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 There's no place to escape to. This is the last stop.
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 On the left.
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 That's when the cannibalism started.
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 What was that?
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 I was doing some research because a listener sent me a bit of information about FDR's final days.
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 Is that what you call masturbating now?
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 But apparently FDR at the time, he had suffered from hypertension, like I do.
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 Presidential disease.
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 Wow. It actually sounds...
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 Same level of stress.
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 The way that you say it, it sounds like a superpower. Hypertension!
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 I do feel cool, but it's not Tron, because it kind of feels like I'm a guy from Tron, but I'm not because I'm just...
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 Sleeping illness.
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 You could hang out with Jeff Bridges.
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 I could. But he won't answer my letters.
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 Isn't that weird?
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 We can all make our disorders sound super cool, like Bapuda!
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 Attention deficit hyper disorder!
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 Oh cool! Okay.
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 Why are you always late? Do you stack things weird?
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 That's a hyper disorder you have there, sir.
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 But FDR, for a while they thought hypertension, like blood pressure, they thought if you had high blood pressure that it was healthy.
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 Yeah, because you were more of a man.
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 Yeah. More blood was shooting around in a thicker way, and against America they're all like production is excellent.
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 So you're telling me they made it up?
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 The
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 by
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 The episode of This is Our Life from the 1950s that covers Hiroshima.
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 This is your life.
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 This is your life.
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 They definitely cover just what a beautiful morning it was.
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 Oh, that's not nice.
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 Now, if you're American, it's almost certain that when or if you were taught about the
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 end of World War II, the dropping of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was framed
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 as a necessary evil, perpetrated to prevent the deaths of millions of lives, both American
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 and Japanese.
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 I don't remember it being framed as evil at all.
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 No, I remember it being framed as if plumes of liberation went over to the people of Nagasaki.
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 It's technically a holiday.
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 Yes.
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 They're like, and then they knelt down and thanked us.
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 We had to be like, thank God.
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 We needed to be spent.
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 Well, to bolster this argument, atomic apologists often point towards domestic Japanese programs
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 like the Tono Rigumi.
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 If you listen to Dan Carlin's Supernova in the East, he really does talk quite a bit
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 about the fervor within the country and how it's so...
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 From that perspective, you can kind of see like, oh, they were an intense bunch.
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 They were a very intense bunch.
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 Absolutely.
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 Just like everybody else, only more so.
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 Yes.
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 Wow.
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 Dan, call us.
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 Please call us.
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 I think he has a rotary phone.
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 I was saying that.
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 What do you really...
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 We want to get in contact with him, but I think I have to attach a message to a pony
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 and send it out.
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 I think he's in Michigan somewhere.
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 No, no, no.
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 He's in a PO box somewhere in Washington state.
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 Yeah.
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 All right.
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 Well, I want to...
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 Well, Tonorigumi were mandatory groups of 10 to 15 domestic Japanese households that were responsible for ration allocation, government bond distribution, propaganda distribution, and civil defense.
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 Additionally, by the end of the war, these Tonorigumi units had received military training to observe enemy planes and boats. Most frightening to the alarmists though was the fact that the Japanese Imperial government intended to draft the Tonorigumi as private militias in case of an enemy invasion.
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 Can you imagine a good chunk of them were like, yeah, I can't wait. Yeah, I'll kill her. I'm fine!
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 Absolutely. And this does sound intimidating. It's almost frightening when one took into account the tenacity and ferocity of the average Japanese soldier.
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 Of course, propaganda had made the Japanese a terrifying people to the Americans. Put simply, Japan was seen by America as a nation of zealots that were determined to fight to the last man, woman, and child for the glory of the emperor. All because he told them to.
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 If only we had a cartoon bunny to take down these god damn Japanese individuals.
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 We'll get to that in a second. But here's the thing about the Tonorigumi, their duties and responsibilities were almost exactly the duties and responsibilities thrust upon the American public during the war.
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 in World War Two.
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 It's actually even more so, the giant systemic version of pumping out multiple different
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 versions of the Navy and the Air Force and the Army and again and again and again.
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 We didn't mobilize our homes, we turned our entire industrial network into a war making
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 machine.
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 It almost seems like that's a level of zealotry as well.
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 Yeah, what is that constitutional amendment?
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 Is it two, three, you can't harbor the soldiers, you don't gotta harbor soldiers?
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 I think it's three or four.
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 If you make everyone soldiers, then I guess you're not harboring soldiers anymore.
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 That's the reason why, eventually what Airbnb is trying to do right now, make it illegal
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 for you to even go to an Airbnb, because we are all soldiers of light in the army of Christ.
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 Oh, you're on militarized Airbnb also?
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 Mm-hmm.
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 It's really fun.
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 Well, in this context, we're talking more about the people than the industry.
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 For example, America had the Office of Civilian Defense to help with domestic war efforts.
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 Yeah, that's where we had girls in their short skirts playing the softball, right?
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 They're washing each other in a brook.
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 Yeah, yeah.
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 It's like you got the two riveters scissoring.
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 Yeah, the OCD, absolutely.
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 Yeah, that's what it's all about.
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 Rationing.
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 It's International Police Academy with nuclear weapons.
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 I mean, that's kind of fun.
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 Yeah, in a way.
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 Yeah, in America, rationing was an everyday part of life and towns across America ran
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 constant drives to sell war bonds to help with the war effort.
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 And when it came to propaganda, ours ran so deep that Donald Duck was in charge when it
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 came to beating the Nazis, while Bugs Bunny fought the Japanese in a cartoon that had
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 an actual racial slur in the title.
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 And
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 in
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 that
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 what
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 We're supposed to have them. You know, I heard those savages get together with firearms and talk about overthrowing the government. Anyway, what are we doing?
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 Oh, we're getting together with some firearms and overthrowing the government. This might not be a good episode for July 4th weekend. It's July 4th weekend.
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 Yes it is. But really, this is all about cultural differences. The cultural difference between us and the Japanese is that the Japanese formed and ran their Tanuragumi units with complete obedience,
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 which was such a foreign concept for many Americans that it sort of freaked us out. Where the Japanese followed orders, most Americans had to be dragged, kicking and screaming into any effort towards the greater good,
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 and they saw anything to the contrary as un-American. Put another way, an American man in the 1940s might say, yeah, I'll kill as many people as you fucking want. I'll shoot them, I'll blow them up, I'll burn them to death.
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 I'll do whatever the fuck you want, but I'll be goddamned if you're going to tell me that I can only eat two potatoes a day instead of three, because it's my god given right as a fucking American to eat as many goddamn potatoes as I fucking want to.
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 Somebody's saying my language.
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 Ah, yes, they are actually correct. And Markus, it seems to me as if you call this the greater good, it seems like what's that on your tongue? A little bit of leather from licking all those boots?
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 Interesting.
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 The greater good. His lips are browned by the wax upon the shoe.
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 I believe we've hit upon a little bit of the old patented Ben Kissel contrarianism on purpose, a little bit of the old misunderstanding something on purpose.
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 Hmm, sometimes I guess his politician nature is showing itself.
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 I've been swift voted.
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 It's interesting though, because this is how propaganda serves its purpose.
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 Because we have alienated these people in our minds.
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 We have now, as an American people, we're saying, oh my God, this pack of relentless
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 maniacs, we're never going to be able to beat these guys.
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 We're going to have to stomp them out.
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 We're going to have to kill every last one of them.
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 Don't you think that maybe some of them felt the same exact way that we felt when they
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 were forced by gun to go and sign up for these various things.
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 They talk about that with the kamikaze community too.
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 Like yeah, a lot of them felt duty bound, but it was that duty bound that made them,
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 they made them go do it.
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 They were men of honor that wanted to honor this oath that they took to the army, but
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 a lot of them were not hyper enthusiastic.
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 When you have a kamikaze community, wouldn't they all sort of slow and be like, where's
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 Daryl?
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 He had to go kamikaze.
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 I'm like, here he is right now.
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 It's about adding new members constantly.
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 Yeah, it's a big turnover on membership.
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 High turnover rate.
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 But no, because they were like, some of them were trained to go and then didn't go.
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 So you had guys that were all ready to go and didn't get to go, and on all of the letters,
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 a lot of them are like, gee wish I didn't have to do this.
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 What if I don't do this?
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 I go to military jail. Yeah. Well, yeah, perfect propaganda from cartoons to military to newsreels.
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 Everyone's getting hit. Yeah, and it goes even further than that. I mean, eventually
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 most Americans, when it came to rationing and so on and so forth, most Americans fell in line
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 after America brought in a daddy named Leon Henderson. Leon Henderson pissed off people
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 so bad and being very, very strict about rationing that in retaliation, a large number of solid,
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 greater good New Deal programs were repealed and never brought back. If you ever ask,
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 what happened to all that cool New Deal shit? Yeah. This! Leon Henderson, he pissed off people
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 by being really hardcore with rationing, pissed off a bunch of people. The Democrats went out of
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 power, and so all of that New Deal shit got repealed in the midst of World War II and the
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 aftermath of World War II. Marcus, now that you love rationing so much, you'll be happy to know
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 that certain members of our government are going to stop school lunches for free. So there you go,
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 we're going to ration, the kids are going to have to ration a little bit. You are purposefully,
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 you are absolutely misunderstanding it. He is. You are misunderstanding it. I eat Marcus for prison.
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 I don't think Marcus is- Purposefully misunderstanding it. No, no. The only
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 thing Marcus likes about prison is the ability to read uninterrupted. You would actually ironically
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 not. That would be the only thing that would be nice. Unfortunately, I have a hard time
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 concentrating when I am in a constant state of terror. No, no, you would be in the constant
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 state of loneliness, because you know, you'd probably have to be because you're sensitive.
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 You'd probably be with all the extra.
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 But I always feel like kids...
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 With the fogles. The Jared Fogles of the world.
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 So you wouldn't have time to read. You'd be alone in a cell.
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 That's the thing. That's the problem of people like us.
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 Cause I would also probably be isolated immediately,
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 cause I'd be like,
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 Get me outta here! Get me outta here!
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 I'll fucking kill myself if I had to go!
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 So they would probably have to put me in isolation,
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 but then, who are we spending our time with?
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 Just gotta be like,
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 I made a thousand angels.
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 You wanna see my angel connection?
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 You better say yes!
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 Yes, yeah absolutely!
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 He's just got his tapestry of cum,
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 and he has turned into a spiderweb,
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 and you have to go like,
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 Oh wow!
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 Oh!
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 Oh!
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 Alright, back at it.
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 Well the point is, is that what Leon Henderson did,
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 it worked.
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 Without rationing, without putting all the rubber,
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 and all the metal, and all the scrap metal, and all that shit,
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 and turning our entire industry into a war machine,
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 without that, without being forced to do that,
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 we would not have won World War II.
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 We would not have been as effective of a force as we actually were.
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 And after the fact, the so-called greatest generation
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 pretended that they'd all come together for the war effort immediately,
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 and without complaint,
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 in order to bring back our boys as soon as possible.
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 But no, Marcus-
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 They did not fucking do that.
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 You're gonna diss the greatest generation right now?
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 Yeah, I'm gonna-
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 Hold on a second.
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 Yeah, Mr. Brokaw?
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 Mr. Tom Brokaw?
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 He's fucking out.
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 He fucked up!
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 He didn't do his job!
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 Yeah!
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 I'm coming for Tom Brokaw now.
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 We are heated today.
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 I'm just saying the greatest generation isn't as fucking great as they make themselves out to be.
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 I like this, I like eating hot takes. I like this, I'm fine, I can take it.
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 In fact, you know what I'm saying? I got my fucking Kevlar panties on.
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 It's straight fucking propaganda that is still in effect today. It's one of the great myths of World War II.
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 They are dying, Marcus.
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 Good, yeah!
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 Kill them or get them go!
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 How many World War II vets are left, twelve?
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 Yeah, and they're the ones with...
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 Well, then they don't matter. They were just kids screwing in to, they were like literally putting the one last screw into a jet at this point.
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 Every World War II vet in my family's fucking dead.
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 It was my job as an eleven-year-old boy to kiss all the pilots before they left.
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 Yeah!
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 No, but it's true. It's another myth that we are still dealing with now.
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 You can see the repercussions now of like it just seems, it's just real difficult to get a entire island nation of individualists together to do something.
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 Like you have all of America, this massive swath, huge size, all different types of population, and having them all try to be both special stars, that each one is their own, yes, your own god, your own master.
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 Your special little universe.
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 Your special little universe, which I do believe in, but it's really hard to get them all to then agree to help each other.
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 Yeah.
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 Because they are, they're naturally against it.
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 Thank god a weapon of mass destruction was able to do just that.
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 Yeah, because the key word was mass.
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 Mass.
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 And I bring up all this propaganda for a reason.
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 Because it was America's sustained propaganda efforts that made both the dropping of the bomb and its later similarly mythical release.
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 They were like, they just wanted to, I don't know, they liked the cloud!
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 They also saw it on TV, they're like, I missed that one.
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 Could we get one with a better footage?
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 It was a little gritty.
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 I mean, my entire point is that you don't need to mythologize older generations, older
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 times.
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 Humans have been the same forever and always and we will continue to be the same forever
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 and always and it's not until we fucking accept that, that we can truly make change in this
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 world.
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 It's forced to be jammed together by AI.
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 It sounds like it is truly coming down the pipe whether we like it or not.
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 You see that robot playing tennis?
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 Well, I mean, you remember in the immediate aftermath of 9-11?
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 You remember during the worst of the Iraq war?
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 Nuke the Middle East became a popular refrain amongst many citizens.
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 At least maybe that was just in Texas.
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 I definitely remember killing everyone that made me close to Dan.
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 I'm going to honestly say I was in 1969 in my mind during those years.
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 So I wasn't really there for a lot of this conversation.
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 So you were fighting Vietnam during Iraq.
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 I was thankful for Vietnam because of all the groovy tunes that came out of it.
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 Yeah, man.
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 It'd be funny to see with a hat with a bunch of sticks in it in college.
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 Like, it's Vietnam, we're the Viet Cong.
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 Yeah, they loved me then.
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 Yeah, they did.
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 But while many Americans knew that atomic warfare was, quote-unquote, bad, or, at the
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 very least, distasteful.
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 You know what, that's my biggest takeaway.
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 The full scope of what exactly the bomb did to the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it
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 isn't common knowledge because it's just too goddamn horrifying for most people to handle.
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 It's sort of like how everybody knows about the big serial killers, the big three, because
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 you can kind of gloss over the details and it's still a good story.
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 It's the reason why people don't know about the Chicago Rippers, because it's truly just
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 pure horror and they don't want to hear it.
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 They just released a transcript of the toolbox killers, talking about how they recorded one
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 of their murders and you see the detail within it, and it is extremely horrific.
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 But it was like when we were going to do an episode on the toolbox killers, we went to
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 go into doing all the research for it.
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 And I was like, there's nothing here.
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 Why can't I find anything?
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 There's been no definitive real anything.
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 So then that thing came out and you're like, oh, it's because it destroys your soul.
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 Reading the content of this happened.
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 It makes you.
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 Half a human for an afternoon.
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 We will cover that at some point, I guess?
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 You know, it's...
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 I don't know, it's fucking disgusting.
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 The Chicago...
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 Sadly, like, the Chicago Rippers is that story.
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 Right, right, yeah.
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 Yeah.
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 But to the point of not being able to handle the truth, if the average American truly knew
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 just how awful Hiroshima and Nagasaki really were, then our image of ourselves as the saviors
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 of humanity after World War II, that gets greatly tarnished.
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 And as we know, World War II is pretty much all we have to be proud of when it comes to
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 military operations over the last 80 years, to the point where assholes are still wearing
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 T-shirts to this day that say, America, back-to-back World War champs.
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 But no one ever says that about, like, the White Sox.
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 Right, the White Sox won, like, two World Series, like, 50 years apart.
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 Like we can't...
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 They would!
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 If they did, there would be T-shirts about that.
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 I'm just saying...
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 No, no, no, no, let's go back to, like, you know, the sports achievements of the 1940s.
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 You know, we aren't really holding onto that anymore.
[1229.24-1232.92]
 Yeah, lost four wars in a row to villagers with spikes.
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 You don't see that shirt.
[1234.48-1235.48]
 Where's that?
[1235.48-1238.88]
 Yeah, a lot of people taking credit for something they'd had no part of.
[1238.88-1239.88]
 Yeah.
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 Absolutely.
[1240.88-1243.28]
 Yeah, you don't go, like, four for four, South American coups.
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 I mean, technically we would be...
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 So we got the two wars.
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 I do want that shirt.
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 I fucking want that shirt.
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 I'm gonna say...
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 I'm gonna say, like, CIA, team, yeah, like, team CIA shirt.
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 Dude, yeah, they're working hard right now.
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 Oh, yeah.
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 But yeah, we want the two, World War I and World War II, then Korean, that's just moot.
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 It's neutral Vietnam you could say lost but we'll just say tied.
[1262.82-1263.82]
 We lost.
[1263.82-1267.10]
 Iraq War 1 message sent so I'm going to give that a big please.
[1267.10-1268.90]
 Iraq War 2 that's going to be...
[1268.90-1271.46]
 That was more of a... that's a slow rollout.
[1271.46-1272.46]
 That's a slow rollout.
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 And then Afgha..
[1273.46-1274.50]
 We're about 2-1 and 3.
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 We're 2-1 and 3 right now.
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 I'd say one...
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 I would say one, two, and three.
[1281.10-1285.22]
 Can I ask though as a comedian can I just ask this to the Mineralist before we start
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 because obviously we're going to get in some really heavy material here.
[1287.42-1288.42]
 Extraordinarily heavy.
[1288.42-1293.36]
 Probably some of the most intense shit we've ever talked about on the show.
[1293.36-1294.36]
 Yeah and I...
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 Like I'm a silly guy.
[1295.36-1299.66]
 So I'm going to try to make jokes but I do feel like in many ways, I feel like comedians
[1299.66-1304.26]
 should be treated like medics in the war.
[1304.26-1309.14]
 We should be able to wave a little flag that says I'm a comedian, this is legal, it's legal
[1309.14-1310.62]
 for me to like...
[1310.62-1314.08]
 Sometimes you know, because when I mess up I get an angry email.
[1314.08-1315.76]
 You know what I mean?
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 Because you can still take shots because like you don't think that a medic at some point...
[1318.50-1320.06]
 Because medics, you're not supposed to shoot them.
[1320.06-1322.98]
 You don't think a medic every once in a while didn't shoot a fucking Nazi in the back of
[1322.98-1323.98]
 the head, right?
[1323.98-1324.98]
 Oh, I'm sure they did.
[1324.98-1325.98]
 Well yeah, I mean, actually, right?
[1325.98-1329.08]
 Well once you got to a certain point in the war, like yeah the medics, especially in Japan
[1329.08-1330.38]
 like on the Pacific side...
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 That's got to be cool for them.
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 No, they were absolutely fucking horrified to do it.
[1333.56-1336.38]
 They did not want to do it at all because they became medics specifically so they wouldn't
[1336.38-1337.38]
 have to kill people.
[1337.38-1338.38]
 That's sad.
[1338.38-1339.38]
 Yeah, I always get in...
[1339.38-1340.38]
 What a waste of all these bullets.
[1340.38-1343.18]
 I always get into medicine when I don't want to see a bunch of gore.
[1343.18-1348.18]
 I mean, like yeah, we did take down the Germans from the west while the Russians took it from
[1348.18-1349.18]
 the east.
[1349.18-1378.20]
 We captured the Italians...
[1350.00-1354.02]
 We stormed the beaches at Normandy, we liberated France...
[1354.02-1356.56]
 You can't conquer the Italians. You show up at 3 pm...
[1356.56-1360.46]
 The Italian front was actually, because you know why?
[1360.46-1362.88]
 Craggy, real craggy land, real hard to take.
[1362.88-1364.40]
 That's where my grandfather was.
[1364.40-1368.50]
 But, right at the end of World War II, when we could have come out clean,
[1368.50-1374.48]
 we not only committed war crimes, we invented entirely new war crimes
[1374.48-1376.46]
 when we really didn't have to.
[1376.46-1379.72]
 That is the wartime equivalent of someone coming up to me saying,
[1379.72-1381.16]
 so what are you working on next?
[1381.16-1383.78]
 What you're working on next, above and beyond.
[1383.78-1386.70]
 That's America.
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 And so, without further ado, let's get into those war crimes
[1390.50-1393.50]
 with our return to the city of Hiroshima.
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 Just, why are you laughing? They were fucking war crimes.
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 They're war crimes Henry. Why are you laughing?
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 This episode of war crimes was brought to you by BetterHelp.
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 Yeah, BetterHelp.
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 If you had your nest later this morning when you were waking up
[1405.68-1407.96]
 and you want a good Jimmy Dean breakfast sandwich,
[1407.96-1409.78]
 Never Forget it was brought to you by war crimes.
[1409.78-1413.40]
 And then I saw the mushroom cloud.
[1413.40-1417.50]
 Oh, sounds like you need a sausage, egg and cheese biscuit from Jimmy Dean.
[1417.50-1420.20]
 Fly from your grave.
[1420.20-1423.82]
 We're rejoining this story just as the little boy bomb
[1423.82-1428.78]
 is slowly dropping by parachute on its way to change the course of human history.
[1428.78-1431.62]
 And the fact they put that spinny hat on it, I just thought that was rude.
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 Okay, I'm done.
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 Now, B-29 super-fortress planes, the kind that drop nukes,
[1437.04-1439.90]
 they weren't an uncommon sight in the skies of Hiroshima.
[1440.00-1445.60]
 This area was often a rendezvous point for B-29s on their way to firebomb other cities.
[1446.48-1451.52]
 But even though Hiroshima hadn't been firebombed yet, the air raid sirens still went off every
[1451.52-1455.84]
 time a B-29 was spotted, just in case they decided to firebomb this time.
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 And by the morning of August 6th, 1945, since so many cities had been firebombed over Japan
[1461.52-1466.96]
 over the previous week, the citizens of Hiroshima were fried because they'd been woken up every
[1466.96-1472.88]
 night for weeks by air raid warnings. But with every warning, the firebombing that had ravaged
[1472.88-1478.80]
 so many other Japanese cities hadn't come, so the people of Hiroshima began to think that maybe
[1478.80-1484.32]
 they'd be spared the fate of cities like Tokyo where over 100,000 people had been burned alive.
[1484.32-1486.16]
 Can I just say this? Let me sleep.
[1488.72-1492.00]
 Just let me sleep. I'm dying of sleep. Please don't wake me up.
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 Yeah. Now, Japanese intelligence had been tracking the movements of the plane carrying the atomic
[1497.04-1502.48]
 bomb bound for Hiroshima, and they knew enough about recent breakthroughs in nuclear research
[1502.48-1507.68]
 to surmise that just three planes grouped together rather than hundreds out there on a bomb run.
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 That implied there might be a surprise in store.
[1510.56-1516.08]
 Oh yeah. And especially it had been kind of, how do you say, loosely floated that we are
[1516.08-1522.08]
 working on a brand new superweapon. And it seems that, oh, whoa, the United States keeps building
[1522.08-1528.72]
 these giant air force bases right next to us, impromptu and real quick. And then there's all
[1528.72-1547.44]
 these supply chains.
[1530.00-1557.76]
 But
[1557.76-1564.10]
 even after intelligence informed the imperial Japanese army of the Enola Gay's trajectory...
[1587.76-1610.48]
 they
[1610.48-1620.08]
 decided to not warn Hiroshima in any way.
[1680.00-1682.22]
 Because these fuckers were intense.
[1682.22-1687.52]
 They weren't just made to drop bombs, they were made to fly through the air and kill
[1687.52-1691.08]
 everything in the air around them so they could drop bombs.
[1691.08-1694.64]
 So if you're sending out, you know, planes, you don't know what the fuck they're there
[1694.64-1697.80]
 for, you don't know what they're doing, they might just be on a reconnaissance mission,
[1697.80-1699.12]
 you don't have a whole lot of planes to spare.
[1699.12-1703.20]
 But they also refused to believe that the Americans would be able to build a bomb.
[1703.20-1704.30]
 Yeah, yeah.
[1704.30-1708.24]
 Additionally, when the Enola Gay came into Hiroshima's sight from the ground when someone
[1708.24-1710.14]
 eyeballed it, no airbomb.
[1710.00-1715.28]
 A great signal was given because the men responsible for giving the go-ahead were at breakfast.
[1715.28-1719.12]
 Now, this isn't quite the dereliction of duty that one might expect.
[1719.12-1724.44]
 I don't know this for sure, but knowing what I know about American firebomb raids on Japan,
[1724.44-1726.06]
 morning was probably a time of relief.
[1726.06-1730.96]
 Once the sun came up, the danger was gone because American firebombings always happened
[1730.96-1731.96]
 at night.
[1731.96-1734.50]
 Because it's harder to fight back, and then when the smoke emerges, all that kind of stuff,
[1734.50-1737.16]
 it's harder to see the planes in the sky.
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 The cover of night.
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 As such, a fourteen-year-old girl named Yoshi Oka spotted the Enola Gay, but was forced
[1743.98-1749.42]
 by protocol to sit there with her finger on the air raid button waiting for the order
[1749.42-1750.42]
 to be given.
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 I see a man.
[1751.42-1753.64]
 His long, flowing, orange hair.
[1753.64-1755.72]
 Its wide, cardiganed arms spread wide.
[1755.72-1760.16]
 And it does seem to be several cylinders of green coming from his gut.
[1760.16-1762.54]
 Oh, what a sight to see.
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 Come with me, little girl, if you want to live.
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 The plane garbled.
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 Come with me, little girl, if you want to live.
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 I smell the smell of scotch.
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 And I see the indents of PlayStation buttons on his thumbs.
[1776.32-1779.76]
 I've been playing with Jordan Love, as a matter of fact.
[1779.76-1780.76]
 That's nice.
[1780.76-1783.80]
 Also, Diablo 4, surprisingly fun.
[1783.80-1785.28]
 Are you getting into the grind?
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 I can see you're getting into the grind.
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 I'm on to Final Fantasy XVI right now.
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 I'd like to think all of the horrible, the victims of Hiroshima that couldn't play Diablo
[1794.04-1795.04]
 4.
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 Thank you, Henry.
[1796.04-1800.12]
 The fact that a 14-year-old girl was in such a position tells you a lot about Hiroshima
[1800.26-1807.26]
 Hiroshima as a city. While the Americans were telling themselves and telling everyone else that Hiroshima was a pure military target,
[1807.26-1810.64]
 and therefore fair game, the reality was far from it.
[1810.64-1817.00]
 Even though 23,000 children had mercifully been evacuated outside the city a few months earlier,
[1817.00-1823.22]
 so they might escape a possible fire bombing, there were only about 43,000 soldiers there.
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 Which is a lot! 43,000 is a bunch.
[1825.42-1828.52]
 But as far as civilians... quarter million.
[1828.52-1830.52]
 Yeah. They just let them all hide.
[1830.52-1835.56]
 So it was... the ratio for military personnel to civilians was quite low.
[1835.56-1840.48]
 Also you look at a country low on resources, what do I know, from Civ VI,
[1840.48-1845.56]
 is that when cities get bombing and then populations increases across the other cities,
[1845.56-1847.56]
 the resources for the other cities go down.
[1847.56-1852.04]
 So you can only spread the people as far as where the food is.
[1852.04-1859.56]
 So if you don't have any food, it's going to be hard for an extra 250,000 people to show up at your city.
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 It's going to be extremely difficult to house and feed them.
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 Absolutely.
[1862.06-1867.60]
 Even just those 23,000 children, the stories that they tell is that they mostly starved out there in the country.
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 They had very little rations, they were lucky to get a ball of rice a day, as far as what they could eat.
[1873.76-1877.26]
 Like everybody in Japan is fucking starving at this time.
[1877.26-1885.70]
 By the time 14 year old Yoshioka finally heard the go ahead buzzer to push the air raid button, it was 8.13am.
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 This gave the city of Hiroshima two minutes to prepare before the attack.
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 Before a little bomb detonated 1,900 feet above the city centre.
[1980.00-1988.88]
 This gave the city of Hiroshima less than two minutes to prepare before a little boy
[1988.88-1992.98]
 detonated 1,900 feet above the city center.
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 Immediately upon the bomb's detonation, a tremendous flash of pure, silent, white energy
[1999.26-2005.02]
 blasted its way from the epicenter, and less than 1 tenth of a second, 30% of Hiroshima's
[2005.02-2010.14]
 population, 80,000 people, were simply gone.
[2010.14-2015.42]
 A man sitting on the steps of a bank, waiting for it to open, was reduced to a dusty black
[2015.42-2017.12]
 outline on the granite.
[2017.12-2022.78]
 And the skin on people, even as far away as the suburbs, was darkened several shades,
[2022.78-2025.90]
 save what parts of their bodies were shielded from the blast.
[2025.90-2030.44]
 For example, say you held your hand up to your face, just by instinct.
[2030.44-2035.58]
 Everything around the shadow of your hand would have been darkened, but the skin shielded
[2035.58-2038.74]
 by your hand would stay its normal shade.
[2038.74-2043.72]
 These markings came to be called the Mask of Hiroshima and they persisted for months
[2043.72-2044.98]
 afterward.
[2044.98-2045.98]
 So weird.
[2045.98-2046.98]
 You sent like a chill up my spine.
[2046.98-2051.78]
 The idea of like, because the Mask of Hiroshima does sound like an incredible spa, but not,
[2051.78-2052.78]
 it's not good.
[2052.78-2060.62]
 So the Mask is the shadow outline of your hand, why didn't it erode the hand?
[2060.62-2064.26]
 Because it does physically block the energetic wave.
[2064.26-2067.24]
 Because this is the power of the sun.
[2067.24-2068.82]
 They have unlocked the power of the sun.
[2068.82-2085.06]
 They have basically opened up the...
[2070.00-2086.94]
 up
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 all
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 the
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 way
[2155.22-2165.24]
 way
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 A flash of smoking black char. These were effectively melted bone, pure charred bone,
[2166.92-2173.20]
 because all of the viscera in these bodies had been boiled away in a fraction of a second.
[2173.20-2188.74]
 After the flash, however, came the shockwave.
[2188.74-2195.40]
 At the speed of 7,200 mph, the shockwave traveled from the center with such force that
[2195.40-2202.06]
 it shattered windows 10 miles away and was felt at a distance of 37 miles away.
[2202.06-2226.06]
 Within the radius of the blast, a lot of them said they couldn't hear the sound of the explosion.
[2226.06-2231.06]
 In Hiroshima, however, the shockwave demolished two-thirds of the city's buildings as if they
[2231.06-2236.38]
 had been cut down by an enormous scythe, shredding the people inside their homes with broken
[2236.38-2240.14]
 glass or ripping apart their bodies with the flying debris.
[2240.14-2246.74]
 Finally, though, came the fire. In less than a second, the bomb created a fireball that
[2246.74-2262.42]
 expanded to 900 feet, and the resulting flames were so intense that the entire city was on
[2250.00-2256.28]
 That firestorm eventually destroyed everything within 4.4 miles of Ground Zero.
[2256.28-2262.02]
 The Enola Gay, meanwhile, was trying to get as far away from Hiroshima as fast as it possibly
[2262.02-2267.36]
 could. To avoid getting caught in the blast, pilot Paul Tibbets had to get clear within
[2267.36-2273.72]
 43 seconds of the bomb's drop from the bomb bay. As soon as Little Boy was off, Tibbets
[2273.72-2280.84]
 turned 155 degrees and hit full throttle, which tail gunner Bob Caron, unaware of what
[2280.84-2283.34]
 they'd just done, he described it as being, quote,
[2283.34-2286.34]
 Better than the cyclone at Coney Island.
[2286.34-2289.32]
 It's good to have fun with it.
[2289.32-2295.88]
 There's so much within this story that, like, when you then hear it retold by 1940s and
[2295.88-2300.88]
 1950s announcers, that you're like, you could really see why we just didn't, we just kind
[2300.88-2305.60]
 of sanitized it. Which meant like, and that bomb blast was the most incredible thing we've
[2305.60-2311.12]
 ever seen. You mean like, it's all just hyper positive all the time about all of this shit.
[2311.12-2313.50]
 But then also a lot of people just didn't know either.
[2313.50-2317.32]
 No, this guy had no idea that they dropped it. He just knew like, hey, we got this big
[2317.32-2320.00]
 bomb and we're going to drop. So he had no fucking clue.
[2320.00-2324.44]
 All he was being told by a couple of scientists he just met is that we're about to end the
[2324.44-2325.44]
 war.
[2325.44-2330.36]
 Yeah. But once the bomb detonated, the resulting shockwave shook the plane with such force
[2330.36-2335.44]
 that the crew figured they were under fire from Japanese flak. But at that point, Tibbets
[2335.44-2362.48]
 circled back around and saw the mushroom cloud created by little boy.
[2340.00-2347.86]
 It had already risen to 30,000 feet in the air and was visible from almost 400 miles
[2347.86-2364.44]
 away.
[2364.44-2369.12]
 After staring at the mushroom cloud in silence, the crew snapped back to reality and made
[2369.12-2383.18]
 the predictable world war 2 statements. The war is over. Holy Moses, what a mess! Tibbets
[2383.18-2392.80]
 meanwhile, was beyond pleased with himself. But the co-pilot, Captain Robert Lewis, seemed
[2392.80-2398.98]
 to be the only one who truly grasped what had just happened. In his log, he asked a
[2398.98-2402.56]
 simple and reasonable question. He wrote,
[2402.56-2424.52]
 My god, what have we done?
[2424.52-2430.16]
 Yes, indeed, log.
[2430.00-2444.36]
 Now just after the bomb was dropped, one of the nuclear technicians who'd helped assemble
[2444.36-2449.18]
 the bomb in the air, he was already giving a lecture to the crew on nuclear fission.
[2449.18-2460.38]
 And they're like, oh see what we have just done here is a thing called nuclear fission.
[2460.38-2461.38]
 It is not fission like some of the war-dumb people would-
[2461.38-2463.26]
 And they're just getting their dick sucked by a woman that got shipped in from a factory.
[2463.26-2466.82]
 Like they're in the air because like, everybody, these guys are just like everybody else in
[2466.82-2471.16]
 the Manhattan Project. They've spent years not being able to tell anybody about this
[2471.16-2475.54]
 shit. And these guys couldn't even wait to get to the ground to tell someone about what
[2475.54-2480.62]
 they just accomplished. Likewise, once the Enola Gay landed, the crew was met with cheers
[2480.62-2486.86]
 from military personnel, scientists, journalists, photographers. Paul Tibbets was given a medal
[2486.86-2488.64]
 upon exiting the plane.
[2488.64-2491.88]
 They had a medal ready for him and waiting.
[2491.88-2497.78]
 Back in Hiroshima, however, the nightmare was just beginning. One writer said that after
[2497.78-2502.68]
 the shockwave, there was a fearful silence all throughout the ruins, which made it appear
[2502.68-2509.10]
 as if all the people, animals, trees, vegetation were all dead. In fact, it was so quiet and
[2509.10-2514.44]
 the devastation was so massive that the writers' thoughts weren't towards a terrible new weapon,
[2514.44-2516.66]
 but rather the end of the world itself.
[2516.66-2518.62]
 Yeah, like, did this happen everywhere?
[2518.62-2539.54]
 Yeah. That sentiment, however.
[2520.00-2524.04]
 Whoever was more confined to the areas of the city that weren't immediately burning
[2524.04-2527.32]
 due to the massive firestorm created by the bomb.
[2527.32-2534.44]
 Soon, most of the city was actively blazing as blue-green balls of fire drifted throughout
[2534.44-2535.44]
 the firestorm.
[2535.44-2537.96]
 Everyone said too is that it was beautiful.
[2537.96-2545.20]
 Yeah, they said they were watching this, this moment of living like a dragon.
[2545.20-2548.08]
 It looked like a giant living monster.
[2548.08-2550.24]
 And it was moving and shimmering.
[2550.24-2555.40]
 One guy said he felt like as the radiation drifted down, is that it felt like you were
[2555.40-2558.74]
 in a, like, it felt like a laser light show.
[2558.74-2559.74]
 Yeah.
[2559.74-2564.64]
 Where you were just this beautiful cascading bl-greens and pinks and oranges.
[2564.64-2566.68]
 And it was like this mist of it.
[2566.68-2569.60]
 And they were all like captivated by it.
[2569.60-2572.04]
 Well, people soon began to flee.
[2572.04-2575.44]
 But the word flee suggests an urgency, a panic.
[2575.44-2576.88]
 It wasn't like that.
[2576.88-2583.00]
 Rather, the people shuffled in silent shock, blankly staring straight ahead.
[2583.00-2588.60]
 Skin hung from the faces of some, while others vomited as they walked.
[2588.60-2592.76]
 Most were wearing clothing that at best had been shredded by debris, but a lot of them
[2592.76-2594.30]
 were fully naked.
[2594.30-2599.08]
 Those who were naked had experienced the full disintegration of their clothing, but on a
[2599.08-2605.32]
 few their clothes had left patterns burned on their skin as they dissolve.
[2605.32-2608.76]
 On the men, you could see marks from their suspenders.
[2608.76-2635.42]
 But the more disturbing one...
[2610.00-2617.58]
...was the women who were wearing kimonos. Flower designs that were on their kimonos had been burned into their skin.
[2617.58-2621.50]
 And these pattern burns depended entirely on the colour of the clothing.
[2621.50-2626.16]
 White clothes would repel the light. Dark patterns though, absorbed it.
[2626.16-2629.76]
 And those dark patterns caused deeper and deadlier burns.
[2629.76-2631.46]
 Please don't bring up the lights and colours thing.
[2631.46-2632.18]
 No this is actually...
[2632.18-2633.94]
 Because I really don't want...
[2633.94-2634.94]
...it's running into my colour skin.
[2634.94-2636.44]
 I don't want to hear anymore...
[2636.44-2639.08]
 See the white repelled it because white is everything but...
[2639.08-2641.60]
 Marcus, why in the love of God...
[2641.60-2642.90]
 No, this is true!
[2642.90-2648.90]
 I... we have been talking about this one useless fact that I do believe has been debunked.
[2648.90-2652.36]
 Yeah, and it's also a scientific fact that this is what happened in Hiroshima.
[2652.36-2654.36]
 It is a... it is scientific...
[2654.36-2654.86]
 Exactly!
[2654.86-2655.36]
...proven fact.
[2655.36-2656.58]
 That's what proves my point.
[2656.58-2661.32]
 He's saying he's happy about Hiroshima because it proves his colour ideas.
[2661.32-2663.80]
 It's... no... everyone agrees with me on that.
[2663.80-2665.08]
 They do.
[2665.08-2666.44]
 But this is bad news.
[2666.44-2667.88]
 You definitely...
[2667.88-2669.34]
 We gotta make jokes here.
[2669.34-2670.72]
 We have to.
[2670.72-2673.74]
 I would have liked... I hope I'm wearing my favourite shirt.
[2673.74-2674.74]
 What's your favourite shirt?
[2674.74-2675.74]
 Oh, because it's...
[2675.74-2679.48]
 Oh, I tell you what though, that cardigan is gonna stick to you like it's napalm.
[2679.48-2679.98]
 Yeah, it is.
[2679.98-2680.48]
 Yeah.
[2680.48-2680.98]
 It's the five...
[2680.98-2684.02]
 I'd wear my little... I'd wear my little Packer's Jersey.
[2684.02-2685.60]
 I would have already been naked.
[2685.60-2686.60]
 Yeah, already.
[2686.60-2688.32]
 As soon as the sirens are... within that two minutes.
[2688.32-2690.12]
 Oh, just start taking it off.
[2690.12-2693.66]
 But while some tried helping, there was only so much they could do.
[2693.66-2696.56]
 A doctor named Michihiko Hachia.
[2696.56-2698.76]
 These are difficult names, so bear with me.
[2698.76-2726.80]
 He ran from his home.
[2700.00-2705.48]
 with his wife before it collapsed, but the doctor fell over as he escaped to the streets.
[2705.48-2708.50]
 It was not, however, debris that had tripped him up.
[2708.50-2714.78]
 Rather, the doctor had stumbled over a man's head that had been severed and thrown
[2714.78-2718.78]
 who knows how far away from its body as a result of the blast.
[2718.78-2721.78]
 This is why we just gotta let him sniff butts.
[2721.78-2724.78]
 If they're getting into the sniffing butts...
[2724.78-2725.78]
 What?!
[2725.78-2726.78]
 Sure! Sure!
[2726.78-2727.78]
 I don't understand what...
[2727.78-2728.78]
 We'll talk about it.
[2728.78-2729.78]
 We have no idea what you're talking about.
[2729.78-2730.78]
 We talked about last week.
[2730.78-2731.78]
 The game shows.
[2731.78-2732.78]
 Kissel got into the Japanese game shows.
[2732.78-2733.78]
 The game shows.
[2733.78-2734.78]
 The game shows.
[2734.78-2735.78]
 Being overly into guys sniffing butts.
[2735.78-2736.78]
 I don't know if they're overly into it.
[2736.78-2740.78]
 I don't know how a man getting his head blown up by a nuclear blast
[2740.78-2741.78]
 Because the trauma.
[2741.78-2742.78]
 Trauma.
[2742.78-2743.78]
 The man's trauma.
[2743.78-2744.78]
 Oh, because it was traumatized.
[2744.78-2745.78]
 So now...
[2745.78-2746.78]
 The internalized generational trauma.
[2746.78-2749.78]
 They're allowed to do whatever they need to get.
[2749.78-2750.78]
 Butts.
[2750.78-2751.78]
 Butts sniffing.
[2751.78-2752.78]
 Yeah, anything that allows them to smile.
[2752.78-2753.78]
 So this is about no judgment?
[2753.78-2754.78]
 Yes.
[2754.78-2755.78]
 This is about no judgment.
[2755.78-2756.78]
 No judgment zone.
[2756.78-2757.78]
 Absolutely.
[2757.78-2758.78]
 No judgment zone.
[2758.78-2759.78]
 Okay, all right.
[2759.78-2761.98]
 All right, so this guy's tripping over human skeletons.
[2761.98-2763.30]
 What a fucking nightmare.
[2763.30-2764.30]
 Human heads.
[2764.30-2765.30]
 Human heads.
[2765.30-2766.30]
 Great.
[2766.30-2770.06]
 After recovering from that horror, the doctor looked around to see people with skin blackened
[2770.06-2775.98]
 by burns bald from head to toe because the thermal flash had disintegrated their hair.
[2775.98-2781.90]
 Dr. Hachia said that even though these people were up and walking, their burns were so severe
[2781.90-2786.54]
 and their skin so black that he couldn't tell whether he was looking at these people from
[2786.54-2788.30]
 the front or the back.
[2788.30-2817.18]
 Wow, that is so...
[2790.34-2791.28]
 Freaking creepy.
[2791.28-2791.78]
 Yes.
[2791.78-2797.74]
 These walking ghosts, as the doctor called them, had been created by the two-fold power of the atomic bomb.
[2798.14-2803.04]
 See, while the thermal flash had instantly blistered, burned, and loosened their skin,
[2803.04-2807.50]
 the following shockwave had torn that blistered skin loose,
[2807.88-2811.18]
 but had not ripped it from their bodies altogether.
[2811.18-2816.50]
 As such, the doctor saw a young girl who had been facing away from the blast,
[2816.50-2821.36]
 who was walking with the skin from her back hanging down from her hips,
[2821.64-2826.18]
 while the skin on her hands was hanging loose, as if they were rubber gloves.
[2827.54-2833.72]
 Now most people tried saving only relatives and close friends on that first day, because it was all they could handle,
[2833.72-2836.66]
 but most were too overwhelmed and shocked
[2836.66-2840.58]
 to pay any attention to the people screaming from underneath the rubble and wreckage.
[2840.58-2842.96]
 Oh, but that was also for your- the sloughing fans.
[2842.96-2845.12]
 You have to remember that was for the fanservice.
[2845.12-2846.52]
 Yeah, it was for fanservice, yeah.
[2846.52-2849.28]
 Yeah, oh my God, I don't even know what you would rather be,
[2849.28-2851.52]
 stuck under some rubble or walking like that.
[2851.52-2852.88]
 I'd be the first wave.
[2852.88-2854.80]
 Again, sleeping vaporized. That would be great.
[2854.80-2855.78]
 Yeah, oh yeah.
[2855.78-2862.78]
 From one recollection, a man said that his father had come across a stranger trapped by a large log that had fallen on her leg.
[2862.78-2866.06]
 The father shouted for help to lift the log up, but no one came.
[2866.06-2867.02]
 He started screaming,
[2867.02-2868.64]
 are you not Japanese?
[2868.64-2870.02]
 Will you not come help?
[2870.02-2871.00]
 No one helped.
[2871.00-2872.32]
 Everyone was in shock.
[2872.32-2880.26]
 So after losing patience, the father found a rusty saw and cut off the woman's leg and rescued her himself.
[2880.00-2886.28]
 But, of course, that was in the section of the city that wasn't actively on fire.
[2886.28-2891.52]
 For much of the city of Hiroshima, the fire was inescapable on land, so people walked
[2891.52-2897.24]
 into one of Hiroshima's seven rivers to get away both from the fire and to find relief
[2897.24-2899.24]
 for their flash burns.
[2899.24-2901.94]
 Very few of those people, however, survived.
[2901.94-2907.52]
 As one witness put it, watching these people walk into the river was like watching a parade
[2907.52-2910.52]
 of ghosts being swept away like garbage.
[2910.52-2911.52]
 Good lord.
[2911.52-2913.08]
 Well, they are not garbage.
[2913.08-2914.16]
 No, no.
[2914.16-2915.16]
 But it's just, ugh, god.
[2915.16-2918.64]
 You can probably see their skin would probably then get off of the body.
[2918.64-2919.64]
 Yeah.
[2919.64-2920.64]
 Oh, yeah.
[2920.64-2922.92]
 The water brings the skin off real fast.
[2922.92-2925.36]
 I feel like we're in a Tom Waits song.
[2925.36-2926.36]
 I know!
[2926.36-2927.36]
 I don't like it.
[2927.36-2928.36]
 I do like Tom Waits.
[2928.36-2929.92]
 I think this is more Nick Cave territory.
[2929.92-2930.92]
 Yeah.
[2930.92-2934.16]
 Those are musicians I don't want to be any part of their lyrics, but I do like to listen
[2934.16-2935.16]
 to them.
[2935.16-2938.12]
 Before we get to the new sidebar, have you seen Nick Cave enjoying Bruce Springsteen?
[2938.12-2939.12]
 No.
[2939.12-2940.12]
 You should look it up.
[2940.12-2941.12]
 I will.
[2941.12-2942.12]
 Sorry, Marcus, but Nick Cave's a huge Bruce Springsteen fan.
[2942.12-2943.12]
 No, we need that.
[2943.12-2948.36]
 You watched him watch that scarecrow man dance like a 40-year-old dad to Glory Days.
[2948.36-2949.36]
 Okay.
[2949.36-2952.10]
 It's one of the most enlightening things you could see because it's him as a ghoul.
[2952.10-2953.10]
 It's full Nick Cave.
[2953.10-2955.00]
 He's going, Glory Days.
[2955.00-2957.12]
 Like he's just him dancing along, loving his life.
[2957.12-2961.36]
 Nick Cave's his own man if his love of Bruce Springsteen is what produced such wonderful
[2961.36-2964.16]
 songs as Henry Lee and The Ballad of Moldavian.
[2964.16-2965.16]
 Absolutely not.
[2965.16-2966.16]
 No, no, no.
[2966.16-2967.16]
 I think he was just on camera.
[2967.16-2969.26]
 I know Bruce Springsteen personally as a friend.
[2969.26-2997.26]
 Oh, I'd dance with him.
[2970.00-2977.20]
 Well, those who did survive swimming in the river would have to push away dead bodies
[2977.20-2986.12]
 with their bare hands like so much driftwood.
[2986.12-2990.52]
 Those people, however, were the ones who still had the presence of mind to make the connection
[2990.52-2994.04]
 that a river would be the safest place in a firestorm.
[2994.04-3000.56]
 Many, instead, wandered aimlessly, trapped in an unspeakably painful horror show.
[3000.56-3006.90]
 One schoolgirl remembered seeing a man without feet walking on his ankles, while another
[3006.90-3011.60]
 saw a man whose eyes were swollen two inches out from the sockets.
[3011.60-3018.56]
 And this unrecognizable, unfortunate soul horrified the witness by calling her by her
[3018.56-3019.56]
 name.
[3019.56-3021.24]
 Julia?!
[3021.24-3022.24]
 From gym class?!
[3022.24-3023.24]
 Ned?
[3023.24-3024.24]
 Fireson?!
[3024.24-3027.48]
 Oh my god, that is so fucking horrifying.
[3027.48-3028.48]
 Yeah, dude, it's not good.
[3028.48-3029.48]
 No, it ain't good.
[3029.48-3030.48]
 It ain't good.
[3030.48-3036.48]
 Now, this man was only one of thousands who had begun to swell after the blast.
[3036.48-3042.12]
 Faces were especially susceptible, sometimes swelling so large that it was impossible to
[3042.12-3044.92]
 tell where the eyes and mouths were.
[3044.92-3052.96]
 As one woman horrifyingly put it, you can't imagine how big a human body can swell up.
[3052.96-3056.16]
 Can I make a joke about fat Chris Christie?
[3056.16-3085.00]
 I feel like you just added a lot of negative jokes.
[3060.00-3061.22]
 Please do, please do!
[3061.22-3063.74]
 Yeah, I've seen someone fucking blow up like that.
[3063.74-3067.60]
 Yeah, Chris Christie must have been attacked by an atomic bomb!
[3067.60-3069.50]
 Yeah, you ever seen John Panette?
[3069.50-3070.50]
 He's dead.
[3070.50-3071.50]
 RIP.
[3071.50-3073.02]
 And he lost weight before he died.
[3073.02-3074.02]
 He did!
[3074.02-3075.02]
 Yeah.
[3075.02-3076.70]
 Now, I think it's important to mention...
[3076.70-3078.78]
 Who else is big and an asshole?
[3078.78-3079.78]
 Ah!
[3079.78-3082.96]
 Ma'am, insert you all know someone who's a big asshole in your own lives.
[3082.96-3083.96]
 Just put it in there.
[3083.96-3084.96]
 Insert.
[3084.96-3085.96]
 Yeah, from electronics.
[3085.96-3087.42]
 Put that person in there.
[3087.42-3090.54]
 Create a punchline around that person that would make sense.
[3090.54-3092.66]
 Attach, they must have been at Hiroshima.
[3092.66-3093.66]
 Right.
[3093.66-3094.66]
 There's your joke.
[3094.66-3099.80]
 Now, I think it's important to mention that this is only the first few hours after the
[3099.80-3104.90]
 bombs fell, and that all of these people that I've mentioned, they're all still alive.
[3104.90-3105.90]
 Yeah, man!
[3105.90-3106.90]
 You'd be surprised.
[3106.90-3111.22]
 That was the other thing after the fact where they thought, we'll get into the aftermath.
[3111.22-3113.38]
 I don't want to spoil it.
[3113.38-3114.38]
 We'll get into the aftermath.
[3114.38-3115.38]
 Yeah, next episode.
[3115.38-3116.68]
 Yeah, we're gonna get into the aftermath.
[3116.68-3121.16]
 But you're gonna find out they were kind of surprised that they all didn't die.
[3121.16-3122.52]
 Yeah, I would be pretty surprised.
[3122.52-3126.52]
 We were fed this line that it was just gonna vaporize them.
[3126.52-3127.52]
 This is it.
[3127.52-3128.52]
 That it's clean.
[3128.52-3129.52]
 Boom!
[3129.52-3133.28]
 Yes, there's gonna be radiation fallout, but we made sure that there was measures to control
[3133.28-3135.06]
 all these aspects and stuff.
[3135.06-3137.06]
 But no, they thought that everyone would be dead.
[3137.06-3142.50]
 And so when they showed up and they're like, oh, people lived, that was when the actual
[3142.50-3145.44]
 kind of cover up, that's kind of where the war crimes truly come in.
[3145.44-3147.92]
 Because they thought that it would just be empty.
[3147.92-3176.48]
 They thought it would be a city of rubble.
[3150.00-3154.92]
 This is Clive Barker. That's what it reminds me of. Clive Barker, very Hellraiser-esque.
[3154.92-3156.60]
 And things only got worse from there.
[3156.60-3158.92]
 Ah, well now, there you go!
[3158.92-3161.68]
 Fly from your grave.
[3161.68-3166.76]
 About an hour or two after the bomb fell, it began to rain in Hiroshima.
[3166.76-3173.08]
 But while this may seem like a relief, the fires had seeded the clouds above the city with ash,
[3173.08-3180.80]
 so the rain fell as a blackened mixture of ash and radioactive fallout in abnormally large drops.
[3180.80-3186.44]
 I don't know what these guys are complaining about. Freak chemo is incredible, because it's so expensive.
[3186.44-3188.80]
 What a day to be a weatherman.
[3188.80-3197.00]
 Now that the victims were covered in black sludge, the walking ghosts of Hiroshima took on a new level of horror.
[3197.00-3204.36]
 From the recollection of one man, he saw a woman with her jaw missing and her tongue hanging out of her mouth,
[3204.36-3209.56]
 wandering north and trying to call for help in the black rain.
[3209.56-3211.52]
 Well, I just can't.
[3211.52-3215.60]
 I don't even think you have to, you don't even have to say that you need help at that point, because we all know.
[3215.60-3220.68]
 By the time this, no, I just think America needs, you know, honestly, you can be relieved,
[3220.68-3223.48]
 because we won't even get to this in the Oppenheimer movie.
[3223.48-3227.68]
 By the time all this is happening in the Oppenheimer movie timeline, you're watching Barbie.
[3227.68-3230.48]
 You're already watching Barbie.
[3230.48-3231.48]
 You're already watching it.
[3231.48-3232.48]
 Talking about melting like wax.
[3232.48-3233.48]
 Yeah.
[3233.48-3237.36]
 Yeah, yes indeed. It's supposed to be funny. Margot Robbie.
[3237.36-3255.16]
 It'd be kind of cool, though, if you just, if they did at the end of the movie.
[3240.00-3243.14]
 Barbie movie just dropped the Nagasaki bomb.
[3243.14-3246.36]
 It's like he dropped a second bomb at the end of that and killed all of them.
[3246.36-3250.84]
 And then the last five minutes of that is Margot Robbie walking around with her face melted.
[3250.84-3252.04]
 And all of a sudden that would be cool.
[3252.04-3254.38]
 But you're not risky filmmakers like I would be.
[3254.38-3256.00]
 No, they had the Hiroshima play set.
[3256.00-3258.00]
 I'm surprised they didn't include that.
[3258.00-3260.00]
 Probably not going to be any...
[3260.00-3261.32]
 It's not selling well.
[3261.32-3263.20]
 No, I don't... no.
[3263.20-3264.72]
 They might cut out the...
[3264.72-3267.10]
 When Barbie got a little bit more diversity.
[3267.10-3269.10]
 That was nice.
[3269.10-3271.10]
 I don't even understand.
[3271.10-3273.10]
 It's a numbers game.
[3273.10-3278.10]
 If Barbie was real, she wouldn't even be able to stand up.
[3278.10-3279.10]
 Yeah.
[3279.10-3281.10]
 She's not an ideal mom.
[3281.10-3282.10]
 She's a doll.
[3282.10-3283.10]
 I'm also not a ninja turtle.
[3283.10-3285.10]
 I like to play with those.
[3285.10-3287.10]
 He's not a ninja turtle.
[3287.10-3289.10]
 He's not a ninja turtle.
[3289.10-3290.10]
 I am not.
[3290.10-3295.10]
 Soon, most of the survivors became covered in this almost tar-like rain.
[3295.10-3298.10]
 And those without any real presence of mind left
[3298.10-3302.10]
 didn't bother or didn't know that they should wash it off.
[3302.10-3306.10]
 In one terrifying example, a woman named Keiko,
[3306.10-3308.10]
 who was a small girl during the bombing,
[3308.10-3314.10]
 said that she and her four sisters had been left alone at home on August 6th.
[3314.10-3315.10]
 I'm scared of you.
[3315.10-3316.10]
 Their mother...
[3316.10-3318.10]
 Marcus is scary.
[3318.10-3321.10]
 Their mother had been out running errands when the bomb hit,
[3321.10-3326.10]
 so the five girls spent the next 24 hours huddled together in fear.
[3326.10-3330.10]
 Suddenly, a black creature crawling on all fours.
[3330.00-3337.52]
 The bombs were on the floor of the building, and the girls assumed the monster was a dying
[3337.52-3341.08]
 dog... soon collapsed and died.
[3341.08-3347.56]
 But upon further inspection, these girls found that the blackened creature had in fact been
[3347.56-3354.50]
 their own mother, who had instinctively crawled back to her home to die.
[3354.50-3374.72]
 And
[3374.72-3388.04]
 meanwhile the few people that were relatively uninjured spent the next few days trying to
[3388.04-3392.12]
 save others, although most were too far gone to save.
[3392.12-3397.80]
 One who tried anyway was the Reverend Kiyoshi Tanimoto, who tried ferrying people across
[3397.80-3400.98]
 a river, away from the raging fires.
[3400.98-3405.96]
 Boating down a river that night, Reverend Tanimoto came across a group of about 20 people
[3405.96-3408.44]
 crying for help from the water.
[3408.44-3413.00]
 They were too weak to lift themselves up into the boat, but when the Reverend reached out
[3413.00-3433.56]
 to take a woman's hand, her skin slipped off in huge, glove-like pieces.
[3420.00-3425.36]
 After taking a moment to himself to briefly process one of the worst things a human being
[3425.36-3435.40]
 can see, Reverend Tanimoto lowered himself into the water to gently lift every person
[3435.40-3452.44]
 into the boat, all while their skin and flesh, yes, sloughed off in red and yellow chunks.
[3452.44-3457.08]
 Once they were all in the boat, the Reverend had to remind himself over and over again
[3457.08-3463.28]
 that these were, in fact, human beings being ferried because they did not in any way resemble
[3463.28-3481.02]
 people in sight or smell.
[3481.02-3495.20]
 The
[3495.20-3509.92]
 group that had been calling him and making his life hell in Hiroshima this whole time,
[3540.00-3558.60]
 Now, Reverend Tanimoto became a minor celebrity in America after the publication of a book
[3558.60-3564.88]
 about the aftermath of Hiroshima by John Hershey that we'll discuss further in the next episode.
[3564.88-3570.12]
 Reverend Tanimoto was one of six survivors to tell their tale in detail, and he therefore
[3570.12-3575.60]
 became the human face of Hiroshima for many Americans, mostly because he spoke English.
[3575.60-3581.72]
 Ten years after Hiroshima, the reverend traveled to America with a group of 25 girls dubbed
[3581.72-3587.88]
 the Hiroshima Maidens, so named because they'd all been schoolgirls seriously disfigured
[3587.88-3590.04]
 by the thermal flash of the atomic bomb.
[3590.04-3595.64]
 Also, as you can imagine, the girls were no strangers.
[3595.64-3621.76]
 They were able to be their own magic wand and the only thing they were able to do was
[3600.00-3601.64]
 Oh yeah, yeah.
[3601.64-3602.64]
 Well maybe.
[3602.64-3603.64]
 Yeah, it'll be interesting.
[3603.64-3608.30]
 I mean, if you had the same Instagram algorithm as I do, they'd definitely be on Instagram
[3608.30-3609.30]
 dancing around.
[3609.30-3612.38]
 As you guys know, my current Instagram is rating Pizza Hut pizzas.
[3612.38-3613.74]
 Yo, it's true.
[3613.74-3616.94]
 I just saw Kessel looking like he was reading his stocks.
[3616.94-3618.46]
 Like, his stocks feedback.
[3618.46-3623.42]
 And it was just a man making a Pizza Hut pizza and he's like, I can't even believe that this
[3623.42-3624.42]
 is Pizza Hut pizza.
[3624.42-3625.42]
 No, I saw the bill.
[3625.42-3629.26]
 He was showing a Pizza Hut pizza, and I said, ooh, that looks good, but then he actually
[3629.26-3632.84]
 wanted to demonize the Pizza Hut pizza because he said it's too much crust.
[3632.84-3636.34]
 And then Rob, who's new in the studio, just moved here from New York, I'm sorry this is
[3636.34-3639.82]
 your first episode, but he's back and he said immediately too much bread.
[3639.82-3640.82]
 We all said too much bread.
[3640.82-3641.82]
 Too much bread immediately.
[3641.82-3643.10]
 It's full of cheese, so it's actually cheesy bread.
[3643.10-3644.78]
 But yeah, stuffed breading, stuffed crust.
[3644.78-3645.78]
 I don't even want to.
[3645.78-3646.78]
 Not really pizza.
[3646.78-3651.16]
 To be honest with you, to be frank, the idea of cheesy bread doesn't even turn me on right
[3651.16-3652.54]
 now.
[3652.54-3653.98]
 I don't want to see anything peeling.
[3653.98-3654.98]
 I don't want to see, I don't want to.
[3654.98-3655.98]
 No.
[3655.98-3656.98]
 I see.
[3656.98-3657.98]
 I don't want melted cheese anywhere near me right now.
[3657.98-3660.62]
 Today, do you know what I'm doing?
[3660.62-3661.62]
 Cold sandwiches.
[3661.62-3662.62]
 Cold sandwiches.
[3662.62-3663.62]
 Cold sandwiches today.
[3663.62-3664.62]
 That's good.
[3664.62-3665.62]
 Yes.
[3665.62-3669.94]
 Well, the Hiroshima maidens were seeking reconstructive surgeries to fix such conditions as hands that
[3669.94-3673.94]
 have permanently reverted to bent claws because of the burns, all their fingers had fused
[3673.94-3678.90]
 together, and they had facial scarring so extensive that it was considered too extreme
[3678.90-3680.74]
 to be seen on television at the time.
[3680.74-3681.74]
 Listen, let me.
[3681.74-3682.74]
 And then bring up television for a point.
[3682.74-3683.74]
 Now, listen, ladies, listen, ladies, listen.
[3683.74-3684.74]
 I hear your cries, honestly, and I'm with you.
[3684.74-3685.74]
 And I'm feeling you.
[3685.74-3686.74]
 I'm absolutely with you.
[3686.74-3689.52]
 And I'm feeling, you know, I'm having trouble looking at you, but I'm with you.
[3689.52-3690.52]
 Right.
[3690.00-3694.96]
 to fix you up. The thing is, faces, hands, real difficult. We get you all a couple of
[3694.96-3701.16]
 double D's. You're gonna go with breast implants. You think that these women need breast implants?
[3701.16-3704.68]
 Each one, you know, listen, now this might be some of people, now I just might be a CEO
[3704.68-3709.36]
 of a television network. Yeah, it does sound, honestly- Maybe just a big Hollywood plastic
[3709.36-3715.56]
 surgeon. Maybe, it's just me- They're not that far off of extreme makeover human edition,
[3715.56-3719.44]
 which lasted for two or three seasons. Ugly duckling, I remember that show. Was it called
[3719.44-3723.08]
 ugly duckling? There was a British version called ugly duckling. Oh my goodness. Well,
[3723.08-3727.76]
 if you're wondering why I mentioned television specifically, it's because Reverend Tonomoto,
[3727.76-3733.28]
 upon his arrival in America, was a guest on an episode of a television show called This
[3733.28-3738.12]
 Is Your Life. Yes. If you've never heard of it, and why would ya? Meh. This is your life
[3738.12-3744.80]
 was a show where regular people were surprised on live television without warning by a retrospective
[3744.80-3749.48]
 of their life as told by colleagues, relatives, and friends. It would be kind of across the
[3749.48-3756.60]
 board. I want to say they had like Helen Keller and they mostly had her feel textures. There
[3756.60-3761.68]
 was a bunch of celebrities on this. They also had regular people, too. I mean, I don't remember
[3761.68-3765.16]
 it, but I've seen it on YouTube. I remember the last living Civil War guy. Yeah. I mean,
[3765.16-3770.24]
 they had a couple of those guys and they show up and be like, and this is the slave you
[3770.24-3773.94]
 beat. You know what I mean? It's like, wow, you know what I mean? Something like that.
[3773.94-3778.50]
 This one was a real gotcha one. Yeah, this was an extreme gotcha. And is this, this isn't
[3778.50-3803.52]
 the one where they had to guess which the one.
[3810.00-3821.52]
 And after hearing from various people, such as two Hiroshima maidens who, of course, had
[3821.52-3833.12]
 to be hidden behind a screen so as to not offend the American audience, finally the
[3833.12-3840.52]
 producers brought out a guest that was, at best, in bad taste, and at worst, extraordinarily
[3840.52-3841.52]
 ghoulish.
[3841.52-3846.86]
 Because they prepped the whole beginning of this, is it's the character from Ren and Stimpy,
[3846.86-3850.54]
 the broadcaster character, it is that guy. He was like, hey, there ladies and gentlemen,
[3850.54-3854.20]
 brought to you, oh you might not even see that little name right now, that is our advertiser,
[3854.20-3860.72]
 Mr. Tanimoto, yes, you might not know. But we have a special guest here today. So first
[3860.72-3864.52]
 of all, I want to know, what was Hiroshima like the day we dropped the bomb? And he makes
[3864.52-3869.12]
 him go through the day. Meanwhile, the man is like, highly, he's just trying to say,
[3869.12-3892.64]
 you know, matter of fact,
[3870.14-3879.64]
... but basically also like it's harrowing it's him describing the morning of that of the bomb dropping and what his day was like what he used to be like what his life was like...
[3879.64-3882.70]
... well they used to do uh ingrained marketing into the show...
[3882.70-3883.66]
... oh that's what it was...
[3883.66-3886.56]
... so that he's just gotta like look to camera and be like Clorox...
[3886.56-3887.06]
... yeah...
[3887.06-3890.86]
... i don't know if i want to hear about Clorox right now i think they're responsible for half this...
[3890.86-3902.56]
... yeah and so they had person after person come up and then finally you saw the silhouette of a man behind a curtain who's reading something off a piece of paper and you hear him say...
[3902.56-3905.32]
... my god what have i done...
[3905.32-3909.76]
... it's Captain Robert Lewis, co-pilot of the Enola Gay...
[3909.76-3911.26]
... brings him on live camera...
[3911.26-3922.26]
... brought him out completely by surprise to shake Reverend Tanimoto's hand and tell the Reverend what his experience was when he dropped the bomb...
[3922.26-3926.70]
... i gotta tell you we were so scared up there because a lot of these planes didn't have seatbelts...
[3926.70-3930.76]
... that is scary this is fucking Hanukkah with the clan on Springer...
[3930.76-3932.76]
... it is this is horrible...
[3932.76-3934.26]
... the only way to describe it...
[3934.26-3940.66]
... so i watched it we went and watched it yeah he the look on his face because it's very similar to...
[3940.66-3950.88]
... i will put it that the pilot when he was there his he was like rubbing the back of his head and he was like he looked extraordinarily not happy to be there as well...
[3950.88-3958.88]
... haunted would be the word yes the show the state department literally the host says thanks thank you all the help to the state department making this all possible...
[3958.88-3972.88]
... and then they killed him...
[3960.28-3963.28]
...he looked very upset, very like... mournful.
[3963.28-3966.90]
 But the look on Tanimoto's face, the only way to describe it is that he looked like he was seeing a ghost.
[3966.90-3968.88]
 Like he was wide-eyed...
[3968.88-3971.08]
 like, who is this man?
[3971.08-3974.68]
 This man who killed everyone I know.
[3974.68-3980.00]
 Like, I know he was the end, he was just the end of the machine.
[3980.00-3984.64]
 Still, he was in the plane. I mean, he was like, it was like he was looking at a demon, at an Oni.
[3984.64-3986.84]
 Like it was pure abject terror.
[3986.84-3994.64]
 He looked like he just... again, awkward, like the most awkward thing I have ever seen.
[3994.64-3994.84]
 Yeah.
[3994.84-4001.34]
 I want to hear... What you're going to like here, Sirius, this is actually an autographed copy of a book I wrote about dropping the bomb.
[4001.34-4001.84]
 Yeah, it is.
[4001.84-4002.84]
 There you go.
[4002.84-4006.24]
 Wait, that was before those guys made one. He was just... he looked extremely fucked up though.
[4006.24-4012.34]
 Yeah, it sounds like an absolutely dreadful thing, but to be honest, to the producer's credit, fascinating, we're talking about it.
[4012.34-4013.34]
 Oh, it is.
[4013.34-4014.44]
 2023.
[4014.44-4019.04]
 I mean, but it also shows you that American television has always been ghoulish.
[4019.04-4020.14]
 Oh, always been like this.
[4020.14-4020.64]
 Always.
[4020.64-4021.84]
 Yes, always.
[4021.84-4027.64]
 Now, as horrendous as the Reverend Tanimoto's experiences were, both in Hiroshima and on television,
[4027.64-4034.44]
 they paled in comparison to what was experienced by those who staffed the remaining hospitals in the city.
[4034.44-4041.04]
 Out of 150 doctors in Hiroshima, 65 were killed in the initial blast, instantly.
[4041.04-4048.44]
 Out of 1,780 nurses, 1,654 were dead or too badly injured to work.
[4048.44-4070.74]
 The largest hospital that wasn't even closed.
[4050.00-4055.44]
 Completely destroyed was the Red Cross, and while six out of their thirty doctors were able to
[4055.44-4062.24]
 somewhat work with injuries, there was only one doctor who came out of the initial blast unscathed.
[4062.24-4067.36]
 That man was Terafumi Sasaki. One doctor for the entire city of Hiroshima.
[4067.36-4068.40]
 Where was he?
[4068.40-4069.76]
 He was in the hospital.
[4071.60-4076.56]
 When the bomb detonated, he was just one step beyond an open window. He was carrying
[4076.56-4081.28]
 a blood sample from a patient who had come into the hospital freaked out because he thought he had syphilis.
[4082.00-4084.08]
 Well, that's the least of your worries now.
[4085.36-4088.88]
 He just happened to be in just the right spot in the building.
[4088.88-4095.04]
 After the blast ripped through Dr. Sasaki's hospital, blood was everywhere. Medical instruments
[4095.04-4100.16]
 were all over the place. Broken glass covered the floors. A lot of the patients died when the
[4100.16-4104.40]
 ceiling fans in their rooms fell and crushed them in their beds.
[4104.40-4106.80]
 That sounds like out of a f***ing- that's a horror movie.
[4106.80-4107.68]
 Yeah, it is.
[4107.68-4113.44]
 Yeah. Dr. Sasaki, meanwhile, had only lost his glasses, but quickly replaced them with a pair
[4113.44-4116.80]
 that was far below his prescription from a critically injured nurse.
[4116.80-4120.00]
 God, this is all gonna be my new anxiety dream.
[4120.80-4121.44]
 Yeah, not being able to see.
[4121.44-4125.44]
 Not being able to see. Everybody's bleeding and dying. The city's falling apart.
[4125.44-4127.28]
 And only you can save them.
[4127.28-4129.44]
 I'm the only person who knows how veins work.
[4130.16-4133.84]
 Yeah, yeah. But then you get to wake up next to your two dogs.
[4133.84-4134.96]
 Yeah, that's nice.
[4134.96-4137.52]
 That nice. You f***ing American b***h.
[4138.48-4139.04]
 I am a-
[4139.04-4166.00]
 You get to wake-
[4140.00-4149.92]
 Dr. Sasaki then began what was a near uninterrupted three day shift trying to help the people
[4149.92-4150.92]
 of Hiroshima.
[4150.92-4155.62]
 Now, at first, Dr. Sasaki thought that the hospital had been the sole target of a bomb,
[4155.62-4160.52]
 so he got to work bandaging the thousands of injured people inside the hospital.
[4160.52-4166.62]
 But soon, thousands more began wandering through the doors, and before long, the injured and
[4166.62-4173.26]
 dying citizens filled every hallway, laboratory, staircase, driveway, courtyard.
[4173.26-4179.20]
 Eventually, a veritable sea of people filled the surrounding blocks of the hospital, all
[4179.20-4183.54]
 of whom were clinging to the faint hope that someone would come out to help.
[4183.54-4186.70]
 And to think that that was just hours before they were running from Godzilla.
[4186.70-4188.74]
 That was the only thing that's...
[4188.74-4190.26]
 Godzilla was many years later.
[4190.26-4191.76]
 Godzilla was a result of the atomic bomb.
[4191.76-4195.02]
 I can't believe you would make such a stupid, simple mistake.
[4195.02-4199.12]
 It really is actually quite pathetic, the mistake that you made.
[4199.12-4204.38]
 Everybody knows that Godzilla, along with King Kong, were probably babies at this time.
[4204.38-4207.88]
 And in no way would they even be there.
[4207.88-4215.14]
 I've been thoroughly dressed down by my co-host and I will somehow continue.
[4215.14-4221.70]
 To put it into perspective, it's estimated that 10,000 survivors made their way to Dr.
[4221.70-4226.18]
 Lucky's hospital while only 600 beds were available.
[4226.18-4229.46]
 And, remember, one doctor.
[4229.46-4252.60]
 At least with the income.
[4230.00-4234.72]
 After the increasing enormity of his task, Dr. Sasaki decided that the only thing he
[4234.72-4238.42]
 could truly do was to keep people from bleeding to death.
[4238.42-4245.28]
 He became what he described as an automation of a doctor, wiping, dabbing, bandaging, wiping,
[4245.28-4251.16]
 dabbing, bandaging, over and over again for three days straight.
[4251.16-4256.88]
 Making things worse, the floors were covered in blood, vomit, sloughed off skin...
[4256.88-4260.36]
 That would make it worse. It would totally make it worse.
[4260.36-4262.94]
 And eventually, decompositional fluids.
[4262.94-4264.76]
 It got so much worse that way.
[4264.76-4269.84]
 Remember, it's August. And it was a particularly hot August.
[4269.84-4272.68]
 People were dying in the hospital by the thousands.
[4272.68-4276.60]
 There was nowhere to take these bodies, and more importantly, there was no one to carry
[4276.60-4277.60]
 them off.
[4277.60-4282.26]
 So, the dead decomposed and liquified next to the living.
[4282.26-4288.62]
 By the end of it, Dr. Sasaki only took one hour of sleep during those first three days.
[4288.62-4293.84]
 And once he was finally forced to go home, he slept for 17 hours straight.
[4293.84-4298.04]
 You guys will all be happy to know Winston Churchill did not miss one 3pm nap.
[4298.04-4299.04]
 I know that for a fact.
[4299.04-4300.04]
 Because he needs to be rested.
[4300.04-4301.04]
 I remember that.
[4301.04-4302.04]
 He needs to be rested.
[4302.04-4303.04]
 I remember that.
[4303.04-4304.04]
 Zero rested, yeah.
[4304.04-4305.04]
 It was a nice nap room, too.
[4305.04-4306.04]
 Oh, it was really nice, yes.
[4306.04-4308.60]
 Do you think that there is... You know what's going to happen now?
[4308.60-4310.24]
 There's going to definitely be some commercial.
[4310.24-4314.70]
 We're going to go through the hospital fields of Hiroshima, and you're going to see one
[4314.70-4316.44]
 guy like half melting and stuff.
[4316.44-4317.44]
 And he's just like, hungry?
[4317.44-4318.44]
 You're going to give him a snack or something?
[4318.44-4346.88]
 You're going to give him a snack or something?
[4350.00-4353.74]
 It writes itself, Henry. It does write itself, there you go.
[4353.74-4355.20]
 God, help us all.
[4355.20-4362.36]
 It's also, I suppose you could do a marketing for nurses shoes, the non-stick, or the non-slip ones.
[4362.36-4364.60]
 Non-slip. Non-slip ones there.
[4364.60-4365.74]
 Glenn Borland.
[4365.74-4369.02]
 Yeah, what a stupid idea that was, huh?
[4369.02-4372.36]
 Now this is horror on a never-before-seen scale.
[4372.36-4374.40]
 This is brand new to the guys.
[4374.40-4377.16]
 Billions and billions and billions of years. Maybe the dinosaur sauce.
[4377.16-4381.12]
 I mean, technically, the concentration camps were this but long.
[4381.12-4383.80]
 This, but on this scale, with the...
[4383.80-4384.80]
 In one day?
[4384.80-4385.80]
 In one day, yeah.
[4385.80-4390.26]
 See, that's how America does it. We get it done. Like that. One go.
[4390.26-4394.52]
 I remember that with our last 20-year war. He went in, he went out.
[4394.52-4398.90]
 Yeah, we don't really need to get into, like, what's worse.
[4398.90-4400.42]
 You know, the bombing of Hiroshima.
[4400.42-4402.14]
 No, no, no.
[4402.14-4405.62]
 I'm just saying is that we'd never, humanity had never seen this.
[4405.62-4408.08]
 I do think that's the spinning wheel from hell, though.
[4408.08-4436.80]
 You get transported to, like, Holocaust.
[4410.52-4412.54]
 Hiroshima, Nagasaki...
[4412.54-4419.80]
 Having to watch Steve Harvey's final set, I don't know what it is, but it does seem like just horrible.
[4419.80-4420.84]
 Got him!
[4420.84-4424.04]
 There we go. I was trying to come up with a little bit of a joke there.
[4424.04-4426.80]
 Yeah, and Yzlania landed on Steve Harvey.
[4426.80-4428.64]
 I did, technically it was a joke.
[4428.64-4429.24]
 It's in there.
[4429.24-4429.74]
 Yeah.
[4430.74-4439.22]
 Now one would think that the people in charge would at least have the presence of mind to treat the destruction of a city using the hellish power of the sun with some solemnity.
[4439.22-4444.36]
 You know, even if they are vaporized instantly, you still just killed 80,000 people.
[4444.36-4450.66]
 At the very least, you'd think they could keep their jubilation restrained, because after all, they believe that the war is now over.
[4450.66-4452.94]
 A very long, four-year war is over.
[4452.94-4464.96]
 Instead, when Truman told the crew of the ship taking him back to America after the Potsdam Conference, that the atomic bomb had destroyed the city of Hiroshima, he was met with a resounding cheer and thunderous applause!
[4464.96-4468.56]
 Again, far away from it, thousands of miles away from it.
[4468.56-4478.00]
 You have been watching all of this American ingenuity, talking about how we've spent this long to end this war, and then you've been fed this line that this is the way to do it.
[4478.00-4480.16]
 This is actually the humane way to do it.
[4480.16-4480.96]
 You don't really know.
[4480.96-4491.84]
 And then on Truman's part, I will vaguely say he made a ghoulish decision, but he was still not happy.
[4491.84-4493.20]
 Okay.
[4493.20-4493.72]
 There's that.
[4493.72-4497.16]
 He at least was—it was very complicated for him.
[4497.16-4497.86]
 Yes, it was.
[4497.86-4500.08]
 I guarantee you they did the hip-hip hooray.
[4500.00-4504.80]
 Oh definitely! Because we won! We knew in that moment that we had won the war but...
[4504.80-4506.92]
 But Henry, what did we win?
[4506.92-4508.80]
 It's not good for nothing, that's for certain.
[4508.80-4513.26]
 Yeah, well one thing that he could have done is that, I mean, well the thing is that he
[4513.26-4517.64]
 set the tone. Truman set the tone for everybody else and the press set the tone and the tone
[4517.64-4518.82]
 was one of jubilation.
[4518.82-4519.82]
 Yeah.
[4519.82-4525.10]
 And that of course informed the way that America thought of the atomic bomb from then on. The
[4525.10-4529.00]
 next day, the White House released a press statement to the world revealing that we dropped
[4529.00-4533.60]
 the biggest bomb in history on the city of Hiroshima, although the statement made a point
[4533.60-4539.72]
 to call Hiroshima a quote-unquote important army base. They didn't call it a city.
[4539.72-4540.72]
 No.
[4540.72-4544.30]
 Furthermore, the onus for the dropping of the bomb was placed on Japan for bombing Pearl
[4544.30-4545.30]
 Harbour.
[4545.30-4546.30]
 Yeah.
[4546.30-4550.36]
 Because as I said in the first episode, America tends to excel at the act of overcorrecting
[4550.36-4554.64]
 than telling the civilians they kill in the process that you made us do this.
[4554.64-4560.78]
 Yeah, it's like that stupid slap competition, but with like a little person who slaps like
[4560.78-4562.68]
 frickin' Andre the Giant or something.
[4562.68-4563.68]
 Yeah, because that was the thing.
[4563.68-4566.06]
 And then he's like, Andre's like, I'm going to have to slap you back. And it's like one
[4566.06-4567.06]
 is bigger than another.
[4567.06-4569.90]
 Yeah, you don't have to slap him back, Andre.
[4569.90-4570.90]
 Unslap you do.
[4570.90-4571.90]
 Unslap you do.
[4571.90-4574.00]
 Literally the name of the show is slap.
[4574.00-4576.06]
 Which is the dumbest goddamn thing of all time.
[4576.06-4579.76]
 We know that Pearl Harbour happened because, you know, FDR got the call that it was going
[4579.76-4582.74]
 to happen right before he was doing his hurdles practice.
[4582.74-4584.50]
 Oh, you know what, that's interesting.
[4584.50-4589.94]
 And that's why it went out of his mind. So it's like he was like, oh, yeah, that's right.
[4589.94-4618.54]
 You know what.
[4590.00-4607.62]
 It's
[4620.00-4648.76]
 time
[4678.76-4680.26]
 for...
[4680.00-4685.24]
 Yeah there was! There was a number three, a number four, all the way up to probably number seven.
[4685.24-4687.12]
 There were a lot of different fucking options.
[4687.12-4694.50]
 Yeah we said that we definitely had... because then you know, we're following it up immediately and at this point we're telling them you know,
[4694.50-4698.00]
 now that we know the one works, we can make seven of these a day.
[4698.00-4706.00]
 Now even a day later, the Japanese government wasn't entirely in agreement that an atomic bomb had in fact been dropped on Hiroshima.
[4706.00-4713.00]
 From what they thought, the Americans, they're fucking crazy, but they're not crazy enough to bring such an unstable weapon across the Pacific.
[4713.00-4714.00]
 They would never do that!
[4714.00-4715.00]
 They would never do that.
[4715.00-4722.00]
 And they would never bring it on a boat that would then crash and then everybody in that boat would then be fucking raped to death or fucking eaten by sharks.
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 U.S. Indianapolis!
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 Yeah!
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 Yeah!
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 U.S.S. Indianapolis!
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 But that's the thing is that they were only partly right on that because we didn't fully assemble the bomb until right before the bomb bay doors opened.
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 We brought the uranium and the plutonium across the water.
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 Right, right right.
[4737.00-4744.00]
 Showing further arrogance, Japan refused to acknowledge that America was advanced enough to actually build an atomic bomb,
[4744.00-4751.00]
 which again shows that even at the end of the fucking war, the Japanese government still completely misunderstood America.
[4751.00-4757.00]
 They misunderstood our ingenuity, our capacity for vengeance, our near unlimited resources.
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 They just didn't fucking get it.
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 Hey man, British local yokels can do a lot when they're left to their own devices.
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 I also feel they believed in the power of the empire.
[4764.00-4793.00]
 They were, again, supernova in the east really shows a little bit more about that mentality.
[4770.32-4775.68]
 Yeah, that there was that they really did believe that they that no one could beat them
[4775.84-4780.04]
 Yeah, but you know, so this can't be real because that would mean that they have unequivocally
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 Squashed us. I totally understand. It's a shock. But it's a shock. But at this point within the Japanese government
[4787.42-4791.86]
 There is a huge tug-of-war going on between the people who do believe that yes
[4791.86-4797.00]
 And the reasonable human beings who are like we must figure this shit out right now
[4797.00-4800.44]
 Yeah, they're just saying like hey, we were beat six months ago
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 Yeah, you need to fucking do this shit like that. We you need to enter the real world. The Emperor is not a god
[4805.78-4813.20]
 Yeah, and that's why here on MTV's real world. We've brought together a series of different people from
[4813.20-4824.66]
 Let me go Nagasaki and Hiroshima and we brought the troops that dropped the bomb seven strangers live in a house
[4826.62-4833.02]
 Are they able to make a silkscreen t-shirt business work on Venice Beach we'll figure it out. You killed my family
[4833.22-4836.96]
 Yeah, you guys you got you eyes all okay. Good. Welcome to house guys
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 You got all you a job at the International House of slothing
[4839.70-4846.44]
 I thought one of the grossest things that that they the the Tom did was eat his peanut butter with his fingers cuz
[4846.44-4876.44]
 That's the nice thing about wearing many hats yeah put that one on
[4860.00-4870.80]
 But after sending out their navy and army to investigate the ruins of Hiroshima, there was no doubt whatsoever that the United States had perfected the atomic bomb and had used it on the people of Japan.
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 They could not argue it.
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 And we haven't even perfected it then, yet.
[4873.72-4879.74]
 And so did the modern age begin! Yes!
[4879.74-4886.44]
 The very next day, that conclusion was confirmed worldwide when the atomic bomb, and by extension, The Manhattan Project,
[4886.44-4890.40]
 was announced to the world on no less than the front page of the New York Times.
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 The headline read,
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 First atomic bomb dropped on Japan. Missile is equal to 20,000 tons of TNT. Truman warns foe of rain of ruin.
[4900.00-4903.40]
 Wow, there ya go. Good, unbiased reporting.
[4903.40-4908.70]
 Yep. In the ensuing story, the Times spilled the guts of the entire Manhattan Project.
[4908.70-4911.30]
 They identified General Leslie Groves as the head...
[4911.30-4913.70]
 And we got Leslie Groves, give it up!
[4913.70-4917.34]
 I'm assuming Groves... The Saturday Night Live like that...
[4917.34-4921.46]
 Leslie Groves... Richard Feynman!
[4921.46-4923.20]
 I'm the goofy one.
[4923.20-4925.70]
 I wonder if he liked that, because he was a pretty quiet guy.
[4925.70-4928.94]
 No, they wanted the credit, man. They did want the credit.
[4928.94-4931.70]
 So they were the ones giving all the info to the New York Times.
[4931.70-4933.90]
 Well, I mean, they just had a statement ready to go.
[4933.90-4939.10]
 You know, like, this is straight from the government saying, telling the New York Times, like,
[4939.10-4942.14]
 tell everybody in the fucking world what we just accomplished,
[4942.14-4943.80]
 because it's fucking awesome.
[4943.80-4947.10]
 And we spent a fuck ton of money and we just killed 100,000 people.
[4947.10-4975.16]
 I think there's a lot of it, because now it's the rush of the...
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 We must prove that we are still the good guys.
[4953.00-4954.00]
 Yes, exactly.
[4954.00-4957.00]
 It is, what is unique is we dropped a bomb and it was still like,
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 we better get this to the printing press right now.
[4959.00-4963.00]
 Literally, right, the American PR machine kicked in.
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 But also it's old tech meets the new world, in real time.
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 Yes, modern age begins.
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 Yes, true.
[4969.00-4970.00]
 It's very strange how it did.
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 Yeah, they put Oppenheimer up as the hero, the brains behind the bomb, they revealed...
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 Yeah, I did a lot but I'm still sad about it.
[4979.00-4982.00]
 Where's my communist girlfriend?
[4982.00-4983.00]
 It's okay, Oppenheimer.
[4983.00-4986.00]
 They revealed the cities of Hanford, Oak Ridge, Los Alamos,
[4986.00-4988.00]
 these locations that have been kept top secret.
[4988.00-4989.00]
 Wow.
[4989.00-4991.00]
 Like, they laid the entire thing out.
[4991.00-4994.00]
 However, the story was not a full blowjob.
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 This is back when reporters did things.
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 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[4997.00-5001.00]
 And there were certainly quite a few Americans, both public and private,
[5001.00-5008.00]
 who saw the terror of the atomic bomb for what it was before even hearing about what really went down in Hiroshima.
[5008.00-5012.00]
 In the New York Times article, after they outlined the Trinity test,
[5012.00-5020.00]
 they asked whether the bomb might be either the salvation of mankind or the Frankenstein's monster of the world.
[5020.00-5023.00]
 Was this like here where they're asked like, Umphrey Bogart that, and he's just like,
[5023.00-5026.00]
 I only know about slapping women and smoking.
[5026.00-5027.00]
 Yes.
[5027.00-5030.00]
 But did it not also lead to the Hot Pocket?
[5030.00-5037.00]
 The micro, I believe the microwave might be a different, you know what, I don't,
[5037.00-5039.00]
 We don't know, we don't know, we'll never know.
[5039.00-5060.00]
 It sounds wrong.
[5040.00-5042.64]
 But I don't know enough about microwaves to dispute you.
[5042.64-5043.64]
 That's the key.
[5043.64-5045.16]
 I'm called the grey area of knowledge.
[5045.16-5046.16]
 Yes indeed.
[5046.16-5047.16]
 Just living it, loving it.
[5047.16-5048.16]
 Both of those things are true though.
[5048.16-5049.16]
 Both of those.
[5049.16-5050.92]
 Yeah, the Frankenstein's monster of the world.
[5050.92-5051.92]
 It's all real.
[5051.92-5053.16]
 Because you remember part of this is all false.
[5053.16-5054.30]
 I would say it's the salvation of mankind though.
[5054.30-5057.94]
 Well, no, what the scientists were saying, which is the truth, which is like we could
[5057.94-5061.62]
 have first used this as a nuclear reactor and made free energy.
[5061.62-5066.16]
 And we could have like made energy that could have fed the world in a mass quantity if we
[5066.16-5067.16]
 wanted to.
[5067.16-5068.16]
 We still will.
[5068.16-5071.44]
 We will end up doing that because I think people are going to realize electric is very
[5071.44-5072.44]
 difficult as well.
[5072.44-5074.36]
 I hope we do it on a goddamn moon.
[5074.36-5077.22]
 Nuclear reactors on a goddamn moon.
[5077.22-5081.80]
 And then you bring the energy cells back and forth, like it's fucking, um, what's the game
[5081.80-5083.24]
 that KB used to play?
[5083.24-5084.24]
 Starcraft?
[5084.24-5085.24]
 Yes.
[5085.24-5086.24]
 Oh, that would be fun.
[5086.24-5087.24]
 Yeah, that would be super fun.
[5087.24-5088.24]
 Yeah.
[5088.24-5090.18]
 Cause then we could just fill the moon with all the nuclear waste.
[5090.18-5091.18]
 Easy.
[5091.18-5095.32]
 No, we take the nuclear waste and we shoot it away from the moon out into space.
[5095.32-5097.20]
 I feel like that's going to backfire on us though.
[5097.20-5098.20]
 No way.
[5098.20-5100.24]
 I've never seen countless movies.
[5100.24-5101.24]
 No way.
[5101.24-5103.00]
 I've read countless books that have said the exact same subject.
[5103.00-5104.68]
 We're going to put it in one of those black holes.
[5104.68-5105.68]
 They're saying there's a hum.
[5105.68-5107.64]
 It's coming from two black holes.
[5107.64-5108.64]
 No, think about it.
[5108.64-5109.64]
 We shoot into a black hole.
[5109.64-5110.64]
 Yeah, perfect.
[5110.64-5111.64]
 That's fun.
[5111.64-5112.76]
 There's no way that's going to pop out somewhere else.
[5112.76-5113.76]
 No, not at all.
[5113.76-5117.16]
 It has led truly to some peace.
[5117.16-5118.36]
 Uh, no.
[5118.36-5119.60]
 It just led to proxy wars.
[5119.60-5122.96]
 No, but Israel and Iran would have killed each other.
[5122.96-5125.04]
 Proxy wars are peaceful because they're not wars.
[5125.04-5127.38]
 Yeah, they're proxy wars.
[5127.38-5128.38]
 Yeah.
[5128.38-5129.38]
 Yeah.
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 And we're not, and it's not yet.
[5130.00-5133.60]
 thing it totally ended any and all land wars in Europe. We haven't had one of those.
[5133.60-5138.48]
 Roxy wars are essentially the vaping to the real wars of smoking cigarettes.
[5138.48-5141.04]
 Yeah basically. It's all the same.
[5141.04-5143.92]
 Yeah but yeah, lamb wars in Europe we don't have those.
[5143.92-5148.72]
 I would say the US and Russia, Soviet Union and the US would have had a land war without them.
[5150.00-5150.72]
 Without a doubt.
[5150.72-5151.84]
 Technically would have probably been...
[5153.92-5157.04]
 I don't know. That's when you said in Guy Fieri.
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 Oh he saves the day.
[5158.24-5160.64]
 He's the one who brings up brings them.
[5160.64-5162.08]
 They don't have chicken and waffles.
[5163.20-5166.56]
 Didn't Metallica say, to secure peace, you have to prepare for war.
[5167.28-5168.40]
 That is what Metallica said.
[5168.40-5170.48]
 That was about group therapy.
[5170.48-5171.20]
 Oh my god.
[5171.20-5172.32]
 That was about him and Wars.
[5172.32-5174.00]
 I just wish that they were different people.
[5174.00-5174.64]
 We know.
[5174.64-5177.28]
 Now even before Little Boy was dropped on Hiroshima,
[5177.28-5181.44]
 the military had decided without President Truman's consent
[5181.44-5184.88]
 that the Fat Man plutonium bomb would be dropped on another city
[5184.88-5188.32]
 if the Japanese didn't immediately respond with an unconditional surrender.
[5188.32-5191.52]
 The way the military saw it, they'd been handed a new weapon.
[5191.52-5193.12]
 And this new weapon is just like any other.
[5193.12-5196.48]
 Do I fucking call up the president when I want to drop another bomb?
[5196.48-5197.20]
 No I don't.
[5197.20-5198.96]
 Why am I going to consult him on this?
[5198.96-5199.92]
 Because it did.
[5199.92-5202.72]
 I was reading about this because I was talking about it with Eddie
[5202.72-5205.04]
 and he was like, who ordered the second bombing?
[5205.04-5210.72]
 And I realized like there was just a caveat in his order to release the first bomb
[5210.72-5215.20]
 that like essentially if you don't immediately surrender we're just going to keep doing it.
[5215.20-5218.64]
 And so everyone just went like, well we got permission.
[5218.64-5242.56]
 Right, so do it as many times.
[5220.24-5227.54]
 Now, in a lame attempt to prevent the loss of more innocent life, the US War Office dropped millions of leaflets all over Japan
[5227.80-5234.12]
 telling them that America was in possession of the most destructive weapon ever devised by man, and that they should take steps to cease
[5234.38-5235.44]
 military resistance.
[5235.44-5240.58]
 So this is like an alcoholic father going out but before he goes I'd be like, just so you know, you better be in bed before
[5240.58-5242.58]
 you get home. I'm coming home drunk as shit.
[5242.58-5246.58]
 Honestly, I would appreciate it to come home drunk.
[5246.58-5248.58]
 Yeah, it's a little heads up. I'm gonna be really abusive tonight.
[5248.58-5255.08]
 The problem with this though, is that by Japanese law, citizens weren't allowed to read or discuss leaflets dropped from the sky.
[5255.08-5261.58]
 And they faced arrest, serious penalties, if they didn't immediately hand these leaflets over to local police.
[5261.58-5269.58]
 And so on August 8th, just two days after Hiroshima, the Fat Man Bomb was fully assembled with its plutonium core
[5269.58-5276.08]
 and was thereafter loaded into a far less famous B-29 called Boxcar at around 10pm.
[5276.08-5284.08]
 Now I found a little article that was talking about the bombing of Nagasaki and there was this little thing that felt like so...
[5284.08-5291.08]
 I mean Dan Carlin-y in its like irony and then how it portrays itself to the rest of American history,
[5291.08-5294.58]
 which was on the front of the Nagasaki bomb, on Fat Boy.
[5294.58-5298.58]
 What they did was they wrote an acronym on it. So everybody signs the bomb.
[5298.58-5300.08]
 So when everybody puts together...
[5300.08-5306.58]
 They all did like cheeky things. You know like, here's to you. A second kiss for Hirohito. Like, weird, like cheeky.
[5306.58-5330.58]
 But on the nose, they had an acronym, JankFu.
[5310.00-5316.12]
 which stood for joint army-navy-civilian fuck-up, which is on the front of this thing.
[5316.12-5316.62]
 Ok.
[5316.62-5323.82]
 And it's interesting because it seems that that's kind of how we would treat the world from then on.
[5323.82-5328.94]
 You know, like this idea of we spread it around everywhere now.
[5328.94-5337.04]
 Don't worry. Now this is like with this little thing, this fat boy thing, it's a symbol for our foreign policy from then on.
[5337.04-5340.14]
 This definitely the era of interventionalism has begun.
[5340.14-5342.48]
 Don't you make us fuck you up.
[5342.48-5342.98]
 Yeah.
[5342.98-5350.72]
 Well at the very same time that Fatman was being loaded into Boxcar's bombbay, the Soviet Union, still an uneasy ally of America,
[5350.72-5356.64]
 they declared war on Japan and invaded the Japanese-controlled region of China known as Manchuria.
[5356.64-5363.94]
 The Soviets, however, had their own motives for invading, which came more into focus during the Korean War, but we're not going to get into that.
[5363.94-5369.22]
 You should cover that. That was my grandfather's war. I also found out my American grandfather's.
[5369.22-5375.44]
 Yeah. The Korean War is extraordinarily complicated. I've been learning about it recently and there's a lot of ins and outs on that one.
[5375.44-5377.86]
 You'll love it. You'll like to do that research.
[5377.86-5378.80]
 You'll like it.
[5378.80-5387.34]
 But regardless of the future, Japan was well and truly fucked from all sides and they knew it, although they were still dragging their feet towards surrender,
[5387.34-5395.92]
 but because they didn't hop to it, another one of their cities would fall victim to the atomic bomb. That was the city of Nagasaki.
[5395.92-5418.72]
 Now, one of the first things that we noticed upon starting research for this series was that there is a lot more to this than just the atomic bomb.
[5400.00-5402.06]
 Part of the reason I chose to bring up this series was that while there are hundreds of
[5402.06-5407.48]
 resources concerning the bombing of Hiroshima, Nagasaki is treated almost as a footnote.
[5407.48-5417.38]
 Well, partly, I think this is due to the fact that it's more of the same.
[5417.38-5420.06]
 Sloughing, swelling, scorching.
[5420.06-5424.76]
 But I also think it's a little more complicated than that, and the reasons are both Japanese
[5424.76-5426.42]
 and American.
[5426.42-5431.36]
 First of all, while the Nagasaki death toll is still incredibly high, the bombing itself
[5431.36-5435.86]
 was nowhere near as smooth and successful as the so-called perfect bombing of Hiroshima.
[5435.86-5437.20]
 That's a big one.
[5437.20-5441.16]
 And that's the American thing of we don't want anybody really see this kind of a series
[5441.16-5443.96]
 of goof-em-ups that led to the Nagasaki bombing.
[5443.96-5449.02]
 Because, again, the Hiroshima bombing was like, these boys are doing the job and then
[5449.02-5450.02]
 nailed it.
[5450.02-5451.44]
 Everybody, they ain't crushed it.
[5451.44-5453.40]
 Meanwhile, this one's like, they had a lot of fuck-ups.
[5453.40-5457.76]
 It's like the curse of everyone that's done standup comedy for 30 years, because the first
[5457.76-5459.32]
 set they really did well.
[5459.32-5460.32]
 Oh yeah, that's right.
[5460.32-5462.66]
 And then the next 29 and a half years, it's just miserable.
[5462.66-5465.48]
 But they all get back on that stage and they love it.
[5465.48-5468.58]
 Now, Nagasaki wasn't the first choice for the second bomb.
[5468.58-5473.92]
 In fact, Nagasaki was the fourth choice, considered so lightly that in the list for potential
[5473.92-5479.88]
 targets for a second bomb, someone had written, and Nagasaki, in the margins the day before
[5479.88-5481.66]
 the nuclear strike was finalized.
[5481.66-5483.96]
 That's how I was picked for the baseball team.
[5483.96-5485.40]
 Oh, and Zabrowski.
[5485.40-5513.16]
 Now, Nagasaki had already been bombed five times prior to August of 19.
[5490.80-5504.80]
 It was bombed so often, in fact, that one student remembered that he'd been taught to plug his ears with his thumbs and cover his eyes with his fingers because a bomb's concussive force might burst his eardrums and pop his eyeballs out of his skull.
[5507.00-5517.20]
 But because Nagasaki had already been bombed, it was not considered a high-priority target for showing the bomb's full destructive force, because remember that was the whole fuckin' point.
[5517.20-5526.20]
 Now the people of Nagasaki, as well as the rest of Japan, they'd kinda sorta been told on August 8th what had happened in Hiroshima on August 7th.
[5526.20-5530.80]
 This announcement, however, was like none ever released by the Japanese government.
[5530.80-5536.60]
 While past releases might admit a defeat, those defeats were always soft-pedaled.
[5536.60-5541.00]
 There were still plenty of people in Japan at this point that thought that Japan was winning the war.
[5541.00-5549.20]
 With Hiroshima, though, the Japanese government admitted that, quote-unquote, considerable damage had been perpetrated by a new weapon.
[5549.20-5555.40]
 And considerable damage was far more than any admission the Japanese government had made up till this point.
[5555.40-5558.20]
 It's always the people, it's always the people that suffer.
[5558.20-5559.00]
 Oh, yeah.
[5559.00-5561.00]
 My God, just stop this.
[5561.00-5569.40]
 Additionally, a well-respected figure in Nagasaki's medical establishment had passed through Hiroshima after the bombing on his way home from Tokyo.
[5569.40-5578.00]
 Immediately upon returning to Nagasaki, this man got on the radio and told everyone about the burned bodies, the fire, the flash, everything.
[5578.00-5579.60]
 And he also said,
[5579.60-5602.80]
 No.
[5580.00-5585.64]
 No air raid shelter is going to protect you from this. We need to leave. As a result,
[5585.64-5590.82]
 the local government ordered a meeting the next morning to discuss how they might be
[5590.82-5595.40]
 able to handle a city-wide evacuation. Because that's no small feat. You can't just snap
[5595.40-5601.78]
 your fingers and say go. But tragically, while that meeting was being planned, Fat Man was
[5601.78-5603.76]
 already on its way.
[5603.76-5604.96]
 Just huffing and puffing.
[5604.96-5609.12]
 No, see, you know, if you're a restauranteur, you're really happy.
[5609.12-5610.12]
 Yeah, why?
[5610.12-5611.12]
 That was actually—
[5611.12-5613.12]
 I mean, the real Fat Man was coming to your restaurant.
[5613.12-5614.12]
 The real Fat Man was coming to your restaurant.
[5614.12-5616.44]
 When you and me, Eddie, and Kissel roll up.
[5616.44-5619.00]
 Oh, I know, it's about to be a $300—
[5619.00-5620.00]
 Oh, yeah!
[5620.00-5622.68]
 And you find out we'll have to heat light because we're forced to by a doctor.
[5622.68-5623.68]
 Yeah, that's true.
[5623.68-5625.04]
 No, no, what's going on with all that?
[5625.04-5626.04]
 Nope.
[5626.04-5627.68]
 God, these doctors are ruining our lives.
[5627.68-5631.42]
 They say we're fucking—they just sit there with their stethoscope on and fucking—
[5631.42-5632.42]
 Stethoscope, whatever.
[5632.42-5634.48]
 You tell me what?
[5634.48-5637.36]
 They shouldn't have put that mustache on it, though.
[5637.36-5638.36]
 On the bomb.
[5638.36-5639.36]
 On the bomb, yeah.
[5639.36-5640.36]
 No.
[5640.36-5641.36]
 No.
[5641.36-5642.36]
 In another tragedy—
[5642.36-5643.36]
 Named it the Wilford Brimley.
[5643.36-5644.36]
 Wilford Bromley?
[5644.36-5645.36]
 What?
[5645.36-5646.36]
 Wilford Bromley.
[5646.36-5647.36]
 Because it's got a big mustache.
[5647.36-5648.36]
 He's Fat Boy.
[5648.36-5649.36]
 I don't know.
[5649.36-5650.36]
 Fat Man.
[5650.36-5651.36]
 Big Fat Man.
[5651.36-5652.36]
 Diabetes?
[5652.36-5653.36]
 You have a t-shirt with him on it.
[5653.36-5654.36]
 Wilford Brimley just lived poorly.
[5654.36-5655.36]
 Yeah, he just lived poorly.
[5655.36-5656.36]
 I don't want to call him fat.
[5656.36-5657.36]
 He is a fat man.
[5657.36-5658.36]
 What are you talking about?
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 He was the face of diabetes.
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 He was character active.
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 We're not even doing an out—oh, you know what?
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 I'm getting into my Arnie zone.
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 I'm getting into my Arnie zone.
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 I'm getting into my Arnie zone.
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 Okay.
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 In another tragedy, because of inorganization within the Air Force, the leaflets informing
[5699.52-5712.68]
 the people of Nagasaki about the impending bomb, the leaflets fell with the bomb. Additionally,
[5712.68-5718.04]
 in the pre-bomb tragedy realm, nine residents of Nagasaki who had survived the bombing of
[5718.04-5733.28]
 Hiroshima had actually made their way back to Nagasaki before the second bomb fell. One
[5733.28-5738.36]
 man in particular had dug through the ruins of his Hiroshima home to retrieve the bones
[5738.36-5745.00]
 of his wife, and he was walking through the streets of Nagasaki, carrying his wife's remains
[5745.00-5760.04]
 in a washbasin so he could give the remains to her parents when Fatman detonated.
[5760.00-5767.86]
...and was a more powerful bomb, Little Boy killed twice the number of people, and the destruction radius had been three times as large.
[5767.86-5776.98]
 This was because the hill surrounding Nagasaki absorbed the brunt of the bomb's blast, resulting in 40,000 instant deaths instead of 80,000.
[5776.98-5780.44]
 That was another reason why Nagasaki was a poor target. They knew that was going to happen.
[5780.44-5782.04]
 And it had already been bombed a bunch.
[5782.04-5782.54]
 Yeah.
[5782.54-5788.34]
 And they'd already like, it was kind of all jacked up, and we'll also see there was like also actual physical problems.
[5788.34-5790.68]
 Yeah, the entire operation had been troubled from the start.
[5790.68-5796.00]
 The original target had been the city of Kokura, which was a site of a massive Imperial Army arsenal.
[5796.00-5800.50]
 Bad weather and miscommunication, however, dogged the crew of Boxcar at every turn.
[5800.50-5803.84]
 As well as equipment fuck-ups, there was fuel pump problems.
[5803.84-5814.10]
 Well, apparently I also heard that they got so used to air raids that one thing that they would do, one defensive maneuver, is that the factories would pump out steam, and they would do a cover.
[5814.10-5822.72]
 Like so, they said when they got to Kokura, there was a cover, and there's like kind of talk about whether it was weather or whether or not they literally had like hid themselves.
[5822.72-5826.02]
 Some of the guys who worked at the factory claimed that's what they did.
[5826.02-5826.52]
 I don't know.
[5826.52-5830.30]
 Yeah, the government should have given them the contract to make that plane to Ocean Gate.
[5831.64-5832.14]
 Current!
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 Ocean Gate.
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 Current!
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 Current!
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 Pun.
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 I don't, I don't understand.
[5836.80-5841.04]
 This is why Marcus, you are so unbelievably in history's asshole.
[5841.04-5844.58]
 He's just saying, this is the strangest part where I do shine.
[5844.58-5873.18]
 The submarine that collapsed, he is equating the problems of the B-29 delivery.
[5850.00-5854.84]
 Boxcar. Delivering it to the problems of the Ocean Gate submarine.
[5854.84-5861.12]
 It's called Titan. Ocean Gates, the company, see he's doing the thing like where I always
[5861.12-5867.70]
 say anything's like a Coca-Cola. It's very Midwest. I thought there was like a political
[5867.70-5872.72]
 scandal involving the ocean and you were calling it Ocean Gate. See, that would be interesting.
[5872.72-5878.02]
 That's a whole other episode. About the corruption in the sponge world. Marcus, why don't you
[5878.02-5885.94]
 just give me the script. I'll take over from there. Well, Boxcar was on its way to the
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 city of Kukura, but they had to land on the small island of Yakushima to wait for its
[5890.90-5899.42]
 observation plane. Call sign Big Stink. Yeah, I got that big stinky plane. Oh, you need
[5899.42-5906.12]
 a big stinky plane? That's what I got. I rub shit on it. Yeah, Big Stink. He didn't like
[5906.12-5911.76]
 the name. The pilot of Big Stink, however, was of a superior rank to Boxcar's pilot.
[5911.76-5917.60]
 So after getting indignant over an order that he didn't agree with, Big Stink just refused
[5917.60-5924.62]
 to show up. So Big Stink made a big stink. That's what we call you, Big Stink. Yeah,
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 I knew you were making a big stink again. Therefore, while Boxcar was waiting to take
[5929.68-5936.06]
 off, bad weather closed in over Kokura and Boxcar burned a lot of fuel circling the city
[5936.06-5940.06]
 waiting for a window in the clouds. Additionally, Japanese fighter planes.
[5940.00-5944.66]
 As planes were climbing towards Boxcar, an anti-aircraft fire from the ground was getting
[5944.66-5949.14]
 heavy, so it was on to the next target. Nagasaki.
[5949.14-5953.20]
 And Nagasaki, of course, remember, it was fourth on the list. Nagasaki was where they
[5953.20-5957.16]
 could get to with as much fuel, because they had to do calculations. We have to have enough
[5957.16-5961.44]
 fuel to get to Nagasaki and then from Nagasaki back to base.
[5961.44-5965.40]
 They said they had the Bomber's Journal. And he wrote on thing, he's been like, closing
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 in on two hours of fuel. I wonder if the Pacific will be cold.
[5970.08-5972.80]
 Yeah, these guys did not think they were gonna make it back.
[5972.80-5975.96]
 They need Sully Sulliver up there. They really did.
[5975.96-5981.36]
 Nagasaki, however, was also covered in clouds, but Boxcar didn't have enough fuel to return
[5981.36-5985.28]
 to base with a 9000 pound bomb aboard. They had to drop it somewhere.
[5985.28-5991.52]
 It's all so human, isn't it? The fat man was safer to drop wild than the
[5991.52-5996.72]
 little boy was. So they had a plan to ditch the fat man, which is literally drop it in
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 the fucking ocean. But just as the pilot decided to just drop
[6000.32-6007.00]
 fat man via radar on Nagasaki and come what may, the clouds broke and bombardier Captain
[6007.00-6011.10]
 Kermit Beehan let her rip. Names used to be names.
[6011.10-6016.20]
 They really did. Kermit. Old Kerby there. You Know, Teddy Roosevelt had a son named
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 Kermit. He got killed in World War One. Isn't that something?
[6019.20-6021.84]
 Yeah. Yeah. And Teddy was very happy about that.
[6021.84-6024.90]
 He got set on fire because he was completely made of felt.
[6024.90-6028.90]
 Oh, isn't that too bad? He was extraordinarily broken over the death
[6028.90-6051.38]
 of his son. And he was like.
[6030.00-6058.42]
 Well, the boxcar crew were three quarters of a mile off target, and that actually saved
[6058.42-6063.94]
 tens of thousands of lives. But again, 40,000 died in an instant and a lot of the same shit
[6063.94-6069.36]
 that happened in Hiroshima happened in Nagasaki, just not quite as bad. But they're horrible.
[6069.36-6074.94]
 Horrible, yeah. If the big boy there was the only bomb dropped, people would think it was
[6074.94-6078.94]
 horrible. We would be doing what we just did for Hiroshima. We would be doing that. Yeah.
[6078.94-6085.54]
 But boxcar made it back to Tinian. They landed with less than a minute's worth of fuel. Like
[6085.54-6089.38]
 if they would have been up there for a minute longer, they would have crashed. That reminds
[6089.38-6095.58]
 me of Crash Bandicoot. Yeah. Does it? It's very time-based. Those time-based games are
[6095.58-6099.38]
 stressful. No, they are very. I hate time-based games. Yeah. But boxcar, when they landed,
[6099.38-6105.10]
 they found absolutely no fanfare as opposed to the hero's welcome experience by the crew
[6105.10-6112.26]
 of the Enola Gay. Basically, the news of the Hiroshima bombing made the whole world both
[6112.26-6117.90]
 the, we as we celebrated, but immediately the whole world was like, oh yeah, exactly.
[6117.90-6143.22]
 Fuck. And so it...
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 Was at first, we couldn't party too hard because now we have to show this the unbearable responsibility of these weapons.
[6128.00-6130.00]
 But it took a day for that to change.
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 Right.
[6131.00-6138.00]
 But now they're like, when they showed up, immediately it was just like, OK, well, you know, great, good work guys.
[6138.00-6143.00]
 Let's get back, because Truman was not happy that he when he found out, I guess, from the news.
[6143.00-6146.00]
 It really is a pretty big operation not to tell the president about.
[6146.00-6151.00]
 I mean, it was a half-assed job. That might partly be the reason why America doesn't talk about it a lot.
[6151.00-6158.00]
 And it's an embarrassment because President Truman did not order this, nor was he even aware of the bombing until after it happened.
[6158.00-6163.00]
 It was at this point that we put in the rule that says presidents have to authorize nuclear strikes.
[6163.00-6166.00]
 Isn't that funny now how the presidents just go to war without Congress?
[6166.00-6168.00]
 Yeah, they can. And we figure that out. Yeah.
[6168.00-6169.00]
 Yeah, they just do it. They chose to.
[6169.00-6171.00]
 They really, yeah, they figure that out.
[6171.00-6176.00]
 But even so preparations were being taken on the island of Tinian for more nuclear strike.
[6176.00-6183.00]
 And the scientists at Los Alamos were hard at work producing another plutonium bomb that would be done by the end of August.
[6183.00-6190.00]
 In fact, it's believed that the only reason why Japan escaped a third atomic bomb was because we'd already dropped all the bombs we had.
[6190.00-6192.00]
 Yeah, we may. We dropped the fix, the full finished ones.
[6192.00-6194.00]
 Yeah, no, we dropped the full finished ones.
[6194.00-6200.00]
 Even more ghoulish was the gung ho spirit of Paul Tibbets, who had been the pilot that dropped the bomb on Hiroshima.
[6200.00-6202.00]
 He had volunteered to drop the next bomb.
[6202.00-6203.00]
 Let me do it.
[6203.00-6204.00]
 And the next.
[6204.00-6205.00]
 He wants another model.
[6205.00-6233.00]
 Next, he was prepared to drop as many bombs on Japan as it took to get them to surrender.
[6210.00-6216.08]
 There might be a couple of different nuances when he speaks that aren't currently allowed.
[6216.08-6222.96]
 Yeah, I could see him being kind of bleeped.
[6222.96-6227.40]
 Yeah, now dropping a bunch of bombs on Japan was certainly a possibility because while Los
[6227.40-6232.76]
 Alamos was going to take until the end of August for a third bomb, Fat Men 4-6 would
[6232.76-6234.42]
 be done by September.
[6234.42-6235.42]
 And by this...
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 That's Fat Men.
[6236.42-6237.42]
 Yeah, that's what I said.
[6237.42-6238.42]
 Fat Men.
[6238.42-6239.42]
 Fat Men.
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 I guess it would be Fat Men 4-6.
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 Fat Men 4-6, I would say that.
[6242.92-6245.58]
 Yeah, because you don't say like Die Hards 4 and 5.
[6245.58-6246.58]
 Unless you're my mother.
[6246.58-6247.58]
 Yeah, you do.
[6247.58-6248.58]
 Die Hards 4 and 5.
[6248.58-6250.18]
 No, you say Die Hard 4 and 5.
[6250.18-6251.58]
 It depends on how you want to go.
[6251.58-6252.58]
 Do you say start?
[6252.58-6254.72]
 Yeah, you either do proper English or you don't.
[6254.72-6255.72]
 Yeah, yeah.
[6255.72-6256.72]
 No, it depends.
[6256.72-6264.08]
 If you're saying Die Hards 4th film had better boobs than Die Hard 1.
[6264.08-6267.18]
 Everyone is just pulling their cars into oncoming traffic.
[6267.18-6269.22]
 Everybody is just slamming their laptops.
[6269.22-6270.22]
 Die Hard 1 is 4.
[6270.22-6271.38]
 They're literally deleting the podcast.
[6271.38-6275.54]
 They're like hours of work, years of doing a show.
[6275.54-6279.02]
 You would say the Die Hards franchise...
[6279.02-6286.18]
 Rob has just moved from New York to Los Angeles to edit this episode.
[6286.18-6290.38]
 But perhaps a bigger reason why neither America nor Japan is eager to discuss the bombing
[6290.38-6296.62]
 of Nagasaki is because while Hiroshima was entirely unnecessary, Nagasaki was even more
[6296.62-6297.62]
 so.
[6297.62-6298.62]
 Yeah, it is definitely the...
[6298.62-6299.62]
 It is...
[6299.62-6300.62]
 How do...
[6300.00-6306.98]
 So I say this, I can put myself in history's shoes and talk about... and think about Hiroshima
[6306.98-6312.30]
 and kind of vaguely understand the whys and the hows and how we got to this place, but
[6312.30-6317.18]
 Nagasaki is the thing of like, this is where we entered into, now we're a bully.
[6317.18-6321.96]
 Now we are, we're just doing this to set the tone for the next war.
[6321.96-6322.96]
 Yeah, it's...
[6322.96-6326.74]
 I mean, it was done with all of the gravitas of fuck it, let's do it again.
[6326.74-6329.96]
 Everything, it just went right out the... it was very corporate almost.
[6329.96-6331.68]
 It just went out the door.
[6331.68-6332.68]
 Yeah.
[6332.68-6337.24]
 Just as the Fat Man bomb was falling on Nagasaki, Japan's Supreme Council for the direction
[6337.24-6341.80]
 of the war, the so-called Big Six, they were arguing over the best way to surrender.
[6341.80-6349.08]
 In fact, the decision to seek peace had been made six weeks before Hiroshima.
[6349.08-6351.58]
 But the Big Six couldn't agree on conditions.
[6351.58-6356.78]
 But really the biggest tragedy here was that it wasn't necessarily the atomic bombs that
[6356.78-6360.76]
 made the Japanese surrender, or at least it wasn't the biggest reason.
[6360.76-6365.20]
 Now not every historian agrees on this theory, but I do.
[6365.20-6370.60]
 It's thought by some that it was fear of a full Soviet invasion on the Japanese mainland
[6370.60-6376.24]
 and the eventual communist rule that drove the Japanese into the arms of the Americans.
[6376.24-6381.30]
 Truly, it was the Soviet Union invading that really popped them out of their fucking dream.
[6381.30-6388.00]
 That means that Nagasaki had no effect whatsoever on Japan's decision to surrender, and we rained
[6388.00-6415.52]
 hellfire on tens of thousands of Japanese.
[6390.00-6415.36]
 of people for no reason at all.
[6415.36-6420.54]
 But either way, when the Japanese came with surrender terms, Secretary of War Henry Stimson
[6420.54-6426.28]
 agreed to leave the Emperor on the throne just long enough for him to order the surrender
[6426.28-6428.22]
 of the Japanese armies.
[6428.22-6433.14]
 Because Stimson knew that Emperor Hirohito was going to be the only guy that those armies
[6433.14-6435.04]
 listened to.
[6435.04-6439.76]
 Stimson's reasoning was that it was in America's best interest to plant our flag on the Japanese
[6439.76-6442.14]
 homeland as soon as we could.
[6442.14-6447.72]
 We had to get there before the Soviets even came close because we wanted to avoid another
[6447.72-6450.76]
 power sharing situation like we had in Germany.
[6450.76-6454.38]
 And that's if we didn't lose Japan to the Soviets completely.
[6454.38-6458.44]
 And then also we got the atomic bomb and we're in your backyard.
[6458.44-6459.44]
 Now we're here.
[6459.44-6460.44]
 Yes, we're here.
[6460.44-6461.44]
 Yes.
[6461.44-6467.80]
 And so on August 15th, 1945, Japan accepted the Potsdam Declaration.
[6467.80-6473.00]
 Emperor Hirohito broadcasted an address telling the people of Japan and his armies to stand
[6473.00-6502.82]
 down because, quote, the war situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage.
[6480.00-6497.00]
 A little over two weeks later, Emperor Hirohito signed the document surrendering to America
[6497.00-6503.72]
 and on September 2, 1945, World War II officially ended.
[6503.72-6510.72]
 That however, is not where our story ends.
[6510.72-6515.80]
 We shall return next week for the conclusion to our series on The Manhattan Project, with
[6515.80-6520.48]
 the long-term effects of radiation poisoning, the moment in which atomic power becomes an
[6520.48-6525.90]
 object of fear for America rather than an object of wonder, and the eventual fate of
[6525.90-6539.88]
 J. Robert Oppenheimer.
[6539.88-6568.76]
 And
[6568.76-6570.28]
 that's a story for another time.
[6570.00-6577.26]
 But know that we're going to do a livestream, and then also remember for the shows that we're postponing in Australia and New Zealand to the 2024 dates,
[6577.26-6581.96]
 we're giving you guys a free show this year, but we're going to figure out all that coordinating over the next couple weeks.
[6581.96-6583.46]
 You are going to receive an email from us.
[6583.46-6586.42]
 It will be a stream show, not a free show in Australia.
[6586.42-6587.86]
 No, it'll be a stream show.
[6587.86-6589.86]
 I would say it's more of a program than a show.
[6589.86-6590.96]
 It's a program.
[6590.96-6593.72]
 And there'll be show aspects, but I am excited for this.
[6593.72-6596.72]
 I think that that will be... you guys going to get that?
[6596.72-6603.36]
 And we've got Henry Zebrowski, me, at Dad's Garage in Atlanta, July 7th and 8th.
[6603.36-6606.36]
 I'm going to be enjoying myself, making improv. You've got to see me there.
[6606.36-6607.56]
 And then we've got Kissel.
[6607.56-6613.70]
 Yeah, I'm doing a bunch of blabbing, so you guys can come out to San Diego on 7-9, that's July 9th.
[6613.70-6615.86]
 San Francisco, July 16th.
[6615.86-6617.70]
 Las Vegas, July 23rd.
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 And Ontario, California, July 30th.
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 It'll be fun.
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 No, I'm excited for you.
[6623.02-6624.82]
 And the theme for all of that is sloughing.
[6624.82-6625.52]
 Yeah, yeah.
[6625.52-6628.56]
 So feel free to come with your skin slightly hanging off your body.
[6628.56-6633.62]
 And he will be doing his new Kissel-knocks hour, which will mostly involve...
[6633.62-6635.52]
 I mean, I'm very... I'm scared.
[6635.52-6637.12]
 Yeah, I'm horrified.
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[6692.40-6696.84]
 At the end of his life, frame it in a way where he feels like his entire life was a lie
[6696.84-6701.16]
 and that everything he thought was true about America is a true...
[6701.16-6703.28]
 Sometimes you get a fifth adolescence in your nineties.
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