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[00:00.000 --> 00:03.400] What did your mother feed you when you were born? | |
[00:03.400 --> 00:04.400] Milk. | |
[00:04.400 --> 00:07.080] Milk? What is milk? Is it vegan? | |
[00:07.080 --> 00:08.720] My mum's milk. Vest milk, yes. Vegan. | |
[00:08.720 --> 00:09.240] Is it vegan? | |
[00:09.240 --> 00:10.240] Yes. | |
[00:10.240 --> 00:11.240] Milk is vegan? | |
[00:11.240 --> 00:12.680] My mum's vest milk is vegan, yes. | |
[00:12.680 --> 00:15.400] No, no, no, no. Milk. Your mum's milk is vegan? | |
[00:15.400 --> 00:16.560] Yes, my mum's milk is vegan. | |
[00:16.560 --> 00:17.560] How do you know that? | |
[00:17.560 --> 00:22.280] Because there's no animal exploitation for my mum picking up her baby and feeding me with her breasts. | |
[00:22.280 --> 00:25.480] So, is the milk cheese from your mother's milk? | |
[00:25.480 --> 00:27.080] You don't understand. | |
[00:27.080 --> 00:28.600] It will be called vegan? | |
[00:28.600 --> 00:31.400] If she consents, then yes, it's vegan. | |
[00:31.400 --> 00:34.480] I'll ask her and I'll see if I can sort you out. Give me some cheese. | |
[00:34.480 --> 00:37.680] So, how can you be a vegan and say you eat cultured meat? | |
[00:37.680 --> 00:38.680] What sense does that make? | |
[00:38.680 --> 00:41.480] Because cultured meat can't suffer. | |
[00:41.480 --> 00:44.160] What are you talking about? | |
[00:44.160 --> 00:45.560] How can it not suffer? | |
[00:45.560 --> 00:48.920] Anecdotal evidence is not a basis to make your claims in the debate. | |
[00:48.920 --> 00:52.040] Mate, my life is not anecdotal evidence. | |
[00:52.040 --> 00:55.000] It literally is. That's the definition of anecdotal evidence. | |
[00:55.000 --> 00:58.320] And because the plant is insentient, they haven't got a subjective... | |
[00:58.320 --> 00:59.320] That's not sentient? | |
[00:59.320 --> 01:00.320] Absolutely not. | |
[01:00.320 --> 01:01.320] No, no, no. | |
[01:01.320 --> 01:03.320] They have no subjective experience of life. | |
[01:03.320 --> 01:04.320] Really? | |
[01:04.320 --> 01:05.320] Where are you getting that from? | |
[01:05.320 --> 01:07.320] Have you ever spoken to a tree? | |
[01:07.320 --> 01:09.320] No, I haven't spoken to the floor either. | |
[01:09.320 --> 01:12.320] Everything that is here for us to eat should be eaten. | |
[01:12.320 --> 01:13.320] What does that mean? | |
[01:13.320 --> 01:15.320] I mean, who says what's here for us to eat? | |
[01:15.320 --> 01:16.320] Are you here for me to eat? | |
[01:16.320 --> 01:18.320] You're full of protein. I could eat you. | |
[01:18.320 --> 01:21.320] Listen, me, when I'm... | |
[01:21.320 --> 01:23.320] So, what will the cow eat? | |
[01:23.320 --> 01:26.320] No, no, we don't breed them into existence. | |
[01:26.320 --> 01:29.320] You don't breed them into existence? | |
[01:29.320 --> 01:30.320] Correct. | |
[01:30.320 --> 01:32.320] You don't bring animals to existence? | |
[01:32.320 --> 01:33.320] What's wrong with this guy? | |
[01:33.320 --> 01:34.320] Correct. | |
[01:34.320 --> 01:35.320] Are you okay? | |
[01:35.320 --> 01:38.320] I know I'm feeling a little bit stressed out, to be honest with you. | |
[01:38.320 --> 01:39.320] Did you go to university? | |
[01:39.320 --> 01:40.320] Yes. | |
[01:40.320 --> 01:42.320] You went to... You have degree, you have all of that? | |
[01:42.320 --> 01:43.320] Yes. | |
[01:43.320 --> 01:46.320] Why do you have that? I can buy that in the market. | |
[01:46.320 --> 01:48.320] That is completely irrelevant to this conversation. | |
[01:48.320 --> 01:50.320] How do you see? Because you've been nuts. | |
[01:50.320 --> 01:52.320] He's telling her you bought your degree. | |
[01:52.320 --> 01:54.320] Yeah, I can buy your degree in the market. | |
[01:54.320 --> 01:56.320] That's irrelevant. | |
[01:56.320 --> 01:57.320] Why is that relevant? | |
[01:57.320 --> 01:58.320] Because you talk shit. | |
[01:58.320 --> 02:01.320] Bringing life into the world isn't necessarily a moral thing to do. | |
[02:01.320 --> 02:03.320] It's not virtuous to bring life into the world. | |
[02:03.320 --> 02:06.320] If you think that's the case, then you should never buy condoms. | |
[02:06.320 --> 02:08.320] Don't buy condoms, because you're stopping life. | |
[02:08.320 --> 02:10.320] You could bring life into the world every time. | |
[02:10.320 --> 02:12.320] I don't buy condoms. I don't. | |
[02:12.320 --> 02:13.320] You probably should. | |
[02:13.320 --> 02:14.320] I don't. | |
[02:14.320 --> 02:16.320] We are cannibalism. We eat people. | |
[02:16.320 --> 02:17.320] You eat people? | |
[02:17.320 --> 02:20.320] Yeah, we are. We are cannibalism. | |
[02:20.320 --> 02:23.320] People that eat animals are trash. | |
[02:23.320 --> 02:25.320] Listen, talk to me. | |
[02:25.320 --> 02:30.320] I will swap anyone. I'll swap your life, your life, your life, your life. | |
[02:30.320 --> 02:32.320] I'll swap your life for a fucking animal's life. | |
[02:32.320 --> 02:35.320] Listen, animals are truly innocent. | |
[02:35.320 --> 02:36.320] They didn't choose to be here. | |
[02:36.320 --> 02:38.320] They're not selfish. They're not evil. | |
[02:38.320 --> 02:40.320] They're just trying to live. | |
[02:40.320 --> 02:41.320] All you... | |
[02:41.320 --> 02:43.320] No, they're like, fuck off. | |
[02:43.320 --> 02:44.320] I've got a scientist. | |
[02:44.320 --> 02:49.320] If one of your, I don't know, one of your parents, | |
[02:49.320 --> 02:52.320] one of your family's got cancer or AIDS, | |
[02:52.320 --> 02:54.320] I'm not going to eat any animal. | |
[02:54.320 --> 02:56.320] I heard it here first, folks. | |
[02:57.320 --> 02:59.320] If you kill me, I'll kill you. | |
[02:59.320 --> 03:00.320] That doesn't make any sense. | |
[03:00.320 --> 03:02.320] How can you kill me if I've killed you? | |
[03:02.320 --> 03:04.320] You could never kill me, brother, even if you wanted to. | |
[03:04.320 --> 03:06.320] I'm telling you, I would kill you before you kill me. | |
[03:06.320 --> 03:07.320] No, but my point is... | |
[03:07.320 --> 03:10.320] Right now, I'm on a terrorist charge, Jackie. Terrorist charge. Terrorism. | |
[03:10.320 --> 03:11.320] Okay. | |
[03:11.320 --> 03:14.320] Yeah? And also, the police have got my house on lockdown right now for a murder. | |
[03:14.320 --> 03:15.320] Yes. | |
[03:15.320 --> 03:17.320] So when you're talking about killing, you need to come correct, bro. | |
[03:17.320 --> 03:19.320] So what did you guys have for dinner last night? | |
[03:19.320 --> 03:21.320] What dinner? | |
[03:21.320 --> 03:22.320] Pizza. | |
[03:22.320 --> 03:23.320] Hummus. | |
[03:23.320 --> 03:24.320] Sorry? | |
[03:24.320 --> 03:25.320] Hummus. | |
[03:25.320 --> 03:26.320] Hummus. I thought you said humans. | |
[03:26.320 --> 03:27.320] I was like, holy shit. | |
[03:27.320 --> 03:28.320] No, hummus not. | |
[03:28.320 --> 03:35.320] They take care that the animal was killed in a good way. | |
[03:35.320 --> 03:37.320] What is a good way to kill? | |
[03:37.320 --> 03:40.320] Like, a way that the animal... | |
[03:40.320 --> 03:45.320] I don't think it's ethical to push your view on others in that way. | |
[03:45.320 --> 03:48.320] This is an interesting point, because I guess someone could argue | |
[03:48.320 --> 03:53.320] that we are kind of pushing our view onto the animal when we factory farm them | |
[03:53.320 --> 03:55.320] or when we kill them. | |
[03:55.320 --> 03:58.320] What do you think about that? | |
[03:58.320 --> 04:01.320] What do you mean? Like, maybe they like being factory farmed? | |
[04:01.320 --> 04:04.320] No, no, no, no. That's definitely not what I mean. | |
[04:04.320 --> 04:07.320] If I was to say I get a lot of pleasure from eating meat, which is true. | |
[04:07.320 --> 04:10.320] Like, I really enjoy the taste of the products. | |
[04:10.320 --> 04:20.320] Would that make it ethical to do so? | |
[04:20.320 --> 04:22.320] I don't have any answer for that one. | |
[04:22.320 --> 04:25.320] I think you can reduce consumption as much as you can. | |
[04:25.320 --> 04:29.320] If we change it to the bestiality, though, and I say if I get pleasure from | |
[04:29.320 --> 04:34.320] having intercourse with a dog, you're like, no, that doesn't make it okay, right? | |
[04:34.320 --> 04:35.320] Yeah. | |
[04:35.320 --> 04:37.320] But what about like, okay, I don't put my penis in them, | |
[04:37.320 --> 04:39.320] but I put a knife in them instead. | |
[04:39.320 --> 04:41.320] So, if we're going to have sex with animal products, | |
[04:41.320 --> 04:44.320] we're causing them to suffer and die. | |
[04:44.320 --> 04:45.320] What about child abuse? | |
[04:45.320 --> 04:47.320] Child abuse is also morally wrong. | |
[04:47.320 --> 04:50.320] Domestic abuse? Not going to get married? | |
[04:50.320 --> 04:55.320] Probably not, but that's not necessarily immoral. | |
[04:55.320 --> 04:56.320] Of course it is. | |
[04:56.320 --> 05:00.320] Well, you think that men or women beating up the other sex is morally right. | |
[05:00.320 --> 05:02.320] Oh, I thought you just said, am I going to get married? | |
[05:02.320 --> 05:04.320] I didn't think you said, am I going to beat my wife? | |
[05:04.320 --> 05:06.320] So, let's put the animal in front of you. | |
[05:06.320 --> 05:10.320] And I get a knife out, and I say, you can pay me £10, | |
[05:10.320 --> 05:12.320] and I'll slit this animal's throat. | |
[05:12.320 --> 05:14.320] Or you could eat the vegan burger there. | |
[05:14.320 --> 05:15.320] Which choice do you make? | |
[05:15.320 --> 05:16.320] I give you the money. | |
[05:16.320 --> 05:17.320] Seriously? Why? | |
[05:17.320 --> 05:19.320] I've wielded the knife myself. | |
[05:19.320 --> 05:21.320] But why? Why? There's no option there. | |
[05:21.320 --> 05:23.320] It's tasty. | |
[05:23.320 --> 05:27.320] I mean, I think steaks are tastier than vegan burgers. | |
[05:27.320 --> 05:28.320] Well, look. | |
[05:28.320 --> 05:32.320] I've not had that many vegan burgers in my life, but they're really tasty, steaks. | |
[05:32.320 --> 05:35.320] So, let me give you a hypothetical. | |
[05:35.320 --> 05:38.320] I'm someone who really loves sex, and I'm going to have sex with this woman, | |
[05:38.320 --> 05:40.320] even though she doesn't want to have sex with me. | |
[05:40.320 --> 05:42.320] And you say, don't do that, that's wrong. | |
[05:42.320 --> 05:44.320] And I say, I like it. | |
[05:44.320 --> 05:46.320] Is that exactly the same logic that you're using? | |
[05:46.320 --> 05:48.320] Exactly the same logic, yes. | |
[05:48.320 --> 05:50.320] So, you're here fighting for the animals, | |
[05:50.320 --> 05:54.320] but you're shielding yourself from a fellow human being? | |
[05:54.320 --> 05:55.320] Correct. | |
[05:55.320 --> 05:56.320] Yes, correct. | |
[05:56.320 --> 06:01.320] So, if I was a cow, if I was Daisy, I'd be fine? | |
[06:01.320 --> 06:02.320] Yes. | |
[06:02.320 --> 06:03.320] You'd take it off? | |
[06:03.320 --> 06:05.320] I'd take it off and give you a big kiss. | |
[06:05.320 --> 06:07.320] But you're not a cow. | |
[06:07.320 --> 06:08.320] No. | |
[06:08.320 --> 06:09.320] Well. | |
[06:09.320 --> 06:14.320] I want to say because it's been like that forever, but there's like... | |
[06:14.320 --> 06:17.320] I guess people could have said the same thing to try and justify slavery. | |
[06:17.320 --> 06:20.320] Just because something's always happened, does that make it moral? | |
[06:20.320 --> 06:22.320] Yeah, that was not my point. | |
[06:22.320 --> 06:25.320] But let's not get into slavery, because that's a whole other thing. | |
[06:25.320 --> 06:26.320] But I mean, it is slavery, I guess. | |
[06:26.320 --> 06:28.320] What we're talking about here is animal slavery. | |
[06:28.320 --> 06:31.320] I mean, they're certainly not free. | |
[06:31.320 --> 06:33.320] You don't get it. |
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