But you see, I read an article where doing nothing was more helpful then doing something. It promotes independence.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm a political science major, you have no idea how annoying its been in class this week. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>History major who has studied Africa for quite some time. Nothing new here.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Please tell us more. I am serious. Always interested in the mindsets of todays' students.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Actually something incredibly awkward JUST happened in class. This girl was going on a rant about how "child pornography is bad" as if anyone could take the opposing side. I raised my hand and asked her, "What if there was a way for the government to tax it, and pay for afterschool programs." However I didn't say it with enough sarcasm. People thought I was serious I guess and didn't laugh. I wanted to die right then and there. </p> | |
| <p>That's how my day is going</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You are awesome. Don't forget that.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Once in class, we were talking about how the US wants to assimilate immigrants into our society as quickly as possible, and I said, "So the US is basically The Borg." No one laughed, and we moved on. I really need to stop doing that. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You are awkward. Don't forget that.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thanks mom</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>relevant username</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You still haven't told us about why your class has been annoying this week bro.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Oh sorry. <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/circlejerk/comments/ql41v/kony_kony_kony_kony_kony_kony_kony_kony_kony_kony/">Its this thread without the sarcasm.</a></p> | |
| <p>Having to sit through multiple classes of straight up circlejerking for an "A" is frustrating. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>haha awesome! </p> | |
| <p>Pedophile SAP - it doesn't get better than this.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I know what a lowlife ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>PoliSci has become the major of the cynical and the damed.</p> | |
| <p>/PoliSci major</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Fellow Politics student. Everyone in my class hates everyone and everything.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There is two types of polisci students the activist and the analyst. Or those who are optimistic and those who are pessimistic. Seriously.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The activist cares about emotional arguments, and the analyst cares about deliberation. </p> | |
| <p>The activist cannot see past, "Child porn is wrong, therefore the bill against child porn is good." The analyst can remember what happened the last time a wolf in sheep's clothing passed.</p> | |
| <p>There are so many pieces of legislation that are getting by simply because people are so emotional about it. Such as tax cuts because, "I want to keep my money." Healthcare because, "I don't want to pay for poor people." The drug war is especially susceptible to this because lobbyists use children as shields against criticism and label the other side as evil.</p> | |
| <p>I seriously believe that people who use emotional arguments also hide under the guise of "impassioned activist" and "optimist". The analyst gets a bad rap, but at the end of the day, they are the ones who are thinking clearly and thinking with facts and statistics that make sense. </p> | |
| <p>It's too easy to be an anti-intellectual and say that, "If we keep looking at the information, we'll never make any decisions." Analysts make decisions, it's just coming from a completely different perspective and with prudence and deliberation.</p> | |
| <p>I guess I just didn't think it was accurate when you compare analyzing a policy to being pessimistic. There are two sides of the spectrum, though, but as for right now, unless you're a existentialist who spends all of his day thinking about epistemology, then you're not being over-analytical or a pessimist at all. There are two sides of the spectum, and right now, we're too much emotional and not enough analytical. Spock 2012.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Anyone who's an activist is run entirely by emotions and can't make coherent argument? That's ridiculous. You can be optimistic and still have critical thinking.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>You can be optimistic and still have critical thinking.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>If we read back on my comment, we see that I never say that someone who is optimistic cannot have critical thinking. In fact, I said that someone who is a critical thinker is often labelled as pessimistic, which I disagree with. I'd argue that you cannot label a critical thinker as an optimist or pessimist on that quality alone.</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>Anyone who's an activist is run entirely by emotions and can't make coherent argument? That's ridiculous.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Note that that's a conclusion you came to, and not me. Please specify which part of my comment you have a problem with and try again.</p> | |
| <p>I just want to note that your comment reminds me of what I just wrote <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/qloxd/the_usda_buys_7_million_pounds_of_pink_slime_for/c3ymlj5?context=3">here</a>. Here I talk about how people have trouble with reading comprehension and then make two sentence replies that derail the discussion to pointless bickering.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Pretty much. If you want to learn how to slowly just hate things. Be a PoliSci major...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm applying for the fall but already hate everything, can I just get the diploma and save the time?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I lost my faith in humanity in my PoliSci classes =\</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Especially if you have that one "pseudo-anarchist" that's in every class. </p> | |
| <p>I hate that guy</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's more fun when you have the pseudo-anarchist and the marxist go at it in class. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Really? I'd say political science majors tend to be more critical about campaigns like these, recognizing this as sensationalist bullshit. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Never underestimate the power of circlejerking. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't even want to estimate it. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As a political science major, I wish I could say this was true. In my classes, there are usually only a handful of people who don't fall into fallacious reasoning and pointless arguments. I feel like political science professors really need to start stressing critical thinking and argumentation instead of saying "well everyone has different beliefs..." It may be different at other schools, but this is what I've observed.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The whole point of political theory is to circle jerk around 'everyone has different beliefs'. You can't blame them (us). As for political philosophy, that's even more pointless circling, but at least it's fun. </p> | |
| <p>Recognizing this campaign as sensationalist bandwagoning doesn't require critical thinking. As political scientists, we keep up with the news, we understand NGOs aren't all rainbows and sunshine, and we know that political intervention is an extremely controversial arena. We don't need a sentimental video consisting of 90% tear-jerking to see that it was intended for people who don't pay attention to the news.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I can't wait for 2013 because I am going to post STOP KONY 2012 on a slowpoke meme and get a bunch of karma.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>they will forget about Kony in 5,4,3,2...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Who?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think hes talking about the guy who crashed taylor swift's award speach.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, that's Kanye. I think he's talking about the Frosted Flakes tiger.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, that's Tony. I think he's talking about the football movie about the kid from Notre Dame.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, that's Rudy. I think he's talking about the dynamic, reflective, general-purpose object-oriented programming language. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, that's Ruby. I think he's talking about the rough European contact sport.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, that's Rugby. I think he's talking about fans of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, thats Brony. I think hes talking about the Japanese electronics company.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, that's Sony. I think he's talking about one of the main characters from Mortal Kombat.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sorry, guys. He's clearly talking about that island near Brooklyn.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>My brother goes to college in New York City. This was his status this morning (I believe they were joking):</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>His Friend: \xE2\x80\x8E"We can't just catch this guy, he has an Island in New York"<br/>\n\ | |
| Him: "With dead and mutilated children?"<br/>\n\ | |
| His Friend: "Yeah, Kony Island"</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, that's Tony. I think he's talking about a multinational electronics company based in Japan.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, that's Sony. I think he's talking about the name for a baby horse.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>"colt" or "foal" don't fit the rhyme scheme. A pony is a different animal. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>you just had to spoil the fun...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><em>sigh</em> And I felt so cheeky contributing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, that's pony. I think he's talking about that deli meat they use in cheap sandwiches.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My Facebook experience:</p> | |
| <ul> | |
| <li>A funny cat picture from George Takei</li> | |
| <li>20 friends sharing a funny cat picture they just saw George Takei post</li> | |
| </ul> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Dude, right? I don't even follow George Takei but I see everything the dude posts...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Er, the whole point of the campaign was just to teach people who Kony is. I'd say it's succeeding, and the Facebook posts about it are pretty effective.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Agreed. What's with all this anti-awareness? For things like, "Post a picture of your favorite cartoon character to raise awareness for child abuse", yes, that's stupid and useless. Who isn't aware of child abuse? But for an issue like Kony, I first heard about it because it became a hot topic on facebook and twitter.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yea I get the reddit hate for 'child abuse awareness', I dislike that 'moment' too, but this is not the same at all. </p> | |
| <p>What <strong>bad</strong> does this cause? Someone decides to donate 10 bucks to charity? Appalling! Someone has become aware of the atrocities that happen in Africa? <strong>DISGUSTING</strong> </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Agreed. I think most people are missing that point. They said they just want people to know who he is, and to help if they can. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The problem is Kony had already been hunted and is no longer a problem in Uganda. There were people doing shit before this video. Now everyone thinks they're doing something but really they aren't doing shit either even by "raising awareness". It's like watching a video in 1960 America about African-American slavery then deciding you're gonna do something about it. The problem is that issue has been resolved and the next issue is civil rights.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The differerence is Kony is still active, even if not in Uganda anymore. The problem is not solved.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I've read he's not and is almost dead. If that's true it would be like going after a giant slave owner who moved to Mexico. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well, if the news report that he is dead or cought, this Kony movement would stop really fast. But as long as he is going on doing cruel things, I don't see why people should halt any campaign.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nice try Joseph Kony</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In what way is the problem in Uganda solved? To my knowledge it is till very much ongoing. As in US troops were deployed like a <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-15317684">few months ago to fight the LRA</a>. How can you compare it to watching a video in 1960? When the issue was at its peak like a few months ago not 100's of years ago?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What does it matter to you whether he's in Uganda or South Sudan?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Is there a source for this? Id be interested in reading it</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>God damnit, WHO THE FUCK IS KONY?</p> | |
| <p>/Edit: Seriously.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If you're serious, Joseph Kony is a Ugandan warlord who kidnaps children, forces them to kill their own parents, turns the girls into sex slaves and the boys into child soldiers. He's #1 on the International Criminal Court's list of the world's worst criminals. The United States devoted 100 U.S. forces to advising and assisting in capturing him (non-combat assistance). He hasn't been captured yet and public support for the campaign is waning... mostly because almost nobody in America knows who the heck he is.</p> | |
| <p><strong>Watch the video everyone is talking about <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4MnpzG5Sqc">here</a>.</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The horrible thing is if I try and argue with anyone, I know they're gonna completely miss the point and make me seem like a dick...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>YOU R A HORRIBLE PERSON!! YOU SUPPORT KONY BUT NOT SHARING!! ALSO IF YOU SHARE THIS VIDEO WITH 10 PEOPLE AND PRESS F5 FIVE TIMES YOUR CRUSH WILL SAY I LOVE YOU AT THE NEXT FULL MOON</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Post it to reddit to gain karma!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Happened to me last night. People fail to realize that if you find yourself arguing about the moralities of child armies, you completely missed the fucking point.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You're saying "dick" as if it is a bad thing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>happens every time</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>evr tim</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/QOT4V.jpg">Not always.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Did you seriously just use Deontology as the central argument against IC? Because to be honest I don't think there's ANY social activist group that accomplishes anything without also causing a little bit of harm. The geopolitical climate in central Africa is too complicated not to fuck up once in a while.</p> | |
| <p>Not that I think IC is immune to criticism, but if you're to be consistent in that idealism you may as well give up trying to help Africa in general.</p> | |
| <p>Nice to see someone open up to viewing IC critically though, good on you for providing more information, and on your friend for finally being receptive to criticism!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I have just been posting, "Yeah this is great and all but what is there to do? Go and fight a half ass war against guerilla warfare? Look what happened in Vietnam. There is no way to win against guerilla warfare. Send guns and aid to local fighters to overthrow this guy? Look what happened with the Taliban. It's WAY too unstable of an area to send fire arms. Not to mention, we don't exactly have the money to go fight another war when we can't even give medical care to our veterans. Yeah, lets go try to find a single man with an army around him in the middle of the jungle. We went balls deep in Iraq and it took us YEARS to hunt down Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden. And who's to say that the conflict will just end when he is dead? The whole situation is fucked and I don't think there is a whole lot we can do."</p> | |
| <p>I'm glad they can't downvote me on facebook.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/CacUv.jpg">Gorilla Warfare</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Any stance other than support is taken as you supporting genocide/Kony. Sort of like people who claimed that if you didn't support the war you supported the terrorists.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Its that stupid logic of "You're either with us, or against us."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was called a cunt and apparently made someone "cry". On another note, is there any way to filter out the Kony posts on Facebook? it's really annoying.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was added to an event for this shit. The first thing it says is to buy some merch. All these ignorant fucks are getting emotional and excited about it. All they are doing is watching a single 30minute video and comming to a conclusion without any research of their own. </p> | |
| <p>This is how America is being raised. We take what we are told for fact, and don't question what is being fed to us. I may support the death/capture/whatever of Kony(If he's alive) it's been said he isn't, but this "campaign" is ridiculous. It's all about the money. </p> | |
| <p>Who would have figured that this would profit people.... | |
| That was my first thougt, and no on else got it. I hate this species. </p> | |
| <p><strong>EDIT:</strong> To answer your question: Delete those friends. That's what I did- Including family. I don't assosicate with people who can't think for themselves, or listen to reason and facts after it has been provided.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Calm down dude, its human nature to follow the crowd... Just rise above it and feel awesome for knowing you're not easily controlled</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Reddit is so condescending, the posts were on reddit earlier</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Who cares? I would rather have someone be an activist for 5 minutes instead of people just mocking them on the internet.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You sir get an upvote, I agree 100%. I am sick of these posts making fun of people who are trying to raise awareness. </p> | |
| <p>"LOOK AT HOW COOL I AM AND MAKING FUN OF THESE PEOPLE LOL UPVOTE ME PLZ LOLOLOLOL!!" Is all I see.</p> | |
| <p>People blindly do it while hypocritically making fun of other people. It's disgusting, and offense. </p> | |
| <p>They compete for that one moment of self-aggrandizing glory, then they hog the intellectual spotlight and yell LOOK AT HOW SMART I AM!!! Holding dominion over the entire pointless, shallow conversation.</p> | |
| <p>Then they continue about how fucking great they are because they were into it before it was cool. Its a god damn popularity contest.</p> | |
| <p>/end rant.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>To ridicule the awareness raising process in domains of human suffering is an exhibition of sudo-intellectualism that is devoid of heart. </p> | |
| <p>Taking a stand no matter how brief is better than complacency/ignorance, and if only one person decides to go further by dedicating their life to the cause, then it is truly a worthwhile process.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>at least people are learning something...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>what, about SOPA?</p> | |
| <p>/s</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>or as my girlfriend call it "SOAP."</p> | |
| <p>What do you think about SOAP?</p> | |
| <p>I, uh, wut...</p> | |
| <p>-_-</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I had no idea what this was about and when the picture of Kony popped up on my newsfeed I thought it was Dillon from Predator.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><strong>Invite me to a Kony2012 event.</strong> | |
| "I'll wait until I do some research thanks." | |
| <strong>Same person invites me to differently named event that's the same.</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Elect Kony for president!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Kony/Paul 2012</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><ul> | |
| <li>make satire of noble cause</li> | |
| <li>whore karma on reddit</li> | |
| </ul> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So whats wrong with that? sometimes it takes a powerful video or message like the one going around in order to raise awareness. If people didn't jump on this bandwagon, maybe nothing will change. This is a good thing, not a bad thing. For once, social media has been used to fix a third world problem, instead of for bitching about first world problems. Down with Joseph Kony! Jump on board everyone!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's how iran was freed</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm disappointed with people denouncing the importance of Kony 2012. Yes, absolutely - liking a video on facebook normally does nothing. It makes people feel good about themselves, and that's all. | |
| In this case, the entire point of the Invisible Children campaign is to make this issue VISIBLE. Even if it is just sharing a video on facebook, it's helping. Just food for thought. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>slacktivist</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The main point of the campaign is awareness. Washington will forget about it unless we keep reminding them. They're asking for money and awareness. They're not asking us to go find him.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>clicktavist</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>OP: 'I was trying to make Kony famous HOURS before facebook was.'</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Next up: | |
| <a href="http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36hguq/">http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/36hguq/</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/lnT2F.png">My facebook newsfeed.</a> I love my friends.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/PmbvB.png">Can't forget desert</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>All of the Kony posts are grouped together by facebook, I'm sure it's hardly your entire feed. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't think people are trying to make themselves look like extremely adamant social activists, they just want to share the news of Kony 2012 with anyone who hasn't heard it yet to help out as little they can. That's never a bad thing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Is Kony that guy that is now running for president in 2012? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So it's apparently better for nobody to do anything...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm doing something by paying my taxes that go to the 100 man U.S military mission to assist in the region. This issue was already being addressed before most people even knew where Uganda was. Hell, I bet they still don't know where the hell it is on a map.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Oh yeah, 100 men should be able to hunt this guy down in less than a year. We went balls deep in Iraq and it took us years to find Saddam and Osama. | |
| This is a hopeless mission.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think action over inaction is great, but as long as they're gaining all this support, I think it's equally important to question and pressure them to do even <em>more</em> good. They only used 31% of the money raised last year to support their cause- that's horrendously low for an organization. Overall, I do support them.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They're already doing nothing. "Raising awareness" isn't an actual contribution to the cause. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>However, if you raise awareness on reddit, it matters.</p> | |
| <p><strong>REDDIT LOGIC</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>it can be? word spreads, some of them donate. BUT:</p>\n\n\ | |
| <blockquote>\n\ | |
| <p>Invisible Children has been condemned time and time again. As a registered not-for-profit, its finances are public. Last year, the organization spent $8,676,614. Only 32% went to direct services (page 6), with much of the rest going to staff salaries, travel and transport, and film production. This is far from ideal, and Charity Navigator rates their accountability 2/4 stars because they haven\xE2\x80\x99t had their finances externally audited. But it goes way deeper than that...</p>\n\ | |
| </blockquote>\n\n\ | |
| <p>source: <a href=\"http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/\">http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/</a></p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150614970287933">https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150614970287933</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thank you.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>also i don't know what to believe in anymore</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No matter what happens in this world there will always be someone that opposes it. Although this is disputed, many not for profits only donate about 50% of the donations due to costs of keeping the business going.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's bullshit and you know it</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>i posted the video. hate on haters.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So yeah, the majority of these folks will end up doing nothing - but seems like this is a pretty huge fucking net that Invisible Children just tossed. There will be a ton of new supporters, donors and volunteers coming to help them fight for their mission. I don't understand the cynicism displayed towards folks who feel motivated to do good.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't see how that's a bad thing at all | |
| Video says spread the word, and people spread the word? OH MY GOODNESS.</p> | |
| <p>I heard about it through facebook, and I definitely will be doing it, so that's one person reached at the very least.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And the funny thing is I've been seeing this same cycle repeating itself all 4 years of college.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is a good thing, at least its a good cause. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I've been reading on this thread that Invisible Children is not as good a group as they seem and that they're not really doing any good. Can somebody explain this viewpoint to me?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>why would you judge someone for trying to be a good person? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I wouldn't complain - they will forget about it, but, while it lasts, it's good that people pay attention.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's better than not caring at all.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What the fuck is Kony???</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>this is a stupid post. what are u trying to do? most of them saw the movie, and reposted... whats wrong with it ? doesnt matter if they forget about it in a few days.. maybe someone who saw it , will get involved. the more people see it the better, thats the whole point of it. | |
| you're bein an ass with this post. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's true, this was the goal of the filmmakers. I think OP has a problem with how trendy things like this are here in the US. Many of the people spreading the word will probably have forgotten about it in a few days.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think OP is a douchebag. It's one thing for it be a 'fad' like a TV show, or a 'Kanye' joke, but why would anybody ever get up in arms about people trying to mobilize to do the right thing and help children? </p> | |
| <p>I saw in one of those "Kony2012 is a fraud" threads that "Kony had reduced child recruitment into the army by 80%". Like that somehow JUSTIFIED him recruiting those other 20% of children. We should back down now because Kony isn't doing the evil things as much. Just because the children are the 'minority' that it's not a big deal anymore. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Joseph Kony isn't even the worst perpetrator of human rights violation in the very CONFLICT he's in. Invisible Children supports the Ugandan dictator who made homosexuality punishable by death, and have no qualms since they believe it's "for the greater good." Kony isn't the worst perpetrator in producing child soldiers, either. This has been going on all over Africa for DECADES. By pretending this Kony 2012 has done anything to raise awareness about a problem that they don't even try to solve is ridiculous. They don't tell people to give their money/support to any organization that has been involved in this for many years (such as Amnesty International), instead they branded Kony's name and made him their boogeyman poster child that only THEY can stop. It's bullshit. Also, no real humanitarian organization advocates for military action - just FYI.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So you're saying the ICC is just full of shit by making him their #1 most wanted criminal? Can you please explain how you are an authority on this matter over and above people who have been studying it and working on it for years?</p> | |
| <p>As to the awareness, you are plainly wrong. Two days ago I had never heard the name Joseph Kony (even though I spend two months a year volunteering in Africa). Now I've heard, done some research, and agree he should be high on the list of people we stop.</p> | |
| <p>Now explain what you are doing to improve things. Explain how to address the issue without any military action. Or should I assume you're just another cynical blowhard who can't stand that other people aren't impotent and so you have to disparage their efforts?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You aren't thinking bigger picture. When else have you seen this level of knowledge about the issues in Africa? When else has a persona been visible with the issues in Africa? Never. How do you get the general public interested in something? Give it a name, give it a super villain's personality, and make it simple and short. It's marketing 1001. Does it matter if they are going after what is perceived to be the worst of the worst violators of human rights? No. Does it matter that they are going after a dude who is messed up in the head and ruined millions of lives and many children's lives? Yes. </p> | |
| <p>Of course they are going to advertise their issue as THE WORST. Of course they are going to dramatize it. That's what good marketing is and does. Without it nothing would ever get done. </p> | |
| <p>So please, hipster protesters who have been there for years before this "Konyboost2012" get off your high horses. It's as simple as people are going to try and make a difference by taking out somebody. Which, if accomplished, is much better than the nobody that has been happening for a while. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"Early in 2010, however, the Ugandan military stated that the LRA was at its weakest point in the past fifteen years. More recently, it claims there are only 200 to 400 soldiers still in the field for the LRA."</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2806583/posts">http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2806583/posts</a></p> | |
| <p>Right, "bigger picture" based on advocacy for military action against 200-400 soldiers. What bullshit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>ruined millions of lives</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>You're lying. This isn't even remotely true, nor is it even remotely possible. The LRA has never been big enough or strong enough to have THAT level of influence in Central-South Africa. The fact that you'll make up facts in your anti-anti-hipster rant that doesn't even make sense removes all credibility.</p> | |
| <p>Your whole argument "well at least someone is doing something" is complete horseshit. Do you even attempt to wonder why "Kony 2012" is centered around ONE guy? ONE guy whose threat has severely diminished to the point that he's being hunted down by every military organization in the region, and even the United States? What exactly do you think can be done MORE than what is already happening? Tell me, how the fuck does "awareness" that Kony exists help if all efforts are already being made to take him out? </p> | |
| <p>You want to believe that this is helping someone, but the reality is that it's just helping out some misguided/fraudulent people who think they can dupe people into believing they're humanitarians.</p> | |
| <p>People like you give fuel to the fire of apathy, because when people think they've accomplished their noble goal of the day by supporting a fraud charity, they've done NOTHING to help anybody but themselves. If you want to remain ignorant, that's fine - but don't expect others to.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thank you! I agree. I'm sick of all these hipster activists being bummed out that a problem that needs attention is getting a fuckload of attention. It makes no sense.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think what OP is trying to call to question is the fact that it's ridiculous how even with the Internet allowing people access to fact-check details about Joseph Kony and Invisible Children, most people are satisfied to simply watch and pass around a single video that, more or less, leaves out critical information about the issue. It seems remarkably stupid and lazy, and no doubt dangerous considering that money, lives and possibly even genuine diplomatic and peace efforts are involved. </p> | |
| <p>Trends are fine. They come and go. But this particular Internet bandwagon smells more like sleazy propaganda. Considering the amount of bullshit that travels web space, you would think people would be more critical. This unfortunately, as Kony2012 clearly showed, they are not.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My favorite part of all of this is that I was a part of an Invisible Children club at my high school. We raised money to help build schools in Uganda each year. What I love to see is people who didn't donate or support us or come to our events are posting the Kony video and acting like they're great people for doing so. They had opportunities to actually DO something for people in Uganda but I guess it's easier to post a facebook video. It's not like they were uninformed then either, Invisible Children roadies came to our school each year and gave presentations and showed films about child soldiers.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My brother did this with the Zeitgeist a few years back. He watched that ONE movie and now won't shut up about how that ONE movie changed his entire perspective. At least do more research before deciding who is screwing who over. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Personally, I find it as a relief to know that my Facebook friends are capable of posting about things that matter. I'll take Kony 2012 videos over "Omg hangin' out with mah gurlz 2nite! txt it!"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, how dare people get inspired by something!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>gotta start somewhere</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/ZlBux.jpg">This meme is actually more related.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>AMEN. It sickens me that social activism nowadays is the equivalent of Justin Bieber and Jersey Shore. Give it five minutes and all these idiots will be back to talking about Snooki and whether Justin Bieber is actually a 45 year old lesbian....</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>LETS CHANGE AFRICA FROM OUR COMPUTERS!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>YA BECAUSE THE INTERNET ISNT INFLUENTIAL AT ALL, AMIRITE</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Though this can be very annoying, I think it's a lot better that the masses be educated on such a serious topic, rather than act as though they're stupid and behind. That is simply a personal opinion though. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://imgur.com/HfQH0">http://imgur.com/HfQH0</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Exactly. I post my beef with it and the people who do it and everyone gets pissed. It's hilarious how offended people can get.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So people are learning about something horrific that's going on in the world and sharing it with others. What's the problem here? </p> | |
| <p>Regardless of whether or not you agree with what the non-profit is doing, its irrelevant to the fact that there's still some shitty things happening in Africa. </p> | |
| <p>Reddit's a bunch of Brittas. You're the worst.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1yYEDjeWA8">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1yYEDjeWA8</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I can't believe though how there has not been any video or movement like this against SOPA. | |
| After several months i could go and ask a girl in my class what she thinks of SOPA and she would be like 'SOPA what??' but after only a few days EVERYBODY knows who Kony is. | |
| I DISAPPROVE!</p> | |
| <p>Don't get me wrong, that video is really well put together and i like this whole campaign, but then again, 10$ for 2 bracelets? Bitch please</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So what? The point of the video was for it to be shared through social media and if people are compelled to post it on Facebook then they should. You're completely missing the point of this movement.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, those stupid kids thinking they change something by spreading awareness about it, how naive of them. Don't they know that there's no feasible thing they can do to resolve any issue anyway, so they should just sit around and do nothing like us normal people? It's just the hivemind mentality, they don't actually care about anything (like me), they just pretend to for circlejerk points.</p> | |
| <p>Stupid hipsters making us look bad.</p> | |
| <p>/sarcasm</p> | |
| <p>Ok, so can someone tell me what is supposedly wrong with Invisible Children and the KONY 2012 movement? I've done meager amounts of research on the subject and I watched the Kony video. I don't understand what people's problem is with it.</p> | |
| <p>"Oh, suddenly everyone is an activist and people care. Fucking poser hipsters." </p> | |
| <p>Well, yeah. <strong>THAT WAS THE POINT OF THE VIDEO</strong>.</p> | |
| <p>Jesus christ guys, is it possible that some people out there are really only trying to do something good for the world with the means available to them? I wish I could travel to Uganda or some other country and help people who are in need, but being a poor ass college student, the most I can really do is offer a few bucks to a notable charity and spread the word around a bit. I can whine and complain about the issues plaguing our own country and the 99% and all that as much as I want, but the fact is that we still have it much better off than most of the world, despite our current issues.</p> | |
| <p>There's a difference between sending a few hundred specialists to a country to arrest an infamous bad guy and sending tens of thousands of troops to Iraq to fight for a morally vague war for profit.</p> | |
| <p>Edit: speaking as an American, anyway.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>YEA LET'S SPAM EVERY VIDEO ON YOUTUBE WITH THE COMMENT "KONY 2012", WE'RE GONNA CHANGE THE WORLD INSTEAD OF TAKING ACTION</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/">http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/</a> | |
| Different perspective on things.</p> | |
| <p>TL:DR Invisible Children dont make the best use of the money they recieve, and they are not very transparent about this.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>all this guy does is talk about how bringing awareness to things isn't always a good thing, and then at the very end of the page, it reads: "Grant Oyston [author of page] is a sociology and political science student at Acadia University in Nova Scotia, Canada. You can help spread the word about this by linking to his blog at visiblechildren.tumblr.com anywhere you see posts about KONY 2012." </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Did you read it all? Or just the first and last paragraphs?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Fuck you OP, it's an important issue that needs to be spread around.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>KANYE 2012</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://visiblechildren.tumblr.com/post/18890947431/we-got-trouble">RELEVANT</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="/allthethings"></a> <- everyone i know on facebook about Kony</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How is this a bad thing?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is so true. It's great when people care about people but they don't need to be so preachy about people not caring, when they only started caring 4 hours ago. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's not a bug, it's a feature. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>1 in 100 jars contain a free DIY beehive starter kit. Find your lucky jar and begin your dreams as a beekeeper today!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I bet I could open 100 jars.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Reminds me of a joke from <a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1865154792/the-adult-only-joke-book-20/">this book I leave on my coffee table</a>:</p> | |
| <p>A female golfer walks off the course and says to a man waiting, "Be carefull, I was stung by a bee between the first and second hole!" to which the waiting golfer replies, "Well lady it sounds like your stance is too wide!"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ba-dum <crash></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don'.......ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...........</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Well, I certainly applaud anyone wanting to open 100 jars, but take it from this old beekeeper, I've spent my entire adult life opening jars, and a program like this one can do more harm than good.</p> | |
| <p>If you only train one part of your body (and that's all a single exercise like opening jars is going to do for you), you're setting yourself up for injuries down the road. I've seen it a hundred times.</p> | |
| <p>It's like putting a powerful engine in a stock Toyota Tercel. What will you accomplish? You'll blow out the drive train, the clutch, the transmission, etc., because those factory parts aren't designed to handle the power of an engine much more powerful than the factory installed engine.</p> | |
| <p>Opening jars basically only trains the arm muscles and to some extent, the hands. What you really want to do is train your entire body, all the major muscle groups (chest, back, abdomen, legs, shoulders and arms) at the same time, over the course of a workout. And don't forget your cardiovascular work! | |
| I'm proud of you guys wanting to do this. Three cheers! Falling in love with bees, eating honey, etc., is one of the greatest things you can do for yourself. And you WILL fall in love with it if you can just force yourself to stick with it a year or two and experience the amazing progress you'll make. | |
| But do it right, okay?</p> | |
| <p>My advice, find a good tree, with qualified bees who will design your honey jars for you (especially in the beginning, until you get the hang of it yourself) and guide you in your quest for jar mastery. Thirty to 45 minutes a day, three days a week, is all you'll ever need to do (I refuse to believe anyone is so busy that he or she cannot make time for that, especially considering how important it is).</p> | |
| <p>And don't worry about being embarrassed or not being able to open the jar the first time you walk in. You have to start somewhere and almost every one of us were there ourselves at one time. So no one will say anything to you and very, very quickly you will progress way beyond that stage anyway.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>eat treadmills</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Since some people aren't getting it, <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/6nz1k/got_six_weeks_try_the_hundred_push_ups_training/c04ehte">behold</a>.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>And don't worry about being embarrassed or not being able to open the jar the first time you walk in. You have to start somewhere and almost every one of us were there ourselves at one time. So no one will say anything to you and very, very quickly you will progress way beyond that stage anyway. </p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>As a jar-opening guy myself, I can completely confirm this<br/> | |
| If I see a fat person at the jar factory, not opening jars, I'm going to be a judgemental arsehole.<br/> | |
| If I see a fat person at the jar factory, actually working up a sweat, I'm thinking "Good on ya, mate".</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't know why but this thoroughly amused me. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>it amused you because it's a meme from reddit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I've been using this reddit meme and the up/downvotes (and comments) it receives as an indicator of new vs old users of reddit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ha ha, thanks for reminding me of that epic thread.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not this shit again.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If you can't, don't feel badly about yourself. With my special training program, anyone can open 100 jars in 7 weeks</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/6nz1k/got_six_weeks_try_the_hundred_push_ups_training/">Well, I certainly applaud anyone wanting to open 100 jars, but take it from this old jar rat, I've spent my entire adult life opening jars, and a proposal like this one can do more harm than good.</a></p> | |
| <p>If you only open jars with one part of your body (and that's all a single jar type like ball jars is going to do for you), you're setting yourself up for injuries down the road. I've seen it a hundred times. Jar opening basically only train the wrist and to some extent, the bicep. What you really want to do is train your entire right arm, all the major arm muscle groups (deltoids, triceps, and brachioradialis) at the same time, over the course of a jar opening session. So, you will need to add advil bottles, and protein powder containers. Ask for the "Go Pyrex" program.</p> | |
| <p>I'm proud of you guys wanting to do this. Big jars! Falling in love with opening jars, etc., is one of the greatest things you can do for yourself. And you WILL fall in love with it if you can just force yourself to stick with it a year or two and experience the amazing progress you'll make.</p> | |
| <p>But do it right, okay?</p> | |
| <p>My advice, find any Cost Plus World Marts near you, with qualified store associates who will find a variety of jars for you (especially in the beginning, until you get the hang of it yourself) and guide you in your quest for physical wellness. Three to 5 jars a day, three days a week, is all you'll ever need to do (I refuse to believe anyone is so busy that he or she cannot make time for that, especially considering how important it is).</p> | |
| <p>And don't worry about being embarrassed or not being out of shape the first time you walk into Cost Plus. You have to start somewhere and almost every one of us were there ourselves at one time. So no one will say anything to you and very, very quickly you will progress way beyond that stage anyway. </p> | |
| <p>Now get out there and start screwing off jar caps! :-)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I want to be an apiarist when I grow up </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd say he had a fly in his ointment, but it's none of my beeswax.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well played.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As someone who's owned beehives and gotten their own honey, at least strain that shit. If you don't, you WILL get bee parts. It is a certainty</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I worked in a honey bottling plant. Not only was there a whole mess of wildlife in that honey, the bees from all around were hell bent on getting it back.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think we need an AMA</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Honey was boiled about a dozen times, and then went into bottles.</p> | |
| <p>But okay. I used to work in a honey bottling plant and have never been stung by a bee. AMA.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>if you were a bee, what kind of bee would you be?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't know anything about bees. But maybe one of those little fat furry ones.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Already the best AMA ever. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thanks for coming, remember, Rampart is out next week!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If there are often bee parts and other stuff in there when unstrained, what about when you get that kind of honey that still has the comb in there? Do they strain it and then stick it back in the jar with a naked comb in there or what?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I can verify this. I used to work for a pest control company and one of my clients was a place that bottled honey. They go their honey in 55 gallon drums and when it came in it had wax, pollen, bee parts, and even the stray leaf in it. It was also like some kind of beacon for live bees. 55 gallon drums of raw honey smell delicious by the way.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So, you're saying this is more laziness than anything?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No maaaan, straining the honey disturbs the delicate balances and structures of the molecules! Filtering out the shit nobody wants to eat would turn that honey into liquid poison because of the negative ions.</p> | |
| <p>Seriously though, why would you not strain honey before selling it? ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
| <p>edit: now that I just reached 10k karma, where do I go to cash this shit in? :)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Actually, OP bought the "un-strained" version. </p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B003EE5FMM/Product_display-20?ie=UTF8">They assume that you're going to use something like this to strain it yourself.</a> </p> | |
| <p>I still wonder how many people tried to eat it in its current state. Mmmm crunchy...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://starsmedia.ign.com/stars/image/article/975/975962/line-o-rama-ralph-wiggum-20090423033812157-000.jpg">IT TASTES LIKE BURNING</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Totally read that in his voice before I even saw the pic. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's because that's how brains work.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Enjoy your protein, dammit! Kids these days.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Some people eat raw honey regularly. I believe in parts of Africa it is the norm. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yup, I was in Kenya and when I put honey on toast, I'd try to pick out the bee parts and (sometimes) whole bees; the people I was staying with just ate it as is to save time</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Are the stingers not a problem?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's what always freaked me out, but it never seemed to be a problem. From what I can recall, the stingers of honeybees will be retracted when not in use, so would be inlikely to jab your throat on the way down. Furthermore, I think that no poison (or very little) can be transfered if it's not actively being pumped out, so dead bees are safe. You still injest a toxin, and some researchers think that the primary reason that birds avoid eating bees is not the risk of getting stung but that the toxins make them taste bad so the bigest risk might be taste (or perhaps an upset stomach). As this never seemed to be an issue, you kinda conclude that if you slather anything in enough honey, it'll taste ok.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>dead bees are totally not safe. when i was little, we had a small hive above our front door outside, every now and then bees would get inside, get mesmerized by the lightbulbs, run into it repeatedly, and eventually die. Because of this, there would be sometimes dead bees lying on the ground and little 'ol me would be running around the house barefoot and would step on one. needless to say, i would get stung by dead bees atleast once a week by stepping on them</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If this was a regular occurrence why not wear shoes, or slippers?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>read this comment totally expecting it to end with you eating dead bees </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sure they were bees and not yellowjackets (which are hornets, and cannot retract their stingers)?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You can easily get stung by a dead bee. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>To save time? I probably have the wrong idea of Kenya, but if you are eating un-strained honey, then you probably have a lot of time in your hands?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd laugh at this... but you sound just like my mother in law. She's a sweet lady, but god damn if she didn't just fall off the back of the turnip truck on her way to buy a bridge. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I... what?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>She's got the dain bramage son.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He's saying that she's gullible. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't understand this insult. But I laughed at it and upvoted anyway. I hope I don't regret this.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>Going to buy a bridge because she\xE2\x80\x99s gullible, riding the turnip truck because she\xE2\x80\x99s poor, falling off because she\xE2\x80\x99s nuts.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>I like it.</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think buying a bridge and falling off the turnip truck are both just synonyms for being naive, not crazy or poor.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This. It's sort of a southern thing. If you know someone's BSing you, your response might be, "Do y'all think I just fell off the turnip truck?"</p> | |
| <p>That is, if you're a crazy redneck.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Probably more marketing than anything. Some people want the bits of beeswax and pollen and etc in there. Strain it to get the bee parts out, and you strain the rest out too.</p> | |
| <p>Also, it looks worse than it is. Besides the obvious bee, the rest of the solid looking stuff there is probably wax and crystalized honey. Any honey that isn't treated, will solidify. It's fine, it just needs the bee scooped out and the rest heated a bit to make it a liquid again.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My go-to phrase of the week will now be, "It's fine, it just needs the bee scooped out."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's amazing how often that phrase as proven useful...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Software is oftentimes shipped raw, and left to the customer to remove the bugs.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I read that line as "it just needs to bee scooped out" and laughed at the pun =[</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't know why everyone is acting like little children over this jar of honey. It says un-strained on the damn cap. Honey comes from bees... And the wax is fine to eat... Its not like there's a human finger in the jar.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I agree, why is this even in WTF? There is nothing WTF about this...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This product is specifically unstrained. Alaysian is presumably telling the OP he needs to take that step himself before using it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nice try refined honey salesperson.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My brother's girlfriend's family are bee keepers. On July 4th, we visited their farm and they gave us each a jar full of honey, straight from the hive. It looked nothing like the pic OP posted. It was a golden color, slightly milky in color, and had chunks of honeycomb/beeswax in it. I never saw a single 'bee part' in it. </p> | |
| <p>But that's just my experience. I'm no expert.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd say that's pretty rare. I jar my own honey and usually strain it twice (through cheesecloth) before jarring it up. There are always bee bits - wings, antennae, legs. I've never gotten a whole bee before. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How do you do this? Heat in a water bath and strain into another container? Will the wax and honey re-solidify in separate layers?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>Depends much on the temperature.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>If you heat it to just under 120 \xC2\xB0F -- or heck, even 85 or so by puting it outside in the sun on a warm day, the honey will flow very easily, and the wax will remain solid; so the honey will easily flow out of the remaining comb through any strainer you want to use; but still leaving some honey clinging to the wax. I'd suggest you do this first.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>If you heat it to 150-160 \xC2\xB0F, the wax will melt too. Like oil floating on water, it'll separate into an easily removed layer on top (with the pollen and dead bees stuck in the wax right at the bottom of that wax layer). Do this second, and you'll recover quite a bit more lower quality honey.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>If you heat it over 180 \xC2\xB0F, you'll discolor both the wax and the honey; arguably damaging the honey turning it into less valuable brown sugar water according to many; and making the wax less appealing. Don't do this on purpose, but if you accidentally did it's OK.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>If you heat it over 399 \xC2\xB0F which your water bath should prevent), you'll exceed the flash point, so you'll create a fireball as the evaporating wax ignites by itself. [edit -- as thebigslide points out below, I was a bit confused here.... you probably need to be quite a bit hotter to make the fireball]</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>(source - just took 100lbs of honey from my bees over the past couple weeks).</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd probably do what you said if I made the mistake of buying this.</p> | |
| <p>I embark on a lot of quests wherein I have no clue what the fuck I'm doing just so I can try and figure it out.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think you just explained the meaning of life, more people should live like you do.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It says right on the jar that it is unstrained. They are not tricking anyone or being lazy, it's just how they do their business.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.reallyrawhoney.com/">Here's the website</a>. Looks like all they sell is unstrained, unprocessed products.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Did they just throw a hive in a blender?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That's a segment of "Will it blend?" I'd like to watch</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"OH GOD, WE SHOULD HAVE PUT THE LID ON THE BLENDER! WE SHOULD HAVE PUT THE LID ON THE-<strong><em>BZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTTTTTZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTT</em></strong>"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"Yes"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Now stop having cake day already!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/jiH1u.gif">http://i.imgur.com/jiH1u.gif</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They put the frames in a centrifuge. Most beekeepers will then heat the result to make all the less dense not-honey rise to the top, then strain it off before jarring. These guys go straight from extraction to jarring.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As a beekeeper who sells raw honey, this is lazy and unacceptable.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Time to wash that down with some unpasteurised milk.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>With possibly unavoidable straw and poop.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's really just an entire dairy cow run through a blender.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>More protein.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And shit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Which also has protein.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Apparently, it blends.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The FDA allows for a certain acceptable level of cow blood (from over-worked rashy utters) to get into the milk. So what's a little straw and poop to add into the mix?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>and that's how strawberry milk.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBYmiqad_-M">Strawberry milk</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Clicked, read title, noped right the fuck out of there.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>..and that's another thing I'll never be able to enjoy again. Thanks.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>whydoihavefoodinfrontofme</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>One of those things you just don't want to know.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's not that gross. When I was a kid on my uncle's farm we used to suck the milk straight out from the cow. Their utters would be all rashy and bloody of course, and we'd get bright cherry red lips in addition to our milk mustaches.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>........</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>It's not that gross</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Sure, why not, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>When I was a kid on my uncle's farm we used to suck the milk straight out from the cow.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Wait, what?</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>Their utters would be all rashy and bloody of course, and we'd get bright cherry red lips in addition to our milk mustaches.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>NOPE.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>At least you don't have to worry about smallpox.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>tagged as "sucks milk from cows"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>OBJECTION!</p> | |
| <p>If you sucked milk from the teat and got "cherry red lips" as you specifically described in your testimony, there would be no way for you to get a milk moustache, as you can only get those from drinking from a glass or other open-topped container!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Cow blood I am okay with. Poop is a completely different kind of substance, altogether.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If I minded cow blood, I would stop eating cows.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sometimes I'm so happy that I actually <em>prefer</em> the taste of soy milk.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Are you really that naive to think that a soy's nipples don't bleed just as much as a cow's?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I once visited a vendor at a farmers market that sold unpasteurized milk. They milked the cow that morning, jarred it, stuck it on ice (maybe dry ice), and rushed it into town. That was some of the sweetest, most succulent, most delectable, richest milk that has ever touched my lips. None of the stores around me sold it at the time (even elitist organic / health food stores) because it required a relationship with a farmer willing to rush it into town the same morning. I'd love to have more access to it though.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It depends on the state - some states you can get raw milk in stores, some you can't. In California, you can get raw milk, but it's tricky to find. In Indiana (where I live), you can get it, but it must be strictly marked "not for human consumption." There's one place that I know of in Indy that sells it as milk for pets. What you do with it after your purchase is up to you.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>None of the stores around me sold it at the time (even elitist organic / health food stores) because it required a relationship with a farmer willing to rush it into town the same morning.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Unpasteurized milk has a higher likelihood of making you sick due to the higher bacterial load. And it's not like meat, where cooking it will fix the issue. Well, you COULD, but that kind of defeats the purpose of getting raw milk in the first place. Anyway, because of this, in some places, it's illegal to sell. It's a food safety issue. That might be why the stores won't carry it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>in some places, it's illegal to sell</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Most places, actually. <a href="http://www.realmilk.com/milk-laws-3.html">Here's a list</a> of raw milk laws by state. Even the states that allow it are pretty restrictive about it. On one hand, it does kinda make sense (there is a real illness risk from raw milk), but on the other hand, people who know what they want and know the risk should be allowed to make that decision for themselves. IMO, you should be able to buy and eat whatever the hell you want as long as you know and accept the possible risks.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Are you sure you're not mistaking pasteurised for unhomogenised? Unhomogonised whole chocolate milk is the best.</p> | |
| <p>At least around here it's illegal to sell unpasteurised milk to anybody, and for a good reason. In wisconsin for the most part they use <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_pasteurization">HTST</a>. I'm not sure if they use <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-high_temperature_processing">UHT</a> for other places, but I can see this adversely affecting the flavor.</p> | |
| <p>Raw milk is one of the world's most dangerous food products. Pasteurisation of milk has been done in the USA since the 1800s. The list of diseases and bacteria are quite impressive: tuberculosis, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brucellosis">brucellosis</a> (USA's first biological weapon!), diphtheria (you've probably been vaccinated for this), <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarlet_fever">scarlet fever</a> (now available in antibiotic resistant form), <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Q-fever">Q-fever</a>, Salmonella, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Listeria">Listeria</a> (meningitis), <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yersinia">Yersinia</a> (the plauge), Campylobacter, Staphylococcus aureus, and Escherichia coli.</p> | |
| <p>I added links to the fun ones.. So keep enjoying your unpasteurised milk. Me, I want to live.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Could I have some milk? no homo.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/bvkS0.jpg">For you.</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'll check back in 6 months.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>[account created today?!]</p> | |
| <p>I look forward to seeing way more of these from you!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think I love you <3</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Be a man, drink unpasteurised human breast milk.. from a dude.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is ridiculous. We have raised bees at my house for many years now and I have witnessed the honey extraction process firsthand every time. You would literally have to purposely put that shit back in to the honey in order to get it that gross. The extraction process is super clean and I have never even seen one bit of debris in the final product, so unless they are just chucking all the waste back in to the honey I don't know how they did this.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My guess is they strained it, put the strained honey into jars to sell to regular shops, then scraped off the strainer into jars and sold it to hippies as awesome natural unfiltered honey!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hey, it's better when it's chewy!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I love bee jerky</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I used to work at a mainstream organic farm in Bellingham, WA. We ran out of turnips one day, so my boss told me to pick some up from Hagen's grocery store and just tumble them around a bit in the ol' "boo barrel" so that they looked and smelled organic. What's the boo barrel, you ask? I'm going to tell you.</p> | |
| <p>This organic farm's selling point was that all vegetables were grown using human fertilizer. That's right, human feces. The boo barrel was a big barrel connected to the port-a-potty behind the farm that all the employees shat into. Well I shouldn't say all the employees, because you had to follow certain diet restrictions. For example, you could not shit into the boo barrel unless you were a vegetarian, only ate organic food, never drank alcohol or did drugs, etc.</p> | |
| <p>So anyway, the boo barrel didn't just consist of human poop, but also dirt that we mixed into it with pine cones, sand dollars, goat heads, frisbees, liposuction fat, etc. I threw the turnips into the boo barrel tumbler for five minutes or so and then put them up for sale. I had to cover my laughter watching all the hippies come up and smell the turnips, exclaiming "Oh, these turnips smell so fresh!" If they only knew!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Who was shitting frisbees and liposuction fat?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What did I just read.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>goat heads</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Fuck. You.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hippy spotted!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Butt worms pedophile spotted!</p> | |
| <p>(Wait, ew.)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>RES has you saved as butt worms pedophile. ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>that's not RES (unless you did it as well)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Maximum overtroll...</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Was the liposuction fat from organic vegan straight-edge overly image-conscious folks because that seems impossible, but not quite as impossible as this story.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Organic vegan straight-edge overly image-conscious fat makes the best soap.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>anyone who believes this should PM me immediately because I have got some GREAT investment opportunities for you!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The fuck?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TIL that most of my hippie friends who go to western probably eat poopy turnips. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My old employer is probably paying your hippie friends (from Fairhaven, no doubt) two bucks a kg to come over and poop into the boo barrel.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Extraction from man-made hives is very clean because you can put the individual frames in a centrifuge and nothing but honey comes out the bottom. This product doesn't appear to be aimed at your garden variety tree-hugging hippie, but more to your complete and total locavore vegan and wouldn't surprise me if the honey was harvested from wild hives. In which case the comb would probably be broken into pieces and then crushed to extract the honey.</p> | |
| <p>I met a bee-keeper in North Carolina that had a great commercial extraction setup that was USDA inspected that he used to produce honey sold in grocery stores, and a small unit that looked like a wine press that was on his back porch were he extracted honey from wild hives. He had found hives in the exterior walls of homes, trees in public parks, and I met him when bees built a hive in an scraped out VW bug that I was buying. (I got $100 off the price of the car because it was full of bees and he charged me $50 to get them out!)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't think that most "total locavore vegan"s eat honey and bees.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>locavore vegan</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>I've never met a vegan who would be OK with a dead bee in their honey. I don't think most are OK with honey in general.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>For the record, the <a href="http://i.imgur.com/xKowJ.jpg">rest of the honey</a> is <a href="http://imgur.com/154Ix">pretty pure</a>.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why raw honey?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Because I'm a dirty CSA-subscribin', local-food-eatin' hippie. And it's supposed to be better for you than the heated and filtered stuff (tastes better, for sure. Much easier to eat straight out of the jar).</p> | |
| <p>Plus, I have to admit I've always sort of enjoyed the "Will there be bee parts?" gamble. I just never expected to actually win!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm imagining OP just sitting down on his couch and sticking his whole hand in the jar and eating it like Winnie The Pooh.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I try to use a spoon, mostly because this stuff is pretty thick and hard to get out with fingers.</p> | |
| <p>But I am usually sitting on the couch.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In the woods. With Christopher Robin.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Tigga please. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm just imagining Winnie The Pooh doing it now and that's good enough for me. Related smileyface. :)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Leaving all that wax mixed in is like using dextrose fillers in processed foods to increase weight without increasing expense. Telling you that eating honey with wax is healthier might be a flat out lie to sucker you into buying 8 ounces of honey and 2 ounces of wax and bee parts.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>But you can chew on the wax like it's delicious honey-flavored gum.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There isn't really any wax past that first thin layer, though. If I get a spoonful of the stuff underneath, it dissolves into tea just as cleanly as the stuff from a squeeze bottle.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>FYI bees wax also dissolve in hot tea.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How could running that shit through a strainer make it less healthy?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Because the <a href="http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adnature.html">naturalistic fallacy</a>, that's why.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why not strained though? I mean...at least for like a mm or hell even 2?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It took me far too long to figure out what your support for the Confederate States of America had to do with raw honey.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>no, you win the gamble when there <em>aren't</em> any bee parts.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't know about you, but that's not how I live my life.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wait, so there was some variety of honey you used to consume that was somehow difficult to eat straight out of the jar?</p> | |
| <p>I've bought local organic honey before but it was pasteurized and strained, which is how I like it. I don't want fucking gross bee parts in my damn toast condiments. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>I don't want fucking gross bee parts in my damn <strong>bee vomit.</strong></p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>FTFY</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't know about you, but if I leave my honey uneaten for a while it gets grainy and then you have to warm it up and its a pain in the butt. All I wanted was some honey for my tea and it becomes an archeological extraction.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If it's pasteurized and strained, there's no beeswax in it and it'll have the crystal clear syrupy texture most supermarket honey has.</p> | |
| <p>I like the texture of beeswax, I grew up eating honey and beeswax on toast, it's delicious. And unpasteurized honey crystalizes into a semi-solid paste. If I want it liquid again I can just heat it a bit, but I like it better solid. Has a texture more like jam.</p> | |
| <p>Health-wise, pasteruization isn't necessary for honey. It's already antimicrobial, the sugar content is so high it literally can't rot. Honey kills microbes in other things, that's why you can preserve fruit in it. Pasteurization just changes its texture; Americans tend to prefer syrupy honey, but Europe tends to prefer crystalized honey.</p> | |
| <p>And, well, it's just a bee. They made the stuff. I got a big 5 gallon bucket of honey recently (mead making FTW!), with a couple bees still in it. Just scoop them out, the rest is fine.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Strained is good, pastuerized is pointless and destroys the flavour and health benefits of it (unlike most alternative stuff, raw honey has been proven for a lot of things scientifically and is being used in hospitals as well as being studied further, but that's a side point). Pasteurization doesn't get rid of anything, because honey is naturally antimicrobial, antifungal, etc; it just keeps the honey from crystallizing for longer, to give it a longer appealing-looking shelf life. But you can reverse crystallization just by dunking the jar in some warm water.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Somewhat relevant:</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/11/09/most-honey-sold-in-u-s-grocery-stores-not-worthy-of-its-name/">http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2011/11/09/most-honey-sold-in-u-s-grocery-stores-not-worthy-of-its-name/</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>An alkaline-forming food, this type of honey contains ingredients similar to those found in fruits, which become alkaline in the digestive system. It doesn't ferment in the stomach and it can be used to counteract acid indigestion. When mixed with ginger and lemon juices, it also relieves nausea and supplies energy. Raw honey is the healthiest choice amongst the various forms of honey as it has the most nutritional value and contains amylase, an enzyme concentrated in flower pollen which helps predigest starchy foods like breads.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>(<a href="http://www.benefits-of-honey.com/raw-honey.html">source</a>)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Downvote for alkaline-forming</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Mmm.. I would so eat that honey. I love the opaque stuff with a lighter hue to it. I've only had it a few times while traveling, but it was the best damned honey I'd ever had. Is that what raw honey always looks like?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Beekeeper here. Heating honey can denature its healthful and delicious flavonoids. There is, however, no reason not to strain it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>son of a beekeeper who is a daughter of a beekeeper here. I agree, heating it is unnecessary, but not straining it is kind of gross. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Neighbor of a person who is a cousin to a beekeeper here. Yes Straining dead bee's out of my honey would make it more appealing to spread on toast and stuff.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>tell me more about your lineage</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Is there a good reason to buy unprocessed honey, or is this just a clever attempt to market an unfinished product as "more natural"?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Unfiltered is debatable, but pasteurization does nothing beneficial for honey (it's also antimicrobial and antifungal and so on, you can and some scientists have safely eaten honey from ancient Egyptian burial tombs). It has a lot of <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2063588/Honey-The-bee-penicillin-beat-MRSA.html">medical, scientifically proven</a> benefits, but those aren't really important just for eating (most of them are for applying to skin diseases and wounds).</p> | |
| <p>Pasteurization destroys the delicate flavours, though, breaking down enzymes and so on, and making honey much more just like a sugar syrup. And like I said, as there is absolutely no reason to pasteurize it (which is done only to extend the nice-looking shelf life, as raw honey will crystallize, which can easily be reversed by putting the jar in warm water), you're just ruining perfectly good honey.</p> | |
| <p>For the record, the only "dangerous" thing in honey is that under rare circumstances, it can contain botulism spores, completely latent from the high-sugar environment. However, the spores alone are not enough to make an adult sick at all, because by the time the honey around them is digested, your system breaks them down before they can "wake up". In infants less than a year old, because their digestive track is not finished developing yet (another reason why breastfeeding is so important), the spores can feasibly take hold. However, pasteurization doesn't affect or destroy these spores, so you just never feed honey period to an infant, raw or otherwise.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So why couldn't they have just <em>filtered</em> out the bee parts?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think <strong>that</strong> part is pure laziness.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I stipulate that anyone who attempts to answer the OP's question use peer-reviewed sources to support their answer. Bonus points for more than one.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmLqs8qkP_Y">Reminds me of this</a>.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's kind of like that, except if the last three times Michael had opened the "DEAD DOVE!" bag, it was actually empty. I always figured I was eating maybe a leg or a wing, but I was a little taken aback when I saw that they'd accidentally the whole bee in there.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>I always figured I was eating maybe a leg or a wing</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>You eat that honey? Why? How is that better than not raw honey?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This one comes with bee parts.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>hey you guys remember that redditor that thought he was eating oldass honey but turned out he was eating a deceased baby?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I heard that same story, as a kid in the 80's. And I just found it on <a href="http://www.snopes.com/horrors/cannibal/honey.asp"><strong>snopes</strong></a>; the earliest version of the story they could find was from 1893, with another account found in a book from 1957.</p> | |
| <p>I think someone was trolling.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well, now I know what I'm having for lunch.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><strong><a href="http://chzgifs.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/beesp1.gif?w=300&h=169">BEES</a></strong></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Protein shake cures allergies!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>no doubt sold at a premium over honey where the makers actually took the time to filter the garbage out of it</p> | |
| <p>is this product from Portland by any chance</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm not sure they are quite grasping the meaning of the word "unavoidable".</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Did you eat it OP?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The organic good stuff.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>WHAT THE FUCK THERE WAS A BEE WHEN THEY SAID THERE MIGHT BE A BEE!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/lHifQ.jpg">relevant</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Honey is, in fact, bee vomit. I don't know if bees can taste, but if they can, they've definitely tasted it. Twice.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Fortified with extra vitamins I see.</p> | |
| <p>Particularly of the......<strong>B</strong> variety?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Eat the bee and gain it's power!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This looks like hooey to me. <a href="http://www.honeylocator.com/images/interface/form-comb.jpg">Here is a picture of store bought, retail comb honey.</a> It is delicious stuff, and you just eat the wax along with the honey, and it's no big deal. There are no dead adult bees and other crap in there.</p> | |
| <p>BTW, honey is very tantalizing to dentists, because unpredictably, some raw honey can be just loaded with both antibiotics and anti-inflammatory agents. Unfortunately a lot of honey isn't, and if you pasteurize it, it destroys these agents. But if you could reliably get it, it would be ideal for treating periodontal disease, because it would reduce gum swelling and wipe out the bacteria hiding underneath the swelling.</p> | |
| <p>That is, you could brush your teeth with raw honey and cure gum disease.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I wonder if they tell people their honey is the bees knees.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"Our honey is bees' knees, literally."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Mmmm sustainability.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What did you expect?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Did you eat it?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't quite understand why you would want this. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Tvs in the future are going to be like posters.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>We're going to look back on phones, laptops, and even billboards of today and laugh our asses off. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You mean you have to use your hands?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>that's a baby's toy</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Great Scott, I've seen that movie too!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I know, this is heavy</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why is everything so heavy in the future?!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Is something wrong with the Earth's gravitational pull?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>To crush the bodies and souls of anyone who opposes the glorious army of machines.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>i down voted you because it was not in line with the movie quote... but then i read your name. Enjoy the karma.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>shut up Frodo</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You mean it exists in physical space?!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Said Frodo...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>and the three seashells</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So in the future we won't have asses.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, look at that asshole with his ipad3. Get with times grandpa.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>iPad3 is for fucking cave men. Even my 2yr old has an iPad9</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I guess i just don't see where people are making this magical leap from flexible <em>screen</em> to flexible computers/phones.</p> | |
| <p>Only the screen is flexible right? Phones/laptops have processors and memory which need to be attached to them. These parts are not flexible, and probably never will be.</p> | |
| <p>So, with that in mind, what is the advantage of these screens?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They're flexible</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm thinking that everyone will carry a General Processing Unit on their person (pocket, backback, right in their clothing, whatever). It wold handle WiFi, 4G connectivity, maybe wireless power transfer to the different devices, and obviously processing. Different devices will connect to that hardware through bluetooth or something similar. That leaves only power requirements and the wireless connectivity hardware that needs to be on the phone / augmented reality glasses / whatever, so the majority of the device can indeed be flexible. That said, at the moment I can't think of any real benefit of a flexible phone.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I want this to happen. So badly. The only difference in my mind is that the computer parts will be implanted <em>inside our own skin</em>.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Upgrading your system would be quite the pain in the ass.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Ya I don't know why dell decided to attach my Hard Drive to my colon. Still better than Apple though, at least I don't have to have open heart surgery. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Then don't put it in your ass. That's one 23rd-century first world problem solved. I'm taking the rest of the week off.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Indeed! In the distant future the GPU could actually use/be our <em>brain</em>. Singularity is coming! </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>did you read comment below video, Can be hit by hammer. How many people do you know that has a broken screen. | |
| And you do not need to attach a server to the back of it. very small hardware would make this applicable everywhere</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Otterbox is going out of business </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>All other components have already shrunk massively and can be rearranged however you want. Just the screen needs to be big while used because you want a large area to look at.</p> | |
| <p>Imagine a device just the size of a thick pen, having a full size screen rolled up inside. Makes it way more portable. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/02/flexible-batteries-get-the-graphene-treatment-could-be-cheaper/">Flexible batteries</a> are also a field of development, as are <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/25/cambridge-researchers-translate-graphene-into-printable-circuitr/">wearable (and in turn, flexible) circuits</a> and eventually all of the other relevant parts.</p> | |
| <p>Flexible displays are indeed incapacitated by other inflexible components, but I'm sure there are applications of the technology as it currently stands. Even if other components of a phone, for example, are inflexible, the industrial design of it could still be significantly affected even if just the display was flexible.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Moving posters? :D One step closer to the wizarding world!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>"Oh no no, don't move that! It's a load-bearing TV".</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Posters will be a lot cooler though.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yup. Imagine being able to print out gifs</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Why would you need to print it?</p> | |
| <p>You just have one piece of paper that happens to be a screen that can display anything.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Thank you, Captain Obvious from the Humor Escapes Me fleet.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>If that was intended to be humour it was a rather poor attempt. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Well that's just like your opinion man.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>you're a rather poor atempt</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I laughed at it</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>In the future, they will broadcast commercials directly into your dreams!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>the problem is straightening the screen. If you roll up a screen, it'll have a curve to it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Posters are gonna be like TVs!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>in the year 2000</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>They can already make tv's thinner than they are, but people responded poorly in focus groups, thinking that the TV was too flimsy; so they actually made it thicker. I think the ideal is 25.4mm (one inch) but they can make it down to 10mm if they wanted, commercially.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I hereby request one 7 feet tall by 12 feet wide that I can wrap all the way around me while I'm sitting in a chair. Call it a Gaming Tube and charge me whatever you want. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yeah.... gaming...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><strong>VIOLENT MASTURBATION IN A TUBE OF WHIMSY!!</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>HD birthing porn.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>ಠ\xCD\x9C ಠ</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Imagine watching someone pass kidney stones through that thing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>HD earwax removal porn</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="/r/popping">/r/popping</a> up in here </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>oh god no no no</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>All of a sudden, <em>behind-the-balls shot.</em></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>LIKE I SAID. <strong>VIOLENT MASTURBATION</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Bukkake simulation.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You could literally be consumed in porn.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'll be in my tube.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>They should make condoms out of these.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The Internet will become a series of tubes</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>12 feet long.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>C = \xCF\x80 x d</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>12 = \xCF\x80 x d</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>12 = 3.14159 x d</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>d = 12 / 3.14159</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>d = 3.82 feet</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Thats not a lot of room to move about :/</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>THEN STOP SITTING THERE AND DO MORE MATH THINGS TO FIGURE OUT THE CORRECT DIMENSIONS JEEZ.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://benisawesome.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/tumblr_lloekc8nxf1qfjjkvo1_500.gif">C'mon</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>There's no room for <em>activities</em>! :(</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>anybody else think for a second that he broke that last screen when it snapped?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes, I also had similar thoughts as you.<br/> | |
| Which leads me to the inescapable conclusion you are my virtual doppleganger and there must be an inevitable showdown between us at an unspecified future time.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>As Unspecified, I declare the future time to be tomorrow at noon. Be there.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>When will I get a girlfriend? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>In 58.32 years. You will die 10 minutes later.</p> | |
| <p>Who's next?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Oh bullshit. I'm hiring a hooker. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>But hookers can't love back, son. They can't love back.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>They can love on their back though. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I prefer they didn't. I didn't pay them for me to do all the work.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Oh bullshit. I'm hiring a hooker.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>In 58.32 years!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Could you be more specific?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>When the sun rises, and the wolves howl.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>when the wind stops, and a baby cries.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Everyone knows that you're supposed to have sex with your doppelganger.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>We've already endured years of douchebags talking non stop about how great their iPhones are... Brace yourselves, for the millions of new douchebags that will demonstrate for you how great their new "flexible touch screen" phone is... <em>sigh</em></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Check out my slap-bracelet phone!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I swear I remember seeing a video of that concept design. It would act as a futuristic, digitalized-looking watch while on your wrist, but unsnapped would revert to the phone mode. Badass.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Here you go | |
| <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G32JmZkRddc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G32JmZkRddc</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The same thoughts went through my head. This is the video I first saw here on reddit 4 years ago - the <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX-gTobCJHs">Nokia Morph Concept</a> </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><em>gust of wind</em> | |
| <em>phone blows away</em></p> | |
| <p>next world problems</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This fucking title. Again. And again. And again.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, sometimes it's like</p> | |
| <p>"Corporate greed is fucking the nation over"</p> | |
| <p>And then it's like</p> | |
| <p>"ooh what a neat little device! I already have things that do pretty much everything this device does. Still. How much can I pay for it?"</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I agree the title is stupid but...</p> | |
| <p>Have you considered it's not the same people posting?</p> | |
| <p>Have you considered that just because a product is not useful to everyone, it doesn't mean they shouldn't innovate?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Come on now, we don't think critically around these parts until our comment karma comes up negative.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The laser had no practical uses until years after its invention/discovery.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Thanks man, this is my first Shut up and take my money post and it will be the last.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I thought the video was great and I was only commenting on the title :)</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>you better your res tag depends on it</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Not to mention said product would probably be made by some Chinese woman in terrible conditions, working too long of hours for hardly any pay. Yet we continue to buy. We want to put all the blame on the corporations but we forgot who gave them the money.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I was actually thinking it would be easier to view the screen if it is flat.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Exactly. And to everyone not understanding why some people complain about this, can you imagine thinking "Oh, I remember a post like that on reddit, I'll just search for it. <a href="http://www.reddit.com/search?q=shut+up+and+take+my+money">In fact I think I remember what the title was...</a> "</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>But how else can I find out about super-magic products?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>1 step closer to Harry Potter moving newspapers 'n shit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Next step: make them as cheap as paper, and environmentally friendly to throw away</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Simpler Solution: make paper $7999 per package.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Or buy one paper that updates daily.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Let's just throw away MORE THINGS! Because FUCK SUSTAINABILITY!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Sony actually was the first to do this years ago and finally unveiled it at CES 09 <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0nT6geXX2Y">here</a>.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I would end up bending it and never being able to make it flat again. </p> | |
| <p>I mean, cool idea! Yeah!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>So what's the big deal? I mean, it's cool looking, but what's the advantage here?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Screens everywhere. Movie posters, billboards, thermostats, credit cards, shoes you name it. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Just cause it's flexible doesn't mean it's cheap. LED screens have already been made extremely thin and light-weight.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You would still need hard electronics to drive the screen. PCB board with CPU, resistors, caps, etc. If you put the screen in the shoe, the screen may survive those conditions, but I don't think the electronics driving it would.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Couldn't those all be connected by wiring? Yeah it has to drive the screen but who says it has to be near the screen. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Well you can have discrete components on a flexible substrate, that's been around for ages. So it's flexible, but still has rigid spots. The big problem is batteries of any decent capacity are not bendy. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>WRISTWATCH SMARTPHONE.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>IRISH WRISTWATCH IRISH WRISTWATCH IRISH WRISTWATCH IRISH WRISTWATCH</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It's bendy!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Porn.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Huge. </p> | |
| <p>They could make computers as thin as credit cards, or phones you snap onto your arm like watches. Screens could fit anywhere, glasses, windows. There are an enormous amount of possibilities. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Not really. The screen may be bendy, the the electronics driving the screen will not be able to bend. There will still have to be a PCB board if there is to be a computer.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>they dont bend presently. man will find a way.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>But will it <em>blend</em>?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>the the</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>OMG what's happening...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Lol. Sorry, had a stroke. I'll leave it in there =P</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>this is already in most of last years and the year before models of samsung phones, this is just the AMOLED screen out of the phone case.</p> | |
| <p>i'm writing this from off one right now, SGS Captivate</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>it is the shape of things to come.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tII1DSHPU80">The Shape of Things to Come...</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I can't wrap my head around it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Imagine covering your room walls with this!!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>And hook it up to a video camera pointing at your video walls!!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I think you'll find that's called two mirrors.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>YOU MEAN WE ALREADY HAVE THIS TECHNOLOGY?! Gah! All the time I've wasted!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Now when will I get my hover board?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What happens when you crease it?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Iron.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Screw my money, just have access to my entire bank account. It'll make it easier for when more products like this are released. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>CES 2011? As in last year's news?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>So how long before Apple buys obscure patents to sue over this?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>But, why? Why would anyone want this technology? It seems rather pointless to me. I'm not trying to troll or anything, I just don't understand the practical implications of such a thing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It's not necessarily this specific piece of technology that makes it so fascinating. It's the advancements that made it possible and what this can lead to. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Anybody else realize how old this video is? My first thought was 'this tech isn't that cool,' then realized its because I've seen these videos for more than a year. </p> | |
| <p>Now somebody post a video of the wireless electricity TED talk and my trip down memory lane will be complete. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It's neat but I can't say I'd pay money for it at release. The thing is going to be fucking expensive.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That last phone looked and sounded a bit... crispy... </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Just a little bit closer to a functioning invisibility cloak.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>roll that phone up and shove it!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm an animator and my first thought was "This would be awesome for my business card!!!" I'm not much of a dreamer I guess.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I like that I can roll up my tv and take it anywhere with me.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>yay, newspapers with movieng pictures in them. :D</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That's cool and all, but I don't want my screen to bend? | |
| I'm not really sure of the practical use of this, does it make it harder to break or something? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>no thank you </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>i always kiss my own shoulders when something's on the frontpage and i already know it</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>While it is cool, it's not really practical. as you can see they have a hard time staying flat which can be very annoying. I see this technology being more useful in bigger monitors & TVs rather than phones.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>FUCKING FINALLY!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Oh cool, it's here already?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>the problem is straightening these out again. I like the idea of a flexible screen, but I prefer a stiff screen. Try straightening out a sheet of metal. It's pretty annoying to get it straight.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Everytime I see these flexible screens I imagine in the future that people will have tiny versions of <a href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/PSF-scroll.png">these</a> in their pockets. God do I hope.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>So... I'm going to be able to keep my smartphone in my wallet?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>would have saved me $300 this year from broken cell phone screens.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>If they make one of these in tablet size I can bend it over the face of ugly but easy to sleep with women, so much better than a paper bag.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>"i want to wrap\xEF\xBB\xBF one around my penis."\n\ | |
| -Weird guy on the top comment</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I am throwing money against my computer screen but nothing is happening!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>THAT....IS....AMAZING!!! I better start saving up :)</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>FINALLY I CAN BEND AND WARP THE IMAGE IM TRYING TO READ / COMPREHEND</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The screens can bend. But will it blend?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>how many letters can we keep attaching to the front of 'led'?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Is it made out of grafen?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>But why?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Battery? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What are some benefits of having a tv screen that can warp like that? I guess having a 180 viewing screen if enlarged enough?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The second someone puts a couple of those in a headset, I'll be ditching my monitors for gaming. IR tracking, 180 degree view pls!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>haha, I thought he broke it at 0:32 when he bent it into a semi circle.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I've been yelling that I want this for a while as a computer screen. Ultra widescreen 24:5, curved, super thin and light.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I literally watched this whole video like this. :O</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>First thing that comes to mind is we can finally have phones that have huge screens that can still fit in our pocket. I can see it now, It looks like a regular phone but out of the side comes a 10 inch screen. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well, that is almost completely useless...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>OK GIVE ME THE MONEY</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This has been around for how many years now? Seriously...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lDz_LFHHPk">STOP! ...</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Watching this, I just think.. the future is here. This is stuff I dreamed about when I was a young teenager.</p> | |
| <p>I bet within another 10 years or so we're going to have see through screens (i.e glass) like in minority report.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Crease it motherfucker, creaaase iit!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Harry Potter Newspapers incoming!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>slap on tvs inc</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wrap one of these around the wrist. Lightweight Pipboy</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wow... IM LIVING IN THE FUTURE!!!<br/> | |
| WOOHOO! \o/</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I am betting that one of the first uses for this will be LCD screens to wrap vehicles for advertising. Ugh.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sweet! Now I can wipe my ass with Justin Bieber music videos.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Peripheral. Vision. Gaming.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What happens when it gets creased like every other flexible thing does when you carry it around for long enough?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>what's the point? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>OLEDs on flexible substrates! i used to work in the lab for the two scientists that created this technology in the 70s (dr. chin tang and dr. steve van slyke). really cool technology and there are many applications (not just harry potter newspaper and youtube t-shirts).</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>i'm glad they discovered that technology before apple because they would no doubt milk that sucker for all that they could.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There's going to be a new meaning of "Hey who cut my phone"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Gentleman, this is the future.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Great, now I can buy a phone that's even MORE flimsy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Would get boring really fast.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I saw a screen last year that was on a piece of paper and you could crumble and uncrumble it an it still played video. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>cool but why</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ever since I watched this video, I have been waiting: | |
| <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/video/2008/feb/25/nokia.nanotechnology">http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/video/2008/feb/25/nokia.nanotechnology</a></p> | |
| <p>I WANT MY BRACELET SMARTPHONE!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I suppose my days of pressing my finger against a screen to make a bunch of colors appear are coming to an end.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I hate that phrase so much.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Imagine a suit made out of that.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ITS OF THE DEVIL....!!!! STOP FUNDING IT AT ONCE!!!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not a bad trolling idea... Not bad at all!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is an awesome way to lessen the odds for Santorum. What a genius!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Can you go below a zero percent chance of getting the nomination?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Uhh, it is a bit scary how well he's doing. I wouldn't call it zero for the nomination... sure if he gets nominated I'd give him zero % chance of actually being president though.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, but Obama has about a zero percent chance of having ass-juice named after him. Call it a wash.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Santorum wash? No thanks.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So frothy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm not saying it's not good for the skin, I'm just saying it's not for me.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Though it does spread very well on toast or a lightly toasted bagel.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>it's <em>good</em> santorum, but it spreads like <em>bad</em> santorum</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>An obama sounds more like a maneuver than a residue.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Barack O'Balm!?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As someone who is going to begrudgingly vote for Obama, it would probably be best if Santorum or Gingrich won the nomination. First and foremost because of the entertainment value, and secondly they have the best chance of losing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Statistician here, technically yes, if the people who were already unlikely to vote for him become twice as unlikely.</p> | |
| <p><em>edit:</em> </p> | |
| <p>the people who have replied thus far have statistically smelly feet.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Technically, two times zero is still zero.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Technically which is the best kind of correct no you cannot get below a zero chance. You stated that people who were "unlikely" to vote for him would become less likely indicating there was a chance greater than 0 to begin with.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nonsense. There is no such thing as a below-zero probability.</p> | |
| <p>Real-life probabilities are 0-1, exclusive-exclusive.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Lessen the odds? If you want to make sure Christianity and Capitol Hill are kept as far apart as possible, you should be PRAYING that Santorum wins the GOP nomination. There is zero chance that he beats Obama in November, even if every single Christian voter turns out.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They said the exact same thing about Hitler</p> | |
| <p>I bet it would work this time though</p> | |
| <p>History can't repeat itself due to thermodynamics and shit</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Godwin already? Damn, that was quick</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They said something similar after his party got 44% of seats in parliament (with 9 parties present). This is not all comparable with Santorums stand right now.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Didn't take long for Hitler to turn up!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So thermodynamics is useful for stopping the sequel to Third Reich and disproving evolution? Why didn't they tell us that in Chem 465?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Actually Christian make up almost three quarters of Americans. If every one turned out to vote for Santorum he would win. This is why we are telling then to stay home an pray instead. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><em>claims</em> to be christian. I know plenty of "Christians" who would vote for a turd before Santorum. Christianity is just default religion for a lot of people. most don't actually practice. ID'ing themselves as a christian when it comes time for a poll make them sleep better at night.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I know plenty of actual Christians who think Santorum is a nutjob. "Christian" is a pretty broad label.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And indeed, "Christian" did not exist as a label until the Republican Party created it. Before Roe v. Wade, you called yourself a Baptist, or a Methodist, or a Catholic, but not a "Christian," and you didn't quite trust the other Christian sects, in fact you considered many of them crazy and hellbound. I grew up in a church that didn't consider Catholics to be Christians because "they worship idols."</p> | |
| <p>Just as the word "American" was used around the time of the American Revolution to get people to stop identifying as Virginians, Vermonters, and so forth and to rally behind the cause of nationhood, so the word "Christian" has been used since the 1970s to unite various Christian sects behind the cause of "a Christian nation" and to fight legalized abortion. Today Republicans claim America to be "a Christian nation" as though it always has been, when in fact this is a fiction invented out of whole cloth <em>in living memory.</em> </p> | |
| <p>You wonder how anyone follows a patently ridiculous religion like Mormonism? More generally, how a religion can be invented and gain a solid following within a generation or two? Look at the creation of "Christianity" forty years ago and the behavior of its followers today.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Are there sources to support this? Like articles written talking specifically about this?</p> | |
| <p>I was born in the 80s so reading that was kind of a mindfuck.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Here's something I googled up: <a href="http://articles.latimes.com/2011/oct/02/opinion/la-oe-jillette-christian-20111002">Penn Jillette article from last fall</a>. He references Susan Jacoby's book <em>Freethinkers,</em> which is an excellent read.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>On anything that makes me put a religion, I put protestant (same as my father) even though I have never been religious. It makes my dad happy, and it doesn't bother me at all. He's fairly religious, but he never lets it show. He was the most supportive person when I came out, he actually tried to help hook me up with guys! Awkward as heck, but it's the thought that counts. My mom is agnostic, but absolutely despises organized religion. She finds it hysterical that a race that can't cure a cold is absolutely sure that they know what a race powerful enough to be considered "god" wants us to do in the bedroom.</p> | |
| <p>I have several friends that do the same thing. They get to that part of the form, and just bubble in whatever their parents are.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Don't you think we should try to increase the odds that Santorum, because he stands absolutely no chance in the general election? Michigan democrats are sneaky little bastards - being allowed to vote in the primary, 52% voted for Santorum. Seems like a great example of mass cleverness.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes, and we all believed that George W. Bush had no chance of being elected in 2000, and certainly that he had no chance at a <em>second</em> term in 2004. We were so sure that there was no <em>legitimate</em> way that Bush could have won either election that we decided that both must have been stolen, brazenly in 2004 given the scrutiny under which 2000's election fell, and these are now <em>articles of faith</em> with the left.</p> | |
| <p>In fact W was and is a <em>hugely</em> popular President with a surprising number of Americans, including most of my family. The Iraq war, too, remains, if not quite popular, at least seen as a necessity with this crowd. The fact that these people are by any objective standard ignorant of reality matters not at all; such people will always exist, and political success in today's America consists primarily of <em>getting them to vote for you.</em> Because they do vote, and in large numbers.</p> | |
| <p>People on the urban coasts and in liberal enclaves such as college campuses simply have no exposure to these elements of the right and, because the right's way of thinking is so foreign to them, greatly underestimate their numbers. ("I can see maybe 10% of Americans voting for Santorum, there are probably that many idiots and crazies in the country, but more than half? No way.")</p> | |
| <p>In 2004, here in Seattle, someone actually said to me, "I don't know anyone who even voted for Bush the first time, he's sure to lose this time." Since my family is largely from the Midwest and now resides there and in the shallow South, I confidently predicted Bush would win a second term, the only person in my circle of friends to do so. (I even voted for him myself in 2004, not because I wanted him to win -- there was no chance that Bush would take Washington anyway -- but so that my politically imporevished friends would know at least <em>one</em> person who did so, or would admit to it, anyway. By the way, this was before I met my wife, but she gives me shit about it to this day.)</p> | |
| <p>Democrats have a history of shooting themselves in the foot. Remember 2000, when enough liberals voted for Nader to give Bush a chance? There's idiocy enough on both sides of the aisle. For all their faults, Republicans are rock-solid at party unity: then tend to reliably nominate a candidate and then <em>vote for him.</em> </p> | |
| <p>Don't underestimate Santorum's chances. If you vote for him in a primary because he is "unelectable," you may get just what you voted for.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>The fact that these people are by any objective standard ignorant of reality matters not at all; such people will always exist, and political success in today's America consists primarily of getting them to vote for you. Because they do vote, and in large numbers.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Sad but true. :'(</p> | |
| <p>EDIT: To add something of value to my snarky comment, please enjoy <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentation_theory">this quote from Wikipedia</a>:</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>Political arguments are used by academics, media pundits, candidates for political office and government officials. Political arguments are also used by citizens in ordinary interactions to comment about and understand political events. The rationality of the public is a major question in this line of research. Political scientist Samuel L. Popkin coined the expression "low information voters" to describe most voters who know very little about politics or the world in general.</p> | |
| <p>In practice, a "low information voter" may not be aware of legislation that their representative has sponsored in Congress. A low-information voter may base their ballot box decision on a media sound-bite, or a flier received in the mail. It is possible for a media sound-bite or campaign flier to present a political position for the incumbent candidate that completely contradicts the legislative action taken in Washington D.C. on behalf of the constituents. It may only take a small percentage of the overall voting group who base their decision on the inaccurate information, a voter block of 10 to 12%, to swing an overall election result. When this happens, the constituency at large may have been duped or fooled. Nevertheless, the election result is legal and confirmed. Savvy Political consultants will take advantage of low-information voters and sway their votes with misinformation because it can be easier and sufficiently effective. Institutions such as factcheck.org have come about in recent years to help counter the effects of such campaign tactics. Factcheck.org's stated goal is "We aim to reduce the level of deception and confusion in U.S. politics, for voters".</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Google "low information voters" for lots more information about this topic.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A further troll would be to get the news to hook in to the idea he lost because of a dedicated attempt by "liberals" to "get people to not vote".</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Also, if I should happen to rob your house? Don't bother calling the cops or getting your gun out. God has a plan for your stuff. He plans for me to sell it and get high!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>cops don't get there in time to prevent the robbery. they get there in time to file a report so you can make a claim with your insurance company.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Still not God's plan! Don't mess with the creation, folks!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><ul> | |
| <li>Step 1. Acquire large sums of money</li> | |
| <li>Step 2. Rent out billboard telling religious people to not vote, thus eliminating a large portion of crazy</li> | |
| <li>Step 3. Elect real President</li> | |
| <li>Step 4. America saved!</li> | |
| <li>Step 5. Nap</li> | |
| </ul> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Oh man step 5 sounds great. 4 is lookin pretty good too.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Step 6: ???</p> | |
| <p>Step 7: profit</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Who needs profit when there is a nap involved? </p> | |
| <p>I vote for naps.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>STOP OPPRESSING THEM!!!!!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If I can't oppress them, can I <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-court_press">full-court press</a> them? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd rather compress them.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>WinRAR trials will finally run out right before the election in that case.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Bloody peasant!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I endorse this instruction. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Even though Captain Obvious told me recently this is fake, I do hope people see it. If it works, maybe Santorum won't be elected, we all know praying does only one thing: hurts your knees.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Santorum never had a chance, and will never hold elected office ever again. It's funny to me that so many people are still paying attention to him. He was briefly relevant as the "not Romney" flavor of the week, but Romney is widening his lead.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If Santorum were ever elected as president, I'd move to Europe. And I live in Canada.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Absolutely. It was hilarious to watch Reddit in full-blown Santorumania when the guy has no chance and never did. I suppose he was a flavor of the week for us too. The hate flavor of the week.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The frothy brown flavor</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It wasn't just Reddit. Analysts on TV were saying he had a credible chance, and the amount of money flowing to him and his opponents exploded because of all the press he was getting.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think he could win the nomination. Highly unlikely, but possible.</p> | |
| <p>You have to remember that there are 100 senators in the country and he was one of them for a long time.</p> | |
| <p>There are hundreds of thousands of people lining up to vote for the guy, truly scary.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>RRRROOOOONNNNNN PAAAAAAAAAAAAUUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLLL</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hey now, he's going to come from behind and win it at the very end! LOL.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Holy shit you know captain obvious?!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Of course I do, he told me who he was!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I thought arrows did that?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You're not seriously telling me this is 'shopped D:</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What if Reddit just rounded up cash to take up some billboards? </p> | |
| <p>Wouldn't even need to be related to aetheism. Might be fun.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Translation: "I want other people's money to entertain me."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You just described entertainment.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/09/21/us/politics/21caucus.obama.letterman.480.jpg">hahaha.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Someone told me they weren't voting because god will make his decision and you can't change god's mind... | |
| ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You should thank him for doing his part to improve the country.</p> | |
| <p>Just don't forget to vote yourself.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>plan on it</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If only these people wouldn't procreate because if God wants them to have children, he will impregnate their women as virgins. </p> | |
| <p>I'm a dreamer.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If you can't change god's mind, and he "has a plan," then what is the purpose of prayer, I wonder?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Good thing God put Stalin in power. I can only imagine what could have happened if an evil person was on the throne...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Technically Christians believe that god does his work through them so they need to vote in ord for gods work to be done.. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>SHHH, they don't know that!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Mother of God thats just crazy enough to work! o_o</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I very seriously enjoyed this.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>the funny thing is that many religious nuts would actually obey this sign if it were up somewhere</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As a Christian I wholly endorse this, fake or not. Most Christians don't realize that we are told not to get into politics...And for all the Christians who take their moral and religious views to the ballet box to vote for some nut like Santorum or any other crazy candidate they just end up hurting the country and the image of Christianity.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The politically incorrect side of me really wishes that religious people and the uneducated ignorant people of America didn't vote</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How much would it cost to put this on a real billboard, j/w</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Even as a Christian I think this is a good idea to weed out the nutjobs. We already ran off Perry, now we must assure that Rick fucking Santorum isn't our next president. If you're a Democrat and you're state allows you to vote in a Republican primary, get all of your friends to go out and vote against Santorum. It's not all that unethical, Republicans do it all the time.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Guys, I know this is fake, but it is compelling. Here's why. From what I understand, State and Local elections have less than 10 % turnout. If the lobbyists and special interests alone vote, the dominant candidate wins. Elections are won when the turnout is low. If everyone is home praying, the special interests have a field day and win. This explains how clowns like Santorum get voted into office. Only their supporters vote, while the rest stay home. I hope I did not confuse anyone.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The crap font and the off-centered text is driving me nuts.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>haha, you people believe meaningful reform comes through the voting booth</p> | |
| <p>good luck with that</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><em>I see what you did there</em></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>YES PLEASE. | |
| PLEASE, STAY HOME.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>If a man can't subvert God's plan....why would he bother praying....?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Looks pretty shopped tho</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/SrVyS.png">http://i.imgur.com/SrVyS.png</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If you think that 30 second hackjob required launching Photoshop, you're a tool.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Tbh this would be the best thing for anyone anti Santorum. "I don't need to vote because if I pray god will magic extra votes for me for that wonderful prophet Santorum"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So god will rig the voting system? Throw his ass in jail.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Sigh, if only ...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hey, if it works for the 7th Day Adventists...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>gladly</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes, please!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Genius!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What an awesome idea lol</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>funny - but why the effed up font?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>not bad.jpg</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Too bad it's only photoshopped.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That's Santorum taken care of.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>-cringe-</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm actually okay with this.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It's a trap!!!!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Everyone wins. Everyone is happy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I like this so while they sit and pray we advance faster and faster toward the technological singularity. And its all a part of gods plan apparently!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Considering the results from super Tuesday, it looks like they all disobeyed. Shame.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's funny because if Rush Limbaugh said this I'm sure many people would actually not vote...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Or you could not vote because you want to retain some human dignity and not participate in the pitiful begging and squabbling over table scraps.</p> | |
| <p>Don't participate in the humiliation that is voting. </p> | |
| <p>The system is broken, voting is only <em>slightly</em> better than praying to solve your problems because the government has guns and you might be lucky enough to be on the butt end of them.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Please, oh please let them stay home and pray. Better chance their wingnut candidate won't be elected. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Fake</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Jesus, Look at that paint skill.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Obvious photoshop (even, it's a bad photoshop) is obvious. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>If God wants you to pray instead of vote, then does God want Santorum to lose?!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I wish this was always their campaign strategy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Clear Channel is advertising this? This is either brilliant trolling or just plain sad.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Can this be a thing? Please</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Self limiting disease!!!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Nothing has ever not existed as much as this doesn't exist.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This is genius!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yea, lets put the power of god to a test, if they can win without voting, then god is real</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>We dont have this shit in the UK, we just vote based on lies.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>A message from the insane based voters. </p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>FTFY</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This looks shopped... I can tell by the pixels, and the large numbers of shops i've seen in my life.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>the lord helps those who help themselves.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is genius.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Replace something that cannot influence the outcome for another. Great idea.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>that will work!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's a great idea! Only the non-religious people will vote! :D</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://bash.org/?431987">#431987 +(7028)- [X]</a></p> | |
| <pre><code>Gear Grinder X: once, we had these total freak seventh day advenist | |
| (or whatever) freak ass neighbors | |
| Gear Grinder X: and this girl Lanna was a little younger than me | |
| Gear Grinder X: she was a bitch, and they were all totally religious | |
| Gear Grinder X: she threw rocks at me once on my bike, and so I | |
| turned around, and went to run over here | |
| Gear Grinder X: I was hauling ASS, and you know what she did? | |
| Gear Grinder X: put her hands on her hips, and stood there and said | |
| "The lord will protect me" | |
| Gear Grinder X: well.... he didn't | |
| </code></pre> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My Christian friend believes that if you pray AND vote it somehow does more than just voting. "That's why I will be praying while I vote, to put the strength of god into my ballot"</p> | |
| <p>im just like lol wut</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>brilliant.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This would work so well </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I posted it to my facebook along with the message:</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>Dear faith-based voters: Put your money where your mouth is and show your faith!</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>makes me sick that there are so many fools in this country voting with the good book shoved up their ass. morons are being pandered to. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wow, photoshop at its worst point in life</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Great idea! Let's spread the message around!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They would be about as equally useless.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Not bad, but I fear there is probably a political agenda behind this. Just because one is atheist doesn't mean they are partial to one party or the other.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>YES! YES! YES! BELIEVERS! DON'T VOTE! </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://blogs.canoe.ca/davidakin/politics/where-you-vote-could-influence-how-you-vote/">Even where you vote matters.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Still more Effective than voting </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This plan could easily backfire. People go to war instead of praying for divine action, surely they'll be willing to vote. They'll say "The lord helps those who help themselves", and philosophically, I cannot disagree.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>:3</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I can only hope their serious.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>ShutUpAndTakeMyMoney.jpg</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Sorry, gotta vote, it's in the Constitution... or Bible... or Geneva Convention... It's in something.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Asking/telling people not to vote is unamerican. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Oh yes, because so much gets accomplished with prayer. SHEEP!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My only problem with this is that most faith based voters don't know what "subvert" means :(</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What's worse than a worm in your apple? </p> | |
| <p>The Holocaust.</p> | |
| <p>What's worse than the Holocaust? </p> | |
| <p>Atheists choosing fonts.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Don't disobey the Lord!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If that's the case, why do anything ever? Just pray and wait for results.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's either a billboard commissioned by a very stupid person, or a very clever person.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's a great idea!!! Yes, they should all pray so as not to piss off God.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And let's hope every damned one of them takes it literally.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It would be even better if someone ask the candidate about it and publicly endorse that.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Interestingly enough, this WAS the position of most people of faith before the 1950s</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>that to me looks like a very clever campaign by Obama disguised as a Republican party poster</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>its my birthday bitch</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>As an agnostic atheist, I'm sure prayer would be just effective as voting in the US these days.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Acts 5:29</p> | |
| <p>We must obey God as ruler rather than men. </p> | |
| <p>John 18:36</p> | |
| <p>My kingdom is no part of this world</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Fake yo.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The founding fathers were worried about the stupidity of the masses. This is an obvious attempt to weed the stupid out of the electorate.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Praying will accomplish nothing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is one of those ideas that's so crazy, it might just work! Lol</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This would be hard to read while driving.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>And once some competent people are elected and turn the country around, guess who will the credit be given to? Yeah.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Anyone who votes on mortality, no matter which way is a fool</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This is the best idea I have seen in a while! We need to put together an effort to put this on billboards all around the country!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Instead of saying "Don't vote. Pray." I would say, "Vote and pray."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's excellent advice.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That's excellent advice.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This is genius.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>this looks pretty fake</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Best advice I've seen for those who refuse to separate church from state.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There is irony here, because this is actually what a large percentage of the bible belt used to believe. Before Reagan came along, the so-called 'moral majority' were discouraged from getting involved in politics by their church leaders, because it was considered sinful or something. </p> | |
| <p>I can't recall exactly what the religious 'theory' was, but there was definitely an argument that voting was against God somehow, and it was better to abstain.</p> | |
| <p>That all changed when Robertson and Buchanan and co. realised they controlled enough people to threaten both parties, and the GOP was predictably more than happy to accommodate their morality in policy in return for the votes.</p> | |
| <p>How different would the US be today if this had never happened? If the religious were still urged not to corrupt themselves by engaging the political process? It would almost certainly be centred far to the left of where it is now, and probably not far from, say, Germany.</p> | |
| <p>Unfortunately, there's almost zero chance of these moral majority asswipes listening to this message, because they've fallen in love with forcing America to follow their lead way out to the far right of everything. Religious leaders have succumbed to the money and filth of politics, and the rank and file have let themselves be turned into soldiers in the completely contrived culture wars that plague the country.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Cool font bro</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Lol well that basically kills Santorums GOP primary</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>HAHAHAHAHAHA</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>In the navy our voting coordinator was our chaplain. Needless to say you got your earful when registering. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>PLEEEEAAAASSSEEE!!!!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>And down goes Santorum... </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The problem is regardless of not voting some idiot will vote, and we will have an idiot overlord that wins with 1 vote</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>hahaha i hope this works, but it may also be offensive to the non-idiot Christians. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Every Clear Channel billboard should carry this message.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I approve this message.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Too bad the image is fake. The person that Photoshopped it didn't even bother to re-align the text to account for perspective. It takes no time to re-align a rectangular textbox to a rectangular billboard. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Make this in ms paint? Clever.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This looks photoshopped.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It makes me especially happy that this is on a Clear Channel board.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Romans 13:1 "Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God."</p> | |
| <p>God elected Obama, suck it conservatives.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I couldn't agree more</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I bet it makes it to facebook.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Brilliant, I fully support this.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I hope lots and lots of <em>invisible man in the sky</em> worshipers do exactly what's written on the billboard.<br/> | |
| Amen!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think we all know that the republicans are going to lose the upcoming presidential election, the remaining important plan is to get people to vote for the amendments that legalize gay marriage and regulate marijuana. This is another good way to do that...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's republican, we count those.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>As a preacher I think that legislating religious morality is bad. Particularly here in America where one of the founding principles is the Separation of Church and State. I do concede that for those who are religious will have that religion affect if not form their morality and everyone has their morality affect their judgement and voting decisions. But to force your religious views of what you are allowed to do onto someone else who is not in your religion, or even really if they are is not good christian behavior. </p> | |
| <p>We are suppose to admonish and guide with love. If your method of preventing something is through threat it is not done in love. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>at first i was like "what the hell?!" then i was like "ooooh, haha" if only all the die hard bible thumpers would do this! haha</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Why does it say don't vote? I mean, I get that it's trolling, but at the same time, there are many people who don't vote because they believe their vote doesn't matter. In short, they are right, but did you know there is the ability to write in other people's names on the ballot? Imagine that all those people who don't vote because they don't like either candidate put instead some person's name, who is eligible to be president, on the ballot? That way, instead of not voting, you participated, and showed you don't like either candidate, and yet still voted. Who wins if 25% of the vote didn't vote for the 2 major players? Can you honestly say the winner is really the winner when 25% of the vote isn't anybody's, therefore showing that the country didn't like either candidate? Thus causing the idea of a change in the voting system and party system? This coming election, I will write in my dad's name because he is more capable than the two choices we will have, and he is eligible to be the POTUS. Just my $0.02. </p> | |
| <p>TL:DR: If you don't like either presidential choices, write in a name on the ballot instead, then you can proclaim everyone an idiot for voting for a dumbass.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Mr. Limbaugh should use Ted Nugent's music instead. I don't think Ted would mind.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"Great White Buffalo" would be appropriate.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Nugent would think of it as a complement.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Nugent would write him an original score...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>'complement'(?)... - computing - It still works!! :)</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Strange to see "Nugent" and "think" in the same sentence. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Tad Nugent?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Turd Furgeson?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>it's funny because he's wearing a hat</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>i garfunkelled your mother</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I don't think anyone got it. Or they did. Either way, have an upvote for That 70's Show.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm surprised that Gabriel allowed it before now. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He probably has people handle music use for him and wasn't aware.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>"Sledgehammer" is pretty ubiquitous, I wouldn't be surprised if it's licensed fairly liberally, and that Peter Gabriel isn't tracking every single time it's licensed.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd be surprised if he has any say in the matter, most artists don't. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He owns his own catalogue and the record label Real World Records...he invested right and didn't squander his money on drugs. | |
| A smart artist is a rich artist.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm sure he's well off but he put it back into the music scene too, in a big way. Especially for world artists. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>most artists don't.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Citation needed.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What makes you doubt it?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I don't know the specifics but if I was a musician I wouldn't forbid a radio host from using my music just because he is controversial/provocative. When someone ist just blatanly being an asshole I would though.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Peter Gabriel = <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frbao8Tst_Q#t=0m49s">this to me.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Peter Gabriel = <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M58wE8GTGp4">this to me</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He was almost certainly unaware of it. Just like how Erick Erickson uses music by Arcade Fire and The Black Keys on his show. I'm sure they wouldn't be too thrilled to find out about that.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>$</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20391620,00.html">Elton John played his (4th) wedding. And he honeymooned in Mexico and Africa.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hahaha what a hilarious hypocrite. I mean, I don't listen to Limbaugh for obvious reasons, but being a hyper-conservative, I find it ridiculous that he would hire one of the gayest people on Earth (and most awesome) to perform at his wedding.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm rather disappointed in Elton John that he would play at the man's wedding. It'd be like Melissa Etheridge playing at Rick Santorum's wedding.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yeah well, he made a cool million for playing piano for a few hours, and saying some shit, you really can't blame him. However, I also never listen to Rush L. so I don't really know what his views are on the subject.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>why can't you blame him? I can blame him, he has a net worth of over $300m, he sold out for $1m?? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>a million dollars is a million dollars</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He has that much because he does one night weddings for $1 million. Also, net worth can mean a lot of things, but a million in straight cash is a fucking lot for a single night.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Admittedly, does EJ really <em>need</em> it?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hopefully he donated all $1 million to a charity that Limbaugh despises. That would be badass. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Giving $1 million to the gayest man on earth should count for something as it is.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Does Rush actively push an anti-gay agenda?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yup. I couldn't really find a source, but here's Rush ranting about criticism of Prop. 8 passing in CA.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06G9TycwKEw">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06G9TycwKEw</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's probably just a radio persona (although there's a 100% chance that he is still an arsehole). </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm not sure what you've heard about conservatives makes you think they wouldn't hire a gay person to play music. Or how that's hypocritical.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm not sure if this is sarcasm or not.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Rush needs money, so he spews vitriol on the airwaves for a living. </p> | |
| <p>Elton needs money, so he performed for a guy who spews vitriol on the airwaves for a living.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well, if they need the money, it's O.K., isn't it? You sell what you can in this world, and if you're desperate enough, you'll do anything, including sell your body. Oh - we weren't talking about prostitutes? My bad...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's clearly fine with Elton. Keep in mind he also performed with Eminem in the midst of Eminem's whole homophobia controversy - Elton's a forgiving guy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd forgot that. Well, who knows what people are really like when they're off stage/off air? Maybe Limbaugh's rants are purely a performance, and he's just a sweet, cuddly fellow who's nice to the ladies.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm pretty sure Limbaugh is given a list of topics and hes instructed to point out all the cons and negative aspects of those topics and give no credibility or mention anything remotely redeeming of said topics. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Elton John needs money?!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It's not as if Elton John has <em>all</em> the money. There's still some that isn't his yet.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sadly i fear to many people in our financial system actually hold too that as a business model. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Innnn your bias, the white the elite, in your bias I am complete. </p> | |
| <p>I will definitely show myself out after that one. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Fun fact, Rush got his start as one of Gabriel's back-up dancing turkeys</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Gabriel-Genesis-Growing-Ashgate-Popular/dp/0754665216/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331148474&sr=1-1&tag=bookforyouod-20">Peter Gabriel, From Genesis to Growing Up (Ashgate Popular and Folk Music)</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Have you read this? Care to give a short review? I noticed there are none on Amazon (probably due to the exorbitant price tag). I'd love to read it though...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ever since Peter Gabriel fronted Progressive Rock band Genesis, from the late 1960s until the mid 1970s, journalists and academics alike have noted the importance of Gabriel's contribution to popular music. His influence became especially significant when he embarked on a solo career in the late 1970s. Gabriel forced his way into the annals of popular music history through his poignant recordings, innovative music videos, groundbreaking live performances, the establishment of WOMAD (the World of Music and Dance) and the Real World record label (as a forum for musicians from around the world to be heard, recorded and promoted) and for his political agenda (including links to a variety of political initiatives including the Artists Against Apartheid Project, Amnesty International and the Human Rights Now tour). In addition, Gabriel is known as a sensitive, articulate and critical performer whose music is deeply informed by reading and research. This collection documents and critically explores the most central themes found in Gabriel's work. These are divided into three important conceptual areas arising from Gabriel's activity as a songwriter and recording artist, performer and activist: 'Identity and Representation', 'Politics and Power' and 'Production and Performance'.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Seems like this is entirely political, why is it in music rather than r/politics</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Foreigner here. Just to clarify: was Rush Limbaugh a non-asshole before, considering there's a such a big uproar <em>now</em> even though his radio show has been running for years?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Foreigner here.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Not the same genre, but close enough.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Man reading that comment was quite the Journey.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I thought it was a piece of Cake.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Foreigner...Journey...CAKE?...No.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He must have been in a Rush to get through it. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>A-ha! I see what you all did there!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Worst. Pun. Thread. Ever. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I agree. Where the fuck did Cake come from?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cake_(band)">Here</a> But I don't think they should count, as they aren't really... in the same genre.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm aware of who they are, I was referring to the fact that they don't really make sense, as you stated. Foreigner, Journey...Cake?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Tears for Fears pun.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ladies and gentlemen, we have a Winger. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>From the band who taught you how to love.... WINGERRR</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JR8ols4mYc">Speaking of, a message for you</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, he has always been a monumental dill-hole. He's always been a racist, misogynistic, hateful old man. I'm not sure why this wasn't done before. But this was apparently the straw that broke the camels back</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Whoa, hold it right there. He has not always been old.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I imagine that even when he was young, he was old.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I know just listening to him talk ages me at an accelerated rate.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He was never young. Even as a child.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I think there are a lot of factors why this hasn't happened before. First of all a lot of women support him and his views, and still probably do. As to why it is happening now, well I think the US and the world is ripe for this type of outrage, and the internet as it is now gives <em>everyone</em> a place to band together. So before at best you may have a few friends that agreed with you, now you can see that a lot of people think like you.</p> | |
| <p>And even some people who supported Rush, may have only done so because they were surrounded by other people who supported him. The risk to go against their peers has dropped pretty significantly, therefor a lot more people are willing to take that smaller risk.</p> | |
| <p>I know of places where you are looked down upon if you aren't a republican, and even if you aren't a religious right republican. Potentially risking your job or social life can be pretty daunting. But if the movement becomes big enough, those risks can drop significantly, and the risks <em>increase</em> for those opposed to the movement. For example if someone was fired because they became somewhat outspoken against Rush now, that could cause a pretty big backlash to that company.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You slut. What are you? A fucking prostitute? Or just a karma slut?</p> | |
| <p>Fucking liberals and their goddamn hypocrisy!</p> | |
| <p>You make me laugh so much I have six-pack abs.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm sure a visit to <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/mensrights">r/mensRights</a> can help explain.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In otherwords, he's a conservative, so everyone on <a href="/r/politics">/r/politics</a> automatically hates him. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You are the shittest novelty account I've seen on here. Congratulations.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Sadly, that is probably not a novelty account.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It's either:</p> | |
| <p>1) A bad novelty account. | |
| 2) A bad troll. | |
| 3) A person who honestly believes these things.</p> | |
| <p>No matter what the truth is, it's not someone worth replying to.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As I have some expertise in this area so I can say with no certainty what so ever that he is not actually a novelty account shown most prominently by his choice of first letters of the message: IOHACSEORAHH or i-oh-a-cseorahh which is a phonetic representation of 'I owe a seorah' which is, as everyone knows, referring to the honorific of the priestess's of Kkragdeshi, but what's most disturbing is the 'owe' part which is an obvious reference to the priestess's practice of funding their church with assassination contracts, which I would assume is directed towards you, but don't worry because I've been reading this aloud and NSA keeps drilling microphones into my teeth while I'm sleeping and I haven't pulled out the one they put in last night yet so they should take care of it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Poe's Law. I get the sense it is not a troll, but instead someone who wandered over (on a Medicaid-provided electric scooter) from Fox Nation.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's ok, he might learn something.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>In otherwords, he's a neo-con, so everyone on <a href="/r/politics">/r/politics</a> automatically hates him.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>FTFY. I don't see the problem.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>TIL people outside the US refer to themselves as "foreigners".</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>foreigner, please.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Well we tried "the others" and just "them" but they came over as a bit too ominous, and we don't like being bombed.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Unless you have oil you have nothing to fear.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>In America we don't call them bombs, we call them Democracy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>no, he's been such a big asshole for such a long time that a lot of people find a lot of joy in any little pain the man suffers. he's earned the schadenfreude a thousand times over. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes. I remember the late nineties and the Lewinsky affair too well, that was when he really got popular. The political dialogue in general seemed to go completely to hell afterward. His nastiness has caused so much unnecessary strife in the world, he deserves what comes back to him.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, he has always been this way. What he said was nothing out of the ordinary for him at all. He used to love calling female politicians "coyote ugly" which he defined as being someone that you would have a one night stand with after getting blacked out drunk, and when you woke up they were so ugly that you would chew off your own arm so you could escape without waking them up, similar to how a coyote will chew off a limb to escape a trap.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No. He's been an asshole for as long as the show has been on. Usually, however, he's targeted people who are actually in the public eye rather than students who are testifying before congress. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He has been calling for racist legislation, corporate welfare, bloodshed abroad, and the subjugation of the lower class for decades.</p> | |
| <p>But he called a girl a slut, so fuck him.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Always was an asshole. That's why he's gone through 4 wives. That and drug abuse. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm amazed there have been 4 women who actually wanted to marry this guy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>They wanted to marry his money. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Newt gingrich has about that many too. Apparently being an arrogant, fat sweaty white guy is appealing to some women.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>no there has been a huge outcry for a long time - people think hes an asshole. He just said something gossip worthy this time</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He's been saying horrible shit for decades. He <del>coined</del> popularized the term "feminazi" back in the 1990s. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Exactly. People, mostly liberal people, just have it out for the guy. Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a "cunt" not that long ago, but I don't remember redditors getting their panties in a wad over that.</p> | |
| <p>Limbaugh always says crude shit, even in the midst of sometimes making good points like here, when his real point was that people, particularly well-to-do young law students, shouldn't be lobbying Congress for other people to pay for their birth control. If he didn't make controversy, he wouldn't be getting the ratings he does. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think if Limbaugh had called Fluke a 'cunt' there wouldn't have been this much antagonism over it. 'Slut' is a sexual attack and much, much more personal than 'cunt'. The fact that he dragged it out like that over days and days made it that much worse. It's creepy, as if he were getting some kind of sick titillation out of the abuse.</p> | |
| <p>Limbaugh never had a point other than the one on his head.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In the 90s, he compared a then 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton to a horse, and a few years back, he accused Michael J. Fox of "exaggerating" his Parkinson's.</p> | |
| <p>I don't think "asshole" is strong enough a word for Rush Limbaugh.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He was always a huge right wing loser (Typical republican: fat, rich, white, racist, hypocrite) but once in a while he goes too far and it makes the news..</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He thinks that's the same as remaining relevant.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He's always been an asshole. He's just louder now. He's just another Howard Stern, Imus, or other shock jock. He's just louder.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Those other guys are funny and not political. So kinda like them, but not really. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Don't drag the King of All Media into this...now get on the sybian.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This big uproar is just an opportunity by the people that hate rush to pretend there's a solid fact why they hate him now, whereas before, it was just a difference of opinion. But NOW, Now they have a reason to hate him. He called a girl a slut! Since no one who hates him has ever called a woman that before(lie), they can react like limbaugh just raped a 5th grader.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Since no one who hates him has ever called a woman that before(lie)</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>First of all, there are many who would never call a woman a slut in any kind of serious or personal context. </p> | |
| <p>Second, words can hurt, especially if you have millions of listeners. This isn't the same as two dudes making a joke about sluts in their living room. </p> | |
| <p>Third, his point was off base to begin with. Using birth control does not mean you're extremely promiscuous or have sex for money.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Appropriate username to match your post.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>nice try, mr. limbaugh</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Judging by his Viagra habit and his penchant for sex tourism, he probably has</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He just raped a fifth grader? HEY GUYS</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Please do not procreate.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hittin' Rush with the Sledgehammer. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He's kicked the habit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The choice of that song for this segment had to have been intentional.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This feels so unnatural, Peter Gabriel too?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Should have altered the lyric a bit by dropping the "un."</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>And again Rush (the band) lead music in a new direction, away from Rush (the fascist cocksucker).</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I believe Rush Limabuagh is just Bill O'reilly in a fat man suit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>No. Rush Limbaugh is aggressive and stupid. Bill O'reilly is just aggressively stupid.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>No, Bill-O isn't stupid at all. He's a lot smarter than most of the people that work for Fox and he's much more reasonable than the character he plays on tv. But he never breaks character because he's willing to say anything for money.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Of course you're getting downvoted for disagreeing with the liberal hive-mind. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's not a big time for you anymore, Rush.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>"Humanity asks Rush Limbaugh to remove himself from his radio show."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>From what I've read about music licencing on Reddit, and my understanding of buying radio ads, this whole this is just a big PR smoke and mirrors dance to appease the public.</p> | |
| <p>This is all posturing and the illusion of doing something until the issue dies down, but nothing really changes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Rush has been hated by a large number of people of the years and he's always been able to recover from his controversial statements, but I think he crossed the line this time. Most of his other stunts were just offensive comments he made in passing, but this time he went on for days attacking a women very publicly in ways that are sure to make even his most faithful of supporters uneasy. Traditional conservative values would never allow for calling a young women a slut in front of millions of people. He's going to lose a lot of his supporters with this and all of his haters are going to capitalize on this opportunity. Will Rush go away completely? No, probably not. But he is going to take a huge hit to his wallet when this is all said and done.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What I mean is that from my <em>limited</em> understanding of copyright and fair-use is that Rush and Gabriel can make statements that they've told Limbaugh to stop using their music, but legally its just an empty gesture since its within his rights to use the songs within the legal parameters. Its just a public statement to draw heat off of them.</p> | |
| <p>Same too with radio advertisers; companies like Netflix buy blind blocks of time across multiple stations, and don't know what specific program their ads run on. So saying that they have instructed buyers to not be on a specific show is something of a empty PR gesture. It really amounts to a small line buried deep in a contract that says 'no Limbaugh', but actually somewhat goes against how buyers book airtime; and will be nearly impossible to enforce, especially if the public starts asking for other exceptions.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>shock the monkey!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>SHOCK the monkey!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Watch the monkey get hurt!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Spank the monkey!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why was it cool before? I am REAL surprised Rush let it go on for as long as it did.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I used to like Rush. I'm not sure what was wrong with me at the time. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In all fairness "Limelight" is a fucking awesome song.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Here comes the flood... of people ostracizing Rush Limbaugh</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Was waiting for this. Surprised Mr. Gabriel didn't know.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>is he still using the Pretenders' "Way to go Ohio" as bumper music?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>When I heard him spewing assholishness while Sledgehammer played in the background, I was disappointed in Peter. Relieved to see this happen.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Successful musicians sell their distribution rights along with their soul. There is no place to reclaim your soul after it is sold. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Like taking candy from a baby.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>why the fuck do I clearly remember hearing news that Peter Gabriel died last year? </p> | |
| <p>(He's alive, YAY!)</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>While he looks like <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fat_bastard.jpeg">Fat Bastard (I want my baby back, baby back, baby back ribs)</a>, his latest squeeze, <a href="http://xfinity.comcast.net/blogs/tv/files/2010/06/limbaugh-marries-fourth-time.jpg">wife #4, is hot & 25 years younger than him</a>. I wonder what she sees in him.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Doesn't Rush use "Take Me To The River" by The Talking Heads anymore? | |
| I'm sure Al Green and David Byrne wouldn't be too thrilled to be associated with him.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Peter Gabriel has been my favorite artist for over two years, i also love his work in Genesis....it makes me so proud to see him on the front page and to see so many references to his songs in the comments :)</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Isn't peter gabriel the bad guy in Die Hard 4? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Class act, Peter Gabriel is just too awesome for ignorant hate spewing nuts.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>NOW Peter Gabriel is awesome? What, up until now Limbaugh was okay in his hatred rhetorics?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The vast majority of music artists have no control in how their music is used or by whom on the radio. Licensing is the prerogative of the record companies who are the actual owners of the music. Peter Gabriel has probably never listened to Rush Limbaugh before and only became aware of his use of his song once this clip gained notoriety.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Always was for me, more so now. Been listening to his music since he was with Genesis. I'm old.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I doubt that he was actively allowing Rush L. to use his work, Rush was most likely using it on his own accord, and because songs on the radio have some license or whatever that the station pays, they can play whatever song they like that's part of that agreement.</p> | |
| <p>I think.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I guess that's what Vampire Weekend was saying when they sang, "And Peter Gabriel too."</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It feels awkward to sing your own name.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Rush Limbaugh has always been an asshole drug addict.</p> | |
| <p>This was, apparently, the last straw.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Dead horse.... beaten yet again.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>And yet you took the time out of your busy schedule to comment on this issue. You are the real hero!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I do what I can to help stop the retards of the internet bandwagoning together over stupid shit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I doubt you changed anyones mind with your obviously well put together argument. Oh when will the world see you for the genius that you are. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>youmad.jpg ?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Wegotarealbadass.jpg</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Glad to see people are finally treating Rush like the social leper he is. A fat, deaf, drug-addicted, limp-dicked leper.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Down voted. Deafness is not a factor here. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I keep thinking of the Bill Hicks bit talking about Rush being the fat guy in the bathtub with a bunch of guys pissing on him while he goes "I can't get hard, I can't get hard!"</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>yeah, the deafs are assholes!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>is this still going on? Jesus, seems like nobody can move on from this non-issue. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Or Journey. That's an alternative too.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>no he was in genesis</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Can an artist say that </p> | |
| <ul> | |
| <li>the rate for playing my songs is variable, </li> | |
| <li>by playing it you have accepted my terms, and </li> | |
| <li>my terms for you is a million dollars per occasion?</li> | |
| </ul> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Nope.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>yeah doesn't work that way. depending on the song / album / artist, they probably don't even control the rights to any significant degree.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I listen to Rush Limbaugh pretty much every day and I've never, not once, heard a song by either Peter Gabriel or Rush (the group). His intro song is about the only thing he plays on a regular basis ... I seem to remember Rush saying that he was ditching music on his show because of how the royalties were calculated for internet streaming (which he does from his site). He does play parody songs by Shanklin and there are a few established "update" songs but nothing by a major artist ... </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You can clearly hear Peter Gabriel's "Sledgehammer" playing in the clip where Rush Limbaugh bashes Mrs. Fluke. Sooooo, what are you talking about? Have you seen or heard the clip? Or, are you implying that the song was added in later?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm guessing it was added later because Rush doesn't play music while he's talking. Do you have a link to the clip you're referencing? I didn't hear a good bit of the Fluke stuff so I didn't get it live.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It's called 'bumper music;' the show uses a snippet of a song when they return from a commercial break. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I know it's bumper music, but I don't remember him using anything by a major artist. Maybe he does and I simply don't pay that much attention, but I'm pretty sure he doesn't use it because the royalties were too high when he started streaming his show (much more expensive than radio broadcast).</p> | |
| <p>Do you have an example from his show that shows otherwise? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Cat likes using dog as blanket. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What's gonna work? Teamwork!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I said this in the middle of a dodgeball game. All the parents smiled, everyone else wtf'd. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>...Ladies.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><sup><em>Awkward!</em></sup></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>reminds me of this | |
| <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOw9i5KaIVQ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOw9i5KaIVQ</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Mutualism at its finest!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Cats make excellent pillows! This is a fact.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The words "Cat" and "fact" DO NOT BELONG IN THE SAME POST. NEVER DO THIS MAN, NEVER DO THIS.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thank you for subscribing to Cat Facts! Did you know that it has been scientifically proven that owning cats is good for our health and can decrease the occurrence of high blood pressure and other illnesses? </p> | |
| <p>Remember, to cancel your subscription, simply upvote this post into oblivion. Thanks and have a meowgnificent day!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Apparently dogs make excellent seats, one of my dogs sits on the other at any chance possible</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Apparently dogs make excellent seats...</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>My heart almost dropped thinking you were going to say that you sit on your dog.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Not a bad idea</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Cats do not abide by the laws of nature. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Mutualism is so cute. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The feeling is mutual.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Golden retrievers are awesome.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This whole subreddit is a body of data that I use to confirm that every golden retriever looks perfectly identical. </p> | |
| <p>If I took every golden retriever in the world and put them together, their owners would never in 100 years pick out their own (barring some physical disfigurement).</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I can definitely call bull on your theory. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I can definitely call dog on his theory.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The owner doesn't have to pick out their dog, the dog would run at the owner and the lick the crap outta their faces. That's the beautiful unconditional love of a dog. I miss my dogs. :(</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I miss my dog also. Thinking about going down to the shelter and picking one up </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>My cat makes a great pillow! I keep telling the wife when he's finally gone I'm having him stuffed.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Mysterious cause of death being long term crushing wounds from the heavy weight of a human head. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>We don't perform autopsies on cats... unless you're paying cash.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>I keep telling the wife when he's finally gone I'm having him stuffed.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>I went full-retard and had to read that several times before it clicked.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Rowdy</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Cat dont seem to mind none</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>they seem to like generally being "squished" and confined to tight spaces, see; all the cats that squeeze into boxes and other crap all the time.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Did you take this picture with an ipad?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>yes, why?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He's watching you.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Behind you. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>what a beautiful dog. dat face</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>she says thank you</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>we're all thinking it, i'm just saying it... too bad the same can't be said about the cat. dat face</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hey Bus.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Sup. My sister posted this, FYI.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This is a pity upvote. Your own sister hasn't given you one yet. Cold hearted wench that one...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Haha, she does not lurk nearly as much as I do.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Cindy Lou RUDE</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>also, i try not to coddle him</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://chapsandollie.tumblr.com/">Here's a tumblr of these two, they really are a couple</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>And not a single fuck was given.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>When I first brought her home, she was very, very little, and she liked to be on my shoulder and near my face. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>My cat sleeps right next to my head/pillow every night, and i often think about using her as a pillow. | |
| But I dont do it because I think it would hurt her. | |
| But that dogs head cant be very light either, and the cat obviously dont give a fuck.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>There's nothing I find cuter than peoples cats & dogs getting along. Its like some sort of heart-warming disney film</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The shuttle Cat-lumbia is carrying a really big payload. I hope Cat-NASA knows what they're doing...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Kitty pillow!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>don't we all</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Cats: Nature's pillow</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Doesn't appear to be a small cat. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>sadly this is the smaller one of our two cats. cat obesity is rampant at my house</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That's either a really big cat or a really small retriever. Cute pic though.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>big cat</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>My dogs butt makes a good pillow until she farts and runs away.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Who doesn't?? :)</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>haha! My dog uses me as a pillow sometimes!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>isn't that just the cutest thing???</p> | |
| <p>nice pillow fort behind them, BTW.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>AWWWWWWWWW I gotta love Golden Retrievers</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You <em>gotta</em> love them? Is someone forcing you? ARE YOU BEING HELD HOSTAGE? SAY PICKLES IF YOU'RE BEING HELD HOSTAGE WE'LL RESCUE YOU BRO.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>PICKLES PICKLES OH NO HE'S HERE AHFOWAGHWAPJJWPROGJVRGJVAWPGJJgqvjrgkj[wrgj[wjrgj[</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Dog needs pillow. Super Kitty to the rescue.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>is that a Cubs pillow next to the pillowcat?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>that's right feline, serve me as a pillow, or see your head parted from body</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Everybody needs a kitty for a pillow, everybody needs a kitty. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That is so cute.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Someone please tell me why people find this photo interesting? wait don't tell me...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Thats cute!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That Corgi in the tumblr vid looks confused and sad</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Or the cat likes to use the dog as a blanket</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>True story did this as a kid. Woke up. Couldn't breath. In ambulance can breath again. Mildly allergic to cats</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Well, at least the dog won't accuse the cat for being 'useless'</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I would own a cat if:</p> | |
| <ol> | |
| <li>The cat didn't shed</li> | |
| <li>The cat didn't bite or claw any person or physical object</li> | |
| <li>The cat was cuddly with my Cairn Terrier</li> | |
| </ol> | |
| <p>Unfortunately ...</p> | |
| <ol> | |
| <li>Cats shed a copious amount of very clingy fur.</li> | |
| <li>Cats will likely bite and/or claw.</li> | |
| <li>No way of telling if the cat will be hospitable towards my Cairn.</li> | |
| </ol> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Some breeds of cat shed a lot less than others, and I think you're overstating the biting and clawing thing. When I adopted a cat, she tried to bite when playing, and scratched at a corner of the wall. I refused to play with her when she bit and yelled "ow", and within two weeks she started licking when she would otherwise have bit. I bought a scratching post and encouraged her to use it, and she lost interest in scratching anything else. I've known multiple people with cats and not one had a biting/scratching problem.</p> | |
| <p>The Cairn thing is a valid concern. I would think if you got the cat young enough it would have no problem with your dog. In my experience, they get used to any animal they meet as a kitten.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Here sport, <a href="http://i.imgur.com/2VTiR.png">you deserved it.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Thank you, I'm flattered. I think there's a misconception out there that cats can't be trained out of undesirable behaviors. That's not true at all. The techniques I used were widely available on the internet... you just have to care enough to actually do some research, and be consistent in how you reinforce the desired behavior.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I've heard of tits being used as a pillow, but a pussy?! Must investigate further...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>fuckin animals dont belong on the couch</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You're an animal. ;) </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>heres what i learned. although i have never come across CP, if i ever do, delete immediately, and forget about it forever. 1 random download link and police take my computer for a YEAR? wha-ha-ha-HELL no</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Threads like this make me head on over to google 'truecrypting my everything'.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>In the UK you can go to jail for not telling the police your encryption password.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That's what TruCrypt's second layer password protection is for: UK police and US CIA torture.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What if you truly forget it?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>They will still throw you in jail. As with CP its a liability offense which means they don't have to actually establish you did something bad, merely that you had something in your possession that is bad. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Well fuck. Maybe someone should just write a worm that spreads through the countries internet and downloads one little CP image into a hidden folder, and then notifies the police.. then everyones a paedo, we're all going to jail, but there isn't space in jail, which would mean we'd have to use our homes as the jail cells...which would mean we could just stay at home.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It would be trivially easy for a trojan to download an encrypted file of CP (with a password that was easy to brute-force) into an obscure directory. It would only be detected as suspicious via a forensic analysis.</p> | |
| <p>I suspect that many people on Reddit have encountered trojans on their PCs.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I know, I'm a software developer, I'm not arguing the technicalities of this. I am saying that 'someone' could do that and the police would then charge that person, but if 52 million people did it, then well fuck.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The <a href="http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2000/23/contents">Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000</a> Says a max of a fine and 2 years in prison, that sounds much less harsh than the CP laws, plus they wouldn't put you on a sex offender list if you failed to give up the password.</p> | |
| <p>Given the amount of material some people have from unknown origin, I think it's probably a good idea to keep the password in many cases. Plus the last guy to get thrown in jail for that seems to have gotten only 4 months, not the full 2 years.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Won't help. In the UK not revealing your password to the police will get you 2 years in prison. </p> | |
| <p>Edit: Do you people read before hitting the reply button? I do not need another 9865487 replies about truecrypt's hidden volume, thank you. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hmm, someone up for creating encryption in which you have two passwords: one to decrypt and one to delete all content that is encrypted and replace it with cat pictures?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Sir, these unclothed cats are underage! </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Dat pussy!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Truecrypt lets you set up two passwords and depending on what password, will unlock one partition without being able to trace any other partitions.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=plausible-deniability">http://www.truecrypt.org/docs/?s=plausible-deniability</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>[deleted]</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hidden volume? | |
| Ninja edit: That sucks, in America we luckily have 5th amendment.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Not just taking your laptop away for a year, but tarnish your reputation and damage your social interactions with anyone even remotely connected to children. Fuck that shit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>hell I've accidentally clicked stuff on here and while I wipe my cache regularly, i wouldn't be surprised if an image I never looked at was in my cache. Its absurd to say that if anyone has an objectionable image they must have downloaded it intentionally. Plus mislabeled/disguised link, clicking an adjacent link, etc. On top of that, context is everything- one image of your friend's kid playing on the lawn in a swimsuit that was in a flicker stream you clicked through means nothing either. But of course once you're under investigation, they'll use that in their count because everything gets painted with that brush. IMHO with the way malware and bad links and everything are on the internet, it should be unconscionable to convict someone purely on the basis of the contents of their disk unless they catch the person actively seeking out such photos and/or the photos are organized into a special location or something that displays tangible intent. Half the people on reddit probably have something that could be seen as illegal on their drive due to any of the above reasons. This scares the shit out of me.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Context is everything</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Oh you had BETTER believe that!</p> | |
| <p>A while ago, my computer was seized because, according to the warrant, I had visited a website that the police had been monitoring. Once. One single time, a year previous. I was now part of an investigation on child pornography.</p> | |
| <p>I, being your average early 20's man, had some porn on my computer. The majority of it <strong>extremely</strong> soft core. I had maybe 2 pictures that were of actual intercourse.</p> | |
| <p>The list I received after the went through my hard drive was ridiculous! About 50+ photos, all of which were the free previews, that I got the link of the website from in a major mens publication!</p> | |
| <p>Half a dozen other nn photos</p> | |
| <p>Annd 4 or 5 actual nude photos of girls with small breasts, that the police deemed "underaged". There was NOTHING underaged in my small collection, but I <em>am</em> a fan of small tits. In my country, that is apparently against the law. At least in these peoples eyes.</p> | |
| <p>Anyway, rambled on. Sorry.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>that sounds terrible. how did that end up? if you're still on the internet, I presume the courts ended up in your favor eventually?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, no conviction, but a year long battle that tore my life apart.</p> | |
| <p>Oh well, move on I guess. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>im glad it was essentially resolved in your favor. I hope the rest of your life is less eventful.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I hope he goes on a roller coaster. And gets a cake afterwards.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You from Austrialia? Because the law there says being attracted to small breasted women (regardless of the age of the model) is considered paedophilia.</p> | |
| <p>Or at least some of the politicians consider it and are pushing the laws in that direction.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>So what about women who naturally have small breasts? Are they just completely fucked since that law essentially makes it illegal for any guy to date them? Are they required to fuck underage boys for the rest of their lives?</p> | |
| <p>What in the actual fuck?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I read that:</p> | |
| <ul> | |
| <li><p>no nude women can be depicted in Australia with their inner labia showin/sticking out</p></li> | |
| <li><p>Women in Australia have surgeries done to make their inner labia smaller so they wont stick out. </p></li> | |
| </ul> | |
| <p>In short vaginas in Australia's nudy mags and those of a number of RL women look more like children's, how about that?</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/9924049">Vimeo link to a short documentary</a> NSFW- vaginas and surgery</p> | |
| <p><del>EDIT: of course, they can NOT be depicted etc</del></p> | |
| <p>EDIT2: what the fuck did the dentist put in the shot he gave me, anyway, it was ok before I edited it</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's insane D:</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I am horrible @ this but:</p> | |
| <p><a href="https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&site=&q=australia+small+breast+ban">https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&site=&q=australia+small+breast+ban</a></p> | |
| <p>lol, yeah... this is our own faults, being so passive in who we vote for :/</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, it's fucking bullshit.</p> | |
| <p>I find <a href="/r/Xsmall">/r/Xsmall</a> women beautiful and are what I am attracted to. I don't have anything against bigger breasts, but it's not what I am attracted to.</p> | |
| <p>xsmall != children! ffs.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It's estimated that one in five web users has inadvertently stumbled across child porn. Oh, and the offence doesn't have an intent element, simply possessing the image is grounds for a conviction. It gets even worse, too - since it's not a physical image, and instead a series of bytes that's assembled into an image, they often charge people with <em>producing child porn</em> under these circumstances rather than simply possessing it.</p> | |
| <p>Remember, we're just protecting the children. From nobody.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>hell I've accidentally clicked stuff on here and while I wipe my cache regularly, </p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>In the UK that's not enough if you are computer savvy. The test for deleting something is beyond your reach, if you are computer literate enough to figure out how to install recovery software then simply deleting it is not enough.</p> | |
| <p>If you really want to protect yourself then run CCLeaner to deal with tumbmnail caches etc and use <a href="http://eraser.heidi.ie/">http://eraser.heidi.ie/</a> to shred free space.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>IT Security Consultant here - I always recommend that people use a portable browser downloaded to a ramdisk and set to purge on close, (In Windows) for an added layer of protection.. nothing hit's the disk and it increases browser speed considerably. In linux the setup is slightly more complicated. Always run secure wiping disk cleaning software regularly... It's a good habit, it keeps cruft from building up and it gives a sensible answer as to why your disk is squeaky clean, should you even be the subject of a forensic examination. Unfortunately no one piece of software gets everything but CCleaner coupled with Bleachbit should cover almost every sensitive area. </p> | |
| <p>For the super paranoid... people living in opressive countries like those mentioned in this thread for example, could browse using the live linux distro <a href="https://tails.boum.org/news/version_0.10.2/">TAILS</a> which utilizes the tor network for broswing and instant messaging. Even if you manage to click a rogue link, your IP will be obscured.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Don't just delete it but please use a true file destroyer that actually overwrites the deleted file on the drive. One overwrite or low level format of the drive is enough though... A simple format won't do but overwriting the whole drive with zeroes is the end to all discussions on data retrieval. There are some theoretical possibilities to recreate even overwritten data but those are extremely expensive and the result is unusable as evidence in a court of law.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Or, you could do this</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/cT9TX.jpg">http://i.imgur.com/cT9TX.jpg</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/HyrmN.jpg">http://i.imgur.com/HyrmN.jpg</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_%28Unix%29">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shred_%28Unix%29</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>No good deed goes unpunished. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>And no bad deed goes punished if you're a politician.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What fucking subreddits are you subbed to? I swear to god you're on every single post.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><ol> | |
| <li><p>Make memorable username</p></li> | |
| <li><p>Lurk in <a href="/r/all">/r/all</a></p></li> | |
| <li><p>Comment in anything that looks promising.</p></li> | |
| <li><p>Karma train choo choo!</p></li> | |
| </ol> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Has anyone seen AndrewSmith1986 lately?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>new account probably... maybe he is POTATO_IN_MY_ANUS!!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Nah it's POLITE_ALLCAPS_GUY. He got tired of being so polite.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Comment in anything that looks promising.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Meaning reply to every fucking top comment in the thread. Seriously, check all the "top" comments here, he's replied to a lot of them.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I have been seeing a lot of potato in the anus of late as well.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What fucking subreddits are <strong>you</strong> subbed to?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>potato f*cking subreddits.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Thanks for censoring "fucking," you're doing god's work.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>And all good deeds are published all over as if theses politicians are somehow saints.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://human-stupidity.com/stupid-dogma/child-porn-witch-hunt/reported-accidentally-downloaded-child-porn-computer-taken-for-a-year-need-supervision-to-see-own-child">Reported accidentally downloaded child porn: computer taken for a year, needs supervision to see own child</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I torrented what I thought was one of Time Life's 70s rock collections. After I opened it, I had to go get fairly drunk to wash away what I merely passed my eyes over. But just knowing it there on my computer (deleted, but still there somehow) made me feel like some essence of evil floated by and tapped me on the shoulder, yelling "tag! you're it!" </p> | |
| <p>I could not wipe my hard drive fast enough. Haven't downloaded a torrent since, come to think of it. </p> | |
| <p>Sometimes I wonder if I should've reported it, but now I'm kind of glad I didn't. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Somewhere in an office at the RIAA, a light-bulb appeared above a lawyer's head. "We can't beat them in court, let's disgust them with CP to scare them from never downloading a torrent again! Muahahahahah!"</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Somewhere in an office at the RIAA, a lawyer <em>really</em> isn't familiar with people who use the Internet.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Maybe it was the Nevermind by Nirvana album cover art.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Or: Scorpions - Virgin Killer</p> | |
| <p>(google at own risk)</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>all people at google have cp! lock em' up!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This is wrong on so many levels. The paedophile paranoia in this country is ridiculous.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I think I saw picture of a sign in a park where it said something like 'Adults not allowed unless with a child.' Not sure where it was but it really is just getting a bit ridiculous. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm a male nanny and I deal with this sort of ridiculousness all the time. One time I was off work and walking around golden gate park talking on my cell phone and started walking around a playground when a park ranger came up and asked me if I was there with any children. When I replied "no, I'm not. I'm on the phone." She told me I had to vacate the playground. I'm not some old man either, I'm in my 20's. What if I wanted to go on the swings or something? In anycase, its total bullshit. The media has sensationalized rape, murder, pedophiles, and kidnapping to such extreme levels that its near impossible to be a male in my profession. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>And it's all "Stranger Danger", which is bullshit. Almost all molestation happens within the family, so if there are 11 guys at a park and 1 guy doesn't have a kid with him, he's the least likely one to be a child molester. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm constantly telling the clucking hens in my work that crime has been falling since the early 90's and you're point regarding the molester being known to the child.</p> | |
| <p>Doesn't make one blind bit of difference.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I don't have a kid, but I am about to go have fun on the swing. I can't? Why not? I pay taxes for this goddamn park, I get the right to be here.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I couldn't agree more, Its a public space for crying out loud. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I would have told her to go fuck herself and had a go on the swings.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I don't believe you</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I was sitting on the swing when she came up to me and I did give her an earful. In the end it wasn't worth the battle so I just walked away. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Similar story I learned in Disney World. </p> | |
| <p>I made a 45 minute line to take a picture with the cast member dressed as Alice and when I got there they told me I couldn't take the picture with her alone, I needed to be with another female or a child. </p> | |
| <p>I was mad beyond belief. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Cast member here, I have never heard of this happening, but I would be outraged! Get the CMs name and report it all to Guest Correspondence.</p> | |
| <p>We do listen! :-)</p> | |
| <p>ALSO: Im very sorry this happened to you!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Disney park employees are like cult members, confirm/deny.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Most are. We take a lot of pride in what we do (we certainly aren't in it for the money), so we are quick to recognize great work, but we are also equally quick to find out those that give us a bad rep and try to correct the issue.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I have to say after spending a week at the wild kingdom resort last year, you guys/girls rock! super nice and entertaining on offf the job. keep it up.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>If they require a female, why didn't you go on Craigslist and hire the cheapest, most low-class, meth-addicted escort you could find to take the picture with you? Between spiting Disney World, getting a picture with you, Alice and a hooker (bonus points if you invite her pimp too), and seeing the smile on the hooker's face when you pay her way into Disney World, it's winning all around. </p> | |
| <p>In fact, I'm booking a ticket to Orlando now. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Nice try low-class, meth-addicted "escort"</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>*Who has never been to Disney World.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>*Neither has her <del>pimp</del>Job Creator.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This idea needs to be made into a Tumblr blog immediately.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>"And here I am with Latwonda and Stephen Hawking."</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I have never heard of this or seen it happening in all the times of going to Disney. They go out of their way to make sure people are happy and will be returning </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, I'm sure if he had been wearing pants, none of this would have happened.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>"It's ok, I'm meeting one in there"</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>They should have arrested every man, woman, and dog within a 5-mile radius of that computer. </p> | |
| <p>You know: to protect the children.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It really is the modern-day witch hunt. If I walk over to my neighbors house and paint "pedophile" on his garage door, his reputation is immediately (and likely permanently) fucked. Most people wouldn't even ask why. </p> | |
| <p>It's also ridiculous that a kid who goes streaking on his college campus and gets caught is to be branded with the same life-ruining stigma that a child molester has, "Sex offender".</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I will always remember this famous Chris Morris Brass Eye satire from the early 2001 which caused so much outrage, but is also pretty accurate about the insane hysteria this country has:</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-lroPLKs58&oref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fresults%3Fsearch_query%3Dchris%2Bmorris%2Bbrass%2Beye%26oq%3Dchris%2Bmorris%2B%26aq%3D2%26aqi%3Dg10%26aql%3D%26gs_sm%3D3%26gs_upl%3D112l692l0l2615l6l6l0l2l2l0l139l336l1.2l3l0&has_verified=1">Youtube Link - Very much worth watching</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'll watch when I'm back from work.</p> | |
| <p>I work at an all-girls school so I'm all too familiar with how paranoid people are these days. We still get parents who are shocked that males are even working here.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The situation is extremely sad to me. I'm only 20 years old and I have become aware of this distrust and fear of men from personal experience. </p> | |
| <p>I work part time at a supermarket and at a mall and have been a tutor for children and have been a camp counselor at sports camps. I have always tried to engage children and make them laugh when I see them while working, just to be friendly. </p> | |
| <p>Now I am unlikely to even smile at them. The dirty and suspicious looks are just not worth it, and they have sucked the joy out of being around children.</p> | |
| <p><strong>edit: accidentally a word</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Theres a good line in dan le sac VS scroobius pip "Thou Shalt always Kill"</p> | |
| <p>"Thou shalt not think that any male over 30 that plays with a child that is not their own is a pedophile, some people are just nice;" </p> | |
| <p>Actually listening to all these lyrics there's a lot of good advice.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I quite like the "they're just a band" one. Very good with words, that guy. Letter To God is also rather thought provoking. Very cutting.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It's a shame you feel that way, I work in a supermarket and I always, always interact with the children, they are always happy when I say hello and ask them how they are, or I smile at them, it also makes me happy to see them smile and know they're not unhappy. | |
| When it comes to toddlers I give a little wave when they're in the trolley and sometimes they wave back or their parents say "go on, wave back" with a smile, I've never encountered any dirty looks or anything of sorts.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Statistically, the person most likely to sexually abuse a child is its father. The person most likely to kill or otherwise abuse a child is its mother.</p> | |
| <p>Clearly, all children should be sent to special holding centres until they are of age.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It's not the kid's fault, don't punish them.</p> | |
| <p>Instead we should just send all parents to prison for 18 years after their child is born. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Found out recently Charlie Brooker helped write that.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Charlie Brooker is a genius.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Can't view content in my country.</p> | |
| <p>:(</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLyLGrbKokI">This should work (NSFW).</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlEcGHxfltE">And a clip: Paedophile disguised as a school.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He really is a shit</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>There was an 8 Year Old boy accidentally sent into space with him. He is now trapped in space with the monster. Hahaha. Brasseye had some brilliant writing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><strong>THIS WAS THE ONE THING WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAPPEN</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>"The uploader has not made this video available in your country"</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>I cant view this in America? the uploader is <em>LITERALLY</em> <strong>HITLER</strong>.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hey, those of us living outside the Land of the Free have to put up with that shit <em>every minute of every day</em>.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>HAH! Now you now how the rest of us feel <strong><em>all the time!!!</em></strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Did you know that the uploader's DNA actually has <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEolSjlcqng">more in common</a> with <em>crabs</em> than with you or I?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>There's no actual evidence for this but it is a scientific fact.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He would have been better off just deleting it. Going to the authorities sure helped him.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This will just make people even more reluctant to report crimes then they already are.</p> | |
| <p>Cases like this really don't help at all.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Mr Robinson said: "It makes you feel as though you shouldn't have reported it in the first place."</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>...is one of the most important reflections in the whole article.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>And the politicians can point at the vastly reduced number of reports and claim victory. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Never thought of it like that. Mindfuck.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Exactly. Hmmm, should I back up my files, format my hard drive and be done with this whole mess in an hour or should I report it, have my computer confiscated for a year, treated like a scumbag, have to be supervised with my own daughter, and possibly have criminal charges brought against me? That's a tough one.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Rednecks have have system for dealing with pests like coyotes or wolves called the 3 Ses:</p> | |
| <p>Shoot | |
| Shovel | |
| Shut up</p> | |
| <p>In this case it would be:</p> | |
| <p>Delete</p> | |
| <p>Destroy (the laptop)</p> | |
| <p>DONT FUCKING TELL ANYBODY </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Don't forget to burn down your neighborhood. Just to be sure.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Might want to nuke everything from orbit too. Can never be too safe.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>The police took the laptop away for investigation and said it could be a year before it is returned..</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>why can't authorities just take the hard drive out and leave the laptop?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This has come up before. As far as I recall it's because of law-wrangling. They <em>have</em> to take the entire computer, monitor cables and all, or they'd have to bring in outside parts to look at what is essentially evidence, thus tampering with evidence. Or something.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yep. Digital Forensics is very easy to dispute unless you recreate the exact situation in which the laptop was originally used, just without any network access. It's all about making sure the defense can't throw the case out because of evidence tampering.</p> | |
| <p>It is also why film was used in forensic photography for a lot longer than the general publics use</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A friend of mine had a family laptop taken during an ongoing investigation.</p> | |
| <p>It's because (illogically) in court the defence lawyer would argue the evidence has been undermined. Bear in mind most judges probably barely know how to use a computer in the first place.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There was even a case in the UK a few years ago in which, during a trial, a judge had to be given a short tutorial on what the internet is, but failed to understand it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What's so difficult to understand about "a series of tubes filled with cats"?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Because they are not very intelligent or polite.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Down vote me if you like, but the honest truth is that they do this as a form of punishment. This happened to a friend of mine who was going through a messy divorce. His Ex lied to the police saying that he was abusive etc, and they started harassing him at work, showing up late at night or waking him up early in the morning and ultimately confiscating almost everything he owned with an electrical plug for over two years. They never charged him with anything, they just took his stuff and held on to it (speculation ahead) because they knew that they had no evidence against him but would rather be on the side of the "victim" instead of remaining impartial.</p> | |
| <p>Innocent until proven guilty is bullshit, in the eyes of the police we are all guilty, no proof required.</p> | |
| <p>Edit: Clarity</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This was mentioned in another thread which escapes me at present, but at least in the US, the legal requirement for examining computer equipment is that the computer be examined in its <i>exact</i> original state. </p> | |
| <p>The other thread was about why police always seem to take monitors along with desktops, and although it doesn't make much sense from a technical standpoint, the language of the law that drives it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I can tell you from a background in software QA, that many things can change when you just try to analyze just part of a system. Given that this particular case may not justify it, I'm sure there have been at least a few situations in which having all of the original equipment has allowed for certain thing to be discovered which otherwise would not have been. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Probably a Kazaa-like service.</p> | |
| <p>Don't the bots on there just rename the file to whatever you search for so it might be something completely different to what you expect.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Back in the Limewire days I tried to download "Deftones - Around the Fur". Well, what I got was a chick being doubled down on by 2 German Shepards. </p> | |
| <p>DIDNOTWANT.jpg</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I guess you <em>technically</em> got what you were looking for?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I dunno, but that's sure as hell what my 14 year old self told my mother when she found my porn stash.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes, penalize the public for doing the right thing. That is clearly the way to engender the kind of society we want. /s</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Just registered to post this. I'm a digital forensic analyst in the UK, and most of my work comes from Law Enforcement Agencies. </p> | |
| <p>I'd like to point out that, when the guy reported to the Police about finding IIOC on his laptop, then the Police have to do something about it. They have to seize the laptop as it's an exhibit, and the guy admitted that there's illegal material on it. That also means that they cannot give it back until they're sure that there's nothing illegal on it, and as a number of Police forces have backlogs for digital investigations (blame budget cuts for that) then they might not get around to looking at the laptop for a while. They cannot take an image (forensic copy) of the hard drive and give the device back for the same reason.</p> | |
| <p>I've worked with a lot of cops in the UK, by and large they really don't want to inconvenience people, but they can't risk giving an exhibit back if they don't know for certain if there's IIOC on the computer or not. </p> | |
| <p>As for the suspect being banned from seeing his own daughter alone, that will be the result of protocols put in place by CPS/Child Protection etc. I won't comment on that, not my area of expertise.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What would you have done in his situation, then?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>is he likely to be charged?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I have no idea at all, I have just as much information (the suspect's account in the BBC article) as you do. </p> | |
| <p>If there's definitely IIOC on there, and whoever analyses the machine does not find evidence that suggests that illegal images were deliberately sought for, then whilst he'd still be technically guilty of 'making' (UK law classifies creating a copy, ie downloading an image, as 'making') and probably 'possession', if his story checks out then I like to think that he wouldn't be charged. I've known cases where that's been the result (ie, all clear, computer handed back with everything wiped and important files saved).</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>how does it take a year to investigate a laptop, all the while he cant be alone with his daughter, because "just in case"</p> | |
| <p>also why would a pedo got to the police anyway???</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It takes a year because the company that actually investigates the laptop has a backlog of 500 machines to go through until they actually start analyzing his laptop. The police usually doesn't have the capabilities to actually do this kind of work themselves.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Mr Robinson said: "It makes you feel as though you shouldn't have reported it in the first place."</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Nailed it. This is the exact reason I would never, ever, ever report child pornography should I happen to stumble upon it somewhere. </p> | |
| <p>Possible positive outcomes of this scenario: some weirdo I dont know goes to jail</p> | |
| <p>Possible negative outcomes: 1) I go to jail and get labelled a sex offender for the rest of my life, making it impossible to get a job or lead a fulfilling life, or 2) All my electronics get confiscated for an indefinite period of time and I am treated like a criminal while not being given the option to defend myself.</p> | |
| <p>Doesnt seem worth it, ever. While I dont at all support child pornography in any way, nor the people sick enough to make or distribute it, we have used our fear of children being abused to pass laws which otherwise would be deemed unconstitutional. Its really the one of the only types of laws I can think of where you can be acting completely in good faith and above and beyond any moral or legal obligation, and still be punished for "committing".</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I totally agree with the view not to report it which is sad because the positive outcome is not just some weirdo going to jail but possibly some children don't get dragged down into the horrible world.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was hit with something like this.</p> | |
| <p>My son almost fell off the change table because he had learned to roll over during the day while I was at work and I didn't know. I blocked him with my belly and grabbed his leg to make sure he didn't fall the 3-4' to the floor. My wife was just on the other side of the wall at the time, ran in, and saw me holding him precariously, and helped me get him back onto the table because I was in an awkward position.</p> | |
| <p>Next day is his scheduled pediatrician visit, and because he's got finger mark bruises on his leg, they have to report it to CPS. CPS comes to the home, interviews me and my wife. I tell the truth, my wife gets wishy washy because she technically was on the other side of the wall and only saw the immediate aftermath, so to be safe CPS decides I can't be alone with my son for a few months. Of course, I'm mad because she didn't have my back, considering she bloody well saw me standing there holding his leg.</p> | |
| <p>That set off a chain reaction so that every time I touch that kid from that point out, my wife saw abuse. If I burped him over my shoulder - abuse. If I picked him up by his hips while he was crawling because he loved it as a "catch me" game - abuse. Within a year, she's walking out the door with the kid feeling completely justified because all she sees is abuse.</p> | |
| <p>That event culminated in my wife phoning my family behind my back to tell them I was abusing our son. My family lives clear across the country from her, but she felt the obligation to tell them so that "her side of the story" would get out. Apparently she cared enough about the opinions of complete strangers that she felt she had to do it.</p> | |
| <p>So, after flying down to see him on a visit with my sister, my sister has a meltdown on the side of the highway, because she has now seen me with him, seen the play and the love, and realizes that for two years she's believed me to be a child abuser without warrant. She's ashamed of herself and is bawling because she has to confess. We talk and she tells me that my entire family has been contacted like this.</p> | |
| <p>So, that one CPS visit ultimately cost me my marriage, my son, and estranged me from my family. The next family dinner I confronted everyone, they all admitted it, and when I asked them who actually believed her stories, none of them could look me in the eye. I couldn't believe that they could believe that about me. I hadn't lifted a finger in anger against anyone since I was 15 (I was 30 at this point). My relationship with them has never been the same.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>similar (slightly) story, my first daughter was like 8 months old and i was deployed to the middle east, she fell off the bed and landed on her wrist and broke it ... my wife scooped her up immeadiatly and held her til she stopped crying and everything went on as normal, my wife made an appointment to take her to the dr just to get her checked out, the appointment was like 3 days later, so she goes in they do an xray and find out its broken ... they tell my wife to go to this special waiting area its a room with a bed and some toys and windows on every side (2 way mirrors) so my wife is in there waiting and she ends up being stuck in there for 5 hours before she finally starts complaining about being thirsty (she was breastfeeding at the time) so they bring her water and she asks why am i here still when can i go? and they tell her that she can't leave with the baby and that if she wants to leave she is free to leave but she can't be alone with the baby, so she is like wtf ... so another 2 hours pass and finally some lady comes in to "interview" her, the lady is from child protective services, so she asks how it happened and everything and if she was married and all of this other stuff and the entire time she is just interrogating her about what happened over and over and over again. finally she leaves and consults with some other lady and then 2 of them come back in and its like a "gotcha" moment, they say "why have you not mentioned your husband in any of this" and she says, "because he had nothing to do with this" and they straight up said, "we think you are trying to cover for him" and she said to them "you must be out of your fucking mind, he's been in the middle east for the last 9 months" and they were like oh and left without saying anything, they were trying to imply that it was me that broke her arm ... so finally they let my wife go after the baby was held captive for 15 hours, they told her "you are free to leave any time but you have to leave the baby with us" and she managed to get a message to me and i called the hospital from overseas raging to holy hell talking about calling my senator and finally got someone in charge and threatened them with a lawsuit and told them my next call was to the police about unlawful imprisonment and they let her go with the baby, but only on the condition that she consent to a house visit and i told her fuck no consent to nothing but my wife was tired and dehydrated and starving so she just consented ...</p> | |
| <p>so they came visited the house while i was still in the middle east, and my wife had her friend over and filmed the whole thing, like in the ladies face with a video camera and everything went well ... we got to keep the child (thank god) but the whole point of the story was, we did the right thing by taking her to the doctor and were punished and threatened for it ... i find it insane that the state can hold your child without any kind of due process ... now i am reluctant to cooperate with ANY kind of authority because we were burned by that whole process, it generates an extreme ammount of distrust for any type of agency or authority, i dare someone to try and take my child, you've heard of mama grizzly but she aint got shit on me if you try and fuck with my children ...</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm so sorry this happened to you both. </p> | |
| <p>I know why they did it (the clinical pathway for suspected child abuse is really strict because it's a collection of evidence), but in all honesty, these cases get out of hand very quickly. Our instructor told us that her own daughter got caught in a case like this, and she had to come down hard on the hospital (as a doctorate-level nurse administrator) to make them drop it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So you know why they left her in there for 5 hours without water? Please do tell.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's incompetence. Not protocol or malice.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd probably disown my entire family after something like that</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This sounds less like CPS' fault, and more like your wife is a complete and utter cunt. Either way, all the sympathies in the world to you.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think that having a "professional" tell you that you're not looking at things the right way, and tells you to be extra sensitive to abuse, can lead to situations like this with some people. It's like a psychologist convincing an adult that he was abused as a kid or that time interrogators managed to convince an innocent boy that he had murdered his sister.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The power of suggestion from a trusted person of influence is quite remarkable.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Oh, CPS provided the excuse, and her native cuntness took advantage of it after that, for sure.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ok so I've learned: Don't have kids, don't go on the internet.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I doubt she was malicious from the start. You'd be surprised what suspicion can do to a person. And the CPS interview was the beginning of that.</p> | |
| <p>IMO no CPS interview - no crazy wife.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm gonna throw in that the overarching media showering of fear and paranoia creates an atmosphere where someone can actually think that about their husband in such a situation contributed too.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Do not involve the authorities in any part of your life. Absolutely do not, there is no decision made by them that has your or your loved ones interest at heart. I am struggling to see my kids because my ex has got her knickers in a twist - remarried, new child, you know the situation, and the fucking authorities are interviewing me to assess my ability to parent?!?! Twisted, biased and unfair. Do not involve the authorities. Sort it out yourselves if you can. IS THAT FUCKING CLEAR? </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Peado-fever is ridiculous in the UK. It's our version of "terrorist".</p> | |
| <p>This was touched on in a TV show called Brass Eye. A satirical comedy special (a must watch!) highlighting the ridiculous nature of our societies fear:</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DN-lroPLKs58">http://www.youtube.com/verify_age?next_url=/watch%3Fv%3DN-lroPLKs58</a></p> | |
| <p>NINJA EDIT: No login required for the video.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>When you have a problem and you decide to involve the police, you now have <em>two</em> problems. You just have to avoid any contact with LEOs, for your own protection.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Never talk to the police.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I once did and had to pay 500 Euro, apparantly my car slammed another car and drove away. Here's the catch I was never at the place where it happened, my car was never damaged, and I had proof I wasn't there. Guess what they got me to pay because I told them sometimes my father uses my car and I park in the city. So they had me pay up with the conclusion that my father could have used my car drove 30 miles for a hit and drive only because there was no time proof that he wasn't at my workplace.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You got conned, no evidence = no crime.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's the thing I could object to it so I did and this took on over a year until a court decided that I had to pay. For the judge it was my word against theirs but they had a witness who saw my car number which is impossible since I was never at that place.</p> | |
| <p>In the end they gave me an ultimatum either pay up or lawyer up. </p> | |
| <p>It wasn't even a hit apparently my car tipped over a motorcycle which then hit a car. I presented my time stamp, my car undamaged but still had to pay.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's bullshit. You should have got a lawyer.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Easy to say when you don't have to pay for said lawyer.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's the bullshit of it though. Either pay us 500, or hire a lawyer for 1000. It's an abuse of the system. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was afraid that it would cost more than the 500 Euro for a lawyer so in the end I caved. Since then I keep all my park tickets and everything time related. I don't want to go through the hassle again.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>NEVER TELL THE AUTHORITIES ANYHTING MORE THAN THE ABSOLUTE MINIMUM</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>NEVER TELL THE AUTHORITIES ANYHTING -FULLSTOP-</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc">Relevant</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Read the article. Not police jurisdicton. Appalling Social services reaction, nothing to do with police.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>But the police must have reported him to SS. No? Probably a stupid rule.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't know protocol in the UK, but in America police HAVE to notify Social Services regarding anything like this.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><strong>Everyone needs to watch the famous "Don't Talk to Cops" video on Youtube.</strong> </p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc</a></p> | |
| <p>An absolute must watch, even if you have no interest in ever committing a crime. This video may save your life one day. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This needs to be the top comment, as well as everyone's personal motto for life. Seriously. The police are not out there to help you. You have the right to remain silent - use it. If you feel you need to involve the police in something, <em>get a lawyer</em>.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Alas, using your right to remain silent can be used against you in the UK.</p> | |
| <p><em>"You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention, when questioned, something you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence."</em></p> | |
| <p>So if you remain silent, then use something that you didn't mention to defend yourself in court, it may harm your defence.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is why you speak through your lawyer/solicitor.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is true, but the harm is informal and credibility related, not "an automatic 5 points lost". </p> | |
| <p>E.g. let's say someone who has chosen to stay silent continue to stay silent all through a police investigation until they build a plausible case, saying that you murdered a woman with a screwdriver. At that point you say that you bought that particular screwdriver the day after the murder and the receipt is in a box at your parents' house. Then you refuse to say anything else. Clearly the police case falls apart, but they can use this to attack your credibility. Why were you willing to open your mouth about this particular thing but nothing else?</p> | |
| <p>If you choose to remain silent until they build the case, and then you decide to talk at length about everything, and justify yourself with scepticism against the police and the general principle that they should be the ones to investigate, I should think the harm is much less.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The thing is, refusal to answer questions is something that can be brought up as evidence. If you didn't bring it up in questioning, then the prosecution is permitted to ask why. For example, you might not give an alibi in questioning but do in court. It's not that unreasonable to at least speculate that he was trying to get his story sorted.</p> | |
| <p>So, you can legitimately refuse to answer questions until your solicitor arrives. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's the moral of the story - however the the UK the Conservatives took away our right to silence in 1994</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Justice_and_Public_Order_Act_1994">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_Justice_and_Public_Order_Act_1994</a></p> | |
| <p>So we DONT have the right to remain silent.</p> | |
| <p>Until cannabis is decriminalised I will never talk to the police at all.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This isn't the US. Things are different here. The police did nothing wrong, but ridiculous council reactions did do something wrong. </p> | |
| <p>The problem is the reaction to child porn here, not the police. They're a great bunch and I talk to them as often as necessary.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yet, if he hadn't reported it to the police and just deleted the pictures, he wouldn't be in trouble now.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They are going to keep his laptop for up to a year. You thing that this is not wrong?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Time and time again it is proved - DO NOT involve the police in your life IN ANY WAY if it does not directly benefit you or your loved one's safety or financial status. You are putting yourself and your family at risk. It is completely naive to expect a massive and now militarized branch of government with NO civillian oversight in most communities to have some sort of Pollyanna, "protect and serve" motives in any circumstance. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Remember people, </p> | |
| <p>When ever you think you're helping out and might do the police a favor, you're actually just giving them a reason to fuck your life up and make you want to killyourself. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Times you should call the cops: </p> | |
| <ul> | |
| <li>you got robbed and need to for insurance purposes</li> | |
| <li>you need immediate assistance</li> | |
| </ul> | |
| <p>Times you should not call the cops:</p> | |
| <ul> | |
| <li>EVERYTHING ELSE.</li> | |
| </ul> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The amount of hysteria in the UK and America over CP is frightening. I almost didn't click on this article for fear the police would take away my kids. I don't even have kids.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"It makes you feel as though you shouldn't have reported it in the first place."</p> | |
| <p>REALLY.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><em>Mr Robinson said: "It makes you feel as though you shouldn't have reported it in the first place."</em></p> | |
| <p>If you see something, shut the fuck up!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>To play devils advocate here, reading this :</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>Mr Robinson, 43, recalled how on discovering the images he discussed the situation with his wife and immediately called police to report the incident.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>I can also imagine a scenario where he <em>did</em> download CP, left it in his download folder, and when his wife browsed there (or was in the room when he himself opened that folder again) it showed up, pushing him to come up with the "omg I tried to download music but it is actually CP" excuse.</p> | |
| <p>Keep in mind we're not hearing every side of the story here; they've confiscated his laptop so research might just conclude his story is BS.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A lot of people who read the story will think like this. His social life will surely be impacted by the ominous "more to it" ("because if he weren't guilty of something police wouldn't treat him like a guilty person").</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well, I operate under the motto "innocent until proven guilty"; unfortunately I'm one of the few.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Unfortunately that motto never applies to crimes involving children. If you're accused, the public will burn you at the stake. At least here in the US.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Never mind being a paedophile, in the UK the public will burn you at the stake for being <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm">a paediatrician</a>. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I assume that you never download music that came in zip bundles. There was always some joker putting porn in some of them, so I can believe that he downloaded some porn without knowing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>While your theory is possible, I find it unlikely that if the guy intentionally dled cp, that he would ever actually call the police. He would more likely pretend to call, or tell his wife he would call in the morning, and never do it. Make up some story about why they don't care etc. But then again, if somebody is missing the circuitry enough to want to see CP, who knows what other wires might be crossed. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't know if you are very familiar with downloading software that came before bittorrent, but there are still people that use it(simply because they don't know better). It was very, very easy to download something else than you expected. Often it was just porn.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's always possible to download something from a file-sharing website, expecting one thing, and then getting a very nasty surprise.</p> | |
| <p>People upload malicious shit all the time.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Police later discover it's the album art for Nevermind...</p> | |
| <p>EDIT.. </p> | |
| <p>In all seriousness though.. this clearly wasn't a purchase from the Amazon Store. What dodgy site did he "decide to download music" from? Also, when have you ever heard anyone finding such material in a music bit torrent download? Maybe it's just me but I would assume that most people who do download music through P2P etc tend to go for well seeded or trusted sources, and / or check the files list. I initially wanted to reach for the pitchfork against the social services, but the more I think about the story the more it seems.. just too weird. </p> | |
| <p>Plus, if the social services did nothing, and he turned out to be a real threat, would there not be more of a scandal? I agree for now that its heavy handed to refuse rights like that without proof, but NO investigation would be worse wouldn't it? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I once reported downloading something nobody should ever download through eMule. It was named like a compilation album of a band I fancy.</p> | |
| <p>I let the police of my country know via their website, including the ed2k link, the original name, the name I had downloaded it as, and when had the download started, finished, and when had I found about it (it was a week or so apart).</p> | |
| <p>They thanked me, told me to delete the file asap, and let me know that they wouldn't be able to tell me anything about any investigation.</p> | |
| <p>So fuck UK police.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sounds like they were pretty nice to you.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Mr Robinson said: "It makes you feel as though you shouldn't have reported it in the first place."</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>This is exactly why shit like this is so terribly wrong.</p> | |
| <p>In college, I was once in a computer lab that was right next to the Lit department's offices. Some of the professors frequently used the large copier/printer in that lab. Well one day I printed something off and when I went to grab it I found a stack of exams with a couple answer keys sitting in the printer. I took them to the main secretary office for the department that was right down the hall and explained how I found them in the printer.</p> | |
| <p>The secretary pretty much treated me like a crime suspect at that point. She kept questioning me about how I got ahold of these tests and what I was doing in the lab, despite it being a pretty simple explanation. When she asked for my student ID and told me to "Wait here while someone from administration comes to speak with you" I finally just flat out told her "Look, I found these in the printer. I didnt print them, nor did I make copies of them. Seeing as there are test answers in here, I figured the department wouldnt want them sitting in a computer lab for anyone to take or make copies of. I thought I was doing the right thing turning them back over to you, but it looks like I should have just left them and minded my own business." I then told her I was leaving and I would be in the computer lab doing my work if someone wanted to speak with me.</p> | |
| <p>No one ever bothered me in the lab after I left. I assume whoever was coming to "speak with me" was pretty content with the story I left her.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The RIAA will sue this poor schmuck for everything he has, the US will extradite him, Anonymous will hack something only vaguely related in retribution, Rush will call him a @#$$!!%$#@, Chris Hanson will hold a special, and some redditor will turn that picture into a meme. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What's next week's lottery numbers? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49</p> | |
| <p>Delete as appropriate</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The child protective services and family courts in the US are just as bad. </p> | |
| <p>My theory is that because they spend all of their time dealing with real sickos they assume that everyone they come into contact with must be just as bad, so when someone finds themselves involved with them through a totally Innocent circumstance they tend to have their lives destroyed.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I hate these situations where you try to be the good guy and you end up in a whole world of shit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So this is the RIAA's new strategy to stop Music Piracy. Download a song, don't see your children. Seems legit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>OK, but nobody will ever go to <a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a> except people already involved in various causes. The whole point of advocacy is that people don't naturally seek out ways to help others.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Reddit has been throwing its weight behind random social causes for years. It's up to individual mods to ban the practice on their subreddits, but I would encourage a case-by-case approach. </p> | |
| <p>Yes, people may not always donate their money to the most cost-effective organizations. But fear of being scammed shouldn't be sufficient to ban people from rallying behind a cause. That redditors have quickly pointed out that Invisible Children isn't an optimum charity is simply evidence that crowd-sourced sanity-checks are working. If you personally don't want to get scammed, wait a day before donating. But it's not every subreddit's job to parent those who will hastily give away five bucks. If users of <a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a> want to help separate the wheat from the chaff, more power to them. But, reddit's problem is not that there is too much advocacy, reddit's problem is too many vapid image links.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thank you for some fucking goddamn sanity.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Oh god another rational person. I was scared there for a second. You can't put all of these posts together in a group, that will just exterminate them. Reddit is a big kid, it can handle itself.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Reddit is a big kid, it can handle itself.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Hmm, I guess there are parallel Reddits.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Reddit has been throwing its weight behind random social causes for years. It's up to individual mods to ban the practice on their subreddits, but I would encourage a case-by-case approach.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>True. It all started with soap.</p> | |
| <p>Or maybe it didn't, but reddit saved a soapier. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>On point. Another sub reddit to be consigned to obscurity over a couple of days of heavy posting. </p> | |
| <p>People can decide for themselves whether or not a cause is worth advocating, and I don't think it needs such heavy handed monitoring.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes, just look at what happened to the occupy posts that never make it to the front page anymore, even though it's still one of the most important social movements in the United States.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's why he posted this here instead of r/advocacy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Exactly, if we want mods to filter something it should be sensationalist titles. I don't mind promoting discussion on any topic on any subbreddit it gets upvoted. Although the more sensationalist a title is usually the more contrasting the most popular comment is so it's not horrible right now.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think it's probably pretty hard to moderate sensationalism.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think we came up with some pretty robust rules over at <a href="/r/RepublicOfPolitics">/r/RepublicOfPolitics</a>.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I agree. I really think this is a bad idea. If there is an entire subreddit designated for it, it will be overrun with every plea imaginable and it won't get a lot of attention because most people don't want to be bombarded with constant pleas for help (at least not enough people to make it count). That's just a reality. The only time other subreddits get bombarded with advocacy pleas are when the issue is big, and that shouldn't be hidden away in some unknown subreddit. If an individual issue gets out of hand then deal with it as it comes, it's rare enough that this whole idea seems over the top. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I find the number of memes, cat posts, macros, facebook threads and chat logs to be much <em>much</em> <strong><em>much</em></strong> more offensive than the occasional advocacy post that manages to break through the meme jungle.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What is the difference between KONY and Tim Schaefer (and the fanboys) posting about his kickstarter which is directly asking for donations?</p> | |
| <p>Why make a big stink over this and not about Super Fine?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Double Fine</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>And yes, exactly. I decide who I give my money to, noone else. Reddit is welcome to offer me options of all kinds.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So much this.</p> | |
| <p>Why do people care how much 'we' donate or get scammed out of? If you didn't pay in, it doesn't matter.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>One involves potentially over-simplifying international issues based on dodgy information. The other one, not so much.</p> | |
| <p>*repeated word</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I thought that Kickstarter was strictly about investments, not donations, but then again I haven't really investigated it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's sort of both. You're donating to create a product, but you're receiving something when the product is done, making it also an investment (not in the literal sense where you get stock in the product). If they don't make enough money to fund the product, you get it back.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>First, it's <strong>Double</strong> Fine.</p> | |
| <p>Second, for better or worse Tim Schaefer is legitimate content in a lot of subreddits. The Kickstarter drive made most of the gaming news websites, which means that it's fair submission material for <a href="/r/gaming">/r/gaming</a>, <a href="/r/games">/r/games</a>, and <a href="/r/gamernews">/r/gamernews</a>.</p> | |
| <p>There's also the issue that, you know, one is politically motivated whereas the other is entirely transparent about what it's doing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think we should create this place as a community where anyone is allowed to submit a subject, thought, or idea and the merits of it are judged by the whole community using an upvote/downvote system. </p> | |
| <p>Oh wait.....</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This can't be stated enough. Also what is wrong with people seeing this site as an opportunity? Can't that be a GOOD thing as well as a bad thing?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The fact of the matter is that EVERY system is going to be abused by the few, there is no avoiding it. But the majority of the people are going to benefit from which ever system that may be in place, making it an overall 'good' thing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>NO! What reddit needs is a small group of moderators to protect us from ourselves.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes so I can be censored by the mods whilst being censored by the government. Cens-ception. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't like how people think a new subreddit is the answer for every percieved problem.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>OMG A FIRE DUH HURR PUT IT INTO A SUBREDDIT</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I would but <a href="/r/fire">/r/fire</a> is taken for the Kindle Fire. D:</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, the moderators of <a href="/r/Kindle">/r/Kindle</a> and I decided to start it up, but the users just didn't want to split themselves between one subreddit for the e-ink kindles and one subreddit for the lcd kindles. <em>shrug</em></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Then just replace it with a ton of "OMG A FIRE" posts. Would be the best subreddit EVER.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>you should turn that entire subreddit to be dedicated to burning things and pyros <em>insert me gusta face</em></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's like they think a new subreddit magically attractis subscribers. Everyone in awhile someone will start a subreddit for the purpose of selling/buying other redditor's artworks. The only problem is that they created the subreddit because the other selling/buying art subreddit became too inundated with sellers and not enough buyers. Repeat, repeat, repeat.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I appear to be in the minority here, but I disagree with this suggestion. I'd be really concerned about this. A large part of what I like about Reddit is that it does point me to some important causes, like the SOPA issue. That campaign would never have gotten as big as it did if it had been limited to one subreddit. </p> | |
| <p>Besides, if all the advocacy posts are in one subreddit, everyone who is subscribed to that subreddit will quickly get overloaded and stop signing things, and everyone else will never see them. </p> | |
| <p>Further, advocacy posts exist in just about every subreddit, and that's okay! If you go to r/alltheleft, for example, there are going to be a bazillion posts asking you to sign a petition or spread the word about something. Because that's what people want!</p> | |
| <p>Anyway, it's pretty simple to just ignore any advocacy posts on the rest of the site. And if reddit gets sucked into some stupid scam/the wrong cause, that's too bad, but I honestly don't think the solution is to try to force these posts into one subreddit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I agree completely. If the majority of redditors don't like it, it'll get downvoted (and if they flood reddit with submissions, the spam filter should sort it out.). If they DO like it, such as in the cases where regular redditors themselves are trying to spread the word about a cause, it deserves to be here.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I dont like the idea of pigeonholing advocacy into a subredit. It feels like the "free speech zones" under the bush administration. Setting them aside so they cant reach the people theyre trying to reach, forcing them to preach to a small choir isnt healthy. What if we develop a subreddit for the people who like to investigate these things to come together and pool their resources? When something pops up like this they can efficiently determine if its legit or not and post their findings.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Grey areas will also emerge. Is talking about "Captain Planet" not okay because it was an environmentally themed show? We would be waging a war on substance. </p> | |
| <p>I'd rather see advocacy rules enforced. When I posted <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tI9ooVHAkME">an advocacy video</a> on Reddit I self imposed three rules that I would like to see from others:</p> | |
| <p>1) I demonstrated that I was a long-time active member of the community not just reading 'Reddit' from a list of exploitable sites. There should be an easy/standard way in place for mods to confirm this.</p> | |
| <p>2) I made sure what I was posting would be interesting / entertaining in its own right, even with the advocacy message removed. </p> | |
| <p>3) No direct appeals for money. People should be directed to a site that they can judge the validity of for themselves. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think #3 here is the most important one. Reddit is a powerful tool for advocacy of any movement (see SOPA and PIPA demonstrations earlier this year). Reddit works so well at this because it is all integrated, a "community of communities," as someone above posted. The idea of forcing all these legitimate causes into a subreddit that, as you can see, is fairly deserted severely limits this power. </p> | |
| <p>I think a simple rule change stating that any advocacy groups asking for donations from redditors must do so via an official website. Most advocacy campaigns have websites already, and it tends to be one of the first things on the "to-do list" of any new campaign. Let the redditors who want to donate to these causes examine the website and decide if it is legitimate enough for them. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Maybe I'm naive, but it doesn't seem like Reddit is being spammed by the Kony campaign. It's just that people see it, think it might be worthwhile to post, and try to earn some Karma without using cats. That goes for like... everything else on reddit. (minus the cats part.. because we love our cats)</p> | |
| <p>Marketing agencies trying to take advantage of high-karma accounts? Okay, let's stop those. But hundreds of different people legitimately posting the same shit because they all find that it's something worth sharing? I don't see a problem with that. Kony was never a 'Reddit thing'. As annoying as it is, it's fucking EVERYWHERE - so chances are, somebody, somewhere of the 6 billion people on earth is gonna post it here. </p> | |
| <p>Claiming that the 'Kony group is spamming the entire site' is like claiming that all the people sharing the video on facebook and twitter are part of this 'Kony group'. It's reddit - links will get posted; popular links will get posted more often. Maybe the subject at hand matters to people. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Here's how you do it:</p> | |
| <p>Step 1: Don't be gullible</p> | |
| <p>Step 2: Use your brain</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I seem to be having trouble with number 2. Are you sure that's the way to do it?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think your assumption that Reddit is a single community is flawed. There's 1.3 million subscribers to this subreddit <em>alone</em>. That's a small city.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's a big city : )</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's .4% of the US population.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well, it's about 25% of my country. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Cool, what country do you own?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That is almost the whole population of Estonia</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I would say that Reddit is a community of communities. We may not feel as much of a vested interest in Reddit as a whole as we feel in the subs we've subscribed to, but that doesn't mean that it isn't in our best interests to think every once in a while about what's good for the site as a whole.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>that doesn't mean that it isn't in our best interests to think every once in a while about what's good for the site as a whole.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Oh, god. Have fun with <strong>that</strong> can of worms. Every time I remember someone doing something that's supposedly in Reddit's best interest (like <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/blog/comments/pmj7f/a_necessary_change_in_policy/">this</a>, which I think almost all of us can agree was a change for the better) you'll get a flood of people whining about censorship and how their free speech is being impeded (on a privately owned and operated website).</p> | |
| <p>There's also the admins to worry about. "Laissez-faire" doesn't even <em>begin</em> to describe the way the site is run. I can only think of a handful of times that they've changed site rules like you seem to be requesting here, so you'd have to get the community to agree on that. And getting more than a million people to agree on anything...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I just don't see how it's good for the site as a whole. Ridding something like <a href="/r/jailbait">/r/jailbait</a> and the like from reddit is an example of something that many would agree is good for the site as a whole, good for its public image at least from a legitimate business standpoint. But forcing every advocacy post <strong>of any kind</strong> into its own tiny subreddit isn't helping reddit as a whole so much as it is helping keep posts (good and bad, mostly good from what I've seen) that you hate seeing off of the average redditor's front page.</p> | |
| <p>Seeing as how everyone who would join <a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a> would likely be aware, already looking for charity organizations, or for a cause to get behind, you're basically preaching to a small choir if you post there and getting your message no further. The whole point of advocating is raising awareness, you cannot raise awareness for a cause if you aren't allowed to publicly call attention to it, and <a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a> seems far from public.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I would say that 90% of the celebrity AMA's are for pure free promotion. This site IS an opportunity for many people. It's just not always obvious. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I am part of an advertising company. My team has manufactured numerous front page posts over the past 2 years. Already, we are prepping for the Dark Knight Rises campaign. This consists of "story boarding" ideas for funny pictures, like maybe a silly situation that happens at a movie theater where the DKR marquee is conveniently in the frame, or a submission that starts with "Look who I found when I went to see the DKR this weekend!". We are also allowed to screen the film early to pick out plot points that would be ripe for a "Scumbag Batman" or "Scumbag Bane" type meme, so we can plop those up immediately following the films release.</p> | |
| <p>In order to do this, we need to maintain plenty of "average" accounts. This means having an account that's been active for 6+ months, posting semi-regularly, gaining karma steadily, so it's not rejected by the community when "they" submit their advertising. Sometimes I think this contributes to the banality of this website.</p> | |
| <p>You're website is already being "exploited", but can you call it that? It seems like the community loves these types of submissions, even if they're manufactured.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I am for some sort of action because we have been taken advantage of before, but I'm afraid that this will swing in the opposite direction. Reddit's support of the Occupy movement, the SOPA awareness campaigns, and their protest of the recent Limbaugh scandal are achievements that the community should be proud of, and I just hope that we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Occupy was stuffed into it's own subreddit and our support for it <strong>immediately</strong> died.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>i'm not sure it was the development of the sub-reddit that killed OWS on reddit. i visit that subreddit often and i find their rhetoric to be polarizing and it's members to be highly biased. they'll downvote any opinion that's in opposition to the propaganda and excessive aggressive views they have evolved into using. it's the same practices that have killed the movement nation wide and keep them out of the main stream media. they've simply turned themselves the angry kid sitting in the back of the classroom that no one wants to associate themselves with anymore. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>this is a bad idea and will only weaken reddit. the whole point of the sopa/pipa debacle was the spreading of information. it is up to the community to weed out the liars. closing the door only makes the problem worse.</p> | |
| <p>consider it thusly, would you rather have a large library full of information that you have to consider critically and determine fact from fiction, or would you rather have someone in charge of stocking the library for you, only allowing what they deem pertinent and true?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What about advertising for a good cause? I can't believe you would have us stop things like the campaign against SOPA on this site just so those who want to take advantage of us can't. Sure, I would love to see a lot of AMAs from famous people who are obiviously just here to plug their latest show (rampart) but something like rallying against SOPA simply wouldn't have been possible without reddit</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>From my perspective, I felt one of the more interesting aspects of reddit was its ability to rally behind worthy causes. </p> | |
| <p>Isn't it a bit contradictory to be so strongly anti-SOPA and then shun other advocacy posts? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Umm I thought reddit was about sharing ideas and the up and downvotes were the way of regulating what stays and what goes, if reddit upvotes it to the front page who are you to say it shouldn't be there?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Reddit used to be about doing good deeds. Lately it isn't. Now you want to ghettoise advocacy into a subreddit that will have many many many less subscribers than a central subreddit? </p> | |
| <p>This strikes me as the cure being worse than the disease. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I think the more dangerous precedent is attempting to censor reddit posts through subjective decisions made by a select few. If people want to upvote and submit causes they feel are important to them, so be it. </p> | |
| <p>The need to "protect" reddit from scams reminds me a lot of the need to "protect" the U.S. from terrorists through censorship and the erosion of liberty.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>To me, it smacks of segregation. There's already the downvote button to bury things someone (or a group) just doesn't like. But hey, at least they're open and honest about it!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Reddit used to be about doing good deeds.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>lolwut?</p> | |
| <p>Sometimes when reddit has jumped on a bandwagon it has seriously harmed people because the bandwagon was driven by bad information. This probably happens at least as often as the "good deeds" that sometimes happen.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What is your stance on indie developers on r/android / apple or r/gaming advocating their games via reddit?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'd say there's a difference between advocacy and self-promotion. Generally speaking, when a stranger on the internet says, "Give me some money so I can finish the game I'm working on," we understand the risks. Many of us are less critical when someone's asking for money to save children or combat government corruption.</p> | |
| <p>Ultimately, it's up to individual reddits, their subscribers and/or their mods to decide how much self-promotion they're willing to invite into their digital homes. If a sub like <a href="/r/gaming">/r/gaming</a> wants to allow users to plug their own games, or to link to Kickstarter campaigns soliciting donations, that's their prerogative. I think we should probably still be cautious about that sort of thing, but it's probably not necessary to push it all to a single sub where the community can better assess who's asking for our support and to what end.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>In r/iPhone we try to encourage genuine self promotion because we know a lot of devs were part of the community before they started making their own apps, and they usually bring value to our community by giving away free promo codes or exclusive content. Sometimes they ask for money on Kickstarter or ask the users to purchase their app, but 9 times out of 10 the dev is up front about what they are asking for and that is how we want to keep it. The r/ iPhone community seems to be alright with that balance. </p> | |
| <p>On the other hand we occasionally get these sort of advocacy posts like, "I lost all my things in a fire including my iPhone. Can you help me replace my beloved device?" and stuff like that. It would be nice, in those cases, to remove those kinds of posts and send them to a dedicated subreddit for posts of that type. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I think this is entirely necessary. Reddit has grown incredibly fast, and the power of the community is just starting to realize itself. When it works, it's great. But so many of these calls to action are coming up and gathering steam before facts and verification and rational discussion are ever brought to light. The day is coming where we as a collective support the wrong cause, and it could have serious repercussions, for both us and the people that cause affects. Having a place where these issues can be handled properly I think is imperative.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's already happened, multiple times in fact. They even made rules regarding posting personal info because of it. It has happened and it will probably happen again. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Agreed. And with the growing visibility and influence we have here, it's important to take some legitimate steps to put some order and controls in how we behave around here. Things will happen, but adding some structure and order to the mentality behind it, and making the dangers clear could go a long way toward reducing the chances of innocent peoples lives being turned upside down, scam artists feeding off of the crowd, and reddit itself being thrown in the media spotlight for enabling and empowering without taking some form of action to organize and rationalize how we approach these issues.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Another we could do is <em>encourage skepticism</em>.</p> | |
| <p>There's nothing more frustrating than being the only person pointing out that a sympathetic story is full of holes, only to be shouted down and voted below visibility by people who insist of "protecting" the OP.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>AMA's require moderator verification. What if we adopted a similar level of standards for "Causes" seeking monetary gains?</p> | |
| <p>What I'm picturing now is a simple mandatory, standardized message tagged to the beginning or end to such posts that reads either: </p> | |
| <p><strong>"This cause has been approved by <a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a>"</strong> or </p> | |
| <p><strong>"This cause has not yet been approved by <a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a>"</strong></p> | |
| <p>Whether or not you chose to support an unapproved cause would remain your personal choice, but having a simple, reliable, visible tag would improve awareness and (I believe) be an immense improvement.</p> | |
| <p>But who approves, and what's required? That's the tough bit. I think that many inquisitive, skeptical minds would be best, but I don't know enough about the Reddit moderation/verification circles to suggest much here.</p> | |
| <p>[Edit]: Replace "<a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a>" with any generic Stamp of Approval. It's mostly just a placeholder in my examples.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's bad, and this invisible children case is a pretty good example why.</p> | |
| <p>Reddit is generally against charities that spend large amounts of money on awareness. But the end goal of invisible children is largely, awareness. A set of rigid standards would be largely useless because charities have differant goals, and people have differant problems with charities. And if we're working off a subjective basis, it's much better to use the existing upvote/downvote system.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><blockquote>\n\ | |
| <p>Another we could do is encourage skepticism.</p>\n\ | |
| </blockquote>\n\n\ | |
| <p>You might as well say that Critical Thinking\xE2\x84\xA2 should be taught in public schools. Like it has been suggested hundreds of times before and subsequently made fun of on r/circlejerk. We need specific suggestions how to prevent this sort of behavior, and the OP makes one.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Edit: even the community that prides itself to be the most skeptical and rational (r/atheism) can be <a href=\"http://www.reddit.com/r/circlebroke/comments/qi35y/im_not_100_percent_on_what_this_subreddit_is_but/\">easily gamed</a> with blatantly fabricated posts (please don't harass filletsack over it).</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>examples</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Reddit <em>can</em> easily become a group of organized idiots.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Reddit is a group of organized idiots.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>FTFY</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If the GOP can do it...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>If the Tea Party can do it...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>...and the DNC has perfected it. How hard can it be?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You think the DNC is organized?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>"I belong to no organized party. I am a Democrat."</p> | |
| <p>-- <a href="http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/26205.html">Will Rogers</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So...it has come to this.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You. Me. This moment.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Just exchange cat food with possible charitable fraud laundering millions of dollars. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I disagree. All posts on here that ask for money will be deleted instantly as soon as they are reported.</p> | |
| <p>What redditors do outside of this site or choose to upvote is not something moderators can do anything about. How do you expect the mods to interfere with that? And why? People are responsible for their own actions.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Didn't we just raise tens of thousands of dollars for an orphanage in Africa last month? I think that's incredible, and would love to see that kind of thing continue to happen. But how would organizing and thinking about how we approach that aspect of the community have a negative impact in any way? Obviously the mods don't have any control over what we choose to do with our money and efforts, but they do have a responsibility to look at how their subreddits are behaving, and do their best to address potential issues that come up as the community grows and develops.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>the power of the community is just starting to realize itself.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Christ, get over yourself. We're not an advocacy group, we're a website consisting of mostly 15-25 year old males who upvote/downvote cat pictures, random facts from wikipedia, and pictures of naked girls</p> | |
| <p>I don't understand what this big issue is about "<em>protecting ourselves from people who see this site as an opportunity</em>". Oh dear god, we upvoted a video to the front page of our precious website! The horror!! We must protect ourselves from getting a submission to the front-page until we have a full-fledged investigation to make sure that every aspect of the submission appeals to the opinions of our 20 million site visitors!</p> | |
| <p>You like a submission? Upvote it.</p> | |
| <p>You don't like it? Downvote it.</p> | |
| <p>Not sure? Do a little research, and then decide whether you support it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The problem is really with humanity in general. The internet lets us gather a little more steam more quickly, take actions collectively so it's more noticeable, but it's really no different than any other sort of group, although probably more consistent with the dynamics of a flash mob over a well thought out organization. </p> | |
| <p>Every person needs to have the responsibility to think clearly and take what they believe to be, the rational choice. That's the best you can do. You can hope that your own actions will help direct others, but arbitrarily enforcing rules when there is no immediate pressing need (banning people who post personal information and things that put others in direct harm are a different story) is only going to add to the confusion and complexity in which we already interact. </p> | |
| <p>I think reddit has a responsibility to ensure that they will not allow their site to be used as a tool to hurt others. But, I don't think reddit, nor the people on this site, I don't believe any single one of them should have control over what content gets displayed or how people choose to use the site. I have a problem myself with the use of moderators, but it works for now, hopefully the next reddit type site will have some better system in place. </p> | |
| <p>Reddit enforces some small set of rules (spam filtering, front page filtering with votes) that allow the individual in the community to have exactly the same power as any other individual. If anything, it's our job to further dialogue when malicious interests take advantage of the system, but change it? I don't think so. </p> | |
| <p>A lot of people on reddit talk about how education and knowledge is key to a democracy. Yet now it seems some would rather have a dictatorship, because there are some things they don't like, some interests taking advantage of the very same set of rules many others take advantage of (except for causes more worthy, of course). It isn't right, I don't think anyone who actually works for reddit would agree. Inform yourself and make it a priority to express that individual knowledge is the most powerful thing an individual can have. Trust in others that they will learn eventually and come to value the things you value. </p> | |
| <p>We already have a system in place that vets ignoble causes - most people know to look at the comments before they throw their money at something, and usually if it's suspicious, the top comment says so. <strong>There is no need for further moderation.</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well said. </p> | |
| <p>Consider the reddit sopa pushback campaign's efficacy had it been consigned to an advocacy subreddit, from which the majority would unsubscribe, I know I would. </p> | |
| <p>I'm not doubting the OPs motivations I just think they're misguided. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Simply put, what makes a post of a picture of a cat more or less important than one of advocacy? As long as it's not illegal, a post is a post.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>Yes, reddit is a bunch of lolcats, crudely drawn f7u12 comics, and adviceanimals... if those are the only subreddits you visit. There's a lot more going on.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <blockquote>\n\ | |
| <p>In early December 2010, members of the Atheism and the Christianity subreddits came together to cross-promote[46] fundraising drives for M\xC3\xA9decins Sans Fronti\xC3\xA8res (Doctors Without Borders) and World Vision's Clean Water Fund, respectively. Later, the Islam subreddit joined in, raising money for Islamic Relief. In less than a week, the three communities (as well as the Reddit community at large) raised over $200,000, with the vast bulk of that raised by the Atheism subreddit.[47]</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>In early October 2010, a story was posted on Reddit about a seven-year-old girl, Kathleen Edward, who was in the advanced stages of Huntington\xE2\x80\x99s disease. The girl's neighbors were taunting her and her family. Redditors banded together and gave the girl a shopping spree[48][49] at Tree Town Toys, a toy store local to the story owned by a Reddit user.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Reddit started the largest Secret Santa program in the world, which is still in operation to date. For the 2010 Holiday season, 92 countries were involved in the Secret Santa program. There were 17,543 participants, and $662,907.60 was collectively spent on gift purchases and shipping costs.[50][51][52]</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Members from reddit donated over $600,000 to DonorsChoose in support of Stephen Colbert's March to Keep Fear Alive. The donation spree broke previous records for the most money donated to a single cause by the reddit community and resulted in an interview with Colbert on reddit.[53]</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Reddit users donated $185,356.70 to Direct Relief International for Haiti after the earthquake devastated the island in January 2010.[54]</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Reddit users donated over $70,000 to the Faraja Orphanage in the first 24 hours to help secure the orphanage after intruders robbed and attacked one of the volunteers, Omari, who survived a strike to the head from a machete.[55]</p>\n\ | |
| </blockquote>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Don't forget the Truthiness rally with Colbert either.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Edit: Day to day... reddit is just a place to dick around and pass time. But you need to understand the extent and magnitude to which the community can be "mobilized" for a good cause or exploited for personal gain.</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>But you need to understand the extent and magnitude to which the community can be "mobilized" for a good cause or exploited for personal gain.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>And do you feel that we need to funnel any call for a cause into <a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a> until some sort of internal Reddit investigation unit declares it to be safe for donation?</p> | |
| <p>The way I see it, if you don't want to be exploited or ripped off by some advocacy post, then maybe you should do some research before you impulsively send money and post the shit all over Facebook. There's no need to segregate it into it's own subreddit because of impulsive idiots who take anything at face value.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I never said I advocated the idea of a <a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a> subreddit. I'm addressing your point about glorifying the reddit community. You chose this line specifically to mock with "Get over yourself":</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>the power of the community is just starting to realize itself.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>It's a campy way to say it, but you cannot argue that a community has power when they can raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for a good cause.</p> | |
| <p>Reddit is a toy for 99% of us 99% of the time. Sometimes a movement gets a head of steam and it becomes some pretty serious business. We're talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars in some campaigns here. That is more than lolcats and minecraft.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Christ, get over yourself. We're not an advocacy group, we're a website consisting of mostly 15-25 year old males...</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Who are a tech-savvy (or at least tech-using) desirable demographic with disposable income, still wanting to believe this is an exclusive club in which anyone who shows up is "one of us" until proven otherwise.</p> | |
| <p>A marketer/advocacy-pusher/con's dream audience in some ways. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I am part of an advertising company. My team has manufactured numerous front page posts over the past 2 years. Already, we are prepping for the Dark Knight Rises campaign. This consists of "story boarding" ideas for funny pictures, like maybe a silly situation that happens at a movie theater where the DKR marquee is conveniently in the frame, or a submission that starts with "Look who I found when I went to see the DKR this weekend!". We are also allowed to screen the film early to pick out plot points that would be ripe for a "Scumbag Batman" or "Scumbag Bane" type meme, so we can plop those up immediately following the films release.</p> | |
| <p>In order to do this, we need to maintain plenty of "average" accounts. This means having an account that's been active for 6+ months, posting semi-regularly, gaining karma steadily, so it's not rejected by the community when "they" submit their advertising. Sometimes I think this contributes to the banality of this website.</p> | |
| <p>You're website is already being "exploited", but can you call it that? It seems like the community loves these types of submissions, even if they're manufactured.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>so far this is by far the most important and interesting comment in this discussion.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It's also made up. I have this guy tagged as pathological liar. He's claimed a <em>lot</em> of crazy stuff. He switches up his age, social and economic status, job. Hell he even said he was a semi-famous rock (or was it country?) singer. He's a liar.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Nawh, he's just had an awesome life.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>ok, now <em>this</em> is the most interesting comment in the discussion...</p> | |
| <p>anyone want to go for infinite regress?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Oh man, Dark Knight Rises. That's gonna be a really hard sell. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Christ, get over yourself</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>There are how many millions of us? This sub has 1.3 <strong>million</strong> subscribers.</p> | |
| <p>That's 1.3 million bored, computer literate kids with mostly no real obligations in life, and a desire to change the world. Reddit moves incredibly fast, is incredibly quick to find information online, is great at rallying support for things.</p> | |
| <p>I wouldn't discount the cat likers to so quickly.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Reddit, and other social network sites, are more than just websites with narrow demographics looking at silly, sexy, and interesting things. Major social network sites like Reddit are information and communication organizing platforms which, by their collective size have a significant level of communicative power. As those 15-25 year olds grow into adulthood and grow in size (and the site perhaps expands and evolves beyond what it is today) the utility and power of this platform can increase. Along the way it is important to have dialogue about possible modifications to this platform in order to prevent it from becoming degraded and to improve its usefulness and attractiveness to its users. Your view advocating against changes is worthy of consideration but you might also consider expanding your views to allow for the possibility that Reddit in a current or yet to be determined form does have power and can and should make tweaks to its model along the way to improve it as a service and for the times when it does, indeed, become a community that engages in organizing and advocacy for causes. Don't forget that it's the cat pictures and the nude pictures, along with the other silliness and awesomeness, that makes this place a community, which then is often used for constructive purposes. I'm not saying I'm sure that this specific suggestion to change the model for advocacy is definitely the right suggestion but I think if there are ways to minimize fraud and maximize the trustworthiness of Reddit that such objectives should be pursued.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Now how will I get my money??</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>reddit from work like the rest of us?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I like the idea, but I'm not sure I fully understand. </p> | |
| <ol> | |
| <li>Who is responsible for properly researching each advocacy cause within r/advocacy? </li> | |
| <li>I understand that that moving these posts to its own sub will limit their exposure and impact, but what if there is a cause that reddit <em>should</em> support? Would limiting its exposure backfire in that case? </li> | |
| </ol> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is the most important response in the thread. The hive mind likes to jump on runaway trains, and it's important to remember that we can and have ruined lives -- some that deserved to be ruined, but I'm sure some that didn't. </p> | |
| <p>It's never really come back to hurt reddit itself, other than some bad press -- but someday it will. Controlling this sort of thing, reasonably, is a great idea that will save the admins headaches in the future. Leave it to blackstar9000 to suggest the change. :)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Its impossible. For that we would have to have reddit stop being stupid and jump on anything they have a bias towards. Seeing as how many incredibly made up things are believed every day, I judge this to be impossible.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>When it works, it's great. But so many of these calls to action are coming up and gathering steam before facts and verification and rational discussion are ever brought to light.</p> | |
| <p>** facts and verification and rational discussion**</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
| <p>That stuff doesn't exist here anymore. Look how many retarded pun threads are the top comments on pretty big newsworthy posts. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I completely disagree with this there should be no rule against rallying support. It should be up to the community to regulate these posts. If you don't like them downvote them. To me the idea of a mod having the authority to ban an entire genre of posts sounds dangerously close to the kind of censorship PIPA and SOPA supported. Censorship we fought on this site through the use of cause posts. </p> | |
| <p>Reddit is powerful BECAUSE we can reach so many people with powerful messages and causes. Taking away out ability to spread causes will make reddit safer the same way SOPA will make the internet safer.</p> | |
| <p>TL:DR Banning the use of cause posts will effectively censor reddit. Stemming the flow of ideas and causes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I agree with your gripe about advocacy posts (I also see a lot of product placement posts too).</p> | |
| <p>However, I don't think I want to subscribe to a spam channel which is what your solution kinda sounds like.</p> | |
| <p>I think self is a fine place for advocacy and more moderators should adopt your rule.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This request is ridiculous. Reddit has done so much good without this type of moderation. If we had a place like <a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a> millions of people wouldn't have heard about Kony.</p> | |
| <p>Reddit is a powerhouse and I like to think that it is largely made of intelligent people. </p> | |
| <p>I think that we can manage on our own without a rule like this. Research a cause before you donate.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ha, don't flatter yourself Reddit. This Kony 2012 campaign is not solely a Reddit thing. We are the internet; Kony 2012 is on the internet. Therefore Kony 2012 is on Reddit. Same goes with other issues.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The question that blackstar9000 implicitly asks is "can we do better than the rest of the Internet"? The Internet is not homogeneous, some communities are indeed "better" than others. Giving up is easy, and if people like blackstar9000 are enthusiastic enough to try to make this a better place, we shouldn't discourage them.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Spot on. </p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>The point is that they're abusing Reddit in order to rally support (and donations) for that cause.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>"They" are not abusing Reddit...Invisible Children (assuming that is the "they") successfully created a viral video for the internet...of which Reddit is a part. Invisible Children didn't get up one day and say "Hey guys, I think it would be a great idea if we spammed Reddit and made a video that we can abuse Reddit with, yeah that'd be great." The "abusers" are the hundreds of Reddit users (i.e. not "they" but "us") posting non stop about it. Can't blame them for making a hugely successful video, they aren't the first to do so and, surely, they won't be the last.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Right? I don't understand the assertion that the Kony 2012 people 'used' Reddit, like they needed it. It spread across Facebook and Twitter like crazy, I think people need to take a step back and stop looking at Reddit as if it's the most revered place on the internet, because it really wasn't at all important to the campaign.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>But Ron Paul is pretty much just a Reddit thing, right?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I have two better ideas. </p> | |
| <p>1) Do research before throwing money at something over the Internet and totally erase the threat of fraud/scams.</p> | |
| <p>2) If spamming on Reddit is a legitimate concern/irritant, get off Reddit and go outside.</p> | |
| <p>Cheers.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I disagree, though maybe these posts should be constrained to specific subreddits (why Kony 2012 was in r/atheism I'll never know).</p> | |
| <p>But remember when we donated to that orphanage or rallied all of reddit against Rush Limbaugh and SOPA/PIPA/ACTA? Some of the best things Reddit has done.</p> | |
| <p>So if you don't like Kony 2012, or a future campaign, ignore it. But some of the best things Reddit has done are on such issues.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No way. I've been a lurker for years, and typically Reddit sniffs out the bogus submissions fairly quickly (most of the time before I even read it).</p> | |
| <p>We're a lot smarter than you give us credit for, and personally I like seeing causes on Reddit under my normal subreddits that I choose to donate to from time to time.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Click the report button.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ok, so here's the gist. A video that explains thousands of kids being abducted, murdered, raped, and trained as child soldiers--over the course of decades--should not be allowed in <a href="/r/videos">/r/videos</a>, but every time a cat does something cute it's okay?</p> | |
| <p>ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME?</p> | |
| <p>Reddit has already raised awareness of this issue and for good reason. It's an important cause. Do you really think that Redditors are too stupid to figure out which causes they should donate to and which they shouldn't?</p> | |
| <p>To censor (or move these types of things to its "separate but equal" place) is to become everything that Reddit hates and everything we stand against.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So, what about the countless AMAs by dipshits who only want to increase sales of an album, book, movie...</p> | |
| <p>I fucking hate AMAs like this and its so obvious they are pandering</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>this site is an opportunity</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I agree with your statements, but my fear is that unless <a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a> is easy to find, it may discourage users from asking for assistance. While that deters groups like KONY 2012, it potentially deters groups like the Kenyan orphanage who needed help not too long ago. <a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a> needs to be made widely known for this to work, so that most redditors would already know about it, like many other popular subreddits out there.</p> | |
| <p>FYI, I'm adding <a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a> to two of my own subreddits' sidebars.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The beauty of Reddit is that the community evaluates the worth of posts and positions them accordingly with an up or down vote. </p> | |
| <p>Ultimately, if we want to see more qualified, verified posts gain prominence on Reddit, then ultimately each of us needs to demand more for our up vote. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There are two 400+ video posts on TrueReddit. I withdraw my long-standing view that redditors are able to self-moderate. If you are not yet cynical enough and want your reddit to prosper, rules like these are necessary.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My experience is that redditors are actually quite good at self-moderating when a reddit only gets so much activity, but at a certain point (often around the 10,000 subscribers mark) the crowd dynamic takes over and it becomes all but impossible to keep a sub from sliding steadily off the rails.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Which is why I try to be a hands on moderator and it tends to blow up in my face. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You're a hands-on dick, and you piss people off.</p> | |
| <p>If a story has hundreds of replies and thousands of upvotes, don't delete it. We know you deleted it to take in the comment karma from explaining why. You're a prime example of what is wrong with this site.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Lol really? Sure, he did it to gain comment karma not to remove bad posts and deter false information. </p> | |
| <p>I moderator's job is to moderate. Otherwise they'd be called spectators. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I probably lost more karma than I gained. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Up-voting for the fact that you're right, but I will respectfully disagree with things like "rules" because, well, as MacArthur said: "Rules are made to be broken and for the lazy to hide behind." What can I say, I like to have my cake and eat it too.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm kind of starting to feel that way as well, although I don't know if this rule is entirely necessary. The post that first got me thinking about it was that picture of a guy's friend meeting Obama after losing his legs in combat. The guy immediately started soliciting donations and, much to my surprise, people started donating. Of course, the top post that pointed out that the guy may not actually need money was buried beneath an avalanche of people talking about the donations they gave.</p> | |
| <p>However, contrast that with the Kenyan orphanage. I think we can all agree that wasn't a scam and, not only was it a good deed, but it proved the power that Reddit has as a community. So while I do think it's a shame for people to dive full-bore into a cause that may or may not be legitimate, I still feel like it's their money, and it should be up to them if they want to spend it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Enough about this guys, lets talk about Rampart.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No. That is what social media is all about, sharing. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>for good, properly vetted causes.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>But who are you to decide what makes a "good" cause? By what authority are you the one who should vet these causes? Sounds like you just want to censor things that bother you.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Although you have good intentions, I don't think this is the solution. There are SO many different causes to advocate for that one jumbled sub-reddit, with AIDS awareness, anti-nukes, pro-nukes, stem cell, animal rights, bike ped advocacy, human rights, etc...would get very overwhelming. Also, I'd be concerned that you're 'throwing the baby out with the bath water'. I might be mis-understanding your proposal, but are you saying advocacy posts would no longer be welcome in ANY sub-reddit? Some advocacy posts are very local and/or specific and in order to reach the intended audiences need to be in certain sub-reddits (back to the whole one place would be very overwhelming). Ex. Geographic local issues (r/yourhometown), or issue specific advocacy (r/renewableenergy)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Stop censoring. You can downvote.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>3 cheers for freedom of speech... as long as you want to hear it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This will no doubt get buried and has probably been posted already but maybe not...</p> | |
| <p>I fully agree with this suggestion, in all ways I think that it suits Reddit perfectly well and that not many people would complain about this. However, one small amendment that could satisfy a lot of people is to;</p> | |
| <p>Allow one official post about something (let's use Kony 2012 as an example). Invisible Children could create a post, submit it to mods/admins and have it approved, then let that serve as the only place to 'advertise' said content.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I believe we, as a community, are intelligent enough to merit whether the posts are worthy to read or not, hence the upvoting/downvoting system. </p> | |
| <p>Like the post on the front page yesterday afternoon regarding a redditor deciding to help out a guy asking for money when his "wife was in the hospital". It was his choice to give him money or not. We are all individuals that decide for ourselves if the cause is worthy of our wallets.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hey Reddit! Can we find a way to ignore busybodies like blackstar9000 who try to make issues out of nothing?!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>100,000 subreddits and you think ONE SINGLE ONE OF THEM is all that should allow advocacy? You are fucking nuts. Sorry, if that is rude, but Reddit is much larger than your personal space. Fuck you for demanding that YOUR SUBREDDIT be the gateway for all advocacy on Reddit. God damn, why do people who have a kernel of a good idea always try to turn it into something all about themselves. Fuck you and fuck this post.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You've got a valid point, but you come off sounding a little mean. I think it's mostly the "fuck you and fuck this post" part.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was mean on purpose, you should be wary of someone you agree with just because you like the way it sounds. If it sounds mean and still sounds right then it deserves some consideration. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Eh... if everyone thought this way then things would quickly devolve into pissed off people throwing insults at each other. You can make a good point without being a total dick.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nonetheless, you're completely right. This proposal is ridiculous. This is the online equivalent of saying "political/labor protests can only be held behind the sewage system instead of advocating in public." Advocacy is a good thing and instrumental in rising awareness. Just because some people are too goddamn stupid to be careful when giving away money and putting their name on something doesn't mean there should be less of it. </p> | |
| <p>Downvote the bullshit. Upvote the legitmate.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Have we considered banning everyone that isn't me?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think this is bullshit, if you don't think it deserves our attention downvote the shit out it. The whole point of voting is to see what everybody thinks about the post not just you. If everyone likes it and you don't well then you kind of have to deal with it. It's not them taking advantage of reddit if reddit decides to upvote their cause it's reddit's decision. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Are you saying I shouldn't go see Rampart?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm here to talk about my current project only.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I have noticed some downvoting in this thread because people disagree with a comment.</p> | |
| <p>An ideal discussion is not a battle between two viewpoints to become the most agreed-upon, so please do not downvote simply because you don't agree with something, so that this discussion can be more meaningful.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I agree, have an upvote. Waaaiittt....</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The best way to circumvent your enemy is to know their motivations and their tactics.</p> | |
| <p>I didn't spot nearly as much blatant SEO spam and the like until I started having to concern myself with SEO for my job, for example.</p> | |
| <p>It's going to happen whether we like it or not. It's just important to keep an eye out and do what you can to bring it to attention when you find these abuses.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I agree in principle because of all the points you mentioned, and also because I don't like seeing these sorts of posts and support anything that will get rid of them from subreddits I read.</p> | |
| <p>But I don't think it will work. First off, no one will bother reading /advocacy - literally nobody except possibly the mods there. And mods in other subreddits will be continuously deleting things which are posted in their subs because that's the only way they'll get seen.</p> | |
| <p>Eventually someone will post something that fits right in the grey area, and there will be a big debate (or three) about what constitutes advocacy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't know what this Kony thing is but I'm glad as fuck I don't.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Maybe if you retarded redditors realized the power that Reddit is capable of then maybe we could find a middle ground. Instead you are too busy downvoting peoples stuff and upvoting cat pictures. Grow up, use the internet responsibly. Stop bitching.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah! We are all part of this crazy little website that indicates what is unique about each and every one of us! The internet is super cool and we're from a community there (not a place technically) so we should all take pride in something fucking dumb and challenge people who want to use it as well. All hail reddit! The largest functioning hivemind since episode 51 of Superman: The Animated Series! Seriously, fuck you, fuck everyone, reddit is for fags. I hope anyone who imagines themselves as unique or individual for accessing reddit gets fucking strangled to death by the three cats they're trying to get to stand still for a picture.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think the upvotes and downvotes handle what you're claiming all on their own. </p> | |
| <p>Enable hide on downvote, and be happier with life.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Redditors: against internet regulation, unless its them keeping others from their club</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think this is a horrible idea. Any charity and any political issue could fall under your definition of advocacy. What about posts about SOPA, ACTA, the Research Works Act or corporate lobbying? To ghettoize those topics to one subreddit to be vetted by experts such as yourself is an absurd proposition. The value of Reddit is precisely that people come for the cat pictures and cartoons, and while they're here read about and raise awareness of interesting ideas and important issues, and engage in the democratic process. Your proposals would reduce this site to fluff. We all like things to be sugared somewhat, but if you stop eating things which are sugared and start just eating sugar, you're in trouble.</p> | |
| <p>Edit: Cleaned up the prose.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Someone takes reedit a little too seriously</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why would you attempt to kill off all legitimate causes in an attempt to fish out the frauds. That's like SOPA trying to hinder pirates by destroying content hosting websites. Don't use shotgun tactics when there's a huge chance of wrecking legit causes. Use moderators effectively, don't put up a gigantic barrier.</p> | |
| <p>Your solution doesn't even make sense. Firstly you say that we should carpet bomb advocacy posts.</p> | |
| <p><em>Submissions that ask readers to make a donation, sign a petition, or spread the word about a particular cause are considered advocacy posts, and will be removed by the moderators. Please down vote and report advocacy posts.</em></p> | |
| <p>Then you say:</p> | |
| <p><em>I'm not suggesting that we should make it impossible to rally support and solicit donations for good, properly vetted causes.</em></p> | |
| <p>Which one is it? You can't have that both ways.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't comment much, but to some extent this rule seems like it would reduce charitable giving from reddit, and prevent key stake holders in a a world WE ALL LIVE IN from making their message known. If it gets to the front page, it gets to the front page, but I doubt anyone can spam reddit to the point that ALL of their posts make it to the front page. </p> | |
| <p>No, what you are suggesting is borderline censor ship, the fact your suggestion made the front page is disturbing. The problem you are noting can be handled in different ways. Your idea makes a place for advocacy where too many diverse groups would be putting their advocacy posts. For example, it makes sense for Nature Conservancy to advocate for signatures on <a href="/r/environment">/r/environment</a>, but making an advocacy page would shut these interests into a box where the people they want to reach will not view them (because they will be too varied and not relevant to them). </p> | |
| <p>Reddit is more than just a community to see memes, funny videos, news articles, and images. Jesus, what you want to do is literally shut reddit from all the causes in the world? Some of us do not see reddit as a self serving community, and reddit is to decentralized and fragmented to impose such a rule without protest. Additionally, this gives the moderators power to support causes they personally support- hence abuse their power. Who will watch the watchmen? </p> | |
| <p>Also, so what if people use reddit to get their cause out there? If people vote for it, it is obviously of interest to them? There should be reasonable procedures or due process that these organizations follow before they put up their causes. Exploitation potential is real, but this is borderline censorship. Would our donations to Doctors without Borders have occurred if this was implemented all across reddit? This rule is the wrong way to deal with this issue, it is using a chain saw where really a scalpel is needed. </p> | |
| <p>I am for a procedure where advocates submit their posts and meet reasonable standards where the burden of proof is on them to show that their facts are right or at least sourced (responsibility to provide sources to information in APA format) and that they label the end of their posts as advocacy (In the title it would Read "Help X-Advocacy post". </p> | |
| <p>In economics this would be considered informing the consumer about the potential externality involved. This should be attempted before advocates are relegated to a thread that will never be visited, which would cut off reddit from people with good intentions trying to make change. There is no reason why reddit cannot take part in creating progress, but making it informed change is a priority that I can agree with. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ban the media matters and obama 2012 campaign IP addresses and 75% of this drivel will go away.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So in other words I just joined r/advocacy. Because I don't want to see it anywhere else on reddit</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I only have to look at <a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/blackstar9000/submitted/">your submission history</a> to believe that you have no authority to discuss excessive submissions.</p> | |
| <p>You've made at least 25 submissions in the day, 2 of them you've submitted twice, another you've submitted 3 times to different subreddits. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I like the idea. People using Reddit without care to the community will wind up killing the website. These rampant advocacy posts needs to stop. Stop the abuse of Reddit. I actually like this community.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The problem is this site is primarily teenagers and you guys are gullible as fuck because you are emotionally impulsive.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Gullible as fuck and incapable of skepticism.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>you know what i do? it's kind of complicated and tricky and not easy to do, but i'm getting better at it. i don't, click on the um, posts that are like that. or um, yes. no.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Expanding on this. </p> | |
| <p>I don't like OPs idea at all! In fact I hate it. This site prouds itself on free-speech. There are always con-artists, but there are also good ideas one can get behind, donate to. Why would you want to centralize those good ideas? Especially by large exposure over the whole site ( what op calls spamming) an idea gains traction, is heard, is acted upon, not by opening a dedicated sub for it, one has to subscribe to manually, that would take out the whole viral aspect that makes such videos as this one reach so many people so quickly.</p> | |
| <p>And yes, damnit, self regulation does work. Because self-regulation in Reddits case means upvote=lookatthis, downvote=ignore. If this Kony thing reached frontpage on all major subreddits it deserves to be watched!</p> | |
| <p>My last point. If you decide to give money to a cause, simply because the topic seems popular, your whole knowledge of the topic based on a single source, then you are an idiot and you deserve your monetary loss if it turns out to be a scam. Still no need to regulate this, at all.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm behind you 100%. </p> | |
| <p>This was why I removed the head shave girls posts from askreddit (one of the reasons)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I like the <a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a> idea.</p> | |
| <p>I would also suggest that there be a graphic or notation or at least something easily identifying/verifying the OP's relationship with the organization, even if its just as an outside supporter. </p> | |
| <p>To those who would be posting, you would do well to post financials and whatnot as well with your post asking for money. While it may not be convenient, everyone appreciates transparency, especially what little you can provide in a post originating on Reddit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>NICE TRY <em>KONY</em>! RELEASE THOSE KIDS!!!!!ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Aaaaaah yes... the liberal mindset at its best. </p> | |
| <p><strong>I need other people to protect me from my own stupidity and knee-jerk reactions to emotional blackmail.</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wow good plan, that way mods can actively check all advocacy requests for legitimacy. But will you filter...? Because that would be bad.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You mean people like Woody Harrelson?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think you should partner with, not replace <a href="/r/askreddit">/r/askreddit</a> and some of the other big subreddits. That is, advocacy posts must first be posted to <a href="/r/advocacy">/r/advocacy</a> and get approval. Once they are, they can repeat the same post once on the bigger subreddit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ah, growing pains. Cause and effect in action: watch closely and learn something about human nature.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think we need a rule, so that if a site sends supporters specifically to come on reddit to post their material. They and their content should be removed.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't know if it's currently doable in Reddit, but I think if there was a way that advocacy type posts required a notice to be put clearly before any link to request donation. </p> | |
| <p>Something along the lines of a link to an accepted charity-watchdog website which could be used to look up information about the charity. For smaller fundraisers, you could require moderator approval to be verified, like they have on IAMA.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Reddit has the potential to be a place where people can bring any idea to have people see it. It is up to all of us to understand what we read/see/hear. People will always exploit potential, and that is good it means there is potential to exploit. Reddit can become an amazing place, but it needs to shed the burden of moderating content and the caustic element of up/downvotes</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You think far to highly of this place. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>IMHO, we should let the subreddit in which an advocacy post exists decide whether or not to keep said post. Take r/trees for example. We wouldn't want all posts that ask its users to sign a petition or vote in a poll to be removed, as that is something very near and dear to our hearts. </p> | |
| <p>Censoring post based on their content seems a slippery slope. You say:</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>I'm not suggesting that we should make it impossible to rally support and solicit donations for good, properly vetted causes.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>My problem with this is, who decides which causes are worthy? Mods? Couldn't that potentially encourage mods to push their own agendas? </p> | |
| <p>Reddit's biggest strength is also its biggest weakness: The Hivemind. It creates some wonderful things, and can affect some fairly large scale political/special interest topics, but it can also lead to a mob-like mentality. But you can't not let the topics that gain support exist, that's the beauty of reddit. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>The problem cannot be solved by asking the mods to do something. </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p><em>"One objective reality is that our government doesn\xE2\x80\x99t work, not because we have dysfunctional politicians, but because we have dysfunctional voters. As a scientist and educator, my goal, then, is not to become President and lead a dysfunctional electorate, but to enlighten the electorate so they might choose the right leaders in the first place."</em> --Neil deGrasse Tyson</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Reddit its a conglomerate of people. I like that a lot of people want to do good, to help out, but a lot of these people are naive and get taken advantage of. That can't be fixed by changing who's in charge or how they moderate. </p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Think by yourself, problem solved.... well might need to tell people how to thinky by themself because many do not.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A classic example of someone misusing AskReddit to tell us things and to get Reddit to read his/her rant. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's a great idea, however if you each buy a set of avon makeup from me and sell one to 3 friends of yours we'll all be rich. What sounds better your idea, OR BEING RICH?!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The basic function of Reddit is exactly what you described... it is a marketing tool to drive customers to specific sites... whether it be a sale at Amazon, a funny pic on imgur or a website supporting a charity. So why do you want to change that?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Moderation should be kept to a minimum and i don't think redditors need any hand-holding. If people are generous/gullible enough to donate to a certain cause that's their choice/problem.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What about letting people moderate themselves? I mean, that's the whole point of the karma system. </p> | |
| <p>I agree that if something reaches a tipping point it should get its own subreddit as to not drown out all other posts, but to be honest reddit itself is a place for Internet fads. This whole Kony thing will die down shortly, but if it doesn't, after maybe a few weeks, not after one or two days it has been, then this discussion should be necessary. </p> | |
| <p>I mean, if people want to donate to this Kony thing or Doctors Without Borders or Bebe's Kids or whatever, scam or otherwise, then that choice should be theirs alone. </p> | |
| <p>Even if this Kony thing is the greatest cause ever to get behind, I downvote them and move along. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Most communities on reddit revolve around one subject--r/music for music, r/science for science, r/spacedicks for family fun--and it seems to me that this is the best means of classifying posts. Starting r/advocacy is an attempt to classify posts by their intention, rather than by subject. Why not start r/attentionseeking or r/pandering while we're at it?</p> | |
| <p>Isn't it possible that posts whose purpose is advocacy aren't better served by being posted and moderated within subs that are related to the <em>subject</em> of the post? That way, they get the attention of people who might care.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>from a solely consumer's perspective. i think advocacy posts are good. reddit is a community that has the means and will to help people. however, people in general should research what exactly their money is going to, and spamming the fucking r/videos page was counterproductive and fucking annoying.</p> | |
| <p>so basically i agree with Ktrout17. proper verification and research needs to happen before steam builds up.</p> | |
| <p>just to throw ideas around, maybe advocacy posts are required to show sources and verification. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, so what we might get scammed every now and and then. There is no way to 100 percent stop that. I think as a group, Redditors are smart enough to figure scams out and carry out the proper action. With the whole Kony 2012 thing I watched the video and I support the man. When senseless murders and rapes are gonig on, I have no problem seeing this on the front page and letting as many people as i can know. As for r/advocacy I would never go to it because I would want all of reddit to play a part in the cause. It would probably be re posted somewhere else anyway. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well for starters, we need to be more serious and mature. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Good on you for getting the ball rolling! I remember we started to have a problem back about a year ago with sob story scammers with paypal accounts. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>None of the Kony submissions I've seen asked for a donation. Is your problem with solicitations for signing petitions, making donations and/phone calls or just for promoting a cause in general?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>First we should take steps to protect ourselves from moderators of main page subreddits censoring posts based on their own bias. </p> | |
| <p><a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3672541">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3672541</a></p> | |
| <p><em>This of particular interest here:</em> <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/RonPaulCensored/comments/prwb0/rpolitics_remove_a_post_calling_for_people_to/">http://www.reddit.com/r/RonPaulCensored/comments/prwb0/rpolitics_remove_a_post_calling_for_people_to/</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/politicalmoderation">http://www.reddit.com/r/politicalmoderation</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/mhcy7/when_over_8000_reddit_users_upvote_a_story_and/">http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/mhcy7/when_over_8000_reddit_users_upvote_a_story_and/</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Welcome to eddit.com</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I enjoyed it, but this is spot fucking on.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I loved it and this is hilarious.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>His ability to pause that long in conversation without it being totally awkward was impressive considering how much he did it to her.</p> | |
| <p>And agreed on this being hilarious; I lost it at the last panel.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's called being extremely attractive. Ryan Gosling could have a conversation where he only said "dickbutts" 100 times and nobody would consider it awkward.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>seriously...hasn't anyone else pulled this shit with a girl that likes you??? just don't break eye contact...she has to like you though.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I do this often with a guy that likes me.....but always with the intent of making him feel extremely awkward. :D | |
| He gets nervous if i stare at him so i make it my mission to stare at him as much as possible and always when there are many other people around.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You are a monster.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>But it was awkward. It was so awkward I felt compelled to speak just to fill the dead air.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Agreed. the long pauses came off cheesy and I felt I didn't get to understand the characters well enough to appreciate this "masterpiece" of a movie</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As I said to my friends after the movie.</p> | |
| <p>"I can't tell if he's James Dean channeling Rain Man or Rain Man channeling James Dean"</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I just watched Drive and well some of the songs in that movie are great for listening while just cruising in my car.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Great soundtrack, the first song got me hooked into the movie perfectly. The rest were not bad.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV_3Dpw-BRY&feature=youtube_gdata_player">kavinsky - nightcall</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>i was also extremely impressed how he handled the "awkward elevator situation". he knew exactly when to look over and smile, and still get the ladies hot (me at least)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, this is really accurate. My favourite part in the whole movie is at the end of the motel scene, where he slowly backs out of view for no apparent reason.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Haven't seen the movie yet, but this is what came to mind. | |
| <a href="http://i.imgur.com/GBYaA.gif">http://i.imgur.com/GBYaA.gif</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The saying holds true. The Simpsons already did it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was on the fence about this movie. It had some amazing scenes but they were so few and far between. I think the movie was at least 60% awkward silence and blank stares.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is a Eurpean film style. Think of it like pregressive music. Sometimes there are quiet lulls to draw you in, making the dramatic swell a larger pay off. It used to be a more common technique, but American film has generally become bigger, faster and louder. I'm not satin theres anything wrong with that, it certainly suits some films. Its just a stylistic difference we don't see as much anymore. </p> | |
| <p>Also, that soundtrack was fucking amazing.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm an American and I'm fucking saying there is a problem, a huge problem, with the sense-assaulting BIGGNESS of hollywood. Jesus, less is more, SHOW us don't tell us! We need more of Kubrick's sentiments IMO, the proper picture says a million words.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't really disagree, I was being judicious. Some people just don't seem to have much of a sense of art or imagination. But hey, I'm fucking terrible at math, some people just think differently I guess. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I have seen plenty of European, progressive, independent films. In fact for a good portion of my life I was a bit of a film snob (I have gotten better about that, I recognize that sometimes deeper meaning isn't necessary. Sometimes films are just fun.). </p> | |
| <p>While I do agree that some lulls are decent and that they do draw the audience in, I don't think they worked in this context. There is a difference between a lull and having almost all of the dialogue replaced by actors giving each other constipated stares. </p> | |
| <p>I found the plot to be, predictable, the characters to be flat and one dimensional, and the action to be...unsatisfying. I actually found myself yawning through the elevator scene.</p> | |
| <p>Also, the soundtrack was fucking terrible in my opinion. If I never hear "real human being" again it will be too soon.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Interesting. I thought the elevator scene was absolutely fantastic. To each their own, that's how art works after all.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>True, but I think it added a lot in this movie. The scenes that did stand out or 'broke the silence' made a huge impact and effect on the rest of the movie.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I agree. It was the pauses which made the violence all the more unsettling. You watch this couple grow close, and it becomes almost a different movie altogether until it's pulled back into the jarring and inescapable elements of crime and violence. The elevator scene in particular illustrated the dichotomy well.</p> | |
| <p>Not a lot of American audiences are used to it, so people expected something different.</p> | |
| <p>To this effect, it reminded me a little of Gomorra. Day-to-day grind broken by sudden acts of violence--only in that movie it was more potent considering there wasn't any slowmo to help the audience adjust before something happened. The shooters were mostly off screen, never allowing you to mentally prepare for what you dreaded happening.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I agree. It was pretty good but would have been better with about 30% less awkward silence and blanks stares. </p> | |
| <p>Reminded me of writing a school essay that had to be 5 pages long but I only had 3 pages of good content. Time to add some filler sentences.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A lot of people I've talked to about this movie were really turned off by the scenes. But I think that's the whole point of the movie. He's not exactly asocial, but his actions and expressions speak a lot more than his (few) words. I like how the silent scenes contrast greatly with the surprisingly brutal violence.</p> | |
| <p>EDIT: antisocial vs. asocial</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The performance reminded me a lot of old Clint Eastwood westerns.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Gosling's character just seemed autistic. Eastwood seemed like a badass who couldnt be bothered to talk to people. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's not just about that for me... it's the fact that <em>nothing actually happens</em> in the movie. Remember that race car driver career story path? Yeah, neither do I.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No guys. Guys. Guys listen</p> | |
| <p>listen</p> | |
| <p>he IS the scorpion</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Seems like there are two camps: Those who think it is boring and those who think it's one of the best films to come out in a while. </p> | |
| <p>Personally I'm part of the latter group. Loved every second of this flick. The pacing was slower and the scenes more deliberate. The action was brutal and explosive. Loved it. </p> | |
| <p>It reminded me a LOT of history of violence in the feel and structure of the film. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What I love about this movie is what's NOT in the movie. For example. I think the main character wants to die. I think he did something so terrible in his previous life that he feels he deserves to die for his sins. What is his day job? He does dangerous stuntman work. What's his night job? Dangerous getaway driver work. He doesn't even try to avoid danger. He shows no fear, even at the end when he knows what's coming, he doesn't try to prevent himself from getting stabbed or killed, it's more like he embraces it, he taunts the bad guy. </p> | |
| <p>That to me is what makes this movie a masterpiece, all the subtle things that are hinted at, but not blatantly stated.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Don't get me wrong, I think it's a good movie, but I think it was a far cry from what I was <em>expecting</em>.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Definitely a far cry for me too. I just loved it for the use of silence. What really stuck with me was that the relationships between characters who barely spoke any words to each other (ryan and the girl/her son) were much more meaningful and substantial than those that involved characters spouting nonstop bullshit to each other (alfred brooks, etc.). I loved that interpretation of romance- you dont need constant witty banter to make a believable romance.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Most people probably got hit with that. </p> | |
| <p>I actually expected a fast-and-furious flick and was going to pass on it until I heard more about it and gave it a shot. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I didn't have any expectations and therefore was not disappointed.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Apply to life; Win at everything.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>*When applying to life, do not expect to win anything.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sometimes it's more satisfying knowing that something can exceed expectations when they are unbelievably high already. Like seeing Radiohead live.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>HAHA RADIOHEAD REFERENCE! UPVOTE MAN :)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I try to do this whenever i see a film.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Best when you're just scrolling through all the stuff you downloaded six months ago and forgot about. "Well, <em>Thumb Wars</em> sounds like it has to be interesting"</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think one of the best films I've ever seen because of this was Thank You For Smoking. I was at a Flogging Molly concert and arrived early. While waiting in line, some local radio station started handing out tickets to a prescreening for the movie. I had never heard of it before and as a non-smoker I was like, how could this possibly interest me.</p> | |
| <p>Went to go see it cold turkey. No previews, trailers, or knowledge of the film prior to seeing it...and it was amazing.</p> | |
| <p>Same thing happened when the Corruptor came out. Girlfriend and I were arguing so I just left and didn't want to be found so I went to the theater and picked a random film. This was it (I liked Chow Yun-Fat) and it was the last showing on a week day. I had the whole theater to myself. Probably the best movie going experience I've ever had. But I digress.</p> | |
| <p>So yeah, anytime I run across someone who has never heard of a film that I think is amazing, I try to sit them down to watch it without telling them anything about it. Could be good, could be bad, but the risk of them loving it without knowing anything about it before hand outweighs the possibility of them telling me my taste in movies suck.</p> | |
| <p><strong>TL;DR:</strong> Watched Thank You For Smoking and The Corruptor not knowing anything ahead of time about these movies and I was pleasantly surprised.</p> | |
| <p><strong>Edit:</strong> TIL Thank you is two words</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That movie made me an instant fan of Aaron Eckhart. The only other role that got that endorsement from me was Robert Downey Jr. in Kiss Kiss Bang Bang. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I had no expectations regarding the plot, pacing, or any of the actual content of the movie.. but by the time I sat down in the theater to watch it, I'd already been exposed to about three weeks of the internet's huge raging Drive boner, and a million people proclaiming that this was one of the best movies they'd ever seen.. And what I got was.. a pretty good movie, but nothing especially memorable to me. I had no problem with the slower pacing or the lack of dialogue, I enjoy a ton of movies that're way slower & quieter.. but I just didn't think there was anything particularly special about it. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I expect the "fast-and-furious flick" and was pleasantly surprised!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I didn't have any expectations and thought it was shit.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>At first i downvoted this because i loved this movie, then i realised i was being a twat and everyone deserves their own opinion so i had to upvote you to get rid of my downvote.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I've seen all of the directors other movies so I knew what to expect and was not disappointed. Drive is a very well made movie, with no wasted scenes (nothing was in the movie that did need to be), and was filmed with a photographers eye. If you've seen Valhalla Rising (his movie before Drive) and liked it like I did, then you were not bothered by the bit of a slower pace, but I tend to watch a lot of movies by foreign directors in general.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was thinking more along the lines of "The Transporter" but without the cheese... and it wasn't too far off except they replaced the cheese with scenes of people staring at each other. I get that it's deliberate, and I've read that Gosling and what's her face actually removed a lot of the lines in favor of the long, awkward pauses to prevent cheese factor, but those moments made it hard to keep my attention. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I usually blank out of movies when they start rambling to each other. I have to say that it's true that movies are a visual platform, and less is more on the dialogue. </p> | |
| <p>The only exception to "less dialogue" are for screenwriters who knows exactly what they want to say in each little line. Examples: Tarantino, Coen Brothers, Alexander Payne.</p> | |
| <p>Watching The Descendants and Clooney's relationship with his daughters and friends unfold through both visual and auditory means was absolutely wonderful. There was no B.S. dialogue like most movies. Everything they said mattered to the plot or to characterization.</p> | |
| <p>Then Tarantino and Coen Brothers. Again, every line a character said added to characterization (though for Tarantino, it did not move the plot as much, which is what he intended). The Coen Brothers were both very visual in the 90's and now very recently. In the middle they relied on great scripts. The nice mix of visual versus auditory movies make all of them equally great.</p> | |
| <p>But then you see a run-of-the-mill action movie directed by a run-of-the-mill director and written by a run-of-the-mill screenwriter. Once they start talking to each other (especially when main character speaks to his love interest) I just yell in my head "GET BACK TO THE EXPLOSIONS". They have nothing to say. And nothing else deeper is going on.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think you'd like Steve McQueen's films Hunger and Shame.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In Tarantino films the characters never stop talking. Death Proof was 2 hours of people talking and 15 minutes of chase scenes. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>True Romance is another good example... prob one of my favorite movies ever. Good dialouge and good action.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Much of the dialogue in Death Proof is focused on nuances in the relationships between the women, similar to an old Cassavettes flick. I liked it for that reason, but I do know a lot of intelligent people with good taste that didn't like It because of the overwhelming amount of exposition.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wrong Steve McQueen, to my great disappointment.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I felt like it was two movies crammed into one, or rather the feel of the start of the movie drastically changed at the end. The start of the movie set it up to be a car-chase kind of movie. But towards the end it turned into a brutal fight for survival. </p> | |
| <p>I enjoyed the movie, but all the killing at the end came out of no where it seemed like. It was emotional whip-lash. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Supposedly the trailer was extremely misleading, which is fucking typical. I think the main thing that separates those who liked it vs those who didn't is that one group watched the trailer and was into what the trailer was selling, but then didn't get that. It's really aggravating.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The human interactions were too slow the car chases ironically didn't matter if they were fast or slow</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I know what you mean. I kept expecting him to get bitten by a <a href="http://i.imgur.com/ta72y.gif">radioactive lima bean</a> or something. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>LOVE the History of Violence comparison. Drive is a pulpy noire-ish style film. If you love that genre you will love this movie.</p> | |
| <p>Loved OP's post and also loved Drive.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm with you, I was really blown away by the movie. They used the lull and cool/cold exterior of Gosling to setup the rather dramatic change. There isn't really much of a hint for what's to come until the change-over happens. All the audience really knows is that there is a quiet and talented driver, and the audience is left to wonder what lies beneath. </p> | |
| <p>The feel to the movie was also very well done. A sort of retro grindhouse feel that's been polished to the point of shimmering. They took a kitschy style, the white scorpion jacket, that would otherwise just be ridiculous, and made it iconic for that character. I honestly can't really point out anything done wrong. And even if you didn't appreciate the story, what critiques can be made about how they told it? </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The pacing was slow deliberately. With the soundtrack and Goslings and the girls acting (don't know her name) the sheer <em>tension</em> build up was just.... so.... I can't even speak about it. Brilliant movie. No other way to describe it. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I didn't think it was boring, it just wasn't that good of a movie.</p> | |
| <p>Poor dialogue, uninteresting and predictable story, disappointing action scenes, and completely unrealistic and unrelatable characters.</p> | |
| <p>I understand it was "cool", and the music video scenes were probably the best scenes in the movie, but I thought it was an average to good film at best. Disappointing performance from Gosling as well.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think they went after a "style", which they nailed, but they spent so much time on that they forgot the other elements of making a movie.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Also reflective of my feelings. People mistook slow, subtle and brooding for sophisticated and well-crafted.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's not a "mistake" when someone likes something you don't.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How is subtle and brooding mutually exclusive with sophisticated and well-crafted? Don't people typically associate sophistication with subtlety?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Two thumbs up for succinct report.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The movie was a compilation of staring contests and awkward dialogue punctuated by loud noises and fast action(in a sense that it lasted as long as the pause at the end of a sentence)</p> | |
| <p>I felt the soundtrack was poor and overall I think they went with it for the sole purpose of being different.</p> | |
| <p>I'm sure that many will disagree but I didn't find it boring, or a terrible movie, but I certainly didn't find it enjoyable to watch.</p> | |
| <p>AND THAT JACKET, god that was an ugly jacket.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My biggest problem with the movie was the incorrect usage of vehicles and vehicle sounds in the car chase with the Mustang and the Chrysler 300.</p> | |
| <p>The Mustang used was a 2011 GT with the Coyote 5.0, which generates 412HP, while the 300 was neither of the appropriate V8 variants; the R/T or SRT. For the sake of discussion, I'm going to assume it was a 300 with the best possible V6 available for any model year; the Pentastar 3.6L V6 which generates 292HP. Not only does it have a 110HP disadvantage, but the 300 weighs at least 200lbs more.</p> | |
| <p>The Driver; with his skillset, in that car; should have completely barnstormed away from the Chrysler. Instead, we got a Chrysler V6 with V8 sound effects. The chase would have been actually believable if he was driving that Impala at the beginning of the movie.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I guess you missed the part where they were entirely custom vehicles?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The only thing that really bothered me was the cars having multiple reverse gears.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Did you watch the leaked version? I thought they took that out prerelease</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If you listen during the scene, he stays in first and it's the lack of speed that allows the Chrysler to ram him. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nah man, its the 300c. 5.7 liter 8 as opposed to the r/t and srt's 6.1. the 300c is rated at 340hp/390ft-lbs. you can tell the one in drive is a C from the rims, the small badge on the front fender and the dual exhaust still slower than the mustang, but not by the amount you're making it out to be</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was in camp three. I just stared at Baby Goose's immaculate hair, ignoring the rest of the movie.</p> | |
| <p><em>swoon</em></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I preferred History of Violence. That had some backstory explained through the wife and son to create a character much like William Munny from Unforgiven in that his fighting days were over but the fight continues to follow him. </p> | |
| <p>Drive got me hooked in the beginning scenes for being subdued and dealing with what most would consider an action scene as a suspense scene. After the great intro, I was a bit let down when the bad guy was just some goomba in a pizza shop. It felt like a stacked fight of the pretty boy v. The Bad Guys without any purpose except for saving the girl. Sort of like Donkey Kong with more brooding.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The reasons you don't like it are the reasons that it is so great. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't just think it's boring. It think it's one of the worst works of film making I've ever personally seen. There is no compositional consistency whatsoever. The violence was absurdly and comically dark aside from being poorly done, and starts half-way into the film, after the first half of the film provides nothing which would lead to the second half of the film.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>The violence was absurdly and comically dark aside from being poorly done.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>There was a decent amount of laughter in the theater during a number of the scenes. I couldn't take this movie seriously.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nobody was laughing in my theatre, that probably would've killed it for me.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I could understand why they were laughing. The scene in the elevator is reminiscent of the scene in Saw where he's bludgeoning with the top of the toilet tank. It's just way too long to the point of absurdity.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If you enjoyed Drive, check out <a href="http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/bronson/">Bronson</a>. Written/directed by Refn and starring Tom Hardy in one of my favorite performances of his.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Great performance, visually stunning, but utterly devoid of plot. Which is fine for a character study, but you leave the film with no more understanding of the character than when you started it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah that film was basically, "Ladies and Gentlemen, the amazing performance of Tom Hardy! And some pretty awesome visual design and cinematography! Enjoy!"</p> | |
| <p>And no real story. But I was fine with that.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Actually, check out all his flicks. I thought they were all great. Vahalla Rising and Pusher III were a few of my favs.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The general response to Drive reminds me a lot of how people responded when Lost in Translation first came out.</p> | |
| <p>You had the people who were familiar with Sofia Coppola's narrative style, or at least sort of knew what they were going to see, and seemed to enjoy the film immensely; and then you had a whole bunch of people who made their decision to see it based solely on the presence of Bill Murray, were expecting a full-on laugh out loud comedy, and of course walked away extremely disappointed in the film they saw.</p> | |
| <p>In that sense, I don't even think the majority of people's negative reactions to it really lie in any fault of the film itself, but have more to do with their frustration at what they see as some sort of fraud or trickery on the film's part. In the case of Drive, since they were expecting an action-packed thrill ride with fast cars and a ruggedly charming leading man, and were instead treated to a deliberately slow-paced introspective and thoughtful film with an emotionally confusing and socially ambiguous leading man, they feel like they've been taken advantage of.</p> | |
| <p>This is why I think with both Lost in Translation and Drive you end up with a large number of people who not only didn't enjoy the movie, but vehemently disliked it and almost seem to hold a grudge against it for not being the film they wanted it to be.</p> | |
| <p>Drive was my favorite movie of 2011, but despite the way it was marketed I don't think it's a film that was ever destined for mainstream acceptance or blockbuster popularity.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Agreed, should've been Bill Murray not Ryan Gosling as the lead.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I want to see this redone much like the raptor Archer episode. </p> | |
| <p>I am cracking the fuck up right now thinking about Bill Murray doing the slow silent smile at the woman and her trying not to laugh while smiling back.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Brilliant point. Your comparison with Lost in Translation is extremely relevant.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is a fault largely on people not paying attention to directors and instead look for actors. While it's not a bad thing, going in with expectations of "oh this actor is funny/badass/self-depreciating" isn't ... shit I don't know how to say it but "not a smart idea" is all I got.</p> | |
| <p><em>goes back to bed</em></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Drive is not Lost In Translation.</p> | |
| <p>In Lost In Translation, the director focused on making us relate with the characters as much as possible while conveying the proper atmosphere. She did not try to make the movie into anything more than it was meant to be.</p> | |
| <p>In Drive, the director can't decide if the film is about making us feel empathy towards the hero, or if he's trying to make a cool, stylish, hip(ster) film, or trying to make a music video, or trying to push his favorite songs-of-the-moment.</p> | |
| <p>To me it just came across as naive, pretentious and lacking focus.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Btw is there any other movies that follow that type of genuine plot like "nothing happens in this movie" ? I loved Drive and Lost In Translation for that.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I immensely adored 2010's "Somewhere," but a lot of people found it to be pretentious garbage. I thought it was one of the most genuine films I've ever seen, though. I prefer it to "Lost in Translation," actually.</p> | |
| <p>"Fish Tank" and "Hunger" are more movies that either play with 'real time' or are slow-paced and built on character development.</p> | |
| <p>EDIT: I'm not sure I can really say that 'nothing happens' in "Fish Tank" and "Hunger." Particularly "Hunger." But I wouldn't really say that 'nothing happens' in "Drive" either. "Fish Tank" is probably more what you're looking for than "Hunger," but both are incredible films. I have a feeling that "Shame" (also staring Fassbender--and, from Drive, Mulligan) will be a difficult to watch but impressive film once I actually get around to it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I wish I could say one word answers after awkwardly long pauses, and still get all the ladiez</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I still reckon 'Drive' was just a clint eastwood western with the horses traded for cars. I really enjoyed it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Clint Eastwood doesn't pause. He stares into your eyes through those slits.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well, it is essentially <em>Shane</em></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Spot on. Spot on.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I see everyone analyzing the movie but no one seems to be bringing up the fairy tale/western comparisons, as far as I've read through the comments. Think of The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. It's not a story about real people, it's about larger than life figures, forces of nature. It's a myth. Drive is much the same. It's a fairy tale, the characters are archetypical for a reason. Part of the reason it moves so slowly and is so quiet is because it's meant to have that other worldly sort of feel to it. It's like a dream. </p> | |
| <p>Roger Ebert says this of TGtBtU:</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>Sergio Leone established a rule that he follows throughout The Good, the Bad and the Ugly. The rule is that the ability to see is limited by the sides of the frame. At important moments in the film, what the camera cannot see, the characters cannot see</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Think of the scene outside the supermarket. The Driver doesn't seem to realize Irene and Benicio are even there until the camera pans over and reveals them. The entire movie is one giant homage to everything cool in the 60s, 70s and 80s. It's like a modern day spaghetti western mixed with Steve McQueen, 80s music and explicit Halloween references. If if you go into the movie not realizing this, it's very likely you might not enjoy it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>It's like a modern day spaghetti western mixed with Steve McQueen, 80s music and explicit Halloween references. If if you go into the movie not realizing this,</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>You're asking quite a bit from the ADD generation, YourBoyEvan.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Neither a real human being nor a real hero. Discuss.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So he was a robot?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No name, no back story, shows little emotion, says even less, killing machine who can take a knife to the gut and drive away smiling. So yes.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Now do a review on its soundtrack. Kavinsky - Nightcall sold me with that.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>While I enjoyed it, I think it would have been more appropriate to call it "Park", as there is definitely more scenes of people parking cars than driving cars. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>One point I've seen someone bring up is that the word Drive can also be seen to refer to the 'drive' behind each character when put into these high-stakes situations. As in 'The Driver' has a lot of it.</p> | |
| <p>I think that may be a bit much, but there you go.</p> | |
| <p>I absolutely adored the film though. Not a great screenplay but the directing is absolutely fantastic. Thoroughly enjoyed it every time I've seen it, and I've seen it about four times now I think.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I loved Drive - I saw it in the theater twice, I rated it as the best movie of the year in a local critics poll, and I even interviewed Nicolas Refn - but this visual review is fucking funny. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I liked Drive and I still find this hilarious</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sounds like you're a real human being.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I just have a raging boner for Ryan Gosling.</p> | |
| <p>And you <3</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>thanks, I'll take that as a compliment</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Thanks</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>.</p> | |
| <p>.</p> | |
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| <p>.</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>I'll take that</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>.</p> | |
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| <blockquote> | |
| <p>as a-REAL HUMAN BEINGGGG</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It needs more blank panels.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My thought, was that Gosling's character is represented as a Shark in the film. Especially after the boy remarks that sharks can be good too; it seemed to be a poignant moment. All the blue colours, the dead stares, and especially that long shot in the house after he's finished killing a couple guys where he draws back into the shadows with blood all over his face... The movie makes a whole lot more sense if you view it with this in mind IMO.</p> | |
| <p>Yes the silences are awkward, but they're meant to be I think more like staring into something and being in abject horror of the lack of interpretable intention in something's eyes, and the cold execution once that intention is realized in an animalistic sense. His sociopathy is part of this allegory, but is meant to be in the context of life as part of a food chain.</p> | |
| <p><strong>TL;DR</strong></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://2.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/5/3/collegehumor.ec52f755a7a9ef826f9677c3e12bf335.jpg">I'M A SHARK!</a></p> | |
| <p><strong>Somebody needs to make a supercut of this movie with fart noises in the awkward silences.</strong></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That elevator scene...</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd recommend that anyone who watches this also views one of Nicolas Winding Refn's earlier films, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlcfUzxxBDw">Valhalla Rising</a>. Though the film is vastly dissimilar in its setting, its parallels in character, plot, and cinematography are striking.</p> | |
| <p><strong>TL;DR Watch Valhalla Rising</strong></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>haha you fucking nailed it</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Reading through this, I know I'm in the minority here, but I HATED the College and Desire songs on the soundtrack. They were mixed in way too loud and played way too long in the scenes they were supposed to be framing. I think there would be a lot less of the hipster accusations if they'd left those songs out. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah I didn't quite understand the hype surrounding this movie either. I wasn't expecting a fast-five type movie, I'd never willingly go to see stuff like that.</p> | |
| <p>What I was expecting was a really good movie, and I got an okay movie. I don't know, the hype surrounding the movie before it came out along with it's impeccable reviews made me think it was going to be outrageously good, while it just kinda seemed like this review...</p> | |
| <p>Ryan Gosling sits and stares at things. | |
| Carey Mulligan waits for him to respond. | |
| Bryan Cranston Hobbles around and grimaces.</p> | |
| <p>I almost felt like the movie was incredibly tongue in cheek though, which I did kinda appreciate. For the most part, the movie isn't terribly far fetched, it's just a driving savant trying to right a wrong. Then all of a sudden he's driving backwards at top speeds and shit is exploding / guns everywhere / Michael Bay like in a bad movie.</p> | |
| <p>I'll need to watch it again, but I just wasn't super impressed with it. I'd give it a solid 7.5/10 at least.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It was a little overhyped because of who is in it. I've tried watching it multiple times but have only come to realize there was more dialogue in Cast Away.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A comment I made on another thread about this film.</p> | |
| <p>I also thought the the soundtrack, although very good, was used as a tool to distract the viewer that the story itself was not really generating emotion. </p> | |
| <p>This film is decent, however, if you were to take away some of the "tricks" such as the soundtrack I think it would become pretty forgettable pretty fast. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>only problem i had with this film (which i loved) is the fact that he was a stunt driver and in the beginning was supplied a Chevy Impala to not arouse suspicion but somewhere in the middle when he helps Standard rob a pawn shop he steals a modern (dunno what year) Mustang. Not only did this car not even have a car alarm but he just turned it on as if he had a key and drove away. which made me believe it was in car advertisement? i dunno..that little thing always bothers me about this movie.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I loved it! Reminds me of the old Clint Eastwood movies where you didn't have to express everything in words. A facial expression can convey a whole conversation. A man of few words.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Love the soundtrack. Enjoyed the ending. Just wish it didn't take so damn long for something to happen.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think a lot of people forget what this movie was initally praised for: its directing. For me, this is what made the movie stand out above a lot of others from 2011. </p> | |
| <p>In terms of plot/acting/pacing/all the rest of it, that will always be up in the air. I knew pretty much nothing about the film when I first saw it so I enjoyed the experience. I think that was solely because there was no possible way I could know what was going to happen apart from maybe a car at some point or something.</p> | |
| <p>I guess the long pauses and awkward dialogue are really hit or miss with some people. They worked for me as I kind of just figured that these werte the type of characters that would act like that anyway. Innocent, sweet, relatively kind. And that kind of served as a nice balance to the brutality. And, also, not everybody can be a smooth talking and witty conversationsmith.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My movie buff friend told me i HAD to watch drive, and talked up the lack of dialog making for some great scenes. I thought Gosling came off as ever so slightly retarded. I found it enjoyable and the rest of the casting was spot on, but i kept waiting for a string of drool to come rolling onto that silly jacket.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>From what I understand, the driver is supposed to be socially inept.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This movie is the best example of "show, don't tell" in a world of Twlight and Transformers.</p> | |
| <p>While Edward had to proclaim his love for bella in a song and dance (I think, never saw the movie), The Driver's behavior around Irene and her son shows how much he cared about them. He risked his life to get her husband out of trouble to protect them from the mob. He knew that he had no future with her anymore, but he was willing to walk to hell and back for her.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I am so happy that not everyone thought this was a brilliant fucking masterpiece. I commented to a friend that I thought the movie was a joke, and he got super defensive. I just don't see how you can take it that seriously.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I thought it was a brilliant fucking masterpiece and that OP's picture is hilarious. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Same here. I understand it's not a bad movie, but I can't understand how so many people consider it one of the best films of recent times. </p> | |
| <p>Poor and uninteresting story, poor dialogue, cheesy action scenes, forgettable characters. I rarely agree with the Academy selections, but I think it's pretty telling that it only got nominated for Sound Editing in what was generally considered a weak year for films.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It was pretty clear this year that making a movie about movies was the way to get nominated and win awards.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I honestly thought this movie was garbage. I came in with high expectations because of all the hype I had seen for it on facebook/reddit/twitter but I couldn't help but burst with laughter when <a href="/spoiler">he not only beats up the man in the elevator after kissing the girl, but he also smashes his head into a fine powder as this poor girl watches something horrific right after she was probably thinking that something special just happened</a> it was honestly way too over the top and ridiculous for me.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A random shot of Christina Hendricks's breasts is conspicuously absent.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is perfect. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The driver had a lot in common with the character Gosling played in Lars and the Real Girl.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I've told people about this movie and now i am sending them this rage comic because it is EXACTLY what i told them. dope intro with that sick song. then a bunch of weird looks. REALLL SUPER HEROOOOO HUMAN BEINGGGGGG</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The Internet: Loving to hate what you like since 1990.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I love to drive. I drive to work at my job every day. I also like things sometimes. Things I like are food, drinks, water, reddit, berries, and video games.</p> | |
| <p>Someone should make a sequel to this movie. In it, the human character could embark on a quest to open a bear-proof bin. Summer blockbuster 2013</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>so deep.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As someone who's family member has the condition, I felt the hero's portrayal of mild autism / Aspergers was excellent.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>oh my GOD THIS IS SOFA KING TRUE</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I love this movie, but this is still fucking hysterical. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Drive is, I admit, one of my favoirte movies ever.</p> | |
| <p>But this is accurate.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is awesome! I loved the movie, but this is brilliantly funny. The last frame killed me.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Spot on.</p> | |
| <p>The last time I had to watch a face with that much non-expression, it was the Jordan/ Katie Price sex tape.</p> | |
| <p>EDIT: Nice try, Katie Price. It's either that or another "How dare you voice an opinion that isn't mine!" pre-school redditor....probably the latter. Odd how reddiquette is only acknowledged when it suits.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Drive was my favorite movie of last year and possibly all time but this still makes me laugh uncontrollably</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah i kind of hated the dialogue scenes. It just felt like it was trying to be cool indie romance with 80's like music pulled in. </p> | |
| <p>It's not that i need blood and explosions to constantly to be entertained, it just seemed so deliberately slow paced with nothing interesting at all being said. Made more sense later in the movie when it turns out The Driver (don't know the name sorry) is kind of a psychopath so such conversations would be horribly strained and awkward, cus though he's an amazing driver and kind of a criminal genius, simple social interaction is just beyond his skill. </p> | |
| <p>I need to see it sometime again. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>FYI his name is "The Driver", haha.</p> | |
| <p>Agree with everything you say, it's quite a short film but it did feel a lot like there were long periods of nothing. Enjoyed it overall but some parts tried to be too minimalist for my liking.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><strong>PERFECT.</strong></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Like a lot of people I loved this film, but my only criticism walking out were the scenes between these two. It really is a lot of fucking staring and small smiles that kinda got on my nerves. Besides that, I understand that building a chemistry between them was essential, but fuck.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Still - it was probably one of the best films of 2012 in my book.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"So what do you do?"</p> | |
| <p>pause</p> | |
| <p>"Drive."</p> | |
| <p>pause</p> | |
| <p>"Like a taxi?"</p> | |
| <p>pause</p> | |
| <p>"no. For movies."</p> | |
| <p>pause</p> | |
| <p>"Like a stunt driver?"</p> | |
| <p>long pause</p> | |
| <p>"Yeah".</p> | |
| <p>One of the worst movies I've ever seen.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>People claim it's "thoughtful", but who talks like these people in the real world?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My brother talks like this. In his defense, he mostly deals with idiot employees so he just let's them ramble before giving a response in a few words and getting back to work. He speaks very little and only says what he has to (unless you get him drunk) . However, he doesn't leave awkwardly long pauses in the conversation like The Driver does.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Uh, people with social disorders or mental issues...you know, like the whole point of Goslings character.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Who in the real world talks like an Aaron Sorkin movie?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Most people on reddit, I would bet. </p> | |
| <p>Gosling plays a character with absolutely no social skills that is interacting with a beautiful woman he clearly has feelings for. His speech patterns are clearly different when he talking to his boss. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is pretty accurate. I hate the way people on this subreddit keep saying stuff like 'Maybe it wasn't what you expected when you went to see it', instead of just accepting that some people were simply not impressed by the film or did not enjoy it at all. The soundtrack was incredibly overbearing.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Can't stand people like that.</p> | |
| <p>"Oh you didn't like Donnie Darko? You must not have understood the deep underlying subtext of the film." </p> | |
| <p>Sorry, I shouldn't have to do further research about a garbage artsy flick just to convince myself it was decent.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Also, the underlying themes in Donnie Darko really aren't all that impressive. It's a movie kids watch in high school, (myself included) when they think they're watching artistic independent films, when really it's just watered down and the only reason you are impressed is because you're in high school. </p> | |
| <p>Also most of these movies are usually ripping off movies that came prior and without the proper education, there is really no way to know that. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The only people incessantly bringing this movie up are the haters. That is a fact.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm not a hater, I just didn't like this film.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I appreciated, for once, watching a film where everyone's native language isn't "witty banter".</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Damn. Carey Mulligan. She was amazing in An Education. She belongs to <a href="/r/gentlemanboners">/r/gentlemanboners</a>.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And she's playing Daisy in the new Great Gatsby adaptation - basically the original Gentlemanboner.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In my mind, there is a real, tangible scale as to the literal retardedness of the characters played by Ryan Gosling. Look at him in a move like Crazy Stupid Love where he's a hilarious, lovable, talkative guy, and then look at Drive. It's a good movie, yeah, but he has a bit of social autism or something. Seriously, try to watch those two movies back to back (in that order) without punching your TV in the face. Aaaaand then, we move to Lars and the Real Girl. Again, great film, but he's got Asperger's in it or something.</p> | |
| <p>TL;DR - At some point in the near future, Ryan Gosling <strong>will go full retard</strong>.</p> | |
| <p>edit: I'd like it to be known that I am not hating on Gosling. He is seriously one of my favorite actors right now.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If they cut out 50% of this movie it might have been better.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There's a hundred-thousand movies in this world. You don't need to know them all. You give me a time and a place, I'll you a five minute span of awkward silence. Anything happens in that five minutes and I'm yours. No matter what. Anything happens a minute either side of that and you're on your own. Do you understand? </p> | |
| <p>[pause] </p> | |
| <p>Good.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well you obviously missed the point of the movie. Perhaps "Transformers" is more suited for people like you. don't bother watching movies where everything isn't spoonfed to you. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I can review it in one sentence: <strong>Silence is the new stupid</strong></p> | |
| <p>Character doesn't talk much? Nothing happening on screen?</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p><em>OMG SOOOOOOO DEEP</em></p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Damm hipsters...</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So I guess my 55 year old father is now a hipster, by your definition.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Character doesn't talk much? Nothing happening on screen? No explosions?</p> | |
| <p><em>OMG SOOOOOOOOOOOO DUMB</em></p> | |
| <p>We can do this all day</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Agreed. The people who claim this as the "best movie of 2011" are sickeningly pretentious. I have not seen one positive review that actually analyzed the movie. They all seem to enjoy it because they think its <em>so deep</em> and that they <em>really understood it and you probably just didn't get it</em>. No, I fucking got it thanks. It just wasn't as good as you want to believe it is. I'd love for anyone to explain to me what exactly is good about this movie without being more vague than the film itself.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Please point me to all theses reviews about how it is so deep and anyone who doesn't like it doesn't "get it". PURE FUCKING PROJECTION on your part. I completely understand why someone wouldn't like it. I liked the film b/c it was incredibly enjoyable. I don't think it was deep. It was unexpected and different, which gave it an overall tone and style that I liked. The photography was beautiful. The soundtrack kicked fucking ass and it was violent in all the right ways. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm not referring to any official review, for an example of what I'm talking about read some comments in this thread.</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>I liked the film b/c it was incredibly enjoyable.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>That's great that you enjoyed it, but that doesn't make it the "movie of the year" people claim it to be.</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>I don't think it was deep</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>We can agree on that.</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>It was unexpected and different, which gave it an overall tone and style that I liked.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>I don't see how anything was unexpected... The whole movie was incredibly predictable, at least for me, and liking it because it was different is very hipster-esque reasoning.</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>The photography was beautiful.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Sure, but it really wasn't anything special.</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>The soundtrack kicked fucking ass and it was violent in all the right ways.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>The soundtrack was incredibly overbearing, and really the only source of emotion for the entire movie since the characters provided almost none (which I guess was the point of the seemingly sociopathic main character). I agree on the violence. It was paced well to accent the climatic ending, but that doesn't exactly redeem the film from its terrible dialogue.</p> | |
| <p>EDIT: You know, I think I just realized why I don't like this film: it feels like its trying too hard to be a "cult classic". Just seems so forced... </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Just because you didn't understand it doesn't mean that everyone who did get it is faking it or a "hipster." It's called subtext, and many people like movies that don't have to blatantly spell everything out for you. Let people have their own tastes without ragging on them.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Seriously, this was such hipster bullshit. From the 80's motif, to the faux-deep dialog, to the uncomfortably and intentionally weird "hero" song. . . I suppose that I'm just not cool or smart enough to "get" it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Love this movie. Also this comic is the first thing to make me laugh out loud all day. Kudos </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I fucking love Drive. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Everything in this movie is great; there's nothing that doesn't belong. The people who didn't like this movie went in expecting an action movie or a movie about chars, it isn't that, it's almost a character study.</p> | |
| <p>This movie is about the Driver, an <del>autistic socially inept creepy white knight</del> weird guy, and it asks the question "how far would you go to protect the one innocent thing in your life?" If you want something less interesting and more explode-y go find another movie.</p> | |
| <p>The lack of dialogue and all the "quiet" scenes: There is no frame in this movie that doesn't belong there, and it has no extra bulk. Having chatty characters would have made the movie and characters much less interesting and memorable. Everything builds the characters, including the lack of dialogue. Would you look at the driver the same way you did if you cut all the quiet, non-talking scenes? Of course not. Also, the movie conveys emotion through imagery, not dialogue. Read a book or go to a play if you want emotion through dialogue, cinema is highly visual.</p> | |
| <p>The music: I read some comment on this and someone complained. The music helps give that rough, dirty LA in the 80s vibe. The music helps the setting and mood immensely, it gives it a dirty, gritty and almost fake feel. The synth pop adds to the movie in a great way, other music would have changed the movie for the worse and wouldn't give the same vibe.</p> | |
| <p>Pacing: This serves to build and relieve tension. Do you know how mediocre having a movie full of uniform fights and explosions is? The pacing in Drive builds an incredible amount of tension, and it's let loose in the action scenes. </p> | |
| <p>I can understand why some people didn't like the movie, it's kind of difficult. It looks at human emotion and characters through a highly visual lens (we all know how weird human interaction is, that's why we're on the internet), and there's not a lot of dialogue to help you out. It's a hard movie, but also probably one of the best of 2011 because of the lack of bullshit filler dialogue, as well as a really interesting, (as well as kinda fucked up) protagonist.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Probably one of the most disappointing movies I've ever seen. Having a main character with asbergers syndrome only works when its Lisbeth Salander</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He had some anti-social behaviors I would hardly jump to the conclusion that he had aspergers syndrome. He was an introverted character, but he clearly was able to make connections with people and read social situations just based on his interactions with Irene, Shannon, and to some points Standard.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think he was a psychopath, one who needed companionship, but one who doesn't know how to react to situations other than driving and beating the shit out of people. You could argue that his actions were necessary evil, but you can't just do things that he did without any hesitation or remorse without being seriously fucked up. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Please explain your reasoning. It's like saying John Malkovich shouldn't act special in Of Mice and Men without an explanation.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Is that a real movie? Any good?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Their are plenty of weird or awkward characters but this character was just boring. Nothing special.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah I kept thinking a History of Violence too. Great movie, but the 'reviewer' makes a good point.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You misspelled "Shane II"</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>funniest goddamn post i have seen in awhile</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>h__l human being?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I found drive to be boring yes with moments of awesomeness...Upon re-watching I discovered that if you watch it thinking its a comedy its a great movie</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Exactly. This is exactly the problem I had with the movie. I liked it, certainly, but I didn't love it, and it had its share of flaws.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I liked it.</p> | |
| <p>Yeah.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This movie was done a few decades ago. | |
| It was called Thief and its better than this rehash. | |
| It was directed by a better director, Michael Mann. | |
| It had a better soundtrack, Tangerine Dream. | |
| IMO only thing worthy of mentioning is Gosling's acting.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I liked this movie a whole lot, and this made me laugh.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was totally not expecting the movie to pan out the way it did either. I liked it and thought it was awesome, especially the amount of gore they put into it. My only complaints was the creepy soundtrack and the awkwardness of Ryan Gosling</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hey man, just wanted to say that last panel made my day so much better. I laughed so hard.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Relax people, they are probably just working out deals so that you can put the app in the cable boxes and offer the cable user a discounted rate. Tivo already has a netflix app built into it for example.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Really. Not everyone has a game console or roku. I'm sure it's just a way to reach those people. Not everyone is interested in cord cutting.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Some people actually quite enjoy cable and the 200 million channels (ESPN included). This is one of those cases of "you shouldn't like what I don't like".</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>All I want is ESPN3 online</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I want ESPN8 "The Ocho"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, their last squirrels water skiing world championship was awesome</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"If it's almost a sport, we've got it here!"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think that I should be made CEO of this venture, I have the experience and skills to not only promote but play a number of awesome intense games that you plebes have never ever heard of.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>All I want is HBO without cable.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The problem is not that sports are popular. The problem is that there's only one real business model for delivering audiovisual content like this, and it allows the user virtually no choice. So the development of alternative models such as Netflix and Hulu is important.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My prediction is that Roku players or something similar are going to be $20 this holiday season.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hell, their cheap model is only $45 now.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Not everyone is interested in cord cutting.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>And I don't think Netflix ever said it wanted to be the role model for cord cutting. They're a business, and want to make money like every other business. For them that means putting their service on as many TVs as possible.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thank you. I feel it's even possible that cable may lose some subscribers if a deal is made. Many cable users previously unexposed to Netflix are bound to realize all they need for their personal entertainment is Netflix, drop cable, and join the streaming bandwagon. The people sticking with cable are in it for those cable-exclusive channels the article mentions (ESPN, HBO, sports, etc.), or just wasting their money. I don't understand the cord-cutter hate on cable.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wow, someone has sense rather than stating "LOL CABLE IS EVIL, NETFLIX ARE FUCKING STUPID"</p> | |
| <p>I wouldn't worry unless we start seeing exclusive content (whether timed or permanently exclusive) coming to cable users.</p> | |
| <p>Besides, it wouldn't mean the death of the streaming age to the outdated cable TV business model, Netflix has too many competitors to make such a risk (i.e. Hulu, Amazon Prime, Lovefilm (in Europe), Joost etc.)</p> | |
| <p>I recently subscribed for Netflix's UK service (Launched recently and hence doesn't have that much in terms of its catalogue) and I went for them because apparently, Lovefilm Instant is known for awfully compressed video quality, annoying amounts of downtime and has a lesser selection of shows.)</p> | |
| <p>My only annoyance about Netflix is that they only have partial availability of certain series (i.e. Scrubs, South Park and others.)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The <a href="http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/06/netflix-cable-bundled-services/">engadget report</a> says they are in discussions to tier their service, so you will have to have Cable to get full quality video. The rest of us internet only subscribers will get "standard" quality streams and still have hits to bandwidth limits while cable channel purchasers will not.</p> | |
| <p>This is bad for Netflix customers. It makes it so our streams are artificially split on quality.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Then again...Engadget is known for sensationalist/troll articles meant to get it's fanboy reader-base in a nerd rage to get more clicks.</p> | |
| <p>Also the use of the words "Could bring"</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well thats the point of responding to early reports. If Netflix doesn't do this, then great! Good job. If they are thinking of doing it then this is the time to point out how foolish it would be and raise a ruckus, before contracts are signed and we can make them abandon the deal.</p> | |
| <p>Netflix and Red Hastings don't exactly have the best track record when it comes to customer sentiments.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It says nothing of the sort. The higher quality video through cable is a result of the delivery method not tiering by Netflix. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If this is the case, then Amazon are going to gain so many subscribers.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Or piracy sees another spike. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If they really are considering this, then they have lost me as a customer.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Tivo has Netflix, Hulu, Blockbuster and Amazon. Hence why I don't pay for premium channels.</p> | |
| <p>I would agreethat it seems Netflix is just trying to expand their service, I see no probelm here.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Exactly. This seems like a win-win for everyone. For example my parents have FiOS, and I have netflix, but they never use my netflix because its too difficult to change input devices to my roku, boot it up to the netflix app, find the correct remote, and choose what they want (and lets be honest, Roku is clunky for non-tech people). </p> | |
| <p>If it was seamlessly integrated into the FiOS system as an app - they would use it all the time. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>maybe it will be an expansion of services under netflix? I remember how angry i was when i couldn't find the lord of the rings on netflix after cancelling my cable. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>THIS!!! It even says in the article that ALL they'd be doing is working with some cable providers to include Netflix in their box and be able to include it in their bill(like having HBO).</p> | |
| <p>Why is this bad? I'd like this if it got me a netflix discount. I have cable and I have netflix so if I could bundle them and save money... AND not have to switch over to my 360 to watch netflix... sign me up!!!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This would be tits</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I for one would love this. I am moving to an area with 2 options for internet: 3.0mbps DSL, or high speed cable with a monthly cap. Having Netflix available directly through cable would mean I wouldn't have to waste any of my monthly data plan on Netflix. THOUGH I doubt my cable company would offer this so it doesnt matter anyway.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>netflix is a business. if they think that they will have better market penetration by "going cable", or make more money, or spend less money, they will do it. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I cannot express how AWESOME it makes me feel to hear that cable companies are losing subscribers....HA HA! So glorious! Finally, they have to enter the world of non-subsidized free market competition.</p> | |
| <p>I agree, I am not worried at all about this. I would be more concerned about cable companies using QoS to jack up the prices of video streaming over Ethernet. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>i dont understand this topic and now i'm angry</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Goliath roamed the countryside for eons, doing as he saw fit.</p> | |
| <p>David, the new guy in town, came in and said "My people! You no longer need to worry about Goliath's reign of terror!" and this appeased the people.</p> | |
| <p>Then David grew in size and popularity. The people yelled out, "Is this the hero that has come to divorce us from tyranny of Goliath?"</p> | |
| <p>After time, David was found to be offering his services to Goliath. And the people exclaimed, "Wait David, you were suppose to help us divorce from Goliath, not do deals with him. We want <em>you</em>, David ... Not a David/Goliath partnership. WTF, bro."</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thanks, this is better than a TL;DR.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I can't read when I'm also trying to see things!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Eiffel Tower!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm angry that you're angry.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>STOP BEING SO ANGRY IT'S MAKING ME MAD</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So, telecommunications companies invest a lot of money into infrastructure to bring phone, cable and Internet to people's homes and portable devices. The two big kinds of telecommunications companies are telephone companies and cable companies.</p> | |
| <p>Cable companies even have deals with content providers that make them money, as long as people watch video over their televisions.</p> | |
| <p>Now you have this trend where people, legally or illegally, are watching video over their internet devices - everything from desktops to laptops to tablets and phones. This has significantly upped the cost on telecommunication providers to provide Internet to people, because it puts pressure on them to build more bandwidth into their systems.</p> | |
| <p>Plus, it takes away business from the content providers who work with cable companies, and cable companies might make less money.</p> | |
| <p>Meanwhile, while it had previously been a negative for most legal business interests and really just benefitted pirate sites (not even really the pirates themselves except in the form of free stuff), now you have an actual business, Netflix, that is making quite a bit of money off this - money that would otherwise be made by the cable companies (if it weren't made by pirate sites instead, of course).</p> | |
| <p>The fairly monopolistic telecommunications companies have responded to this general increase in demand on their services without increased purchasing of their products it by throttling service, raising prices, and either competing with or buying out the middlemen - because they still control the infrastructure.</p> | |
| <p>Netflix is a middlemen like this, which benefits from telecommunications company infrastructure while raising costs for them and competing with their in-house content.</p> | |
| <p>The smart thing for the telecommunications companies to do is bring Netflix in-house. That way, they get a cut of what Netflix does, and Netflex gets the extra heft of being on the side of the monopoly.</p> | |
| <p>Another alternative is to compete with Netflix, which Verizon is doing by working on a deal with Redbox, for example, and Comcast is doing with Streampix, whose name should indicate it is intended as a Netflix-killer. This is what the cable companies did to TiVo when TiVo competed with their business model, developing their own in-house DVR systems and basically wiping TiVo off the map.</p> | |
| <p>The third strategy they could use is to just throttle Netflix and interfere with its distribution as punishment for being a free-rider and costing them money.</p> | |
| <p>The fourth is to just do nothing, let Netflix win, and charge their own customers more for less content. There is no reason for them to do this.</p> | |
| <p>The fifth, fictional option, which the Atlantic seems to prefer for some reason, is for the telecommunications companies to cease to exist, so that we can live in a net-neutral utopia of free infrastructure, where everything is unlimited and you don't have to pay a big corporation for either content or connection. I don't know why they think this is even a little bit likely.</p> | |
| <p>There is also the possibility of a massive anti-trust lawsuit against the telecommunications companies for using their monopoly to try to crush independent internet streaming companies. Given the Republicans and the conservative Democrats, this seems even less likely.</p> | |
| <p>Netflix knows it has attracted enough attention that it is vulnerable to its suppliers and distributors - it uses enough resources and costs them enough money that they can't fly under the radar anymore, but it doesn't have quite enough users or pricing power to really push back in a meaningful way. Netflix needs to find some powerful friends in order to continue to exist -- or else the competition will catch up and they will be crunched in the middle.</p> | |
| <p>This of course makes people sad, because they like Netflix and think it is plucky, they like the idea of being able to be totally independent with no limits or responsibilities to anybody as this sort of web-2.0 business fantasy, and don't like the cable companies because they are generally jerks with bad customer service, inadequate infrastructure investment and political corruption.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Netflix felt like an online Blockbuster, and it is great as it is. If the MPAA had something like this in place over the last decade, movie piracy would be negligible.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The problem is that there's some stuff that's not available via streaming or DVD. And that's the stuff, ahem, "people" steal. Want the latest episode of Top Gear? Wait two years. Want the movie that's out on DVD? Wait a month. The games content producers play with licensing are why there's piracy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>To quote the Gaben: "Piracy is a service problem."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>From this day forth, I shall refer to him as "The Gaben".</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Quoth the Gaben.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>good luck getting them to see that. groups and companies this size are out for one thing, protect profit. </p> | |
| <p>the idea of coming up with or adapting to a new model of profit is too difficult. think of it this way, Netflix is a little boat with not much cargo. they can turn and stop on a dime relatively speaking, or if they need to they can make quick modifications to their boat.</p> | |
| <p>the MPAA is an oil tanker. any little change is expensive, and changing course could take half a day. even coming to a full stop is an hours long affair. maybe there is a better way of doing things, but am i going to take that risk when i have all this cargo? its a lot easier to try and get they guys who run the port to make a change for me. even if that hurts the consumer.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>If the MPAA had something like this in place over the last decade, movie piracy would be negligible.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>That would require them to be logical; they only view streaming services as hindrance to people buying blu-ray and dvd discs.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm thinking that we need to extend the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_license">Compulsory license model</a> used by audio recordings to video.</p> | |
| <p>That way an industry panel comes up with a fixed set of royalties that any service can pay to play in the pool.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Netflix sees its biggest competitor as HBO. HBO is aligned with the cable industry. Therefore, to compete more effectively with HBO, Netflix must also align itself with the cable industry.</p> | |
| <p>Actually, the article points out that they're afraid of getting boxed out on content deals and by aligning with cable they can prevent some of that. Remember all the griping when the Starz agreement imploded? It would be worse if the company also gets excluded from making deals with studios. Without appealing content, Netflix is not a service that the masses will pay for.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Netflix sees its biggest competitor as HBO.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Which I think is wrong. Their competition is Amazon. I don't have Netflix for original content. I have it for the back catalog and their kids shows.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not today, but they're looking forward. They're already beginning to roll out original content.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You mean Amazon Video? I'm member and to say the catalog on Amazon Video is nothing as of yet for Netflix to be concerned about. Netflix has a bigger selection and for some reason Amazon Video is a bit weird and shows listings that are on Video that are not available in my region, hype me up for nothing. Also, many TV shows I watched on Netflix are available on Amazon but then you have to pay extra (I have Prime Membership) and per episode. Only benefit for me is that if my roomates are on the Xbox, sometimes I can get lucky find it on Amazon Video and not region locked I can watch it on my Linux computers. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If Netflix goes to cable, HBO might lighten up on making their content available by streaming. HBO must know they can't forever rely on current subscribers to have HBO GO or for customers to await DVD releases.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd pay $8 a month just to watch HBO shows on-line without needing to get cable. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>HBO is an extra $15 a month for me on Dish (probably not worth it I know) so it would be at least that much stand-alone.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It might be less because Dish takes a cut of that 15/month. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's the main problem with the business model of Netflix. They're challenging the status quo but also depend on the existing cable companies for their content. The only way they can survive is if we as consumers <strong>DEMAND</strong> that cable provides content through netflix. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I canceled HBO because I had Netflix. Sure, it has some great shows, but I don't give two shits about them if I have to pay an extra $100 dollars for my expanded cable services so I can pay the $15 bucks a month to get HBO. </p> | |
| <p>The moment netflix starts fucking me over I'll go back to pirating movies and shows, and NOT cable just for HBO.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Before we all panic... <strong>where's the indication it would go EXCLUSIVE to cable?</strong> </p> | |
| <p>I suspect that these anonymous "sources" never mentioned that possibility, but "Netflix might ALSO be offered with some cable packages," like as in "You sign up for cable and automatically get netflix, but you can get netflix independently of cable too of course." </p> | |
| <p>Hell, HBO is making some moves to be available independent of cable packages. Granted, that's probably just to get more leverage in negotiations "If you don't give us more money, we'll just start allowing people to subscribe directly to HBOgo without cable!" (<a href="http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones">See related Oatmeal comic</a>).</p> | |
| <p>Calm the fuck down. Companies EXPAND, they generally do not contract, telling existing subscribers to fuck off and die.</p> | |
| <p>There's pretty much one way that netflix would go cable ONLY, and that's if some cable company bought Netflix. Which would be really unlikely and stupid, since netflix would command an extremely high price, and if the new owners decided to try to make you get cable to get netflix, we'd all immediately sign up for Hulu plus. Even I would, my wife would command it. I'd be all like "Baby, RUPERT MURDOCH owns that, I can't support that" and then ten seconds later I'd be entering my credit card info.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Marrying into a dying industry that will drive away your current customer base, while other services are looking to expand into your current market?</p> | |
| <p>Sure, Netflix, that sounds great.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>it seems like they're just trying to partner to be able to be able to reach customers that don't have any separate streaming device in their house. did it imply that they were going move away from their current model or just expand its availability?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>The information comes from unnamed sources and only mentions a quiet discussion of adding the streaming service to cable. But, if it all pans out, Netflix will become "available as another on-demand option for cable subscribers through their set-top boxes ... as an additional option added onto a subscriber's cable bill,"</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>The language could go either way really but I got the impression it would be them expanding their business model, not changing it. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So I take it you're going to cancel your Netflix subscription once they begin integrating the service into cable systems? How does that move affect any current subscriber's use or enjoyment of the service?</p> | |
| <p>I'm asking because I suspect your statement is just grandstanding. There isn't a good reason that integrating with cable will drive away customers, as long as the service is still available for cord cutting. Netflix doesn't have to be the exclusive province of cordcutters, but <strong>no one is saying it will no longer be available to cordcutters once it starts cooperating with cable.</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You're naive. Do you really think that once Netflix cuts deals with cable providers to be bundled on their set-top boxes, that the cable providers won't then exploit this new partnership to push netflix to cripple it's online-only service?</p> | |
| <p>My prediction is that we'll start seeing movies that are only available to the Netflix cable-top version. Or maybe that 28 day (or is it 56 days now?) delay will be removed for cable subscribers. </p> | |
| <p><em>Something</em> will happen to make Netlfix-online worse than Netflix-cable. Mark my words.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They're going to have to <em>really</em> sweeten that deal to make Netflix essentially give up their streaming subscribers.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Cable companies are known for being very <em>very</em> poor.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Are they? If Netflix sees HBO as its biggest competitor (and don't get me started on how ridiculous it is that a movie rental company sees a TV studio as direct competition), then do they even need that many streaming customers? After all, HBO is doing pretty well without owning a significant portion of the streaming market.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>and don't get me started on how ridiculous it is that a movie rental company sees a TV studio as direct competition</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>How is that ridiculous? Netflix has announced that their goal is to produce 40% original content. They have already started production of exclusive programming, including Arrested Development.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If netflix signs a deal to let cable providers tell it what to do, then certainly. Of course, if netflix is stupid enough to let the competitors it's crushing dictate it's moves, then netflix was doomed anyway.</p> | |
| <p>I read this as "Hey, now when you sign up for comcast cable, you get netflix right through your cable box! You know, in case your xbox, PS3, wii, ipad, iphone, android tablet, android phone, windows phone, windows computer, apple computer, Roku, Apple TV, or Google TV device decide to all stop working simultaneously! By the way: fuck linux."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>By the way: fuck linux.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>This makes me sad :( Netflix would be awesome if it supported Linux.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My 360 recently went belly up (temporarily). </p> | |
| <p>I was like "Hey, no big deal, this is 2012, my TV takes HDMI and monitor cables, I have both, I'll plug my windows 7 laptop in and use Netflix!"</p> | |
| <p>My wife pointed out that I take the laptop with me to work. </p> | |
| <p>I was like "Hey, no big deal, it's 2012, you chose to get an apple laptop, and we have a ridiculously overpriced adapter to fit the monitor cable (ಠ_ಠ) which will then plug into the TV and then you can watch netflix over it while I'm not here!"</p> | |
| <p>My wife pointed out that she wanted to use the computer while watching netflix, and the cable wouldn't reach to the couch.</p> | |
| <p>I was like "Okay, whatever, it's 2012, I have a backup linux laptop that I'm not using for much, I'll just play netflix on it over the TV so you can use the internet while you're using the internet, dawg."</p> | |
| <p>Neither my wife nor netflix was happy with the idea of linux.</p> | |
| <p>I was like "Fuck it! It's 2012 and I guess I'll buy another fucking xbox 360, rewarding microsoft for making a shitty product that breaks down and treats the user like a criminal!"</p> | |
| <p>Fortunately the old 360, having been insulted, decided to work again for the moment.</p> | |
| <p>Edit: I appreciate the suggestions, but I'm glossing over a lot of details about the setup, the living situation, the components, the participants, the budget, the demands I and the other participants have, the budget again, and dozens of other trivial things that guided the final design. </p> | |
| <p>Things like "My wife also does not want longer HDMI/monitor cords going from the TV to the couch for the remaining 3 months we'll be living there. Also we have cats that regularly destroy cords both by chewing on them and by running through at warp speed, potentially pulling the TV down. Also, my wife objected to using her computer with the TV while using it for her own reasons, reasons which I consider to be silly ("You don't want to learn how to use windows to play netflix? It's like two mouse clicks!")"</p> | |
| <p>So, thanks, but I'm pretty much doomed to buy another 360 if the current one goes down, it's not really my choice. Believe me, I've been down pretty much every option, they're all vetoed.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Don't you have to pay for Live gold just to get Netflix? Might as well get a PS3 if you're buying a new console just for Netflix.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Roku is always an option as well.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>get a longer HDMI cable from amazon for $7.21</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I doubt this is about exclusivity.</p> | |
| <p>If I had to put money down I'd say this was a way of making it easier for people to join. If you already have cable that means you already have a cable box. Most of the time that cable box is capable of handling streaming video. In the past that streaming video was just stuff offered by your cable provider. Instead of having just whatever your cable provider has available you can now have Netflix right there in your cable box. It removes a barrier of entry for people who are not very tech savvy and don't want to mess with too many devices hooked up to their television. </p> | |
| <p>Look, Netflix turned down Starz, one of, if not the biggest one of their content suppliers because Starz wanted Netflix to charge a premium for their content. I don't think they're just going to sell out after that.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Maybe Netflix is marketing their service to cable companies as almost an outsourced Video On Demand service.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Do you really think that once Netflix cuts deals with cable providers to be bundled on their set-top boxes, that the cable providers won't then exploit this new partnership to push netflix to cripple it's online-only service?</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Well, they haven't done this with HBO have they? Why should we assume they will be able to do it to Netflix. Hell, while we're speculating, do you really think the cable companies won't then exploit this new partnership to push netflix to cripple small children and puppies?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You should start your own streaming company so you can never pander to making a profit. You won't sell out.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I will. I don't want to support cable companies and will take my business to Amazon Prime. And when Amazon follows suite, I guess I'll save myself some money.</p> | |
| <p>Cable is evil.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You're a nut</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Cable is evil?</p> | |
| <p>I haven't watched TV in years aside from the occasional cartoon while eating and even I find that a bit silly.</p> | |
| <p>How, pray tell, is cable "Evil"?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In my area in particular, the government "auctions" off the cable monopoly. So the Cable provider pays the fee to the government to have a monopoly in the area. They then charge a fee to the customers to cover the cost of the fee they had to pay the government. This is in fact on the bill as an additional line item. It is a colluded privatized tax between the government and the cable company.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Far from the only market like that. I'd love to have fiber internet (runs near my house), but my neighborhood belongs to someone else. That's unregulated capitalism, not cable.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Exactly how are government-enforced monopolies unregulated capitalism?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Please correct me if I am wrong but if it was unregulated and a cable company wished to expand, they could. The fact you cant get fiber internet is due to the regulation that says only a certain cable provider can offer its services in a given area. again, I am not an expert on the cable industry, but I am pretty sure that's how that works.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TelCos are just about the most corrupt industry in America today. Possibly the only other contender for that title are banks.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Propaganda and business model aside, there is not one good reason why there should be twice as much advertisement as there is content on cable channels.</p> | |
| <p>I personally can't wrap my head around the idea of someone actually <em>wanting</em> to see ads, but even in the case that someone does, it should be an opt-in feature. I don't know about many people, but I refuse to pay for something twice (three times if we count the annoyance).</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You should check out <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/pz8kz/til_cable_did_not_have_commercials_until_around/c3tgl2g?context=1">this really insightful comment</a> about why cable has commercials. It's too long or I would copy and paste the whole thing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>there is not one good reason why there should be twice as much advertisement as there is content on cable channels.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Good thing there isn't, then. Your average half hour show is 22 minutes long, leaving 8 minutes for commercials.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Don't forget pop-up ads and product placement/endorsements that play during shows. You're being advertised to more and more all the time on TV on top of paying more each year for the same product. But... Yeah, his "twice as much" is still quite an exageration.</p> | |
| <p>But, I just got sick of the price I was paying vs. How much I was consuming the product ratio getting more lopsided. So I stopped paying for it and decided it is worth the wait to DVD for some shows, and anything on the networks I can get over the air anyways. I'd hate for online Netflix to get gimped due to a cable contract. </p> | |
| <p>I'd definitely look into supporting a company that doesn't implement the same ad-supported system that cable companies have been using. It tends to cheapen the product. Either from annoying and frequent commercial breaks to having a whole segment on a character talking about how awesome their new car is.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Me and several of my friends don't have cable television (or any other service for television) and will probably <em>never again</em>. We can find, literally, everything we want to watch online. <strong>Without</strong> Netflix. I pay for Netflix because it's cheap and a convenient, reliable, quick and easy way to watch a lot of things. The moment Netflix becomes slightly less convenient I would be absolutely fine with cutting them out and just taking a few minutes to search for a stream somewhere online.</p> | |
| <p>Now I know my friends and I are most likely not in the majority, but there are a number of people out there who would throw Netflix to the curb.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Blockbuster has their fingers crossed.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't see a problem with this particularly. This is a great strategy if it gives Netflix more access to customers and a larger library of movies, videos, and TV shows to stream. The hang up, which this article freaks out about, is exclusivity. This will only be a bad deal if Netflix is only allowed to stream to cable customers in which no details about that are even known. The article automatically assumes this is the case and starts talking about the ending of Netflix's streaming service.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ironically, if Netflix did this, Blockbuster would probably rise from the ashes. They still have a quite decent disc-by-mail service. The instant streaming market would probably be taken over by Amazon.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Netflix is in deep shit. The world is moving away from physical media, they can't strike deals with content providers, and ISP's hate them for the amount of bandwidth their streaming takes up.</p> | |
| <p>Basically, Netflix is running into company-threatening problems for the long-term everywhere they turn.</p> | |
| <p>Inking a deal with cable companies basically solves at least one of their problems (ISP bandwidth) and may help ease the other big problem (content) as studios see Netflix isn't out to conquer the world on their own.</p> | |
| <p>It's a bit of a desperation maneuver, yes, but don't underestimate how much trouble Netflix is in at the moment.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>they can't strike deals with content providers</p> | |
| <p>ISP's hate them for the amount of bandwidth their streaming takes up.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>This <em>might</em> have to do with the ISP, the content owner, and the cable company all being <em>the same goddamned company</em>.</p> | |
| <p>If they want to save bandwidth, they should let Netflix co-locate inside their network. Problem solved. Everyone wins.</p> | |
| <p>Unfortunately, the things that make the Internet behave better and cheaper work exactly the opposite of the way that people who wear suits understand.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why isn't anyone pointing the finger at Morgan Stanley? They're obviously the perpetrator of this nonsense...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A dying industry? | |
| <a href="http://www.adweek.com/news/television/cab-touts-another-killer-year-cable-138554">http://www.adweek.com/news/television/cab-touts-another-killer-year-cable-138554</a></p> | |
| <p>I wish I was that kind of dying.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Oh for fuck's sake, people bitch no matter what Netflix does. </p> | |
| <p>They charge me too much for their shitty catalog! I'm dumping Netflix! </p> | |
| <p>They had to pay more to get a better catalog now they want to raise prices? I'm dumping Netflix! </p> | |
| <p>They're getting muscled out by content providers making onerous contracts and cable companies offering up their own copycat service and need to evolve to survive by getting licensed through a cable company on top of their exiting service? I'm dumping Netflix! </p> | |
| <p>Just STFU about Netflix already. If you're so adamant that you know what the fuck is the best choice for them, put together a business plan and hit up some venture capitalists and rake in the money from your sure fire profit center. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Make everything available immediately (or a week after original airdate, DVD release) for streaming and charge $20/month for that "premium" service. I'd buy it. That's what I think they should do. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Right. You want that which is financially impossible. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How much do you think they'd need to charge for that? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The contracts (IF they could even get the content owners to agree in principle to the idea...and that's a HUGE 'if') would most assuredly be 3 or more times higher than they are now. You don't really think it's just Netflix deciding what to put on their streaming or not do you? It's the content owners putting restrictions on what they can offer before they'll even agree to sign a contract with Netflix to let them stream their stuff. </p> | |
| <p>New movie rentals (that come out at the same time as DVD release without the one month delay) currently rent for $2-$5ish dollars per rental. In order for content owners to agree to let netflix stream those movies they'd have to make near the same level of profit for it to be worthwhile. If they can make $20 a month off of JUST the new releases from a customer renting them one by one why o you think they'd let Netflix offer up unlimited rentals for the entire catalog for only $20 a month? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>what a horribly written article. can we get a more clear-headed, less knee-jerk source please?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>All I can say about Netflix.</p> | |
| <p>The day I see a single ad. Even a few seconds. One single fucking advertisement of any kind.</p> | |
| <p>I'm cancelling my sub. | |
| I don't give a shit how cheap it is, or how many movies/shows they have on it.</p> | |
| <p>I'm not paying a cent to be advertise to. I never will.</p> | |
| <p>Beyond that, I don't have a problem with Netflix trying to stream its service through other providers. | |
| (Although I don't see the point, but then again, I have the ability to make a VCR stop blinking 12:00)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Netflix is presently better than cable for two reasons:</p> | |
| <p>1) It eliminates the entire concept of channels and replaces it with content people want to see. I don't give a frak what "channel" my favorite content is on, and I don't have any loyalty to any particular channel. I just want to watch the things I want to watch.</p> | |
| <p>2) It allows the consumer to give the middle finger to local monopolistic cable companies for their overpriced video service. I have long believed that the transport (network) and services (video, telephone, IP) should be separated for technical, financial, and philosophical reasons. And Netflix allows that in at least a small but significant way.</p> | |
| <p>Hopefully Netflix will not work "deals" that allow the cable company the right to block streaming to individually owned devices over traditional data service in favor of providing the same service via the cable-company owned STB. If that happens, it's bye-bye Netflix for me.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Hopefully Netflix will not work "deals" that allow the cable company the right to block streaming to individually owned devices over traditional data service in favor of providing the same service via the cable-company owned STB. If that happens, it's bye-bye Netflix for me. </p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Not going to happen. There's little benefit to gaining customers if there's the potential to cost you the same amount of existing customers. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>offering lots of expensive channels (ESPN) some of us don't want (ESPN).</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>I lol'd at this</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What's funny is that ESPN is the <em>one</em> channel that I see most complained about being lacking for cordcutters.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Here's a perfect example of shareholders pushing for profit in any way possible. It's going to kill Netflix.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This reminds me of that time they lost half of their subscribers by creating Quikster.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They didn't lose anywhere near half their subscribers. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Maybe that's his point?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Amazon On-Demand!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If you can't beat them, join them. What's good for Netflix is probably bad for their customers. I honestly find it more difficult every day to find something worth watching on Netflix Streaming or on Disc...Which is the same problem I had with cable before canceling that.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>All I want is for Netflix to bring back Mythbusters.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Couldn't this also be good for Netflix as a way to introduce the service to cable-subscribers?</p> | |
| <ol> | |
| <li>User adds Netflix to their cable bundle</li> | |
| <li>After a few months, the user realizes the selection on Netflix is pretty great, and they don't really watch cable anymore</li> | |
| <li>User reduces their cable service, and eventually eliminates it, relying on Netflix and other online services for their media instead</li> | |
| </ol> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ideally, I hope, this shouldn't change anything for netflix subscribers. This would just be to breath new life into dying cable providers. Cable providers would be stupid not to do this. It delivers netflix streaming to the tv for non tech savy people or people who don't own a ps3 or xbox. However my biggest fear is that there will be specific content only available via the cable subscriber.</p> | |
| <p>What is most important about this article to take away is that large cable companies see how great netflix actually is. More specifically, their business model. </p> | |
| <p>Edit: had to add the word don't</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm not really worried so much with Netflix but rather every other company that thinks that people want to pay exclusively for their competitive service. It's going to end with a highly segmented market that's equivalent to cable on the internet. The entire point of Netflix is that it has all you want right there. They need to quit bucking the trend and try to come with reasonable licensing arrangements that make them both a good (but not absurd) amount of money. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Piracy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xy-BZj8fB2A">oppositely relevant</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Netflix is just looking for another device which a lot of people already have to deliver their content. There are only so many people who already have a Netflix ready device or are willing to buy one which is Netflix ready.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The easiest way to "cord cut" is to not watch tv. Trust me there isn't any worthwhile content anyway. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Pretty much every single person I know who doesn't have cable or satellite has netflix.. people won't get a $70 television package to keep netflix. They would lose quite a few subscribers I would think.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>But, if it all pans out, Netflix will become "available as another on-demand option for cable subscribers through their set-top boxes ... as an additional option added onto a subscriber's cable bill,"</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>How is this bad? You'll be able to get Netflix on your cable box just like you can on tivo, PS3, Xbox, and Wii.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>sweet, now Netflix's price can go up every month without warning and without reason!!! can't wait!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm confused and I apologize if I sound like an idiot.....BUT I Netflix were to just join cable and stream for cable customers only.......AND most cable already has things like on demand and now stream flix.......why would joining them benefit Netflix at all? I mean.....it's the same thing right? Considering you'd have to already have a cable provider to have the "new Netflix" I don't see the point???? Am I crazy or am I missing something?? I'm pretty sure in missing something ....</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I like that out of all the films they could have used as a picture for the top of that article, they chose Bug. Why? Why would you choose Bug? Bug is never a good choice.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I hope they wouldn't shut down the current streaming service but crap man you know the cable companies would eventually make them if they did. Also, you know for dern sure they'd increase the price or start tiering out the content for certain prices. </p> | |
| <p>So I guess, Scientific Atlanta start making responsive set-top boxes, sigh :( </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Pretty soon Netflix is be going to be studied in business schools around the world. "How not to run a business"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This comment will probably get swallowed up, but I am a Communication Technician that works for a small cable company in Maryland. We were talking to Netflix most of last year about this, I had no idea if it is what they were talking about in the article. We don't have On Demand and Netflix takes up 30% of our traffic as is. Unfortunately we didn't go through with a Netflix solution...yet. It actually posed some challenges with regards to equipment, however I don't really get why people are so upset about this. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Just get Amazon Prime instead. Free two-day shipping, and access to amazon's (almost netflix sized) library of free streaming movies. It's like $80 a year. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How many of you dropped Netflix like a rock when they increased their prices? Agreed it was a shitty move, but instead of trying to help them with constructive feedback you went on a witch hunt. Now we are asking them for favors? Unbelievable.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I haven't paid for cable since 1985. You don't need Netflix to cut the cord.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If they do this, even more content will get pulled from netflix.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm ok with this, i wouldn't mind having netflix as an "on-demand" feature, as long as my current subscription carries over. </p> | |
| <p>meaning, if i already have cable and netflix, i can tie the 2 together without paying an additional fee. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I would like netflix to have on demand service like hulu so I can watch the most recent episodes of shows. That way I wouldn't have to go from one to the other when I watch an episodes of Parks and Rec then put on Next Gen.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You know... I'd pay at least $15 for netflix streaming if they had a slightly more solid movie collection and shows that came out a reasonable time after their original release (kind of like hulu). Maybe even $20. I'm still hanging on to cable pretty much exclusively for AMC...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Quixster pt II</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>netflix is shit now anyway, I renewed my sub after months of streaming from china. Its so shit now I cant be bothered. </p> | |
| <p>No autoplay so I have to advance to the next episode manually? Fuck off. No landscape menu on my android? fuck off. </p> | |
| <p>hulu plus here I come</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm not clear why anyone would care if Netflix watch instantly was an option for traditional cable subscribers? Cable is still an absolute rip off for the price. You can still cancel cable and keep internet and get netflix that way.</p> | |
| <p>Netflix needs to go everyway they can so they can continue to grow and have the capital to force changes in the industry. They're still very vulnerable to what the existing services will let them have and we've seen that over the past year as content owners have rallied to minimize support for the service.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It was only a matter of time before the established media providers realized they could capitalize independently on subscription based streaming content. With various other companies moving to a streaming model, of course they'll want exclusivity on their content, plus knock their competitor's services down a notch.</p> | |
| <p>Unless Netflix can show that their third party management of the content streaming is less of a headache while still diverting some delicious capital to the content owners, they are bound to lose it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it sounds like they are just talking about making your cable box a netflix streaming device. Just like they did with the ps3, xbox, wii, roku box, ect. How is this a bad thing? The majority of people want netflix to thrive because it is their only source of major content or they would like it to be their only source of major content. </p> | |
| <p>And somehow they think that if Netflix teams up with cable companies then somehow they will be losing content, which doesn't make sense. </p> | |
| <p>If you don't want a cable bill and want netflix to thrive and have as much content as possible, you should want this cable merger to happen. If you already have netflix and have a device to stream it, it's not like you will be forced to go out and get a cable subscription now. Just keep doing what you have been doing and enjoy all the new content that would come with the increased profits and members of a cable merger. </p> | |
| <p>The cable and satellite business model is antiquated, yes. But maybe they are realizing this and considering this deal with netflix because they are wanting to make some changes. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Honestly, I almost hope they do this just so it wakes people up. The main reason they are looking into all these things is because they took a massive hit in subscribers when they raised their super low prices and the entitled masses lost their collective shit. Remember all the post on Reddit about how they sold out because they raised their prices. So they could, ya know, actually pay for the rising cost of the content that everyone liked. I still have my Netflix account because they are still a great deal. People boycotted Netflix hoping they would hurt their business and it worked. So as our grandmas say. Be careful what you wish for, you just might make a company that provides a great service do something shitty to try and survive after their fan base fucks them.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>We have a cable company that is planning to roll out Netflix on their boxes, but as far as I can discern the overall impact is no greater than simply having yet another device that is Netflix-ready.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>offering lots of expensive channels (ESPN) some of us don't want (ESPN).</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>I Lol'd.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>Or you know, someone could attempt to do \xC3\x80 la carte tv. Jesus, it's not that unreasonable, there has to be a way of making it work that isn't illegal. I would come back with open arms.</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Netflix has a brand behind it, and that's a very powerful thing. It would be natural for them to spread that brand into as many services they can. I wonder, however, if Netflix will achieve its former glory. So far every move they make is to pick the pieces of other people's decisions.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sigh... Back to torrents :/</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>i dont understand the problem i see this is a good thing.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>the fact is that netflix is not going to turn off the online streaming and force people to go back to cable. This is giving them another revenue stream that is aimed at the people who dont care, dont know, or dont want the hassle of subscribing to netflix online by making it an addon to cable. in fact im sure this will happen alot more in the future as this is a easyer way to get into peoples homes and get a bigger subscription rate and will help get better quality movies for the service.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>but i think people complaining about netflix lack of content need to work out that \xC2\xA35.99 or $7.99 is not enough money to get the latest movies and a huge back catalog like illegal downloading has.\n\ | |
| i know going from paying nothing for everything to $7.99 for a very limited catalog is a big difference. But people do need to start paying for this content so more content can be made and the movie industry needs to work out that they cannot charge \xC2\xA33.50 to rent a movie once or \xC2\xA315 to buy it on a format that in 5 years will change and force you to buy it again.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>the way netflix works is best for all parties\n\ | |
| This is all about delivering this content and the movie industry needs to work out that the internet is a great and cheap way to deliver this content. For along time now its been Cinema, Video/DVD/Blueray, Pay Per View, TV pay Channels and then normal TV channels along time after that and now internet needs to find its place in this market.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>I hope in 2 years time (sooner hopefully but i doubt it) there will be 3 BIG company's like netflix delivering content in this way.\n\ | |
| for about $40 per month you get access to (illegal downloading size) database of films to stream instantly in HD and films are added to this 2 months after they have been in cinemas. for biggest package ($40) you get unlimited access to the films and only see 1 30 second ads before the film starts. im guessing you would have to tier your movies tier 1 is new releases, tier 2 is 1-3 years old, and tier 3 is the back catalog. $40 is alot. but you could pay $10 for unlimited access to tier 3 with 2 30 second ads before the movie starts then unlimited access to tier 2 but 30 second adverts every 10 minutes and no access to tier 1 and movie company's get paid per view depending on what tier the movie watched is in.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>im not saying that its perfect but this kinda system is alot better for everyone involved. getting 2 million people to subscribe to the $40 a month package would bring in aound $1billion in revenue. i know its not perfect and it would cut into all other markets and all revenue from other markets would take a steep slump. but i do feel there is alot of promise in something like this.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>TL:DR a panda on the internet fixed the movie industry with his panda powers.</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Reddit has made me want to buy a subscription to The Atlantic. How many fantastic articles can one magazine have?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As long as netflix continues to offer streaming services online and through gaming consoles this is a non-issue, why is this being received so harshly?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Who is this 'we' they keep referring to?</p> | |
| <p>I don't think the majority of the people think of Netflix as a cable replacement.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>God damn it. I just got both my mom and my girlfriend into Netflix streaming on Apple TVs, and they've been raving about how much better it is than cable.</p> | |
| <p>So, sure, turn it into fucking cable! Jesus, Netflix.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>i have dozens of useless credit cards. my strategy for Netflix is get a free trial, and once it runs out just sign up again with a different credit card and email. :D you never have to pay.. unless you forget to cancel your membership before the free trial ends, cause it doesn't warn you. I've done that a lot. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't get it. They are just opening up their market to people without game consoles, dvd players with internet options, smart tv's and high speed internet.</p> | |
| <p>while that may sound like a small demographic it is probably enough for them to at least look into it.</p> | |
| <p>Likewise, why do you care? Just don't subscribe to their cable option.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Fuck that shit. Netflix is giving me Arrested Development, they can do whatever the hell they want.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's funny how they mention ESPN being an expensive channel that some people don't want. I know plenty of people feel that way. For me, however, sports are the only reason I <em>haven't</em> left cable, yet. If there were a good alternative to the cable/satellite companies for sports packages, said companies wouldn't be getting a dime out of me.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Smart move by Comcast. By letting Netflix on their service, they can further avoid increasing their 250 gig data cap.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I agree with the comments of the article, the chance of them leaving the streaming game is small. It will be the same as it being on xbox live for example. You must pay for live to get Netflix (which you have to pay for as well). It is just going to cable as another option, this article was dumb and missinformed.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Oh god, PLEASE no...</p> | |
| <p>I'm one of those "Never Cable" people, when I got my first apartment I just didn't bother and honestly I don't miss it. All I need for entertainment is my PS3 and Xbox... PS3 for blu-ray, Xbox for Hulu, youtube and Netflix. If Netflix goes in this direction and even offers the streaming service only through cable providers, I won't buy cable. I don't have $80+ a month to pay for TV I don't have time to watch. (I'd like to think if they went in this direction it wouldn't effect the online-only streamers, but that's not how business works...)</p> | |
| <p>So if this happens, I guess Hulu all the way, or just plain old youtube. This would really be a shame. I REALLY hope Netflix reads the user feedback on this one. Or we can get some more details from a better-written article.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Aright if neflix goes cable and i can't legally pay to get them online i'm using these sites (you can to) first to stream dozens of Tv shows for free to your iPhone iPod or iPad or android device (not a PC or mac tho) you use a site called <a href="http://www.istreamnet.net">www.istreamnet.net</a> and then you watch whatever you want boom next site <a href="http://www.piratenz.eu/">http://www.piratenz.eu/</a> for your PC more movie oriented you are the internet so you guys probably already know these sites.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Fixed: Do whatever you want Netflix, I'm cancelling anyway.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Please don't go, don't goooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't want Netflix to be available on cable boxes because that defeats what they're accomplishing, the cable companies are gouging us with high prices, hidden costs and fees. A lot of people are ditching cable and using just Hulu amazon prime and Netflix nowadays, and cable is starting to feel the competition, which is going to eventually force the cable companies to lower prices...which is a very good thing, this is how a free market works.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Don't go cable. He's a cyborg and will kick your ass.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I canceled my cable subscription over a year ago and never looked back. The internet is all we need. Cable TV is stupid. They need to set up their "channels" on some website because I'm never going back. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>and if a Netflix get an attitude, | |
| <em>Drop it like it's hot</em>, <em>Drop it like it's hot</em>, <em>Drop it like it's hot</em></p> | |
| <ul> | |
| <li>Snoop Dog</li> | |
| </ul> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A lot of poor people would love to see this happen. I approve this.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>everyone should look up Sick Beard</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I understand this topic.</p> | |
| <p>I think it'd be great for Netflix. Netflix is profitable, but every cable company has tried to offer "on demand" to compete, and failed utterly. $4 a movie doesn't work out when it's for only 24 hours, bad quality, and mostly B-movies. Within two movies, you're breaking even with Netflix. It might make comcast a bit of money, but nobody who's informed is going to pick one over the other, and Netflix was successful in making their brand accessible even to those with only a layman's ability to use a computer.</p> | |
| <p>Netflix going over TO a cable company, providing its library instead of whatever comcast offers is an improvement in quality of the service being provided. I can't really argue with it. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This would be a step backwards for all.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>and the point of this article is to do what besides garner web views and to promote small amounts of fear and paranoia? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Welp, back to pirating. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So where's the petition for me to sogn so I can help prevent stuff I don't understand from occuring?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>they just keep fucking themselves more and more. Just file for Chapter 11 already, they're done. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yo ho, yo ho.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/Y8mw8.gif">http://i.imgur.com/Y8mw8.gif</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Almost two years ago, I decided to dig in my heels and embrace the future of media distribution. With the blessing--demands--from my kids, I severed the cable. All content through the internet. </p> | |
| <p>If you're defending those who cling to the old ways because you believe everyone should have a choice, then you are totally missing the point. The internet as a delivery system for content is about choice. You choose what shows, what times, and even to a limited degree, what price. Letting the cable companies decide what packages to offer you is nearly the opposite of choice. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They would be stupid to tie it to a cable company. None of the cable companies have nation-wide coverage. The only option here is Cox, and I know they aren't available in a lot of other areas.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Who cares? Let them be idiots. Someone else will fill their shoes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You know if they do go "cable" and keep the price, but offer alot more content i would support it, i would gladly watch 1 or 2 min of ads before a stream if it ment giveing netflix a much bigger libary</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Change?!?! Bad!</p> | |
| <p>That is literally the amount of thought that the author of this article used to form their opinion. Oh, but look at that last sentence. She did flirt with the truth. In the same way that <a href="http://www.dlisted.com/node/32554">Megan Fox is flirting with this young man.</a></p> | |
| <p>First of all, Netflix knows people react badly to change. Because they have changed multiple times, and people have reacted badly <em>every time.</em> If they're making a change that would negatively affect their user base, it's not because they're all sitting around a table with their fingers crossed that 100% of their user base is suddenly going to react differently to this change. <em>"One of these days we're going to make a drastic change to our service and everyone's going to be in a good mood when they hear it for the first time. We just need to keep trying, guys."</em></p> | |
| <p>So my first line of reasoning always leads me to believe that they're making these decisions out of necessity. If this change portends something bad for Netflix users, I'm going to assume that they're trying to swim out of some deep shit. If it doesn't mean something bad, (and this is where my intuition is leading me,) it's just going to give our society a few more options for watching tv. Which, honestly, probably makes the world a less interesting place anyway.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't care. I already cancelled my Netflix sub.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This title is misleading.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm a pirate so this piece of news doesn't matter to me. Arrgh!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My Comcrap cable developed a white noise problem, after about two months of not caring the cable was out, watch over-the-air HD and Netflix streaming, I decided to call them to cancel. Now, I don't pay for shows I never watched anyway. </p> | |
| <p>There's no way I'm paying anything more than $15/mo for Comcast/Netflix, I don't want Comcast, so if they want to merge they will have to come up with something in the $15 range if they want me to be a customer.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Did Netflix hire a new PR team or something?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Netflix, please become available worldwide so we can stop pirating stuff. </p> | |
| <p>THINK OF THE CHILDREN</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There was a time when Netflix was my favorite company for customer satisfaction. It is rapidly falling through the floor. It modified a quality interface to make it more difficult to find a movie. At one time you could mark a movie "not interested", and it wouldn't appear again. Now, not only does it display, but the rating of "not interested" has been erased. | |
| Movies that I watched a couple of years ago on Netflix are classified as newly arrived.</p> | |
| <p>Why can't I select not to display movies I have seen, or are not interested in? It takes too long to find anything worth watching because I have to plow through the same titles every time I look. I suspended my Netflix account for March. Perhaps I can convince my wife that Netflix has no value, and we can do away with it all together. This is not a cost issue, but one of miserable customer treatment.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is so ass backwards. Cable companies just need to start streaming and offering al la carte subscriptions to channels.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Its not suppose to be happening the way. The cable companies are suppose to the the user demand for content without blockbuster dates, commercials, or high prices and adapt to provide those three consumer needs. Instead they are using their power to limit innovative companies like Netflix... Shameful</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Oh well, it will be back to my awesome local video store for me. I will not be paying Comcast crazy amounts of money for television. Just not worth it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Heh, Bug is the first movie I got on Netflix.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You went full cable, Netflix. Never go full cable. Ask CBS, 2001. Remember? Went full cable, went home empty handed.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Great, I'd just cancel. Their greed is making them stupid.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>At what point does Netflix just get rid of their CEO? This is backwards to where they need to be. Three strikes and you're out.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>SO here's a thought...I have no problem staying away from cable..and if Netflix goes to Cable, this might allow them to add more films to their library on instant streaming - which will be great for all of us....to those with no self control or using cable anyways....netflix will get more customers which in turn equals a better chance at them adding more films to their instant library.</p> | |
| <p>tl;dr any move that gets Netflix to add more films to their instant library is fine /w me, I still won't use cable</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Netflix has been going downhill for a while anyway. There are so many other services available, and I'm sure even more on the horizon. This is really not a big deal. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Stock trader here, Shorted the shit out of NFLX this morning.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As a defender of the internet, why did you vote for warrantless wiretapping and retroactive telecom immunity in 2008?</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-437">http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2008-437</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>i want this answered.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>We shouldn't be suprised that one of the most partisan Republicans from what misguidedly brags to be the "Reddest County in the Country" supports baiting the president on social and ethical grounds as opposed to working in policy that actually helps the country. Supporting warrant-less wiretapping and telecom was a big right wing push in 2008, whereas SOPA was supported by Democrats. An ideologue is not a "digital rights defender". </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He did that because, <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/qlqys/iama_congressman_darrell_issa_internet_defender/c3yknep">as he said in this IAmA,</a> "Your first amendment rights, your second amendment right to bear arms, your fifth amendment rights come first - before any law or mandate." Before the fourth amendment, which that bill shit on.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Darrel would prefer not to comment on this.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So, what did you think of the movie Rampart?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why bother doing an iama if you're going to wave off all critical questions?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm pretty sure that's a junk account... Especially seeing how the representative's name isn't "Darrel".</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Typical</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nice try by his young campaign staff, trying to make him look cool with fracking Battlestar and having him do a Reddit AMA. Too bad he goes against pretty much everything that the majority of Redditors are for. Fuck the ultra-right wing.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Of course he's groovy with the youngsters. He wears turtlenecks for god's sake.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Then shouldn't you have posted this in the "AMA: Softballs" subreddit?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Of course he wouldn't, but he needs to reconcile his actions with his purported beliefs. How are we to believe anything he says?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Because there's more money in voting for the interests of your financial backers.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You've made private transactions totaling more than $1 billion over the past decade. Do you think there should be limitations on the private transactions Members can undertake given the inherent conflicts of interest in drafting legislation that affects your investments? Would you oppose having elected officials' assets placed in blind trusts while in office?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I want to see an answer to this. Great question!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Darrel would prefer not to comment on this.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Is this a novelty account?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Are <em>you</em>?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, I actually rape people.</p> | |
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| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>... \xE0\xB2\xA0_o;</p>\n\ | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is so going on r/shitredditsays! Clearly this off collar joke means that you are actually a misogynist. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Mr. Issa, as a native of your congressional district I am very curious on your stance on the regulation of marijuana from the perspective of government reform. As Chairman of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, I would like to know if you think it is important to explore both the socioeconomic impacts of marijuana criminalization and the judicial merit of its classification by the DEA compared to alcohol or cigarettes. </p> | |
| <p>As you know, medical marijuana dispensaries have been very successful in the district and, in my opinion, have anecdotally shown the historical concerns over the plant to be hyperbole. As Chairman of OGR during this time of budgetary crisis, why doesn't it make sense to take a full official inquiry into how much the war on marijuana really costs (law enforcement, prison, workforce), and what a regulated market could generate in terms of revenue? And, importantly to me, does it make sense to launch an official probe into whether or not it's current classification as a schedule C substance is justified?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Articles like this really make me wonder who this law is intended to protect: <a href="http://www.republicreport.org/2012/exclusive-why-cant-you-smoke-pot-because-lobbyists-are-getting-rich-off-of-the-war-on-drugs/">http://www.republicreport.org/2012/exclusive-why-cant-you-smoke-pot-because-lobbyists-are-getting-rich-off-of-the-war-on-drugs/</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's quite absurd how taboo the drug question has become.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Because politicians know they are on the wrong side of the fence on the issue (being opposed to less restrictive regulation), and they are bound by the countless lobbyists for the sick and disgusting for-profit prison system.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>To provide color to my request, I suffer from a debilitating chronic illness. When I periodically experience flare-ups, the only pharmaceutical option I have at my disposal are to take corticosteroids, which don't take effect right away and can have devastating side effects. Cannabis on the other hand relieves my symptoms immediately without the risks. Even though we have this option in California, the rest of the country does not - and the federal government could still label me a criminal whether I am in California or not.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Rep. Issa, prisons are killing California's budget - what say you?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I highly doubt that Congressman Issa is going to comment on something so controversial as this, although I wish he would. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So you are going to dodge this one Congressman?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Mr. Congressman, I too am wanting an explanation on this topic. I am a veteran and luckily for me, I live in the state of California. The dispensaries here make an infused shea butter which is transdermal and extremely effective for all types of musculo-skeletal pain. It's keeps me off the vicoden and keeps me working the two jobs that I currently have. The incarceration of non-violent offenders for marijuana charges seems to go against all good common sense. Matter of fact, given that marijuana has sooo many health benefits as opposed to the drugs, alcohol and nicotine (both of which can kill you) it no longer makes sense to prosecute and go after these citizens unless the only reason is corporate prison profit. </p> | |
| <p>When will we do the things necessary to reduce our rates of incarceration? What does it say about our justice system and what does it say about our country when the fastest growing occupation in this country is prisoner? Shameful. Time to make a difference. </p> | |
| <p>From Wikipedia: "The United States of America has an incarceration rate of 743 per 100,000 of national population (as of 2009), the highest in the world.[2] In comparison, Russia has the second highest 577 per 100,000, Canada is 123rd in the world with 117 per 100,000, and China has 120 per 100,000.[2] While Americans only represent about 5 percent of the world's population, one-quarter of the entire world's inmates are incarcerated in the United States.[3]"</p> | |
| <p>Something here is very wrong. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wow. Very powerful response. Thank you, Kalyco. These are the kind of stories that our representatives in government need to share with the naysayers and the profiteers. I hope Congressman Issa will take the time to respond to you. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I guess we should have asked a question about "Rampart"....</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Mr. Congressman, I also am curious as to what your views on this issue are.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Seriously Issa. Don't be an out of touch scumbag. People care about this issue. People are being murdered because of prohibition, and prohibition does absolutely nothing to stop drug use. We can't even get drugs out of the prisons that we're sending our non-violent "criminals" to. Do you support the violent crime that prohibition causes just so a handful of private prisons can make money at the expense of your countrymen? </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He's probably just going to be a little bitch and not say shit about this. Why don't you Californians take some direct action and not elect this cock sucker next term, eh? </p> | |
| <p>Edit: God, it feels great to call a congressman a little bitch in a forum where he might actually see it. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Darrel would prefer not to comment on this.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Rep. Issa, thank you for this opportunity. </p> | |
| <p>I am an Army Iraq and Afghanistan veteran and while I am not an upper echelon soldier, I see a plethora of ways to save money via cutting contract jobs. I am effectively outsourced (although still deployed and receiving a pay check) due to the overuse of contractors that perform my military occupational specialty. They earn approximately four to six times what I earn per year and do roughly the same job. In light of budget deficits and the eternal partisan bickering over the debt, wouldn't it make sense to limit the amount of contracting that is awarded to these war profiteering companies and give us soldiers our jobs back?</p> | |
| <p>Thank you again for your time and thank you for standing up for my rights back in the States while I fight for yours out here in the middle of nowhere.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Please for the love of all that is holy answer this question. Government defense contracting is probably the hugest waste of money ever. You pay a guy to do the exact same job as the guy they are sitting next to but pay one of them 8 times more. I've even seen two contractors from different companies show up and say they were there to do the same damn job. I made them share a desk...</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd love to hear an answer to this one. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hey there, | |
| Thank you for serving our country and keeping us safe. Hooah. | |
| First, it appears Gen Dempsey agrees w/ you...this is from a speech he gave <a href="http://fedscoop.com/dempsey-contractors-outnumber-soldiers/">today</a>. | |
| Second, you are 100% right. But it's not just soldiers...there are many jobs non-mil govt employees should be doing that are now being done at great expense to the taxpayer by folks in the contracting community.</p> | |
| <p>Our committee has been <a href="http://oversight.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1462%3A10-4-2011-qwhere-is-the-peace-dividend-examining-the-final-report-to-congress-of-the-commission-on-wartime-contractingq&catid=12%3Afull-committee-hearings&Itemid=1">digging</a> into this hard. Did you know since 2002 DoD ALONE has spent $202 billion on contracting? As much as $60 BILLION of that is fraud. Lots of problems here.</p> | |
| <p>We're working w/ folks over in the Senate on solutions to achieve the goal you laid out. Soldiers like you deserve better, and so do the taxpayers funding it all.</p> | |
| <p>Thank you and be safe.</p> | |
| <p>P.S. don't sell yourself short...as an Army vet (enlisted and officer), I know that the best ideas usually come from the guys like you doing the heavy lifting. Keep it up.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It is great that you are here answering questions. But the general theme here seems to be that you keep responding to specific issues and questions with "we have been digging in to this" and "we are working with the senate or the house on this". But you don't really provide any specifics.</p> | |
| <p>When you say you are working with the senate on this what specifically do you mean? What are you trying to push through the senate in regards to this very issue? Are you trying to put in place any limits on what contractors can and can't do? Are you putting any limits on what they can and can't be paid? I don't mean to oversimplify the issue, but some actual specifics would be nice in this AMA (which again is great of you to do). The link you posted to your statement on this seems to go after the state department and other agencies ran by the white house. But it doesn't address the specific question ptyyy asked you which is in regards to jobs soldiers could do. Why do we pay a huge premium to private contractors for security work when soldiers can do same exact job without the additional premium?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Do you continue to support the Patriot act and other bills that continue to strip away civil liberties in the name of "safety", and if not why have you not introduced legislation to repeal such bills?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How can you call yourself a "techie" when you authored the Research Works Act?</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_Works_Act">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Research_Works_Act</a></p> | |
| <p>Your bill is almost universally opposed by research scientists, and runs counter to the open-source principles that make the Internet possible.</p> | |
| <p>(To other redditors: The bill is basically dead now, the scientists won)</p> | |
| <p>Statement by Issa/Maloney: | |
| <a href="http://maloney.house.gov/press-release/issa-maloney-statement-research-works-act">http://maloney.house.gov/press-release/issa-maloney-statement-research-works-act</a></p> | |
| <p>"The American people deserve to have access to research for which they have paid. This conversation needs to continue and we have come to the conclusion that the Research Works Act has exhausted the useful role it can play in the debate."</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As most people know, the draft Research Works Act intended to standardize and harmonize government's copyright recognition of author. It was poorly written and now Rep Maloney and I have withdrawn it. But understand, it is always going to be complex and hard to find the right balance between individual creation/invention and government/the people's rights. </p> | |
| <p>Imagine if a mother receiving public support wrote a mindblowingly successful & prize-winning book, only to have the govt claim no copyright existed because taxpayer money was supporting her? We need to make sure our inventors/innovators/artists are protected, but also need to do a whole lot more to open up publicly-funded data to everyone. That's why I authored the DATA Act. Check it out here: <a href="http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2011/06/13/the-data-act-of-2011-rep-issa-introduces-major-federal-spending-transparency-legislation/">http://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2011/06/13/the-data-act-of-2011-rep-issa-introduces-major-federal-spending-transparency-legislation/</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As a scientist I'M the one doing the research and writing the work... I even have to PAY the journals when submitting an article. Yet I still want my work to be free and open to the public because they're the ones funding it. The publishers are not the inventors/innovators/artists here yet they're the ones making all the money and forcing cash-strapped institutions to buy bundled subscriptions. I hope to see you on the right side of the argument the next time this comes up as I'm sure it will.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think a better analogy than the one you gave is if the govt gave the copyright of that mother's book to the typesetters - that's little less than what the publishers do at this point. They don't do the research, and they don't review it. This whole hoopla about them being necessary for peer review and therefore scientific integrity is complete bull. They don't pay peer reviewers one cent; peer review existed before the modern academic publishing conglomerate, and it will exist after them. Open Access journals like the PLoS journals employ peer review just as effectively.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Researchers are paid with grants for the work they do. Researchers have never made money publishing their results. In the traditional, pre-Internet model, they have to pay the journal to be considered and published.</p> | |
| <p>A better analogy would be that you, the government, are forcing researchers to publish only through a vanity press where they must pay to be published <em>and</em> not get any exposure to the readers that might find it interesting.</p> | |
| <p>You either continue to be ignorant and will continue to create badly-written legislation or you are lying and will continue to create deceptively-written legislation for the sole benefit of middlemen and their lobbyists.</p> | |
| <p>You really aren't doing yourself any favors here. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why would you sponsor a poorly written bill in the first place?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I know this is just an intern/staffer writing out these responses, but the analogy with the mother receiving public funds is flawed. When a prospective grant recipient applies for government funds there is language regarding whether or not they will hold the exclusive or nonexclusive copyright.</p> | |
| <p>Sticking with that analogy, why should she retain exclusive copyright? She would not have been able to accomplish what she did without money collected from other taxpayers. The rest of us should have to pay twice?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nice point. One picture does not mean an unpaid intern or poorly paid staffer isn't writing these answers.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why did you refuse to allow Sandra Fluke to testify and why did you only hear from male religious leaders on a matter of women's health? Do you regret your decision? </p> | |
| <p>Edit - I'd just like to thank Rep. Issa for doing an IAMA. While I personally may not agree with him on specific political policies, I think it's great when elected officials are willing to step into a public forum like this and discuss ideas. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Your "Edit" is ass-crawling. Unnecessary. Politicians are SUPPOSED to be the public's servant. If we have to congratulate them on answering questions publicly... well, maybe the state of democracy is worse than I thought.</p> | |
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| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>Thanks for asking. First off, the hearing was on the implications of the President\xE2\x80\x99s new HHS mandate on the first amendment religious liberties we all share. And we actually heard testimony from two women at the hearing - Dr. Allison Garrett and Dr. Laura Champion. Here\xE2\x80\x99s video of their testimony that day: <a href=\"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj1l8suFE68\">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj1l8suFE68</a>. </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>The Oversight Committee Dems made two last-minute witness requests who could testify on the matter of religious liberty, and we accepted the witness who fit on a panel with American religious leaders of many faiths.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Your first amendment rights, your second amendment right to bear arms, your fifth amendment rights come first - before any law or mandate. </p>\n\ | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think there's some confusion over the difference between defending religious rights versus opposing birth control. Instead of Catholic institutions opposing birth control, what if it was Jehovah's Witnesses who didn't want their institution's insurance to cover blood transfusions. Would you still support their right to express their religious views?</p> | |
| <p>Congressman, I'm afraid that people taking your position that this is an issue of religious freedom are being lumped in with people who think birth control makes women sluts (which sounds like a completely different argument than yours). Why not distance yourself from the latter group?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You do not have the religious liberty to impose your moral beliefs on others. No one is forcing any person to use birth control.</p> | |
| <p>Edit: It's a topic very similar to war, which is 100% against my beliefs and morals, and yet I am forced to pay for it with my taxes. I understand that it is necessary at times, and I despise it, but I also understand that I don't have the right to impose my personal views on the whole of society.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><em>Edit: It's a topic very similar to war, which is 100% against my beliefs and morals, and yet I am forced to pay for it with my taxes.</em></p> | |
| <p>This can't be overemphasized. Rep. Issa, where is my "right of conscience?"</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I want freedom <strong>of</strong> religion and freedom <strong>from</strong> religion.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I want equal rights to healthcare regardless of the employer I wind up working for.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>It's a topic very similar to war, which is 100% against my beliefs and morals, and yet I am forced to pay for it with my taxes.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Agreed</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Were there no female religious leaders you could have called? What about religious leaders who disagree that they have a First Amendment right to make moral decisions for their employees? Can it really be considered a proper hearing if the outcome is predetermined by only allowing witnesses who agree with the person calling the hearing?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>[------/]</p> | |
| <p>I know Allison Garrett, as well as many of her coworkers, and I can testify that the institution she works for is extremely biased against women's equality in the workplace or home. They have a deep-seated belief that women should be subservient to men, should not hold positions of leadership over men in matters of faith, and they promote very few women to positions of importance, and then only with a "litmus test" of their faith and willingness to toe the line. They are also beholden to a cadre of large donors who demand adherence to intolerance as a condition of their support. </p> | |
| <p>Forgive me if I'm not impressed by your inclusion of her as a female witness. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Can't be said enough. As long as health benefits are tied to the workplace, and come <em>as part of an employee's compensation package for her work</em> those benefits should include the option to take birth control. If it goes against her religion? She doesn't have to take it. THAT's religious freedom. Not your employers deciding what health care you should have access too, especially in a time when it is extremely hard to switch jobs.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Came here to say the same thing. Both "Doctors" are associated with Christian Colleges.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>But if religious institutions are allowed to deny healthcare alternatives based solely on moral grounds, wouldn't that open the door for them or any other employer to deny any sort of healthcare they want? </p> | |
| <p>Couldn't I just as easily say that I only believe in the healing power of prayer and deny all health coverage to my employees? </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I've been asking a lot of these guys this question, and none of them answer it.</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>I'm an atheist employer. Can I take coverage for AA off my employees' healthcare because it's religious?</p> | |
| <p>I'm a Muslim employer. Can I pay my women employees less and make them wear burkas? </p> | |
| <p>I'm a Mormon employer. Can I not pay at all since, you know, the plates in the hat said disease is due to sin?</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You'll never get an answer from Issa on this question. This is an election year, both for himself and his party. I don't know what he thinks he can accomplish here. It's just marketing.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sir, are you not aware that birth control/contraception serves not only to prevent pregnancy but also has a non sexual medical application. Contraception also treats ovarian cysts, lack of periods, menstrual cramps, etc. <a href="http://www.youngwomenshealth.org/med-uses-ocp.html">Here</a> is a list of medical uses of birth control. By denying birth control you are effectively blocking a woman's access to health care. In light of that information, would you not find it to be disingenous then that many on the right has framed this debate as women wanting the federal government to pay them to have sex?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>But Congressman, there are 10 amendments in the Bill of Rights, 27 amendments to the Constitution overall. Are you saying that legally some are "more important," and therefore, trump others? Like the First Amendment would trump the Fourth Amendment? </p> | |
| <p>It's an interesting perspective, as there is no such basis for such an assumption under Constitutional jurisprudence.</p> | |
| <p>You cannot try to force your beliefs by lessening the Constitutional protections that conflict with your agenda. That someone sworn to uphold the Constitution would try to bend and mold it to suit his means, and then spread misinformation like the type above to people who might not realize that the 14th Amendment is just as important and comes "first" just as much at the First is unconscionable. No one amendment to the Constitution comes "first" above any other Amendment, Congressman, and shame on you for implying that it is so. </p> | |
| <p>Our constitutional rights, and <strong>all of our constitutional rights</strong> come first before any law or mandate, and those include even the ones you apparently do not like.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why do beliefs that involve a deity get preference over those that don't? </p> | |
| <p>Why do religious organizations and their employees get tax preferences from the government, and special treatment by the courts in terms of rights and restrictions, but scientific organizations, for example, don't. (For the record I don't believe either, or any other group, should get this special treatment, I'm just making my point)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Your first amendment rights, your second amendment right to bear arms, your fifth amendment rights come first - before any law or mandate. </p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>"<a href="http://thehill.com/homenews/house/211329-picture-tells-1000-words-say-birth-control-backers#.Tz3iT-10tds.twitter">The first committee panel consisted entirely of male religious figures opposed to the contraception policy</a>"</p> | |
| <p>The existence of the quoted rights above withstanding, do you not find it bizarre that the first and primary panel of your hearing featured <strong>five men</strong> and <strong>no women</strong>? Did you really think that there would be no outrage due to your blocking of female representation? </p> | |
| <p>Dr. Allison Garrett and Dr. Laura Champion were featured on the 2nd panel- and they were people that explicitly agreed with your theme of religious freedom on a matter that was about <em>contraception</em>. </p> | |
| <p>Conflating universal access to birth control with "religious" objections is a political maneuver anyone with a brain can see through. </p> | |
| <p>Would you prefer it that someone had an abortion because they could not get access to birth control? </p> | |
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| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>He would prefer the highly realistic option that people who cannot access birth control just shouldn't have sex \xE0\xB2\xA0_\xE0\xB2\xA0</p>\n\ | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Appreciate the perspective on behalf of religious institutions - but how do you believe we can move forward if one side calls it a War on Women and the other side (yours) calls it Obama's War on Religion? The hearing was on the implications on first amendment religious liberties, yes, so when is the hearing regarding the effects on women? This opens the door to larger issues, of course, regarding religion in the public square. </p> | |
| <p>But to my view, the Dems pretend religious precepts are not the issue, and the Reps pretend "it's not about contraception." Do you realize most people appreciate that it's about both?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You skipped the 4th. ...and a few others.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Considering your sudden concern for 1st amendment religious liberty protections, would you consider a hearing on legalizing Peyote for Native Americans who use it in their ceremonies? How about a hearing on legalizing polygamy for Mormons? If not, can you please explain how a rule mandating that employers may have to provide employees the opportunity to engage in an activity that the employer disagrees with is more infringing on religious liberty than illegalizing something that is central to their faith? </p> | |
| <p>Edit: If you do respond to this please respond to the point about Mormonism. It has been pointed out to me that I was incorrect in regards to Peyote. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Peyote <em>is</em> legal for Indian churches.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Does this mean that you feel the religious freedom rights of a religious-based institution should trump the religious rights of the individual? Especially in a religion such as Catholicism, where there is great diversity of belief even within the group?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I read a few weeks ago in The Economist that if the US spent the same % of GDP on healthcare as the UK (public + private) it would have produced a savings of $1.05t, and they have a a higher life expectancy and lower infant mortality than we do. Why not take a page out of their playbook to save money and cut the deficit?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why didn't you blow the whistle on Congressional insider trading? Did you participate in the insider trading?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The answer to your second question is public record.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It may be on the public record, but it needed to be on the reddit record.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What is your comment on the American Family Voices complaint failed against you with the Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE) for using your public position to advance your private financial interests? <a href="http://www.americanfamilyvoices.org/page/-/Signed%20Issa%20Letter.pdf">PDF Letter</a></p> | |
| <p>Do you find it ironic that the Chair of the Committee on Oversight and Government Reform has been accused of using his position for personal gain?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What's your position on Wikileaks?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why the hell do people ask these questions, then downvote his response?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Because people don't give a shit about reddiquette, unfortunately.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You have sponsored the Health Care Incentive Act (HR 42 IH), which would allow employers to credit health care benefits toward the minimum wage of employees. As it is worded, this would allow employers to pay employees as little as $5.15 an hour if they are receiving health benefits (the value of these creditable benefits has not been determined).</p> | |
| <p>While this would be a boon to some employers, as they essentially would be able to get away with paying their employees less, do you think this tradeoff is in the best interest of the middle class? Do you honestly believe that a worker in 2012 (let alone a parent with a child or a household with a dependant) could survive on $5.15 an hour?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Former staffer and current fed JD. I'd give up the security of a GS job to be back in the House any day. I'm of the opposite political persuasion but respect the work that you do. Thank you for your service.</p> | |
| <p>A leaner more effective government requires managers with more tech skills, even basic tech skills. Honestly some of our senior folks could use some basic tech training...MS Word level basic training. That alone could reduce the amount of time it takes memos to be written and move up the chain.</p> | |
| <p>But the pay freeze and the assault on federal workers. Let me be very specific with you. As an attorney for the feds I make about 1/3rd of what private attorneys here in DC make. My pay's been frozen for two years and your party is proposing a third. My rent has gone from $1192 to $1475 over that time, our health insurance premiums have gone up, our transportation benefit has decreased. We've had more than a freeze, we're losing money and it's harder and harder for us to afford living in DC. Over half my monthly income goes to rent and student loans. Will you consider supporting or even raising the proposed COLA for federal employees?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Do you make it a habit of <a href="http://www.republicreport.org/2012/issa-heartland-institute/">dismissing people as "operative[s] for the Democratic Party"</a> when they ask you a question about investigating possible institutional malfeasance on the important issue of climate change or was that just an unfortunate isolated incident?</p> | |
| <p>In what way is mentioning that Koch Industries contributes to the Heartland Institute "crossing the line"?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Please answer this.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As you sit on the Subcommittee on Intellectual Property, Competition, and the Internet, perhaps you could explain why can't I legally make digital copies of DVDs for my personal use? Are you working to change this?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You can in fact make personal copies for your own use. A good example would be ripping a DVD so you can play it on your iPad. That use is not prohibited. The MPAA always takes the view that your rights are limited, but for non-commercial use, making a digital copy like you suggest is a-okay. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I appreciate your answer. </p> | |
| <p>I should have been more specific though. The problem is that consumers can't duplicate DVDs without software tools that get around the copy protection on those disks. My understanding it is those tools that Congress outlawed. Or am I misinformed? I'd love to hear that is the case.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You are correct loondawg, it is not illegal to copy the DVD, but it is illegal to break the DRM. We recently filed a petition with the Copyright office to correct this. <a href="http://publicknowledge.org/blog/help-make-it-legal-rip-your-dvds">http://publicknowledge.org/blog/help-make-it-legal-rip-your-dvds</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You guys, btw, rock pretty hard. Don't suppose you're hiring inexperienced soon-to-be-lawyers desperate for work? Eh? I know I make a tempting offer.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thanks! Actually we are actually currently interviewing for legal internships (unpaid) plus one paid fellowship. We're also looking for a new graphic designer for our website: <a href="http://publicknowledge.org/about/jobs">http://publicknowledge.org/about/jobs</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is sort of a dodge by Congressman Issa. While it's true that a copy like that for your personal use is protected by Fair Use under American copyright law, circumvention of DRM encryption schemes is illegal under the DMCA. And the <a href="http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Universal_City_Studios_v._Corley#Fair_Use">DMCA has no Fair Use exception</a>.</p> | |
| <p>So yes, you can make copies, just as long as there was no DRM on it. I'm an IP attorney, and this has always made no sense to me.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He should have known this. Either his response is dishonest, or his claim to be a techie was.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Tell that to the companies who put DRMs on there and now are charging you to return a dvd and they give you a file. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How can this be the case if the only tools to do so are illegal?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>With the recent scandal of congressman taking discounted mortgages you referred to the act as "Bribery" when it was only Democrats. Then when it was discovered Republicans were also partaking you claimed "I never said attempt to bribe. What I said was Angelo Mozilo and Countrywide attempted to influence government at all levels. An important detail." I was just curious why you changed your story? Being a "tech savvy" guy you should know the Internet never forgets. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What do you believe is a valid way to both prevent piracy but not over-reach government control into private life, especially with many piracy sites being hosted overseas?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The OPEN Act. We developed it with your help at KeepTheWebOPEN.com for this very reason. Any solution needs to be inclusive of everyone involved or impacted - content producers, copyright holders, individual Internet users, digital job creators, etc. etc. I think the OPEN Act is a good balance of increasing protections for our inventors and artists without giving government new, invasive and Internet-destabilizing powers. Check it out...would love your input and feedback.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I will check it out, and thank you for your response!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>To be completely honest, I have no clue what half of the words in that act even means. This is not an effective way to "solve" the issue as it only invites people with knowledge in law to participate. </p> | |
| <p>Also, how is it that America can decide the future of the internet for the ENTIRE world? Is it really right that one country can decide the fate of others? Wouldn't it be better to keep such issues in a World-Government such as the United Nations (maybe a bit out of their purpose, but you get my point). </p> | |
| <p>I am genuinely scared for the future of the internet when you have people like Santorum who can potentially alter the internet for the rest of the world. This also include the general right-wing of the US as they tend to back the big industries who are pushing these acts.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What do you think about Christian evangelicals getting involved in politics, and driving the GOP to the extreme right?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><ol> | |
| <li><p>Are you doing anything about student loans and their effect on rising tuition costs? Will you support reinstating bankruptcy protection for student loans, like almost every other type of loan in this country?</p></li> | |
| <li><p>What are your feelings about the Tea Party taking over your party? Do you really believe in trickle down economics? That capital gains taxes should be at such a lower rate than equitable income taxe rates? Do you really think austerity is needed when so many people are out of work and the economy is so anemic? </p></li> | |
| <li><p>What do you believe is the best course of action in regards to Iran?</p></li> | |
| <li><p>What are you feelings about The New Yorker hit piece on your background, personal history? *I guess he didn't like the gist of a few of my questions. The article cited is <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/01/24/110124fa_fact_lizza">here</a>. Pretty interesting reading.</p></li> | |
| <li><p>You are one of the wealthiest members of Congress...what are your feelings about the mix of money and politics. You garnered a tremendous amount of your wealth since being in government. Do you really feel that money equals free speech? There are many exceptions to the 1st Amendment...why not money and our political system?</p></li> | |
| </ol> | |
| <p>(Enjoy your appearances on Bill Maher.)</p> | |
| <p>Sorry for the smorgasborg.....if I knew you were doing this I would have had my questions better organized.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Is the war on drugs worth the cost? Is it working?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>O'er the RAMPARTs we watched...</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sadly, this is exactly what this AMA is turning into. He's not answering any tough questions honestly, and the ones he does give detailed answers to seem like softballs, probably from his interns.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You act like you've never heard of politics.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You voted NO on prohibiting job discrimination based on sexual orientation.</p> | |
| <p>You voted YES on Constitutionally defining marriage as one-man-one-woman.</p> | |
| <p>You voted YES on Constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage.</p> | |
| <p>You have been rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights stance.</p> | |
| <p><strong>Why are you against gay rights? Can you explain the above record? How is this not infringing on people's unalienable rights?</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><blockquote>\n\ | |
| <p>I\xE2\x80\x99m deeply concerned about the loss of any and all of our liberties</p>\n\ | |
| </blockquote>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Apparently if you are gay, the Congressman doesn't consider getting married to be part of "any and all civil liberties".</p>\n\ | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's not a civil liberty, it's a civil right. One might extrapolate that the Congressman doesn't support the Civil Rights Act either. The reasoning against gay rights now is the same as the reasoning against black rights then.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I have a bone to pick with a staff member of yours that works in the veteran affairs sect of your office. He was originally aiding me in my attempts to re enlist in the USMC and has later since stopped responding to me or updating me as to what the status of my paperwork the Naval Dischsrge Reveiw Board is. He had originally appeared extremely competent and willing to help and now has done nothing. I ask of you to look into this matter as I had originally requested the aid of yourself as a congressman to help me pursue my ventures of re enlisting and got passed of to a affairs employee. The Corps wa and still remains a huge factor in my life but due to some non sense written in my dd-214 I am unable to re enlist. All I needed was for the review board to reveiw an change my type of dischare to allow my the ability to simply just re enlist. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why did you vote against the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Employment_Nondiscrimination_Act">Employment Nondiscrimination Act</a>? For clarification, the ENDA would prohibit employers from discriminating based on sexual orientation.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Steve Yegge of Google <a href="https://plus.google.com/112678702228711889851/posts/eVeouesvaVX">accidentally posted a rant about how Google needed to move to a service oriented architecture</a>, that ensured that Google's services could be repurposed/remixed and scaled w/o serious human invention, the way that Amazon.com's self-service platforms function.</p> | |
| <p>The question i ask myself on a regular basis (as i am an Open Data and transparency geek) is why government (aside from the CIA) have not moved to make a similar adaptation.</p> | |
| <p>How can Congress help push for such an shift? I want a platform/service oriented government, that will allow me to query for data relevant to my life as a citizen.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Did you see the potential for a conflict of interest when you opposed a Federal investigation of Goldman Sachs when you have millions of dollars worth of Goldman stock, and continued to purchase Goldman high yield bonds?</p> | |
| <p>Or did you see the potential for a conflict of interest when you hired a former Goldman Sachs executive and lobbyist on your oversight staff?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How do you secure earmarks for projects that benefit you personally and not see that as a massive conflict of interest? Any chance of your committee investigating you?</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/us/politics/15issa.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all">http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/us/politics/15issa.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I would like you to answer this one please.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>My question is in regards to retirement and healthcare benefits of active duty military. I have been active duty Air Force for almost 11 years now. I completely understand the need to cut back in spending with the national debt rising higher and higher. I completely get that. What I don't get, is how we're so quick to consider cutting healthcare and retirement benefits of active duty miltary, when there are SO MANY other ways to cut spending. Here's a paragraph from an article I recently read as well as the link to it. <a href=\"http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2012/March/Pages/TheComingDecadeASlowdownInSpending,butNo%E2%80%98ProcurementHoliday%E2%80%99.aspx\">http://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/archive/2012/March/Pages/TheComingDecadeASlowdownInSpending,butNo%E2%80%98ProcurementHoliday%E2%80%99.aspx</a> </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>" Personnel expenses make up one-third of the Pentagon\xE2\x80\x99s budget, but account for just one-ninth of the proposed reductions, said Harrison. Payroll and benefits costs have been on a steady climb of 4.2 percent annually for more than a decade, and will put pressure on other areas of the budget, he said. If funding remains flat and no cuts are made to compensation, healthcare or retirement benefits, by 2039, personnel costs will consume the entire defense budget." </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>So like I said, I understand the need to cut spending, but I don't understand why it has to be healthcare and retirement benefits. You say you're in charge of rooting out fraud, waste, and abuse. There is so much waste that goes on that I've seen day-to-day with my job, that it makes me sick.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>So like I said, I understand the need to cut. Trust me, I do. However, it seems like there are far better ways to cut spending other than the healthcare and retirement benefits from our active duty military. </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Why are we so quick to cut those benefits from retired and active duty? Can you possibly think of better ways to cut spending? For example, the pay to congress and president for life? </p>\n\ | |
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| <div class="md"><p>1.) Why do you feel that an indirect infringement of 1st amendment rights (religious liberty to not even indirectly fund birth control) trumps the patient's doctor-patient privilege about why they are taking a specific medicine? And why is the religious liberty more important than the large percentage of woman taking birth control for non-contraceptive reasons (to treat other, often debilitating, conditions)?</p> | |
| <p>It's not just that I disagree with you, I simply have never heard any argument that explains <strong>why</strong> this indirect religious liberty should trump women's health issues that often have nothing to do with contraception.</p> | |
| <p>2.) Rather than approaching piracy from a pure enforcement standpoint, has Congress considered approaching it from a service standpoint as well? For example, work with the motion picture and recording industries to promote better services to limit piracy (a la iTunes and Steam)?</p> | |
| <p>3.) From talking to people who would like to be entrepreneurs but can't, the 4 biggest obstacles seem to be regulations (real or imagined - I think people sometimes get scared by the fringe cases), health care, student loans, and funding. How could Congress help would-be entrepreneurs overcome these obstacles? </p> | |
| <p>BTW: I'm one of these.</p> | |
| <p>Edit: BTW, thank you very much for your work against SOPA and PIPA. It's good to have folks in Congress who understands these issues well.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why do you continue to support the subjugation of women by attacking their health rights to contraception and safe legal abortion?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What is your stance on Full Body Scanners and the invasive practices of the TSA in the name of security? </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This shouldn't need asking, but .....</p> | |
| <p>There is a conspiracy theory that all politicians and all world leaders are secretly lizard-people from outer space who disguise themselves as humans. Yes. I know. Its a crackpot theory, but what else would you expect from conspiracy theory?</p> | |
| <p>The thing is, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK8Y2nO_8TM">Donald Rumsfeld was once asked in an interview if he was one of the lizard people</a> and he refused to answer the question. Likewise, 6 months ago here on reddit, <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/k2oel/im_robert_reich_former_secretary_of_labor_author/c2h2fhm">Robert Reich was asked if he was one of the lizard people</a> and he also avoided giving a direct answer.</p> | |
| <p>Can you put the conspiracy theories to rest once and for all? Can you clearly and unambiguously state for the record that you are not one of the lizard people from outer space?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TO THE TOP!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thanks for doing this. Can you explain to us why so many publishing companies are trying to limit our freedoms on the internet? Is there a continued effort to pass internet limiting laws even though SOPA and PIPA were defeated?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>Publishers and all intellectual property owners will always take the most strident position, in an attempt to maximize their return on their investment. The Internet will always have those who will seek less restrictions on intellectual property, regardless for the need for a return on the investment of the IP creator. I fought to defeat SOPA and PIPA because they were bad pieces of legislation and went too far in harming the Internet, and we\xE2\x80\x99ll continue to work against ACTA and to find the right balance that favors the Internet and the growth of innovation as a free zone for free people. </p>\n\ | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"Intellectual property" is not really property, but a monopoly that acts as a limitation on the public's property rights (and on the internet, also speech and privacy rights). What are your thoughts on that? </p> | |
| <p>Why is there a need for <em>more government regulations</em> to ensure that IP holders see a return on their investments? Do you not agree that the legacy publishers and new internet distributors should fight it out in a free market? Surely that would be our best bet for growth and innovation - there's a good reason why the Constitution allows Congress to scale back/repeal copyright monopolies.</p> | |
| <p>Could you suggest a few ways we, as concerned citizens, could press Congress to stop expanding copyright regulations and bring them back to rational levels (ie stop asking for censorship and surveillance, return copyright to a sensible duration etc)? How can we stop treaties like ACTA and the even worse TPPA from being written in the dark?</p> | |
| <p>Thanks for answering our questions!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>"Intellectual property" is not really property </p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>This is the universal position taken by people who don't own any intellectual property.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm an IP holder, but it's not my source of income. Why not? Because I don't think business models based on IP are sustainable.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not unless you're a lawyer.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I dont think you understand why IP exists. IP is a framework to provide monetary incentives for R&D. To guarantee the research company exclusive rights to profit on what they have developed. You could argue that the length of time of patents is way off, but why should the public have immediate claim to something that wasn't publicly developed.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There is a wide latitude between <em>exclusive</em> patent rights and <em>no</em> patent rights. Right now, exclusive patent rights are simply a tool for the transnational corporate oligarchy to suppress new innovations (because practically no new product can be created without using existing patents, regardless of the new patents in the product) until they have a use for them in their marketing plans.</p> | |
| <p>Transnationals do R&D poorly at best. Innovation is usually bought. If a new business uses or depends on IP, they must have a patron and a buyout plan or they simply cannot enter the market at all.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What a strange AMA. </p> | |
| <p>I'm from Canada, so it blows my mind that this Congressman comes to an open forum where his constituents ask him questions and he doesn't answer the most important ones. </p> | |
| <p>Nor does he answer ones about his past career.</p> | |
| <p>Nor does he answer fraud allegations or personal insider trading allegations.</p> | |
| <p>Nor does he answer his denial of gay rights.</p> | |
| <p>This is just weird. Why do an AMA if you're just going to funnel your personal vision under the guise of Reddit? This is not what this community is about.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why did you vote yes on H.R. 347, the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011? This would make it a felony to disrupt or protest at any place or event attended by any person with secret service protection.</p> | |
| <p>This is a violation of our First Amendment right, and people should be more outraged at the passage of this bill.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Could you please explain why you support the<a href="http://www.aip.org/fyi/2012/031.html"> GRANT act</a>, which would kill American science. Further I would like to know how you justify supporting the Research Works bill, which would kill open access to federally funded research, by outlawing sites like PubMed and Arxiv.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why have you so far refused to to investigate Rupert Murdoch and the NewsCorp scandal? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why are you such a staunch defender of Goldman Sachs (in light of everything that's come about vis-a-vis their role in the financial crisis)?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not sure where you're getting your info, but if you've followed by work for taxpayers in Congress, you'd know that I led the charge against TARP bailouts and helped uncover the backdoor bailout of Goldman Sachs, which gave unnecessary bailouts to AIG and other big financial companies. I defend taxpayers against waste/fraud/abuse of their hard-earned tax dollars, whether Goldman got your $ or another business. Period.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>When will you hold the hearing you cancelled on the Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission findings?</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OEULFO1.htm">http://www.businessweek.com/ap/financialnews/D9OEULFO1.htm</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Also in light of them pissing off the UK metals trade industry, <a href="http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/29/us-lme-warehousing-idUSTRE76R3YZ20110729">http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/07/29/us-lme-warehousing-idUSTRE76R3YZ20110729</a> And keeping gasoline prices artificially high. <a href="http://motherjones.com/environment/2011/09/oil-speculators-goldman-sachs">http://motherjones.com/environment/2011/09/oil-speculators-goldman-sachs</a> would love to have an answer to this...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0312/73557.html">refused to specifically condemn Rush Limbaugh</a> for calling Sandra Fluke a slut on the grounds that unspecified people on the left have denigrated religious people.</p> | |
| <p>I couldn't find a copy of your letter. What attacks on religious people are you talking about, exactly? Who on the left (of prominence anywhere close to Rush Limbaugh) has insulted a person for their religious faith in response to this hearing?</p> | |
| <p>And how, exactly, does this theoretically-equivalent persecution of Christianity prevent you from condemning Rush Limbaugh?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Even if that were true, the two examples are not equivalent. The Sandra Fluke controversy is about far more than mere denigration -- and given the institutionalized privileges that many religious organizations have, I am sure they can survive this alleged criticism. Rush was attacking an individual, far more vulnerable and representing an issue that has been poorly addressed by our government, unlike the various religious considerations that the GOP will bend over backwards to accommodate.</p> | |
| <p>I suppose it makes sense that the congressman would endorse Romney, given that he has been similarly evasive on the Limbaugh issue and outright refused to issue any condemnation whatsoever.</p> | |
| <p>I commend the congressman for his stances on SOPA and stem cell research, but he's been with the party line 94.7% of the time. It is unlikely that he will deviate from the GOP position on religious issues, so don't expect anything more substantial than talking points about Sandra Fluke and their laughingstock of a "religious freedom" hearing.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How do you feel about how low the American approval rating is for our congress and what would you do to try and improve it?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Where did you get the money for your initial investment in Quantum, Inc.?</p> | |
| <p>Why did you remove computers, paperwork from your Steal Stopper warehouse and raise your insurance coverage on that warehouse right before it burned down?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Who actually writes the 'bad' and 'poorly written' bills you've mentioned in various replies? You pointed out that a bill you yourself sponsored was 'poorly written', to use your verbiage. Who authored it? It seems to me that legislation that comes under heavy fire and is thusly withdrawn, is usually written to heavily favor one group at the expense of another. Can you shed some light on this process?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why do Republicans hate Federal Employees so much? Frozen pay and benefits, line items in bills requiring a reduction in the federal workforce. </p> | |
| <p>I've been with the Defense Department for 15 years, and have deployed to combat zones along side my brothers/sisters in uniform. (Speaking for myself), when Republicans praise DoD, but then lambaste Federal Workers I feel like you are talking out of both sides of your mouth.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If Rep. Issa won't answer you, at least I can provide some support for your argument: <a href="http://politicalcorrection.org/factcheck/201106270010">http://politicalcorrection.org/factcheck/201106270010</a></p> | |
| <p>In 2011, Republicans in Congress introduced legislation that would have fired or eliminated jobs for up to 732,600 Federal Employees. The bills were: | |
| H.R. 2114 - Reducing The Size of the Federal Government Through Attrition Act of 2011 | |
| H.R. 1745 - Jobs, Opportunity, Benefits, and Services Act of 2011 | |
| H.R. 25 - Fair Tax Act Of 2011 | |
| H.R. 1094 - Federal Reserve Board Abolition Act</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Chairman Issa is NOT an anti-corporate hero. Why won't he investigate the Heartland Institute's Pay For Play Operation?! Republic Report asked him and he deflected: <a href="http://www.republicreport.org/2012/issa-heartland-institute/">http://www.republicreport.org/2012/issa-heartland-institute/</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Mr. Chairman, | |
| Are you aware that the Oversight committee has a policy of only accepting interns who are currently enrolled as students and not recent graduates? I know many recent graduates who are struggling in this economy. They're trying to work as interns on the Hill to make contacts and gain valuable experience. The House Oversight Committee is essentially punishing them because they've graduated! As Chairman of the Committee you have the power to change this policy and make it fair to all, will you?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Android or iOS? | |
| Also, in your mind, what keeps your peers in Congress so ignorant about the internet/technology? Shouldn't they have to keep up if they are going to pass laws regarding tech? What do you think is the best way to educate them?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I have both. My first Androids - HTC on Verizon and Asus pad with keyboard - showed me the potential of Android and its open OS. I full expect it to pass Apple on a software basis in the near future. It comes down to standards, though. Android's failure to have a widely used standard hurts it in my book, because Android developers/manufacturers not being on the same platform limits the OS' true potential. For now, my iPad is my go-to mobile device and I don't see that changing anytime soon.</p> | |
| <p>Why are many of my colleagues tech illiterate? First, they don't do I Am A's. But seriously, few people in Congress have private-sector tech experience like my friends Blake Farenthold & Jared Polis. They never got their hands dirty innovating and even really personally using technology. But there are, in fact, members who didn't work in tech pre-Congress (Jason Chaffetz and Zoe Lofgren come to mind) who do get it, championing policies that support tech/innovation...particularly protecting the Internet.</p> | |
| <p>As far as educating Congress, what you all dropped on Congress on January 18 was incredibly edifying for them, forcing them to take a hard look at what they know, think they know and don't know about tech. Keeping up the heat, and getting involved in open government projects like we're doing crowdsourcing legislation at KeepTheWebOPEN.com, is your best bet.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://sunlightfoundation.com/projects/congress-for-android/">Have you used Congress for Android?</a> If yes, what do you think about it? If no, you should check it out! (I work for the np that made it).</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thank you! As a politics junkie, this has become one of my favorite apps.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Awesome! Happy to hear this</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hell, I wasn't talking about professional experience, just general ignorance. I feel like if my ~80 year old grandparents can maintain their own computer and figure out how the internet works then it shouldn't be that big of a deal for people younger than them. That being said, it really takes someone who can understand the nuances of how tech/the Internet works to be able to have any sort of meaningful debate on issues like piracy.</p> | |
| <p>How do you feel about regulation/openness of more traditional media? Tim Wu has <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/12/books/review/Leonhardt-t.html">an interesting book</a> about how radio and TV used to be considered revolutionary in their open spread of information but soon became monopolized, stifling innovation and competition. (Engineers at Bell had a working answering machine as early as 1935, but kept the tech under wraps for decades because they thought it could take away business and compete too well.) How should we balance the efficiency of "benevolent monopolies" like we have with ISPs and phone companies with the need for the evolution of technology and free information?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The first non-hostile, genuinely curious post. The tone in here would be so different if there were a D after his name instead of an R.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What do you think of the current GOP primary? Do you support any specific candidate?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What is your stance regarding Anonymous?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Will you continue to be a redditor after completing your AMA?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So far the experience has been good. I hope to be able to do another one of these in the future. Be sure to tell your friends to join the next one.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>be sure to tell YOUR friends to join the next one. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>By the look of some of the questions he's answering, he's got plenty of friends in this one.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thanks for having the courage to accept tough questions in an unmoderated forum like this. It speaks well to your character, even if the majority of Reddit doesn't see eye-to-eye with some of your policies.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Would have been nice of him to answer a few of the aforementioned 'tough questions' though.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Accept but not answer</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>Rep. Issa - Clean Energy loan programs, for or against?</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>House Oversight Committee chair Rep. Darrell Issa\xE2\x80\x99s (R-CA) investigation of clean energy loan programs was undercut this week by a revelation, first reported by Bloomberg, that he had also requested money from the same program for companies in his district. A follow-up story by ThinkProgress found that an investor to the firm Issa had asked to subsidize had donated several times to Issa, including a check just shortly before Issa sent his letter to Secretary Chu. </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p><a href=\"http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/09/23/327733/landieu-darrell-issa/\">http://thinkprogress.org/green/2011/09/23/327733/landieu-darrell-issa/</a></p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As a young man, involved in shady auto title transactions.</p> | |
| <p>As a somewhat less young man, gets very rich in the car alarm industry.</p> | |
| <p>Sweet irony.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Market research.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm a true blue independent. I truly wish you would use the power of your chairmanship to actually be our watch dog to "root out waste, fraud, abuse and mismanagement in the federal bureaucracy and make government leaner and more effective..." rather than the political and partisan attempts to simply embarrass the president and democrats. </p> | |
| <p>You could do so much good for our country. I recognize you do do some good. Ideology is a useful as a framework, but it is damaging if it is a confining prism through which one sees the world. No ideology is objective, perfect or all encompassing. Compromise is not a dirty word, it is what moves the country forward. </p> | |
| <p>To be honest, I find it hard to take you seriously, along with most of the democrats and republicans in the house and the senate. Two sides of the same coin. You should realize that the majority of us are tired of the political gamesmanship that goes on in Washington. We see through it, all of it. </p> | |
| <p>Can you rise above the political romper room and become a political adult? The nation is weary, we need men and women of courage, not ideologically blind partisans looking for their next political win. Do you think you can muster the courage and love of country to actually forget the partisanship and work in an even handed manner for our benefit? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why has nobody been held accountable for Operation Fast & Furious, where the DOJ sent thousands of military rifles to cartels in Mexico to demonize the 2nd Amendment?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thanks for asking about this incredibly important national issue. We're holding Justice & AG Holder accountable for this felony-stupid government mistake. The bad judgement calls and coverups we've exposed so far are simply not what Americans deserve and this government is supposed to do to protect its citizens. Murdered Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry's family have a right to accountability and answers from Holder and the Obama Administration...we are not going to stop until Americans get the whole truth.</p> | |
| <p>We have built a dedicated microsite to our investigation...you can get up to speed here: <a href="http://issues.oversight.house.gov/fastandfurious/">http://issues.oversight.house.gov/fastandfurious/</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sorry, but I get a sense of partisan politics at play with this "Operation Fast & Furious" issue. Considering that you voted 94.7% with the GOP, the same GOP that would not condemn the Bush administration for outing Valerie Plame (for example..there are many), my perception of you is "party before country". This undermines any credibility you could have with accusations against the Obama administration. This is a shame because no administration is perfect. And we need honest, independent politicians to keep our Presidents in line.</p> | |
| <p>On a more positive note, I do agree with your efforts behind the Open Act. So for that, thank you and thank you again for doing this AMA. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why didn't you hold George Bush and Dick Cheney accountable for their much worse crimes?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thank you for your time, Congressman. A few questions:</p> | |
| <ol> | |
| <li><p>Beyond ACTA, what is the next greatest legislative/governmental threat to the open Internet that we, the people, should be concerned about? And what can we do to help prevent legislation like SOPA/PIPA from gaining such traction in the future?</p></li> | |
| <li><p>What kind of motorcycle do you ride? And do you abide by the 'all the gear, all the time' motto?</p></li> | |
| </ol> | |
| <p>Again, thank you for your time, and for your answers.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><ol> | |
| <li> The proponents of SOPA/PIPA/ACTA have not quit. They're only reloading, and working behind-closed-doors to achieve similar policies in Congress and with the Obama Administration. Internet advocates need to be ever-vigilant for policies that impact individual freedom and the way the Internet we know and love - and all the great things that work off of it - works today. </li> | |
| <li> I ride a BMW 1200 RT. And yes, I do wear most of the gear all the time. Helmet, jacket, gloves, boots. I must admit, jeans are often my legwear. I'm new school with my bikes...lots of manufactured materials, gave up the leather for warmer/more breathable/survivable materials and clothing.</li> | |
| </ol> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Pussiest IAmA I've ever seen, if you won't answer our questions, don't waste our time.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Darrell,</p> | |
| <p>I'm really really interested in getting involved in politics. I'm sick of arm-chair commenting and want to get my hands dirty. We need people to take action and bring this government under control. What is the best way for someone to do this without a ton of money or experience? Start on a city council somewhere and work your way up?</p> | |
| <p>Thanks! | |
| A concerned citizen.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>Thanks for doing this, and actually answering some questions directly! </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>About H.R. 2309, your Postal Service reform: Instead of closing thousands of post offices, shutter hundreds of mail processing facilities, ending Saturday mail delivery, and eliminating workers\xE2\x80\x99 collective bargaining rights, why don't we simply correct the current requirement to pre-fund the healthcare benefits of future retirees, forcing the USPS to fund a 75-year liability in a period of just 10 years? No other government agency or private company is required to make such payments and is at the heart of what you've called a solvency problem.</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I am actually one of your constituents. I live in Oceanside and drive by your office once a week to go my doctor which is next door. Even though I did not vote for you or agree with your politics, you doing an AMA is beyond appreciated.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What's taking so log with marijuana reform and why aren't you worried about the Bush administrations involvement with Fast & Furious? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Rep. Issa, any response to this 8,000 word New Yorker article that mentions criminal activities you were likely involved in: <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/01/24/110124fa_fact_lizza">http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/01/24/110124fa_fact_lizza</a>.</p> | |
| <p>How does it feel to be a Republican directing your message to younger Americans via Reddit and other outlets? Was George Bush the last stand for a party that has tried to hold together a coalition of fundamentalist Christians and winner take all capitalists for the last 40 years?</p> | |
| <p>Is it hard to find competent young Republican staffers when the vast majority of students at top colleges and universities are Democrats? Do you need to draw on "Bible" colleges like the Bush DOJ?</p> | |
| <p>I'm impressed that you'd show up on Reddit to do an AMA. We are a diverse community with many voices. However, almost none of the voices are in tune with the current Republican party (save some Ron Paul supporters).</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What is the number one thing our representatives don't understand, which if understood, would have the most positive impact on our country?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Do you condone car theft? If not, why did you steal multiple cars in the 70s?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Because everyone is the same person today that they were 40 years ago, right??? ಠ_ಠ</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>True. | |
| <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/06/25/ISSA.TMP">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/06/25/ISSA.TMP</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It was 30+ years ago. He was a kid, and just about all of us do stupid or dubious things when we're kids. Some of us get hurt, some of us get killed, some of us get caught. Some of us get away with it entirely. (In fact: <em>most</em> of us get away with it entirely.) Hopefully, all of us learn from the experience and go on to be better people as a result.</p> | |
| <p>I don't really care what happened all those years ago. I care if he can help run the country NOW. I care if he'll uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against its most significant enemies, which, at the moment, include several government agencies. I care if he'll stand for the rights of minorities, immigrants, women, LBGT, workers. I care if he'll fight the 1%, who are the enemies of the 99%. I care if he'll take risks and fight unwinnable fights. I care if he'll tell lobbyists to go to hell. I care if he'll not just ask for transparency in government, but demand it. I care if he has the courage and the stamina and the principle to go to the wall, if necessary, to defend those who most need defending.</p> | |
| <p>We are in deep shit here. We just pissed away $4T on a stupid war that accomplished nothing, we let financiers melt down the economy, we let bankers destroy the housing market, our educational system is a mess, and the Republican party is running at least one candidate for President of the United States who is full-blown batshit crazy (Santorum). We haven't got the luxury of concerning ourselves with trivia from decades ago; we need to focus on the massive problems right in front of us.</p> | |
| <p>If and when we solve all those, yeah, okay, fine, then we can go back and dredge up stuff from years and years ago and get all concerned about it. | |
| But not now.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nice try office intern.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How do you feel about the general distrust people have for the government? It seems that lately, it's just one thing after the other from indefinite detention to censorship to unauthorized surveillance. The government is doing a damned good job at chipping away at liberty.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hi, glad to see some tech savvy representatives out there. | |
| Do you think there are ways we could use technology to improve our legislative system and the democratic process as a whole? | |
| I've always felt that so much more is possible these days then hundreds of years ago when our representative system was thought up. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>My committee\xE2\x80\x99s responsibility and one of my personal number one issues is to bring genuine open government to the people. With that being said, I recently launched the first-ever Congressional crowdsourced legislative platform called <strong>Madison</strong>. I put Madison up on <a href=\"http://keepthewebopen.com\">KeeptheWebOPEN.com</a> to give all American and Internet users the opportunity to read, comment on and ultimately improve Internet piracy legislation. </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Today, we have SOPA, PIPA, my own bill the OPEN Act, and now the ACTA treaty online for your review. I\xE2\x80\x99m proud to report that last month, I included user-generated improvements to six sections of my OPEN Act. </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>I look forward to advancing the Madison platform in future legislative efforts. </p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Except he's not tech savvy enough to recognize that although it is legal to copy a DVD, there is no legal means by which to bypass the DRM.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why did you allegedly set fire to a manufacturing plant you owned? Is it because weeks prior you quintupled the fire insurance?</p> | |
| <p>And what's with stealing cars? And all that weapons talk?</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://mediamatters.org/research/201101110034">http://mediamatters.org/research/201101110034</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What can you tell us about efforts to repackage SOPA and PIPA as an anti child pornography bill?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I didn't know Woody Harrelson was in Congress now...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Do you think that Two and a Half Men has survived the transition to Ashton Kutcher, or should the show have been killed when Charlie Sheen left?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>Yes it has been a successful transition. Despite of Sheen\xE2\x80\x99s great talent on the set, his life-style off the screen ultimately caught up to him. I look froward to Ashton having a long and equally complex character, because of his fine acting and of course the writing that transcends both stars.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>I liken this to the transition that have occurred from Sean Connery all the way to Daniel Craig. </p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I cannot believe you just compared Two and A Half Men to James Bond. Shame on you, sir.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thank you for your response, and welcome to Reddit!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Love for 2.5 men? that settles it... impeachment. No one with such awful taste in television should be deciding public policy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Guys, he had an acting career for ten years before Star Wars and seven years before American Graffiti. Can we stop posting these urban legends?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>yes, it's more like "worked as a carpenter while getting acting gigs" - which is the story for oh I don't know...every actor/actress ever just about?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Just because he was laying wood, doesn't make him a carpenter.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>All the other ones worked in diners... o.O</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thank you... </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm not sure why you aren't the top post. He had pretty steady career as a TV actor. He was in Gunsmoke twice before American Graffiti came out and a year later he appeared in Kung Fu.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sorry, but just because he had some roles, doesn't mean he wasn't a carpenter. In fact, He helped build the entire wooden live tracking room at the recording studio I work at in Hollywood. It is no Urban legend. It is well known by many that visit the studio. I know for a fact he told the owners himself it is true. Here is a bit of <a href="http://paramountrecording.com/studios/paramount-studio-c/">info</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How could he be discovered by Lucas when he'd already worked with Lucas in American Graffiti?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No one seems to notice he "gave up acting." They assume what that meant was "he never acted."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yep - if you want to go back to closer to the start of his career and getting roles, try Agnes Varda</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="/r/IWishICouldForget">/r/IWishICouldForget</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>needs more stuff like this</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>But Lucas "discovered" him for Star Wars... Even though he was already in a Lucas movie before that! Lucas must have just forgotten one of the antagonists in his first major film </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You are wrong and right. He was defiantly a carpenter, Before/during the beginning of is acting career.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He was a carpenter against all odds! </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>never tell him the odds!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is the best thing I've read all day. This deserves more upvotes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>defiantly a carpenter</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>"<strong>NO</strong>. I AM A CARPENTER."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Defiantly, no less...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How is he wrong? It's like saying Nick Offerman has "given up on acting" to become a carpenter. It's just not true. One does not exclude the other.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://offermanwoodshop.com/index.html">http://offermanwoodshop.com/index.html</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I said he was wrong because his post leaves the impression that he was never a carpenter.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Either way, I suppose the moral of the story is that it's okay to quit? </p> | |
| <p>Reading stuff like this pisses me off, there are tons of people who NEVER quit and grind daily. Why do the quitters get rewarded? I don't mean to be harsh, but if Harrison Ford gave up on acting then he doesn't deserve his success, he was lucky to have fell into success. </p> | |
| <p>I don't appreciate the subtext of the story here.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So, basically you're critizising reality for not being motivational enough?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was under the impression that Lucas brought him in after working with him in American Graffiti?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, wrong movie but otherwise it's correct.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And it wasn't actually Lucas himself, but a casting director friend who got him a role in Lucas's American Graffiti. <a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/harrison-ford#ixzz1oSoYFxh7">Source</a></p> | |
| <p>But other than the movie and the person who gave him the break, IMDB is right on. . . </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It was American Graffiti's Casting Director <strong>Fred Roos</strong> (who Lucas knew through Francis Ford Coppola) that "discovered" Harrison while he was working as a carpenter, and then subsequently cast him as Bob Falfa. </p> | |
| <p>Edit: It's also worth mentioning that Roos played a big part in Ford becoming Solo. Lucas was very adverse to using the same actor on two pictures, but Roos incessantly suggested that Ford would be perfect for the role... going so far as to hire Harrison to renovate Lucas's office during the casting process for Star Wars, just so that he would remain on Lucas's radar.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm gonna need to see some sources. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I didn't see where it says that Lucas discovered him while he was installing cabinets.</p> | |
| <p>It does say in numerous places that Lucas brought Ford in to read with the other actors for Star Wars and didn't want him to play Solo, but changed his mind.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Correct...Ford was not requested for Star Wars, because Lucas wanted all unknown actors for the lead roles, except for the "wise old man" Ben. Ford was very well known for his role in Graffiti and was only brought in to read opposite for the the princess role. He ended up being the best for the role, even though he was never auditioned for it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And Peter Cushing as Grand Moff Tarkin</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You mean he didn't hire a random carpenter for no reason?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TIB (Today I believed) that Harrison Ford had given up on acting to become a carpenter. George Lucas discovered him for the role of Han Solo while Ford was installing his cabinets. </p> | |
| <p>FTFY</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Or from another perspective...</p> | |
| <p>TIL That Harrison Ford had given up on acting to become Jesus but ultimately made more money in acting.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nothing like Jesus money. Try compounded interest on a 2000+ year old account, not forgetting to take into account that it is well known that Jesus saves.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I thought that he brought him along for star wars to read the lines to actors who were auditioning for the role of Solo. At the end of the day turned out HF was better than all others.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is the correct version of events.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Richard Dreyfuss actually <a href="http://imgur.com/Hm0j3">tweeted his firsthand account of this series of events the other day</a>. Really interesting stuff imo.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Actually, Tom Selleck was the first choice for Han Solo, but he had taken the role on Magnum P.I. instead.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Actually, Tom Selleck was considered for Indiana Jones.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You are absolutely correct. I should just stop commenting today, I've been wrong a lot.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Higgins was always fucking shit up.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The calendar is wrong on that, anyway. Star Wars came out in 1977 and Magnum is 1980.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You should delete your account and NEVER COME BACK.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So what you're saying is Harrison Ford gave Lucas wood.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think it would be more accurate to say: </p> | |
| <p>"Harrison Ford installed Lucas' wood."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Harrison Ford nailed George Lucas?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Would need to include "wood" somewhere for full points, I'd think...</p> | |
| <p>But overall 9/10</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I accept your assessment as fair, and just.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>American Graffiti came first though.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Only in the revised version. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The axle broke first. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Indiana broke the Axis, don't you mean?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TIL that there is actually a Harrison Ford fan that didn't know this.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TIL that op is dumb</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hello. I am new to geek. Did you hear about how Harrison Ford was a carpenter?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I bet it took about 8 parsecs to convince Ford to give up carpentry for his future acting career.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A parsec is a unit of distance, Han was just bragging about how he had cut the distance of the Kessel Run by skirting the Maw black hole cluster. The Maw black hole cluster distorts space and time.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Actually, Han was bullshitting to Luke and Obi Wan. Luke falls for it but if you watch Obi Wan's facial expressions he knows Han is trying to brag about something that is most likely not true.</p> | |
| <p>Here is the scene, just watch Obi Wans facial expression after Han states it.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=35cLo7d07Xs#t=195s">http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=35cLo7d07Xs#t=195s</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is all retcon. Lucas fumbled the script.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How is this retcon? This comment is never referenced again in the movies. The problem is no one ever realized this so it was changed to be true despite the original intention of the scene.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>it was changed to be true</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>That's how it is a retcon.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I remember hearing this whole thing when a guy gave an example of: "Success in your career is mostly about meeting the right people at the right time". </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TIL King Kong dies at the end of the movie.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Once he figures out his penis won't fit into Fay Wray, what's the point?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TIL Harrison Ford regularly flies himself via helicopter to his different homes, and used his helicopter to rescue a dehydrated hiker near his ranch in Wyoming. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TIL: this shows up on the front page about once a month.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Too bad George Lucas wasn't alive 2000 years ago, he could have done the same for Jesus and spared us having to live with fundies.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"Piloted his helicopter to rescue dehydrated 20-year-old hiker Sarah George from Table Mountain near his ranch in Jackson Hole, Wyoming."</p> | |
| <p>She has got the most unbelieveable story to tell her freinds- | |
| "Alright so I was on this mountain right? I was dehydrated and about to pass out from the lack of water but all of a sudden fucking Harrison Ford in a helicopter swoops down out of nowhere to rescue me."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't know why, but I'm just happy that Harrison Ford is more famous than George Lucas. Am I A reddit elitist?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>From my, very unresearched, understanding of it; Harrison Ford was one of the main drivers of Lucas' success. I'm basing this on an article I read back when Phantom Menace came out. It was an interview with Mark Hamill and he talked about Harrison on the set. He said that they would look at a scene and Harrison would say to Lucas, "Look I think it'd be better if we do it like this...." or "I don't think that fits the character, how about...". I got the impression that a lot of Star Wars and Indiana Jones were influenced directly by Ford.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He always struck me as being a bit wooden.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You shut your filthy mouth!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Slooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow poke</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>all I saw was "Was originally brought in by George Lucas to feed lines to other actors auditioning for Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope (1977) because he wasn't allowed to audition (Lucas wanted new faces for the film). He eventually won Lucas over and the role of Han Solo went to him." </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TIL that Harrison Ford has no middle name.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The page has a few inconsistencies though. For instance it says that Ford at first was not allowed to audition as Solo because Lucas wanted new faces, then it says that Lucas wanted Christopher Walken as Ian Solo (C.W. had been around for 15 years already)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>He was Indiana Jones first...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There is a music studio in Hollywood that Harrison Ford himself had built, before his acting career took off. I went on a field trip there my senior year in high school, lots of big names have recorded there.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>To sum it up: George Lucas discovered Harrison Ford when he was installing his cabinets, and gave him a role in American Graffiti. He then brought Ford to read with other actors under the auditioning for Star Wars, and later decided to give him the role as Solo</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That fits better with what I've heard.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And -- more importantly -- after checking Ford's filmography:</p> | |
| <p>TIL that Enders Game is filming!!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What, what?!? Goes to look.</p> | |
| <p>edit: Fucking hell... you're right!</p> | |
| <p>edit2: And he's Colonel Graff? SCORE!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I am looking forward to it. I have read Ender's Shadow, but not Ender's Game (a friend said that after he read Ender's Shadow he wondered what the series would be like reading that one first).</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>OH GOD READ ENDERS GAME</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's being made by the X-Men Origins guy, and they are cutting out like 80 percent of the book. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So... you're telling me its a movie? I'm shocked.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So that's why he seems so unabsorbed and confused in all his movies. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Better outcome than Jesus. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>99% chance this story is Hollywood nonsense. Reminds me of the story of how Spielberg got his start. (He sneaked into the studio and set up a fake office until people came to rely on him for projects -- which according to 100 other people is a lie).</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't think anyone has ever sneaked into anywhere.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what you meant by this comment.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"Harrison Ford was a carpenter. As far as I'm concerned Harrison Ford is still is a carpenter. He looks like he's about to fit a joist, as far as I'm concerned...Jesus, also another great carpenter. I don't know if he was a good carpenter, his eye wasn't really on the job from the age of 27 up. He had bigger fish to fry, literally, bigger fish to fry. Um, but, it just shows that woodwork is a good grounding for whatever profession you end up going into."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>that sounds like a Bill Maher quote</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This kind of reminds me how Daniel Day Lewis had quit acting to become a cobbler, or something along those lines.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"Neither of his two most famous roles (Han Solo and Indiana Jones) were offered to him first. Tom Selleck was the first choice to play Indiana Jones and <em>Christopher Walken was the first choice to play Han Solo.</em>"</p> | |
| <p>wut?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>From imdb: Considers The Mosquito Coast (1986) to be the favorite of all his movies. Man I love that movie.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Apparently he clinched the part when he said "Hey George, hand me the hydroplane will ya?"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A good Sigma Nu I might add:)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TIL that Harrison Ford will be 70 in a few months</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How could he be discovered after he'd already done American Graffiti? *and The Big Red One</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The best way to have Ford switch off in an interview is to be the nine billionth journalist to bring up this anecdote. You can practically see his eyes roll back in his head as he realises he has another unoriginal dumbass he has to talk to for five minutes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wtf? Harrison Ford is 69? (70 this July)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Man He was really good in Coppola's The Conversation</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I would greatly enjoy a coffee table in the shape of the Millennium Falcon. But Harrison Ford would have to carve his signature into it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"And he never acted again!"</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Is there a sci-fi fan out there that doesn't know this already? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So, where is a photo of these cabinets? I wanna see his handywork.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Lucas at first did not want Ford in Starwars b/c he was too big of an actor, having just cast him in American Graffiti. They had him feeding lines to actors in auditions for starwars and could not find suitable Han. It soon became apparent that Ford wold make the best Han.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The most interesting thing that I learned was this part:</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>Credited with "creating" what many believe to be the best scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark (1981) because he was suffering from a bout of dysentery at the time of filming: during the scene in Cairo with the swordsman in black, the script called for a much longer fight, but because of his condition, he quietly asked director Steven Spielberg if they could shorten the scene. Spielberg's reply was that the only way it could be done would be if Indy pulled out his gun and "just shot the guy." The rest of the crew, not aware of the change, laughed at this, and it remained in the final cut.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nowhere in that IMDB thread does it say he did cabinetry work "for" Lucas and that that was how he was discovered. Wtf is this BS? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It just shows how many people read the title and upvote, but dont even bother to read the article or look up its legitimacy. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>if you read through the link it says he's a master carpenter, but had nothing to do with fixing Lucas's cabinets...... he was feeding actors lines when he won over Lucas and got the part.......... it also says he saved a woman with his helicopter... nice </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TIL that Harrison Ford is way more awesome than awesome.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Harrison ford is Jesus.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Chalk this one up to comedic timing... lets examine:</p> | |
| <p><strong>Citisol comments:</strong> </p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>Not sure if gay joke, or serious analysis of the dichotomy of their advertising campaign...</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Notanexpertinthis gives the one word response, implying humorously that in fact both are correct</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>Yes.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>dGraves then posts some drivel that wasn't very interesting by itself until...</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>I really want to learn how reddit works. This comment got more upvotes than all of mine toghether, simply by writing "Yes.". I must be terrible.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>mv46 comes in with the perfect punchline</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>Yes.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>chance4pres then repeats the joke like your annoying younger brother hopped up on Mountain Dew trying to be cool in front of your friends.</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>Yes.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Notanexpertinthis gives the one word response, implying humorously that in fact both are correct</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Um, I'm pretty sure that this particular joke is an echo from the earlier days of Reddit, when it was populated mostly with tech people who know how "OR" technically works. "A or B" is true if at least one of A and B is true. </p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.elsop.com/wrc/humor/ms_helic.htm">See also</a> (btw, don't click any links on that page, it's just the first result Google gave me).</p> | |
| <p>So, what I mean is that that "yes" humorously implies that at least one of the alternatives is correct, without actually helping (while additionally being self-deprecating in a humorous fashion about it). So much meaning in one word, eh?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The karma obsession is really the "worstof" reddit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I completely agree, or do not agree, whatever pleases the masses.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It won't matter what you say.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Unless that was a Mitt Romney joke in <a href="/r/politics">/r/politics</a>, then my_life_sucks would be swimming in karma.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Aww yeah, I love pleasing masses</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Have you ever considered bukkake?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The best kind of kake!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The wonders of today if cake was spelled kake instead.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>.... Bukkake on Children? Oh yes, and I have plenty.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I like your numbers.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>3 is our only common divisor... so we're relatively relatively prime!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Abortions for some! Miniature American flags for others!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Finally an idea we can all get behind!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Make sure they don't catch on to your subservience or they'll downvote you anyway.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Honestly, does anyone ever, <em>ever</em> look at other people's karma? Honestly?</p> | |
| <p>I look at famous people's karma sometimes when I'm like "how long has this person been here, oh why look, that's a massive amount of karma they have there"</p> | |
| <p>but otherwise, I can't think of a reason to look at someone else's karma. </p> | |
| <p>Lots of link karma typically means they've posted a lot of links. Lots of comment karma, a lot of comments. </p> | |
| <p>It takes a troll, someone really angry and disagreeable, or someone really clueless to rack up negative karma, but you can't tell which of the 3 the person is unless you read their comments anyway, which defeats the point of karma in the first place.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Even beyond karma obsession, this submission demonstrates how awful and moronic the hivemind can be. None of the "Yes" posts were even remotely funny, nor was the "HAR HAR HE MADE A SUBTLE JOKE IM GOING TO EXPLAIN IT NOW AND RUIN THE FUNNY" post. It's so frustrating to watch the more idiotic posters of Reddit ruin our nice things by beating yet another dead horse to a bloody pulp.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>eh.</p> | |
| <ol> | |
| <li><p>it's in <a href="/r/politics">/r/politics</a> </p></li> | |
| <li><p>people will upvote things because <em>it's funny to upvote them</em></p></li> | |
| </ol> | |
| <p>EDIT: and you're saying the equivalent of "everyone but me has a shitty sense of humor." which, sure, but that sort of sucks for you.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It's not that everyone has a shitty sense of humor. It's that the joke of "'Is it this or this?' 'Yes.'" has been driven into the ground. Horribly.</p> | |
| <p>It's like Dane Cook. Honestly, the dude is kinda funny, and some of his old material is downright hilarious. But for like five years, every single college age kid in the entirety of America WOULD NOT SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP QUOTING HIM. There was a solid year where I literally could not live a day of my life without hearing someone quote Dane Cook. At first it was kind of funny when someone would quote him. Then, for a while, I didn't care. It wasn't funny, but it didn't bother me. Then I started to dislike hearing Dane Cook quotes. And then, finally, for a good, long while, I wanted to punch someone in the mouth whenever they quoted Dane Cook.</p> | |
| <p>Most of Reddit's jokes are "Dane Cook" levels of rehashed, and it drives me up the wall. Normally I just downvote and move on, but linking this post to r/bestof deserves special attention. This kind of stuff is not the best material that Reddit can produce. This joke in particular is one of the most tired, shallow, and overused lines to have ever touched Reddit. The first time someone quipped the line, it was hilarious. But the spark, the originality, and the cleverness of the joke have long since left this mortal coil.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>It's that the joke of "'Is it this or this?' 'Yes.'" has been driven into the ground. Horribly.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>to you. you're on a website with a bunch of 13 year olds, bro. and pretty much every sane human being i personally know who uses reddit removes <a href="/r/politics">/r/politics</a> from their front page immediately.</p> | |
| <p>also, dane cook was never funny. everyone has a shitty sense of humor except for me.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>oooOOOOOOoooohhhhhhh, I <em>finally</em> get what the problem is! I linked to chance4pres' comment that got over a thousand downvotes; hence the "perilous" title. But since I gave it 5 context instead of the usual 3, it looks like I'm linking to Notanexpertinthis' clever-but-overdone comment that you were complaining about.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/worstof/comments/qm6ym/the_perilous_art_of_navel_staring/">There you go</a>.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What is the point of karma point other then showing that you spend too much time on reddit? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>People that claim that karma doesn't matter when karma is the sole thing to determine if your post gets promoted or buried are the real "worstof."</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Because 90% of the time, the people bitching about the downvotes are still sitting in the positive, which means no hiding. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>...no?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>maybe..</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>So.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>can you repeat the question? You're not the boss of me now, you're not the boss of me now and you're not so big. </p> | |
| <p>Life is unfair. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>No</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Posting "yes" as a comment is like playing Russian roulette. Except instead of a gun, it's nothing. And instead of bullets, it's a loaded clip of nothing. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>No, it's not a chance game. When given a multiple choice question, reply with "Yes." </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It is when you involve karma</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Unless it's a response to a yes/no question. Right?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>yes</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>(looks around) Whispers "yes"</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You son of a bitch. Don't make me do it!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Woah man! Put that nothing down before someone gets hurt!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Why is this on my frontpage</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Because you subscribe to <a href="/r/bestof">/r/bestof</a>?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.myfacewhen.net/uploads/1648-noface.jpg">My face when...</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><ol> | |
| <li>Downvote</li> | |
| <li>Move on</li> | |
| </ol> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>281 points (63% like it) | |
| 644 up votes 363 down votes</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I have a feeling that I'm going to start seeing the word 'yes' more often on Reddit now...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It'll be a very short-lived meme if it steps foot out of this thread. No one who is unfamiliar with it will take kindly to the new invasion of one-word-responses. </p> | |
| <p>It doesn't even seem those who <em>are</em> familiar with it are taking kindly...</p> | |
| <p>Either way, not many people will be jumping in this bandwagon.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Wow, how does the collective decide to mass-downvote a comment?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It starts with one and then the rest follows. If someone were to downvote the very comment I'm typing at this very moment before someone else has the chance to do the opposite the likelihood of the trend continuing increases several fold. </p> | |
| <p>tl;dr: Monkey see, monkey do.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yeah. And that's why a post can get 1000 downvotes one day, and then get posted in the same context the next day and get 1000 upvotes.</p> | |
| <p>Personally I think downvotes should be reserved for posts that deserve it, not because they post something I disagree with but because they add nothing to the discussion, such as "lol", "your a dick!" or "yes". </p> | |
| <p>Or posts that contains: "I know I'll get downvoted, but" or something similar. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>But there's the obvious grey area where you can upvote a comment because it's funny. Should we not encourage comments that make us laugh? Who decides what's funny? It's not that easy I'm afraid. But I agree that in a serious discussion there should be no downvotes just because you disagree. I get mad when I have to expand threads or scroll to the bottom to read an unpopular opinion. I enjoy reading those opinions I disagree with as well.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The "I'm sure I'll get downvoted into oblivion" stuff kills me. Just post what you're gonna post. Sometimes I think people write that so that they will get <em>upvotes</em> instead, and sometimes that works. And then other times it has the <em>opposite</em> effect. So it's no more reliable a science than just posting without the preamble. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I think it's supposed to be more of a "I know you're going to downvote this anyway, so don't think you're going to shock and hurt me by doing exactly what I know you're going to." It's a self-preservation tactic.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes, I think you are a dick, Lol.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>So good to know I'm not alone. Here I thought Reddit just really hated me.</p> | |
| <p>What blows my mind is when I post a paragraph-long thread or whatever and it gets downvoted the MILLISECOND it gets posted, before anyone could have possibly had the chance to read it all the way through. It's like some (re: the majority) of redditors have this knee-jerk reaction to downvote everything they see that isn't their own post.</p> | |
| <p>Welcome to the internet, I guess.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This behavior has exploded recently and it wasn't nearly as severe when I first joined. Reddit is growing exponentially and with large numbers comes large numbers of idiots and kids that don't care or don't know how this site and its voting system would best be utilized. The only solution I can think of is stay away from the biggest subs or just go to them for shits and giggles and not for serious discourse. I just try to learn the behavior of this giant mass of individuals that is reddit and try to navigate through the minefield of shit on my way do the goldmines. </p> | |
| <p>And I'd like to add that one of the biggest problems is the sentiment that karma is "useless" and "doesn't matter". It does and I don't understand why many people think it doesn't. I get happy about every upvote I get. It's a little pat on the back to make me want to continue to be useful and funny here. Oh and it's just the little thing that controls <strong>everything</strong> that gets recognition on reddit. Why is it shameful to like karma? It's like saying it's shameful to like when people laugh at your jokes or when people think you're smart and insightful.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You must know...I have you tagged as "cursed by reddit"...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>A) Hivemind.</p> | |
| <p>B) There's only 2 users. You and me. And I decide what's up and what's down. This comment right here, mine, it will be DOWN.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Funny, but not at all the best of Reddit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Elicited a chuckle out of me.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'd say it is one of the best. Karma's at the core of Reddit and this so clearly shows how ridiculous it is or at least the community's use of it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Well when you put it like that...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You know, I'm still torn about whether this belongs here, but this is a damn good justification.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>yes. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>yes.</p> | |
| <p>(bring it!)</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Based on your comment history, you really do seem to be a masochist.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>No.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I enjoy french fries and other potato products. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>no, dude. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Fucking karma, how does it work.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It's simple. NO prizes for third place</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Unless it's a pun thread.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Is this a meme yet?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>God, I hope not.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Shit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It doesn't.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l1cfyf2msX1qzs6oc.jpg">something like this</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Thanks for clarifying the reference to this well known meme, psych0fish. You are a god among redditors.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That is not magnets. That is magnetons. Fool.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Miracles.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Nothing interesting, funny or informative about that. Just a really really old "joke".</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I think that karma difference between the two yes is really funny. And to make it even funnier i upvoted the first and downvoted the second, like anyone should do.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>And to make it even funnier i upvoted the first and downvoted the second, <strong>like anyone should do.</strong></p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>I'm not sure if I agree with this. I don't think either person did anything particularly worth up or down voting. I guess you could argue that the second person was <em>also</em> trying to karma whore, but isn't that what the first person was doing too?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Mostly it's just funny. </p> | |
| <p><a href="/r/politics">/r/politics</a> is a shitfest, anyway, where the voting system isn't actually used for constructive comments, just comments that abide by the hivemind.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>me too. but then i felt guilty and upvoted another one of his comments so that i wouldn't have fake blood on my hands.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>That poor guy. One badly-timed comment almost outweighs all his other comments combined.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I so incredibly love how people go out of their way to say "this isn't bestof" when simply clicking the down arrow takes a minuscule fraction of that time.</p> | |
| <p>And then you people complain you have it rough. Back in my day we had to walk ten miles in the fuckin' snow to go click that upvote button.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yup, this is literally one of the very best comments that reddit has to offer.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Why are you even posting this as bestof?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I, and apparently several other people, thought it was interesting. You, and apparently several other people, think it doesn't belong in r/bestof. I tried to avoid this problem by reading the rules/FAQ before submitting to make sure this was the right place, but apparently I've missed something. Could you explain, please?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Why? What makes it interesting? What makes it worth posting that you think other people need to see it?</p> | |
| <p>If you were trying to introduce someone to reddit, and you showed the <a href="/r/bestof">/r/bestof</a> (because in reality, and true to it's name, <a href="/r/bestof">/r/bestof</a> should be the absolute best of all of reddit), do you think this post would be a good example of reddit? Do you think that if you could only show someone 5 posts on reddit, this should be one of those 5? 10? 50?</p> | |
| <p>This isn't some great revelation that someone had. They aren't teaching, learning, or having a meaningful discussion about something. They are simply downvoting a stupid post.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>But it was really funny to some of us. <em>Relax</em>. If you don't like it, ignore it. It was meant to be silly.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Nobodies only going to see 5-10 posts. They will see a front page, and its unlikely they will enjoy reading each post anyway. </p> | |
| <p>So yes, actually, I would probably direct a hypothetical new user to this post. </p> | |
| <p>My real life friends on reddit and I constantly mock abuses of the karma system & how seriously some people take it. You get strong minds and good writers who simply cease to contribute, you also get sheeple who thrive on the troll-food because of it.</p> | |
| <p>This post illustrated a major aspect of the website simply and quickly. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p><a href="/r/bestof">/r/bestof</a> should be the absolute best of all of reddit), do you think this post would be a good example of reddit?</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Reddit is a pretty big mixed bag of ups and downs, goods and bads. Having bad in bestof is just natural of reddit. Bad in this case being something that <em>you</em> don't agree with.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>A few months back I saw a string of comments where people were posting one stupid phrase over and over again again and getting downvoted. Naturally enough, I hopped right aboard, the fifth in this horrendous chain, and copied and posted the comment of the guys above me, all of whom were sitting at around -100. However, I got 100. Then, after me, more people jumped aboard and were swiftly downvoted just like the other guys. No sense at all. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You are the chosen one. | |
| <a href="/rarityannoyed" title="Now go kill Slade because Robin obviously can't do it"></a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>There is no art of karma distribution. The hivemind has no organization or method in their distribution. You can say the exact thing twice and one will get downvoted to oblivion and the other will be upvoted to skyrim.</p> | |
| <p>The hivemind is very temperamental and you cannot except much consistency.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>AMA REQUEST: The guy who lost all his karma in one post.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Been there.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>been there, then deleted</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Redditors like to be as belligerent as possible, and always vote for what they believe in/the opposite of a useful opposition. But the moment they catch on to you catching on, they'll do a 180 and downvote something they would have upvoted ten seconds before.</p> | |
| <p>Note: when I say "redditor" I don't include myself in that bunch, because I am not a whiny, contrary 35 year old neckbeard hipster.</p> | |
| <p>And here come in the downvotes. PSYCHIC!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>So where is the interesting story / dialogue I am supposed to be looking at?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I was the downvote number 1000. I am a part of something!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hmm..... YES!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>r/restof maybe</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/qk2u6/do_not_let_up_here_are_the_companies_that/c3ynf8z">This is the best comment in there for me. I'm going to start thinking of karma like this.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He lost almost all of his karma in one post and honorably did not delete it. I respect that; he went down with the ship.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Lets be honest here, who else down voted all those people just because you could?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Wow reddit, did you wake up on the wrong side of the CAT BED?...I'll show myself out.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>7/10 would yes again. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>RON PAUL</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Thank you for giving me the motivation to unsubscribe to r/bestof. Here's hoping r/truebestof is a good substitute.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>[deleted]</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Wait, what? I linked to a comment.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Since most of us can agree that this is not worthy of <a href="/r/bestof">/r/bestof</a>, is it possible that everyone that reads this post could downvote mv46, and then upvote chance4pres, thus reversing the current fate, and make this post irrelevant?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That won't make the post irrelevant, it'll just switch the balance of votes on those two comments. It's still absurd. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Upvote for the perfect use of "perilous".</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>does <a href="/r/bestof">/r/bestof</a> have mods to remove posts that aren't, well, anything close to bestof?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was in the process of posting <a href="http://imgur.com/Xjw63">this</a> as I read this post. The perilous art of karma timing strikes again. Sweet irony.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Mmm...<a href="http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/218038/evil-laugh.gif">terribly sorry about that.</a></p> | |
| <p>Thanks for the laugh, though. But aren't r/bestof posts not supposed to link to screenshots?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I wasn't going to post in r/bestof, that's actually what I was in the process of deciding.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well, jordan_woop seems to think this belongs in <a href="/r/funny">/r/funny</a>. Perhaps you can post there instead, and may the best karma whore win!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nope</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So brave.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was fully expecting the top comment in here to be "yes." sad to say but.... I AM DISAPPOINT</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nah, in this thread we downvoted all the yeses, due to being contrary.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ITT: Many people not understanding the significance of this and many more superficially thinking it's funny to repeat "yes".</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Haha, you bastard - you just cost him a lot more negative karma then he deserved.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Maybe so. This should be a circlejerk of downvotes. That would learn everybody who cares about karma. It'll learn em real good. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In that case: DOWNVOTE FOR YOU! ;)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I </p> | |
| <p>am </p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9mFZq-JMfs">number one</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I believe the answer is no (i.e., psychopaths <strong>will</strong> demonstrate contagious yawning). It's important to note that we can't answer this with certainty as a direct study of this hasn't been done, but let me walk you through some logic based on the available scientific knowledge of psychopathy. </p> | |
| <p>Studies of contagious yawning suggest that patient populations with impaired social awareness (autism spectrum, etc.) do NOT demonstrate contagious yawning. Some researchers have posited that the key differing variable is empathy, however I disagree as elaborated later on. The other thing to note, are theories of contagious yawning that involve <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron">mirror neurons.</a> The ability for social awareness, to understand and interpret human behavior, feel a social connection, etc. has been linked to this mirror neuron system (still a huge area of research; FAR from well understood).</p> | |
| <p>The thing about psychopathy is that while they behave in anti-social ways, a key hallmark of these persons is that they are actually far <strong>more</strong> adept at interpreting, analyzing, and manipulating social situations. </p> | |
| <p>Now as I said the argument that empathy is the key variable in contagious yawning is not well supported in my opinion and more likely the underlying variable is social awareness. I would argue that psychopaths likely have an intact "mirror neuron" system as they are fully capable of reading social cues, understanding human behavior, etc. and are therefore more than capable of social awareness (they have to be in order to behave in the ways we deem as anti-social). As such, the psychopathic population seems just as likely to demonstrate contagious yawning. However, again, as a direct study has not been completed, we can't say for certain. </p> | |
| <p><strong>EDIT:</strong> <a href="http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0925492710000326">Clayjohnson linked to a paper I had not seen before</a> that addresses this issue indirectly. In short, when assessing emotional states from a cartoon, psychopaths demonstrated more activation in non-mirror neuron regions of the brain than did non-psychopaths. While it doesn't necessarily change my overall opinion on the subject, it does raise concern that the mirror neuron system in psychopaths may not function the same as it does in otherwise socially "normal" individuals. Overall, this only further supports the point that any answer to this question (even mine) is just a guess, and in order to answer the question, it needs to be directly studied.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I very briefly learned about mirror neurons in medical school, I find the whole subject very interesting. Has much research been done investigating the role of mirror neurons and flirting? For example I believe it's well documented that "mirroring" a suitors actions is a sign of romantic interest.</p> | |
| <p>On a different note, what is the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath? And would there be a difference in their levels of empathy/use of mirror neurons?</p> | |
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| <p>Has much research been done investigating the role of mirror neurons and flirting? </p> | |
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| <p>I know it has been a topic of research, but I couldn't tell you what the current thinking is on the relationship between mirror neurons and flirting. It's just not a topic I've followed very closely.</p> | |
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| <p>what is the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath?</p> | |
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| <p>Both terms are poorly defined, but in general psychopathy is the preferred term in the scientific community. In most research there is little differentiation between psychopathy and sociopathy. I've heard several different distinctions but in practice there isn't an agreed upon differentiation and most people simply use psychopathy. Both terms are really more of a lay definition, and clinically we would use the diagnostic criteria for <a href="http://www.behavenet.com/antisocial-personality-disorder">AntiSocial Personality Disorder.</a> </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There is a distinction, but it's a bit obscure and generally not well understood outside of forensic circles. Clinically though it is very relevant. "Sociopathy" refers (these days) to the concepts that underlie what became antisocial personality disorder (when it was introduced in dsm whatever it was) due to the focus on behavioural and observable factors at the time they were formulating the criteria. Psychopathy can incorporate some of those in this group, though "primary" psychopathy ( the Hervey Cleckley described, high functioning scary type that seems to fascinate everyone ) is considered to be better represented by that distinct group who are more highly loaded for "factor one" (affective disturbance, instrumental violence etc) when examined via the PCL-r (psychopathy checklist) than their more generally behaviourally disturbed "factor two" laden cousins, who are much more run of the mill, thuggish and overall less impressive. Although defining it in terms of the PCL-r is a bit circular, as Robert Hare designed the instrument itself with this in mind.</p> | |
| <p>So "primary psychopathy" - which isn't necessarily a generally accepted term but one that does get used - is a subset of the whole antisocial/sociopath group , though both are "sociopathic" in the broad sense which really refers more to the behavioural aspects of being antisocial, rather than the emotional/affective/lack of empathy stuff. Hope that helps.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Do we have both emotional and physical mirror neurons? An effective physical mirror neuron system could collect and study all of the cues of what it takes to emulate an emotional one quite effectively. </p> | |
| <p>We as babies emulate with mirror neurons but is that really an emotional response? Can a baby really empathize or are they just copying physical cues?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Great question. I've often wondered the same thing. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_disintegration">This</a> gave me an interesting perspective on the whole thing.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'll have to read the whole thing later. I think the above edit describes psychopathic children as not being able to understand emotion through cartoons. I'm not submitting anything scientific here, but if it is true it could be that they just can only emulate what they've studied through humans instead of having a natural response to what normal children think is human. In radio lab, they asked a bunch of kids whether they thought a fur by was alive. Most were very conflicted even though they knew it wasn't what adults would call alive.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd just like to say thanks for explaining this. I've googled it several times over the years and never was able to figure out what the difference was supposed to be. So I guess when people say I'm a sociopath they're just saying I have antisocial personality disorder. They should just say APD then. Most people don't know the difference between sociopath and psychopath, and if I told people I was a sociopath they'd freak out.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The terms sociopath and psychopath are often used interchangeably. When someone calls you a sociopath, they are basically calling you a psychopath. While there are a few differences between the two, most people won't know what they are and it should also be noted that a sociopath is often just as dangerous as a psychopath.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Neither the ICD nor the DSM list "psychopathy" as a disorder, it is no more a current psychiatric illness than "hysteria". </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What is the difference between someone being a psychopath, and a person who is in a psychotic state. To my understanding, someone in a psychotic state has lost touch with reality. Is this correct?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis">psychosis</a> is very different from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy">psychopathy</a>. </p> | |
| <p>... Go Cubs.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was under the impression that sociopathy was a lack of response to social pressure whereas psychopathy was more related to self-control. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is the context I've always taken them in. I can see now how they are essentially one in the same.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://blogs.psychcentral.com/forensic-focus/2010/07/sociopathy-vs-psychopathy/">This article may help you</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It was my understanding that mirror neurons are for reconstructing the mental (/emotive) state of the audience. Yawning requires no understanding of what a person is thinking or feeling - they are yawning. In the same way someone pulling back their arm in a fist is punching poorly, or that spoon knocked over the table is going to fall. The connection for difficulty in this scenario would logically imply an impaired ability to train in most physical skills, which does not seem to be the case. I need not appreciate whether you are happy or sad, troubled or carefree, to understand you are inhaling. Likewise, mirroring someone's external behaviors - hair toss, eye contact, distance closure - if anything is facilitated by a complete dependence on the external mechanical behavioral displays. Aping it, if you will.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is about your first question, and a bit more on mirror neurons. Others seem to be covering the psychopathy question.</p> | |
| <p>I don't study mirror neurons, but I did take a seminar in college in which they frequently popped up. Nothing come to mind about flirting in humans, per se. But I don't be surprised if they did play role; from what I can tell, they're pretty ubiquitous in social cognition. If you are OK with allowing some cross-species speculation, you might find it interesting (tantalizing?) that various mirror neurons respond to communicative mouth gestures, lip-smacking, and sucking in macaques (Ferrari et al., 2003, <a href="http://www.unipr.it/arpa/mirror/pubs/pdffiles/Mouth%20Mirror%20EJN%202003.pdf">pdf</a>). </p> | |
| <p>Mirror neurons were first observed in the premotor cortex in macaques by Rizzolatti et al., and are often associated to motor processes, especially with laypeople (they can't resist "monkey see, monkey do"), but really, they're all across prefrontal gyrus and rostral/inferior parietal region, and they have very different characters. Fogassi et al. (2005) (also part of the Rizzolatti group) have a paper where distinct populations of mirror neurons (macaques again) respond differently in grasp-to-eat and grasp-to-place tasks, suggesting a role about representing intention (<a href="http://www.unipr.it/arpa/mirror/pubs/pdffiles/Fogassi-Ferrari2005.pdf">pdf</a>). Others have mentioned mirror neurons that respond to sounds associated with actions. So they do lots of things. (Just as a note, I find the Rizzolatti crew often takes the "mirror neurons are very, very important for social cognition" stance. Makes sense; they did discover them. But it is worth mentioning that others take more skeptical view).</p> | |
| <p>The mirror neuron system (MNS) is really not much of an integrated system, but a distributed and ill-defined constellation of neurons across what it likely many neural circuits. The fronto-parietal network in which they appear is also very prominent in the social cognition/empathy literature, and overlaps somewhat with default-mode network that has a key role in self-processing. Ergo, various people speculate that mirror neurons play a key role in other-to-self mapping, the discerning of intention, and theory of mind. Here is a short review paper (5 pages) outlining this idea; it's fairly accessible (<a href="http://www.cogsci.ucsd.edu/%7Epineda/COGS260Mirroring/readings/Uddin%20-%20self%20and%20social%20cognition.pdf">pdf</a>).</p> | |
| <p>To me, the issue with mirror neurons is really one of neural networks. To what extent are they just the result of circuitry that underpins association and learning? In motor mimicry, you'll basically see populations of neurons that are active only when you perform an action, other populations both when you perform an action and watch another perform an action, and yet others active only when you watch another perform an action. Based on what we know from visual processing (or rather, what we can infer), is the mirror neuron observation really that surprising? Really, the big question is "how causal is their role in social cognition and other-to-self mapping?" But we're along way from being able to answer that in any conclusive way.</p> | |
| <p>If necessary, I can go rummaging around my notes for more on mirror neurons.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If i remember correctly sociopaths tend to act on their urges when it arise while psychopaths can wait a while before they act on it, both lack empathy but sociopaths are easier to notice lack of showing empathy can't maintain a relationship but psychopaths understand why empathy is needed and can use it as a mask to maintain a lifestyle or role like a husband,wife. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Excellent post. </p> | |
| <p>Let me add that when dealing with psychology/neurology, there's never a single yes/no answer. You are always dealing with generalizations. When describing conditions such as psychopath, sociopath, autism, or even ADD, you describe a range of behaviors and attributes of a person. It's never a Boolean. Thus, the answers to questions about people with such conditions will also often be an answer based on generalizations of large groups of people. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thank you. All axis II Diagnosis (personality disorders) are a spectrum. All humans have the capacity to act selfishly. Nobody WANTS to be abandoned (a hallmark of borderline pd). Personality d/o are just an exaggeration of normal human traits.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Psychopaths' adeptness at social manipulation is a conscious ability, yes? While contagious yawning seems to be closer to an unconscious reflex. Your theory that there is no reason to expect them to lack mirror neurons is reasonable. But can you elaborate on what mechanism you think ties psychopathic manipulativeness to the (semi?)reflexive activity of mirror neurons?</p> | |
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| <p>But can you elaborate on what mechanism psychopathic manipulativeness to affect the (semi?)reflexive activity of mirror neurons?</p> | |
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| <p>My point is that neuroimaging of patient populations with known impairments in social awareness (i.e., autism spectrum, schizotypal personality disorder) have shown neuroanatomical and neurofunctional differences in regions proposed to subsume this "mirror neuron system". Therefore, this mirror neuron system has been implicated in our ability for social awareness. These same patient populations don't evidence contagious yawning. So, we could make the argument that contagious yawning may require social awareness, and that social awareness involves the mirror neuron system. </p> | |
| <p>If you then work the "equation" backwards, I would argue that psychopaths DO have intact social awareness (evidenced by the fact that they are capable of social manipulation, regardless of whether or not it is conscious or reflexive). Therefore, the neural mechanisms theorized to be involved in contagious yawning should exist in psychopathic populations, and we have no reason to believe that they <em>wouldn't</em> display the effect. </p> | |
| <p>IMO the only reason people have postulated that psychopaths may NOT show this response is that some researchers claim that autistics don't show the response because they lack empathy. To me, this is BS. Empathy is an advanced social emotion. Why would you pick empathy as the impaired variable in the equation when it seems far more logical that social awareness in general is the dysfunction leading to the absence of a contagious yawning response.</p> | |
| <p>Does that make sense? Again, this is only my opinion based on my scientific readings, and until someone does the study directly investigating this, we won't know for certain.</p> | |
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| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>What about <a href=\"http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0925492710000326\">this paper?</a> It seems to contradict what you're saying about psychopaths and mirror neurons. Google scholar turns up some more papers. Is it just not conclusive?</p>\n\n\ | |
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| <p>Additionally, a non-mentalizing control condition was presented. The two groups showed no behavioural differences. But in non-psychopathic patients emotion attribution was associated with increased activity of the mirror neuron system, the bilateral supramarginal gyrus and the superior frontal gyrus\xE2\x80\xA6 The results emphasize that although psychopathic patients show no deficits in reasoning about other people's emotion if an explicit evaluation is demanded, they use divergent neural processing strategies that are related to more rational, outcome-oriented processes.</p>\n\ | |
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| <p>I'd think that suggests that a psychopath would yawn, but it wouldn't be due to mirror neurons.</p>\n\ | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Very very interesting! I hadn't seen that particular paper before. I'm going to edit my top comment to include this, and I guess more so now than before I'm convinced that this needs to be studies more directly to come to a clearer answer. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>NIH funding, here you come! It sounds like an interesting study.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If this actually does somehow happen, imagine the Reddit karma! Also it would be funny to see "<a href="http://www.reddit.com/user/kcface">kcface</a>" credited as some kind of inspiration.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I can just imagine the abstract: After an examination of the literature in response to a question posed by kcface . . . oooh, or even better, if "kcface" was listed as a co-author! Now that would be awesome:</p> | |
| <p>Dr. Blank, University of Blank | |
| Dr. Who, University of TARDIS | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I totally agree with your opinion on this matter. My question was about the suggestion that psychopathic social ability might be indicative of <em>enhanced</em> mirror neuron activity. Sorry I wasn't more clear.</p> | |
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| <p>As such, the psychopathic population may be even more likely to demonstrate contagious yawning.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Oh, I see. Yeah, that was mostly just to illustrate my point. I should probably edit that.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I read about an interesting hypothesis that yawning while tired evolved as a deterrent to attackers. Let's say you're a big cat, or a chimp, or whatever. You're getting tired. This is a weakness. So you reflexively yawn - showing off that big set of teeth to any predators that might consider you a weak target.</p> | |
| <p>We socially-driven humans tend to cover our mouths when yawning, perhaps to avoid accidentally challenging others by baring our 'fangs'.</p> | |
| <p>Probably nothing to it, but it doesn't really sound any sillier than some of the yawning theories out there.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd say its moreso just a method to intake more oxygen when we are lacking it. And as far as covering our mouths, it was just a social manners thing to not show everyone the inside of our mouths and food and such. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I used to plan out how I would respond to different experiences, but whenever the experiences happened I never responded the way I imagined ideally. Then eventually I figured out all that planning was making it harder to respond because it increased my social phobia, the expectation to say what I thought was too great to act normally, eventually when I shed my fear, I got to where the spontaneous thing said was better then the planned anyway. But I was one of those people who thought in words.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>isn't it clincally called a sympathetic yawn, or have i been mistaken all these years.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was with you up until this statement:</p> | |
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| <p>The DSM is at least partially to blame.</p> | |
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| <p>How do you come to that conclusion?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Because it applies discret, orthogonal categization to phenomena which are experientially continuous.</p> | |
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| <p>and are therefore more than capable of social awareness (they have to be in order to behave in the ways we deem as anti-social.</p> | |
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| <p>I don't uderstand this logic </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What don't you understand? I'm happy to elaborate.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If over_qualified_quinn struggles with that the way I initially did, perhaps my interpretation helps: what you're saying is that despite lacking empathy, psychopaths <em>must</em> have social awareness to be able to engage in their manipulative games.</p> | |
| <p>Contrast this with what we'd probably expect from them if they lacked social awareness (as well as empathy): they might act cruel towards other beings, but it'd be difficult for them to scheme elaborately because they wouldn't be able to predict people's reactions and behavior.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So it is not the case that when you see someone yawn, you feel like yawning simply because you are reminded of the sensation of yawning? If someone puts on chap stick, I feel the urge to do the same, because I am reminded that my lips are chapped. Visual queues...</p> | |
| <p>Addendum: If I see a piece of pie, I want to eat it. This example takes the human interaction part out of my question.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What about kids who seem perfectly normal but don't "contagiously" yawn? Is this a behavior that develops later in life or should it be continuously present? I do a lot of school supervision and some kids do yawn, others don't - and they all seem perfectly normal.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Excellent question. My answer is to remind you that we're talking about large scale research studies that show differences in the frequency of the contagious yawning effect. There are vast individual differences, and in a "normal" person, the effect may show up sometimes, it may not others. The response is not 1:1 (i.e., just because you see someone yawn, it doesn't mean you will yawn.) It's important to differentiate differences shown in large scale research studies from individual behaviors.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's very informative and interesting, thank you. :)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I thought that psycopaths had empathy! But that didn't mean that they cared or felt it the same way. Serial killers, for instance, are frequently described as master manipulators. That requires a nuanced understanding of the other persons emotional state. They may experience an empathic response, but not in the way we describe it?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The theory is that psychopaths don't experience empathy (which requires entertaining other perspectives and therefore self doubt), but they are keen observers and able to calculate basd on that data.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>empathy is "The ability to understand and share the feelings of another." Is there a word for just understanding? Or perhaps they do feel, but do not reciprocate?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You don't need empathy to understand and learn about manipulation/interactions/emotions and so on.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>empathy is "The ability to understand and share the feelings of another." Is there a word for just understanding? Or perhaps they do feel, but do not reciprocate?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Empathy is being able to feel what they feel and thus no need for understanding. </p> | |
| <p>In other words, it's obvious and regular to those with empathy, but strange and new to those without it. As such they have to learn through observation in order to understand.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That makes sense to me. Thanks.</p> | |
| <p>There's a Ph.D. candidate at UofArizona in Dr. Gothard's lab looking at certain types of mirror neurons in reaction to social interaction and emotion. I saw a poster he did but it was mostly localization stuff at the moment. Interesting.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Psychopaths don't have empathy. The ability to exploit other people's weaknesses and understanding what empathy is doesn't require actually having empathy.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>empathy is "The ability to understand and share the feelings of another." Is there a word for just understanding? Or perhaps they do feel, but do not reciprocate?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The keyword is and. They don't share the feelings of others.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes, but is there a different sort of word that describes feeling but not sharing?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2391210/?tool=pmcentrez">study</a> was done with a group of 24 autism spectrum children and and 25 normally developing children. The autistic kids showed no difference in yawning patterns between the control and the video of yawns, while the normal kids showed more expected results. </p> | |
| <p>A fairly small piece of evidence, but it would seem that those with whatever sort of empathy impairing disorder would be resistant to contagious yawns.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's important to note that the way they define empathy in these studies would not include psychopaths. Therefore, generalizing these findings to psychopathic populations doesn't really seem appropriate IMO.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Could someone explain the difference between autism and psychopathy in this regard, i.e. what is the thing that autistic people lack if it's not empathy? It seems like that could be relevant to this subject even if it's not literally an answer to the specific question.</p> | |
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| <p>Could someone explain the difference between autism and psychopathy in this regard, i.e. what is the thing that autistic people lack if it's not empathy?</p> | |
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| <p>That's an awesome point, and a great question. There isn't really a clear answer, and there is a lot of research addressing a lot of different things. While I am certainly not an expert on autism, I feel comfortable enough to share some of my thoughts. I welcome input or correction from experts in research on autism.</p> | |
| <p>As I've said, researchers have suggested that the reason <strong>some</strong> people with autism don't show this response is due to a lack of empathy (note "some" not all, as the differences are seen in large scale studies, and the presence or absence of the response does not mean an <em>individual</em> is or isn't autistic). Personally, I think that's far too complex an emotion to pin it on, and that what they are deeming "empathy" is really more a construct related to simple social awareness. One of the hallmarks of severe autism is a near complete inability to benefit from social cues, or even demonstrate clear awareness of certain verbal and nonverbal social communications. In my opinion, it is this social awareness (and the neural substrates underlying human ability for social awareness) that is impaired and prevents the contagious yawning effect. You'll note that studies differentiating Asperger's and PDD from Autism show that Asperger's and PDD are more likely to show the contagious yawning effect. These diagnoses are associated with a greater social awareness and ability, and again suggest that social awareness is the missing link. Again, I'm not an expert in autism (I rarely work with pediatric populations), but this is my opinion based on my experience and reading of the literature.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There is a study here that seems to suggest eye contact is important to the response and that when children were instructed to maintain eye contact they did yawn.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.springerlink.com/content/724nh93m065740m4/">http://www.springerlink.com/content/724nh93m065740m4/</a></p> | |
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| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>This question involves three key concepts: psychopathy, empathy and contagious yawning.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Psychopathy is generally diagnosed using the Hare PCL-R Checklist. Here it is:</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Factor 1: Personality "Aggressive narcissism"\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Glibness/superficial charm\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Grandiose sense of self-worth\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Pathological lying\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Cunning/manipulative\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Lack of remorse or guilt\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Callousness; lack of empathy\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions\n\ | |
| Factor 2: Case history "Socially deviant lifestyle".\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Parasitic lifestyle\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Poor behavioral control\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Lack of realistic long-term goals\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Impulsivity\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Irresponsibility\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Juvenile delinquency\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Early behavior problems\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Revocation of conditional release\n\ | |
| Traits not correlated with either factor\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Promiscuous sexual behavior\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Many short-term marital relationships\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Criminal versatility\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 Acquired behavioural sociopathy/sociological conditioning (Item 21: a newly identified trait i.e. a person relying on sociological strategies and tricks to deceive) (see <a href=\"http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction\">r/seduction</a> for more info)</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>The Factor 1 traits, which include empathy, relate to the psychopath\xE2\x80\x99s narcissistic personality. Hare calls psychopaths, "Intraspecies predators who use charm, manipulation, intimidation, sex and violence to control others and to satisfy their own selfish needs. Lacking in conscience and empathy, they take what they want and do as they please, violating social norms and expectations without guilt or remorse". The psychopath is focused on her egotistical goals. Empathy is a road-block that would prevent the psychopath from achieving these goals. An important question is \xE2\x80\x98Did these psychopaths become psychopaths because they were born with a (or developed a) physical incapacity for empathy (in the way that an autistic person is afflicted), or did the aggressive narcissism overshadow and destroy their empathic abilities?\xE2\x80\x99 Empathy is like a muscle that can be strengthened from frequent use and can atrophy if unused. A person oriented towards the goal of \xE2\x80\x98satisfying their own selfish needs\xE2\x80\x99 could see her capacity for empathy as an unnecessary organ, and willfully amputate it. </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Psychopathy is considered untreatable, so psychologists consider the Factor 1 items as symptoms of a disease, but many of them can also be seen as the most direct tools for accomplishing the selfish goals that accompany a narcissistic personality. In the Autistic person, the lack of empathy appears to be the result of a complex condition that turns down certain means of perception and turns up others (sense of sound or touch may be unbearably intense, ability to interpret the actions of others is confused). In this case, there may be a malfunctioning of the mirror neurons that make , <a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Makak_neonatal_imitation.png\">these</a> baby Macaques human facial expressions. Does a physical malfunction persist in psychopaths? Maybe, but I doubt it is this sort of extreme failure to relate to the physical experiences of others. If this were the case the psychopath would be seriously inhibited in her ability to learn social behavior, which is not the case.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>In the Psychopath, there is an extreme extroversion (so, high interpersonal intelligence) and a resultant lack of intrapersonal intelligence. </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>\xE2\x80\x9CHoward Gardner has developed his multiple intelligence theory to include:\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 interpersonal intelligence, which is concerned with the capacity to understand the intentions, motivations and desires of other people. It allows people to work effectively with others. Educators, salespeople, religious and political leaders and counselors all need a well-developed interpersonal intelligence.\n\ | |
| \xE2\x80\xA2 intrapersonal intelligence, which entails the capacity to understand oneself, to appreciate one's feelings, fears and motivations. In Howard Gardner's view it involves having an effective working model of us, and to be able to use such information to regulate our lives.\xE2\x80\x9D</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>So the structure for interpreting and mimicking the actions of others is there, but it just lacks any personal meaning. An abstract \xE2\x80\x98good\xE2\x80\x99 and \xE2\x80\x98bad\xE2\x80\x99 that relates to other people is missing. Perhaps the psychopath has a fundamentally disrupted \xE2\x80\x98theory of mind\xE2\x80\x99 which prevents her from caring about others. But even if others don\xE2\x80\x99t mean anything in and of themselves. Their actions are essential to the (highly extroverted) psychopath as she attempts to realize her goals. </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>The psychopath is so focused on getting what she wants that that the feelings of other people don\xE2\x80\x99t resonate with her. In the psychopath test, Ron Johnson quotes Hare, who talks about a defining characteristic of psychopaths. Hare says that if he wanted to show on film what it meant to be a psychopath, he would show a psychopath observing a mother morn her dead child with interest and curiosity. The psychopath is interested because these are emotions she could never feel. She then goes home and makes the faces of the mourning mother in the mirror. To Hare, the mother\xE2\x80\x99s emotion is entirely alien. This image suggests a fundamental incapacity in the mind. There is not even an echo of basic empathy that could build a concept of compassion. But while sadness over a lost child may be incomprehensible to the psychopath, she has certainly experienced tiredness. Still, the egotistical nature of the psychopath could mean that she is so wrapped up in her own interests (or mentally incapacitated by a physical problem that prevents empathy) that she does not care about the feelings of tiredness in others, even if she can recognize and experience them herself. The key may lie in whether the psychopath lacks all forms of empathy, or only those that hinder the achievement of egotistical goals (if this separation exists.)</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Let\xE2\x80\x99s look at the idea of empathy, and see if the same type of empathy that the psychopath lacks is the type that causes most people to yawn contagiously. While there are a number of definitions, Wikipedia thinks it is \xE2\x80\x9Cthe capacity to recognize and, to some extent, share feelings (such as sadness or happiness) that are being experienced by another sentient or semi-sentient being.\xE2\x80\x9D A measure of empathy is necessary for compassion, which we can say the psychopath certainly lacks. When one is egocentric, there is no interest in the emotional experience of others. Other people are a means to an end. The psychopath has a sort of selective hearing in which she looks and listens for what interests her, but that doesn\xE2\x80\x99t mean her ears are broken. While the psychopath does not care for the happiness and sadness of others, she is highly capable of interpreting and responding to emotions. Of course, the reason this question is interesting is that the yawn response is not made consciously and does not directly hinder the psychopath\xE2\x80\x99s sociopath objectives, so the answer (if a scientific study were conducted) might tell us the extent to which psychopaths don\xE2\x80\x99t care about others. Is it enough to ignore a basic, human, herd-instinctual response? If yes, that might tell us how hardwired this condition is. </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Is empathy the key to contagious yawning? In \xE2\x80\x98These things called empathy, Eight related but distinct phenomena: The Social Neuroscience of Empathy,\xE2\x80\x99 Batson distinguishes social contagion from empathy and sympathy.\n He says, \xE2\x80\x9CEmpathy is distinct from sympathy (which includes empathizing with in addition to having a positive regard or non-fleeting concern for the object thereof), pity, and emotional contagion.\xE2\x80\x9D Contagious yawning is an emotional contagion. See <a href=\"http://www.psychologicalscience.org/observer/getArticle.cfm?id=1931\">here</a> for a look at contagious behavior. Still, it is possible that more strong-willed people (a narcissist is strong-willed) would be least subject to emotional contagion. The individuals in the group (of people yawning, laughing, etc.) do matter. </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>\xE2\x80\x9CFactors influencing group contagion\n\ | |
| There are several factors which determine the rate and extent of emotional convergence in a group. Some of these are: membership stability, mood-regulation norms, task interdependence and social interdependence.[4]\n\ | |
| Besides these event-structure properties, there are personal properties of the group's members, such as openness to receive and transmit feelings, demographic characteristics and dispositional affect, that influence the intensity of emotional contagion.\xE2\x80\x9D</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>And can people (such as psychopaths) be insulated from social contagion? Yes. </p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>\xE2\x80\x9CInsulation and inoculation\n\ | |
| The concept of insulating oneself from emotional contagion is called emotional detachment. Alexithymic conditions may be one avenue people use to avoid emotional contagions. Primary alexithymia has a distinct neurological basis and a physical cause, such as genetic abnormality, disrupted biological development or traumatic brain injury (an example would be stroke). Secondary alexithymia results from psychological influences such as sociocultural conditioning, neurotic retroflection or defense against trauma. Secondary is often seen in post-traumatic stress patients. Secondary alexithymia is presumed to be more transient than primary alexithymia and hence more likely to respond to therapy or training.\xE2\x80\x9D</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>This indicates that group contagion can be affected by social conditioning or inherent conditions, so regardless of whether the psychopath is on some level responsible for the destruction of his empathy or if his condition has a physiological basis, he probably would not be as likely to yawn.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Edit: tl;dr \n\ | |
| 1) Chicken:egg, lack of empathy: pursuit of selfish goals. 2) cause of psychopathy: nature, nurture or will? All. 3) If nature, what is broken? Probably not the mirror neurons. 4) Pychos' extroversion => social learning ability but \xE2\x89\xA0> sympathy, compassion. i.e. understanding \xE2\x89\xA0> caring. 5) Yawning is an emotional contagion, conceptually distinct from empathy. 6) People with inborn or developed mental issues can be less affected by emotional contagions (e.g. contagious yawning) so <strong>the roots of psychopathy are no better understood based on the answer to this question.</strong></p>\n\ | |
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| <div class="md"><p>tl;dr request incoming</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Does anyone know if any animals display contagious yawning? I don't want to be too anthropocentric here but I presume this could be an interesting way of testing their theory of mind. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was wondering this too. I thought I remembered that they did but I can't get mh cat to look at me. Gonna go try the dog and the ferret now.</p> | |
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| Found a paper about this that says dogs, chimps, people all display contagious yawning but appearently red-footed tortioses don't:</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.currentzoology.org/temp/%7B5FFBCC02-2AEB-4D3C-A7D3-4FCEBB9D54D5%7D.pdf">http://www.currentzoology.org/temp/%7B5FFBCC02-2AEB-4D3C-A7D3-4FCEBB9D54D5%7D.pdf</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://scienceblogs.com/thoughtfulanimal/2010/07/yawn_yawn_yawn_yawn_yawn_conta.php">http://scienceblogs.com/thoughtfulanimal/2010/07/yawn_yawn_yawn_yawn_yawn_conta.php</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://m.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/aug/06/animalbehaviour?cat=science&type=article">http://m.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/aug/06/animalbehaviour?cat=science&type=article</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I know adult dogs will use yawning as a social cue to other dogs to calm down. If you ever watch a mom-dog and her puppies, when the puppies start getting too rambunctious in mom's face, she will yawn. It's the dog equivalent of "knock it off!" But the puppies don't yawn in response.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I know there's no anecdotal evidence here but I've experienced this with animals going both ways so I'm quite sure it does occur.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Isn't the term for lack of empathy "sociopath?" I'm not trolling, serious question.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>From my understanding, sociopath and psychopath are used interchangeably. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Could a sociopath have sympathy? </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>By definition, no.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Same thing actually . The more modern term is sociopath. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is mostly correct but in the past there were different definitions for the two.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There's actually no difference between the two. The dispute over the naming convention is the result of a disagreement over the <strong>cause</strong> of the condition. Basically, it's the argument over whether it's organic or environmental. Either way, it still describes the exact same condition.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, there are other differences as well. Check out these 2 links:</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://blogs.psychcentral.com/forensic-focus/2010/07/sociopathy-vs-psychopathy/">http://blogs.psychcentral.com/forensic-focus/2010/07/sociopathy-vs-psychopathy/</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.onlineschools.org/what-is/what-is-the-difference-between-a-psychopath-and-a-sociopath/">http://www.onlineschools.org/what-is/what-is-the-difference-between-a-psychopath-and-a-sociopath/</a></p> | |
| <p>The biggest difference seems to be that some Psychologists believe that a psychopath is more manipulative and aggressive than a sociopath.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Just to interject, all the studies that I've seen about yawning being "contagious" have been inconclusive so you're making a big assumption there. I am by no means an expert so if anyone knows a study with a large sample that confirmed it, I'd like a link.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So what is the definition of psychopathy here? Is it willful or more uncontrollable? For example if you're aware of signs of emphatic behaviors such as yawning and smiling and purposefully suppress the urge to reciprocate does that qualify as psychopathy?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What about people on the Autism spectrum?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Dealt with <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/askscience/comments/qlm82/if_contagious_yawning_is_a_sign_of_empathy_and/c3yjea6">here</a> by Tascher.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm not in science of any kind but my thoughts on this without much insight would be:</p> | |
| <p>Mirrorneurons are also a subpart/essence of empathy - psychopaths lack in special parts of that empathy. Am I right here ?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I had always learned yawning was a mechanism to intake oxygen when we're lacking, and that no one knows why yawning is contagious. Personally I figured you see someone yawning and you're like SHIT HE'S GOING TO TAKE ALL THE OXYGEN so you yawn, too >>; not very empathetic... and in that case psychopaths probably go around yawning like hell :D</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Did anyone else yawn from reading the post title?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Did you start watching Luther?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was just about to bring that up! A good example of what the OP is asking. Luther Season 1 Episode 1.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't understand what it has to do with empathy. If I see someone checking their wallet I might be reminded that maybe I should check my wallet too. Same with yawning. Maybe it has some bare relation in that if people don't pay any attention to others at all, like an autistic that will be looking everywhere but someone's face, they aren't going to see the yawn and maybe think about their own tiredness, but that's more observation than empathy. You noticed the thing that reminded you of something and thus made you think about it or you didn't. It's like hearing a sound or not.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I believe empathy has to do with mirror neurons located in the prefrontal cortex which animals do not have. I'm no expert but by that definition cats are incapable of empathy because they lack the prefrontal cortex.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Contagious yawning is just a residue of group cohesion behaviour. When one member of a human group (tribe or other) would get tired in the wild, where staying alert is necessary for survival, they would have this reflex of inhaling a large quantity of air, which would drive more oxygen into their brain as well as stretch their thorax, abdominal muscles and their jaws. As this reflex is common to all human beings when fatigue is dawning on them, the rest of the group would interpret it as a sign of sleepiness, and would compensate that one member's tiredness by also inhaling more oxygen. That way, they would keep their strength to a good level in the event of an attack. If anything, a psychopath is more likely to yawn when someone around them does, due to their being very defensive and feeling the need to stay on top. | |
| EDIT: I am not an expert in the field but those are my thoughts on the subject, reddit.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The answer is definitely no. Most psychopaths are manipulative and one of the basic techniques they use is called the Mirroring Technique. This is also used by salespeople.</p> | |
| <p>If someone is trying to manipulate or influence you into doing something, they will often try to build a rapport with you and try to make it seem like they're just like you. One way they do this is by using this technique. They attempt to accomplish this by copying your body language, your tone of voice, the pace of your speech and by using the same types of words you use.</p> | |
| <p>If you're yawning in their presence then the odds are very high that they will also begin to yawn, hoping that you'll notice this.</p> | |
| <p>edit: Just to be clear, what I meant to state is that most people will not be able to tell the difference between contagious yawning and fake yawning. However, I also don't believe that contagious yawning and empathy are linked.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Is that really the same issue, though? I thought it was assumed that the OP was referring to an involuntary response. </p> | |
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| <p>The answer is definitely no.</p> | |
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| <p>Oh, so you've completed a well-controlled, peer reviewed, research study on the topic? Please, share the results!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, but I've read enough material to know this is the answer. If you can point me to evidence that proves me wrong go right ahead. I'm waiting. ;)</p> | |
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| <p>No, but I've read enough material to know this is the answer.</p> | |
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| <p>No, you haven't. Until you've read a study that directly investigates this, no amount of reading can answer the question. Besides, the behavioral and neural substrates of both psychopathy and contagious yawning are so poorly understood that even reading ALL the relevant literature on the subject would leave unanswered questions, and at best you could make an educated guess. I don't disagree with the conclusion you've made (as you'll note in my top level post), but to say it's definitive is speculation, and is wholly inappropriate. </p> | |
| <p>To put on my moderator hat for a minute, I'll remind you that speculation goes against the AskScience guidelines and I'll kindly request that you refrain from doing so in the future.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm now convinced that you're a troll.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ok, what brings you to that conclusion?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You basically reprimanded me for speculating and told me I haven't done my research and I think you made those statements simply because you disagree with me.</p> | |
| <p>I'm far from an expert but there has been extensive work done to try to understand psychopaths by many psychologists and, as a result of their work, we know a lot about psychopaths. For instance, we know that they have an anomalous amygdalae. This is a fact.</p> | |
| <p>On the other hand, theories about contagious yawning do not conclusively show a link to empathy. This is one of the studies I've read - <a href="http://www.christofflab.ca/pdfs/2009/01/platek-et-al-2005.pdf">http://www.christofflab.ca/pdfs/2009/01/platek-et-al-2005.pdf</a> There's another study that tries to directly link contagious yawning to empathy (I'll try to find the link later) but in my opinion it was poorly done. </p> | |
| <p>If I'm wrong I'll admit it but based on what I've read, I stand by my assertion. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>I think you made those statements simply because you disagree with me.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>I don't disagree with you. I told you that I agree with the conclusion you've made, I just don't agree with the logic you used to make it, or the manner in which you stated it as fact.</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>For instance, we know that they have an anomalous amygdalae. This is a fact.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Yes, that is a well replicated finding, but what does that have to do with contagious yawning?</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>If I'm wrong I'll admit it but based on what I've read, I stand by my assertion.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Again, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying that your claim that: </p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>The answer is definitely no.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Is not supported by the research. I agree that the preponderance of evidence would lead to the conclusion that psychopaths would demonstrate contagious yawning, but it hasn't been studied. Until it's studied, any answer on the topic (including mine) is an educated guess. I'm reprimanding you for making the answer seem so clear and definitive without the appropriate scientific support, nothing more.</p> | |
| <p>Also, what makes you think I'm a troll?</p> | |
| <p>EDIT: Furthermore, I never said you didn't do your research. I said that no amount of reading can come to a factual conclusion. Please re-read my comments, as I think you might be misinterpreting my message.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I agree, SamiThunder's claims have no empirical support and SamiTunder has not presented any research that supports the claims. Have an upvote for defending empiricism and not being a Troll.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The burden of proof lies on the one making the statement, not the person asking for the results of a study.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>No, but I've read enough material to know this is the answer. If you can point me to evidence that proves me wrong go right ahead. I'm waiting. ;)</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>This is a scientific subreddit. It is not our job to prove you wrong, it's your job to prove you right.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.reddit.com/help/faqs/AskScience">RTFM, please</a>.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Psychopaths learn to mimic behaviors of others in order to help them blend in with people whom they know that they are different from. They would likely yawn, but not as a natural reaction in the sense that we do, but rather as his/her own survival "instinct" of mimicking common behavior. This is of course a VERY general answer as there are many different types (levels I suppose) of the psychopathology commonly referred to as psychopathy. *The word instinct is in quotes because humans have no instinctual behaviors in the true sense of the word.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm gonna expand on this a bit, not trying to steal the post. Is it the same idea with animals? Sometimes when I yawn my dog does or vice versa. Does my dog have empathy?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>studies have linked this to autism in that autistic children generally wouldnt yawn after someone else did. i would suppose it would do the same to anyone with empathetic problems. </p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39193101/ns/health-mental_health/t/kids-autism-dont-experience-contagious-yawning/">source</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://psychcentral.com/news/2010/09/21/severely-autistic-children-miss-yawning-cues/18497.html">more sauces</a> </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Empathy is not the reason for contagious yawning: it is a desperate attempt by some to explain something that nobody understands yet, and it is a wholly inadequate explanation, as many other studies have shown incontrovertibly</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Interesting thought, but it seems that this line of reasoning suffers from neglecting the emotional range/spectrum. Someone correct me if i'm wrong, but in my opinion you could only link the two concepts if you could assign an absolute binary range to empathy (i.e. empathetic [1] or not [0]). A persons character proves to be a bit more complex than that in real life, with a multitude of mitigating factors.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><del>Sociopaths, not psychopaths.</del></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Psychopaths do not empathize. The original statement is correct.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ah, I stand corrected.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That is pretty interesting. I can't wait to buy a soap jet printer!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ERROR5: Reload TONER BAY 1 with DISHWASHING POWDER.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And a fingerful of dishwashing powder costs you $80.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Welp, looks like just buying a new printer is the best value for money, yet again.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I work at an office supply store and people do this ALL THE TIME. Honestly I can't even tell them it's a bad idea. $100 for ink for your 5 year old printer or $50 for a brand new one that has better features and takes cheaper ink? It's a no brainer.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Bundled ink cartridges aren't filled all the way.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>PC loadletter?? What the fuck does that mean????</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>what the MUNDO does that mean?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah right... they will find a way to charge $50 for a soap cart.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Special soap.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Watch Fight Club and learn to make your own.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's crazy how we are still discovering things like this. I might be actually more surprised though that the jet does not break the film although it makes some sense. Can't wait to see how we apply this.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Every kid in the universe knows this. Anyone who has ever had a bubble bath, or done dishes has played with this effect.</p> | |
| <p>Now controlling it and predicting things... that's probably the new to many people.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There are probably all sorts of physical curiosities we could mine from kids.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's amazing to me how long it takes for things to get discovered. For example, Newton's Laws of Motion. Before his time there were hundreds of millions of lifetimes lived outside pushing dirt around all day to farm stuff. I mean you are standing out there for 16 hours a day pushing a plow with plenty of time to think about things while performing various pushing/pulling/throwing tasks. Hundreds of millions of lifetimes over. And it takes that long for someone to articulate the concepts of inertia, force, and acceleration.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Welll... We don't really know that he was the first one to think of or even articulate those concepts. He's just the one that in western history we got the idea from. We have no idea if some 50 year old chinese woman in a Long-Shan village of 10 people thousands of years before Newton realized the same things, and people didn't recognize their importance or failed to pass the knowledge on to their progeny.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Very true, it's likely no one would listen to a serf's theories even if they had the means of writing them down (particularly if they contradict the teachings of the Church), unless they were very clever at showmanship in front of the court</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I've probably got 10 patentable ideas from lawn mowing alone. :)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I swear, as a kid, I solved world hunger (<a href="http://youtu.be/VarlV8dP6ak?t=15s">and "tell no one"</a>), formulated a global peace and prosperity, and composed epic ballads, all while delivering papers on my bike every afternoon. The problem is, I always forgot them the day after.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I also enjoy cannabis.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>woah, me too. what are the chances? </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>World hunger and global peace is easy: legalize marijuana and grow it <em>everywhere</em>. We'll all forget about the wars, and buy pizza for each other. Bam, problem solved.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You should dig a ditch using only a shovel in the heat of the day and try to have a single thought other than "fuck me it's hot, GOD DAMN THIS STUPID SHIT." I imagine that is the most popular statement for several generations. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It didn't take long at all really. How long have humans been around? 200,000 years? Wasn't until maybe 50,000 years ago we got out shit together. Agricultural revolution was maybe, 8,000 years ago.</p> | |
| <p>Now we can live on the moon for a bit.</p> | |
| <p>Also, I think you overestimate the population. Didn't hit 1billion till 1800, was maybe <300million 2,000 years ago.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I vividly remember arguing with a teacher when I was in perhaps second grade that the toy model of a helicopter we had could never fly because the rotor was parallel with the angle of the ground (i.e. flat). She wasn't sure if I was right or not.</p> | |
| <p>Kids, man.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well, yeah, it's a good thing she said she didn't know. It depends on the degree of camber in the rotor; if they're cambered airfoils, it might be possible, just depends on the actual values.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TIL.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hah, yeah, happens to me regularly.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>At least she said she doesn't know rather than tell you that you're wrong. </p> | |
| <p>More second grade teachers should be like that. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Anyone have links or references to higher res images or movies of the experiment? </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Here's the site: <a href="http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.0842">http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.0842</a></p> | |
| <p>and the pdf: <a href="http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.0842v1.pdf">http://arxiv.org/pdf/1203.0842v1.pdf</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was asking for higher resolution images or video, not just the pdf which is linked in the article. The image is horribly low quality and only shows one shot of the experiment.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The image in the .pdf is relatively high res. Don't be such a baby.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Actually no. It's low res and blurry. Most likely a down scaling when it was included in the curve-plot, I would suspect the original picture to be of higher resolution, though I have not been able to find other image documentation. | |
| Also, why the harsh language? I'm simple asking if anyone knows where to find better images.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think it's reasonably high res. <a href="http://i.imgur.com/OROui.png">http://i.imgur.com/OROui.png</a> (400% zoom in evince)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ENHANCE!!! </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Again, look at the images (Not the curve). Furthermore look at how horibly blurry the image is. It's lower res them my iPhone for Christs sake. Does anyone seriusly think that this image was taken in this resolution? Who sets up lighting to accurately capture images of liquid systems and then uses a phone to take the picture.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Shut up, its higher rez, you can zoom in retard.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't think you know what "high rez" (high resolution, that is) means. It got nothing to do with size. It has to do with the number of pixels. Zooming in don't chance the resolution. , it just makes all the pixels bigger.</p> | |
| <p>or perhaps you know and you are just a dick.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Or perhaps you are just retarded aswell.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://i.imgur.com/OROui.png">PDF's picture 400% zoomed in.(Another Redditor took the time to screenshot it)</a></p> | |
| <p>Or perhaps he want bread and butter? Both of these pictures in 4000x3000? Well no chance thats what he get.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>oh my god, I'm surrounded by idiots. Yes, you can zoom in, and the image still isn't very high res. Particularly trying to make out the actual stream hitting the surface is near impossible, let alone making out the surface distortion. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wow! Fascinating!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>In other news, the price of Dawn has suddenly increased by 1675%.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>More accurate printing?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>On the other hand, soap films don't last long to be used as lens, as far as I know.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm sure they can find some material that lasts longer than regular soap, and then add a sort of reconstruction mechanism when the film breaks to recreate it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As I recall the longest recorded bubble lasted over a month. </p> | |
| <p>Of course I highly doubt they would use Dawn Soap in a microjet. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The US, during the space race, spent a couple million developing a pen that could write on any surface without regard to gravity; the Russians used pencils. Sometimes the simple solution is more than adequate.</p> | |
| <p>Edit: As firex726 pointed out, there's a good deal of myth to this but I'm not "completely and utterly" wrong either. Pencils weren't actually a good fit for microgravity and high-oxygen environments. More importantly, the US government had no part in developing the Fisher pen; R&D (which DID cost over a million) was completely on the dime of a private company that sold the pens to NASA for $3/ea. Today I learned.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is completely and utterly false. </p> | |
| <p>Even the Mfg's [Fisher] website denounces it. </p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp">http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp</a></p> | |
| <p>Edit: It's also debunked on NASA's own site: | |
| <a href="http://history.nasa.gov/spacepen.html">http://history.nasa.gov/spacepen.html</a></p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>Fisher developed his space pen with no NASA funding. The company reportedly invested about $1 million of its own funds in the effort then patented its product and cornered the market as a result.</p> | |
| <p>...Media reports indicate that approximately 400 pens were purchased from Fisher at $6 per unit for Project Apollo.</p> | |
| <p>The Soviet Union also purchased 100 of the Fisher pens, and 1,000 ink cartridges, in February 1969, for use on its Soyuz space flights. Previously, its cosmonauts had been using grease pencils to write in orbit.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I updated my post because neither of us were right. I had some important details wrong but you were incorrect to say the myth was completely and utterly false because there's a lot of truth to it (just not enough to convey the intended moral or the story).</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ooh, that's good right there. Pretending to graciously concede an argument by saying that your opponent is as wrong as you.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I conceded to the points where I was wrong minutes after he posted but the way he posted made it seem like the myth was <em>completely</em> baseless which it isn't. I'm betting you're one of those people who wouldn't be happy no matter the outcome so your opinion means precisely... dick.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The myth <em>is</em> completely baseless.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I realize I'm arguing semantics at this point but I would rather get downvoted and have a few people know the whole truth than get downvoted and those same few people not know where the myth goes wrong. People like to point out when people or ideas are wrong, not so many like to point out where/why they went wrong. That's what makes a difference, and that's what I aimed to do.</p> | |
| <p>I was wrong to use the space pen analogy to imply that simple solutions are often the best (they are, but that doesn't make my analogy any less wrong), I had a common misconception which has since been corrected. That said, here's why I say the myth is not <em>completely</em> baseless:</p> | |
| <p>The myth states over a million dollars was spent on developing a pen that could be used in space (or anywhere really) which is empirically true. What the myth gets wrong and completely voids the point of the myth is who spent that money and the fact that pencils are actually badly suited to space travel; in reality, a private company saw a need and decided to fill it. The US government had no direct involvement and as such this is not a tale of government waste, perceived or otherwise. The myth is so close to being true that to call it completely baseless is not accurate, that's all I was pointing out. It's only a few very small details that distinguish the truth from this myth but since you and I are over 99% identical at the genetic level, it would just as inaccurate to say we are in no way related.</p> | |
| <p>TL;DR: I'm arguing semantics, feel free to disregard, downvote, or whatever. Have a pleasant day.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well, gelatinizing the substance might help.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yay they discovered more magic :)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I read "soap film" as soap opera and immediately pictured some chick flick, where a TV is playing it and for some reason the TV is bending the Jets of fluid.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>same here,I was confused</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"Physicists amazed at jet fluid bending properties of horrible scriptwriting"</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>when they say Soap Film, is this the same stuff simular to like if i was blowing a bubble from bubble mixture? isnt that stuff like super weak i can pop one just by touching it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes and no. While you obviously need to avoid touching the film with your bare hands or any hard object, the film is apparently not disturbed by the incoming jet. So one needs to keep the film away from hard objects, but other then that it'll survive. Besides, making a soap film is as easy as dipping a grid in a soap solution, so fixing a broken 'jet lens' can even be done in the apparatus using it without intervention of a technician.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Pretty much, yeah:</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>The liquid is a soap solution obtained by adding 5% of commercial dish- washing liquid (Dreft, Procter & Gamble) to deionised water.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>Also, bubbles aren't "weak", but rather some things make them <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_bubble#Stability">unstable</a>, for example, your finger. What if your finger is clean and covered in bubble solution, for instance? </p> | |
| <p>It happens that they are stable in the presence of small jets of water. But that's a good question: will the bubble be stable if it is an ink jet? If the ink is water-based, I would expect so, but there may be some other restrictions.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They are looking at microscopic soap films. Material properties can be completely different at a small scale.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Soap film? I don't even watch soap series.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Imagine the applications. Simply remarkable.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I actually came to the comments section to see if anyone imagined any application. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not sure if you checked the article but the suggested application there is the only thing I've seen so far.</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>[..] it has an important potential application. A growing number of technologies depend on inkjet printing, things like publishing, 3D printing and the manufacture of plastic electronics. </p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If scientists weren't so dirty this would have been discovered years ago!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>made me crack up, have an upvote</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think this is a video, the only thing is that its being done with shampoo.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX4_3cV_3Mw">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX4_3cV_3Mw</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Different mechanism - this is just due to the non-newtonian nature of shampoo. Cool video though.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Awesome video and be sure to watch all the way to the end.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What are the implications of this for the common person?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I have also experienced this effect while pouring motor oil into a funnel for my engine.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>but how would they make a soap film that stays in a printer? printers would be moved in shipping, first of all. second, soap bubbles dry out when exposed to oxygen and soon pop. of course I may be wrong, but it doesn't seem like this Idea can be reliably made to work. any thoughts are appreciated.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I read the title as a soapy filmy blended jet of fluid... | |
| I thought you were talking about a Santorum surge. >_<</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I CAN NOT!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is very cool. It always amazes me to see everyday items being repurposed towards completely new applications.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TIL Physicists don't do their own dishes</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What applications could this have?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I accidentally did this a few weeks ago... I was pouring the remaining bit of laundry detergent into the cup when a bubble formed atop the cup. When the soap hit hit the bubble, it arced off at the coolest angle and spun around and around...getting all over me and everything in the room. Mesmerizing.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Can anyone help me out?</p> | |
| <p>I was typing in the comment box, and all of a sudden the font of the entire Reddit website has shrunk on me, and I have no idea how to get it back so that I can read it?</p> | |
| <p>Thanks.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hold the ctrl key down and move your mouse wheel forward. </p> | |
| <p>You must have inadvertently done the opposite of this.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's about time they made Soap into a film!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Newton's third law makes me curious if the soap film will get a strong internal motion to counteract the force needed to bend the jet.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What do you mean by strong internal motion? The film applies a force on the incoming jet, and the frame applies another force to the film. In the stationary state, these forces are equal.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>But a soap bubble is mostly water though, how does a thin sheet of water apply a force without starting to create internal vortexes? What I'm thinking of is analogue to when you try to row a boat on very shallow water, you will create currents in the water.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Makes sense. Ask me in 4 months and I might know enough fluid mechanics to answer that :)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The ultra short description: Surface tension. Basically if you take a "paper sheet" of a soap film, and extend it, it will act somewhat like a spring trying to retract. If you want to make analogs to larger systems, you need to know that liquid systems don't scale linearly, and it would be more similar to a rowboat in a shallow lake of honey or thick tar, but even those examples aren't really equivalent. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>[deleted]</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Obviously, you need to get off reddit and not come back until you have mastered this subject.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>yes</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>The new work could change that. It opens up an entirely new way to control the direction of microjet using soap films acting like liquid lenses.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>How about inventing a way for the jets not to get clogged after 3-4 weeks of no use? I could use that more than a soapy inkjet cartridge.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's all fine and dandy, but how are we going to get Soap stars to make a film? </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And what advantage does this have over conventional momentuum interaction based jet deflection systems, which deflect a jet by shooting another jet at the jet? </p> | |
| <p>This is pretty much the basis of fluidics, a technology that's been around since the 1960s.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://miriam-english.org/files/fluidics/science-mechanics_fluid-transistor-circuits/fluid-transistor-circuits.html">http://miriam-english.org/files/fluidics/science-mechanics_fluid-transistor-circuits/fluid-transistor-circuits.html</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>finally, a front page about soap and not sopa</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The opportunity for this dig came a few weeks too late</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Finally my time to shine!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>sopa? i could go for a front page about soup.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death."</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Have they tried giving it to a whale?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Lets ask your mom.. </p> | |
| <p>ZING</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You just "zing"ed yourself. </p> | |
| <p>Impressive.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Sometimes jokes aren't taken as jokes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Have they tried giving it to me?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why would you give it to a whale when you can't even kill a mouse with it? I think you are thinking backwards here...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thatsthejoke.jpg</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A smoker, so a human, would theoretically need to take in 1,500 pounds of cannabis with in 15 minutes to overdose on it. So let's do some assuming. Let's say the average male is 165 pounds, the average male Blue Whale weighs 200k to 300k pounds so we'll say 250k pounds. That's a 1:1515 Human to Blue Whale weight ratio. So with that known a Blue Whale would need to ingest 1515 times more than a human to overdose on cannabis. That comes to 2,272,727 lbs of cannabis ingested for a Blue Whale to overdoes. </p> | |
| <p>I don't even think the entire world's yearly crop of any and all forms of cannabis gets up to that much. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Apparently, you havent been to Humboldt county...</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>the smaller the animal the easier it would be.</p> | |
| <p>In theory it could be done with a 100% thc IV into a mouse or small rodent, but you would probably have to replace the blood with thc to do it.</p> | |
| <p>In which case the mouse would die from not having any blood, but it could be reported that cannabis had killed it.</p> | |
| <p>Much like the myth that cannabis smoking causes reduces brain function. The way this was tested in the 70's was to give a monkey pure cannabis smoked through a mask for 6 mins to recreate the effect of smoking 1 joint a day for a month (or something like that).</p> | |
| <p>The results showed reduced brain activity. The reason why wasnt because of the cannabis however, it was because after 4 mins without oxygen (pure smoke, no oxygen) the brain starts shutting down and you are effectively brain dead after 10. The monkey was asphysxiated, and this is what causes the damage.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Challenge accepted</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Now we need to find out how much refined THC it would take to kill someone. If we extracted the THC from 100 pounds of cannabis and had the subject consume it, would they die? What if we injected it directly into their bloodstream? Powderized and sniffed it? What are the absolute limits of the human body for cannabis use? For science we must find out.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes, for science... I for one would like to contribute to science as much as my body will allow.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Alright so we just need materials, someone source me 9,356 pounds (4,253 kilos) of high grade cannabis. 200 pounds will be used to refine the THC extraction process and initial experimentation of toxicity limits in the human body. I've got a good source on lab equipment already so we can begin the extraction process as soon as I get the cannabis, although any external funding for lab equipment and space would be appreciated.</p> | |
| <p>We'll start with a baseline measurement of heart rate, blood pressure, stress tests, and mental aptitude tests. We'll retest the subject after exposure to higher and higher levels of THC. There will be at least a 24 hour wait period between each administration of THC to allow it to clear the system. We will also record food and beverage consumption as well as weight and take routine blood samples for analysis. </p> | |
| <p>A rough outline of the operating procedures will go as follows, all consumption must finish within 15 minutes of initial exposure to THC:</p> | |
| <p>Smoke single joint</p> | |
| <p>Smoke 5 joints in succession</p> | |
| <p>Smoke entire bowl</p> | |
| <p>Smoke 5 bowls in succession.</p> | |
| <p>Consume 1 lb worth of cannabis in liquid THC form, enclosed in brownie.</p> | |
| <p>Consume 5 lb worth of cannabis in liquid THC form, enclosed in giant cookie.</p> | |
| <p>Consume 10 lb worth of cannabis in liquid THC form, enclosed in large muffin.</p> | |
| <p>The weight values will increase exponentially until either death or near death. </p> | |
| <p>e.g., 20, 40, 80, 100, 150, 200, 250, 300, 350, 400, 500, 600, 700, 800, 900, 1000, 1250, and finally 1,500 worth of cannabis in liquid THC form. </p> | |
| <p>As you can see I will require nearly 9,156 pounds of cannabis to perform all phases of the experiment. Please PM me if you would like to fund or volunteer for future research on THC or other types of consumables. </p> | |
| <p>We'll start with a baseline measurement of heart rate, blood pressure, stress tests, and mental aptitude tests. We'll retest the subject after exposure to higher and higher levels of THC. </p> | |
| <p>A rough outline of the operating procedures will go as follows: | |
| Smoke single joint | |
| Single bong hit</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>when can we start? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The spirit is willing, but the flesh is spongy and bruised.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Brave, brave soul. I would be willing to assist, and give up my faculties for scientific pursuit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Too late. Seth Rogen has already willed his body to medical science.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Remember THC isn't cannabis, and cannabis doesn't contain only THC, the THC:CBD ratio is far more important.</p> | |
| <p>I would suggest that the limit for THC would be far lower than the limit for the main cannabinoids taken together, as CBD has a mitigating effect on THC. </p> | |
| <p>THC on its own is said to be a horrible experience.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>All together now: Jipalio beat me to it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It would be legen..wait for it...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>expensive.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Only if it's on the free market.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>...dary.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>HIMYM isn't funny when they repeat the same awful jokes for 7 seasons, let alone fans on reddit</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They actually don't use the joke that often at all these days; it's just iconic. It's like The Simpsons' "Ay caramba!", but it's the How I Met Your Mother flavor.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>DOH!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That too has been reduced.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>Eat my shorts\xC2\xAE</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Show has been on the air wayyyy to long imo. Every character has pretty much lost what made them funny and interesting in favor of following the standard sitcom formula.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Aren't the characters like past 35 at this point? When are the scenes with old Ted, again? Like 2030 or something? If he doesn't get married and have kids pretty damn soon it won't make any sense that his kids are in the 16-18 range in 2030, lol.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't think the writers have a single clue who the mom is going to be yet either.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think they know because they filmed the kids reactions so they wouldn't be 9 years older than when the story started. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It was the girl in the club that he bumps into for half a second on St. Patrick's Day in "No Tomorrow".</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It doesn't have to be. She wasn't the only girl in the bar.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>thank you.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>At this point, I'm just screaming at the TV at the end of every episode. "Just tell me who their goddamn mother is already!"</p> | |
| <p>Watch the show get cancelled.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I watch when I'm bored and have nothing else to watch, because damnit I want to know! I've invested too much time to just give up now! Damn my inability to overcome sunk cost.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You're getting downvoted for something I've been wanting to say for <em>months</em>. Have an upvote, sir.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>thanks, I'm just glad I'm not in the negatives... yet...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Grow a 1,500 pounds of weed and tell me its cheap.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>We could use my uncle's cheese basement, it should be safe</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Legenexpensive. TIL a new word.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The only way 1500lbs. of marijuana is going to kill anybody is if it accidentally falls on someone.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The only way marijuana ever killed anyone was getting shot by police or dealers, or dying in jail.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>the most dangerous thing about marijuana is the government finding out you have it</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Goddam I love this because it's so damn true. I can go to the seediest neighborhood on the planet and still have a better chance of making it out unscathed than if the government found out I had drugs. :/</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><strong>Quick and Easy Brownies</strong></p> | |
| <p><em>Ingredients</em></p> | |
| <ul> | |
| <li>30,000 cups white sugar </li> | |
| <li>15,000 cups butter </li> | |
| <li>7,500 cups cocoa powder </li> | |
| <li>15,000 teaspoon vanilla extract </li> | |
| <li>60,000 eggs </li> | |
| <li>22,500 cups all-purpose flour </li> | |
| <li>7,500 teaspoon baking powder </li> | |
| <li>7,500 teaspoon salt </li> | |
| <li>7,500 cup walnut halves </li> | |
| </ul> | |
| <p><em>Directions</em> | |
| Melt the butter or margarine and mix all ingredients in the order given. | |
| Bake at 350 degrees F for 20 to 30 minutes in a 135,000 x 195,000 inch greased pan. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I don't see any weed in this recipe.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>season to taste</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>...so sprinkle it on top of the brownies afterwards? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Smoke that shit and then eat the brownies.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I mean presumably one would use normative means to extract the THC into the butter (I dislike this recipe - I prefer using canola or some other appropriate oil since it doesn't spoil, though with immediate use this is less of a concern), and then use that as normal.</p> | |
| <p>Which would be done by placing finely ground cannabis in the butter and heating at around the low 300s F (under 365 based on this stated vaporization point of THC: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)#Routes_of_administration">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(drug)#Routes_of_administration</a>) and letting that... steep for a while.</p> | |
| <p>(Hyperlink didn't work due to parentheses in the url, any thoughts?)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You should try using bacon fat. Started doing this a few years ago and its incredible for baking. Adding bacon flavor and a heavy buzz to any dish is always a power move.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The weed is in the butter.</p> | |
| <p>THC is very soluble in lipids (fats) and alcohols, but not very soluble in water. This is why eating plain marijuana material doesn't get you very high. For brownies to work, you first heat chopped up weed in the butter and then use the THC-infused butter in place of normal butter.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"butter" should have read "Canna-Butter".</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>15,000 cups butter</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A pan of brownies 2 miles long and 3 miles wide?</p> | |
| <p>Challenge accepted.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Fuck margarine</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>OK, BRB</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How'd it go?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Greasy. Very, very greasy. Left satisfied.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm no expert but wouldn't 1500 pounds of anything in 15 minutes be considered bad?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Depends... 15 100lb girls in 15 min.. I'd be fine with that. (Oh wait, my wife would kill me.. you win.)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>or three 500lb girls..... Allllrighhhttttt!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>giggity</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That wouldn't be overdosing. It s sounds more like suffocation.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Which is actually what was happening to the monkeys in that old study that claimed that lots of weed smoking can cause brain damage. They were simply suffocating the monkeys with pot smoke, and the oxygen deprivation was what caused the damage and death. But the (bullshit) results stuck, thanks US government.</p> | |
| <p>EDIT: Thanks skylla05, it was monkeys, not rats.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Just to be pedantic, it was actually monkeys this was tested on.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://youtu.be/w0jRhHvgGis?t=14s">Source</a></p> | |
| <p>Either way, the last 3 minutes of that video (Greg Cooper) should be more than enough evidence that the ignorance and misinformation needs to stop. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>1500 pounds = 680 kilograms</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I love you. You need to come to my school and beat the imperial units out of it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Overdose as in your stomach would explode?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Consuming doesn't mean eating necessarily. Smoking counts as consuming.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Upvote for stating the obvious that apparently isn't very obvious to reddit. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm pretty sure once you get to smoking Pound #2, that Pound #1 would have worn off by now.</p> | |
| <p>Unless you built a bong that extended into outerspace.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So thaaaaaaats why NASA wants to build a space elevator....</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>point taken</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yeah wouldn't this happen if you ate 1,500 pounds of anything??</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not if you ate 1,500 pounds of black hole. :-)</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Or 1,500 pounds of feathers, that shit doesn't weigh anything.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="/r/shittyaskscience">/r/shittyaskscience</a> has been looking for you, fellow professor.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>One of my favorite subs, especially if you ent.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's a lot of feathers!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thatd be a lot of bird flu, though</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wouldn't 1,500 lbs of black hole be pretty small as far as black holes go? Dat density...</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Can some physics-bro do a calculation for whether or not a 1,500 pound black hole would evaporate via Hawking Radiation before it collapsed you into a singularity?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm guessing the gravity from it wouldn't be that strong? wouldn't it just fall through you taking a small amount of you with it (like the width of the event horizon?) that's even if it lasted that long, although if 1,500 pounds of whatever suddenly expanded inside you i cant see that being a good thing....</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>According to Stephen Hawkings a micro black hole would evaporate nearly instantly after its creation. It is highly unlikely one would form inside of you at any given time. However, if it did you'd probably explode from the evaporative properties of micro black holes.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I consumed 1/5 of a gram of marijuana about 20 minutes ago. and this shit is blowing my mind. that's right, MY MIND IS FUCKING!!!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>me too man, me too</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>According to the formulas its life span would be on the scale of 10<sup>-8</sup> seconds, with a radius on the scale of 10<sup>-24</sup> metres. I don't think it would do much harm to you if they are correct.</p> | |
| <p>Edit: Wait a minute. 680 kilograms worth of energy/matter expelled in all directions in the span of 10<sup>-8</sup> seconds? I must admit I have no idea what that'd do to you. Sounds like a pretty big boom.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ate? I dont think you get it</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's an approximation of the amount of THC in the smoke from 1,500 pounds of weed.</p> | |
| <p>Here's some interesting information on the lethal doses for some drugs:</p> | |
| <ul> | |
| <li><p><strong>Heroin:</strong> 6 times a normal dose.</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>GHB:</strong> 8 times a normal dose.</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>Alcohol:</strong> 10 times a normal dose.</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>Methamphetamine:</strong> 10 times a normal dose.</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>DXM (Robitussin, Coridicin):</strong> 10 times a normal dose.</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>Morphine:</strong> 15 times a normal dose.</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>Cocaine:</strong> 15 times a normal dose. "Crack" is simply cocaine in base form as opposed to salt form.</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>MDMA (ecstasy):</strong> 16 times a normal dose (although very few deaths occur from MDMA)</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>Methadone:</strong> 20 times a normal dose.</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>Mescaline (peyote and other cacti):</strong> 24 times a normal dose (although mescaline deaths rare).</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol):</strong> 30 times a normal dose.</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>Ketamine:</strong> 38 times a normal dose.</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>Nitrous oxide:</strong> 150 times a normal dose.</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>LSD:</strong> 1000 times a normal dose.</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>Psilocybin (psilocybin "magic" mushrooms):</strong> 1000 times a normal dose.</p></li> | |
| <li><p><strong>THC (cannabis, marijuana):</strong> 2000 times a normal dose, or more.</p></li> | |
| </ul> | |
| <p>Normal means a normal <em>recreational</em> dose. Obviously a different way of taking a drug can influence things - usually taking it orally is less dangerous (as regards overdosing) than, say, injecting. But these are good general figures.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What do you consider a "normal dose" of alcohol??</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>According to the source, around 30 grams.</p> | |
| <p>Obviously alcohol can be quite variable (moreso than most other drugs on that list), due to things like tolerance build up, <em>genetic</em> tolerance (for Europeans), sex, body weight... but even with tolerance the ratio probably remains around the same. Ie if I need 10 drinks to feel decently drunk because I have an amazing tolerance to alcohol, then 100 drinks will probably kill me. If I only need 1 drink to feel pretty drunk, 10 drinks might be extremely dangerous.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Mythbusters!!!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes, in theory it's impossible to overdose on weed. In practice though, you'll quickly find yourself passing out if you smoke a few bowls in rapid succession. And it is possible to be uncomfortably high. Just because it isn't dangerous to do in large amounts, doesn't make it entertaining or worthwhile. Besides, smoking less keeps your tolerance down, more bang for your buck. Moderation, my friends, is a good thing.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They mean overdose as in <em>risking death</em>.</p> | |
| <p>What you've described there is just "overdoing it".</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Overdose doesn't explicitly mean "cause death."</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No, but the document is specifically concerned with lethality, so in this context it is fair to assume that they mean a dose large enough to cause death, or dosing <em>over</em> an amount that will not kill you.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The title of the submission is inaccurate. The article itself never uses the term 'overdose'. The article correctly speaks of LD50 and the amount necessary "to induce a lethal response."</p> | |
| <p>Lethal dose is the proper term.</p> | |
| <p>Overdose is a very loose term because it depends on the intended effect of the dose. It generally means taking a dose larger than was necessary to produce the desired effect. So if a suicidal person takes a lot of drugs and dies, it's better to say they took a lethal dose. If a happy person accidentally took a fatal amount of drugs, they died from an overdose (that was also a lethal dose).</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well put.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Besides, smoking less keeps your tolerance down, more bang for your buck</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>This is so true. I have been a heavy smoker of the finest Chronica Lewinsky for the past 3 years, and this year I decided to reduce it drastically. I have gone from smoking 2-3 grams a day to myself, to literally one average joint mid-evening, and a smaller joint an hour before bed. Due to my decreased tolerance, the first joint hits me like a metric fuck-ton of bricks, and because I'm not continuously smoking throughout the evening, I am practically sober by the time I smoke the second joint, giving me a more powerful and satisfying high, compared to chasing the high of the first joint like I had always done. </p> | |
| <p>It's great because I am smoking MUCH less weed, saving a lot of money, and actually feeling a 'better' high e.g. I had a proper laughing fit for the first time in months due to the decreased tolerance. Instead of smoking throughout the day and just being all monged-out, I'm totally focused and motivated, then just wind-down and relax in the evening. And to top it off, because there is a vastly reduced amount of THC in your system, sleeping patterns are far more stable, and morning drowsiness a thing of the past for me! </p> | |
| <p><strong>TL;DR:</strong> SMOKE LESS. GET MORE HIGH. WIN-WIN :) </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>Chronica Lewinsky</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>pfffthahahaha.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What year is it?!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>'Tis a fine 1956 Chronica Lewinsky from zee Souse uv France.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>2-3 grams a day?! I hope you have a job to pay for all that. And that job would probably be a dealer. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>RES tagged: Responsible Toker.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I have yet to pass out from smoking weed, it's made me extremely tired before, but these were times where i was already very tired from sleep deprivation. It is indeed possible to become uncomfortably high, though i don't notice a connection between the amount i smoke and this experience. The uncomfortableness occasionally experienced more so, for me at least, seems to have to do with my surroundings, the amount of sleep i've had, the amount of work i'm likely procrastinating on, the type of bud it was, etc.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Had a friend take a long draw off a graphix bong years ago... We were standing around a counter... Takes the hit, sets down bong with huge smile in his face... Passes out and smacks his head flat onto the counter... Scariest shit that ever happened to me while smoking weed. I've never heard a head smack something so loudly.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Probably passed out from lack of oxygen or smoke inhalation. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Lack of oxygen and increased blood flow to his brain. When you take a massive hit and attempt to hold it in, you will notice your face becomes red because blood is rushing to your head. When this happens, you're more susceptible to passing out instantly (in high school, we used to play this dumb game where you bend over, take a deep breath, raise up, hold the breath for 20 seconds, then have someone bear hug you from behind until you pass out). </p> | |
| <p>Weed has nothing to do with it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If memory serves, good old water is fatally toxic when consumed at 42 L per second.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Before my skepticism draws hate, let it be known that I am an avid proponent of cannabis use and have been smoking daily since my early 20s. </p> | |
| <p>Shouldn't this experiment have looked at overdosing on cannabis in one of its purest forms? Perhaps hash oil? or maybe budder? </p> | |
| <p>Some quick research shows me that it takes approximately <a href="http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_chemistry.shtml">1270 mg/kg and 42 mg/kg</a> for oral consumption and inhalation of THC, respectively, to kill a male rat. If we were to extrapolate this data to a human example, and of course assuming the data for rats can be taken to correlate with a human specimen, and assuming the average male human is approximately 77 kg, we can conclude that it'll take approximately 97.79 grams or 3.234 grams of oral consumption or inhalation of <strong>pure</strong> THC, respectively, for a male human to overdose.</p> | |
| <p>Vaporizers, likely the most efficient inhalation methods available for cannabis use, have been recorded as having <a href="http://www.maps.org/mmj/Gieringer-vaporizer.pdf">36-61% efficiency</a> for THC delivery after multiple passes. Assuming hash oil or budder is about 100% pure THC, and disregarding your body's absorbancy to THC, I draw these fairly loose but somewhat scientifically backed conclusions that you shouldn't take too seriously because I made an obscene amount of unqualified assumptions:</p> | |
| <ul> | |
| <li>You'd need to eat 97.79g or vape about 6-9 grams, of hash oil or budder to 'OD' (assuming your body instantly metabolizes 100% of the intake)</li> | |
| </ul> | |
| <p>I'd just like to note, that given the methodology we have for consuming cannabis and its various forms, it is highly unlikely to OD when taking into consideration that your body likely metabolizes it at a rate that is much slower to anything we'd consider virtually instantaneous. </p> | |
| <p>And another note, as a cannabis user, vaping 9 grams of hash oil or budder to yourself, in one sitting (besides being incredibly expensive, stupid and unheard of), I can't see how that wouldn't be toxic in some way. It'd be almost like vaping 60 grams of bud, again <strong>one sitting</strong> at the fastest rate possible, continuously, with minimal air intake necessary to live, and even then it would fail to satisfy almost instantaneous consumption and absorption that would presumably lead to an OD, but I'm sure you'd feel sick.</p> | |
| <p><strong>TL;DR</strong> Even if you tried really hard to get THC in its purest form and consumed it in one of the most efficient ways possible, it's still incredibly difficult and high unlikely (nearly impossible) to OD. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That looks like appropriate science, but for some reason i feel like their is an error. I find it hard to believe that vap'ing 9g of hash oil would od you, i personally know friends who have vap'd multiple g's of hash and they didn't exhibit any negative effects. Hash may have been not as strong though... </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You dont "overdose." You die of carbon monoxide poisoning. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Source? :)</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The internets. Just google it buddy, there will be a ton of credible sources. Its not possible to overdose on THC (the psychoactive ingredient). You can however die from the amount of smoke you inhale from burning the plant; albeit from a ridiculous amount.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z402/plastic_jello_/GIFs/themoreyouknow.gif">http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z402/plastic_jello_/GIFs/themoreyouknow.gif</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>ps Snoop dog holds the title for most weed smoked on a daily basis at an ounce. He hasn't experienced any issues like weight loss or altered speech.... wait a minute..</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>fo-rizzle?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You mean he hasn't experience issues with anxiety, depression, laziness or obesity like the US government states as side effects?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How is this possibly a title? Plenty of people smoke that much.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>An Oz a day? Damn. I'm sure it's good quality too. An oz of absolutely horrible weed keeps me good for a month.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Oz damn it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>you know people that smoke an ounce of california medical grade kush daily? Doubt it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Never said I did. I'm saying that there is no such thing as the title for someone who "smokes the most a day". And I'm sure there are plenty of people with issues who smoke that much, too.</p> | |
| <p>You'd think Snoopy would just het some hash already.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>snoop just loves his blunts</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Funny story, met a dude at a friends house... He lights up a sweet blunt, pro quality. While we are hitting it hes telling me how he quit smoking a while back... I'm like, yeah, I quit a few years ago... This blunt is giving me a bit of a nicotine rush.. he's like, what??? </p> | |
| <p>Dude didn't know he was smoking straight tobacco leaves with every blunt he rolled. I LOL'd so much I think I inadvertently hurt his feelings. Didn't mean to shame him, or worse, harsh his buzz.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Seriously, most hard-core smokers I know have moved on to smoking BHO at this point. A dab of that shit and you're stoned as fuck.</p> | |
| <p>Either way, how you smoke is pretty important too. I could probably go through an ounce in a day if I was rolling up fat blunts and smoking them with a big crew of people. I definitely could not smoke an ounce through a bong just by myself.</p> | |
| <p>Edit: BHO = Butane Hash Oil. You can use butane to extract a sticky oil from marijuana which is incredibly high in THC. Smoking a very small amount will get you pretty damn high.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>what is bho</p> | |
| <p>Edit: sounds awesome;will make</p> | |
| <p>TL;DR | |
| SA;WM</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Barrack Hussein Obama</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Butane honey oil.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What the actual fuck? I may be a lightweight in the grand scheme of things but how the hell do you even have the time to smoke that much? The only way I could manage something like that would be having a vape going 24/7 or just filling my house with the smoke so I'm breathing it in all the time...</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>what a great idea!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Actually if rumours are true he has a full time roller to make his blunts...</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>what a resume entry. </p> | |
| <p>2001-2003, By Order of the Queen, Blunt Roller to Snoop Dog.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>And you die from lack of oxygen not overdose because you'd be sucking down smoke for 15 minutes straight.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Watch "The Union" and you'll learn more than just this.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"marijuana's therapeutic ratio, like its LD-50, is impossible to quantify because it is so high."</p> | |
| <p>haha I see what you did there</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>[1,000,000]</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wouldn't you die from lack of oxygen or something similar rather than a THC overdose?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Little known fact: It's not the 1500 lbs of pot that kill you, it's all the junk food after, when the munchies hit you</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was told the lethal dose for cannabis resin (as opposed to bud), was 4kg, dropped from a height of about 30 feet. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ok, let's get some things cleared up. The common measure for lethal dose is called an LD50, that just means the lethal dose for 50% of the population taking however much per kilogram of body weight. Don't forget that there this is a sliding scale, ranging from LD1 all the way to LD100. One could die from a much smaller amount, and one could live from a much larger amount. </p> | |
| <p>Next, there's an obvious point about the concentration. Assuming we're talking about THC overdose, and not some other chemical present, THC levels vary rather substantially across different types of marijuana grown in varying conditions. So in reality, if you get a potent strand, grown in the right conditions, and pick someone who is particularly susceptible, being in that LD1 group, then the amount needed to overdose could be radically lower. </p> | |
| <p>If you want to make the point that over-dosing on marijuana is particularly impractical, prohibitively expensive, and highly unlikely, point made. However, as it stands, the title here is misleading and mostly meaningless. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not only this, but a recently published study suggested that smoking weed does NOT harm your lungs' ability to function and in some cases can actually increase lung capacity.. Just one more myth busted in a long line of reefer madness nonsense.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No they totally used science to prove you can <strong>overdose on weed</strong> when they strapped masks on those mice and pumped weed smoke from 15 joints into their face and suffocated them. Side effects: DEATH </p> | |
| <p>edit: suffocation = overdose right?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They were monkeys, unfortunately. Some had over 60 joints pumped through a mask within 5 minutes.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Depends on your definition of "overdose" I suppose.</p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.livescience.com/10700-marijuana-worsens-schizophrenia.html">http://www.livescience.com/10700-marijuana-worsens-schizophrenia.html</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Odds are if cannabis induced a psychotic break, it would happen well after a person has been aware that something was wrong with them.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>lololol nice study that has ZERO relevance. did you even actually read it?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Guys, lets downvote this so no one see the part where weed can be hurtful.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My favorite thing about this statistic is that for some reason, people equate THC with <em>causing</em> schizophrenia, when in fact it may just trigger a schizophrenic episode in someone who already has the disease (because of whatever causes the paranoia, I would guess). </p> | |
| <p>If you have schizophrenia, you should probably stay away from ANY mind-altering drug (such as alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, etc...). Again, weed is not the issue here, man.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not everyone with schizophrenia knows they have it. I've read that THC can bring out symptoms that haven't exhibited themselves before. I know that it isn't the case, but to most people that does look like causality.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>They are talking about inducing an individual's first psychotic break in these cases. There is a very good chance that individuals affected by cannabis induced psychosis were already well aware that something was wrong with them. Odds are they just weren't telling their friends that they can channel Jesus through a slice of French toast, which is why when they experience their first psychotic break, all of their friends say. "Well old Jimmy was fine one day and crazy the next. It's that marijewana I'll tell you whut."</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>hurtful to people with schizophrenia.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>FTFY.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Says consume... not eat... Your stomach would explode if you were to eat it... thats not overdosing... I suppose you could super saturate your blood with THC from smoking? But you would pass out long before thats possible... Trust me I tried last night... I bet you would burn your tongue, throat and lungs irreparably before you did any brain damage though...</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A rate of 1.67 pounds per second, for 900 seconds.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wouldn't you just asphyxiate on the smoke?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>While you need an unreal amount of weed to die from it, only a bit too much is enough to give you a really bad trip, frightening hallucinations and if you are unlucky enough, trigger an irreversible psychosis.</p> | |
| <p>I know two persons who have experienced this, one still has to take medication every day.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This smells of correlation/causation confusion.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So you're saying there's a chance...</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I think you would overdose on funyuns first</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The most practical way to kill your self with marijuana is to have it dropped on you.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I dunnoif this has been said, but isn't it lack of oxygen not the bud that kills you? Sooo yup bud still safe :D [7]</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"15. In strict medical terms marijuana is far safer than many foods we commonly consume. For example, eating ten raw potatoes can result in a toxic response. By comparison, it is physically impossible to eat enough marijuana to induce death."</p> | |
| <p>lolwut? Don't eat too many potatoes now kids, that's serious business.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>keep in mind that this does not mean weed is good for you, or even that it isnt bad for you. just that one certain way of using it is not a significant threat.</p> | |
| <p>Skydiving isnt dangerous! in fact, you'd have to consume nearly eight parachutes before you died!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>TIL overdose and die are synonyms </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>16 ounces in one pound.</p> | |
| <p>1,500 pounds is 24,000. At a relatively low price (street price) of $100 an ounce, it would take $2,400,000 of weed to overdose. Fuck yeah.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Patchy burrito, you have effectively helped to changed my stance on marijuana, and really have caused me to see the error of my judgmental thinking regarding legalization of this drug. In the past (up until about 5 minutes ago), I agreed it should be illegal. Now, however, seeing that it's really impossible to overdose, I think legalization would be prudent. This country is spending far too much money and time fighting a drug that has far less harmful effects than our common OTC drugs. Hell, if our government would legalize it, they could tax it and make money off of it. What are they waiting for? Oh, wait, that would make sense, wouldn't it? </p> | |
| <p>Hello, DEA. Just for the record, I don't use it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm hoping you are referring to an overdose of THC. You would die from lack of oxygen, or the psychotic effects that THC has on the brain way before you die from it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>while I've heard this, along with the idea that you can't be addicted to marijuana, in recent days I've started to question the validity of these studies in contemporary pot culture. When this was written (1988) pot was NOTHING like it was today.</p> | |
| <p>So here are some points / questions that I'm hoping Reddit can answer.</p> | |
| <p>this study talks about the LD being 15,000 pounds in 15 minutes. Does anyone know what that means in terms of pure THC consumed?</p> | |
| <p>This study only discusses "consumption" without discussing the route through which THC is absorbed. Eaten THC is def slower than smoked. Are there any studies as to the LD for inhaled vs eaten?</p> | |
| <p>Also, does anyone know the highest available THC content in BHO or similar oils available today?</p> | |
| <p>Also, addiction... I and many people I know have had trouble not smoking pot. While being stoned isn't as harmful as other drugs (ex alcohol), when you're unable to stop something that you want to stop it can be very harmful to self-confidence and self-respect. Today's pot isn't what the hippies smoked, we've got some real hard stuff, and that really changes the game.</p> | |
| <p><strong>TL;DR how much pure THC would a person need to consume to overdose, and does method of consumption matter</strong></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What do you mean that it is nothing like it is today? The plant has been around for 5000 years, but in the last 24 it has change dramatically?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I would say carbon monoxide poisoning before anything else. You literally CANNOT die from a THC overdose because there is no such thing.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That's not entirely accurate. Everything has a point at which its presence in your system becomes fatally toxic, it just so happens that for THC it's basically impossible to reach that point. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>By traditional methods, probably. But in a concentrated form, it may be possible through some alternate ROA.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Well yeah, but the point remains that recreational and even pretty serious users are probably not going to encounter a toxic dose of THC ever, and they're definitely not going to do it by accident a-la alcohol, cocaine, heroin, etc.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If you could extract pure crystaline THC, then you could still orally consume about 100g before risking death. That's about 20,000 times a standard dose.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You can die from THC overdose, that's why it has an LD50 value. I've never heard of a chemical that isn't poisonous in the right circumstances. If you take concentrated THC (dissolved in an oil solution) and feed it to rodents you can kill them. If it was from smoking leaves then yes it would probably be CO poisoning. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You don't smoke the leaves </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>also, ld50 is just a standardized measure for measuring ratio. Technically everything has a ld50. Lets just assume the ld50 of water is x and the ld50 of weed is y. I don't happen to know what x or y are, but I know that if you drink 10 gallons of water in one sitting your stomach will explode and I know that if you smoke till you drop you will only wake up hungry (and horny). Conclusion: weed is safer than water. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Incorrect</p> | |
| <p>Water has an LD50 of 90ml/kg, THC has a LD50 of 45ml/kg if inhaled.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Source?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetrahydrocannabinol</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.marijuana.com/threads/thc-ld-50.149059/">http://www.marijuana.com/threads/thc-ld-50.149059/</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/thc_data_sheet.shtml">http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/thc_data_sheet.shtml</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mj_overdose.htm">http://druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/mj_overdose.htm</a></p> | |
| <p><a href="http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/nc/nc1e_2.htm">http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/library/studies/nc/nc1e_2.htm</a></p> | |
| <p>notice they all have an LD50</p> | |
| <p>by definition, LD50 is a measure of how toxic a substance is.</p> | |
| <p>Edit: i forgot which side of the argument i was defending</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There isn't much of a risk with smoking enough marijuana to die, but smoking too marijuana is one of the most common causes of the medical condition known as <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depersonalization_disorder">"depersonalization disorder"</a>, the experience of which is described as: </p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>watching oneself from a distance; out-of-body experiences; a sense of just going through the motions; feeling as though one is in a dream or movie; not feeling in control of one's speech or physical movements; and feeling detached from one's own thoughts or emotions.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| <p>So it really isn't a good idea. </p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I used to do a Marijuana study where we would administer marijuana to people to test it's relation to sexual risk taking behaviors, as well as it's genetic relationship in relation to dependence. It was extremely interesting to work with that particular population. Also interesting it takes that much to OD from MJ, where alcohol it is much less considering your BMI and tolerance.</p> | |
| <p>EDIT: I realize I said relation a lot in this post haha. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>go on....</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Stop saying things like this, it gives people the impression that marijuana isn't something you still have to be cautious with. </p> | |
| <p>It can cause heart attacks in people with preexisting conditions and can "awaken" certain mental disorders. Some people really freak out in an altered state of consciousness, have panic attacks even, and it can really hurt some people.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>There is a question of causality. Do people smoke weed then get schizophrenia, or do people with schizophrenia smoke weed to calm their symptoms? Some studies suggest the latter. Also, if a person gets panic attacks on weed guess what? THEY STOP USING IT.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I fucking hate these stupid weed facts. It's the worst thing ever. If you consumed even 200 lbs of peanut butter you would fucking die. But yea bro, 1500 lbs of weed!!! 420! Weed has LITERALLY NEVER KILLED A SOUL. LITERALLY. EVEN THOUGH SPOONS HAVE KILLS PEOPLE</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>People don't kill people.</p> | |
| <p>Spoons kill people.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>So why don't we have a good old fashion duel? You hit yourself with a spoon until you drop and I'll smoke weed till I drop. Last man standing wins.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd pay a dollar to witness such an event! </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hmmm, just a thought, but even at a 14% Yield, in straight hash... it is STILL impossible. 225lbs of Straight Hash in 15 Minutes. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>True, but many substances take a surprisingly large amount to truly overdose on. Even with heroin a true <a href="http://www.peele.net/lib/heroinoverdose.html">overdose</a> is rare, although heroin related deaths are relatively common. Most "overdosers" technically die from suffocation when their body becomes too relaxed to actively prevent it. Apparently, to truly overdose on heroin it would take an opiate naive person something like $1000 worth, but it would only take a fraction of that to put a person at risk of suffocating to death on their own vomit.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As a medical professional I discount your cited article. Heroin overdose occurs because the opiate receptors in the body are maxed out by the drug causing the respiratory drive of the person to stop. Basically a person dies of heroin because the brain is no longer able to tell the diaphragm to breathe. We can give the person a medication (Narcan) that blocks the opiate receptors and they almost instantaneously start to breathe again, this is if we find them before there heart has stopped beating due to lack of oxygen. For those wanting this cited I give you the knowledge in my head from years of schooling and seeing heroin overdoses on a consistent bases. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My bank account would cry. I bought an ounce 2 weeks ago and I already need a refill. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What a waste of weed</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nah see what happens is, at that stage you simply transform into marijuana.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I laughed so hard at the Cinnabon/giant's cummy asshole tweet that I was asked to leave the class. So, fuck you </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I am really happy to hear that. I am glad you got kicked out of class because my joke made you laugh. I hope you don't become stupid because you missed half of that one class. Thank you. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How long do you plan to keep that twitter avatar?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>As long as I'm on Twitter.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Forever is not long enough for that avatar.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Remember when we were on a team together at the IO? What was the funniest scene I did? What was it <em>really</em> like to work with me? Do you miss me? Exactly how much do you miss me? When can we kiss again</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I liked it when you played that dentist who was going blind but was afraid to admit it. I miss you a lot. Like five a lots. We can never kiss again.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>The irony is that I became a blind dentist. But I'm not afraid anymore.</p> | |
| <p>Good to chat with you again. I think I may mention you on my Twitter account and help get yours going a little, I think you might have potential!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>would you rather slowly accumulate tiny ferrets in your pockets over the course of every day or have bird talons for hands?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>anderson7 will now open the floor for questions.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>SCOTT, MAY I-A ASK-A A QUESTION?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You're my lighthouse.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You're my sea.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Don't ever forget your apostrophe.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>that's pretty much the grammarians' own epode:</p> | |
| <blockquote> | |
| <p>You're my lighthouse. | |
| You're my sea. | |
| Don't ever forget your apostrophe.</p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How often do people take your tweets as real things you do?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Number wise, a lot. Percentage wise of people who follow me? Very small.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hey Rob--just how cutthroat is comedy behind the scenes, really? You seem like a relatively nice guy but I'm aware of how you've been trolled on Twitter and am pretty sure at least one troll was some kind of professional rival. How do you deal with that kind of bullshit and maintain a modicum of mental health?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's as cutthroat as you want it to be? Which for me is zero. I know a LOT of kind, hard-working good standups, some of whom make a living doing it, and some who don't. "Hollywood" is no different from any other field (and I've worked in many) in that you work hard, show people how the fuck they better treat you (through example etc) and it works out or it doesn't. Anytime worrying about others is time down the fucking toilet. And I'm no saint; I've wallowed and envied and all that, but once I learned that moved you backwards, I really tried to cut it out. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>are you still pursuing litigation against Kim Kardashian for her sham of a wedding?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Favorite small standup venue in LA?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>UCB or Improv</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You seem to have genuine love and respect for women. How did you meet your wife, and how did you woo her?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I met my wife when we were both volunteer counselors at a camp for people w/ disabilities in Massachusetts. We were both working with kids with cerebral palsy. It was summer so she was in a bikini a lot. She was/is very smart and kind and funny and beautiful so I wanted to marry her pretty much right when I met her.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's nice to see you were working with the <a href="http://vimeo.com/12125218">sexiest of the palsys.</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>When I propose to you when you're doing your show in DC in April (I'll be the guy wearing a "Let me be your squeegee" shirt), will you say yes? I know you're married and have a kid, but maybe we can get a Big Love-like scenario going.</p> | |
| <p>Edit: My girlfriend will be there, and though I haven't asked her about it, I'm going to assume she would love to be a part of this.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How did you get started doing comedy?</p> | |
| <p>What were your early stand up experiences like?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'd always performed in one way or another, but in 2002 I started classes at the ImprovOlympic in LA. I did that because I'd seen the UCB in NY in the nineties when I was in college and loved them very much. I started standup in 2003. My early experiences were fun and exhilarating but my jokes were shitty and top heavy and I cringe when I think about them. Regardless the more I did it the more I loved it. That continues to this day.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What is a top-heavy joke? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>That means lots of "let me tell you this long ass story for a short payoff." If you go to a lot of open mic nights you'll see guys doing this long form method and it just feels like unfunny rambling after a while, even if theres a solid punchline.</p> | |
| <p>/comedyologist</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Before you started standup, in what other ways did you perform?</p> | |
| <p>Did you ever have a really bad experience early on where you completely bombed? Did it discourage you or did you learn to just take it as experience? </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I bombed very badly as recently as a few months ago at a show in LA. And I'm glad I did. You must bomb to learn. And yes, I bombed plenty in the beginning. A comedian has to have battle tested armor that they build and accumulate over years. Bombing (if you look at why you bombed) will make you funnier, plus it makes you work harder and a comedian who doesn't work hard (as much as they may enjoy the work) will suck, guaranteed. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Hi Rob, Have you managed to control your depression now? </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Yes, I take Lexapro and Cymbalta. Those, plus talk therapy & exercise & eating well (plus not drinking or doing drugs) helps it very, very, very much.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Thanks for the reply and good luck for the future.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I am your biggest fan ever! I read your depression article and it changed my life forever. The day before I read it, I had come to the conclusion that nobody had ever experienced depression/anxiety as severely as me AND been able to get well enough to keep it down to a manageable level. </p> | |
| <p>The next day, a friend sent that article to me, even though he didn't know I had been thinking about accepting my fate the previous day. Reading your article is the only thing that gives me hope that if I continue trying to get treatment, eventually I will be able to feel ok. So thank you for writing that article because it really has given me hope when I felt like a victim-y baby. It was like somebody had articulated everything I have been experiencing since I was 15 years old. I send it to people all the time.</p> | |
| <p>I'm currently on Lexapro too but not Cymbalta. Doesn't Cymbalta increase your anxiety? In your article it sounded like you had severe anxiety AND depression so I am surprised you would take those two drugs together. Maybe I should take those both. I feel like just Lexapro is not enough but maybe this is as good as it gets?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>link to article - <a href="http://robdelaney.tumblr.com/post/414007899/on-depression-getting-help">this one</a>?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What are your thoughts on Kony 2012/Invisible Children? I'm really torn about the whole thing. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I see it as a rehearsal for something better/more focused down the road. Do we really want to arm an opposing force to Kony based on something we saw in a video (and wake up and leave dreamland if you think the VAST majority of people watching that slick video are doing any further homework) Is Kony a fucking monster? Yes. Is this the way to deal with him? My UNDEREDUCATED, NONPROFESSIONAL opinion is probably not. But because someone is Kony's enemy doesn't mean they'd responsibly handle a big influx of cash and weapons. Pick up a history book before you pick up your checkbook. That said, I think the tactic Invisible Children is using is powerful and a testament to the way things can/do work in the world now.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Verification: <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/robdelaney/status/177446377171849218">https://twitter.com/#!/robdelaney/status/177446377171849218</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Removed from spam filter also.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Does your wife ever say anything about your strange tweets?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>You'd been doing standup in New York for a while before Twitter essentially gave you your "big break," right? Do you think that all the time spent before "making it" helped you develop/solidify the voice that's now made you famous?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I actually live in LA, but everything else you wrote/asked is true. I pursued all the classical avenues of "making it" before Twitter came along. I did standup constantly and submitted writing packets to all the late night shows. I "pounded the pavement," as it were and worked odd jobs, telemarketing and other awful stuff and was motivated in equal parts by love of what I was doing and fear that I would die broke and in a gutter watching the tail lights of a big Mercedes pulling away that contained my wife and some guy who could actually support a family. So I am VERY VERY grateful that any success came after I was sober, in my mid 30s, married and had been working at it for over 10yrs.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>First, I really enjoy your comedy. Second, I would totally bang you if given the opportunity. Third, what is your actual stance on pot? Those jokes confuse me. <3</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Ha! I don't give a shit about pot. The joke I do about pot isn't even original, it's like Dragnet, Joe Friday, Reefer Madness, etc... I just can't help it, the idea of someone coming down so ridiculously hard on pot is funny to me. I happen to not smoke pot now, but I did for years. My honest opinion is that it's a waste of time, but if people want to do it, please please go right ahead and it should absolutely be legal.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Rob - I have to say that you're literally the reason I joined Twitter. You're one of the funniest people I've ever read anything by. It's been great to watch your fanbase grow. A few questions, answer any or none:</p> | |
| <p>1 - Who would you say are your top comedic influences? | |
| 2 - Favorite comedian all time? | |
| 3 - Favorite comedy work of all time (play, movie, or TV series) | |
| 4 - Are you a fan of Chris Lilley's work?</p> | |
| <p>Thanks in advance if you can answer. Keep it up, you funny grandmotherfucker.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><ol> | |
| <li>Richard Pryor, Chris Rock</li> | |
| <li>Richard Pryor</li> | |
| <li>Maybe "In the Loop"</li> | |
| <li>I know who Chris Lilley is but I haven't seen his stuff. I hear I should.</li> | |
| <li>Thank you.</li> | |
| </ol> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How much has Twitter affected your career?</p> | |
| <p>P.s. your ep of WTF was incredible.</p> | |
| <p>Thanks!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A lot. It has absolutely gotten me jobs writing for TV and articles and speeches and stuff for other people. I know it contributed to the book deal that I got and am writing now. It helps me sell tickets on the road. It has been invaluable. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>When is your book due out? Is it anything like Rampart?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How many of your friends have died from Marijuana? All of them, right?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>How did you get "noticed" on twitter? Take us through the steps that took you a from a somewhat-unknown stand up comic to a social media powerhouse.</p> | |
| <p>Also, I hope you don't get annoyed by me constantly @-replying you. I JUST WANT YOU TO THINK I'M FUNNY.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>If you were gay and had to choose between Leonard Nemoy and Elton John, who would you do?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Elton John, because he is gay. Leonard Nimoy isn't gay so it would be pretty traumatizing for him. Plus Elton could help guide me through it since I've never had sex with a man and would be nervous. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Either way you're a homewrecker.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>the correct answer was Leonard Nimoy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>It's there any topic that you consider to be taboo?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Not really. Let's take rape for example. It's not funny. End of discussion. But you can do a funny joke about how people talk about rape, or you can juxtapose it against something else in a way that will evoke laughter and a "new" way of thinking in people who aren't monsters and/or rapists. So it's all about the way the joke is done. Is your motivation/volition to help or shed light in a way that will (if taken to its maximum/mega-extreme) result in LESS rape in the world? Then please, talk and joke about it. </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Who is DadBoner?!</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Really looking forward to an answer, you guys.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Someone really needs to get up in his face and say, "Answer the question, ya corncob," just like Stone Cold Karl Welzein would.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Administer the stunner. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>This is one mystery I really don't want to find out, I just like to imagine it's a really funny bold-flavored man.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I'm with you...kinda. I hope I never find out who DadBoner is, but it's so brilliantly written that part of me really wants to know.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Just a simple man who enjoys van halen, bold flavoring, top shelf margaritas, and doing pushups in bathroom stalls, you guys.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>you mean 'shups in the john?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What's your favorite knock knock joke?</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Knock Knock! | |
| Who's there? | |
| clamscantfeel | |
| clamscantfeel who? | |
| clamscantfeel is a fucked up name please help me oh my god</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What's the weirdest thing you've done with your penis</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I made a thing out of a condom, some lotion, a sock, and a towel in high school and I had sexual intercourse with it. </p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>What's your personal relationship with Kelly Oxford?</p> | |
| <p>Your guys' banter back and forth is hilarious. Plus she's from the greatest city on the planet...Please come to Calgary and do comedy.</p> | |
| </div> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Kelly is someone I've been fortunate to hang out with on numerous occasions. I endorse her as a writer and a person. I would love to come to Calgary.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I get sarcasm and understand satire, but I stopped following her after a while because she seemed so smug and cynical with a nasty bleak outlook, despite being funny. The weird thing is, you are similar in some of your jokes, but I sense a positivity and genuine niceness about you that I don't about her than make me appreciate your shock humor more.</p> | |
| <p>Thanks for being funny. I didn't know about your struggles (that I just read here) even though I've been following your tweets for ages. Keep up the good work, it seems you found out who you are and when you do that you shine.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I remember you've made some references to your battle with depression. How do you think it affects your comedy? How do you think comedy affects your depression?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm less afraid to talk about EXACTLY whatever the hell I want because depression was so scary that nothing else, i.e. fear in any other area is totally inconsequential in comparison. So for that reason, I suspect depression helped make me "funnier." Then comedy affects my depression positively because the doing of it and the consumption of it makes me very happy. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Favourite TV show? Why?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The Wire. It highlighted important social issues but you only realized it after you were done with each episode because the stories were so fucking good. So it was entertaining first and important a close second, something more shows should aspire to do/be.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>how many chicks have peed on your chest?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>No one has ever peed on me, other than my baby, that I know of. I'm open to it though. Curiously, I would never pee on anyone else though. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Well that's just sexist. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Tell us a joke, funny man.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Q: Who smells like a very warm bad of loose watery donkey shit? | |
| A: bricardo! | |
| (laughs, applause)</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>2/10...heard that one before.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>When were you first told you looked like a player for the Red Sox? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>The moment Mike Lowell joined the Red Sox.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What's the story behind your profile picture on Twitter?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How man times a day do you get an erection?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I don't know, maybe 3?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Odd questions will pop up, this is reddit :) Moderator here, if anyone is posting something weird that is quite offensive, just message me or reply to this post!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Thanks. I don't mind weird questions.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Apparently I'm not familiar with your comfort with oddness! </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Apparently, you don't read his twitter feed.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I take it you're not familiar with Rob Delaney</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Have you read Rob's twitter? It seems like it would be a hard task to weird him out. Even for reddit.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>He discusses his erections on twitter quite frequently, so this question isn't as odd as you might think. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Did Karen let you finger her yet?!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>came here to inquire about anything/everything Karen related.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I retweet all of Rob's Karen tweets because my name is Karen and I want to freak my parents out.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What's the status of your Comedy Central pilot? We'll learn if @robdelaney gets picked up this month, right?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You tweet about sex and your fetishes a lot. Does your wife mind or does she just shrug and go, "Oh Rob."</p> | |
| <p>Do you have a kid and if so are you worried they'll grow up, read your stuff and say "My dad's a pervert!"?</p> | |
| <p>Thanks for the AMA. I saw your one man show last year and loved it.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I bet $100,000,000 that she says "Oh, Rob," with her hands on her hips and her head tilted to the side.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hello Rob,</p> | |
| <p>1) You once mentioned that the secret ingrediant in your hugs is boner. Is there a secret Ingrediant in your boners?</p> | |
| <p>2) You're twitter feed features a lot of political humor these days. I find it extremely impressive that you manage to be opinionated and still funny without coming off as an asshole, as others too often do (eg. Bill Maher) How do you think you achieve this?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Thanks! I think you must agree with me on a lot, because many, many people think I'm a giant asshole when I talk about political stuff. And that's terrific. I couldn't give a shit. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Who are the funniest people on Twitter, in your opinion?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Serafinowicz is probably the greatest we'll ever see. Beyond that there are (thank goodness) so very many others. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>This is now over. Thank you to everyone who participated! </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>will marijuana really kill me insantly? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Why don't you post more sexy pics of yourself?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Preferably speedo pics...</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>who do you want to win the presidential election </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Barack Obama. I would rather have it be someone less beholden to lobbyists and corporate interests and more aggressive on affordable health care for all and education, but since our 2 party system will still be in effect come November, I vastly prefer Obama to Romney. And I'm not a Democrat. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Which one of your tweets are you most proud of? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Is your aunt really a cunt?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>None of my aunts are cunts.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>You're much more serious on reddit than you are on twitter.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><ol> | |
| <li>Will you ever change your Twitter avatar?</li> | |
| <li>What are some of your favorite bands?</li> | |
| <li>Favorite Meal?</li> | |
| <li>Will you ever show your son your tweets?</li> | |
| </ol> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><ol> | |
| <li>No</li> | |
| <li>The The, Fugazi, Queens of the Stone Age, Led Zeppelin, Masters of Reality, New Pornographers</li> | |
| <li>Regina's pizza in Boston</li> | |
| <li>I won't say "Hey, come look at these," but if he ever finds them, so be it.</li> | |
| </ol> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Which of your tweets produced the most feedback?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Do you really have a neighbor named Karen?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Worst job you ever had?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Telemarketing for a shitty stock newspaper. I'd call people and be like "Do you want this newspaper?" and they'd say "No, it is garbage," and I'd say "Yes, it really is. I'm sorry I bothered you at your home or place of business." It fucking sucked. A lot of the people who worked there were homeless or lived in their car. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>do you really love saggy tits and enormous bush as much as you say?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Yeah, I kinda do.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What are your favorite books? Top 5 for example</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Moby Dick | |
| Beloved | |
| Anything by Phoebe Gloeckner | |
| Mysteries by Knut Hamsun | |
| Tender is the Night</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Awesome. </p> | |
| <ol> | |
| <li><p>How has twitter changed the way you do comedy? Some dudes I know just use it to throw up jokes, see how people respond, then try to find a way to work the good'uns into a routine.</p></li> | |
| <li><p>How long does it take you to write a tweet? Is it just like a spur of the moment kinda thing, or do you have some sort of backlog you dip into every few hours or so?</p></li> | |
| </ol> | |
| <p>Also, thanks for forcing me to kill an hour at work. <strong>You jerk</strong>.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How soft is president Obama's skin?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Probably not THAT soft because he smokes. (Or did he quit?) In any case, smoking reduces the skin's elasticity, which would make it less pleasing to the touch.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Based on your columns you seem well-read, and I find you absurdly funny. Do you have any good book recommendations?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Which hole is the best hole?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I had a friend who overdosed on marijuana recently. Just wanted to say thank you and keep fighting the good fight and spreading awareness of this horrific and life changing drug.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How did you get involved in comedy? How do you come up with your jokes? Do you catch any flak for being explicit/vulgar?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Favorite TV shows?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Do you always retweet people who talk shit to you? </p> | |
| <p>Also, Don't be proud about having more followers than Stephen Harper, when it comes to Twitter I think Justin Bieber is our Canadian Ambassador so you'll have to get more followers than him.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>Marry, Fuck, Kill:</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Suze Orman, Bj\xC3\xB6rk, Sandra Fluke</p>\n\ | |
| </div>" | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I like all 3 of them, so I'd fuck them all if they'd have me. One at a time, though.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Do you really have a neighbor named Karen??</p> | |
| <p>(ps- im a huge fan of your twitter, you are by far my favorite tweeting-guy)</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What's your favorite bit or joke from a stand up comedian? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What's your opinion on the upcoming blockbuster "Rampart", starring Woody Harrelson?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Other than Snuffleupagus, who is your favorite Sesame Street character and why?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>If you had to have a threesome with two other people from twitter, who would it be?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hi Rob, we're Twitter friends and I don't have any super witty questions to ask, but i wanted to show my support and thank you for doing this! You make me laugh on a daily basis and i'm pretty grateful for that. It's a crappy world and laughing helps. What is the hardest part about comedy, in your opinion? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Which do you enjoy more: performing (stand-up, acting, etc) or writing (your twitter, columns, etc.)? Obviously they are linked, but you have to choose one!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>standup. easy question</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Do you really have a neighbor named Karen and does she know about your Twitter account? (also, Kansas City, Missouri wants you to visit despite the shady clubs here)</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Rob Delaney is to twitter as Dane Cook was to MySpace, except undeniably cooler and funnier. True or false?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Damn, the one time I find a good AMA early and I can't think of anything interesting to ask. </p> | |
| <p>So, crappy question ahoy. </p> | |
| <p>Are you funny in real life, when not working? I always wondered this. Do comedians have this boring personality when they're not being a comedian? Do you have to "switch on" being funny?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Sum up human existence in one word?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Can you please stop telling your friends that I'm paranoid, behind my back?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hi Rob -- I'm an avid follower of your Twitter feed and have used some of your tweets for my comedy newscast. That said, who, besides friends, do you follow? Is it based on what makes you laugh?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How many unfollows do you get daily? Compared to follows?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hey Rob, reading your tweets is somewhat of a morning ritual for me. Just wanted to thank you for bringing constant laughter and joy to me and those who I instantly show your tweets too. Is there any update on that pilot you shot for Comedy Central?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Thanks for doing an AMA! Your twitter is responsible for most of my public laughing outbursts. </p> | |
| <ol> | |
| <li><p>You should come to Athens, GA on your tour (not really a question, more so a veiled threat.)</p></li> | |
| <li><p>How did you propose to your wife?</p></li> | |
| <li><p>What is, in your opinion, the key to being funny?</p></li> | |
| </ol> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What's your thoughts on people stealing your tweets as their own original thought? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I have gotten a relatively late start to comedy, starting improv 2 years ago at UCB NYC and now beginning to do stand up. What advice do you have for new comics and writers to network and gain traction in the industry?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Write all the time, read all the time, perform all the time. Anything else is just a variation on that. Also: <a href="http://robdelaney.tumblr.com/howtomakeitincomedy">http://robdelaney.tumblr.com/howtomakeitincomedy</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>do you look at the posts tagged with your name on tumblr?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I've never heard of you before this, but I just looked you up. The Kardashian stuff is cool and all and I'm sure you hear a lot about that. Your tweets are funny and I only spit up once. Can we be pen pals? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><blockquote> | |
| <p>I've never heard of you before this, but I just rooked you up. The Kardashian stuff is coor and arr and I'm sure you hear a rot about that. Your tweets are funny and I only spit up once. Can we be pen pars? </p> | |
| </blockquote> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>When are you coming to the UK?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>June, Soho Theatre for a week. Exact dates TBD</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Can we smell your neighbor Karen's hair together?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What are the main differences between a fire extinguisher and a fire hydrant?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How do you come up with the shit you say on your twitter? Do you do anything other than funny tweets? (such as stand up?) Are you ever serious in real life?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What is your biggest inspiration for your comedy, and when did you realize comedy was something you wanted to pursue?</p> | |
| <p>Also, verified on Twitter: <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/robdelaney/status/177446377171849218">https://twitter.com/#!/robdelaney/status/177446377171849218</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How great is the new Mark Lanegan album? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>did you immediately realize the usefulness of twitter for comedy or did it take a while? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I have nothing productive to say. You're the bee's knees and you make me laugh on a daily basis. Thanks, man! </p> | |
| <p>Edit: productive comment time! The piece you wrote about depression was perfect in every way. I passed it along to a lot of family and friends, who found it really helpful. Those who could relate were so glad to have a written expression of what the fuck depression does your poor soul. Hope you're doing swell these days! </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Are you getting a tv show?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>When they pack the house at the UCB Theatre and have the audience sit on the stage, is that weird to you while you're doing your act? Do you feel like you're hosting Romper Room? It feels weird sitting there.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Ha! No, I like it. I like to touch and smell the audience. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How did you get into comedy?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I'm pretty sure your tweets will one day be used in University classes. My question is, which class or classes?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How do you make it in comedy?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How much of your current success is due to Twitter? You seem to own the 140 Character Comedy Niche. I'm sure you were funny before Twitter but how many people knew that?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I was at your sister's wedding and while you weren't yet a Twitter sensation, I had seen your Boston Mad Men skit and was aware that you were a comic/actor. So I was surprised when I saw you READ your toast. Why didn't you memorize it/speak from the heart? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Would you consider doing a show in Ireland? Are you in Ireland right now? Why aren't you in Ireland? What's wrong with Ireland? You bastard.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How do you feel about Nena's armpit hair? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How has Twitter impacted your comedic career? Love your stuff, btw.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Do you think the secret to your Twitter success might be down to your appealing avatar rather than your comedic talent? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How did twitter help your career escalate? What can we expect with the new show @RobDelaney? Do you agree with Megan Amram or Christian Finnegan in the debate of comedy on twitter? (see <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/06/is-twitter-bad-for-comedy_n_1323352.html">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/06/is-twitter-bad-for-comedy_n_1323352.html</a>) Thank you so much Rob! You keep me laughing!</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How important is your feminism to your comedy? And what are your thoughts about being a dude and a feminist? (TWO QUESTIONS I CHEATED I KNOW)</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How do you feel about Twitter becoming a vehicle for comedy? You were one of the first to truly use it and become big off of it so it'd be interesting to hear your opinion.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Can you describe in full detail the appropriate way to style one's pubic hair? I trust your opinion the most.</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Baby otters or baby sloths?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What was the weight of the thinnest girl you've ever "special snuggled?"</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hey Rob! What's the status on your Comedy Central pilot? </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Oh and I guess this is proof - <a href="https://twitter.com/#!/robdelaney/status/177446377171849218">https://twitter.com/#!/robdelaney/status/177446377171849218</a></p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>How do you fight through writers block on Twitter? I always end up just tweeting the most groan inducing shit when it happens</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>It's pretty straightforward. We ask you questions, you hit reply to the question (don't just create a new post answering a question you see - it will get confusing) and answer it in a funny, yet truthful way while also upvoting everything I post. </p> | |
| <p>On that note, what was your life like before you became a prodigious tweeter (<a href="https://twitter.com/#!/robdelaney">https://twitter.com/#!/robdelaney</a>)? Did you have a different comedy grind or was twitter the impetus for you really throwing yourself into comedy 24/7?</p> | |
| <p>EDIT: Also worth noting is that you need to provide proof to the moderators that you are who you say you are... a screenshot of your recent tweet about doing an IAMA should probably do the trick. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>damn girl can i get a better look at that ass?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Have you ever thought of shaving your chest?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Hey Rob. Who are some of your favorite comedians?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>What's your favorite bit?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>When are you going to do a gig in the Pacific NW?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Did I ever tell you you're my hero?</p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>Will you change your twitter picture? I'm tired of staring at your banana hammock. </p> | |
| </div> | |
| - |- | |
| <div class="md"><p>I like your dickbeard</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Heya Rob - one of your old classmates from MHS here (probably can guess who from the username = my initials). When did you decide to make the transition from straight theater to standup? Do you pattern yourself after any particular performers? Finally, a suggestion for future comic acting: you'd do well to emulate the methodology of John Cleese. Use your authoritative figure, and flip it.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I know kids who think Elemeno is a letter because of the song.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I was one of those kids</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>On a similar note, was I the only American kid that thought the star-spangled banner said "dawnzerly light?"</p> | |
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| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>I thought it said "Jos\xC3\xA9 can you see?" rather than "Oh say can you see?" because in my kindergarten class there was a kid named Jos\xC3\xA9.</p>\n\ | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Are you sure you're not just repeating a really awful joke from a really awful movie?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Some other kid could have repeated it to me and my kindergarten gullibility stuck onto it. I looked up the movie the other guy linked and the movie "rookie of the year" was from 1994 and "angels in the outfield" was in 1993. Since I was in that class in 95 it's completely possible.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>No way...</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Jose?</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZTk3rBRTueE#t=11s">IT'S ABOUT A SPANISH GUY!</a></p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>For some reason I thought the word "sucker" was a compliment. One time a lady at the bank gave me a lollipop and I said, "A sucker from a sucker, right Mom?"</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Jose must have really good vision to see by the dawnzerly light.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Nope</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Why do you have a cat beside your name?!</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Wait a minute... what IS this place?!</p> | |
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| - "<div class=\"md\"><p>You're traveling through another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind; a journey into a wondrous land whose boundaries are that of imagination. That's the signpost up ahead \xE2\x80\x94 your next stop, the Twilight Zone.</p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Anyway, to answer your question: I have a cat because I... "adopted"... one... <em>looks around nervously</em></p>\n\n\ | |
| <p>Now move along.</p>\n\ | |
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| <div class="md"><p>A special place.</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>Anyone still say "Lieberry."</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>"strawbrerry"</p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>haha Scrubs!! </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>My favourite Lieberry is the one from Marge in Burns Baby Burns. </p> | |
| <p>"I can't excape Lisa, our little walking lieberry." </p> | |
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| <div class="md"><p>I work in a Library. Last year during a budget meeting asking staff where we could cut spending. One of the staff used the word liberry. Right then I wanted to shout "Fire anybody that calls it a liberry, not library!".</ |
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