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[redacted] is real good at making me angry. | |
the argumentation lacks any show of willingness to try to empathize | |
with those that whole differing view points, or who may be impacted | |
negatively by the behavior in question. | |
Why is he defending dick jokes, moreover, why is he defending people | |
that make dick jokes; why does he make dick jokes. I feel like, by | |
asking those three questions, I am currently at a more powerful point | |
for real understanding than he is, because he is | |
defending/asking/responding from a place of feeling like he already | |
knows all that he has to know about the issue. | |
Is he _honestly_ asking why dick jokes at a professional conference | |
for a profession dominated by men may be (ARE) alienating, | |
marginalizing, and oppressive? | |
Or is asking why dick jokes may be (again, ARE) alienating, | |
marginalizing, and oppressive? | |
Snide condescending asshattery which is AS alienating if not more so | |
than the act of making dick jokes at a conference. and I'm not even | |
there. |
This was also marginalizing me, as I don't want to be reduced to being someone who happens to have a dick.
Right. I was uncomfortable too. That said, I tend to take oppressed groups' opinions more seriously than non-oppressed groups, but that doesn't mean that your/my concerns aren't also valid.
Yeah, just wanted to emphasize that this should be concerning everyone.
That said, I tend to take oppressed groups' opinions more seriously than non-oppressed groups
Good point is good!
I remember the last time one of these little scandals erupted there was an argument made that "you're offended because you're American; in Europe we're grownups who are OK with that sort of thing". Could this be a cultural difference?
I wondered the same thing. FWIW, a comment from a Polish person who was there:
I always get really upset and a little sad at all the blatant sexism that happens at any conference where there's a large eastern european population. I know that's stereotyping, but I've seen it happen too many times.
Honestly, I think that even that 'cultural difference' means that 'they' need an even BIGGER cultural shift than 'we' do.
Hmm, about Eastern Europe. Remember TechCrunch in Moscow? (It had a live video stream) Absolutely nothing ever was about sex. Asexual conference <3
Thanks for pointing that out. We organizers really hear your feedback. I personally hope next time more care will be taken to avoid such jokes during the talks.
I did not like this one particular talk on Sunday either, not only because of some jokes, but also because speaker spent 5 minutes talking about himself. I also hear a lot of complains about technical level of this talk.
Thanks @jdudek. I was planning on sending a link to this to the organizers after some people had commented.
It was really drawn into sharp contrast because of the RailsGirls talk, too...
Other than this one aspect, I had a really good time at the conf. I'm just really concerned that this kind of thing is what's keeping women out.
Other than this one aspect, I had a really good time at the conf.
Same for me, btw! What I told @mlomnicki on Monday morning is what I still feel (that it was a great conf!).
I guess this is about last week-end. At some points I felt really uncomfortable about the level of sexualization of the atmosphere that some people (even speakers) contributed to a lot. And not (only) because I thought about how the (few) women in the room probably felt about this. This was also marginalizing me, as I don't want to be reduced to being someone who happens to have a dick. I'm there because I want to learn and share knowledge.
During one particular talk on sunday I just had to leave the room. Probably I should have stayed and yelled "Asshole!" a few times, as I feel that would've been appropriate.
EDIT: By the way, hopefully there'll be a recording online of this one talk I mentioned. Because it was just super-embarrassing.