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| 0.0 | 9.0 | Three men who previously served in the military are set to speak publicly about what they saw in this guy and heard behind closed doors. | |
| 9.0 | 10.0 | All right, what more? | |
| 10.0 | 11.0 | Guy and the light team. | |
| 11.0 | 15.0 | They have let in. Fifteen people from the public. | |
| 15.0 | 24.0 | There was David Grash, who's a former intelligence official, he has knowledge of a covert government program to recover crashed alien spacecraft. | |
| 25.0 | 32.0 | You saw me sweared or affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, though all truth and nothing but the truth. So help you guys. | |
| 32.0 | 39.0 | That is David Grash, a former Afghanistan combat veteran in 14 year high ranking intelligence office. | |
| 39.0 | 40.0 | Hey, how are you? | |
| 40.0 | 41.0 | I'm a businessman. | |
| 41.0 | 42.0 | You've got a light man. | |
| 42.0 | 50.0 | In 2019, he was tasked by the Pentagon to investigate UFOs as part of the unidentified anomalous phenomena task force. | |
| 50.0 | 56.0 | I had to interest in UFOs or whatever, but I thought it would be kind of an interesting thing to see what was going on. | |
| 56.0 | 65.0 | During his investigation, Grash started doing cover a program that was being systematically hidden from him, the American public and our elected representatives. | |
| 65.0 | 68.0 | We're done with the cover up and we're going to get to the bottom of a dead gamut. | |
| 68.0 | 77.0 | A program whose mandate was to find and retrieve crashed UFOs and attempt to rebuild them into functional vehicles that humans can fly. | |
| 77.0 | 80.0 | And I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, well, this is a thing. | |
| 80.0 | 90.0 | Thanks to new UFO whistleblower protections, Grash gave comprehensive documentation about these programs to the Inspector General in the summer of 22. | |
| 90.0 | 104.0 | He had brought people on the secret UFO programs directly to meet the Inspector General's team and had even given the staff the names of the aerospace companies involved in these programs and the locations where the UFOs were ostensibly being kept. | |
| 104.0 | 110.0 | I found my complaint, I told him who that interview and you know, they ultimately were like, holy shit, this is incredible. | |
| 110.0 | 116.0 | In June of 23, he outed himself to the public, giving news nation and the debrief exclusive interviews. | |
| 116.0 | 120.0 | Do we have bodies? Do we have spacey? | |
| 120.0 | 127.0 | Naturally, when you recover something that's either landed or crashed, sometimes you encounter dead pilots. | |
| 128.0 | 132.0 | Then in late July he testified before Congress in Washington, D.C. | |
| 132.0 | 135.0 | The hearing was a wild moment in history. | |
| 135.0 | 140.0 | Yup, there I am with a Mark Handle from the second best YouTube channel online. Yes, there. | |
| 140.0 | 151.0 | If you want instant inspiration and exposure to untold human stories across the world, throw them a subscription and stay tuned for their UFO documentary, including Dave coming soon. | |
| 151.0 | 157.0 | I've known Dave for about two years when we were introduced by a mutual friend who had served on the Air Force with him. | |
| 157.0 | 163.0 | And through many of phone calls, he's put up with my wild speculations on the truth behind UFOs. | |
| 163.0 | 167.0 | Sometimes I'm like hanging up the phone, call me to my own, I don't know about that. | |
| 167.0 | 169.0 | I think he's really good. | |
| 173.0 | 179.0 | During the beat up to the hearing and in its aftermath, we were granted exclusive access. | |
| 180.0 | 188.0 | We actually held the first and only public hearing with Dave and 20 young guest theory fans in Washington, D.C. after the congressional. | |
| 188.0 | 195.0 | We traveled with him, hike the mountains of Colorado, got covered in dust on ATVs, | |
| 195.0 | 198.0 | and hung out with some llamas. | |
| 198.0 | 202.0 | The name of the llama, the name of the llama, the name of the llama of the boy. | |
| 202.0 | 208.0 | And of course, at a long form conversation, we discussed the history of covert UFO research programs. | |
| 208.0 | 217.0 | Their connection with Robert Oppenheimer in the Manhattan Project, white presidents, and elected officials may have been shielded from the UFO secrets in the past. | |
| 217.0 | 224.0 | And of course, his best theories as to how these UFOs fly, who their occupants are, and why they're here. | |
| 227.0 | 234.0 | While you'll see a candid side of Dave that you've never seen before, he's still somewhat limited in what he can and can't say. | |
| 234.0 | 238.0 | I don't get into specifics, I don't want to get into that. I can't really. | |
| 238.0 | 240.0 | Can't go really beyond. Can't make a personal. | |
| 240.0 | 242.0 | Yeah, I don't know. | |
| 242.0 | 247.0 | If anything slips that wasn't pre-approved by the defense department, he could literally go to jail. | |
| 247.0 | 251.0 | But there's a lot of pretty insane new stuff he does. | |
| 251.0 | 254.0 | Manhattan Project, they were kind of the first blue book. | |
| 254.0 | 260.0 | Do you think Bobo's art is full of shit? Have we made any agreements with any of the aliens? | |
| 260.0 | 263.0 | You have a sense of, you know, the species. | |
| 263.0 | 275.0 | And if you combine our open-source research with his revelations, you can actually piece together a sort of coherent picture of what's going on with UFOs and human attempts to reverse engineer them. | |
| 275.0 | 277.0 | Buckle up, I guess. | |
| 277.0 | 281.0 | So without further ado, this is the Adam Bomb of American Alchemy episodes. | |
| 281.0 | 287.0 | It's been marinating for months, and it was executed with Manhattan Project's style secrecy. | |
| 287.0 | 290.0 | All of the crew members weren't allowed to disclose what they were working on. | |
| 290.0 | 295.0 | But I'm so excited that it's finally dropping and you are here to see it. | |
| 295.0 | 308.0 | So get your radiation goggles on, hit subscribe, and brace yourselves for a brain dump of everything you've ever wanted to know about UFOs from today's American Alchemist David Grush. | |
| 314.0 | 315.0 | Everyone part of the brain. | |
| 315.0 | 316.0 | Have different activities. | |
| 316.0 | 318.0 | Put you the little don't you? | |
| 321.0 | 322.0 | People are getting along. | |
| 322.0 | 324.0 | Maybe you should interview me. | |
| 341.0 | 342.0 | Hey man. | |
| 342.0 | 343.0 | Hey man. | |
| 343.0 | 344.0 | That's how it. | |
| 344.0 | 345.0 | Crazy dad. | |
| 345.0 | 346.0 | Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| 347.0 | 350.0 | So what happened yesterday didn't read the news? | |
| 350.0 | 352.0 | My name is David Charles Grush. | |
| 352.0 | 355.0 | I was an intelligence officer for 14 years. | |
| 355.0 | 361.0 | I was my agency's co-lead and unidentified anomalous phenomena and transmedium object analysis, | |
| 361.0 | 368.0 | as well as reporting to the UAP Task Force, UAPTF, and eventually once it was established, | |
| 368.0 | 371.0 | the all-dermain anomaly resolution office arrow. | |
| 371.0 | 374.0 | Why were you placed on the UAPTF and the UAPTF? | |
| 374.0 | 378.0 | People that don't know is unidentified anomalous phenomena and transmedium. | |
| 378.0 | 379.0 | Yeah. | |
| 379.0 | 384.0 | The UAP Task Force director funneled over quest through the opposite or like, hey, is there any | |
| 384.0 | 395.0 | Intel officer for your, you know, your agency would be willing to, you know, be representative on the task force to kind of fill that void with expertise from an arrow in the air force. | |
| 395.0 | 399.0 | And my boss got the email, he forwarded it to me and he's like, do you want to do this? | |
| 399.0 | 401.0 | And I thought, well, I'm a reserveist. | |
| 401.0 | 405.0 | I just did, like, I could put it on my performance report that I worked on like a task force. | |
| 405.0 | 406.0 | Yeah. | |
| 406.0 | 409.0 | I thought it'd be kind of an interesting thing to see what was going on. | |
| 409.0 | 416.0 | When did you start to realize that you weren't just kind of looking at, you know, anomalous phenomena and trying to classify it in the air, | |
| 416.0 | 423.0 | but you were being sort of systematically lied to about an internal reverse engineering program within the government? | |
| 423.0 | 424.0 | Yeah. | |
| 424.0 | 429.0 | I mean, certainly going into it, I thought it was going to be, you know, air trash, | |
| 429.0 | 432.0 | some perzeignational natural phenomena. | |
| 432.0 | 438.0 | I remember starting interviewing some military members, it saw some really profound stuff, like, you know, large, | |
| 438.0 | 445.0 | you know, trying to get their craft, you know, football field size, that they hovered over them, and I was like, | |
| 445.0 | 448.0 | whoa, you know, and these people are very serious. | |
| 448.0 | 453.0 | Very upset to actually divulge that, you know, a personal thing, you know, | |
| 453.0 | 454.0 | it's nothing classified. | |
| 454.0 | 457.0 | It was a personal observation they had on a drive to work. | |
| 457.0 | 464.0 | And then, you know, one thing led to another, I had, you know, certain colleagues of mine that I know for years approached me, | |
| 464.0 | 469.0 | you know, close the door in my office and was like, look, you need to know about some other stuff. | |
| 469.0 | 473.0 | You guys are not, you know, getting access to, you know, and, you know, kind of, | |
| 473.0 | 474.0 | let down. | |
| 474.0 | 476.0 | Why do you think they talked? | |
| 476.0 | 477.0 | Why do you think they spoke to you? | |
| 477.0 | 483.0 | Yeah, I think a lot of these guys were, you know, they've kept the secret for so many years. | |
| 483.0 | 487.0 | They knew me, they knew what I was looking into, you know, we reported to the, you know, | |
| 487.0 | 491.0 | deputy secretary defense in Congress at the time with the UAP Task Force. | |
| 491.0 | 494.0 | And, and I think they wanted some change. | |
| 494.0 | 498.0 | At least that's what they exposed to me is why do you think they wanted to change? | |
| 498.0 | 502.0 | You know, they, they felt that they were kind of limited and bringing people in, | |
| 502.0 | 507.0 | the support they were getting, their treatment was harsh sometimes. | |
| 507.0 | 510.0 | And I guess they weren't really feeling the love anymore. | |
| 510.0 | 515.0 | What's the first moment where you saw every beautiful evidence that what you're dealing with is, | |
| 515.0 | 517.0 | is truth is reality? | |
| 517.0 | 523.0 | I mean, there were certain military cases, you know, we were analyzing that I just really couldn't | |
| 523.0 | 525.0 | explain in a prosaic fashion. | |
| 525.0 | 528.0 | What can you tell me about these craft? | |
| 528.0 | 529.0 | Why do you know it's exotic? | |
| 529.0 | 534.0 | Based on the very specific properties that I was briefed on, you know, | |
| 534.0 | 539.0 | isotopic ratios that would have to be engineered for it to be at those levels. | |
| 539.0 | 542.0 | And then of course, you know, read some, you know, | |
| 542.0 | 545.0 | Intel reports that were provided to me in that regard. | |
| 545.0 | 547.0 | And, you know, I took that. | |
| 547.0 | 551.0 | I went to the agencies that, you know, wrote those reports and asked for access. | |
| 551.0 | 554.0 | And when I, when they did not you access and you know, it's a thing. | |
| 554.0 | 559.0 | So it's, and that's what happened to me time after time over a couple years. | |
| 559.0 | 563.0 | So like, there wasn't a singular moment where you're like, | |
| 563.0 | 566.0 | just open the folder and you go, what the fuck is that? | |
| 567.0 | 573.0 | It was kind of like a slow burn culmination as I was processing it, you know, | |
| 573.0 | 578.0 | allowing my world view to open and, yeah, I don't know if there was a singular | |
| 578.0 | 579.0 | moment. | |
| 579.0 | 583.0 | I think it was, you know, some of the really, really trusted high level people we | |
| 583.0 | 586.0 | talked to when they, you know, stared a straight in the face very | |
| 586.0 | 590.0 | seriously and, you know, confirmed a lot of this information. | |
| 590.0 | 594.0 | And the quality of people we talked to, if they ever go public, | |
| 594.0 | 597.0 | you know, below your mind who we talked to. | |
| 597.0 | 601.0 | I was like, wow, I can't believe I'm talking to X who's a really important person. | |
| 601.0 | 605.0 | And they're confirming these certain details and they're saying like, you know, | |
| 605.0 | 607.0 | we need to protect this at all costs and they're giving me kind of the whole | |
| 607.0 | 609.0 | speech about it. | |
| 609.0 | 610.0 | And I'm sitting there. | |
| 610.0 | 611.0 | It's like an out of body experience. | |
| 611.0 | 614.0 | I'm like, okay, well, this is a thing. | |
| 617.0 | 621.0 | I don't report anybody and there is no plan. | |
| 621.0 | 624.0 | I'm not a partisan like sleep drip disclosure or anything. | |
| 624.0 | 628.0 | If there is a plan, I'm totally unwitting and holy shit, they like | |
| 628.0 | 632.0 | control me any very passive manner that is like masterclass. | |
| 632.0 | 633.0 | Right. | |
| 633.0 | 636.0 | But yeah, I'm not supportive of some of your shit, you know, that. | |
| 636.0 | 641.0 | Did you ever at any point try to suck out whether you were being lied to? | |
| 641.0 | 644.0 | Because all of these people are coming from the same programs. | |
| 644.0 | 647.0 | And so presumably there's some level of coordination between you. | |
| 647.0 | 652.0 | So how do you kind of get there and just make sure that they're not, you know, | |
| 652.0 | 656.0 | meeting in some back rooms saying, you say this today, I'll say this today, you know. | |
| 656.0 | 657.0 | You know, for sure. | |
| 657.0 | 660.0 | So like I thought maybe it was like a joke or something, maybe it was like a | |
| 660.0 | 662.0 | SIP, I'm here or something, I don't even know. | |
| 662.0 | 667.0 | And then, but the, you know, near 40 people we talk to a lot of the guys, | |
| 667.0 | 670.0 | my entire career and like they wouldn't lie to me. | |
| 670.0 | 673.0 | I have like a friendship with them. | |
| 673.0 | 678.0 | And for them to, you know, disclose to me that kind of stuff and it ended up being a | |
| 678.0 | 679.0 | false. | |
| 679.0 | 681.0 | What a totally torpedoed the friendship. | |
| 681.0 | 685.0 | And I also went out of my way to find people who don't know each other either. | |
| 685.0 | 690.0 | And I had other, higher ranking colleagues in mind go talk to other people that | |
| 690.0 | 693.0 | I didn't even personally talk to that group. | |
| 693.0 | 697.0 | Of course, we took all that and I'm like all the people who conducted those interviews. | |
| 697.0 | 701.0 | I made them get interviewed by the Inspector General because we're cross on our | |
| 701.0 | 704.0 | taste here because this shit is crazy. | |
| 704.0 | 708.0 | And I was, I mean, you can never be perfect, but man, I was so freaking careful | |
| 708.0 | 711.0 | to make sure I wasn't getting fed some bullshit. | |
| 711.0 | 715.0 | If they were in coordination together on a disinfo campaign, holy fuck, I shouldn't | |
| 715.0 | 718.0 | be an Intel officer because I should have, you know, it's enough that you know. | |
| 718.0 | 723.0 | So in the last couple of years, have you had incidences that have caused you to be | |
| 723.0 | 728.0 | in fear for your life for addressing these issues? | |
| 728.0 | 730.0 | Yes, personally. | |
| 731.0 | 735.0 | There's a Chris Melon story where he's supposed to meet with somebody on the program | |
| 735.0 | 739.0 | and he has the meeting all set up and two weeks before the meeting. | |
| 739.0 | 742.0 | He says that the guy just randomly has a heart attack. | |
| 742.0 | 747.0 | We were about two weeks away from meeting when he died, when he had a heart attack. | |
| 747.0 | 749.0 | What was the last special access program that leaked? | |
| 749.0 | 751.0 | They don't generally leave. | |
| 751.0 | 753.0 | People were like, oh, dude, wouldn't it be broadly leaked or whatever? | |
| 753.0 | 757.0 | I'm like, as somebody who is super cleared to a lot of that, | |
| 757.0 | 760.0 | conventional stuff over the years, stuff never leaks. | |
| 760.0 | 761.0 | Yeah. | |
| 761.0 | 762.0 | It doesn't come out. | |
| 762.0 | 765.0 | There are plenty of things that are pretty serious, they're broad, | |
| 765.0 | 767.0 | that I've never seen a light a day. | |
| 767.0 | 771.0 | Of course, like, you're going to tell someone that their entire life and their family and | |
| 771.0 | 773.0 | their kids, like, everything is in danger. | |
| 773.0 | 778.0 | It doesn't feel too far fetched that someone will keep a secret if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, if it, | |
| 778.0 | 779.0 | if it's friends or their life. | |
| 779.0 | 780.0 | Look, dude, you're not getting promoted. | |
| 780.0 | 782.0 | Yeah, you're going to lose your job. | |
| 782.0 | 785.0 | You know, the psychology of the typical career government worker, right? | |
| 785.0 | 789.0 | Stable paycheck, pension, maintain clearance. | |
| 789.0 | 793.0 | So if any of that's threatened, you know, they're going to | |
| 793.0 | 795.0 | capitulate most cases, right? | |
| 795.0 | 798.0 | The threatening nature of some of their indoctrination, where they're like, | |
| 798.0 | 799.0 | this is treason. | |
| 799.0 | 802.0 | You're going to leaven more if you ever tell anybody not the program. | |
| 802.0 | 804.0 | And oh, by the way, what's the penalty for treason? | |
| 804.0 | 806.0 | All right, execution, right? | |
| 806.0 | 809.0 | And I was like, well, well, fuck it, I'll be the mouthpiece for you. | |
| 809.0 | 812.0 | I'll be the leader, I guess. | |
| 812.0 | 817.0 | And I will shepherd you privately to the appropriate people that could be a recipient of your disclosure. | |
| 817.0 | 820.0 | You don't have to go public, but I'll do this. | |
| 820.0 | 825.0 | I mean, you know, it's not just me that, you know, | |
| 825.0 | 828.0 | has come forward really, because I mean, | |
| 828.0 | 832.0 | Schumer, Rubio, all those guys are like, well, a bunch of freaking high-level | |
| 832.0 | 837.0 | yeah, officers came to us, any of the crazy, or the shit's real. | |
| 837.0 | 840.0 | Most of these people at some point, or maybe even currently, | |
| 840.0 | 844.0 | have held very high appearances in high positions within our government. | |
| 844.0 | 847.0 | And then Schumer was compelled to write that big 64-page. | |
| 847.0 | 848.0 | Yeah. | |
| 848.0 | 852.0 | Amendment, the talks, no shit, non-human tech, recoveries, | |
| 852.0 | 855.0 | and you're the majority leader, just tight with the president, | |
| 855.0 | 860.0 | putting out a law that will be signed here, hopefully, this wall, that really puts the fuck | |
| 860.0 | 862.0 | an executive in a bind. | |
| 862.0 | 863.0 | Yeah. | |
| 863.0 | 866.0 | So I don't think that that was done in a vacuum. | |
| 866.0 | 870.0 | You can think of one thing that can get the left and the right together | |
| 870.0 | 873.0 | is bloat in the military industrial company. | |
| 873.0 | 874.0 | Yeah, yeah. | |
| 874.0 | 875.0 | Yeah. | |
| 875.0 | 876.0 | Yeah. | |
| 876.0 | 877.0 | Yeah. | |
| 877.0 | 878.0 | Nobody looks at it. | |
| 878.0 | 881.0 | I don't think members of Congress don't like any door shut on the me, | |
| 881.0 | 884.0 | they want that information because they represent the gun on the hands of you. | |
| 884.0 | 886.0 | And that was the mac-aed story. | |
| 886.0 | 889.0 | Several months ago, my office received a protected disclosure from | |
| 889.0 | 894.0 | Eglonair Force Base indicating that there was a UAP incident that required my attention. | |
| 894.0 | 898.0 | We were not afforded access to all of the flight crew. | |
| 898.0 | 903.0 | We was basically denied access to a crew that had seen kind of a diamond shape | |
| 903.0 | 905.0 | formation of orbs. | |
| 905.0 | 910.0 | He should be fully glued into if, you know, it is terrestrial and origin | |
| 910.0 | 911.0 | because he's over here. | |
| 911.0 | 912.0 | He's on the Darse. | |
| 912.0 | 914.0 | He's on the Armed Services Committee. | |
| 914.0 | 919.0 | If you could just name anything, titles, programs, departments, | |
| 919.0 | 920.0 | regions. | |
| 920.0 | 923.0 | I'd be happy to give you that in a closed environment. | |
| 923.0 | 924.0 | I can tell you specifically. | |
| 924.0 | 925.0 | Thank you. | |
| 925.0 | 931.0 | Maybe in a, we could get it, get in a confidential area of skin if we could talk about that. | |
| 931.0 | 935.0 | But unfortunately, we were denied access to the skin. | |
| 935.0 | 939.0 | A lot of the narrative for the whole thing was that you were denied a skin. | |
| 939.0 | 940.0 | What the skin's done for? | |
| 940.0 | 941.0 | It's for people. | |
| 941.0 | 944.0 | It's specialized compartmented information facility. | |
| 944.0 | 948.0 | Which basically means that you guys would just get into secure place where you can | |
| 948.0 | 949.0 | share. | |
| 949.0 | 952.0 | Yeah, that's, you know, facility that's accredited to talk at, you know, | |
| 952.0 | 956.0 | top secret sensitive compartmented information level. | |
| 956.0 | 960.0 | Yeah, the members are pretty in sense that I believe it was they, they couldn't | |
| 960.0 | 964.0 | reserve a skin, then they couldn't give me a one time read on back into the right | |
| 964.0 | 966.0 | access, since I left the government. | |
| 966.0 | 968.0 | Yeah, of any sense of why that was denied. | |
| 968.0 | 969.0 | I don't know. | |
| 969.0 | 970.0 | I don't know. | |
| 970.0 | 971.0 | I don't know. | |
| 971.0 | 972.0 | I have been sighted. | |
| 972.0 | 973.0 | It was something they mentioned to me. | |
| 973.0 | 977.0 | You know, it was security or something denied it. | |
| 977.0 | 980.0 | If you believe we have crashed craft, | |
| 980.0 | 981.0 | you know, I was a state of earlier. | |
| 981.0 | 984.0 | Do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft? | |
| 984.0 | 988.0 | As I've stated publicly, I read you my news nation review. | |
| 988.0 | 990.0 | Biologics came with some of these recoveries. | |
| 990.0 | 991.0 | Yeah. | |
| 991.0 | 996.0 | Um, where they, I guess, human or non-human biologics. | |
| 996.0 | 1000.0 | Non-human and that was the assessment of people with | |
| 1000.0 | 1003.0 | technology on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program. | |
| 1003.0 | 1008.0 | One sort of bombshell sound by from the hearing is Congresswoman Nancy Mace asked you about | |
| 1008.0 | 1014.0 | biologics, Ross Kuthart and the News Nation interview asked you about pilots coming out of | |
| 1014.0 | 1015.0 | these crafts. | |
| 1015.0 | 1017.0 | Do you want to just speak to that a little bit? | |
| 1017.0 | 1018.0 | Yeah. | |
| 1018.0 | 1021.0 | I mean, it is a mind-blowing side of it, right? | |
| 1021.0 | 1025.0 | It's a little easy to imagine, you know, an artifact or whatever. | |
| 1025.0 | 1030.0 | But when you start talking about, you know, the biological side of it, | |
| 1030.0 | 1033.0 | it really throws you for a loop psychologically. | |
| 1033.0 | 1040.0 | It did for me and, you know, I talked to the people that, you know, were on that aspect of the program, | |
| 1040.0 | 1041.0 | if you will. | |
| 1041.0 | 1044.0 | And, I mean, it comes to that territory. | |
| 1044.0 | 1047.0 | I mean, buckle up, I guess. | |
| 1047.0 | 1051.0 | I call them pilots because that's like our vernacular. | |
| 1051.0 | 1053.0 | What they, I don't know what their actual job was. | |
| 1053.0 | 1054.0 | Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| 1054.0 | 1055.0 | Non-human intelligence. | |
| 1055.0 | 1056.0 | Yeah. | |
| 1056.0 | 1057.0 | But they had bodies. | |
| 1057.0 | 1058.0 | Yeah. | |
| 1058.0 | 1060.0 | I mean, where they alive, where they dead. | |
| 1060.0 | 1061.0 | I don't know, again, the specifics. | |
| 1061.0 | 1062.0 | Yeah. | |
| 1062.0 | 1063.0 | I know a lot of that stuff. | |
| 1063.0 | 1069.0 | I don't care you ask you why you allowed to say that NHI pilots came out of the craft, | |
| 1069.0 | 1070.0 | but you can't. | |
| 1070.0 | 1073.0 | Well, that's all I put in the pre-publications stuff. | |
| 1073.0 | 1074.0 | I've got to prove. | |
| 1074.0 | 1075.0 | I mean, got it. | |
| 1075.0 | 1077.0 | I could go back and ask for more. | |
| 1077.0 | 1079.0 | But like I said, dear earlier, man, like, yeah, | |
| 1079.0 | 1081.0 | No, you're not your place, no, you're a job. | |
| 1081.0 | 1082.0 | Yeah, yeah. | |
| 1082.0 | 1086.0 | And it's helpful context for the audience to realize that you literally have like these | |
| 1086.0 | 1089.0 | contours with with with, yeah, you have to operate it. | |
| 1089.0 | 1091.0 | And any specific knowledge I garnered when I was on the level of the level of the | |
| 1091.0 | 1096.0 | work, when I was on the other side of the door, if I want to talk about the publicly, everybody | |
| 1096.0 | 1102.0 | who has had a job like I have as a submit to think called dopser at the Pentagon, DOD | |
| 1102.0 | 1106.0 | Pre-Publication Security Review, you know, even if it's about this stuff. | |
| 1106.0 | 1109.0 | Like I know it sounds insane, but like you literally have to say, like, this is why | |
| 1109.0 | 1111.0 | I want to talk about why do you think they approved it? | |
| 1111.0 | 1116.0 | Catch 22 because so they'd have to self identify and highlight their concerns. | |
| 1116.0 | 1117.0 | It's a redact. | |
| 1117.0 | 1122.0 | So the office who would propose a redaction, say it's a through letter agency or whatever, right? | |
| 1122.0 | 1129.0 | They had to be like, this office objected to you saying crash retrievals, here we're citing the security | |
| 1129.0 | 1132.0 | classification guide, no, and then you could litigate that, right? | |
| 1132.0 | 1136.0 | To get it unredacted if you think that's an inappropriate application of security. | |
| 1136.0 | 1141.0 | If it got redacted like that and it cited what organization and what security reason it is, | |
| 1141.0 | 1143.0 | I would just publish that. | |
| 1143.0 | 1148.0 | And the public can understand, you know, make it's own interpretation why, you know, | |
| 1148.0 | 1153.0 | the US government's withholding information about that kind of thing and one to sequester my speech. | |
| 1153.0 | 1159.0 | So to catch 22, honestly, for them and DM if they do DM if they don't, I just wanted to put enough out there, | |
| 1159.0 | 1164.0 | touch on all the most sensitive parts, like the biologic side and my things that really need to come out. | |
| 1164.0 | 1165.0 | Yeah. | |
| 1165.0 | 1171.0 | But I don't want to overly disclose because it's not my job, but enough to, you know, | |
| 1171.0 | 1177.0 | put the flag out there, we need to elevate this as a serious, some of the uncomfortable stuff, | |
| 1177.0 | 1180.0 | like the biologic stuff, like I mentioned during the hearing, yeah. | |
| 1180.0 | 1186.0 | You got to realize some bag is just coming with it, besides, you know, the Indian Jones, you know, | |
| 1186.0 | 1189.0 | warehouse thing that everybody thinks. | |
| 1189.0 | 1196.0 | Why do the politicians like why do people pour higher up, feel like they need to hide that, like evidence? | |
| 1196.0 | 1200.0 | Or like, I'm just like the root cause, like, why is this like a topic that's not so good? | |
| 1200.0 | 1201.0 | Yeah. | |
| 1201.0 | 1206.0 | I mean, I can only know what the mindset was, you know, multiple decades ago, and like anything in government. | |
| 1206.0 | 1207.0 | There was this at the change. | |
| 1207.0 | 1209.0 | So this is the way we set it up. | |
| 1209.0 | 1215.0 | You remember trusting government was high back in the 40s post-war, and then also society was less secular. | |
| 1215.0 | 1220.0 | So there's, you know, they were worried about the religious ontological shocks as well. | |
| 1220.0 | 1224.0 | And they never really developed a real cult, a disclosure plan for what it's worth. | |
| 1224.0 | 1228.0 | And they just, well, like, this is the way it's been, and we're going to keep it that way. | |
| 1228.0 | 1234.0 | We're going to want Russian China to be exposed to any of this info, and, you know, we don't want to give them an edge. | |
| 1234.0 | 1240.0 | And fortunately, it's that kind of kind of low energy thinking. | |
| 1240.0 | 1251.0 | If you got to ask one question to ask someone who does not alive anymore, that you feel could answer a lot for you. | |
| 1251.0 | 1254.0 | Who would you pick and what would the question be? | |
| 1254.0 | 1264.0 | If you ask Starbocker, Oppenheimer, and be like, while was your thought process in the 40s and 50s, you know, scrolling this away. | |
| 1264.0 | 1272.0 | I mean, besides over-langlement hat and project secrecy, because Oppenheimer is the one who created the classification that included the UFO stuff. | |
| 1272.0 | 1275.0 | Oh, all those guys. | |
| 1275.0 | 1283.0 | The guys that were involved in Manhattan were overlaying the same ecosystem of secrecy and some of the same ways to protect the people. | |
| 1283.0 | 1286.0 | Of protects stuff of their protecting our nuclear secrets. | |
| 1286.0 | 1299.0 | If you read the definition of special nuclear material in the public atomic energy act in 1954, it basically states any material that releases any kind of atomic energy. | |
| 1299.0 | 1301.0 | That would be retrieved. | |
| 1301.0 | 1302.0 | Yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| 1302.0 | 1304.0 | So it's kind of a sneaky way. | |
| 1304.0 | 1305.0 | No, it is. | |
| 1305.0 | 1312.0 | If you actually read the atomic energy act, if something is not a nuke, but it has radiological energy coming off it, you know, | |
| 1312.0 | 1314.0 | if a baited a can't whatever, same secrecy. | |
| 1314.0 | 1315.0 | Same secrecy. | |
| 1318.0 | 1323.0 | Until now, we haven't really had an exact understanding of the mechanisms of UFO secrecy. | |
| 1323.0 | 1325.0 | We do get a few hints throughout history, though. | |
| 1325.0 | 1332.0 | In 1947, in the aftermath of frequent UFO sightings across the United States, Nathan Twining, | |
| 1332.0 | 1336.0 | the head of all aircraft development for the Air Force, wrote a famous letter. | |
| 1336.0 | 1341.0 | He writes that the UFO phenomena is something real and not visionary or fictitious. | |
| 1342.0 | 1346.0 | Everyone today focuses on this part of the now famous Twining Memma. | |
| 1346.0 | 1350.0 | That top brass at the Air Force is conceding the reality of UFOs. | |
| 1350.0 | 1354.0 | But the far more interesting part of the letter is the post-stripped, | |
| 1354.0 | 1360.0 | where he writes about the possibility of American programs trying to build crafts with these capabilities. | |
| 1360.0 | 1366.0 | He writes that any developments in this country along the lines indicated would be extremely expensive, | |
| 1366.0 | 1370.0 | time consuming, and that the considerable expense of current projects. | |
| 1370.0 | 1376.0 | And therefore, if directed, should be set up independently of existing projects. | |
| 1376.0 | 1382.0 | If you were the military industrial complex and had to keep a top secret UFO reverse engineering program, | |
| 1382.0 | 1387.0 | fully shielded from elected civilian representatives moving in and out of government, | |
| 1387.0 | 1390.0 | which past programs might be your inspiration. | |
| 1391.0 | 1393.0 | The Manhattan Project. | |
| 1393.0 | 1396.0 | Manhattan Project, they were kind of the first blue book, | |
| 1396.0 | 1399.0 | you know, they were getting UFO reports back in the day. | |
| 1399.0 | 1403.0 | Or so people are colleagues with that, like, they're grandparents. | |
| 1403.0 | 1407.0 | We're actually, you know, the UFO report people on the Manhattan Project. | |
| 1407.0 | 1409.0 | And I heard being told that I was like, really, really hurt. | |
| 1409.0 | 1410.0 | That's crazy. | |
| 1410.0 | 1412.0 | You know, there's like a whole other side of Manhattan Project. | |
| 1412.0 | 1414.0 | This is a wild revelation. | |
| 1414.0 | 1420.0 | Blue Book was the Air Force's official program tasked with investigating UFOs in the 50s and 60s. | |
| 1420.0 | 1423.0 | But it was basically a propaganda mouthpiece for the Air Force, | |
| 1423.0 | 1427.0 | explaining away and downplaying the phenomenon for the public. | |
| 1427.0 | 1433.0 | Here, Davis saying that there might have been a real deeper program than Blue Book studying UFOs at the time. | |
| 1433.0 | 1437.0 | And it was probably very tied in with the Manhattan Project. | |
| 1437.0 | 1441.0 | Legendary French UFO researchers, Jacques Valle, told me the exact same thing. | |
| 1441.0 | 1444.0 | The project Blue Book was the best they could do at the time, | |
| 1444.0 | 1449.0 | because they felt they had a real project going on that was secret. | |
| 1449.0 | 1452.0 | The Manhattan Project would have custody of it, | |
| 1452.0 | 1455.0 | and then it would go into the Atomic Energy Commission, | |
| 1455.0 | 1458.0 | and then it would go into the Depopal Energy, | |
| 1458.0 | 1461.0 | which has a so-line of Clarence's. | |
| 1461.0 | 1465.0 | But where were these top secret UFO programs taking place? | |
| 1465.0 | 1472.0 | Well, the first hint we get might actually come from the quintessential UFO story, the Roswell crash in 1947. | |
| 1472.0 | 1480.0 | As the story goes, in 1947, mysterious debris from a crash was retrieved by a rancher named Mac Brazil. | |
| 1480.0 | 1486.0 | After collecting the wreckage, the Roswell Army Airfield issued a pretty insane press release, | |
| 1486.0 | 1490.0 | stating that a flying disk had been retrieved from a local ranch. | |
| 1490.0 | 1496.0 | But within 24 hours, the military announced that the saucer had actually just been a weatherman. | |
| 1496.0 | 1503.0 | Cut to 1978, Lieutenant Colonel Jesse Marcell said that this was all just a cover story | |
| 1503.0 | 1506.0 | to divert public attention away from the truth, | |
| 1506.0 | 1514.0 | that the Roswell debris was extraterrestrial tech, which contained bizarre, high-regulifix and malleable memory memory. | |
| 1514.0 | 1519.0 | According to him, the materials were eventually taken to Wright, Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio. | |
| 1519.0 | 1521.0 | This actually makes sense. | |
| 1521.0 | 1526.0 | Wright, Pat, was the place that the military would take enemy equipment in order to reverse engineer it. | |
| 1526.0 | 1533.0 | In fact, just a few years earlier, the base was used to successfully reverse engineer a German pulse jet engine. | |
| 1534.0 | 1540.0 | When prominent elected government representatives would ask what was going on at Wright Patterson, they would get shut down. | |
| 1540.0 | 1542.0 | It didn't matter who they were. | |
| 1542.0 | 1545.0 | Senators, presidential candidates, even presidents. | |
| 1545.0 | 1548.0 | If you didn't have a need to know, you were on the outside. | |
| 1548.0 | 1555.0 | I call Curtis Lamay, and I said, General, I know we have a room. | |
| 1555.0 | 1561.0 | It's Wright Patterson, where you put all his secret stuff. | |
| 1561.0 | 1566.0 | Could I go in there? I've never heard him get mad. | |
| 1566.0 | 1568.0 | But he got mad or now. | |
| 1568.0 | 1573.0 | He crushed me out and said, don't ever ask me that question. | |
| 1573.0 | 1578.0 | It's like, well, what's going on? Why would General and Mayach like that to a sitting senator? | |
| 1578.0 | 1586.0 | So in the last year, George H.W. Bush, Bush 41, who was director of the CIA as the president of the United States, he probably don't even know. | |
| 1586.0 | 1592.0 | Unless you've done the blood oath and he were like the CIA director, something privately previously. | |
| 1592.0 | 1600.0 | Unless you have to stroke a pen, assign an executive order or something, why would you have a need to know, unless you literally, as the commander and chief, | |
| 1600.0 | 1603.0 | need to know it to make a decision. | |
| 1603.0 | 1606.0 | What else was housed at Wright Patterson? | |
| 1606.0 | 1612.0 | Well, it would become a nuclear engineering test facility and an anti-gravity research center. | |
| 1612.0 | 1618.0 | It also was the site for blue book, the anti-UFO's SIOP that the Air Force ran in the 50s and 60s. | |
| 1618.0 | 1623.0 | So when you're running a secret UFO program, you have people working on the UFOs, | |
| 1623.0 | 1630.0 | and then you have people working on throwing the public off the trail, and basically ensuring that they have no idea what you're doing. | |
| 1630.0 | 1636.0 | The official Air Force reply is long then, that there is no cover up, no cover up, no cover up, no cover up. | |
| 1643.0 | 1649.0 | You know, I've seen this other conventional programs. You can part-men it so much, you know, some people don't know really what they're working on. | |
| 1649.0 | 1656.0 | Yeah, only the people that have the top level access can look down on all facets of the pyramid, as we say, | |
| 1656.0 | 1667.0 | and that henders progress, and then certainly with this subject, when you're trying to crack an unknown unknown, that kind of obtuse security doesn't help either. | |
| 1667.0 | 1675.0 | When you say, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You know, is it the USB drive to a caveman analogy, where it's like the caveman doesn't know information theory, | |
| 1675.0 | 1682.0 | doesn't have a computer to plug the USB drive into, and we just don't even know where to start in terms of resengineering things. | |
| 1682.0 | 1689.0 | Yeah, it's like other people have given the knowledge is a given Galileo Tiety, TIA-83 plus graph and calculator. | |
| 1689.0 | 1692.0 | They open it up and they see circuitry, and they're like, well, what is even this? | |
| 1692.0 | 1701.0 | I don't think it's on the concept of a transistor. But even that, or like a monkey with an iPhone, you kind of know how to, yeah, if you open it up, it's sure you're confused, | |
| 1701.0 | 1705.0 | but you kind of know how to press the buttons and you realize there's a graphical interface or whatever. | |
| 1705.0 | 1708.0 | That seems easier than caveman with the USB drive. | |
| 1708.0 | 1709.0 | Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| 1709.0 | 1710.0 | Like where are we in there? | |
| 1710.0 | 1717.0 | Yeah, I mean, some of it is hard to gauge how far in advance it is, because you're just assuming a certain linear progression. | |
| 1717.0 | 1725.0 | You know, I think some of this is they made a nasty and total leap that, you know, put them over the edge to a different kind of plane of that's pretty fast. | |
| 1725.0 | 1726.0 | Yeah, I don't know. | |
| 1726.0 | 1727.0 | Yeah, I don't know. | |
| 1727.0 | 1729.0 | How was it betting man, some of this NHI? | |
| 1729.0 | 1735.0 | There are similarly as advanced as us, but they've just made, they've, what is it asymmetric evolution or whatever. | |
| 1735.0 | 1739.0 | They want a different path where we made nuclear weapons and stuff. | |
| 1739.0 | 1744.0 | Yeah, they ended up making this like civil propulsion kind of equivalent. | |
| 1744.0 | 1745.0 | Yeah. | |
| 1745.0 | 1752.0 | Discovery where they're able to do this now, but they're actually not that much more advanced than you and I. | |
| 1752.0 | 1763.0 | I always found interesting, you know, the monolith in 2001 space out of C U, which is this sort of thing placed on earth that it inspires tech innovation. | |
| 1763.0 | 1774.0 | It's almost like John Mac would talk about a lot of these alien sightings being slightly more advanced, but barely comprehensible tech for the time almost inspiring tech innovation. | |
| 1774.0 | 1779.0 | I often think of it as laying bread crumbs in a direction. | |
| 1779.0 | 1786.0 | Well, the communication could be, you think you're really small because you blew up a weapon down the road here. | |
| 1786.0 | 1789.0 | No, no, look at this. | |
| 1789.0 | 1791.0 | Right, right, right. | |
| 1791.0 | 1797.0 | It's just like, you know, we went from, you look at our own human development, you know, we immediately once we cracked the atom, | |
| 1797.0 | 1802.0 | I mean, holy crap, nuclear power, weapons, you know, we went from, you know, | |
| 1803.0 | 1810.0 | orders a magnitude of energy extraction, right up to, you know, 10 to the six tons of TNT equivalent. | |
| 1810.0 | 1820.0 | And that's kind of what we're talking about is like, we're like one, you know, discovery away to, you know, maybe manipulate space time or whatever. | |
| 1820.0 | 1829.0 | Based off of the information that you've been privy to, is there any indication that the UAPs are interested in our nuclear technology and capabilities? | |
| 1829.0 | 1830.0 | Yes. | |
| 1830.0 | 1833.0 | By external observation, sure, that could be a fair assessment. | |
| 1833.0 | 1834.0 | Yes. | |
| 1834.0 | 1843.0 | The nuclear UFO connection is deeper and more bizarre than you can ever imagine. | |
| 1843.0 | 1849.0 | Remember that voice story that ran in 2022 about a town in Japan that's obsessed with UFOs? | |
| 1849.0 | 1851.0 | Well, it's a place called Enem. | |
| 1851.0 | 1857.0 | And it's right next to Fukushima, where a 2011 earthquake triggered a famous nuclear power meltdown. | |
| 1857.0 | 1869.0 | Take this incident in 1994, 62 elementary school kids at the aerial international school in Zimbabwe said that they saw a silver craft descend from the sky and land on a field near their school. | |
| 1869.0 | 1871.0 | Well, guess where the aerial school was? | |
| 1871.0 | 1876.0 | And you know, an aerial school that was near Iranian mining site. | |
| 1876.0 | 1877.0 | That is right. | |
| 1877.0 | 1878.0 | That's what we understand. | |
| 1878.0 | 1886.0 | But maybe the best collection of evidence around the UFO nuclear connection comes from a very creatively named book called UFOs in Nukes by Robert Hasein. | |
| 1886.0 | 1891.0 | He started doing best to get and just speak to all of these radar operators. | |
| 1891.0 | 1896.0 | And a lot of them claim some pretty crazy things around seeing UFOs around nuclear bases. | |
| 1896.0 | 1905.0 | Over the past 37 years, I have personally located and interviewed more than 120 of these former or retired military personnel. | |
| 1905.0 | 1911.0 | Do you have Marabra Salas at Malmstrom saying that the whole base was actually rendered inoperable? | |
| 1911.0 | 1915.0 | This time it was screaming into the phone saying they're looking at a small area of the city. | |
| 1915.0 | 1919.0 | Looking at an object, a red glowing object. | |
| 1919.0 | 1921.0 | Yeah, the sites were going down. | |
| 1921.0 | 1922.0 | Like when we went down. | |
| 1922.0 | 1926.0 | Very rarely does a missile malfunction and I don't think it is much more rare. | |
| 1926.0 | 1929.0 | It would be two at the same time, but never ten. | |
| 1929.0 | 1934.0 | The above Jacobs had banned inburg in 64 years of photo instrumentation specialists. | |
| 1934.0 | 1943.0 | They were launching dummy nuclear warheads off of Gattles five missiles and seeing the UFO kind of wrap around it and take it down. | |
| 1943.0 | 1946.0 | And I said, it looks like we got a UFO. | |
| 1946.0 | 1955.0 | You have hundreds of accounts of these missile man radar operators for that nuclear site who have no incentive to lie in many cases. | |
| 1955.0 | 1960.0 | The incentive they're on all cases, the incentives split in the other direction saying that they're seeing stuff. | |
| 1960.0 | 1965.0 | Well, no, the missile leaders, you know, they're on what they call PRP, personal reliability program. | |
| 1965.0 | 1967.0 | They have to like report it. | |
| 1967.0 | 1972.0 | They're like, you know, taking Ivy Pro from regards to eggs because there are key turner for nuclear weapons. | |
| 1972.0 | 1977.0 | These missile leaders go through the most stringent of mental health exams to get their jobs. | |
| 1977.0 | 1981.0 | They're literally the people we task with hitting the button that sends a nuke. | |
| 1981.0 | 1984.0 | By definition, they are the picture of mental health. | |
| 1984.0 | 1988.0 | And they are all steeped in a culture that frowns upon attention seeking. | |
| 1988.0 | 1992.0 | Time and time again, these missilemen would see UFOs near nuclear facilities. | |
| 1992.0 | 1999.0 | And without fail, the Air Force Office of Special Investigations would show up men in black style, confiscate the footage, | |
| 1999.0 | 2001.0 | threaten the witness and swear them to see person. | |
| 2001.0 | 2005.0 | And he said, Lieutenant Jacob, you are never to speak of this again. | |
| 2005.0 | 2007.0 | Hit never happened. | |
| 2007.0 | 2015.0 | From Hastings' work, we now know that UFO sightings were happening all across American nuclear production, missile storage, and deployment sites. | |
| 2015.0 | 2020.0 | Plutonium enrichment sites like Hanford, Washington and Savannah River Cytin, South Carolina. | |
| 2020.0 | 2024.0 | To nuclear stockpiles at Fort Hood, Texas and killing base camps, | |
| 2025.0 | 2030.0 | from Los Alamos to Sandia to Malmstrom to FE Warren, the list goes on. | |
| 2030.0 | 2033.0 | What is the connection with nuclear? | |
| 2033.0 | 2038.0 | Is it the kind of benevolent protector theory that don't want us to destroy ourselves? | |
| 2038.0 | 2041.0 | Or is it some weird like their mining us for something? | |
| 2041.0 | 2043.0 | And so they want to protect their resources? | |
| 2043.0 | 2049.0 | Or is it the power unlock thing where we could rip space time and maybe be able to travel like they can travel? | |
| 2049.0 | 2055.0 | And so nuclear power is the access along which we're making progress towards that. | |
| 2055.0 | 2061.0 | Yeah, I mean, it might be as simple as like it's an attractant like a fly or a mosquito to a blue light, right? | |
| 2061.0 | 2063.0 | It could be something as simple as that. | |
| 2063.0 | 2069.0 | I mean, it's so hard because the put yourself in a different sentient shoes to understand intent and all that. | |
| 2069.0 | 2075.0 | I mean, could be probing, could be reconnaissance, could be just, you know, mere curiosity. | |
| 2076.0 | 2092.0 | Yes, you know, oh, the only two or three orders of magnitude away energy extraction from, you know, manipulating space time and not to bear, you know, warp drive type thing and maybe they're interested in that to to understand our development as a civilization. | |
| 2092.0 | 2099.0 | I mean, without having, you know, a penetration into their utaluper, whatever, will never really know. | |
| 2100.0 | 2102.0 | It could be all the above. | |
| 2102.0 | 2106.0 | Yeah, and it's really impossible to really ever gauge intent. | |
| 2109.0 | 2119.0 | The controller told us that these objects had been observed over two weeks coming down from over 80,000 feet, rapidly descending to 20,000 feet, hanging out for hours and then going straight back up for those don't realize, | |
| 2119.0 | 2121.0 | more of 80,000 feet in space. | |
| 2122.0 | 2128.0 | It's just this cat and mouse sort of recursive unsolvability, where it's just very hard to classify. | |
| 2128.0 | 2138.0 | It's almost like playing with you a little bit, even Commander David Fraver and his account was like the thing felt like it was like breathing and looking at me and knew even said it, you let it slip in the type of money. | |
| 2138.0 | 2142.0 | It was like it definitely was a rare hard existence of like how do you know that, man? | |
| 2142.0 | 2149.0 | You're not in the UFO's shoes, but I understand what he was saying, which is you can sense when somebody's looking at you. | |
| 2149.0 | 2155.0 | Yeah, I know I've had some folks I talked to that had the room kind of up close kind of sightings. | |
| 2155.0 | 2157.0 | They said that they got that vibe too. | |
| 2157.0 | 2163.0 | And who knows if that's like a somatic or what, but they did they did get a vibe like that too. | |
| 2163.0 | 2166.0 | When you stare into the abyss long enough, the abyss stare is bad. | |
| 2166.0 | 2175.0 | Yeah, exactly. And then of course, I've had a very smart guy was like, well, did Darwin care to fully conceal himself when he studied the Finches. | |
| 2175.0 | 2179.0 | And it's like, they observe, then it really care, right? | |
| 2179.0 | 2182.0 | And they don't really care to interact, whether they're just here to observe. | |
| 2182.0 | 2190.0 | But is that your bias, that it's sort of an anthropological, is you a logical model where they're like studying us and we're in this kind of... | |
| 2190.0 | 2201.0 | Yeah, I think, you know, I'll give credit to Lou for the whole grill in the cage and throw it a banana for what the key and see if it could unlock the cage. | |
| 2201.0 | 2209.0 | And maybe that's what's, you know, some of these crashes were, and it wasn't really a mission failure, if you will. | |
| 2209.0 | 2213.0 | It was, you know, maybe some seeding. This is a total theoretical framework here. | |
| 2213.0 | 2214.0 | So it's like, whatever really knows. | |
| 2214.0 | 2216.0 | But yeah, see what you can do with it. | |
| 2216.0 | 2224.0 | Or the key is nuclear power or something, and it's like the gorilla has, we have the key. | |
| 2224.0 | 2238.0 | Another analogy that Eric Weinstein loves to use is, he's going to talk to North Sentinel Island, which is an island of aboriginals who basically have not made any contact with civilisations off the coast of India. | |
| 2238.0 | 2250.0 | And the Indian government basically just lets them do their thing, kind of respects them. And take this analogy, if the North Sentinel East started developing nukes, maybe the Indian government would start to pay a little more attention. | |
| 2258.0 | 2267.0 | To the extent that there is interference, I think one anomaly that's important to talk about is it seems to be like there's a lot of electromagnetic radiation that comes off of these crash. | |
| 2267.0 | 2278.0 | And I remember talking to Gary Nolan, and he mentioned that he was kind of given a file by the CIA, and he was tasked with looking into this. And it was two things. | |
| 2278.0 | 2286.0 | It was people who had a anomalous UFO experiences, and it was people who had experienced a vanic syndrome. | |
| 2286.0 | 2295.0 | Diplomats and spies began to hear sounds and fall ill with a mysterious illness that people struggle to explain what became known as Havana syndrome. | |
| 2296.0 | 2311.0 | And in both cases, you have these kind of severe electromagnetic radiation effects, and often differences in the cadet nucleus and batamin, which is in the basal ganglia, the dorsal strays in the brain, the scarring. | |
| 2311.0 | 2317.0 | But also the neuronal density of that area of the brain would cause somebody to even make sort of contact. | |
| 2317.0 | 2321.0 | But do we have any theories on kind of the electromagnetic radiation? | |
| 2321.0 | 2326.0 | I mean, certainly we were to look at it from a relativistic perspective. | |
| 2326.0 | 2333.0 | Well, that sounds like visible being light, being blue-shifted in the ultraviolet, and you're getting literally a sunburn. | |
| 2333.0 | 2343.0 | And if you look at an octubar type thing where light's getting lens around the craft, et cetera, stuff should be blue and red shifting. | |
| 2343.0 | 2349.0 | So things coming towards you would actually redshift, especially in the people getting like burns. | |
| 2349.0 | 2352.0 | So that's ultraviolet, that's like ionizing radiation. | |
| 2352.0 | 2361.0 | So that would be light being blue-shifted into the ultraviolet as it's lens across the bubble that the craft creates. | |
| 2361.0 | 2369.0 | And so we are seeing artifacts that seem to show that it's basically basically manipulating space time. | |
| 2369.0 | 2375.0 | And I guess that's why you get this sort of skipping across time effect. | |
| 2375.0 | 2380.0 | There's something that looks like the things are just, you're literally folding space time, I guess. | |
| 2380.0 | 2382.0 | So you can get from point A to point. | |
| 2382.0 | 2389.0 | You're riding a wave basically, you create a wave in your on top of the tsunami wave, in your riding across space time. | |
| 2389.0 | 2397.0 | And then of course there's kind of the other thing is, if it's like an Einstein Rosenbridge thing, two points out of piece of paper, | |
| 2397.0 | 2411.0 | and you fold it, but the way they're jumping around and skipping is, if you're riding the wave, it looks like you're moving very rapidly and like punctuated kind of movements, | |
| 2411.0 | 2418.0 | because if think of it a courtyan and there's the wave or riding it's according, when you flatten out the accordion, like flat space time. | |
| 2418.0 | 2424.0 | Yeah, you would smoothly move across, but I think we're stuck with like Einstein stuff was amazing. | |
| 2425.0 | 2441.0 | And you know, nobody's really, I mean, there's obviously people with you know, string theory, Emberay, all these other different physics theories, you know, quantum gravity and other theories, but you know, there hasn't been something that's, you know, unified all the week and strong force, etc. | |
| 2441.0 | 2446.0 | And that's an ongoing thing and I think you know, finding the Higgs boson is going to be the big answer. | |
| 2446.0 | 2447.0 | Yeah, we'll see. | |
| 2447.0 | 2463.0 | So speaking of string theory, it feels like it just hasn't shipped a product. You have our best and brightest often really smart people getting into this sort of field that, you know, maybe you can detect black holes with strings, but generally it's just not that useful string theory. | |
| 2463.0 | 2473.0 | I mean mathematically, you know, I get it works out right, but like most of the stuff you can't empirically observe, because the strings are so small. | |
| 2473.0 | 2478.0 | And it's subatotically, there's just like no way of living dimensions. There's no way of verifying that. | |
| 2478.0 | 2485.0 | It's a nice, I'll call it like overlay or that maybe this, maybe this is reality, maybe it's not. | |
| 2485.0 | 2498.0 | I think it's radically works out. I think it's force fitting, GR, you know, general relativity and quantum field there, but this brings up an interesting question, which is, can we go down the tree trunk of physics and then find another branch. | |
| 2499.0 | 2506.0 | Clearly quantum physics with nuclear and hydrogen bombs as its byproducts was becoming dangerous. | |
| 2506.0 | 2511.0 | It is an atomic bomb. It is a harnessing of the basic power of the universe. | |
| 2511.0 | 2525.0 | After the invention of these apocalyptic weapons was true fundamental physics then concealed in deep black aerospace, while public facing physics was sent into a cold-assak so it could do less damage. | |
| 2526.0 | 2532.0 | Were there actually updates in physics maybe mid-century that were not disclosed to the public? | |
| 2534.0 | 2537.0 | Okay, I realized this sounds kind of insane, but hear me out. | |
| 2537.0 | 2540.0 | Imagine the Biblical it gory the proton. | |
| 2540.0 | 2546.0 | The golden age of relativity was a wild forgotten time in the history of American physics. | |
| 2546.0 | 2562.0 | This was a period in the fifties where the study of anti-gravity, yeah, you heard me right, anti-gravity, experienced a dramatic resurgence of interest, not just among quacks, among real physicists. | |
| 2562.0 | 2568.0 | Roger Babson, a patron of science, was obsessed with finding the solution to anti-gravity. | |
| 2568.0 | 2576.0 | His gravity research foundation held a popular essay contest which garnered contributions from many of the top minds at the time. | |
| 2576.0 | 2585.0 | Meanwhile, another industrialist, Agnew Bancin, started the Institute of Field Physics in North Carolina, also dedicated to the study of anti-gravity. | |
| 2585.0 | 2598.0 | His Chapel Hill Conference in 1957 included top physicists like Bryce DeWitt, Richard Feynman, Peter Bergman, Freeman Dyson, and John Wheeler, all there to discuss the role of gravity in physics. | |
| 2598.0 | 2605.0 | As physicists Lewis Whitten would go on to say about anti-gravity in the fifties, it was in the wind, meaning it was everywhere. | |
| 2605.0 | 2614.0 | He said, what are you doing about anti-gravity? I said, well, I've not against gravity. | |
| 2614.0 | 2622.0 | Whitten actually worked in Martin Corporation's anti-gravity research unit. That's right, they had an anti-gravity research outfit. | |
| 2622.0 | 2627.0 | It was called Research Institute for Advanced Studies, or RIAS, for short. | |
| 2627.0 | 2636.0 | In Martin Corporation, of course, would later become Lockheed Martin. Lewis Whitten's direct boss at RIAS was a guy named George Trimble. | |
| 2636.0 | 2641.0 | In a 1956 article found in James Defense Weekly, George Trimble, said, | |
| 2641.0 | 2645.0 | we're already working on nuclear fuels and equipment to cancel out gravity. | |
| 2645.0 | 2652.0 | And added that the conquest of gravity could be done in about the amount of time it took to build the first atom bomb. | |
| 2652.0 | 2657.0 | By the time the 60s had rolled around, most people had kind of forgotten about anti-gravity. | |
| 2657.0 | 2663.0 | The quieted down because the way we're got anyway, or quieted it down because it did get somewhere in a way. | |
| 2664.0 | 2670.0 | Alright, this kind of weird where, as far as I know, in my kind of topological physics history knowledge, | |
| 2670.0 | 2678.0 | where there was all these anti-grav groups up until the early 60s, and then they totally vaporize. | |
| 2678.0 | 2685.0 | No, that there's physics knowledge held by aerospace companies that is not certainly in the material knowledge. | |
| 2685.0 | 2690.0 | Materials, well, materials, topological physics, whatever. | |
| 2690.0 | 2695.0 | It's hard to say whether anything real was discovered in the realm of anti-gravity, or if it went black. | |
| 2695.0 | 2702.0 | But when aviation journalists Nick Cook tried to meet with the then-long retired 80 something year old George Trimble. | |
| 2702.0 | 2707.0 | Through a friend of his Alokie Martin, this was the message he received back. | |
| 2707.0 | 2708.0 | Quote on quote, | |
| 2708.0 | 2716.0 | I don't know who this old man is, or what he once was, but he told me in no uncertain terms to get off his case. | |
| 2716.0 | 2721.0 | He doesn't want to speak to me and he doesn't want to speak to you, not now, not ever. | |
| 2721.0 | 2724.0 | I don't mind telling you that he sounded scared. | |
| 2724.0 | 2729.0 | Did deep black aerospace secretly make a huge breakthrough in anti-gravity? | |
| 2729.0 | 2735.0 | Well, when he worked for Martin in the 50s, Lewis Whitton specialized in non-linear algebra and topological physics. | |
| 2735.0 | 2740.0 | The two things that you need do investigate gravity and maybe how to beat it. | |
| 2740.0 | 2745.0 | He also did contract work on gravity for right, Patterson Air Force Base. | |
| 2745.0 | 2752.0 | The reason there was a laboratory at Wright Field was to find out what we were doing at the help of Stuart, | |
| 2752.0 | 2759.0 | and I got a contract for Wright Field to do it, to do gravity, which I did at Wright Field. | |
| 2760.0 | 2763.0 | And who is Lewis Whitton's son? Ed Whitton. | |
| 2763.0 | 2767.0 | Just the most formidable proponent of string theory, maybe of all time. | |
| 2767.0 | 2773.0 | Do you think that string theory, which Ed Whitton worked on, is intentionally a bridge to nowhere? | |
| 2773.0 | 2784.0 | I have privately said that string theory was a very odd development, because it both allowed physics to proceed as if it was doing something new, | |
| 2784.0 | 2789.0 | while breaking no new ground in the physical world in which we live. | |
| 2789.0 | 2797.0 | I don't really know if you were trying to stagnate the field, string theory is pretty brilliant. | |
| 2797.0 | 2805.0 | And remember that Chapel Hill Conference that's thrown in 1957 by Agnew Bainson, who's obsessed with anti-gravity? | |
| 2805.0 | 2812.0 | Well, Lewis Whitton was there, and the conference helped establish quantum gravity, of which string theory is an offshoot. | |
| 2812.0 | 2818.0 | In an interview with the American Institute of Physics, when anti-gravity gets brought up, Lewis Whitton says, | |
| 2818.0 | 2824.0 | a guy named Townsend discovered that there was a type of bismuth that was repelled instead of attracting. | |
| 2824.0 | 2831.0 | There was a vice president of the Martin Company who brought that up. He said, I read the Balakai and Indiana who says, | |
| 2831.0 | 2834.0 | the Brock of Bismuth that's shows antigravity. | |
| 2834.0 | 2839.0 | And where have we heard about bismuth with possible anti-gravity properties before? | |
| 2839.0 | 2850.0 | That's Gary Nolem, Stanford microbiologist and Nobel nominee, who claims to have UFO crash parts with isotope ratios that don't occur naturally on Earth. | |
| 2850.0 | 2855.0 | One of his pieces that we looked at together when I visited was magnesium vismuth. | |
| 2855.0 | 2863.0 | Business layers less than the human hair supposedly picked up in the crash retrieval of an advanced aerospace vehicle. | |
| 2863.0 | 2867.0 | No where could we find any evidence that anybody ever made one of these? | |
| 2867.0 | 2873.0 | And who's this Townsend guy Whitton's referring to? Whitton had to have been talking about Townsend Brown. | |
| 2873.0 | 2877.0 | One of the country's leading anti-gravity researchers at the time. | |
| 2877.0 | 2890.0 | Yeah, and there's a guy named Townsend Brown who had a theory that if you took two charged plates and then you put something neutral between them, | |
| 2890.0 | 2897.0 | the neutral thing would sort of gravitate a little towards the positively charged plate and you could basically figure out anti-gravity. | |
| 2897.0 | 2904.0 | From the outside Townsend Brown's sort of looks like an amateurish mid-century physicist and failed inventor, | |
| 2904.0 | 2912.0 | exploring the cookie world of anti-gravity just to end up failing and creating the intellectual property behind the Ionic Breeze Air Purifier. | |
| 2912.0 | 2919.0 | I'm not joking, but a great biography called the Man Who Mastered Gravity by Paul Schott'skin tells the real story. | |
| 2920.0 | 2932.0 | He parachuted behind enemy lines into Germany in 1944 and started looking into the German UFO reverse engineering programs. | |
| 2932.0 | 2933.0 | So that's great. | |
| 2933.0 | 2944.0 | OSS and MI6 Super Spies, Bill Donovan and William Stevenson needed the Allies preeminent anti-gravity scientists to investigate the notorious flu fighter phenomena. | |
| 2945.0 | 2958.0 | These were bizarre orbs that looked like intelligently controlled ball lightning popping up all over Germany in the early 40s and messing with Allied fighter pilots. | |
| 2958.0 | 2965.0 | I couldn't find a ton of corroboration outside of Schott'skin's book on this story, but here's why I think it's true. | |
| 2965.0 | 2971.0 | We do know for a fact that Eisenhower set General James do little to investigate Swedish ghost rockets. | |
| 2972.0 | 2977.0 | These were tons of UFO sightings in Sweden and Finland in the immediate aftermath of World War II. | |
| 2977.0 | 2986.0 | Curiously, do little then went back to the United States just to found the Lindberg Foundation, which researched novel aviation propulsion methods. | |
| 2986.0 | 2991.0 | So it wouldn't be totally surprised if Townsend Brown was tasked with the same thing with food fighters. | |
| 2991.0 | 2997.0 | I mean, there's some other stuff too that I can't talk about that was way before that that you're like, oh shit. | |
| 2998.0 | 3001.0 | But what did Brown's work in anti-gravity have to do with UFOs? | |
| 3001.0 | 3005.0 | While his gravitation looked exactly like a flying saucer. | |
| 3005.0 | 3010.0 | He found that circular craft were better for that application than wingcraft. | |
| 3010.0 | 3015.0 | And behind closed doors, Townsend Brown was obsessed with UFOs. | |
| 3015.0 | 3020.0 | He even created an I-CAP, the National Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomenon. | |
| 3020.0 | 3028.0 | When Townsend's daughter, Linda Brown, and his biographer requested the scientists' records from the Navy, they were at first very uncooperative. | |
| 3028.0 | 3032.0 | And then eventually they hinted that a lot of Brown's work was still classified. | |
| 3032.0 | 3036.0 | But why would Brown's work be classified if he was just a failed hack? | |
| 3036.0 | 3043.0 | The National Seclusiac prevented scientists like tea towns and Brown from commercializing or even publicizing any technology, | |
| 3043.0 | 3047.0 | which could potentially be interpreted as having a military application. | |
| 3048.0 | 3055.0 | Well, we know from shots can spyography that Brown actually had meetings with the highest level officials in American atomic programs. | |
| 3055.0 | 3060.0 | People like Edward Teller, the father of the hydrogen bomb, in general Curtis Lame. | |
| 3060.0 | 3063.0 | Both deep insiders when it came to atomic secrets. | |
| 3063.0 | 3068.0 | Townsend Brown's daughter, Linda, even recalls that he was often taken home in a black Cadillac, | |
| 3068.0 | 3073.0 | driven by a man that she would eventually come to know as Robert Sarbacher. | |
| 3073.0 | 3075.0 | And where have we heard that mysterious name before? | |
| 3075.0 | 3081.0 | Sarbacher, somebody purportedly involved, and the stand-up of the stuff that I uncovered, right? | |
| 3081.0 | 3084.0 | But if you look deeper, things get even weirder with Brown. | |
| 3084.0 | 3093.0 | In the naval records that we do have, it shows that Brown was suddenly terminated by the Navy in 1942, with no explanation, despite strong performance. | |
| 3093.0 | 3099.0 | Two weeks later, he mysteriously pops up as an employee at Martin Corporation in Burbank, | |
| 3099.0 | 3106.0 | just 50 miles from where a skunkworks is founded a year later by legendary aeronautical engineer Telly Johnson. | |
| 3106.0 | 3110.0 | Skunkworks was created to house Martin's most advanced, secretive work. | |
| 3110.0 | 3114.0 | Over 80% of its current projects are still classified. | |
| 3114.0 | 3119.0 | Is it a coincidence that Townsend Brown joined Martin Corporation a year before its founding? | |
| 3119.0 | 3121.0 | And guess who else funded Brown? | |
| 3121.0 | 3123.0 | None other than Agnew Bancen. | |
| 3123.0 | 3129.0 | The team anti-gravity financier who helped send physics into a dead end by popularizing quantum gravity. | |
| 3129.0 | 3131.0 | Okay, okay, Townsend Brown. | |
| 3131.0 | 3135.0 | For me, I want to look back up. I've already done one of the documentaries, actually. | |
| 3135.0 | 3139.0 | Because there is this golden age of early 1970s and everything is sort of one-time. | |
| 3139.0 | 3142.0 | And I think that's an interesting axis for you guys to look into. | |
| 3142.0 | 3145.0 | Okay, this is all interesting, but I know, right? | |
| 3145.0 | 3151.0 | We don't have a smoking gun that any of Brown's work actually got implemented by Deep Black Aerospace. | |
| 3152.0 | 3155.0 | While that's actually not true, we kind of do have evidence. | |
| 3155.0 | 3164.0 | In March of 1992, aviation week broke a story about the B2 stealth bomb that used an electromagnetic effect in its wings, | |
| 3164.0 | 3166.0 | producing a Bifield Brown effect. | |
| 3166.0 | 3171.0 | The B2's surface, its own electrostatic wave, the negative cloud chasing the positive wind. | |
| 3171.0 | 3174.0 | This is an exact description of Townsend Brown's work. | |
| 3174.0 | 3177.0 | And the Bifield Brown effect is literally named after him. | |
| 3178.0 | 3183.0 | And the B2 was built by the merged Northrop Grumman, who's major investor-fluid Odom, | |
| 3183.0 | 3189.0 | was the same guy that invested in Townsend Brown's company guidance technologies in the 60s. | |
| 3189.0 | 3193.0 | I guess Townsend Brown isn't just the wacky fan guy anymore. | |
| 3202.0 | 3204.0 | There's just like this parallel history. | |
| 3204.0 | 3209.0 | It's very tightly coupled to what is known publicly, paperclip, etc. | |
| 3209.0 | 3215.0 | But there's just like other side of it that a lot of it dealt with the UFO UMP issue in earnest. | |
| 3215.0 | 3224.0 | Operation Paperclip was a secret CIA program that took more than 1,600 former Nazi scientists and engineers, | |
| 3224.0 | 3231.0 | and placed them in senior leadership roles in American military intelligence and space programs in the wake of World War II. | |
| 3231.0 | 3236.0 | Germans made more progress than anybody at the time just in aerospace. | |
| 3236.0 | 3239.0 | Generally, the V2 flying rocket was 20, 30 years ago. | |
| 3239.0 | 3244.0 | M2, 2, jet fighter, the whole Wundervuff arsenal. | |
| 3244.0 | 3251.0 | And one has to ask, why do we have such a pressing need to get Warner von Braun and Arthur Rudolph and all these guys? | |
| 3251.0 | 3255.0 | The NASA Saturn program was literally transplantation of the Nazi program. | |
| 3255.0 | 3259.0 | Why was there such a pressing need to get all these people in the US? | |
| 3259.0 | 3262.0 | And maybe it had something to do with the UFO that you know. | |
| 3262.0 | 3265.0 | Because Warner von Braun is also very trippy guy. | |
| 3265.0 | 3272.0 | Remember that story that towns and brown parachuting into Germany to investigate food fighters and Nazi UFO programs? | |
| 3272.0 | 3277.0 | Well, maybe Operation Paperclip had a little more to do with UFOs than meets the eye. | |
| 3277.0 | 3282.0 | Yeah, paperclip's pretty nuts when you think about it, like ethically and morally. | |
| 3282.0 | 3284.0 | You had people that were war criminals. | |
| 3284.0 | 3291.0 | People who were going to be tried at Noronburg, they took off that and then they snatched them and brought them back to the US. | |
| 3291.0 | 3298.0 | And a lot of them became seniors at what became the CIA and you know, and it's like, | |
| 3298.0 | 3300.0 | Yeah, I don't know if it would have happened nowadays. | |
| 3300.0 | 3303.0 | I feel like we would actually not be able to turn a blind eye to the... | |
| 3303.0 | 3304.0 | Oh, there's no chance. | |
| 3304.0 | 3305.0 | Yeah. | |
| 3305.0 | 3306.0 | Where do you want to run over saw? | |
| 3306.0 | 3313.0 | Brutal, mostly Jewish slave labor camp, where tons and tons of people died. | |
| 3313.0 | 3319.0 | And then he went on to literally run our space program and it's pretty interesting history. | |
| 3319.0 | 3324.0 | Yeah, like his boss, like the German general that you know, | |
| 3324.0 | 3331.0 | for Braun worked for back in Germany, you know, came over and was a very high up and he was NASA. | |
| 3331.0 | 3336.0 | After so many weaknesses, it seemed the so called blind saucers. | |
| 3336.0 | 3339.0 | The existence cannot longer be denied. | |
| 3340.0 | 3342.0 | And I was kind of like getting redpilled in the matrix. | |
| 3342.0 | 3343.0 | Yeah. | |
| 3343.0 | 3344.0 | Holy shit. | |
| 3344.0 | 3348.0 | Reality is like way crazy or weirder than I thought. | |
| 3348.0 | 3352.0 | There's more lucky people from the program watching your channel. | |
| 3352.0 | 3353.0 | Power. | |
| 3353.0 | 3355.0 | It's like, I think I tell you that foreshort. | |
| 3355.0 | 3357.0 | They're like, ah, it is Jesse guy. | |
| 3357.0 | 3358.0 | Keep speaking speculation. | |
| 3358.0 | 3360.0 | Is this coming closer and closer? | |
| 3360.0 | 3365.0 | What's the biggest if you have somebody who has a great intelligence on this, | |
| 3365.0 | 3369.0 | he should probably bring him in and not, you know, leave him out there, | |
| 3369.0 | 3370.0 | speculating, right? | |
| 3370.0 | 3373.0 | If you're on the program, yeah, yeah, yeah. | |
| 3373.0 | 3377.0 | I'm strictly the nightmare type. | |
| 3377.0 | 3380.0 | The reports of flying saucers are nothing new. | |
| 3380.0 | 3386.0 | From the beginning of recorded time, men have been seen unexplainable things in the sky. | |
| 3386.0 | 3389.0 | It's one of you told me the other day about this saucer, | |
| 3389.0 | 3390.0 | the flying saucer. | |
| 3390.0 | 3394.0 | Someone said that word before it became in movies or something. | |
| 3394.0 | 3397.0 | Yeah, yeah, we had the public hearing with a yes family. | |
| 3397.0 | 3398.0 | That was brought up. | |
| 3398.0 | 3399.0 | Anyone want to? | |
| 3399.0 | 3405.0 | Yeah, Kenneth Arnold in 1947, two months before Roswell was looking for a down cargo plane in | |
| 3405.0 | 3406.0 | Mount Renewyer. | |
| 3406.0 | 3409.0 | He saw this kind of saucer skipping saucer. | |
| 3409.0 | 3410.0 | Sonser skipping. | |
| 3410.0 | 3412.0 | It was there in a V-flying V formation. | |
| 3412.0 | 3421.0 | But yeah, I think the point of that was in culture, the word flying saucer was not derived from fiction. | |
| 3421.0 | 3422.0 | It's not the way around. | |
| 3422.0 | 3427.0 | It's like people's like our depiction of aliens and flying saucers were actually, | |
| 3427.0 | 3431.0 | were derived from people's real life stories, not the other way around. | |
| 3431.0 | 3434.0 | And that's always a misconception about yes. | |
| 3434.0 | 3436.0 | But this is an important conversation. | |
| 3436.0 | 3438.0 | I don't know if you have an opinion on this. | |
| 3438.0 | 3444.0 | But books like American Cosmic by Dana Pesalka and Passport to McGonia by Jacques Bollet | |
| 3444.0 | 3449.0 | do talk about how the noble mythology of the time, whether it's the religion or media. | |
| 3449.0 | 3454.0 | Do play somewhat of a role in sort of shading how you recollect and experience. | |
| 3454.0 | 3457.0 | So the class, for example, is Betty and Barney Hill in 1961. | |
| 3457.0 | 3464.0 | Outer limits was a CBS show that had played 11 days before that abduction experience. | |
| 3464.0 | 3469.0 | And it showed aliens with eyes that wrapped around the rims of their head. | |
| 3469.0 | 3472.0 | And that's exactly what they described. | |
| 3472.0 | 3476.0 | Yeah, and along the overlay, it's almost like we discussed before where you had like, | |
| 3476.0 | 3480.0 | you know, which is sitting on the chest of people feeling paralyzed and medieval times. | |
| 3480.0 | 3484.0 | It's like, you know, our overlay is this classic alien kind of motif. | |
| 3484.0 | 3489.0 | But like you look at what they said before, the same phenomenon basically when people | |
| 3489.0 | 3491.0 | they're analytical overlays different. | |
| 3491.0 | 3493.0 | So they, you know, describe it in a different way. | |
| 3493.0 | 3494.0 | Right. | |
| 3494.0 | 3497.0 | Leprechaun's various old angels demons. | |
| 3497.0 | 3500.0 | They're just superimposed our own reality onto the thing. | |
| 3500.0 | 3503.0 | Yeah, you're almost like you have like a meme library in your head. | |
| 3503.0 | 3506.0 | And then you have this higher play tonic thing that's happening. | |
| 3506.0 | 3510.0 | And you would attach the the closest meme that you can to it. | |
| 3510.0 | 3511.0 | Yeah, exactly. | |
| 3511.0 | 3513.0 | People have been seeing the same stuff. | |
| 3513.0 | 3519.0 | Like so the tick tack of today was the flying butane tank totally other 1950s. | |
| 3519.0 | 3525.0 | And you can find declassified air force OSI reports that are publicly searchable right now. | |
| 3525.0 | 3528.0 | Yeah, talk about these like flying white butane tank. | |
| 3528.0 | 3529.0 | Right. | |
| 3529.0 | 3532.0 | And you know, the food fighter phenomenon will work too. | |
| 3532.0 | 3538.0 | And then if you were to go way back, you know, you see stuff that's basically described the same in tick. | |
| 3538.0 | 3539.0 | Well, as well. | |
| 3539.0 | 3545.0 | So whether it be extraterrestrial, some other kind of origin, you know, cryptocurrency extraterrestrial, | |
| 3545.0 | 3547.0 | some of the other stuff people asked to wait. | |
| 3547.0 | 3548.0 | Yeah. | |
| 3548.0 | 3550.0 | We deserve to understand, you know, | |
| 3550.0 | 3551.0 | a truth of the universe. | |
| 3551.0 | 3556.0 | And if we have the answer, one of life's questions, right? | |
| 3556.0 | 3558.0 | You know, what happens when we die and are we alone? | |
| 3558.0 | 3561.0 | If we can answer one of those. | |
| 3561.0 | 3568.0 | But it's kept in secret because they believe the public can't handle it or it hinders this like, you know, | |
| 3568.0 | 3572.0 | cool war arms race that I talked about in my first public interview. | |
| 3572.0 | 3574.0 | That seems pretty messed up to me. | |
| 3580.0 | 3584.0 | What do you think about elite interest in the topic? | |
| 3584.0 | 3589.0 | So the Rockefeller's funded Stephen Greer in the 90s and John Mac and John Mac. | |
| 3589.0 | 3592.0 | And they funded the Princeton Parasy Ecology Lab. | |
| 3592.0 | 3594.0 | Then you have Chris Melon, he's a melon. | |
| 3594.0 | 3595.0 | Obviously sort of interest in the subject. | |
| 3595.0 | 3600.0 | I think there are letters between Lawrence Rockefeller and Hillary Clinton and the 90s, where he sort of pushing for disclosure. | |
| 3600.0 | 3601.0 | That's right. | |
| 3601.0 | 3603.0 | Because I think I think was David Rockefeller also. | |
| 3603.0 | 3606.0 | And it was like a camp David meet up. | |
| 3606.0 | 3608.0 | And she's in the end. | |
| 3608.0 | 3609.0 | And she's holding Melon. | |
| 3609.0 | 3610.0 | She's holding Melon both by Paul Davies. | |
| 3610.0 | 3611.0 | Are we alone? | |
| 3611.0 | 3612.0 | Yeah. | |
| 3612.0 | 3613.0 | And the photo of that. | |
| 3613.0 | 3614.0 | And it's wild. | |
| 3614.0 | 3618.0 | Certainly, if you use the Rockefellers as the most prominent example, | |
| 3618.0 | 3622.0 | there's certainly, quote, old money elite interest. | |
| 3622.0 | 3628.0 | And maybe it's because of their interest in frontier science or who knows. | |
| 3628.0 | 3630.0 | I've never talked to the Rockefellers. | |
| 3630.0 | 3633.0 | I have no idea what spurred that interest on. | |
| 3633.0 | 3636.0 | But they were certainly pushing for transparency on the issue. | |
| 3636.0 | 3639.0 | And that's one of the most influential families in America, right? | |
| 3639.0 | 3645.0 | It is important in any scientific process to try to maintain the null hypothesis for as long as possible. | |
| 3645.0 | 3651.0 | And actually, who knew wrote the structure of scientific revolutions, talks about this. | |
| 3651.0 | 3659.0 | And he was friends with John Mac, who was ahead of the Harvard psychiatry department, who tried to maintain a null hypothesis and say, | |
| 3659.0 | 3661.0 | I don't think this is real. | |
| 3661.0 | 3662.0 | Because he started this. | |
| 3662.0 | 3663.0 | He was actually a private clinician. | |
| 3663.0 | 3667.0 | He started to see people who would bring up these alien encounters. | |
| 3667.0 | 3674.0 | And I think the thing that's really important for people is just the amount of credentialed people that once they start to have an open relationship. | |
| 3674.0 | 3677.0 | Like having opened mind and actually genuinely inquire. | |
| 3677.0 | 3680.0 | And usually these people start to take it seriously. | |
| 3680.0 | 3681.0 | Yeah. | |
| 3681.0 | 3686.0 | Like I would get friend Eric Weinstein, who's pretty well respected, public intellectual. | |
| 3686.0 | 3688.0 | You know, I used to just wax poetic. | |
| 3688.0 | 3690.0 | I was like, look, this is real. | |
| 3690.0 | 3691.0 | I promise you this is real. | |
| 3691.0 | 3694.0 | And he used to think, I think his quote is like, | |
| 3694.0 | 3697.0 | This is the one area where you had brain damage. | |
| 3697.0 | 3699.0 | You would not come off of this point. | |
| 3699.0 | 3703.0 | And I was convinced that you were brain damaged on this one issue. | |
| 3703.0 | 3704.0 | No, I really worked. | |
| 3704.0 | 3708.0 | And now, you know, I look, I think, you know, he oscillates, | |
| 3708.0 | 3712.0 | but he's pretty deep into the history to the point where he's, | |
| 3712.0 | 3716.0 | he's bought in that this is at least something worthy of investigation. | |
| 3716.0 | 3720.0 | Yeah, I mean, there's certainly some scholarship there, whether it be Jacques Vellé | |
| 3720.0 | 3722.0 | or, you know, Dinosaurco recently. | |
| 3722.0 | 3725.0 | Jacques Vellé built the earliest version of the internet. | |
| 3725.0 | 3728.0 | You know, Arponette, or he helped it, you know, Doug Engelbart. | |
| 3728.0 | 3731.0 | And as a serious astronomer, as people have serious background. | |
| 3731.0 | 3734.0 | And I was a really hardcore intel guy working on some of the hardest, | |
| 3734.0 | 3737.0 | most deep black stuff. | |
| 3737.0 | 3740.0 | And I didn't really think much about UFOs, | |
| 3740.0 | 3742.0 | but I started looking into it. | |
| 3742.0 | 3745.0 | You know, I have like people in tears, like, you know, | |
| 3745.0 | 3747.0 | naval officers pilots, etc. | |
| 3747.0 | 3751.0 | wanting to tell me what they literally saw, you know, | |
| 3751.0 | 3754.0 | and, you know, either a lot of people are having psychological breaks. | |
| 3754.0 | 3758.0 | There's a lot of weird weather phenomena that manifests themselves | |
| 3758.0 | 3763.0 | in physical, tangible, like metallic looking crafts that are close. | |
| 3763.0 | 3765.0 | That seems crazy to me. | |
| 3765.0 | 3771.0 | And I'm like, well, these people deeply believe what they saw. | |
| 3771.0 | 3774.0 | And I have to take them seriously. | |
| 3774.0 | 3776.0 | So we need to figure out what this one on is. | |
| 3776.0 | 3778.0 | Carl Young wrote a book about flying, | |
| 3778.0 | 3780.0 | Steve, it's the book is called Flying Sossers. | |
| 3780.0 | 3784.0 | And he talks about flying sossers as the kind of mandala, | |
| 3784.0 | 3787.0 | the Sanskrit symbol of psychic completeness. | |
| 3787.0 | 3791.0 | And it's this proto-psychological desire for us to, like, | |
| 3791.0 | 3796.0 | have this kind of revelation of, like, knowing everything all at once. | |
| 3796.0 | 3798.0 | And what was crazy about is he wrote the book, and he was, like, | |
| 3798.0 | 3801.0 | this is just kind of a symbolic, psychological archetype. | |
| 3801.0 | 3806.0 | And then afterwards, he became convinced that the phenomena was actually real. | |
| 3806.0 | 3809.0 | There are things flying around up there that we haven't fully identified yet. | |
| 3809.0 | 3812.0 | The Roswells are very interesting place with a lot of people | |
| 3812.0 | 3814.0 | that would like to know what's going on. | |
| 3814.0 | 3818.0 | We've got footage and records of objects in the skies | |
| 3818.0 | 3821.0 | that we don't know exactly what they are. | |
| 3821.0 | 3827.0 | We saw a bright light up here in the distant, uh, western skies. | |
| 3827.0 | 3831.0 | Okay, at this point in the video, you might be thinking, | |
| 3831.0 | 3834.0 | there's actually a decent amount of evidence for UFOs. | |
| 3834.0 | 3839.0 | So why are people so reflexively and often smuggly dismissive of the topic? | |
| 3839.0 | 3841.0 | Noteproductions, notalien. | |
| 3841.0 | 3843.0 | Once on the one hand, it's a fair reaction. | |
| 3843.0 | 3847.0 | There are a multitude of profit and attention seeking sholadins in the space. | |
| 3847.0 | 3850.0 | People who have absolutely no interest in pursuing truth, | |
| 3850.0 | 3853.0 | who embellish stories and sell snake oil for 11. | |
| 3853.0 | 3856.0 | Then, of course, you have your counterintelligence crew | |
| 3856.0 | 3860.0 | through inconstant smoke bombs and trying to confuse you and throw you off the trail. | |
| 3860.0 | 3865.0 | But maybe the most important point when discussing the insane stigma around UFOs | |
| 3865.0 | 3870.0 | is that some of the biggest, most prominent skeptics over the last 50 years. | |
| 3870.0 | 3875.0 | The people who've done more damage to open research on the topic than anyone else | |
| 3875.0 | 3879.0 | were you guessed it from the atomic programs. | |
| 3879.0 | 3885.0 | The same atomic programs, Dave, is saying are responsible for initially studying UFOs | |
| 3885.0 | 3887.0 | and then establishing their secrets. | |
| 3887.0 | 3891.0 | I find it really interesting that you have some of the most prominent debunkers, | |
| 3891.0 | 3897.0 | guys like Menzel, guys like Condon, HP Robert's, who were kind of big shots. | |
| 3897.0 | 3900.0 | Who would also work on the Manhattan Project. | |
| 3900.0 | 3901.0 | Condon was involved. | |
| 3901.0 | 3903.0 | Oh, I didn't realize that. | |
| 3903.0 | 3904.0 | Yeah, I just did. | |
| 3904.0 | 3906.0 | Yeah, I worked with Men of our Bush a lot. | |
| 3906.0 | 3908.0 | Oh, really? Oh yeah. | |
| 3908.0 | 3909.0 | Yeah. | |
| 3909.0 | 3914.0 | Edward Uler Condon was a mid-century quantum physicist | |
| 3914.0 | 3919.0 | and no single person is more responsible for the marginalization of UFOs | |
| 3919.0 | 3922.0 | than this man and his famous Condon committee. | |
| 3922.0 | 3929.0 | This 1966 investigation into UFOs was paid for but supposed to be uninfluenced by the Air Force. | |
| 3929.0 | 3935.0 | But we now know that Condon was actually coordinating closely with Air Force officials like Colonel Robert | |
| 3935.0 | 3942.0 | Hitler, who had expressed clear written desire that all previous UFO research be shown as a waste of money. | |
| 3942.0 | 3949.0 | The Condon committee's report dealt a death blow to UFO research in the second half of the 20th century. | |
| 3949.0 | 3954.0 | The backstory here is that Condon was very deep in the world of atomic secrets. | |
| 3954.0 | 3959.0 | Not only did he study with Robert Oppenheimer under Max Boren in Germany together in the 20s, | |
| 3959.0 | 3965.0 | he's sometimes credited for helping Oppenheimer pickloss Alamos as the site for the Manhattan Project. | |
| 3965.0 | 3969.0 | Condon knew the area well having grown up around the corner in Alamagora. | |
| 3969.0 | 3974.0 | He also recruited a lot of the projects early staff and wrote the Los Alamos primer. | |
| 3975.0 | 3978.0 | The document all employees had to read before arrival. | |
| 3978.0 | 3988.0 | Then in 1946, Condon helped straff the McMahon atomic energy act, which again Dave is literally saying establishes the framework for UFO secrecy. | |
| 3988.0 | 3993.0 | The McMahon Act of 46, which was the predecessor to the atomic energy act in 1954. | |
| 3993.0 | 4002.0 | The guys that were involved in Manhattan were overlaying the same ecosystem of secrecy in some of the same ways to protect stuff of the air protecting our nuclear secrets. | |
| 4002.0 | 4009.0 | So Condon was probably glued into high-level UFO secrets from the start, and how many people were deterred from studying UFOs | |
| 4009.0 | 4014.0 | because this one high prestige quantum physicist told them it was a waste of time. | |
| 4014.0 | 4024.0 | So was Condon just an insider who knew the truth behind UFOs and was he used by the original atomic UFO programs and by the Air Force to downplay it? | |
| 4024.0 | 4035.0 | Bob Luzar said he worked at a secret facility near Groon Lake where alien technology was being reversed engineer. | |
| 4035.0 | 4038.0 | Dave, think Bob Luzar is full of shit. | |
| 4038.0 | 4046.0 | Bob Luzar is by far the most famous case of somebody who publicly claims to have secretly worked on reverse engineering UFOs. | |
| 4046.0 | 4052.0 | He outed himself in 1989, and since then has remained remarkably consistent in his story, | |
| 4052.0 | 4058.0 | even while the tractors cite that he possibly faked his educational credentials at MIT. | |
| 4058.0 | 4065.0 | He ended up actually recently going on Joe Rogan, and it's still like this bizarre split where so many people were like he was right. | |
| 4065.0 | 4072.0 | He was right and people are now using your testimony to say he's totally vindicated, and then the verdict's still out because I, | |
| 4072.0 | 4078.0 | a lot of UFOologists or UFO people that I really respect are just pretty skeptical. | |
| 4078.0 | 4079.0 | So I don't have any of them. | |
| 4079.0 | 4082.0 | I'm certainly different than him. | |
| 4082.0 | 4084.0 | I came at it from a different angle. | |
| 4084.0 | 4087.0 | I have no information on Bob Luzar. | |
| 4087.0 | 4091.0 | It wasn't in the scope of my looking into it kind of activities. | |
| 4091.0 | 4096.0 | If he actually never experienced what he experienced, like literally I have no idea. | |
| 4097.0 | 4102.0 | Honestly, I go back and forth on whether Bob Luzar is telling the truth all the time. | |
| 4102.0 | 4108.0 | On the one hand, the guy sells a lissit chemicals on a sketchy website, invested in a brothel, | |
| 4108.0 | 4110.0 | and seems like a petty con man and criminal. | |
| 4110.0 | 4114.0 | But on the other hand, he definitely has some engineering prowess. | |
| 4114.0 | 4117.0 | He strapped a jet engine to the back of his Honda. | |
| 4117.0 | 4122.0 | He may have actually met with Edward Teller, and he probably did do some work at Los Alamos. | |
| 4122.0 | 4124.0 | Finally, his story just seems so consistent. | |
| 4124.0 | 4127.0 | He really doesn't seem like a guy who thinks he's lying. | |
| 4127.0 | 4130.0 | It looks like there's a lot of weird stuff about the Bob Luzar story. | |
| 4130.0 | 4133.0 | His story has been absolutely consistent since the late 1980s. | |
| 4133.0 | 4140.0 | It's a classic intelligence tactic to give people 95% correct information and 5% false information. | |
| 4140.0 | 4144.0 | You can track the flow of information by the uniquely false details in it. | |
| 4144.0 | 4146.0 | And you can easily discredit the leak. | |
| 4146.0 | 4149.0 | Bob Luzar would hang around some interesting characters. | |
| 4149.0 | 4154.0 | Guys like John Lear, who flew cargo planes for the CIA in the 70s. | |
| 4154.0 | 4157.0 | Lear definitely seemed to spread disinformation in other cases. | |
| 4157.0 | 4164.0 | He was also the son of Bill Lear, inventor of the Lear jet, who may have been involved in the original UFO program. | |
| 4164.0 | 4170.0 | My question is, did John Lear manipulate Luzar into spreading a bunch of pure disinformation? | |
| 4170.0 | 4175.0 | And so Luzar's claim that he worked on UFOs was all a complete lie. | |
| 4175.0 | 4178.0 | Or was Luzar just a disclosure test for Lear and others around him? | |
| 4178.0 | 4181.0 | Let's see how the public reacts to this guy. | |
| 4181.0 | 4184.0 | He's easy to discredit, but mostly telling the truth. | |
| 4184.0 | 4193.0 | Personally, I'm not sure what to think and would love to meet Luzar myself and ask him what he meant when he told Jacques Bollet about the liquid he was made to drink. | |
| 4193.0 | 4195.0 | And the memory lapses it caused. | |
| 4195.0 | 4198.0 | And about his relationship with John Lear. | |
| 4198.0 | 4202.0 | This is probably a small contingency out there that says, | |
| 4202.0 | 4204.0 | US needs to maintain primacy. | |
| 4204.0 | 4210.0 | You have this exotic tech that we've found, in the case of whatever crashes that have occurred. | |
| 4210.0 | 4213.0 | We don't know exactly what to do with it. | |
| 4213.0 | 4216.0 | Maybe we made more progress early on than we have now. | |
| 4216.0 | 4222.0 | We need to kind of refresh the talent pool and maybe out ourselves as a program and front-run immunity. | |
| 4222.0 | 4224.0 | You know, through legislature to do that. | |
| 4224.0 | 4226.0 | What do you say to those people that you know? | |
| 4226.0 | 4228.0 | Because I mean, that's something I tried to expel's a new nation. | |
| 4228.0 | 4231.0 | I can't remember how they edited it or whatever. | |
| 4232.0 | 4237.0 | It actually hurts national supremacy to keep it obtusely secret. | |
| 4237.0 | 4238.0 | Yeah, that's what you think. | |
| 4238.0 | 4249.0 | You can't even bring the right people on it, you know, say the best theoretician in quantum chroma dynamics just happens to smoke marijuana. | |
| 4249.0 | 4252.0 | So you can't get a clearance and you can't get on the program. | |
| 4252.0 | 4257.0 | So it actually hurts, you know, national security by not opening it up. | |
| 4257.0 | 4263.0 | But it's not going to be a police in an appropriate way that we're not compromising anything somebody could use. | |
| 4263.0 | 4265.0 | It's a list of people. | |
| 4265.0 | 4268.0 | But at least, and that's why I use the nuclear physics example. | |
| 4268.0 | 4270.0 | The program should want to out itself. | |
| 4270.0 | 4274.0 | Yeah, it's like, yeah, protect what would be weaponized. | |
| 4274.0 | 4277.0 | But generally allowed to be studied openly. | |
| 4277.0 | 4282.0 | But there's absolutely no coaching plan that I'm aware of to do so. | |
| 4282.0 | 4287.0 | The congressman, do you think that these diverse engineering programs have made any progress or do you think? | |
| 4287.0 | 4289.0 | Yeah, I do. I don't think they can, they're done scraped. | |
| 4289.0 | 4291.0 | Because they did, we wouldn't. | |
| 4291.0 | 4294.0 | We would own the skies if they had it. | |
| 4294.0 | 4298.0 | Isn't it in their best interest to just get a immunity for themselves and try to refresh the talent pool? | |
| 4298.0 | 4303.0 | If these people are, you know, it's that they're all old and it's completely apart mentalized and they haven't made. | |
| 4303.0 | 4306.0 | You know, the Wilson veteran, completely aeridated. | |
| 4306.0 | 4309.0 | They're like, they're like, they're above the walls, they're above the walls. | |
| 4309.0 | 4312.0 | And then they're like, why wouldn't they release in the Kennedy files? | |
| 4312.0 | 4314.0 | No, he's a lot, 60 years, but every president. | |
| 4314.0 | 4316.0 | He gives a connection between that and this. | |
| 4316.0 | 4319.0 | He has heard of her dad out, I would hate to speculate. | |
| 4319.0 | 4323.0 | I'm just, I want to start this, just give me the stuff. | |
| 4323.0 | 4325.0 | God, she's gone. Thank you. | |
| 4325.0 | 4335.0 | We must guard against the acquisition of unwanted influence, whether sought or unsought by the military, industrial complex. | |
| 4335.0 | 4339.0 | I have no idea if JFK's death had anything to do with UFOs. | |
| 4339.0 | 4346.0 | But there is a letter that was supposedly declassified due to a freedom of information act request in 2006. | |
| 4346.0 | 4350.0 | It was from JFK to the director of the CIA at the time John McCone. | |
| 4350.0 | 4356.0 | It's date November 12th, 1963, just 10 days before the president's assassination. | |
| 4356.0 | 4364.0 | In the letter, JFK is asking for the full data on unknowns or UFOs, so we can coordinate more tightly with Russians in space. | |
| 4364.0 | 4369.0 | And they don't mistake these UFOs as acts of American aggression or reconnaissance. | |
| 4369.0 | 4375.0 | I've called the guy who used the freedom of information act to retrieve this document, like five times now, | |
| 4375.0 | 4377.0 | and he's not playing ball. | |
| 4377.0 | 4380.0 | So I have no idea if this document is real. | |
| 4380.0 | 4387.0 | And an anonymous archivist that handles a lot of JFK's letters say that there are some anomalies in the letter that make him skeptical. | |
| 4387.0 | 4388.0 | So who knows? | |
| 4388.0 | 4393.0 | But I will say this is a very weird non-secretor from former CIA director Mike Pompeo, | |
| 4393.0 | 4399.0 | when asked why the nearly 5,000 JFK files still won't be released to this day. | |
| 4399.0 | 4402.0 | Why do you fight to keep the JFK files secret? | |
| 4402.0 | 4406.0 | These don't hold the dark secrets that everybody wants to just hold up as the bogeyman. | |
| 4406.0 | 4409.0 | I saw the UFO files too. We've got bigger problems. | |
| 4411.0 | 4417.0 | What do you say to the people who say this is a si-off, and they just want black budget funding, | |
| 4417.0 | 4423.0 | the information might be right, but they just want to, you know, be able to have increased surveillance in the skies and in space or whatever. | |
| 4423.0 | 4428.0 | Yeah, that comes up, I think, with some people that have like an issue with it, where you gotta remember, like, | |
| 4428.0 | 4432.0 | national security threat is the way to get Congress alerted and engaged. | |
| 4432.0 | 4439.0 | And that is like the operative word that Congress responds to the narrative that this could be a threat. | |
| 4439.0 | 4443.0 | Because look, to be honest with you, I think this stuff's been going on for thousands of years. | |
| 4443.0 | 4450.0 | And so it does frustrate me a little bit when it's like, you know, we need to be able to shoot these things down. | |
| 4450.0 | 4456.0 | It's like, I don't think they're really it. You know, immediate existential threat is my, as my strong advice. | |
| 4456.0 | 4458.0 | These are the smartest ideas. | |
| 4458.0 | 4460.0 | Just a fireback, but they're not firing at you. | |
| 4460.0 | 4465.0 | We'll take you out real quick if they can fly fast and light and do all these stuff they're doing. | |
| 4465.0 | 4471.0 | Yeah, probably not a good idea, we probably shouldn't attack the Z keeper. | |
| 4471.0 | 4475.0 | Yeah, exactly the ones act as who keepers. Oh, that's a really good idea. | |
| 4475.0 | 4480.0 | Stick to the facts, write it down and don't speculate what you think it is because it will square decision. | |
| 4480.0 | 4486.0 | The thing that frustrated me about the hearing was, look, I think Ryan Graves is awesome. | |
| 4486.0 | 4489.0 | And I think as his commander David Fraver, I think they're showing a lot of courage. | |
| 4489.0 | 4496.0 | But it felt like they're simple takeaways. We need more sensors and we need a better collection process and more standard taxonomy. | |
| 4496.0 | 4498.0 | All of which are very important. | |
| 4498.0 | 4512.0 | But it's this kind of lazy data story that I think comes from Silicon Valley where it's like, if we just get a bigger database of the UFOs, a machine learning classifier will somehow spit out the answer as to what they are. | |
| 4512.0 | 4519.0 | You know, if you're going to get from external observation, at least for the ones I look through, right, you're going to get what they call activity based intelligence, ABI. | |
| 4519.0 | 4521.0 | So you'll figure out where the true hot spots are. | |
| 4521.0 | 4526.0 | But it's not the end of the, end of the, if you have, you're trying to find a needle in a hay stack. | |
| 4526.0 | 4533.0 | You don't want to add to the hay stack. And I think we are over indexed on a cure saturated with data. | |
| 4533.0 | 4538.0 | Over saturated with data in some ways, and it could be probably better standardized. So I'll give them that. | |
| 4538.0 | 4547.0 | But we're under indexed on theory. And to my mind, we have one pretty strong theoretician in, in, in, in, in, in, joccalay, | |
| 4547.0 | 4558.0 | who really, if you read like the invisible college, which he wrote in 1975, that is the tip of the spear now in terms of theory on UFOs, which is wild to me. | |
| 4558.0 | 4562.0 | Joccalay might be the most preeminent UFO researcher in the world. | |
| 4562.0 | 4571.0 | In fact, he was Steven Spielberg's inspiration for the eccentric French scientist played by Franz Wattier-Foe in close encounters of third time. | |
| 4571.0 | 4579.0 | And nobody's really replaced him at that level. And especially hypotheses that are even a little more testable. | |
| 4579.0 | 4585.0 | But what the average person might not know about Joc is that he's obsessed with time travel. | |
| 4585.0 | 4589.0 | In fact, on the set of close encounters, he got new and argument with Steven Spielberg. | |
| 4590.0 | 4598.0 | And we had a long discussion about what UFOs could be. And of course, for him, the main point of the movie was entertainment. | |
| 4598.0 | 4603.0 | And it was appropriate for the UFOs to be extraterrestrial visitors. | |
| 4603.0 | 4608.0 | Joc wanted the UFOs and the aliens in the movie to be represented in a more nuanced way. | |
| 4608.0 | 4612.0 | And actually linked with time travel, not just space travel. | |
| 4612.0 | 4618.0 | But I think that the extraterrestrial hypothesis is actually more far-fetched. | |
| 4618.0 | 4628.0 | I think the idea that another species would evolutionarily converge to be bipedal to have kind of the symmetric, you know, bipedal, or silinary symmetry. | |
| 4628.0 | 4635.0 | Yeah, because if we look at like the aerial school event, you know, if we believe the hundred school children that saw bipedal, you know, | |
| 4636.0 | 4645.0 | hominid looking kind of NHI, that seems pretty rare to have the same development where they're going to get to the extraterrestrial. | |
| 4645.0 | 4655.0 | And we're seeing bioengineered beings that look similar to us for ease of communication and acceptance. | |
| 4655.0 | 4665.0 | And that is like almost like an avatar for the intelligence behind it, you know, the ghost behind the machine or whatever that they were engineered specifically to look like that. | |
| 4665.0 | 4667.0 | It wasn't natural. | |
| 4667.0 | 4684.0 | Joc's air in the UFO theory world is a guy named Mike Masters, a biological anthropologist at Montana Tech University, who believes that aliens are basically just humans from the future who figured out time travel and are going back in time to visit us in the present. | |
| 4684.0 | 4689.0 | We see them less often because we're just one small blip on their geographic map of time. | |
| 4689.0 | 4694.0 | I like this sort of, you know, beings from the future hypothesis for a few reasons. | |
| 4694.0 | 4703.0 | So there's actually a concept in evolutionary biology called Neotony where you're distant offspring looks like your kids currently. | |
| 4703.0 | 4712.0 | And if you think about a lot of these sort of closing counters of the third kind, they often are described as, you know, the beings are sort of childlike in nature. | |
| 4712.0 | 4718.0 | If you think about how we're actually evolving as a species, you know, our bodies are becoming somewhat vestigial. | |
| 4718.0 | 4722.0 | You know, we have an abundant amount of resources that are being distributed to us. We don't need them. | |
| 4722.0 | 4724.0 | You know, the apologies are going to change. | |
| 4724.0 | 4728.0 | Just whether or well a little bit and then our brains are becoming actually more important. | |
| 4728.0 | 4730.0 | Decision making is becoming more important. | |
| 4730.0 | 4734.0 | If we have any sort of latent intuitive powers, that's going to be more important. | |
| 4734.0 | 4737.0 | And these things are supposedly a little more telepathic. | |
| 4737.0 | 4739.0 | Their eyes are sort of slits. | |
| 4739.0 | 4741.0 | You know, have more screen time going forward. | |
| 4741.0 | 4746.0 | And so it does feel like that's kind of the way that we're evolving. | |
| 4746.0 | 4748.0 | The living room. | |
| 4748.0 | 4751.0 | Aliens are weirdly non-interventionist. | |
| 4751.0 | 4758.0 | In many of the abductions that get reported, it's almost like they have a prime directive to not say or do too much. | |
| 4758.0 | 4763.0 | In fact, in many cases, Mike Masters studied, the abductees had to sanitize themselves. | |
| 4763.0 | 4768.0 | Shower or do chemical rinses before boarding the alien craft. | |
| 4768.0 | 4773.0 | This would make sense as time travel involves all sorts of issues like the grandfather paradox. | |
| 4773.0 | 4776.0 | You can't go back in time until your own grandfather. | |
| 4776.0 | 4780.0 | Otherwise, how would you exist in the present? | |
| 4780.0 | 4788.0 | Any little thing you do in the past might dramatically change timelines or trajectories in a way that breaks the present. | |
| 4788.0 | 4793.0 | So maybe this alien non-interventionism points further towards the time travel theory. | |
| 4793.0 | 4796.0 | Many abductees also report lost time. | |
| 4796.0 | 4801.0 | Again, this might be explained by abductions occurring in another temporal dimension. | |
| 4801.0 | 4804.0 | No, no, no, no. | |
| 4810.0 | 4815.0 | Times crazy because it's defined at some levels as the plonklank threat. | |
| 4815.0 | 4819.0 | The time it takes a like a photon to light across. | |
| 4819.0 | 4820.0 | And you know plonklank. | |
| 4820.0 | 4825.0 | And you know plonklank literally after discovering the plonklank thought that that would be the best way to communicate. | |
| 4825.0 | 4828.0 | With aliens because it's the literally the shortest link. | |
| 4828.0 | 4831.0 | It's like he would joke about that. | |
| 4831.0 | 4833.0 | Yeah, it's all relative, right? | |
| 4833.0 | 4837.0 | It's you know, based on your reference frames, especially if you're near a gravitational source. | |
| 4837.0 | 4843.0 | You know, general relativity teaches us that clock see their speed up or slow down. | |
| 4843.0 | 4849.0 | You know, based on where their near a gravitational source or not, you know, | |
| 4849.0 | 4852.0 | and one over our squared over distance, you know, it comes off. | |
| 4852.0 | 4857.0 | And we've proven that having sees him clock on airplanes in the 70s, we actually showed. | |
| 4857.0 | 4861.0 | Tom a clock difference is based on force of gravity. | |
| 4861.0 | 4865.0 | Yeah, time is really not a constant the way we can visualize time. | |
| 4865.0 | 4866.0 | It's not constant at all. | |
| 4866.0 | 4869.0 | And yet it's the felt sense of it is constant. | |
| 4869.0 | 4874.0 | Maybe true ontological reality time is way tripier than we realize. | |
| 4874.0 | 4877.0 | And maybe that speaks to this sort of alien thing, | |
| 4877.0 | 4883.0 | especially because people seem to see crafts and aliens when they're in specific kind of heightened | |
| 4883.0 | 4885.0 | states of consciousness. | |
| 4885.0 | 4891.0 | And so maybe time doesn't work quite the way we think it is, but in ordinary consciousness, | |
| 4891.0 | 4897.0 | we sort of snap it into this kind of linear classical epistemology that we experience. | |
| 4897.0 | 4901.0 | Yeah, that's what I was trying to expose upon when I mentioned the holographic principle. | |
| 4901.0 | 4906.0 | If you want to imagine a 3D object such as yourself casting a shadow onto a 2D surface, | |
| 4906.0 | 4909.0 | that's the holographic principle. | |
| 4909.0 | 4912.0 | So you can be projected, quasi projected from higher dimensional space, | |
| 4912.0 | 4913.0 | to lower dimensional. | |
| 4913.0 | 4916.0 | It's a scientific trope that you can actually cross. | |
| 4916.0 | 4920.0 | Originally the holographic principle was created to explain how information is encoded on an event horizon, | |
| 4920.0 | 4922.0 | an emblaid cool. | |
| 4922.0 | 4927.0 | But like maybe that's what we're seeing is we're seeing higher dimensional stuff casting shadow | |
| 4927.0 | 4931.0 | into our space, just like how we cast a shadow on a 2 dimensional surface, | |
| 4931.0 | 4933.0 | which is like the sidewalk, right? | |
| 4933.0 | 4938.0 | Well, if you were on flat land, you would have no idea that it's like crazy 3D monster was, you know, | |
| 4938.0 | 4943.0 | out there, but all you're seeing is the shadow in this co-quasi projection. | |
| 4943.0 | 4948.0 | And maybe some of the UAPs are not even, they're here, but they're not actually from out there. | |
| 4948.0 | 4950.0 | I cannot show you a tester, right? | |
| 4950.0 | 4954.0 | Because I and you are trapped in 3 dimensions. | |
| 4954.0 | 4962.0 | But what I can show you is the shadow in 3 dimensions of a 4 dimensional hyper cube or a testerite. | |
| 4962.0 | 4963.0 | This is it. | |
| 4963.0 | 4971.0 | Well, if it exists outside of 4D, you know, time space or whatever, say this is, you know, you have a 2D universe, | |
| 4971.0 | 4973.0 | and this is a 3D object. | |
| 4973.0 | 4978.0 | If it intersects, you're just going to see a sliver of it, so you'll just see it does. | |
| 4978.0 | 4980.0 | Now it makes sense, I think, in two ways. | |
| 4980.0 | 4984.0 | One is that a lot of people that seem to see crafts, and sometimes quote, | |
| 4984.0 | 4988.0 | unquote, go inside of them, the inside is bigger than the outside. | |
| 4988.0 | 4993.0 | So Jacques Delay describes a woman in San Jose seeing this, you know, flying saucer, she walks in, | |
| 4993.0 | 4995.0 | she's in a movie theater, all of a sudden. | |
| 4995.0 | 5001.0 | I was when, when Casey, good old son Jose, a woman had seen something over her house, | |
| 5001.0 | 5002.0 | it was a big disk. | |
| 5002.0 | 5008.0 | Then I say, well, when you went inside, you said, you know, there was this being, | |
| 5008.0 | 5011.0 | and the being took you on a staircase. | |
| 5011.0 | 5014.0 | I say, where did the staircase go? | |
| 5014.0 | 5019.0 | Well, the staircase went up the side of this big round room. | |
| 5019.0 | 5024.0 | It's the, how would you compare it as well, like a movie house, you know, | |
| 5024.0 | 5029.0 | like an amphitheater, but I said, that's bigger than your house. | |
| 5029.0 | 5031.0 | Why is the inside bigger than the outside? | |
| 5031.0 | 5035.0 | And so this is a constant sort of, again, if we're looking for patterns, | |
| 5035.0 | 5041.0 | and that's a good way to kind of theorize, you know, that would make sense if it's the shadow casting sort of. | |
| 5041.0 | 5046.0 | And that, well, almost that almost sounds like a physical translation from lower to higher dimensional space. | |
| 5046.0 | 5052.0 | That seems to be what's going on there, and I don't, I don't know if we have a good framework of how to smoothly, | |
| 5052.0 | 5055.0 | yeah, do something like that, I don't even know. | |
| 5060.0 | 5064.0 | Hey, I think if anyone would know about aliens on Earth, they would probably be me. | |
| 5064.0 | 5068.0 | Is it topping on the alien bandwagon as of the last two days, by the way? | |
| 5068.0 | 5072.0 | He, well, he did, and then he goes, somebody should win psi up of the year award or so. | |
| 5072.0 | 5075.0 | I don't know what, it's like what do you think, man? What's your, what's your take? | |
| 5075.0 | 5077.0 | He was just riding the furlipist. | |
| 5077.0 | 5081.0 | Of course, sweet, I'm not gonna say the real is, but like, yeah. | |
| 5081.0 | 5083.0 | Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure what's going on. | |
| 5083.0 | 5086.0 | I think he's probably a little pissed because he's using chemical propulsion. | |
| 5086.0 | 5087.0 | Yeah, exactly. | |
| 5087.0 | 5088.0 | Well, he's like propulsion. | |
| 5088.0 | 5093.0 | Well, we need to have a huge of our generation to get access to the good stuff. | |
| 5094.0 | 5098.0 | I've always found it fascinating that America's real life Iron Man, | |
| 5098.0 | 5103.0 | it's most impressive industrialist, seems to be so sure of the fact that we're in a simulation. | |
| 5103.0 | 5107.0 | The odds that we're in base reality is one in billions. | |
| 5108.0 | 5111.0 | But doesn't like entertaining any possible sightings of aliens. | |
| 5111.0 | 5116.0 | If we're in a simulation, why aren't you doing any speculating as to who simulated us? | |
| 5116.0 | 5120.0 | I mean, if they show up, I'm like, great, okay, now this is new information. | |
| 5120.0 | 5127.0 | The conventional story, especially after the Copernican Revolution, is that the Earth is a lucky accident that allows for life. | |
| 5127.0 | 5131.0 | You do have sort of weird aspects of reality like the anthropic principle. | |
| 5131.0 | 5133.0 | Like the idea of Planck's constant was slightly different. | |
| 5133.0 | 5139.0 | Or if you're a hydrogen bonded with oxygen in a different way that didn't form these perfect crystal structures, | |
| 5139.0 | 5141.0 | ice wouldn't float above water. | |
| 5141.0 | 5143.0 | Usually solid sink below liquid. | |
| 5143.0 | 5145.0 | Yeah. And we wouldn't have a habitable Earth. | |
| 5146.0 | 5150.0 | And so you have all these sort of things in physics that if they were slightly different, | |
| 5150.0 | 5154.0 | we wouldn't have this sort of goldy locks perfect habitables. | |
| 5154.0 | 5159.0 | Oh, yeah, I mean, Earth's very finely tuned, right? The temperature gradient is just enough for us. | |
| 5159.0 | 5162.0 | Is that a coincidence or the aliens set this up? | |
| 5162.0 | 5163.0 | I don't know. | |
| 5163.0 | 5165.0 | You could even think of like highs and burglars in certain deep principle, | |
| 5165.0 | 5168.0 | where you can't measure position in momentum at the same time, | |
| 5168.0 | 5171.0 | as like a computational caching function. | |
| 5171.0 | 5172.0 | Interesting. | |
| 5172.0 | 5173.0 | I can't even figure it out. | |
| 5173.0 | 5176.0 | Yeah, yeah. Your arms not that good, stuff. | |
| 5181.0 | 5183.0 | And maybe if we are in a simulation, | |
| 5183.0 | 5187.0 | our perceptive capabilities were artificially limited by the simulators. | |
| 5187.0 | 5192.0 | We only see between 400 and 700 nanometers of the electromagnetic wave spectrum. | |
| 5192.0 | 5194.0 | We only hear certain frequencies. | |
| 5194.0 | 5197.0 | That's why dog whistles are inaudible to humans. | |
| 5197.0 | 5201.0 | If we really wanted to create safe artificial general intelligence, | |
| 5201.0 | 5206.0 | we might initially experiment with artificial life so limited in its perception | |
| 5206.0 | 5210.0 | that it doesn't even know we exist, so it definitely can't hurt us. | |
| 5210.0 | 5214.0 | Forward looking infrared caught the famous Tic-Tac video in 2004. | |
| 5214.0 | 5219.0 | What if we had infrared sensors or for that matter, gravity wave detectors in our pockets? | |
| 5219.0 | 5221.0 | How many more sightings would we have? | |
| 5221.0 | 5226.0 | That explains why UFOs are disproportionately picked up by military bases. | |
| 5226.0 | 5232.0 | It's the robust multisensory detection that you find on those bases that makes all the difference. | |
| 5232.0 | 5241.0 | There is no understanding of alien visits that has them only visit restricted navy airspace | |
| 5241.0 | 5244.0 | to be picked up by pilots. | |
| 5244.0 | 5250.0 | That's an observer in collection bias issue where you have all the eyeballs and all the sensors in those areas. | |
| 5250.0 | 5251.0 | Sure. That's a good point. | |
| 5251.0 | 5255.0 | If you were to do an activity based intelligence across the globe, | |
| 5255.0 | 5259.0 | we actually have an open and honest kind of collection system. | |
| 5259.0 | 5262.0 | I think we'd probably see some hot spots that don't even make any sense. | |
| 5262.0 | 5265.0 | You know, I don't like throwing shade, but like Neil and Grass Tyson, right? | |
| 5265.0 | 5266.0 | Oh yeah. | |
| 5266.0 | 5267.0 | He's made up his mind. | |
| 5267.0 | 5269.0 | I read his tweets and I'm like, | |
| 5269.0 | 5272.0 | dude, you have a PhD in physics. Where's your curiosity? | |
| 5272.0 | 5273.0 | I can't even believe. | |
| 5273.0 | 5277.0 | There's no evidence that would convince an authentic skeptic. | |
| 5277.0 | 5280.0 | I have credentials too, and I'm happy to go toe-to-toe with you. | |
| 5280.0 | 5283.0 | If you once did the bait me, I'd be punished. | |
| 5283.0 | 5284.0 | If you once did the bait me, I'd be punished. | |
| 5284.0 | 5287.0 | If you once did the bait me, I'd be punished. | |
| 5287.0 | 5289.0 | When I started studying physics and college, | |
| 5289.0 | 5293.0 | I became an Intel guy, and I got briefed a lot of programs. | |
| 5293.0 | 5296.0 | I figured, oh, I would know if it's a thing. | |
| 5296.0 | 5301.0 | And I kind of ascribe to the the Rico Fermi thing where, | |
| 5301.0 | 5307.0 | when it'd be obvious when they'd just be flying around and they wouldn't care, | |
| 5307.0 | 5309.0 | and they would just land and say, hello. | |
| 5309.0 | 5310.0 | Yeah. | |
| 5310.0 | 5313.0 | But that's like an overly simplistic thought evenistic too. | |
| 5313.0 | 5314.0 | Very realistic. | |
| 5314.0 | 5315.0 | Yeah. | |
| 5315.0 | 5318.0 | Humanistic. You're assuming that they have the same kind of intent as us. | |
| 5318.0 | 5324.0 | You assume they operate in the electromagnetic spectrum that we can observe normally. | |
| 5324.0 | 5331.0 | And then also, you're assuming that they would want this kind of open, obvious kind of interaction | |
| 5331.0 | 5334.0 | and are not doing cover concealment techniques, | |
| 5334.0 | 5337.0 | where they're, you know, obviously skating their activity because maybe there's, | |
| 5338.0 | 5342.0 | observing us for some purpose for what if they're Von Neumann Probes, right? | |
| 5342.0 | 5344.0 | You guys know Von Neumann Probes? | |
| 5344.0 | 5346.0 | No. Von Neumann replicators. | |
| 5346.0 | 5351.0 | Which is like self replicating tech that if that's disposable in nature, | |
| 5351.0 | 5356.0 | if you're trying to send something out simple and engineered to explore the cosmos. | |
| 5356.0 | 5360.0 | And there's only a question of like, what was the first self replicating organism? | |
| 5360.0 | 5365.0 | Like I think the big mystery is how does chemistry turn into biology? | |
| 5365.0 | 5369.0 | And we have this, these people that say, oh, it was just this primordial soup. | |
| 5369.0 | 5373.0 | And you had all these chemicals kind of like floating around and they've done experiments like this | |
| 5373.0 | 5376.0 | and never been able to recreate life through those experiments. | |
| 5376.0 | 5380.0 | And it's a really open question like how did life form? | |
| 5380.0 | 5385.0 | And I think it's probably much more trippy and interesting than like just a chemical soup. | |
| 5385.0 | 5387.0 | Just the chemicals happen to bond in a certain way. | |
| 5387.0 | 5388.0 | It's a happy accident. | |
| 5388.0 | 5394.0 | And Chris, few was that DNA could not have emerged accidentally from the primeval soup. | |
| 5394.0 | 5398.0 | And it was a primeval soup on this planet in just 100 million years. | |
| 5398.0 | 5402.0 | It needed much longer to, he still bought into the primeval soup idea, | |
| 5402.0 | 5404.0 | but not on this planet. | |
| 5404.0 | 5405.0 | Yes. | |
| 5405.0 | 5408.0 | What he came down to was that there must have been some other planets somewhere else, | |
| 5408.0 | 5411.0 | where a primeval soup had existed. | |
| 5411.0 | 5417.0 | And there had been enough time for DNA to emerge from the accidental bumping together of molecules. | |
| 5417.0 | 5420.0 | That's by the way something I'm a bit skeptical of anywhere. | |
| 5420.0 | 5425.0 | So they have a kind of evolutionary theorist and philosopher on re-bergsome. | |
| 5425.0 | 5429.0 | He thought the sun was somehow essential to evolution. | |
| 5429.0 | 5431.0 | If you think about it, it's an excention. | |
| 5431.0 | 5433.0 | You need mutations. | |
| 5433.0 | 5435.0 | You need genetic mutations for evolution. | |
| 5435.0 | 5438.0 | It's a radiological, you know, it's at least put an ultraviolet. | |
| 5438.0 | 5440.0 | You know, so totally. | |
| 5440.0 | 5443.0 | Why are we worried about Japanese nuclear spill? | |
| 5443.0 | 5445.0 | What happened at Fukushima in Chernobyl? | |
| 5445.0 | 5448.0 | You had an acceleration of evolution due to radiation. | |
| 5449.0 | 5455.0 | Maybe the sun is an extremely sophisticated nuclear fusion reactor that powers the Earth. | |
| 5455.0 | 5459.0 | And the Earth's electromagnetic field was simulated to support life. | |
| 5459.0 | 5464.0 | Astronauts often have to take human resonance machines up with them to space | |
| 5464.0 | 5466.0 | to mimic the electromagnetic field of the Earth. | |
| 5466.0 | 5469.0 | Otherwise, their bodies often malfunction. | |
| 5469.0 | 5473.0 | You know, if you put a frog embryo in a ferritate cage, | |
| 5473.0 | 5475.0 | it does not develop normally. | |
| 5475.0 | 5483.0 | And then if you can change the cell gradient of a tadpole, | |
| 5483.0 | 5488.0 | where you've severed the arm of the tadpole to the cell gradients of the head cells | |
| 5488.0 | 5492.0 | and you can grow a chimera-k2-editadpole. | |
| 5492.0 | 5497.0 | And so there's something around the electromagnetic field that is orthogonal | |
| 5497.0 | 5501.0 | and maybe even upstream of DNA in terms of morphology. | |
| 5501.0 | 5507.0 | Yeah, because it doesn't experiments too with a plank growth around high power for Wi-Fi routers. | |
| 5507.0 | 5510.0 | And then actually, oh yeah, don't grow right now. | |
| 5510.0 | 5512.0 | It's like pretty, so you gotta get certain. | |
| 5512.0 | 5514.0 | I think I want the Wi-Fi in my house and like, how man am I? | |
| 5514.0 | 5517.0 | Like, cooking myself slowly or something? | |
| 5522.0 | 5525.0 | Dave Randis morning and elaborating. | |
| 5525.0 | 5527.0 | Like this. | |
| 5527.0 | 5533.0 | You want the name of the llama, laborer? | |
| 5533.0 | 5534.0 | Laborer? | |
| 5534.0 | 5536.0 | Yeah, the name of the llama is boy. | |
| 5536.0 | 5538.0 | Hey! | |
| 5538.0 | 5540.0 | Oh, man! | |
| 5540.0 | 5541.0 | Dad! | |
| 5546.0 | 5547.0 | You recognize me? | |
| 5547.0 | 5548.0 | This is stuff on ATV. | |
| 5548.0 | 5550.0 | Rook percent. | |
| 5551.0 | 5555.0 | Over the past days, you shared with us that you were diagnosed | |
| 5555.0 | 5558.0 | to be on the autism spectrum. | |
| 5558.0 | 5562.0 | How has this served you in your life and in your career? | |
| 5562.0 | 5564.0 | And how has it hindered you? | |
| 5564.0 | 5570.0 | Yeah, I mean, I didn't know that I was autistic until I was like in my early 30s. | |
| 5570.0 | 5577.0 | So I mean, it served me well in the government because I was super good at doing intel and like, you know, Dave. | |
| 5577.0 | 5580.0 | We want you to target this facility. | |
| 5580.0 | 5582.0 | Okay, you have six months. | |
| 5582.0 | 5583.0 | Figure out everything. | |
| 5583.0 | 5584.0 | I know, and of course, I do. | |
| 5584.0 | 5586.0 | And I'd say, you know, that was very good. | |
| 5586.0 | 5595.0 | But I think, especially if you're trying to maintain relationships and stuff and how to read people's emotions and how to show your own emotions. | |
| 5595.0 | 5603.0 | Because, you know, autistic, especially if you're, you know, deeper in the spectrum when you get aspergers and that kind of stuff. | |
| 5603.0 | 5610.0 | You don't know how to even present your emotions in a way to a partner or, you know, spouse or whatever. | |
| 5610.0 | 5614.0 | And at the moment, tell me, like, general stuff, and I'd be like, yeah, that makes sense. | |
| 5614.0 | 5616.0 | Yeah, they're probably alien. | |
| 5616.0 | 5619.0 | It's like that makes sense. | |
| 5619.0 | 5626.0 | Unfortunately, Dave Can't talk about the backlash he's received from inside the government, because of an ongoing investigation. | |
| 5626.0 | 5635.0 | But a good example of a pretty despicable marginalization attempt from the outside was an article written a few weeks after the hearing by the intercept. | |
| 5635.0 | 5638.0 | The article describes Dave's hospitalization back in 2018. | |
| 5638.0 | 5643.92 | 18. An episode of alcohol consumption and suicidal ideation that led to a 911 call. | |
| 5643.92 | 5647.8 | But the article failed to mention any of the factors that led to this incident. | |
| 5647.8 | 5650.88 | Yeah, definitely experience really not stuff. | |
| 5650.88 | 5656.4 | Not only has Dave been very open with us and other media about his PTSD from combat | |
| 5656.4 | 5659.72 | experience and having a close friend die while on duty. | |
| 5659.72 | 5664.0 | At a friend of mine died, doing the same stuff I was, you know, six months later, | |
| 5664.0 | 5668.28 | going to the same location, he's also discussed all of the suffering that's resulted | |
| 5668.28 | 5669.64 | from that experience. | |
| 5669.64 | 5673.04 | And the proactive techniques he's used to heal from that trauma. | |
| 5673.04 | 5679.76 | So like EMDR therapy, uh, breth work, all that stuff, I was not a believer, but | |
| 5679.76 | 5681.36 | holy, at least it worked for me. | |
| 5681.36 | 5685.2 | And I highly recommend anybody that has issues with that, maybe try some of that stuff, | |
| 5685.2 | 5690.92 | because it seems kind of nontraditional, but I, it was very valuable. | |
| 5691.16 | 5695.28 | Criticting the substance of Dave's argument, saying that they're high level or second | |
| 5695.28 | 5698.68 | hand, that's all within the public and media's right. | |
| 5698.68 | 5701.52 | But this was a clear cheap shop, a low blow. | |
| 5701.52 | 5706.84 | And one that I suspect was probably driven by a political ulterior motive, concealing the | |
| 5706.84 | 5707.84 | truth. | |
| 5707.84 | 5725.72 | People like send me memes or like TikToks and like, yep, that's mine. | |
| 5725.72 | 5729.2 | Have you, in your time in the Navy, have you ever seen something that you couldn't | |
| 5729.2 | 5735.4800000000005 | explain or something that we have a cabin of mountains and down our former Navy, he was so | |
| 5735.5599999999995 | 5737.719999999999 | interested in you like those. | |
| 5737.719999999999 | 5742.4 | And he moved to Roswell, Mexico because he wanted to be close. | |
| 5742.4 | 5750.2 | He claimed he did see something. | |
| 5750.2 | 5754.28 | You know, another question that I always got is like, why is it always an American thing? | |
| 5754.28 | 5757.0 | Like, why is it always happening in America? | |
| 5757.0 | 5759.16 | The phenomenon's global, 100%. | |
| 5759.16 | 5762.639999999999 | Like, I mean, you look aerial schools, Russians have reported stuff. | |
| 5762.72 | 5768.8 | The Chinese have what they call the journal UFO research, which is a published | |
| 5768.8 | 5771.88 | periodical in the people's Republic of China. | |
| 5771.88 | 5777.96 | And you can remember, you know, the CCP does not allow fringe beliefs. | |
| 5777.96 | 5783.76 | And, you know, it's basically tacitly endorsed and allowed the, since I think the late 90s | |
| 5783.76 | 5784.76 | I want to say. | |
| 5784.76 | 5790.280000000001 | Do you think the three body problem, kind of the dark forest analogy of aliens was | |
| 5790.28 | 5793.48 | maybe sort of a form of soft disclosure from the Chinese government? | |
| 5793.48 | 5798.44 | I mean, I don't know for sure, but they've allowed this sci-fi series to be published | |
| 5798.44 | 5801.5199999999995 | by this Chinese author that's like pretty trippy. | |
| 5801.5199999999995 | 5806.88 | And I don't know, maybe that's a way for the Chinese government to climateize the | |
| 5806.88 | 5807.88 | populists. | |
| 5807.88 | 5812.599999999999 | Do note in the South China morning post, I want to say it was June 2021. | |
| 5812.599999999999 | 5815.84 | And they had an article like, oh yeah, we have a UAP task force two. | |
| 5815.84 | 5818.96 | We're using AIML to look at UAP sightings. | |
| 5818.96 | 5823.8 | And that's really been their own overt messaging on UAP, at least to an English speaking | |
| 5823.8 | 5824.8 | kind of audience. | |
| 5824.8 | 5826.32 | Oh yeah, we understand that's a problem. | |
| 5826.32 | 5829.12 | We have a task force two. | |
| 5829.12 | 5833.04 | Isn't what's happening in Ukraine, kind of an argument against the practical application | |
| 5833.04 | 5838.12 | of these technologies because of either side wanted it kind of definitively when and | |
| 5838.12 | 5840.4 | you had this kind of facet might travel. | |
| 5840.4 | 5845.88 | Then would you have to be willing to reveal your ace on the whole tech? | |
| 5845.92 | 5847.56 | Because once you use it, then you burn it. | |
| 5847.56 | 5848.72 | And then now everybody knows. | |
| 5848.72 | 5849.56 | Gotcha. | |
| 5849.56 | 5854.28 | Perhaps this is a good time to talk about the frame of the public debate on UAPs, which | |
| 5854.28 | 5857.08 | is frustratingly stupid and simplistic. | |
| 5857.08 | 5862.28 | It's frozen between a sensationalist indiscriminate belief in everything and smuggly | |
| 5862.28 | 5863.72 | elitist dismissiveness. | |
| 5863.72 | 5868.4800000000005 | The whole conversation is basically, is this a si-up or is this real? | |
| 5868.4800000000005 | 5870.4800000000005 | The answer is it's both. | |
| 5870.4800000000005 | 5873.0 | Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. | |
| 5873.0 | 5877.96 | In fact, if the phenomena is real, there are more likely to be si-ups surrounding it. | |
| 5877.96 | 5882.4 | And those si-ups are going to be more effective if the phenomena is real. | |
| 5882.4 | 5886.52 | And yeah, if there are vehicles in the sky running circles around American state of the | |
| 5886.52 | 5891.0 | art fighter jets, do you not think the government would try to get in front of that narrative | |
| 5891.0 | 5893.56 | and at times use it for its own purposes? | |
| 5893.56 | 5897.0 | We know the Air Force tried to marginalize UFOs with blue book. | |
| 5897.0 | 5902.92 | But later in 1979, the Air Force drove him in crazy by playing up his belief in aliens. | |
| 5902.92 | 5905.4800000000005 | And he's all done with, sure, are you familiar with him? | |
| 5905.4800000000005 | 5907.24 | I've heard about it, yeah. | |
| 5907.24 | 5912.88 | He saw some strange craft activity and didn't know what it was. | |
| 5912.88 | 5923.16 | And Richard Dody, who was an Air Force dissin-phoga, was kind of assigned to screw him up mentally. | |
| 5923.16 | 5925.6 | So we know UFOs are part si-up. | |
| 5925.6 | 5926.6 | That's old news. | |
| 5926.6 | 5930.04 | The real question is, is this only a si-up? | |
| 5930.04 | 5935.08 | As if it is, it cuts against everything we know about our pretty dysfunctional government. | |
| 5935.08 | 5937.48 | It's basically the best si-up of all time. | |
| 5937.48 | 5941.12 | It runs across government agencies that don't always get along. | |
| 5941.12 | 5946.04 | Presidents on both sides of the aisle, fighter pilots and radar operators who adhere | |
| 5946.04 | 5947.96 | to a culture of humility. | |
| 5947.96 | 5952.76 | And of course, hundreds of thousands, if not millions of average civilians. | |
| 5952.76 | 5958.68 | The null hypothesis that this is purely a si-up is almost harder to defend than just | |
| 5958.68 | 5961.76 | admitting the existence of non-human intelligence. | |
| 5961.76 | 5965.64 | But you shouldn't blindly trust me or Dave Grush for that matter. | |
| 5965.64 | 5970.12 | Do your own research. | |
| 5970.12 | 5974.52 | Talk about people like Stephen Pinker who were like, this is the best we've ever had. | |
| 5974.52 | 5975.52 | I think that's BS. | |
| 5975.52 | 5977.52 | So maybe violence is at an all-time low. | |
| 5977.52 | 5978.92 | But it's because we have noxnets. | |
| 5978.92 | 5981.4400000000005 | So any war is mutually a shared destruction. | |
| 5981.4400000000005 | 5987.240000000001 | And so if there's a world beyond the material world, and that can somehow be accessed or | |
| 5987.28 | 5992.84 | communicated with in any possible way, it might be a sort of a crazy hail Mary. | |
| 5992.84 | 5994.8 | But you got to throw the hail Mary now. | |
| 5994.8 | 5996.32 | You can't run the ball. | |
| 6000.599999999999 | 6002.639999999999 | Is there something you would like to say directly to someone? | |
| 6002.639999999999 | 6003.639999999999 | On the program? | |
| 6003.639999999999 | 6010.719999999999 | Yeah, if you're on the program, I understand empathetically, you know, the risks. | |
| 6010.719999999999 | 6016.5599999999995 | What you put yourself through, we're trying to create a time where we can get this out there. | |
| 6016.56 | 6018.96 | We're group better people. | |
| 6018.96 | 6020.96 | Hopefully protect those who want to go forward. | |
| 6020.96 | 6024.120000000001 | If you want to go forward, there is a legal process. | |
| 6024.120000000001 | 6029.4400000000005 | Even through PPD19, if it's an Intel thing, there's other inspector generals. | |
| 6029.4400000000005 | 6031.92 | You do have the right to go directly to Congress. | |
| 6031.92 | 6035.84 | And then of course, some of the senior leaders that have not about this stuff. | |
| 6035.84 | 6041.120000000001 | And I understand they were in positions where they had to make decisions, just like anybody else. | |
| 6041.120000000001 | 6043.320000000001 | And they're not at the top of the pyramid. | |
| 6043.36 | 6052.599999999999 | I think the time is right to submit maybe your final legacy and to help out, even though I know there'll be some admittance of, you know, | |
| 6052.599999999999 | 6056.5199999999995 | maybe decisions you've made that you wish in the past, maybe you didn't make. | |
| 6056.5199999999995 | 6059.28 | But I think it's time to move forward. | |
| 6059.28 | 6064.679999999999 | And I think it'll be stronger as a nation and as a world. | |
| 6064.679999999999 | 6070.48 | I think it's going to enhance national security, enhance peer competition, policing. | |
| 6070.48 | 6073.0 | So people aren't doing things on ethical and immoral. | |
| 6073.0 | 6079.919999999999 | If everything's in secret, everybody can get away with things that might be illegal on ethical and moral. | |
| 6079.919999999999 | 6085.839999999999 | And in a whole door of a series accountable, publicly if this is a thing that we acknowledge. | |
| 6085.839999999999 | 6088.4 | And once again, nuclear physics broadly studied. | |
| 6088.4 | 6091.759999999999 | Nuclear weapons development, that's classified. | |
| 6091.759999999999 | 6093.759999999999 | So that's all I have to say. | |
| 6093.759999999999 | 6094.959999999999 | It just, just come on. | |
| 6094.959999999999 | 6098.36 | Do you think in some ways, UFOs are like a roarshock test. | |
| 6098.36 | 6099.959999999999 | And the way I mean that is. | |
| 6100.92 | 6108.36 | And so you know, you could use them as an auspice to sort of clamp down and create one world government or something and create, | |
| 6108.36 | 6111.4800000000005 | you know, extra surveillance and say, you know, this is this big thread. | |
| 6111.4800000000005 | 6115.08 | And you know, we're not at the top of the food chain and their apex predators. | |
| 6115.08 | 6118.04 | And you know, we've got to be careful watch your step. | |
| 6118.04 | 6122.36 | Or they could be incredibly libertarian because it's like, actually, you know, | |
| 6122.36 | 6127.4 | terrestrial government's art as powerful, maybe as we thought that they were. | |
| 6127.48 | 6130.679999999999 | And, you know, I think it can go in either direction. | |
| 6130.679999999999 | 6134.36 | Yeah, I thought we're just like they're just simply waiting until we like generally care. | |
| 6134.36 | 6135.16 | Yeah. | |
| 6135.16 | 6137.48 | That we've just like, we look at it. | |
| 6137.48 | 6139.08 | We're like, oh, that's interesting. | |
| 6139.08 | 6140.44 | And then we go about our day. | |
| 6140.44 | 6144.12 | And we don't even integrate the phenomenon into our lives. | |
| 6149.4 | 6155.879999999999 | In terms of people's reaction to this, look, I'm angry about possible white collar crime, | |
| 6155.88 | 6159.72 | especially the, you know, people possibly being driven crazy or to their debt. | |
| 6159.72 | 6160.76 | That's horrible. | |
| 6160.76 | 6161.400000000001 | Yeah. | |
| 6161.400000000001 | 6168.28 | And then I also think on some level, people are too focused on government kind of recrimination. | |
| 6168.28 | 6172.6 | It is time for transparency, transparency, transparency, transparency. | |
| 6172.6 | 6176.28 | And not on the fact that this is the nature of reality. | |
| 6176.28 | 6178.68 | These things might make you a biblical literalist. | |
| 6178.68 | 6181.8 | As he kills all the whale baby part of the camera, I'm waiting for you. | |
| 6181.8 | 6187.0 | Do you believe that the phenomenon is the next big great religion in the world? | |
| 6187.0 | 6188.4400000000005 | Yeah, basically. | |
| 6188.4400000000005 | 6190.4400000000005 | And I'm when on this probably already in Fluent, | |
| 6190.4400000000005 | 6191.8 | still the other religions are ready. | |
| 6191.8 | 6194.12 | So it's just a main rule looking at the source code. | |
| 6194.12 | 6195.88 | Yeah, if you look at the source code. | |
| 6195.88 | 6197.64 | We're at the graphic user interface level. | |
| 6197.64 | 6200.6 | It's like IP header, or get into, | |
| 6200.6 | 6202.4400000000005 | follow it into the information flow. | |
| 6204.68 | 6209.4800000000005 | And her book American Cosmic, Diana Pesolka, makes the pretty convincing case | |
| 6209.48 | 6213.5599999999995 | that many seemingly divine contact experiences in the past | |
| 6213.5599999999995 | 6216.919999999999 | could have actually been what we now call UFO experiences. | |
| 6216.919999999999 | 6219.32 | Just take the case of St. Francis of Assisi. | |
| 6219.32 | 6222.839999999999 | His close confinant, Brother Leo, documents the experience, | |
| 6222.839999999999 | 6226.679999999999 | describing sound and fury creating atmospheric sparks, | |
| 6226.679999999999 | 6231.08 | a spinning disc, telepathic communication between Francis and the disc. | |
| 6231.08 | 6234.12 | And then Francis is wounded by rays of light. | |
| 6234.12 | 6238.04 | Francis interprets these hand wounds as the stigma of Christ. | |
| 6238.04 | 6241.96 | But Pesolka speculates that maybe this was just radiation damage | |
| 6241.96 | 6243.16 | from a UFO experience. | |
| 6246.36 | 6248.04 | It was reasonably religious. | |
| 6248.04 | 6250.28 | But nothing like crazy, kind of average. | |
| 6251.24 | 6252.04 | Studied physics. | |
| 6252.04 | 6253.64 | I became kind of agnostic. | |
| 6253.64 | 6257.16 | I was like, I don't know about this all this kind of woo-woo, | |
| 6257.16 | 6259.32 | stuff that the church expels is and stuff. | |
| 6259.32 | 6265.48 | And then oddly enough, I've kind of come full circle in some sense | |
| 6265.48 | 6267.48 | where there is this higher sentence. | |
| 6268.839999999999 | 6273.879999999999 | There seems to be, I think we're created beings in some manner, | |
| 6273.879999999999 | 6277.32 | whether it be some Pam Spurmia from Little G. God or Big G. God. | |
| 6277.32 | 6282.04 | I think about the people, the journey I had in the most random people | |
| 6282.04 | 6285.4 | that I've known that were placed in my life like 14 years ago, | |
| 6285.4 | 6288.759999999999 | you know, shut the door my office at NGN, like, low-dude. | |
| 6288.759999999999 | 6291.16 | And, you know, they started telling me all this stuff that I was, | |
| 6291.16 | 6293.4 | and I brought these like crazy Intel reports. | |
| 6293.48 | 6297.5599999999995 | I guess I was kind of the right guy that was chosen to do this thing, I guess. | |
| 6297.5599999999995 | 6301.5599999999995 | But, um, so you have come full circle in my belief system. | |
| 6305.24 | 6309.719999999999 | For me, it's inspiring because it's like this idea that it's just, you know, | |
| 6309.719999999999 | 6313.639999999999 | drink and be married or whatever. You know, you just you live, you pay taxes, | |
| 6313.639999999999 | 6315.4 | you work a job, and then you die. | |
| 6315.4 | 6318.44 | Yeah, that's meaning the life. I'm just like the Vatican Observatory saying, | |
| 6318.44 | 6322.44 | yeah, we're like cool with other sentient life that shows God paints like, | |
| 6322.759999999999 | 6324.679999999999 | you know, broad brush, and that's pretty cool. | |
| 6324.679999999999 | 6328.2 | And I Catholic Church is very accepting on that and it just shows, | |
| 6328.919999999999 | 6332.919999999999 | you know, God's Providence and God's creative powers if there's actually other | |
| 6333.639999999999 | 6335.719999999999 | interesting sentient societies. Totally. | |
| 6335.719999999999 | 6339.4 | It would be, it's like, you know, what was it in the movie contact? | |
| 6339.4 | 6341.639999999999 | It's a total waste of space if it's just us. | |
| 6341.639999999999 | 6345.639999999999 | Yeah. It's like the famous line in the movie. Carl Segler was a great communicator. | |
| 6345.639999999999 | 6347.24 | Probably one of the best. Yeah. | |
| 6347.24 | 6350.28 | Yeah. They also met a lot with Kit Green towards the end of his career. | |
| 6351.0 | 6353.639999999999 | TA, Gary, and UFO. Yeah, you were telling me that. | |
| 6353.639999999999 | 6356.5199999999995 | I knew that. So you can count on Jesse. | |
| 6356.5199999999995 | 6357.719999999999 | Tell you these three years. Yeah. | |
| 6357.719999999999 | 6360.759999999999 | Yeah. I thought I would use a lot of useless knowledge. | |
| 6360.759999999999 | 6365.32 | No, it goes like, it's not useless, but it's pretty useless. | |
| 6365.32 | 6367.08 | It's pretty useless until now. | |
| 6367.08 | 6374.679999999999 | This is like the mega interview we're covering every potential trippy slash | |
| 6375.0 | 6379.4800000000005 | esoteric. This is like a spiritual thing out at once. | |
| 6379.4800000000005 | 6383.4800000000005 | This justifies me being paranoid in my room, | |
| 6383.4800000000005 | 6388.200000000001 | or getting about weird shit and being criticized by friends and colleagues for years. | |
| 6388.200000000001 | 6392.76 | Yeah, this is like, this is more you educating me than me saying anything for some of you. | |
| 6392.76 | 6397.0 | Right now. So, uh, so it's kind of cool. Yeah, I'm a lot of | |
| 6397.0 | 6400.76 | scholars. So I don't want to talk to you and sometimes I'm like hanging up the phone, | |
| 6400.76 | 6402.76 | call me and I'm like, I don't know about this. | |
| 6403.72 | 6407.400000000001 | I'm doing great. I think I think like really go a deep life. | |
| 6407.400000000001 | 6411.24 | I think he's, uh, losing his grip. Yeah. | |
| 6411.24 | 6414.280000000001 | But, uh, oh my god. | |
| 6414.280000000001 | 6415.72 | That was a crazy hummingbird. | |
| 6415.72 | 6417.0 | That was a crazy hummingbird. | |
| 6417.0 | 6418.6 | Maybe there's a DARPA spy camera. | |
| 6418.6 | 6420.6 | Oh man, that's a good time, bro. | |
| 6420.6 | 6422.360000000001 | That's not a nine-mind version of the year. | |
| 6425.0 | 6429.56 | It brings science and religion together in a way that these two things have been sort of | |
| 6430.52 | 6433.96 | cleaved or bifurcated since the Enlightenment. | |
| 6433.96 | 6438.6 | This could possibly reconcile those two things, which is it would be absolutely amazing where | |
| 6438.6 | 6442.84 | you could read the Bible and you could say some of this stuff could actually happen in a context of | |
| 6442.84 | 6443.96 | millennia. | |
| 6443.96 | 6448.52 | Creationism. This might actually prove certain religious texts and what they have | |
| 6448.52 | 6454.04 | expoused with like, you know, little giggas and at least for me, you know, spiritually, | |
| 6454.68 | 6461.88 | at least my belief system. It's certainly open my eyes to the, you know, the universe is not clockwork. | |
| 6461.88 | 6466.76 | Everything we see in our day-to-day life is not everything that exists. | |
| 6466.76 | 6471.48 | And if there's truly other sentient intelligences, I mean, it just inspires my curiosity. | |
| 6471.48 | 6475.08 | Like, I'd like to know that their belief systems are and how, | |
| 6475.08 | 6479.88 | maybe we'll find out that that matches with ours, that it actually bolsters our, you know, | |
| 6480.52 | 6484.92 | maybe we can send to the upper your video in the Berkshire's. | |
| 6484.92 | 6486.84 | Well, you want to repeat it, I'm on? | |
| 6486.84 | 6491.96 | Yeah, I mean, the ending result was, is the universe ignoring us. | |
| 6491.96 | 6498.4400000000005 | Because we're not at their level yet, we haven't reached that height of awareness in the society as | |
| 6498.4400000000005 | 6499.24 | a people. | |
| 6499.24 | 6505.72 | Is this an opportunity for us to examine ourselves to figure out why we have not been a part of this | |
| 6505.72 | 6507.08 | bigger ecosystem? | |
| 6507.16 | 6508.68 | Interesting friend visiting us. | |
| 6512.68 | 6513.88 | Not giving me time. | |
| 6513.88 | 6517.0 | We have evidence of non-human intelligence. | |
| 6518.6 | 6522.76 | One of the most powerful witness testimonies that I've seen in all the interviews that I've | |
| 6522.76 | 6528.04 | consumed over the past three years was one of the girls from the aerial school case. | |
| 6529.08 | 6533.96 | Dr. John Mac was interviewing her and he's trying to understand how the telepathy was working. | |
| 6533.96 | 6535.72 | And then she goes out of nowhere. | |
| 6535.72 | 6539.32 | I think in space there's no love but down here there is. | |
| 6539.32 | 6548.04 | Well, that's like the near the near-death experiences like a proof of heaven by Ebenele Exander medical doctor. | |
| 6548.04 | 6548.68 | Have you? | |
| 6548.68 | 6553.56 | Yeah, he is a very interesting scientific outlook of his near-death and that was like this like | |
| 6554.68 | 6559.96 | overarching like loving energy, something when he ascended to this, | |
| 6559.96 | 6564.68 | something like another dimensional plane, if you go to his, he had basically a fascist | |
| 6564.68 | 6569.4800000000005 | eye to see the brain where it was like, you know, he was probably going to be brain dead if he even | |
| 6569.4800000000005 | 6573.24 | survived but he miraculously came back and he was totally fine. | |
| 6573.24 | 6576.2 | But well, this knowledge and all this will be experienced. | |
| 6576.2 | 6581.56 | Well, that's a super common thing in alien abduction experiences, whether it's the aerial school | |
| 6581.56 | 6585.72 | or a commander George Hoover of the Navy actually talked about this. | |
| 6585.72 | 6589.08 | Aliens often come down they say, you don't know how powerful you are. | |
| 6589.08 | 6592.76 | You don't know how how amazing and powerful you are. | |
| 6592.76 | 6598.360000000001 | And in a lot of mystery rituals like, you know, the L. E. Sineen mystery rituals and others, | |
| 6599.240000000001 | 6604.280000000001 | you experience sort of no excess or it's often accompanied by a kind of a near-death experience or | |
| 6604.280000000001 | 6610.04 | something. But you experience knowledge of your primordial soul and you get this sort of loving | |
| 6610.12 | 6616.5199999999995 | state and then you come back down and there is this sort of all-ah jesus translation function | |
| 6616.5199999999995 | 6620.6 | issue where, you know, he was known to speak in riddles and, you know, mysteries. | |
| 6620.6 | 6623.96 | There's a great book actually called Flatland by Sir Edwin. | |
| 6623.96 | 6628.68 | Yeah, that's super class in the late 19th century where it's like if you were a 3D person | |
| 6628.68 | 6635.64 | speaking to a people in Flatland on a 2D plane or, you know, Plato's cave like you see the light | |
| 6635.64 | 6639.32 | you come down you can't really tell people and then you get persecuted. | |
| 6639.32 | 6644.5199999999995 | Well, yeah, he said he had this knowledge. He understood it when he was in that plane. | |
| 6644.5199999999995 | 6650.44 | But when he came back and was trying to verbalize it and write it down, he could not find the human | |
| 6650.44 | 6658.92 | human words to translate it. It's like almost like our our symbol rate is too slow to communicate the | |
| 6658.92 | 6661.0 | you know, the information effectively. | |
| 6661.8 | 6672.6 | We're living in a very interesting time. Yeah. I'm excited to see where it goes and you're playing | |
| 6672.6 | 6678.12 | massive part of it. So I appreciate everything. Your service just on a fundamental level, you know, | |
| 6678.12 | 6683.88 | and you're a real example of like a modern Mr Smith goes to Washington and you're not doing it | |
| 6683.88 | 6690.36 | in this sort of totally reckless, wrecking ball sort of way or going through the proper processes | |
| 6690.44 | 6696.599999999999 | and doing things legally, but also you have agency and you're doing it strategically time after time | |
| 6696.599999999999 | 6702.28 | again, people just get like a neutered when they're in government and you are doing a big thing. | |
| 6702.28 | 6704.28 | So that's cool for young people to see. | |
| 6710.759999999999 | 6713.4 | Thank you, Dave. Thank you for everything, man. Yeah. | |
| 6713.799999999999 | 6721.32 | Yeah. We talked about a lot of shit. Ladies and gentlemen, Neil Armstrong. | |
| 6723.32 | 6730.28 | Today we have with us a group of students among America's best. There are great ideas | |
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