branan/gist:1003173

## gistfile1.txt
[quote="JWPlatt"]If we are not responsive, it is not because we are disinterested or shunning you.  It is because there are matters of livelihood and family more important than Uru.[/quote] I'm going to address this first, because I think it's extremely important. I feel quite strongly that if the people in your team didn't have the time and energy to deal with code maintainership and developer interaction, then you needed to either look for help [b]before[/b] the release so you could have a proper maintainer, or tell Cyan "Thanks, but I don't think we can handle this right now" so that another team in the community who [b]does[/b] have the time and energy could handle it.

[quote="JWPlatt"]Community participation is critical to the sustained success of this long term project. There is an imperative that people should be called upon to get involved and participate. This is not our project.  It is yours; everyone's. It can only work with more people getting involved, being committed, and taking positions of responsibility and leadership.[/quote] This is the other big one. I believe you're being honest when you say this, but many of the other OU team seem to have very strong opinions about how things should be done with the CWE repo. My suggestions and input were not taken very well. If you truly want an outsider to take a leadership position, then you'll need to convince a'moaca', cjkelly, and rarified to back off when someone tries to come in and offer suggestions. If they're going to shoot ideas down, then they should just implement what they've got in their heads. To me it feels "waiting for community involvement" really means "waiting for more people to come agree with us".

[quote="JWPlatt"]It's not up to the admin.  The admin only keeps the site going.[/quote] Given the lack of a proper maintainer, the repository admin seems to be the only good contact. He's also the one that stepped up and joined the discussion about merging things. My previous points all apply here, of course.
	[quote="JWPlatt"]If we are not responsive, it is not because we are disinterested or shunning you. It is because there are matters of livelihood and family more important than Uru.[/quote] I'm going to address this first, because I think it's extremely important. I feel quite strongly that if the people in your team didn't have the time and energy to deal with code maintainership and developer interaction, then you needed to either look for help [b]before[/b] the release so you could have a proper maintainer, or tell Cyan "Thanks, but I don't think we can handle this right now" so that another team in the community who [b]does[/b] have the time and energy could handle it.

	[quote="JWPlatt"]Community participation is critical to the sustained success of this long term project. There is an imperative that people should be called upon to get involved and participate. This is not our project. It is yours; everyone's. It can only work with more people getting involved, being committed, and taking positions of responsibility and leadership.[/quote] This is the other big one. I believe you're being honest when you say this, but many of the other OU team seem to have very strong opinions about how things should be done with the CWE repo. My suggestions and input were not taken very well. If you truly want an outsider to take a leadership position, then you'll need to convince a'moaca', cjkelly, and rarified to back off when someone tries to come in and offer suggestions. If they're going to shoot ideas down, then they should just implement what they've got in their heads. To me it feels "waiting for community involvement" really means "waiting for more people to come agree with us".

	[quote="JWPlatt"]It's not up to the admin. The admin only keeps the site going.[/quote] Given the lack of a proper maintainer, the repository admin seems to be the only good contact. He's also the one that stepped up and joined the discussion about merging things. My previous points all apply here, of course.