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<Proplex> so are we going to be posting donation receipts any time soon?
<irungentoo> the paypal ones might contain personal info
<Jfreegman> then we're doing it wrong
<Jfreegman> just blank out any personal info
<Proplex> ^
<Proplex> you have no idea how bad we look when we're not being transparent with MONEY.
<Jfreegman> agreed. i don't even think we should be taking donations right now if no one knows where they're going
<irungentoo> they are going nowhere
<irungentoo> they are not getting spent
<Proplex> then fucking prove it!
<Proplex> your word means nothing, irungentoo.
<Jfreegman> what are they for then? we should have goals, like after x amount we can get an audit
<Jfreegman> and show progress
<irungentoo> Proplex, how?
<Proplex> post receipts, account info, current balances
<Proplex> etc.
<irungentoo> NikolaiToryzin, are we a charity yet?
<Proplex> you're accepting money but you're doing it in the most amateur way and it scares the living fuck out of me
<Proplex> you don't even have a bank account
<Proplex> you're just storing funds all over the place
<Proplex> making it incredibly hard to track income and expenses
<Proplex> and paypal is known to terminate accounts without justification
<irungentoo> stq put all the correct tax stuff on the paypal account
<irungentoo> so the chances of it getting terminated are very low
<irungentoo> right now we have 134.46$ in our paypal account
<Proplex> are you just going to ignore all my other issues with the transparency?
<Proplex> prove it
<Proplex> you need to realize that, with money, your word means fucking nothing
<Proplex> i have a bajillion dollars xddd and i don't spend it i promise XD
<Proplex> you really don't understand how important transparency with money is
<Proplex> it sets the bar with how people can trust us
<Proplex> if they can't even expect us to be transparent with their funds
<Proplex> how can we get them to trust us with actual code or issues?
<irungentoo> http://104.219.184.186/tox_donations.png
<Proplex> you have no idea how perfect that is
<Proplex> like
<Proplex> that's the shit i'm talking about
<Proplex> that's all i'm asking for
<irungentoo> the -5$ is stq testing if bank transfers work
<Proplex> that's minimal effort and goes a very long way with people's trust
<Jfreegman> how about setting goals? i bet more people would donate if they knew exactly what their money was going towards
<irungentoo> we didn't advertise that we accept donations because right now we are just collecting money
<irungentoo> well we didn't advertise donate.tox.im yet
<NikolaiToryzin> Proplex: I don't think you realise just how bullshit images of receipts are, how professional charities actually work, or many opinions other people didn't say first
<Proplex> for what reason are we accepting money without being a 501c3?
<NikolaiToryzin> Receipts are 100% trust, with whatever the person posting them decides to fabricate.
<NikolaiToryzin> That takes around 8 months to go through
<Proplex> for what reason are we accepting money without being a 501c3?
<NikolaiToryzin> I've started it, but I haven't paid the IRS their $500 bribe yet
<Proplex> for what reason are we accepting money without being a 501c3?
<Proplex> don't give me answers to questions i'm not asking
<Proplex> don't give me answers to questions i'm not asking
<NikolaiToryzin> Because we're not done with the fucking process.
<Proplex> that's not an answer
<Proplex> we are accepting money without being a 501c3
<Proplex> why
<NikolaiToryzin> Because it takes several months to finish and we're not done?
<NikolaiToryzin> irungentoo: we're a charity as classified by the attorney general
<Proplex> then why are we accepting them in the mean time?
<Proplex> if someone donates to us right now
<Proplex> can they claim that amount on tax returns?
<NikolaiToryzin> Because you're going to die of old age in 8 months.
<NikolaiToryzin> That's up to your accountant to figure out
<Proplex> The fuck does that mean?
<NikolaiToryzin> You can, but classification and other details do matter
<Proplex> You can only claim donations if it's a registered 501c3
<NikolaiToryzin> It isn't just write-offable with no effort
<NikolaiToryzin> That's why we accept contributions.
<NikolaiToryzin> You've got a couple forms to do but you can declare charitable contributions
<NikolaiToryzin> Regarding your amateur remark, wanna know how professional charities do it?
<Proplex> sean you always seem to know everything
<Proplex> like you're never wrong
<Proplex> and that fucking pisses me off to no content
<NikolaiToryzin> At the end of the fiscal year they get an accountant to figure everything out in just values and publish is
<Proplex> you're master of everything it seems
<NikolaiToryzin> I told my self I'd keep personal attacks out of this, but it's on then
<Proplex> you can only claim tax-deductible donations for a 501c3
<bunslow> oh dear
<irungentoo> I agree that publishing screencaps of paypal accounts is not professional
<Proplex> but it's literally all we can do at the moment since we don't even own a bank account
<NikolaiToryzin> You have zero backbone or opinion of yourself. Everything you do is done in a passive aggressive scheming way out of entirely personal opinion.
<NikolaiToryzin> We have one.
<Proplex> then why is money being kept in the paypal account
<Proplex> shouldn't everything be kept in a central location?
<irungentoo> what's wrong with keeping cash in a paypal account?
<Proplex> keeping money spread out all over the place doesn't sound like a smart idea
<NikolaiToryzin> Because ^ outside of your bullshit reasons, and I don't even have the signing cards yet
<Proplex> signing cards?
<irungentoo> let stq figure the bank stuff out
<Proplex> thanks for the run here guys, but i don't want anything to do with behind-the-scenes tox work
<irungentoo> having a couple hundred dollars on paypal isn't a big issue
<Proplex> i really don't like the way things are headed
<NikolaiToryzin> Proplex: in business accounts banks require signature cards of people allowed to sign checks.
<Proplex> you can run your own mail servers & shit; i'm done here
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