IRC log from August 7th, 2014 - Chat session w/ USM999

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[04:11:48 pm] --> USM999 (webchat@[IP REMOVED]) has joined #hawkenscrim
[04:11:55 pm] <USM999> Discusss?
[04:11:59 pm] <USM999> Discuss what?
[04:12:20 pm] <[HWK]Defter> Hi USM999
[04:12:31 pm] <ReEvolve> oh look who's here :)
[04:12:32 pm] <USM999> Hello
[04:12:49 pm] <USM999> Not sure why you want me here in the first place
[04:13:21 pm] <[HWK]Defter> your ideas of what is a hack and what is not a hack
[04:13:33 pm] <foxtrotfire> oh, are we talking hacks?
[04:13:42 pm] <ReEvolve> I'm just sad that my comment was hidden >_>
[04:13:50 pm] <foxtrotfire> well then, let's hear it
[04:13:54 pm] <[HWK]Defter> USM999 is the guy that made the video
[04:14:28 pm] -*- foxtrotfire feverously searches his chat history for the relevant video
[04:14:29 pm] <hellc9943> \o/
[04:14:31 pm] <Laila> New topic(s) in colonyhub: Bringing back and revamping Optimization Trees. <https://community.playhawken.com/topic/67622-bringing-back-and-revamping-optimization-trees/>
[04:14:43 pm] <[HWK]Defter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fl4yh1qrrlw
[04:14:44 pm] <USM999> I know what hacks are and how they work.
[04:14:44 pm] <Laila> Title: ◀| TOO MANY HACKERS | GAMEPLAY | HAWKEN |► - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
[04:15:03 pm] <USM999> I have an extensive knowledge on how they work and how hackers act in these games.
[04:15:05 pm] <[HWK]Defter> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb2dfnOlXdo
[04:15:06 pm] <Laila> Title: ◀| VENGEFULMECH CAUGHT HACKING | GAMEPLAY | HAWKEN |► - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
[04:15:29 pm] <[HWK]Defter> i've only seen the one i linked second
[04:15:39 pm] <ReEvolve> both are golden lol
[04:16:17 pm] -*- hellc9943 dodges and shoots
[04:16:39 pm] <[HWK]Defter> just don't knock the unlimited ammo, we are aware of it already
[04:16:42 pm] <ReEvolve> Hey, USM999, what did you mean when you said "Boosting, shoots, boosting, shoots. There's no way to do this. The game doesn't let you do this. It's an exploit!"
[04:17:46 pm] <USM999> It's either an exploit or a hack that bypasses the boost cooldown.
[04:18:18 pm] <USM999> The players I go against are able to double or even TRIPLE boost without limit.
[04:18:47 pm] <CraftyDus> hi
[04:18:53 pm] <USM999> They literally boosted and don't even touch the ground.
[04:19:04 pm] <CraftyDus> nice to meet you usm999
[04:19:20 pm] <USM999> Because when you touch the ground you have no friction therefore there is no ability to boost.
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[04:19:40 pm] <USM999> You can only air boost or ground boost. Not in-between.
[04:19:47 pm] <ReEvolve> What?
[04:19:58 pm] <CraftyDus> what is in between the air and the ground
[04:20:16 pm] <CraftyDus> I'm not up on my metaphysics
[04:20:37 pm] <foxtrotfire> I'm almost done with watching that 2nd video, I only see a good infil player
[04:20:40 pm] <USM999> You can only boost if both feet are directly contacted to any solid ground.
[04:20:45 pm] <ReEvolve> Can you point us to the time of your vid where that "exploit" is shown?
[04:21:03 pm] <shosca> there's no exploit in that video
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[04:21:27 pm] <USM999> Like I said. It's either an exploit or a HACK.
[04:21:45 pm] <CraftyDus> or the place between where they don't touch
[04:21:48 pm] <USM999> I know all of the names of hacks that are commonly used in FPS games.
[04:21:57 pm] <CraftyDus> jeff
[04:22:00 pm] <CraftyDus> jeff is a name
[04:22:27 pm] <CraftyDus> have you seen these dodgebots lately?!
[04:22:40 pm] <shosca> you mean dogebots?
[04:22:54 pm] <USM999> I will show you the time when he dodged without even once HERING it coming.
[04:23:07 pm] <USM999> It was from a 100% blind spot.
[04:23:20 pm] <USM999> In FPS games you can only see in about 120-180 degrees.
[04:23:31 pm] <USM999> Depending on your FOV.
[04:23:32 pm] <CraftyDus> I try to adjust my mech';s mirror;s to compensate for the fabled blind spot
[04:23:34 pm] <foxtrotfire> are you sure he didn't have a scanner up?
[04:23:42 pm] <shosca> or radar
[04:23:48 pm] <USM999> Dude I never once see him use a scanner.
[04:23:57 pm] <USM999> And even if he did.
[04:24:07 pm] <ReEvolve> hm, it's not like you show up on his minimap if you shoot, dodge, boost or fly
[04:24:11 pm] <USM999> He would be out of range of ever actually using it.
[04:24:20 pm] <CraftyDus> I look at their loadout in deathcam for the ascanner
[04:24:21 pm] <USM999> He literally placed the radar at the OTHER side of the map.
[04:24:23 pm] <[HWK]Defter> using a scanner will not alert the enemy team that you have used a scanner
[04:24:39 pm] <USM999> It makes a loud buzzing noise.
[04:24:51 pm] <USM999> You guys design the scanners so players could find them.
[04:24:54 pm] <shosca> dogebots: http://i.imgur.com/fdakJAN.jpg
[04:24:55 pm] <ReEvolve> anyway, so when's that "miracle dodge" being shown?
[04:25:06 pm] <USM999> To create a balance in the game.
[04:25:14 pm] <CraftyDus> would you guyts believe usm999 is a smurf of mine
[04:25:22 pm] <ReEvolve> hah
[04:25:25 pm] <CraftyDus> I wish
[04:25:28 pm] <CraftyDus> so much
[04:25:35 pm] <USM999> I will give you guys a link.
[04:25:39 pm] <CraftyDus> k
[04:25:41 pm] <[HWK]Defter> epic troll bro, CraftyDus
[04:25:43 pm] <USM999> It allows you to see the same video as I do.
[04:25:44 pm] <CraftyDus> dont link hax plz
[04:25:44 pm] <foxtrotfire> 1st video, at 4 minutes, no hacks, just vanguard antics
[04:26:08 pm] <shosca> CraftyDus: i would've henceforth called you trollmeister
[04:26:24 pm] <USM999> http://www.watch2gether.com/rooms/bfnhk3spxvrpjr4j
[04:26:25 pm] <Laila> Title: watch2gether.com - Watch videos. Together. (at www.watch2gether.com)
[04:26:28 pm] <ReEvolve> tollmeister of the meistertrolls to the max
[04:26:35 pm] <CraftyDus> I don't troll ever really
[04:26:40 pm] <USM999> Basically it will stream the youtube video where veryone can see it.
[04:26:46 pm] <USM999> I am very serious about this.
[04:26:56 pm] <CraftyDus> but he would be the ultimate
[04:27:29 pm] <[HWK]Defter> not enough people in there yet
[04:27:32 pm] <[HWK]Defter> we need more witnesses
[04:27:33 pm] <CraftyDus> one sec
[04:27:45 pm] <foxtrotfire> I don't want to sound like an ass, but it looks like you are just getting outplayed by vengefulmech
[04:28:17 pm] <foxtrotfire> I use almost exactly the same tactics in my vanguard
[04:28:35 pm] <foxtrotfire> and yes, vanguards are fast, as fast as b-classes
[04:30:11 pm] <CraftyDus> maaaaan
[04:30:20 pm] <CraftyDus> if I was vengeful mech I'd be sooo stoked
[04:31:00 pm] <d6chung> :qa!
[04:31:07 pm] <CraftyDus> it's like having a hype man
[04:31:20 pm] <ReEvolve> lol
[04:31:22 pm] <d6chung> Oops, my mouse wandered...
[04:31:34 pm] <shosca> mmmmm vim
[04:31:48 pm] <ReEvolve> USM999: is like:
[04:31:48 pm] <ReEvolve> Once you hit the ground
[04:31:48 pm] <ReEvolve> You take fall damage
[04:31:48 pm] <ReEvolve> plus Speed pnealty
[04:31:59 pm] <[HWK]Defter> well guys, don't think we can argue with his logic
[04:32:17 pm] <shosca> i just went frame by frame the first scout encounter, there's nothing wrong there
[04:32:44 pm] <[HWK]Defter> i wonder if he has actually ever seen a hacker in any game now
[04:32:45 pm] <CraftyDus> I just want to help him\
[04:32:53 pm] <ReEvolve> The devs removed the short slowdown on landing a few patches ago, USM999
[04:32:56 pm] <USM999> I can't catch the guy. He moves so fast.
[04:33:03 pm] <USM999> It's unbelieabley fast.
[04:33:11 pm] <USM999> No cooldown or anything.
[04:33:26 pm] <USM999> I will continue the rest of the video.
[04:33:33 pm] <shosca> reduce your in game sensitivity
[04:33:41 pm] <shosca> mouse*
[04:33:46 pm] <USM999> http://www.watch2gether.com/rooms/bfnhk3spxvrpjr4j
[04:33:47 pm] <Laila> Title: watch2gether.com - Watch videos. Together. (at www.watch2gether.com)
[04:33:55 pm] <USM999> For those of you that want to watch the video
[04:33:59 pm] <[HWK]Defter> not joining that room again
[04:34:03 pm] <[HWK]Defter> you don't understand
[04:34:21 pm] <[HWK]Defter> the people in this room play this game, a lot. they know what is possible. you've not shown us anything that is worthy of calling a hack
[04:34:41 pm] <CraftyDus> I don't even see the code in the matrix anymore...
[04:34:43 pm] <CraftyDus> blonde
[04:34:46 pm] <CraftyDus> brunette
[04:34:46 pm] <ReEvolve> USM999: You don't take fall damage when you fall from your own max hover height to the ground and there's no short slowdown after landing anymore (it was removed).
[04:35:01 pm] <USM999> Even more
[04:35:01 pm] <ShadowGTR> red head
[04:35:07 pm] <USM999> Here is where it gets worse/
[04:35:16 pm] <CraftyDus> where
[04:35:20 pm] <USM999> He is using a commonly known hack called: ESP hack
[04:35:27 pm] <CraftyDus> esp in cs
[04:35:32 pm] <CraftyDus> and dod
[04:35:37 pm] <[HWK]Defter> who is using ESP hack
[04:35:40 pm] <[HWK]Defter> this same guy?
[04:35:49 pm] <USM999> Yep
[04:35:58 pm] <USM999> He knows how much health I have.
[04:36:01 pm] <[HWK]Defter> you've shown us exactly zero proof of anything fishy
[04:36:03 pm] <[HWK]Defter> WUT
[04:36:03 pm] <ReEvolve> you shoot at him and therefore you show up on your radar. Of course he knows where you go
[04:36:04 pm] <USM999> How much fuel I have.
[04:36:06 pm] <CraftyDus> that gun goes straight up
[04:36:08 pm] <USM999> extrasensory perception
[04:36:14 pm] <Ashfire908> is this the first or second vid
[04:36:14 pm] <CraftyDus> its the most recoil in the game
[04:36:17 pm] <USM999> This is what a hacker sees.
[04:36:20 pm] <USM999> I will show you an example.
[04:36:46 pm] <[HWK]Defter> USM999 how many hours of play do you have
[04:36:46 pm] <CraftyDus> I could be playing hawken right now
[04:36:58 pm] <USM999> 70+
[04:37:00 pm] <Laila> New topic(s) in colonyhub: How YOU deal with hackers <https://community.playhawken.com/topic/67623-how-you-deal-with-hackers/>
[04:37:00 pm] <USM999> $120+ spent on this game.
[04:37:20 pm] <USM999> I already made a ticket request to Defter.
[04:37:21 pm] <CraftyDus> I guess welcome to hawken
[04:37:22 pm] <USM999> Anyways
[04:37:26 pm] <USM999> This is a screenshot
[04:37:34 pm] <USM999> Of how an ESP hack looks like
[04:37:36 pm] <USM999> http://oi41.tinypic.com/jpc6t2.jpg
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[04:37:50 pm] <[HWK]Defter> you know how long ago hawken looked like that
[04:37:52 pm] <CraftyDus> old build
[04:37:54 pm] <USM999> You can seee other players as colored boxes.
[04:37:55 pm] <CraftyDus> but ya
[04:37:56 pm] -*- shosca (－‸ლ) 
[04:38:10 pm] <ShadowGTR> dat old ui
[04:38:16 pm] <USM999> Even for an old build. It shows how early hacks have already been developed.
[04:38:19 pm] <Ashfire908> So I haven't read all the backlog
[04:38:21 pm] <shosca> man i miss that old hud
[04:38:21 pm] <Ashfire908> but
[04:38:25 pm] <Ashfire908> USM999, I've seen the majority of hacks in this game first hand. I watched both your videos and saw nothing in either.
[04:38:29 pm] <CraftyDus> ya that hack is still the same
[04:38:40 pm] <CraftyDus> its one of the only two I've come across
[04:38:46 pm] <Ashfire908> I'm the anti-cheat admin for TPG's Hawken division
[04:38:51 pm] <CraftyDus> but nobody in your vid was using it'
[04:38:58 pm] <[HWK]Defter> Ashfire908 has seen some shit
[04:39:12 pm] <Ashfire908> so I should know what's a hack, what's not, and what's questionable
[04:39:12 pm] <CraftyDus> ahem
[04:39:17 pm] <CraftyDus> lol
[04:39:17 pm] <Ashfire908> none of your stuff was questionable
[04:39:17 pm] <USM999> Gee I wish I could see what other players see on THEIR screen.
[04:39:26 pm] <shosca> dude, youre not dodging at all, you're just flying straight to him, of course he's gonna kill you
[04:39:28 pm] <USM999> It's not questionable.
[04:39:32 pm] <USM999> It's ABSOLUTE.
[04:39:36 pm] <Ashfire908> well it's not a hack either
[04:39:37 pm] <ReEvolve> >_>
[04:39:44 pm] <USM999> "Eyes are useless if the mind is blind."
[04:39:52 pm] <[HWK]Defter> anyone want to fall on their sword and join a game with USM999 and reproduce what he sees as impossibru
[04:39:55 pm] <Ashfire908> I'm sorry to inform you but you went up against a good player in dm
[04:39:58 pm] <Ashfire908> and lost
[04:40:02 pm] <USM999> I can show all the evidence you like but facts are facts.
[04:40:06 pm] <ReEvolve> hey, sounds like fun, Defter
[04:40:14 pm] <[HWK]Defter> facts are not facts just because you say they are facts tho
[04:40:18 pm] <ReEvolve> let's do a DM with USM999
[04:40:19 pm] <CraftyDus> only if he promises to follow me around with hack proof of our session for weeks afterwards
[04:40:21 pm] <Ashfire908> high-tier players will seem godlike
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[04:40:49 pm] <[HWK]Defter> i'm focused on something atm but if anyone wants to go with ReEvolve that would be cool
[04:40:51 pm] <USM999> This is why I am no longer playing Hawken starting tomorrow.
[04:40:51 pm] <Ashfire908> I recommend watching some vids of high-tier matches or duels
[04:40:55 pm] <USM999> I pretty much told all of my friends that Hawken is no longer worth playing.
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[04:41:04 pm] <Ashfire908> That is your decision.
[04:41:14 pm] <USM999> It had potential but now...It's proven that all MMOS are the same.
[04:41:16 pm] <[HWK]Defter> USM999 would you be open to some people here showing you what you decide is impossible, is actually possible
[04:41:17 pm] <Ashfire908> Also
[04:41:20 pm] <CraftyDus> well that's just , like...your opinion, maaaan
[04:41:21 pm] <Ashfire908> it's not an mmo
[04:41:23 pm] <[HWK]Defter> mmos?
[04:41:24 pm] <Ashfire908> please stop calling it that
[04:41:34 pm] <Ashfire908> it's a multiplayer game. that does not make it an mmo
[04:41:34 pm] <Ashfire908> lol
[04:41:39 pm] <ReEvolve> it's a FPS. An arena shooter
[04:41:42 pm] <ReEvolve> lol
[04:41:46 pm] <CraftyDus> nah man
[04:41:49 pm] <CraftyDus> all mmos r the same
[04:41:50 pm] <[HWK]Defter> first m in mmo stands for massive, 12 player isn't massive is it?
[04:41:51 pm] <USM999> I feel betrayed that Hawken is the last MMO I will ever ejoy playing but now it's unplayable.
[04:41:53 pm] <Ashfire908> there's no match persistance
[04:41:56 pm] <Zuurkern> how is this massive?
[04:41:58 pm] <shosca> its an arena mech shooter
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[04:42:00 pm] <CraftyDus> this mmo is the worst mmo ever
[04:42:00 pm] <USM999> The hacker count is going to grow guys.
[04:42:01 pm] <Ashfire908> or connected world or anything
[04:42:05 pm] <Zuurkern> it's a pretty niche game
[04:42:07 pm] <ShadowGTR> hawken == mmo? mind blown :p
[04:42:17 pm] <USM999> Mass Multiplayer Online
[04:42:19 pm] <CraftyDus> my 
[04:42:20 pm] <CraftyDus> sides
[04:42:29 pm] <[HWK]Defter> USM999 are you kidding because if you're kidding, and this is a troll attempt i think you take the cake
[04:42:33 pm] <shosca> USM999: i just finished the vanguard frame by frame and there's nothing wrong there too
[04:42:33 pm] <ReEvolve> Mass Multiplayer? 12 players in a server!
[04:42:41 pm] <CraftyDus> lolololol
[04:42:50 pm] <USM999> I am NOT trolling.
[04:42:52 pm] <shosca> i'm not gonna do the rest
[04:42:54 pm] <USM999> Are you SERIOUS?!
[04:42:55 pm] <CraftyDus> I'm so glad I didn't miss this
[04:42:59 pm] <[HWK]Defter> be open with us, USM999
[04:43:02 pm] <USM999> Read your OWN Wikipedia for once.
[04:43:03 pm] <USM999> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawken_%28video_game%29
[04:43:04 pm] <Laila> Title: Hawken (video game) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[04:43:04 pm] <USM999> LOOK!
[04:43:15 pm] <Ashfire908> til we own wikipedia
[04:43:15 pm] <[HWK]Defter> wiki...can be edited by...anyone...
[04:43:20 pm] <CraftyDus> I'm crying
[04:43:24 pm] <USM999> Hawken is a multiplayer mech combat video game developed by Adhesive Games.
[04:43:32 pm] <USM999> MMO
[04:43:32 pm] <hellc9943> hmm i should edit this, hawken is a bird simulator actually
[04:43:33 pm] <shosca> http://xkcd.com/978/
[04:43:34 pm] <Laila> Title: xkcd: Citogenesis (at xkcd.com)
[04:43:35 pm] <USM999> FPSMMO
[04:43:35 pm] <[HWK]Defter> i can change it to say USM999 is good at HAWKEN you will have to beleive me
[04:43:37 pm] <USM999> RTSMMO
[04:43:38 pm] <ReEvolve> Watch it guys, he's the one with " superior intellect,psychological studies and trend forecasting skills" according to his own posts
[04:43:41 pm] <d6chung> [HWK]Defter: I think this is a troll attempt also.
[04:43:54 pm] <CraftyDus> nah I believe he is sincere
[04:44:03 pm] <CraftyDus> he's not trolling
[04:44:04 pm] <Ashfire908> Massively multiplayer online game, a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting hundreds or thousands of players simultaneously
[04:44:10 pm] <USM999> Dude,I am literally on voice chat with my other friends watching this chat.
[04:44:16 pm] <CraftyDus> literally?
[04:44:17 pm] <Ashfire908> hawken has never broken 24
[04:44:30 pm] <[HWK]Defter> i am litterally sitting in the studio that makes HAWKEN
[04:44:32 pm] <shosca> no figuratively
[04:44:33 pm] <USM999> Even they are taking this seriously.
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[04:44:44 pm] <CraftyDus> how many can play simultaneous in that bf4 mmo?
[04:44:46 pm] <emibmw> every sys has a failure
[04:44:58 pm] <CraftyDus> or that cod mmo?
[04:44:59 pm] <USM999> I have played over 30+ MMOS
[04:45:05 pm] <[HWK]Defter> ask them to get in a server, USM999 and some guys from in here will join you, and show you what is possible without hacks
[04:45:10 pm] <CraftyDus> thats a lot of mmos
[04:45:12 pm] <USM999> BF2,BF3,BF4, BFBC2.
[04:45:16 pm] <ReEvolve> xD
[04:45:19 pm] <ReEvolve> oh gosh
[04:45:19 pm] <CraftyDus> lolololol
[04:45:20 pm] <USM999> COD MW 4,5,6
[04:45:25 pm] <CraftyDus> not again
[04:45:29 pm] <ReEvolve> that's all FPS games man
[04:45:30 pm] <[HWK]Defter> whoah, i wonder if BF2 knows its an MMO
[04:45:31 pm] <CraftyDus> so fnny rt now
[04:45:31 pm] <Zuurkern> Ken's Labyrinth
[04:45:37 pm] <USM999> Combat Arms,etc.
[04:45:45 pm] <Ashfire908> MMOs are shit like WoW, Planetside
[04:45:51 pm] <[HWK]Defter> pokemon, mmo for sure
[04:45:58 pm] <Ashfire908> not stuff like CoD or battlefield
[04:46:05 pm] <[HWK]Defter> DAOC... WoW...
[04:46:06 pm] <USM999> Any game
[04:46:06 pm] <CraftyDus> rly ash? have you played OVER 30+
[04:46:13 pm] <USM999> That has multiplayer players
[04:46:19 pm] <USM999> And large servers
[04:46:22 pm] <CraftyDus> oh lawd
[04:46:26 pm] <CraftyDus> geebus
[04:46:28 pm] <Ashfire908> define 'large'
[04:46:30 pm] <USM999> And you PAY for digital content
[04:46:36 pm] <USM999> Is considered an MMO
[04:46:37 pm] <[HWK]Defter> it's not called LMO
[04:46:39 pm] <[HWK]Defter> its called MMO
[04:46:43 pm] <USM999> PERIOD.
[04:46:47 pm] <ReEvolve> USM999: all those things have nothing to do with the definition of MMO
[04:46:49 pm] <CraftyDus> messin round wid dese bootleg fire works
[04:47:12 pm] <USM999> "A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMO and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously. By necessity, they are played on the Internet. MMOs usually have at least one persistent world, however some games differ."
[04:47:21 pm] <CraftyDus> I love it
[04:47:26 pm] <Ashfire908> large is 100+
[04:47:29 pm] <Ashfire908> at least
[04:47:30 pm] <shosca> STAPH
[04:47:33 pm] <CraftyDus> I will fly you to my wedding
[04:47:33 pm] <Ashfire908> sigh
[04:47:37 pm] <ShadowGTR> anybody else want some popcorn?
[04:47:41 pm] <Zuurkern> yes please
[04:47:47 pm] <Zuurkern> anything to make this bearable
[04:47:48 pm] <[HWK]Defter> USM999 can you get your voice chat friends in here
[04:47:48 pm] <shosca> ShadowGTR: i already have some :)
[04:47:48 pm] <CraftyDus> you are going to give the best reception spoeech ever
[04:47:56 pm] <shosca> ShadowGTR: see i was prepared
[04:47:58 pm] <[HWK]Defter> we need more people like USM999
[04:48:04 pm] <foxtrotfire> gimme some ShadowGTR
[04:48:06 pm] <[HWK]Defter> keeping us on our toes
[04:48:16 pm] <ReEvolve> "A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMO and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game
[04:48:16 pm] <ReEvolve> Hawken's max amount of players in a server is 24.
[04:48:18 pm] <Laila> Title: Massively multiplayer online game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
[04:48:28 pm] -*- ShadowGTR hands out some popcorn.
[04:48:36 pm] <USM999> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mmorpg
[04:48:38 pm] <ReEvolve> "a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting hundreds or thousands of players simultaneously"
[04:48:44 pm] <CraftyDus> ever once in a great while you will spot a cheater
[04:49:00 pm] <CraftyDus> within a day people will have submitted videos of them to the devs
[04:49:08 pm] <shosca> TIL that 12 people in a server is MASSIVE
[04:49:20 pm] <CraftyDus> pretty soon they don't  play anymore
[04:49:31 pm] <ShadowGTR> those 12 people are the internet
[04:49:31 pm] <USM999> I'm sorry to say this but people ike Defter ad this community being blind really hurts me.
[04:49:32 pm] <CraftyDus> because they get banned
[04:49:34 pm] <USM999> It really does.
[04:49:37 pm] <CraftyDus> for cheating
[04:49:37 pm] <Ashfire908> USM999, bro there are cheaters in Hawken. That's not disputed. But you don't really know the difference between aimbots/hackers and skill
[04:49:41 pm] <ReEvolve> ANYWAY, stahp. Let's not talk about symantics all day.
[04:49:58 pm] <Ashfire908> players with hacks have terrible positioning
[04:50:07 pm] <Ashfire908> they rely on the hacks
[04:50:09 pm] <USM999> There are always hackers in every game.
[04:50:17 pm] <CraftyDus> even the mmos?
[04:50:19 pm] <Ashfire908> it's their crutch
[04:50:24 pm] <USM999> The problem is the ability to take ACTION against them.
[04:50:36 pm] <Ashfire908> Action is taken against people that are actually hacking
[04:50:38 pm] <USM999> Diseases and Disease Control
[04:50:41 pm] <hellc9943> revolution action
[04:50:43 pm] <shosca> USM999: you have no proof in that video dude
[04:50:49 pm] <ReEvolve> USM999, you are absolute convinced that VengefulWhatever is haking, right? It's sad to see that you don't even read the replies on watchever anymore.
[04:50:58 pm] <ReEvolve> *watch2gether
[04:51:13 pm] <USM999> Dude I have to read conversations on both my monitors.
[04:51:15 pm] <[HWK]Defter> anyone have a link to a real hacker to share
[04:51:15 pm] <USM999> Hard to keep up.
[04:51:24 pm] <ReEvolve> Ok, I'll post it here as well
[04:51:33 pm] <Ashfire908> [HWK]Defter, one moment
[04:51:39 pm] <[HWK]Defter> thank you sir, Ashfire908
[04:51:45 pm] <Saturnine> I'd jump in with re to play, if my computer wouldn't turn off in the process. :|
[04:51:51 pm] <Ashfire908> lemme unprivate some
[04:51:59 pm] <[HWK]Defter> USM999, Ashfire908 is going to produce a video of actual hacker footage in the wild
[04:52:05 pm] <ShadowGTR> lol
[04:52:08 pm] <CraftyDus> as an ac admin in TPG for years , no single ac admin get's to unilaterally decide there is cheating, a kabal of admins have to have matching times, multiple instances to indisputably issue suspensions
[04:52:09 pm] <ReEvolve> You mentioned that the Vanguard instantly knew where you were after you shot your Hellfires. Do you know that you show up as a red dot on his minimap if you shoot?
[04:52:16 pm] <ReEvolve> USM999 ^
[04:52:17 pm] <USM999> There are blantant open hackers.
[04:52:22 pm] <[HWK]Defter> you will see the certain differences between the species of good players and the species of hackers, they are similar but there are for sure differences
[04:52:24 pm] <USM999> And there are SUBTLE hackers.
[04:52:31 pm] <USM999> Also known as closet hackers.
[04:52:43 pm] <Ashfire908> that's true
[04:52:43 pm] <CraftyDus> I'm accustomed to listen to others even when I feel I've timed a damning demo
[04:52:46 pm] <USM999> They hack and cheat enough NOT to set off any alarms.
[04:52:55 pm] <USM999> Esepcially in statistics such as KDR.
[04:53:38 pm] <CraftyDus> a kdr stat of what would indicate cheating to you?
[04:53:41 pm] <[HWK]Defter> anyone in here who is compedative will tell you that there is a thing called muscle memory, when you play for long enough you get atuned to how people play and it can SEEM hacky but in reality you are just predictable
[04:53:43 pm] <Ashfire908> http://youtu.be/s7yCBKSQKGA that's an aimbot I recorded this from spectator mode
[04:53:45 pm] <Laila> Title: Hawken aimbot proof [edited] - YouTube (at youtu.be)
[04:54:01 pm] <USM999> I feel betrayed man. I am sorry to say this but I really feel betrayed.
[04:54:04 pm] <Ashfire908> "why did you edit it" cause some personal shit was announced from my email
[04:54:08 pm] <CraftyDus> ya invite guys seem to know your inner most thoughts
[04:54:14 pm] <ReEvolve> Hey, so, uhm, USM999. You mentioned that the Vanguard instantly knew where you were after you shot your Hellfires. Do you know that you show up as a red dot on his minimap if you shoot?
[04:54:18 pm] <CraftyDus> but you can too with practice
[04:54:19 pm] <USM999> Not a single transparent and honest game companies.
[04:54:23 pm] <[HWK]Defter> USM999 listen to reason, i asked you in here to show you that your idea of proof is not proof
[04:54:32 pm] <USM999> I know about the RADAR IDIOT.
[04:54:38 pm] <emibmw> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j0MtkaQ7No
[04:54:38 pm] <USM999> It's in all FPS games.
[04:54:38 pm] <Laila> Title: Hawken Hack Aimbot Cheat SystemCheats net - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
[04:54:52 pm] <USM999> COD does it,BF does it.
[04:54:56 pm] <CraftyDus> add me in game usm999, GAryFlyAndTheGirls
[04:55:00 pm] <USM999> Even CS:GO does it.
[04:55:09 pm] <CraftyDus> lets play and see if we can spot a hacker
[04:55:12 pm] <CraftyDus> together
[04:55:26 pm] <ReEvolve> SO, why did you complain about him knowing where you were after shooting at him?
[04:56:11 pm] <Ashfire908> This user is speedhacking, and was banned from the game https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aD3zbC5MaxY
[04:56:12 pm] <Laila> Title: Hawken - Hacker (?) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
[04:56:18 pm] <ReEvolve> You mentioned a bunch of times that he knew where you were but you were boosting or shooting beforehand.
[04:56:20 pm] <-> bacon_work is now known as bacon_avenger
[04:56:22 pm] <Ashfire908> the previous vid those hackers were banned too
[04:56:28 pm] <[HWK]Defter> bacon you have great timing
[04:56:28 pm] <USM999> If employees like Defter treat their loyal customers like this.
[04:56:35 pm] <CraftyDus> I'll add you and send you an invite to party
[04:56:44 pm] <[HWK]Defter> USM999 the people in here are loyal
[04:56:47 pm] <USM999> Censoring negative posts on both the Hawken forums and hawken steam forums.
[04:56:56 pm] <USM999> It's not the PEOPLE.
[04:56:59 pm] <ReEvolve> "loyal" => "I don't even get a reward!"
[04:57:03 pm] <CraftyDus> added ya bro
[04:57:03 pm] <USM999> It's your CUSTOMERS.
[04:57:07 pm] <CraftyDus> lates play
[04:57:13 pm] <Ashfire908> You think we are lying to you?
[04:57:18 pm] <USM999> Your customers thar are PAYING the bills for this game.
[04:57:30 pm] <[HWK]Defter> USM999 you broke a rule so i hid your topic....
[04:57:34 pm] <ReEvolve> Ash, we are all liars.
[04:57:42 pm] <Ashfire908> ReEvolve, I noticed
[04:57:53 pm] <[HWK]Defter> loyal = customers = liars = hackers
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[04:58:20 pm] <USM999> Even my friends are afraid of coming into the chat.
[04:58:27 pm] <USM999> Or posting on the forums.
[04:58:42 pm] <USM999> Because you will BAN them for speaking out against the company.
[04:58:44 pm] <Ashfire908> look
[04:58:46 pm] <Saturnine> There's no reason to be afraid of any such thing, unless you're breaking the rules
[04:58:51 pm] <Ashfire908> you are deluding yourself
[04:58:54 pm] <ReEvolve> Hey, don't forget that USM999 is the guy with "superior intellect, psychological studies and trend forecasting skills" according to his own posts
[04:58:56 pm] <Saturnine> Do you have any idea how many people speak against the company every day?
[04:59:04 pm] <Ashfire908> the second your post went down
[04:59:15 pm] <Ashfire908> you went searching for ANY instances of 'censorship'
[04:59:17 pm] <Saturnine> Some of the most prolific posters on the forums speak against the company openly in almost every one of their posts.
[04:59:33 pm] <CraftyDus> I actually started speaking out against people speaking out
[04:59:34 pm] <ReEvolve> USM999: you weren't banned so why would your friends get banned?
[04:59:37 pm] <Ashfire908> trying to back up your arguement of some pervesave problem
[04:59:39 pm] <CraftyDus> someone called me outspoken
[04:59:55 pm] <-> bacon_avenger is now known as bacon_work
[04:59:56 pm] <Ashfire908> You don't want to admit to yourself that you may be wrong
[05:00:00 pm] <Ashfire908> how could you be wrong
[05:00:09 pm] <CraftyDus> he cant be
[05:00:12 pm] <Ashfire908> ergo you try to reenforce that you are right
[05:00:17 pm] <ReEvolve> He can't be wrong. Everyone must be lying.
[05:00:20 pm] <CraftyDus> that's the condition fellow doctor
[05:00:24 pm] <Ashfire908> this is basic human nature
[05:00:28 pm] <Ashfire908> no one wants to be wrong
[05:00:30 pm] <ReEvolve> He's clearly the most knowledgable
[05:00:37 pm] <Ashfire908> but I'm sorry to say in this case you are wrong.
[05:00:43 pm] <CraftyDus> yiuo arent sorry
[05:00:48 pm] <ShadowGTR> the prescription is more cowbell
[05:00:51 pm] <CraftyDus> lol
[05:01:02 pm] <shosca> ShadowGTR: enjoying that popcorn?
[05:01:03 pm] <ReEvolve> He knows the game better than the people with a couple hundred hours and competitive league experience
[05:01:07 pm] <Ashfire908> ...I think he left
[05:01:18 pm] <ShadowGTR> shosca: yes i am
[05:01:20 pm] <USM999> I am still here.
[05:01:23 pm] <Ashfire908> oh ok
[05:01:25 pm] <CraftyDus> come play with me
[05:01:31 pm] <Saturnine> We all acknowledge that hackers exist, dude, but we're trying to say that the person you are claiming to be a hacker shows none of the signs, to us, of being a hacker
[05:01:34 pm] <CraftyDus> I'm in game now
[05:01:36 pm] <bacon_work> [HWK]Defter:  My desktop machine decided that moment to put it's fingers in it's ears and say lalala-I-can't-hear-you :P
[05:01:37 pm] <Ashfire908> it lags sometimes when people close the page and tells us they left lioke 5 mins later
[05:01:42 pm] <USM999> Problem is there is no point with arguing with people that cannot read nor listen.
[05:01:44 pm] <USM999> http://bf4central.com/2013/11/dice-tries-silence-battlefield-4-critics-official-forums/
[05:01:44 pm] <CraftyDus> this is very interesting but its eating into my gametime
[05:01:45 pm] <Laila> Title: DICE tries to silence Battlefield 4 critics on official forums (at bf4central.com)
[05:02:01 pm] <shosca> USM999: it is YOU who is not listening dude
[05:02:06 pm] <USM999> I got banned from the Battlefield forums for speaking negatively about BF4.
[05:02:09 pm] <CraftyDus> you know a player named Sibberus USM999?
[05:02:15 pm] <USM999> I listen but I do not OBEY.
[05:02:16 pm] <Ashfire908> are you banned from the hawken forums?
[05:02:17 pm] <Saturnine> There are plenty of critics on the hawken forums who haven't been banned
[05:02:22 pm] <Saturnine> Including you
[05:02:22 pm] <USM999> Huge difference kids.
[05:02:27 pm] <shosca> stf does that even mean?
[05:02:30 pm] <Ashfire908> 'kids'
[05:02:39 pm] <Ashfire908> how old are you
[05:02:49 pm] <ReEvolve> He thinks he's better than everyone. :)
[05:02:53 pm] <Saturnine> Your one thread was deleted because it was specifically breaking a rule
[05:02:55 pm] <bacon_work> If anyone was going to be banned for speaking out against ADH and Hawken, AJK would have been booted long ago :P
[05:02:57 pm] <bacon_work> Just saying
[05:03:07 pm] <Saturnine> You can post and speak against the devs all you want, so long as you don't break a rule.
[05:03:18 pm] <Saturnine> There are plenty of people who take advantage of the situation and do exactly that.
[05:03:18 pm] <Ashfire908> if you think we are all 12 year olds on the internet you are wrong
[05:03:22 pm] <USM999> I don't think. I am AWARE.
[05:03:29 pm] <Saturnine> wat
[05:03:34 pm] <ShadowGTR> ?
[05:03:46 pm] <shosca> again, wtf does that even mean?
[05:04:02 pm] <CraftyDus> are you AWARE I'm trying to get a game in with you?
[05:04:06 pm] <Saturnine> Oh no, he saw me on stream and noticed I look like I'm 12
[05:04:11 pm] <Ashfire908> lol s9
[05:04:12 pm] <ShadowGTR> lol
[05:04:14 pm] <ReEvolve> Woah, guys, his superior intellect is showing!
[05:04:16 pm] <Ashfire908> dat baby face
[05:04:16 pm] <USM999> Do you think you can lift 100 pounds or do you KNOW you can lift 100 pounds?
[05:04:32 pm] <Ashfire908> did you legit just ask how much can we lift
[05:04:39 pm] <ShadowGTR> he just pulled out the "do you even lift"
[05:04:41 pm] <USM999> Difference between speculation and AWARENESS.
[05:04:43 pm] <ReEvolve> xD
[05:04:48 pm] <USM999> No you idiot.
[05:04:48 pm] <shosca> i think you have horrible aim and dont know when/how to dodge
[05:04:59 pm] <CraftyDus> I actually do workout between hawken tdms
[05:05:00 pm] <Saturnine> Do you think anyone thousands of miles from you has an age that you have arbitrarily decided they have, or are you just aware of that beforehand?
[05:05:00 pm] <Ashfire908> Why am I an idiot
[05:05:03 pm] <USM999> If I said that you can solve a puzzle or fix a car.
[05:05:05 pm] <CraftyDus> its like part of my routine
[05:05:08 pm] <ReEvolve> Whoa, no insults, please.
[05:05:08 pm] <USM999> Do you think or do you KNOW?
[05:05:15 pm] <CraftyDus> I do the 300
[05:05:19 pm] <Saturnine> I don't KNOW what you are!
[05:05:19 pm] <CraftyDus> and play hawken
[05:05:26 pm] <Saturnine> You could be male or female or 10 or 50
[05:05:28 pm] <Saturnine> I don't know
[05:05:33 pm] <Saturnine> I get to trust you based on what you say
[05:05:34 pm] <[HWK]Defter> i'm pretty sure i can lift 100 pounds because i do it very often, but then again i don't know that i have ever proved that the 100lbs i think i am lifting is actually 100lbs...then again i would have to verify my scale...and then verify the verification method
[05:05:40 pm] <CraftyDus> he's a bro
[05:05:45 pm] <USM999> Like I said before.
[05:05:47 pm] <CraftyDus> watched his yt vids
[05:05:50 pm] <USM999> Know your capabilities.
[05:06:00 pm] <USM999> And remove any doubt.
[05:06:20 pm] <Saturnine> We all know what age we are ourselves, but none of us claim to know the same about anyone else, dude.
[05:06:27 pm] <Ashfire908> USM999, do you know your capabilities to know hacks when you see them in Hawken?
[05:06:33 pm] <USM999> Yessss
[05:06:46 pm] <Ashfire908> Have you held a position to actually decide if someone is or isn't?
[05:07:18 pm] <USM999> Let me make it easier for you.
[05:07:39 pm] <USM999> I have used hacks before in FPS games.
[05:07:44 pm] <Ashfire908> So have I
[05:07:52 pm] <USM999> I know when someone is cheating when you have cheated before.
[05:08:04 pm] <USM999> It's a matter of experience and perspective.
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[05:08:20 pm] <USM999> A doctor can identify another doctor.
[05:08:23 pm] <Ashfire908> wow lol
[05:08:23 pm] <shosca> USM999: i don't care if you did, show us the evidence, you're just speculating
[05:08:27 pm] <ReEvolve> USM999: How much experience do you have with Hawken then?
[05:08:42 pm] <USM999> I literally was going to make a Hawken video series.
[05:08:52 pm] <USM999> Like how I did in Battlefield Heroes.
[05:08:56 pm] <USM999> This is my BFH channel
[05:09:04 pm] <Saturnine> As a person with a bachelors degree, I am physically and mentally incapable of just knowing whether or not someone else has a degree based upon looking at them.
[05:09:08 pm] <Saturnine> Much less from across the internet.
[05:09:23 pm] <CraftyDus> but are you AWARE
[05:09:29 pm] <shosca> lol
[05:09:39 pm] <USM999> https://www.youtube.com/user/UNTVBFH/
[05:09:39 pm] <ReEvolve> hehehe
[05:09:40 pm] <Laila> Title: The Under Network - BFH - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
[05:09:48 pm] <USM999> It is called "critical thinking".
[05:09:52 pm] <Saturnine> I could ask them, and they could tell me, but even then I can't know for sure unless I see the diploma.
[05:09:53 pm] <hellc9943> i can look at people just by looking at them
[05:09:56 pm] <shosca> CraftyDus: dont forget that you don't OBEY
[05:09:56 pm] <USM999> Thinking beyond normal means.
[05:09:58 pm] <ReEvolve> lol, that guy advertises his channel inbetween
[05:10:17 pm] <USM999> I was planning on supporting Hawken in the past.
[05:10:17 pm] <Saturnine> Alright, I work a job currently that means I see many people a day.
[05:10:27 pm] <Ashfire908> USM999, I'm sorry to tell you but your channel or influance will not make or break hawken
[05:10:30 pm] <USM999> And making a Youtube channel of all the weapons and mechs.
[05:10:44 pm] <Saturnine> I can critically look at them, and in fact, I have to, because I have to remember each and every person and be able to give an effective description of them to someone else if necessary.
[05:10:54 pm] <Saturnine> I do not discern their diploma-havingness in this process
[05:10:57 pm] <Ashfire908> that's the harsh truth
[05:11:06 pm] <USM999> I can assure you that your customers and your POTENTIAL customers will make that decicion with their WALLETS.
[05:11:19 pm] <Ashfire908> USM999, then go do so
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[05:11:33 pm] <CraftyDus> I keep deciding to buy cool looking shit for my mechs/accounts
[05:11:34 pm] <Saturnine> Man, what's with all the new people suddenly visiting for the first time today?
[05:11:36 pm] <Ashfire908> I don't think there's any way either of us will change our minds in this situation
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[05:12:06 pm] <ShadowGTR> Saturnine: they could smell the popcorn :p
[05:12:08 pm] <bacon_work> Heya hughes \o
[05:12:09 pm] <Saturnine> That wasn't meant to be a 'go away' to him. :(
[05:12:21 pm] <USM999> Like in the developement of the Berling wall.
[05:12:40 pm] <USM999> People decided to vote with their feet and headed WEST.
[05:12:47 pm] <Ashfire908> uhm
[05:12:50 pm] <Saturnine> uh
[05:12:53 pm] <shosca> more nonsense
[05:12:54 pm] <Ashfire908> you are deluded
[05:12:55 pm] <hellc9943> this is getting better
[05:12:56 pm] <ShadowGTR> o.o
[05:12:58 pm] <Ashfire908> just saying
[05:13:01 pm] <USM999> Brush up on history you IDIOTS.
[05:13:09 pm] <Ashfire908> you should chill out
[05:13:11 pm] <ReEvolve> http://www.chasecaseco.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/2170431-look_at_him_look_at_him_and_laugh.gif
[05:13:21 pm] <CraftyDus> in the history of hawken, you are an original sir
[05:13:23 pm] <USM999> The Berling Wall started the COLD WAR conflict.
[05:13:28 pm] <CraftyDus> don't ever change
[05:13:32 pm] <USM999> Capitalist vs Communism.
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[05:13:40 pm] <CraftyDus> * shhh pushes finger to his lips
[05:13:42 pm] <CraftyDus> dont 
[05:13:42 pm] <CraftyDus> ever
[05:13:44 pm] <CraftyDus> change
[05:13:46 pm] <hellc9943> ick bin ein berlinger!
[05:13:53 pm] <shosca> and this has got to do with vengeful hacking how?
[05:13:53 pm] <ReEvolve> Uh, yeah, we are talking about Hawken, mate. How did you end up talking about the cold war?
[05:14:13 pm] <CraftyDus> because theres the digress to hitler in arguement constant
[05:14:13 pm] <USM999> It is an example.
[05:14:16 pm] <ReEvolve> oh wait, superior intellect and stuff
[05:14:19 pm] <CraftyDus> where we are headed
[05:14:59 pm] <-* Ashfire908 has kicked USM999 from #hawkenscrim (You are either a massive troll or a massively clueless. Anything else here will just be personal attacks towards you or personal attacks towards us. This is not a ban. You are free to return. However I recommend you cool off first and come back to your senses.)