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<ynyounuo> Hi, everyone. In an article on yarnpkg.com (https://yarnpkg.com/blog/2016/11/24/lockfiles-for-all/), the author used "A Good Idea™" with a trade mark sign (U+2122). Does anyone know what is the usage here? To my knowledge, "A good Idea" is not a trademark. The whole sentence is "For applications, most developers agree that lockfiles are A Good Idea™." (copied from #English)
<graingert> ynyounuo: it means it's not really a good idea
<ljharb> ynyounuo: it's humor
<graingert> ynyounuo: it's like a sarc-mark
<graingert> ynyounuo: or air quotes
<ljharb> ynyounuo: it's common in American English to stick trademark signs next to things that aren't actually trademarks, to add wry emphasis
<graingert> ynyounuo: to be fair in the context, they should have just stuck with weasely words
<graingert> because you can assert "most X agree that Y" freely
<ynyounuo> graingert, ljharb, thank you! Are there any references of this kind of usage? I could find none online.
<ljharb> ynyounuo: probably not, it's colloquial slang
<graingert> ynyounuo: xkcd has a bunch
<graingert> ynyounuo: https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/17108/what-is-the-tm-of-do-the-right-thingtm
<graingert> ynyounuo: it's a parody of companies that assert something about their product as a trademark
<graingert> then it doesn't have to be true
<graingert> Like "NukaCola, The Best Drink Possible(TM)"
<graingert> "Yarn.lock, A Good Idea(TM)"
<tcsc> I mean pinning all your dep versions seems like... objectively a good idea to me
<graingert> ynyounuo: it means Yarn can assert that yarn.lock is a good idea as fact, and signpost that it's an opinion
<tcsc> never used yarn tho
<graingert> tcsc: Yeah which is why it's a bad example in this case
<graingert> tcsc: particularly because they added "most developers agree that"
<graingert> to it first
<tcsc> I think this is more analysis than anybody would have assumed that sentence would get
<graingert> so it's already getting into "9/10 cats prefer Huggies Dryest ever(TM)"
<graingert> * cherry picked from 129 mostly independant studies
<ynyounuo> graingert, I could not smell the sarcasm there, but your comparisons to other stuff give me a little bit sense of that humor. Anyway, thank you all, as it is not actually related to the topic of this channel, I think I'll quit asking more questions.
	<ynyounuo> Hi, everyone. In an article on yarnpkg.com (https://yarnpkg.com/blog/2016/11/24/lockfiles-for-all/), the author used "A Good Idea™" with a trade mark sign (U+2122). Does anyone know what is the usage here? To my knowledge, "A good Idea" is not a trademark. The whole sentence is "For applications, most developers agree that lockfiles are A Good Idea™." (copied from #English)
	<graingert> ynyounuo: it means it's not really a good idea
	<ljharb> ynyounuo: it's humor
	<graingert> ynyounuo: it's like a sarc-mark
	<graingert> ynyounuo: or air quotes
	<ljharb> ynyounuo: it's common in American English to stick trademark signs next to things that aren't actually trademarks, to add wry emphasis
	<graingert> ynyounuo: to be fair in the context, they should have just stuck with weasely words
	<graingert> because you can assert "most X agree that Y" freely
	<ynyounuo> graingert, ljharb, thank you! Are there any references of this kind of usage? I could find none online.
	<ljharb> ynyounuo: probably not, it's colloquial slang
	<graingert> ynyounuo: xkcd has a bunch
	<graingert> ynyounuo: https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/17108/what-is-the-tm-of-do-the-right-thingtm
	<graingert> ynyounuo: it's a parody of companies that assert something about their product as a trademark
	<graingert> then it doesn't have to be true
	<graingert> Like "NukaCola, The Best Drink Possible(TM)"
	<graingert> "Yarn.lock, A Good Idea(TM)"
	<tcsc> I mean pinning all your dep versions seems like... objectively a good idea to me
	<graingert> ynyounuo: it means Yarn can assert that yarn.lock is a good idea as fact, and signpost that it's an opinion
	<tcsc> never used yarn tho
	<graingert> tcsc: Yeah which is why it's a bad example in this case
	<graingert> tcsc: particularly because they added "most developers agree that"
	<graingert> to it first
	<tcsc> I think this is more analysis than anybody would have assumed that sentence would get
	<graingert> so it's already getting into "9/10 cats prefer Huggies Dryest ever(TM)"
	<graingert> * cherry picked from 129 mostly independant studies
	<ynyounuo> graingert, I could not smell the sarcasm there, but your comparisons to other stuff give me a little bit sense of that humor. Anyway, thank you all, as it is not actually related to the topic of this channel, I think I'll quit asking more questions.