discussion on viewer or browser for poi

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Kagami, [12.10.17 09:53]
besides，why is the channel named poi-viewer

Kagami, [12.10.17 09:54]
should it be poi-browser or not？

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 09:58]
well, discord guys tend to call it poi viewer, so I figure that would be fine

Kagami, [12.10.17 10:06]
but this is officially called browser

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 10:07]
well I dunno

Kagami, [12.10.17 10:07]
seems better if we could keep it unified

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 10:09]
perhaps player prefers viewer to keep it in sync with V in KCV

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 10:09]
no, poi is poi

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:09]
I agree that without context it's hard to figure out what poi is

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 10:09]
I wasn't rly sure what's poi's official name

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:09]
And appending _viewer_ is better for marketing

Jennings Wu, [12.10.17 10:10]
Its offical name is Yūdachi

Kagami, [12.10.17 10:10]
well, the heading description has been using the term browser

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 10:10]
I'm not sure either

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:10]
Calling it _poi_ can mislead people into thinking it is a Yuudachi fan club

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 10:11]
hm, would term "browser" commonly implying a web browser?

Kagami, [12.10.17 10:11]
And in Chinese descriptions too

Jennings Wu, [12.10.17 10:11]
Isn't it a Yuudachi fan club?

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:12]
If English-native speakers think it's better called a viewer than a browser

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:12]
Then I think it's best to comply to that

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:12]
Since English names are meant for them to understand

Kagami, [12.10.17 10:12]
I think making such a change is acceptable, and this is something to  unify

Ocean Kochiya, [12.10.17 10:12]
It will decided by doujin so just leave it away

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:12]
It's just concerning that

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 10:13]
We ve used
Scalable KanColle Browser and Tool
?

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:14]
The word "Scalable" is debatable in the first place

Ocean Kochiya, [12.10.17 10:15]
<del>scalable</del>hackable

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:15]
extensible

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 10:15]
No scalable

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 10:16]
what about .. expandable ?

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:16]
[In reply to Javran Cheng]
Do you mean Extensible?

Ocean Kochiya, [12.10.17 10:16]
Its scalable but its not based on JVM lol

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 10:16]
nope

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 10:16]
I think scalable is good

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 10:16]
just expandable

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 10:16]
expandable in space and cost

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:16]
Expandable in space
-> You can stretch it into full screen

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:17]
Nice boat

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 10:17]
because it can scale to fix your memory

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 10:17]
sounds legit

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:17]
[In reply to Hanzhao Lin]
Seriously that's called Unscalable though.

Kagami, [12.10.17 10:17]
Being the official channel often means it’s name is official, do we agree that the official name is poi viewer?

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 10:18]
So in fact, poi is a bad name

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 10:18]
I don't know if anything on our official website specifically says the term "poi browser"

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:19]
Official name for project: poi
Official channel name in a kancolle group: poi viewer
Official name for outside: poi Kancolle viewer

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 10:19]
but browser is ok

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 10:19]
because it's indeed a browser

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:19]
or browser. Just a proposal

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 10:19]
Chrome Browser

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 10:20]
So poi is also browser

Kagami, [12.10.17 10:20]
That’s in the description of poi itself, on github repo and on main website

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:21]
The problem is that "browser" doesn't makes sense in the context of Kancolle

Jennings Wu, [12.10.17 10:21]
and on my resume

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:21]
It's not the feature of browsing webpages that matters to the kancolle community

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:21]
It's the feature to view

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 10:22]
[Forwarded from Jennings Wu]
and on my resume

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 10:22]
hm is it just me or the topic is going pedantic

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:22]
Resume
[√] Google
[x] poi

Jennings Wu, [12.10.17 10:23]
I am fine with both them

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 10:24]
so i'd say if "poi browser" hasn't been used anywhere on the official site, I'll go with whatever natives would prefer

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:25]
I'd prefer listening to the natives on these details.

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 10:28]
comon, natives in this group

Kagami, [12.10.17 10:29]
I'm fine with both, too, but let's keep using only 1 term erevrywhere

That being said, if poi viewer becomes official, ervery occurrence of the term browser in the desc. will be replaced

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 10:30]
We have barely marketed in English communities anyway

Kagami, [12.10.17 10:33]
Yeah, and the naming and terminology is also part of branding and marketing

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 10:37]
it's sorted then

Kagami, [12.10.17 10:44]
So everyone is agreed that the official term is poi viewer?

Kagami, [12.10.17 10:56]
I would like to have @magicae and @KochiyaOcean to give the final conclusion, as the Centrals' decision is important

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 10:57]
no strong opinion, just as-is

Ocean Kochiya, [12.10.17 10:58]
no comment

Kagami, [12.10.17 11:00]
OK let's debate for the one line description:

Kagami, [12.10.17 11:02]
poi: Scalable KanColle viewer and tool. 
ka3kai: Kantai Collection Game Viewer and Tools

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 11:03]
I think it's ok

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 11:04]
but kc3kai is not browser

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 11:04]
so it can be viewer

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 11:04]
poi is actually browser

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 11:04]
having full functionality as browser

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 11:04]
But the feature of being a browser is not what users care

Ocean Kochiya, [12.10.17 11:05]
call the program browser is just like a... japanese tradition

Hanzhao Lin, [12.10.17 11:05]
but it describes the fact

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 11:05]
Being a viewer is also a fact. It's not wrong.

Kagami, [12.10.17 11:05]
usage of viewer might start from KanColleViewer

Ocean Kochiya, [12.10.17 11:06]
KCV called itself as "Special purposed Browser" though

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 11:06]
That's a good category

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 11:06]
I dig that

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 11:08]
If you insist, browser is ok

Ocean Kochiya, [12.10.17 11:09]
Use browser in Japanese and viewer in English is also a solution

Ocean Kochiya, [12.10.17 11:09]
Haruna is Daijobu

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 11:11]
Here's the thing:
The project name and the software name is "poi". No browser, no viewer. 
Brower or viewer exists as a title, or in the description.
And in Japanese, it's not "browser" but "ブラウザ"

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 11:11]
Whether in title or description

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 11:12]
Therefore there are no conflicts in the first place.

Kagami, [12.10.17 11:14]
Well, you always have chance to describe what poi is, using browser or viewer, this is inevitable
Although everyone knows its the same thing, using a stable term might be better

Kagami, [12.10.17 11:15]
That's what my question is

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 11:15]
Consider "browser" and "ブラウザ" as different words.

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 11:16]
They just happen to come from the same source. It doesn't mean they mean the same thing to native speakers from both countries.

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 11:21]
After all it's just a detail. Doesn't matter that much.

Tong Mu, [12.10.17 11:24]
And I think using "browser" in description is fine

Javran Cheng, [12.10.17 11:26]
:Thonk:

Kagami, [12.10.17 11:33]
the poi browser's official channel is called #poi-viewer, this could be a solution if no one gets confused

Kagami, [12.10.17 11:36]
Althogh this sounds not quite nice to me

Kagami, [12.10.17 11:55]
So we're returning to today's starting point: nothing changes, just add the link