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brave enjoys bending
[4/16/2014 7:23:22 PM] / Motre: You there?
[4/16/2014 7:23:37 PM] // Lquid: yeaa, whats up?
[4/16/2014 7:23:50 PM] / Motre: So what are the details of these deals with NC.?
[4/16/2014 7:24:24 PM] // Lquid: Deal is mostly with BPA (Black Pearl Alliance), with NC taking a bit form both sides in the process.
[4/16/2014 7:24:44 PM] // Lquid: They had paid PL to flip the systems down in that lower left const
[4/16/2014 7:25:14 PM] // Lquid: in the process, they were talking with HERO about joining the coalition and helping us grind out some of the region
[4/16/2014 7:25:52 PM] // Lquid: We had been in light talks with them about the space we were taking, and how we are taking all of catch
[4/16/2014 7:26:30 PM] // Lquid: and the terms that they wanted were uninteresting to us: they wanted at least 2 station systems and at least one r64
[4/16/2014 7:26:49 PM] // Lquid: I brought lychton into the talks about 2-3 days in to have him feel them up
[4/16/2014 7:26:58 PM] // Lquid: and he repeated basicly what I had said
[4/16/2014 7:28:13 PM] // Lquid: So, they continued their contract with PL to flip the systems, and got Grath and NC. involved in helping keep negotiations going.
[4/16/2014 7:28:46 PM] // Lquid: they were close to finalizing a deal with PL about continued protection in those 7 systems, and we told to come to an agreement or loose the entire const
[4/16/2014 7:29:02 PM] // Lquid: so, the agreement we came up with is the following:
[4/16/2014 7:29:12 PM] / Motre: We told them
[4/16/2014 7:29:14 PM] / Motre: Or we were told?
[4/16/2014 7:29:31 PM] // Lquid: we were told by Grath/NC
[4/16/2014 7:29:35 PM] / Motre: ....
[4/16/2014 7:29:42 PM] / Motre: You are fucking me
[4/16/2014 7:29:47 PM] / Motre: TELL me you are joking.
[4/16/2014 7:29:58 PM] // Lquid: well, no, that is a simplification
[4/16/2014 7:30:33 PM] / Motre: then unsimplify.
[4/16/2014 7:30:43 PM] / Motre: Because THAT is called being a pet.
[4/16/2014 7:33:38 PM] // Lquid: We were asked to come to an agreement with them about that constilation or that NC. would stop helping us reinforce systems and PL would continue working out a contract with BPA for protection of SOV in that const.
[4/16/2014 7:33:56 PM] / Motre: ...
[4/16/2014 7:34:02 PM] / Motre: We don't need Nc.
[4/16/2014 7:34:04 PM] / Motre: Never did.
[4/16/2014 7:34:22 PM] / Motre: So we signed away
[4/16/2014 7:34:29 PM] / Motre: the best space BRAVE was gfetting.
[4/16/2014 7:34:35 PM] / Motre: That most profitable space in Catch
[4/16/2014 7:34:42 PM] // Lquid: lol hold on
[4/16/2014 7:34:46 PM] // Lquid: not nearly done yet
[4/16/2014 7:34:54 PM] / Motre: at force of someone else. Whose help we don't even need.
[4/16/2014 7:36:19 PM] // Lquid: Agreeing to giving some to BPA and that system to NC., grath would tell his people to not shoot our caps in catch while we are grinding, NC. would contine to flip over the systems they had reinforced, and the area remains community for everyone, with some cavets.
[4/16/2014 7:36:47 PM] // Lquid: and BPA helps us grind out the rest of the region in return
[4/16/2014 7:38:02 PM] // Lquid: All systems and stations will remain dockable and "community", with the exception of a low traffic system that is off the main pipe.
[4/16/2014 7:39:00 PM] // Lquid: BPAs deal is for 3 systems, 2 stations and one non station system. Other then a low traffic request for one system, all other remain community ratting/explo/esclations/docking/repair/jc/etc
[4/16/2014 7:39:28 PM] / Motre: And NC. getting systems in the middle of Catch?
[4/16/2014 7:39:31 PM] // Lquid: they set us +10, and want to offically join the coalition and help us take/keep it
[4/16/2014 7:40:38 PM] // Lquid: NC. is taking FAT, that system in the north, and they had requested one other as a midpoint system, so they can hit stain in the coming summer war
[4/16/2014 7:40:49 PM] / Motre: ...
[4/16/2014 7:41:00 PM] / Motre: Unless part of this deal is we take all of those systems back
[4/16/2014 7:41:02 PM] / Motre: This is bullshit.
[4/16/2014 7:41:24 PM] / Motre: That constellation
[4/16/2014 7:41:30 PM] / Motre: IS a money constellation
[4/16/2014 7:41:43 PM] / Motre: 3-SF is in the area we are doing SUPER PRODUCTION
[4/16/2014 7:42:28 PM] / Motre: BPA, at a look at their killboards,
[4/16/2014 7:42:37 PM] / Motre: has nothing to actually offer as in terms of help.
[4/16/2014 7:43:18 PM] / Motre: And we don't even need NC. helps to do this. We never asked for it.
[4/16/2014 7:43:30 PM] / Motre: And why are we letting someone dicate terms to us.
[4/16/2014 7:43:37 PM] / Motre: Making us form a deal is utter bullshit.
[4/16/2014 7:43:41 PM] / Motre: That's called being a pet.
[4/16/2014 7:45:38 PM] / Motre: Who was involved in making this deal?
[4/16/2014 7:46:12 PM] // Lquid: I was, Lychton, all of Honor Upper Leadership and Skier was informed too
[4/16/2014 7:46:53 PM] / Motre: No one else?
[4/16/2014 7:47:38 PM] // Lquid: No, none that I can think of right now
[4/16/2014 7:48:01 PM] // Lquid: the honor gys were Pavo, Ctp, Spyder
[4/16/2014 7:48:04 PM] // Lquid: and one other person
[4/16/2014 7:48:38 PM] // Lquid: No one likes this, but regardless of what happened in the dealings and how they went about, do you expect us to be able to take and hold systems against a PL contract and NC. wanting to exterminate RUS block after we spend 3 months grinding the region and everyone is worn out?
[4/16/2014 7:48:54 PM] / Motre: Actually? Yes.
[4/16/2014 7:49:03 PM] / Motre: Their weight is in Supers.
[4/16/2014 7:49:10 PM] / Motre: Supers, that if fielded and tackled
[4/16/2014 7:49:17 PM] / Motre: will draw a LOT of attention.
[4/16/2014 7:49:23 PM] / Motre: very fast.
[4/16/2014 7:49:41 PM] / Motre: We also haven't been grinding ofr three months.
[4/16/2014 7:49:46 PM] // Lquid: no
[4/16/2014 7:49:53 PM] // Lquid: but we will be given the current rate of progress
[4/16/2014 7:50:10 PM] / Motre: Something I am going to be changing.
[4/16/2014 7:50:11 PM] // Lquid: even with a 2x boos in speed
[4/16/2014 7:50:24 PM] // Lquid: its looking like 2 months min to secure the majority of catch
[4/16/2014 7:50:31 PM] // Lquid: great, we need to speed things up
[4/16/2014 7:50:48 PM] // Lquid: we dont want to be going into the summer wars down here with a burnt out memberbase
[4/16/2014 7:50:56 PM] / Motre: ...
[4/16/2014 7:51:00 PM] / Motre: Going in to?
[4/16/2014 7:51:01 PM] // Lquid: being attacked from all sides is a real possiblity
[4/16/2014 7:51:03 PM] / Motre: That's THEIR war.,
[4/16/2014 7:51:04 PM] / Motre: not our's.
[4/16/2014 7:51:09 PM] // Lquid: catch is the battleground?
[4/16/2014 7:51:10 PM] / Motre: unless we agreed to fight in it.
[4/16/2014 7:51:11 PM] // Lquid: proxy war?
[4/16/2014 7:51:11 PM] / Motre: ...
[4/16/2014 7:51:15 PM] / Motre: They
[4/16/2014 7:51:17 PM] / Motre: can
[4/16/2014 7:51:18 PM] / Motre: go
[4/16/2014 7:51:19 PM] / Motre: fuck
[4/16/2014 7:51:21 PM] / Motre: themselves.
[4/16/2014 7:51:25 PM] / Motre: We are NOT
[4/16/2014 7:51:28 PM] / Motre: a puppet.
[4/16/2014 7:51:33 PM] / Motre: We are NOT
[4/16/2014 7:51:37 PM] / Motre: a proxy
[4/16/2014 7:51:38 PM] / Motre: WE
[4/16/2014 7:51:42 PM] / Motre: ARE NOT
[4/16/2014 7:51:47 PM] / Motre: a bitch.
[4/16/2014 7:58:23 PM] // Lquid: The reality of us being able to hold our own down here is much better then I had thought before, but the other reality is that even if we are not a bitch and not a proxy we are for sure SOV null entities new plaything until we can get setup enough to prove our worth and earn some respect. The deal that was struck was for allies that have lived here for 4-5 years, continued uninterruption of our sov grind by PL/NC. and a speedup of the grind by BPA. Not owning the systems does not prevent us from making shitloads of ISK down there. If they fuck the deal, we kill them anyway?
[4/16/2014 7:58:30 PM] // Lquid: Regarding S-
[4/16/2014 7:58:37 PM] // Lquid: I do feel that was a bit rushed
[4/16/2014 7:58:43 PM] // Lquid: and we could have easily avoided it
[4/16/2014 7:58:47 PM] // Lquid: but it was honors system
[4/16/2014 7:58:55 PM] // Lquid: and someone was convinced to go unanchor the TCU there
[4/16/2014 7:58:58 PM] // Lquid: I had no say
[4/16/2014 7:59:35 PM] // Lquid: and was expecting them to take a bit more time on that, espically if they knew you guys were going to build supers there
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