debian java@fosdem

Topics to talk about at FOSDEM 2010 regarding Debian-Java:

 * Status of maven-repo
 * Merge of javahelper and maven-repo-helper?
 * Dependencies - versioned or not?
 * Versioned .jar files? why? parallell installation?
 * CDBS vs. Debhelper7, dh -with maven?
 * why it's useful to package Java software, Java packaging is way behind python packaging
 * Bridging two great packaging systems: Debian apt and Maven
 * OSGi in Debian: the promise of always on, always up-to-date systems
 * Problem of multiple dot versions of libraries
 * How to determine the classpath
   * for compilation
   * for testing
   * for running
 * How to write good init scripts for java daemons?
 * run unittests on buildtime?
 * How to be a good java upstream
  * Have a tar.gz without precompiled stuff and convenience copies of code
  * document, where your dependencies where downloaded from
  * make your build.xml configurable
   * possibility to point to an external directory with jars
   * maybe provide a variable at the first position of your classpath which can also be used by developers to place override jars
   * possibility to easily exclude parts of the build for which we don't have the dependencies yet
   * possibility to easily exclude some contribs
   * don't assume specific dot versions of your dependencies
  * Maybe provide a page [[Java/UpstreamHints]] where we can point upstream to in case we want to suggest something
 * Best practices
 * How to have API-Docs and eventually source code available in IDEs like eclipse when developing against java libraries in /usr/share/java?
 * PROPOSAL: generally use pom files to install jars. This can be a standard format to describe versioned dependencies, etc. If upstream is not yet in maven, just use debian as organization.

== Best Practices ==

 * short description of a workflow with git, topgit and pristine-tar
 * debian/build.xml to avoid patching upstream build.xml
 * debian/ant.properties
 * ... (add your own ideas)




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Current State
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* Outdated wikisites, ancient bugs against java policy
* Unclear, which recommendations are still state of the art or just outdated

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Upstream Education
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* Source only tarballs
* configurable build systems (hard!)
* No downloads at build time

Maybe to go directly to maven and ant people?
Apache? All Apache projects to release source only tarballs?

What are other big java communities?

Have a good documentation of best practices for upstream.

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CDBS vs. Debhelper
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There has been a recommendation somewhere to package java stuff with CDBS. Is
this still up to date?

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Who can help?
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* Universities, Students? Java is THE teaching language.
* companies?
* GSOC?

* Have a page with TODOs

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Tasks
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Web pages / Documents: alioth, wiki, policy





init.d skripts von upstream...