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Vaccine Truth Seeking with Isaac and Danny

The document contains the discovery from each of the participants in the debate. Participants were given multiple days before the debate to review each others sources and are generally (soft rule) not allowed to reference anything outside of the things they submitted here.

You can review Patricks Debate Format with the full list of rules that all participants agreed to here: https://bit.ly/3ebSltB

Proposition: Do the risks of vaccines outweigh the benefits for most people?

Isaac Lindenberger's Discovery

1. Vaccines are Safe

This study shows that routine immunizations for safety are safe (proof they are studied) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25086160

This shows how the vaccine safety datalink is used to monitor vaccine safety (rigorous) https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/127/Supplement_1/S45

A statistical analysis of vaccine-adverse event data (rare, about 1 in 100,000 to 1 million) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6540382/

Explaining placebo research https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4157320/

Vaccines are tested more than other drugs https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/123/1/e164

2. Vaccine preventable diseases are dangerous

In this study, 3 kids died from measles because they were not vaccinated https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2260220

If you don’t get vaccinated, you are at risk for disease. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5007135/

Vaccines are worth the risk when assessing the benefits https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X16309744

Showing how 100 in 1000 kids used to die from infectious diseases before vaccines, and now 1 in 100,000 are injured from vaccines https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24624471

Shows 1,3 in 1,000 children contracting measles will develop encephalitis, compares to 1 in a million with vaccination https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5007135/

3. Adjuvants are not dangerous

Shows Aluminum is already present in the bloodstream of an infant far beyond the levels in a vaccine. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xzP5XOZw_TJI3o4kWWa3BdVGntrrgt-p/view

Safety analysis showing the safety of adjuvants (they do this) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4615573/

4. Vaccines, and not “Sanitation and Hygiene” were responsible for eliminating diseases

This shows the history of vaccines and hygiene https://www.historyofvaccines.org/content/articles/misconceptions-about-vaccines

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5. VAERS is not evidence for vaccine risks

The standard of proof for vaccines is pretty low when it comes to getting compensation from the VICP (which is why the 4 billion dollars over 30 years thing is so high). the standard of proof is higher if you sue the manufacturer directly in civil court (after VICP if it is for a listed side effect)

If you want research on determining if VAERS reports are casual, that is here. This research shows there is a 3% correlation between VAERS and adverse events https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6540382/

This shows that VAERS reports actually overreport vaccine serious injuries and underreport only minor ones http://www.vaccinesafety.edu/VAERS-Braun.htm

Antivaxxers are the ones who asked for vaccine court in the first place, now they use it as evidence of government collusion. (Said it would show injuries are real and get parents needed money and respect by making it easier to claim vaccine injury, as they pay your lawyer fees ) https://law.emory.edu/elj/content/volume-67/issue-3/articles/liability-vaccine-injury-united-european-world.html

Now they say, "Did you know you can't sue manufacturers for vaccine injury? This is proof that Big pHARMa and the government are part of a conspiracy to poison your kids!"

Danny Panzella's Discovery

1. Vaccines are effective

Experts have acknowledged that the current measles vaccine cannot eradicate measles because of primary and secondary failure. 1 Poland GA, Jacobson RM. The re-emergence of measles in developed countries: time to develop the next-generation measles vaccines? Vaccine vol. 30, 2 (2012): 103-4. it has been found that a third dose of MMR (mumps, measles, rubella) vaccine cannot boost protection for any length of time, 3 leaving most adults unprotected. 3 Fiebelkorn AP, Coleman LA, Belongia EA, et al. Measles virus neutralizing antibody response, cell-mediated immunity, and IgG antibody avidity before and after a third dose of measles-mumps-rubella vaccine in young adults. J Infect Dis 2016; 213(7): 1115-1123.

2. Vaccines are safe

MMR contains fragmented fetal DNA in the rubella portion, which some find morally objectionable and others medically problematic because of the potential for autoimmunity and insertional mutagenesis. 4 Deisher, TA, et al. Epidemiologic and Molecular Relationship Between Vaccine Manufacture and Autism Spectrum Disorder Prevalence. Issues Law Med 2015, Several vaccines have been found to be contaminated with glyphosate from the gelatin, 6 https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/yesmaam/pages/1707/attachments/original/ 1473130173/FullGlyphosateinVaccinesReport_(6).pdf?1473130173

MIT scientist, Dr. Stephanie Seneff, that “glyphosate could easily be present in vaccines due to the fact that certain vaccine viruses (including measles in MMR and flu virus) are grown on gelatin derived from the ligaments of pigs fed heavy doses of glyphosate in their GMO feed. Livestock feed is allowed to have up to 400 PPM of glyphosate residues by the EPA, thousands of times higher than has been shown to cause harm in numerous studies."

There are no studies showing injecting glyphosate to be safe or how it may alter the immune response to the other ingredients. https://www.webmd.com/cancer/news/20150407/ glyphosate-pesticide-probable-carcinogen#1

Add that [MMR vaccine manufacturer) Merck & Co. has been accused of falsifying the efficacy of the mumps portion of their vaccine https://ahrp.org/former-merck-scientists-sue-merck-alleging-mmr-vaccine-efficacy-fraud/

3. Adjuvants are not dangerous

Presence of aluminum in the blood of unvaccinated children does not reduce the inflammatory effect of aluminum in vaccines that this research admits exists. This is like saying... you might as well drink bleach because municipal water contains a diluted bleach solution. The human body processes aluminum and other contaminants very differently when ingested as opposed to injected. We have naturally developed filtration systems in our breathing, oral consumption and skin. When we bypass those systems by injecting contaminants we cause greater damage.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xzP5XOZw_TJI3o4kWWa3BdVGntrrgt-p/view The study admits that adjuvants cause harmful reactions like inflammation, but that is the cost of immunogenicity. The authors also lament that better adjuvants that cause less harm and are more effective are not being researched. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4615573/

4. Wild vs Vaccine immunity

Studies have found that the concentration and duration of maternal antibody protection for infants with vaccinated mothers is lower and shorter than protection provided by non- vaccinated mothers, 2 2 Waaijenborg, et al. Waning of Maternal Antibodies Against Measles, Mumps, Rubella, and Varicella in Communities With Contrasting Vaccination Coverage. OUP Academic, Oxford University Press May 8, 2013, We have entered a vaccine-era of vulnerable infants and vulnerable older adults—populations that were protected when measles circulated naturally. It’s a messy conundrum, and it cannot be laid at the feet of those who opt out of vaccination. For the vast majority of healthy children who can easily handle a case of measles in childhood, vaccination provides no personal benefit and exposes them only to vaccine injury risk and vulnerability to measles in adulthood.

Luxembourg-based study published in 2000 confirmed the susceptibility gap in an interesting way. The researchers compared serum samples from European adolescents who had been vaccinated around 18 months of age to serum samples from Nigerian mothers who had not been vaccinated but had experienced natural measles infection at a young age. They then looked at the capacity of the antibodies detected in the serum to “neutralize” various wild-type measles virus strains. The researchers found that the sera from mothers with natural measles immunity substantially outperformed the sera from the vaccinated teens: only two of 20 strains of virus “resisted neutralization” in the Nigerian mothers’ group, but 10 of 20 viral strains resisted neutralization in the vaccination group. This complex analysis led the authors to posit greater measles vulnerability in infants born to vaccinated mothers. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10935994

5. Is it moral to sacrifice the individual for the collective?

Do I need sources for this argument?

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