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Andrew Trice:Hi everyone, we'll be starting at 2:00 EST (in about 13 minutes) | |
Andrew Trice:Remember to enter questions in the "Questions" panel | |
Andrew Trice:We're going to start out purely with the "Questions" panel, there will not be an audio | |
Andrew Trice:*any* audio | |
Mikel:Will we be able to get a archive of the chat for future reference? | |
Ray Camden:While we aren't officially starting yet - feel free to put in some Questions (in the panel of | |
course) | |
Andrew Trice:yes | |
Ray Camden:hey Chad - no need to raise your hand :) use the Questions panel | |
Andrew Trice:Feel free to enter questions at any time | |
Chad B::-P sorry, was curious about the button | |
Ray Camden:ahhh - no worries | |
Ray Camden:just don't push the Giant Red "Self Destruct" button | |
Crystal McDonald:Hello :) | |
Chad B:Just out of curiousity, how many websites was this session advertised on? I found it on Ray's | |
blog but always interested in new sites. | |
Mikel:I mentioned it on the phonegap google group and i see that the PhoneGap folks were tweeting | |
about it | |
Andrew Trice:For specific questions, please say what platform/OS you are using, and what version of | |
phonegap are you using. | |
Andrew Trice:please excuse my typos :) | |
Jen McCarrick:hello! | |
Crystal McDonald:Hi Jen McCarrick! :) | |
Shawn Morgart:Hello | |
Jen McCarrick:hey crystal! hey shawn! | |
Alejandro Montenegro:hi all | |
Jen McCarrick:good day for mobile =) | |
Ray Camden:Hey Tan - for your question - did you mean the Desktop? | |
Jen McCarrick:the HTML design would better suit Accessibility as well | |
Joe H:win8 would be more interesting using pg than air solutions . make it relatively easy to port | |
winphone to win8 Metro | |
Ray Camden:elliot - yep- andy is about to reply i think | |
Ray Camden:(so i killed your repeat there) | |
elliot:perfect, I didn't want to be impatient, just unsure it was in the right place. | |
Ray Camden:Alejandro - are you talking about strategy for a PG app to handle new form factors, | |
devices, etc? | |
Alejandro Montenegro:Ray - no, more like phonegap being able to support future platforms.. lets say | |
BB10 is soon soon on the market does any has a strategy to make pg support this as soon as possible | |
elliot:Thanks Andrew, been chasing that one around for a week now | |
Alejandro Montenegro:or just hope that the community will do this | |
Ray Camden:Alejandro - so your question is - in regards to Cordovo - what is the nromal way to | |
handle new devices, platforms, etc, right? | |
Ray Camden:at a high level that is | |
Alejandro Montenegro:right | |
Simon MacDonald:Alejandro, I suspect RIM will be heavily involved in porting Cordova to the BB10 | |
platform just like there were for the Playbook | |
Ray Camden:(Alejandro, going to mark your Q answered since SImon is responding. Thank you | |
Simon!) | |
Simon MacDonald:NP, I'm kinda lurking here as I'm working on another bug. Feel free to ping me on | |
stuff as well. | |
kim Rasmussen 2:Hi Simon THANKS for the big job you are dooing! | |
Chad B:fair enough :-P | |
Alejandro Montenegro:my question is more generic, a customers concern is: if we base our mobile | |
strategy on phonegap, who can "guarantee" that we will be able to create apps for all platform/device in | |
the future.. | |
Steve Smith:Andrew: The reasoning is to link multiple external pages for components of an application | |
and provide some sort of master navigation. | |
Ray Camden:hey Kim - you mention both jQuery and jQuery Mobile. Did you mean both, or just JQM? | |
kim Rasmussen 2:I actually is only interrested in the Mobile GUI look and feel, I really like | |
kim Rasmussen 2:it but I do not neeed any of the other jQuery stuff.. (i think) | |
Simon MacDonald:Alejandro: There is no "guarentee" just a bunch of committed developers from some | |
big companies like Adobe, RIM, IBM, MS who want to see PhoneGap/Cordova succeed. Plus a | |
community of developers building functionality and apps using PhoneGap. | |
Jeff Thurston:Thanks, Andrew. | |
Simon MacDonald:Alejandro: The key point of PhoneGap is that as browsers get better at | |
implementing HTML5 standards you won't need it anymore so in a way it is future proof | |
Alejandro Montenegro:thanks, Simon | |
Chad B:i had a lot of luck with speed with latest JQM on ICS | |
Steve Smith:Kim: I found with JQM and Android, there are a lot of things that can be done to boost | |
the performance, you just end up doing some of it a little more native than within the JQM | |
kim Rasmussen 2:1.1 ? | |
Ray Camden:ditto chad | |
Ray Camden:1.1 was a _big_ improvement | |
Chad B:even got comments about it | |
kim Rasmussen 2:I agree. | |
Ray Camden:I'll admit to being a JQM fan boy :) | |
Chad B:guilty :-P | |
kim Rasmussen 2:1.1 helped, but as an example right now i have a problem wioth the Wait Spinner.. | |
And after a whole day of testing did it show up at beeing the JQM frame work that took the time and | |
therefor was teh wait spinner not shown. | |
kim Rasmussen 2:Do not get me werong I find JQM really cool and I like that is has a solid user base, | |
that is why I whant to stick with it | |
Ray Camden:hey kim - how about you ping me via email with some details. i'll take a look see. | |
Steve Smith:I had similar spinner issues, did you try a div overlay with an animated gif? Phonegap | |
took nicely to that. | |
kim Rasmussen 2:OK i will.. Thanks.. | |
Ray Camden:i know one oddity i saw was that you couldn't use the spnner in pageload, but you could | |
in pageshow | |
Steve Smith:Ray nailed the issue I was having on the head. | |
kim Rasmussen 2:YEs I saw that but my issue is that I have a search buttom that will result in a new | |
page . and the spinned do not show up.. | |
Ray Camden:definitely hit me up with that kim. ill be happy to take a look | |
kim Rasmussen 2:but if I put an error in the code so it stops after the showPageLoadmsg then the | |
spinner shows up nicely | |
kim Rasmussen 2:Chat Do you have your things written up someplace ? | |
kim Rasmussen 2:Chad sorry... | |
Steve Smith:Kim: I also noticed it tends to have issues when going between pages. It will show on the | |
first page and not the other, and if the latter is the one showing while it loads, it appears to never | |
show. | |
Charles:iOS developer here for the past 3 years. What advice and resources would you have for | |
HTML5, PhoneGap, etc. that would make getting into hybrid development much smoother? | |
Ray Camden:charles - can you put that in the Question panel pls? | |
Chad B:I sadly do not. I do however recommend the comments throughout Rays blog. | |
Andrew Trice:Please keep questions in the Q&A pod, so we can keep track of them. Thanks! | |
Charles:sorry | |
Andrew Trice:no worries | |
kim Rasmussen 2:Can i ask q's on Build here ? | |
Ray Camden:yes | |
elliot:Charles, I am a bit new to this too. I'd start with JavaScript and CSS3 (for simple animations) and | |
go from there. | |
Ray Camden:elliot, for a lot of us, "a bit new" applies :) | |
Vineet Sood:whats the intercall dconference | |
abdel:heloo | |
abdel:alguien entiende español aqui | |
abdel:? | |
Vineet Sood:is there any intercall where people are connected up | |
Vineet Sood:???? | |
Ray Camden:vineet, no | |
Ray Camden:this is chat only | |
Vineet Sood:ok | |
Vineet Sood:than how is the session going on? | |
Vineet Sood:is it more of a question/answer sort of thing | |
Ray Camden:yes - folks are using the Questions panel | |
Vineet Sood:ok i can see the rules pod | |
Jeff Thurston:Are the q/as being captured somewhere? | |
Ray Camden:yes - they will be export | |
Ray Camden:i'm going to use the expoort in a WordPerfect 1.0 format | |
Ray Camden:on floppy | |
Jen McCarrick:=) | |
Ray Camden:btw, in case it isn't obvious - im not the smartest person in the world. if anyone objects | |
to our answers, speak up! :) | |
Chad B:make sure you update your winzip too | |
Ray Camden:some of these answers will - obviously - be opinions | |
Steve Smith:Ray: The device specific cordova has to be read by the device or it will pop up with some | |
funky looking error messages. There doesn't seem to be any way to redirect to one, but I have been | |
able to make what one loads dynamic by the UA string. <- been running into a similar issue trying to | |
reduce the overlap between devices | |
Andrew Trice:Steve Smith, can you elaborate on your question? | |
Ray Camden:steve - i dont quite get you - the device isnt reading the 'generic' JS file, Build is | |
Steve Smith:Ray: I mean a device version of cordova, ie: cordova.ios.js | |
Ray Camden:oh | |
Ray Camden:wait | |
Ray Camden:im still not getting you | |
Steve Smith:Andrew: I was talking about best practices for writing plugins that will be compatible with | |
2.0 or at least a place to track where the plan is at | |
Simon MacDonald:Steve: No one can answer that right now as we are unsure of what plugins will look | |
like in 2.0. More discussion needs to happen. Feel free to contribute to the discussion though. | |
Andrew Trice:ahh, gotcha. right now the architecture is not updated yet, so there are no best | |
practices | |
Steve Smith:Ray: the cordova (or PhoneGap) from iOS causes errors on Android, and vice versa. I was | |
suggesting a way to maintain the same code and get around that. | |
Steve Smith:Simon: I guess I was asking where I might do that ;) | |
Andrew Trice:there is an ongoing effort to unify codova.js this is currently underway | |
Andrew Trice:it will all be one JS file | |
Ray Camden:steve: ah - i thought you were talking about the Build service, since this came up in a Q | |
about that earlier | |
Ray Camden:like andy just said - for Android/iOS it should be one file now | |
Ray Camden:for more actually - i forget the platforms where it is 100% the same | |
Andrew Trice:However, for older SDK versions, there will be different JS files. This will only be unified | |
moving forward | |
Steve Smith:Ray: I guess I need to go verify my version... | |
Steve Smith:thanks | |
Andrew Trice:no problem1 | |
Andrew Trice:any more questions anyone? | |
Steve Smith:What version did the unified JS start at? | |
Andrew Trice:i *think* it was 1.6 | |
Steve Smith:ok, thanks | |
Joe H:phonegap meetup in tampa, fl tomorrow anyone in the area. greg wilson of adobe talking... | |
Ray Camden:joe, got a url for that? i'll add it ot the Rules/Resources pod to the right | |
Andrew Trice:there were case-sensitivity issues in the first versions, but i believe they've beel cleared | |
up in 1.7 | |
Joe H:http://www.meetup.com/BarCampTampaBay/events/60875062/ | |
kim Rasmussen 2:Andrew.. This is why I thouoght I could keep the name in Buiild.. I am testing it | |
mow | |
Steve Smith:I asked because I was facing the issue in 1.7rc1 | |
Joe H:phonegap on windows phone focused resource list here -> | |
http://dfwiki.devfish.net/technology.PhoneGap.ashx | |
Simon MacDonald:Steve: https://wiki.apache.org/cordova/PluginDesign | |
Steve Smith:Simon: thank you much | |
Steve Lantz:thanks for the pointer to the notifications plug-in! | |
Ray Camden:Questions Panel is ready for more folks :) | |
Daniel:Hello everyone, i'm developing an app which gets a lot of images loaded in the DOM and i | |
would like to monitor the mem usage. Any advice on how to do this? | |
Chad B:seems like everyone is stuck on notifications :-\ (happy im not alone on this) | |
Steve Smith:good question... | |
Ray Camden:Lantz: Are those non-Fire Kindles running Android? I didn't think they were | |
Ray Camden:Chad - my biggest takeaway from this is to do a proof of concept with notifications :) | |
Chad B:https://github.com/saileshmittal/phonegap-system-notification-plugin/tree/master/androidstatusbar- | |
notificaion just a bit dated | |
Steve Lantz:non-fire kindles are not running android but they do have webkit browser as | |
experitmental. | |
Steve Smith:Andrew: Thanks, I asked because I wasn't overly impressed with how organized it was | |
and I figured you guys don't seem to have that issue ;) | |
Ray Camden:rd - do you mean 5.5? | |
manya:si | |
rd:yes | |
Daniel:btw Andrew, just did a deploy with App UI. Looks great! big thanks for sharing! | |
Mike Walker:Is there a plan to build out more support for front-facing cameras on devices? I know | |
with the developing standards it's difficult but definitely would be very useful. | |
Ray Camden:mike, can you please se the Questions panel? | |
Mike Walker:Oops, my apology | |
Steve Smith:That would be fun. Tricky just to get it running on an android build, let alone support it | |
through javascript, lol | |
Ray Camden:no worries mikew | |
Steve Lantz:Andrew - sorry for the duplicate question, adobe connect should have search :) | |
rd:Ray, for the geolocation pop up showing html path, any idea? | |
Ray Camden:rd - andy is working on this one right now (an answer i mean) | |
Ray Camden:just posted another PG meeting in the Rules panel to the right | |
rd:k, thx | |
Jen McCarrick:thanks so much Ray, we would love to have you all attend (such great questions you | |
have) | |
Jen McCarrick:the session topic covers PhoneGap and JavaScript MVC | |
Ray Camden:Am Louisianian's allowed in FLorida? ;) | |
Jen McCarrick:yes'sir!! | |
Jen McCarrick:as long as you bring jazz fest (last week) with you =) | |
Chad B:Tampa! ahh, I might should go to this | |
Jen McCarrick:daniel - i love the Inspector within Chrome - when it opens there is a Network panel - | |
when you refresh (you may need to Shift+refresh) you should see a total (both header requests and | |
total file size) | |
Ray Camden:I want to riff a bit on what Andy said in his last answer - | |
Ray Camden:I do a LOT of PG work in the desktop | |
Jen McCarrick:all the great optimization tricks for imagery/content still apply (luckily) | |
Ray Camden:makes things quicker/easier at times | |
Ray Camden:don't asusme you HAVE to use a device all the time | |
Ray Camden:obviously you NEED to | |
Ray Camden:but - err you get my point ;) | |
Jen McCarrick:for smaller images you can use the base64 encoding (to keep down header req) | |
rd:Andrew, I'm using 'navigator.geolocation' which I guess is the browser one...your url for further | |
discussion is disabled and/or not allowed w/o registration | |
Ray Camden:it's the same API rd, | |
Ray Camden:its the _timing_ | |
Andrew Trice:rd: hmmmm: it shouldn't be... im not logged in | |
Ray Camden:did anyone else have trouble viewing the URL in Andy's answer to rd? | |
kim Rasmussen 2:Hi all just tested the build issue and it eseams like ther still is some differance | |
between the JS file.. I am will just rename it, just thought you wanted to know .. Thanks all I am | |
checking out now (late here in Denmark) Thanks again.. | |
Jen McCarrick:of course sprites are great for this....but CSS now provides such flexibility that if you | |
can go that direction (along with your own custom JS - say w/o JQ/JQM if your skills/time support it) - | |
much lighter and more efficient your app will be =) | |
Andrew Trice:from that link: The latest solution for iPhone OS 4.x and PhoneGap 0.9.x is to follow the | |
example of the docs for and add an event listener that waits for the device to be ready, otherwise the | |
native navigator.geolocation is used and you get an alert like this: | |
"var/mobile/Applications/UUID/appname.app/www/index.html" Would Like To Use Your Current | |
Location. | |
Andrew Trice:just wait for the device ready event | |
Andrew Trice:the api will use navigator.geolocation | |
Andrew | |
Trice:http://docs.phonegap.com/en/1.7.0/cordova_geolocation_geolocation.md.html#Geolocation | |
rd:hey Ray, I did it based on one of your demo app: | |
http://www.raymondcamden.com/index.cfm/2011/11/30/Check-out-GeoNames | |
Daniel:Thx Jen, but this is the data that gets transferd and my app is an JS app so there will be a lot | |
of images left in the DOM. offcourse i clean the DOM by removing elements but i hear a lot of bad stuff | |
about the carbage collector in ios so i want to be sure about the mem usage | |
Ray Camden:rd: It is the same API, the issue is in _when_ you are using it | |
Ray Camden:the blog post you linked to is for a general JS one, not PG, | |
Ray Camden:the same ocde works - just wait for the deviceready event | |
Ray Camden:in general, i put most of my logic _after_ the deviceready event when doing phonegap | |
rd:Andrew, your link works, but the 'discussion' link to read more takes you to a lighthouse link | |
Jen McCarrick:ahhh...as i read the updated questions panel =) | |
Ray Camden:rd: are you using deviceready? if not - can you try? | |
Andrew Trice:even so, the API is the same, just wait until after the deviceready event | |
rd:I have a 'home page' that starts with 'device ready ini' with code to listen for 'deviceready' | |
rd:after that I take them to the 'geolocation' page and that's when it pops up | |
Ray Camden:rd - could you pastebin your code? | |
Andrew Trice:is that a separate HTML page? | |
rd:separate html page | |
Andrew Trice:thats the prob | |
Andrew Trice:deviceready is per page | |
Andrew Trice:are you waiting for deviceready on the geolocation page? | |
rd:no, I "assume" just having it at the beginning will suffice | |
rd:will try later tonight and see what happens | |
Andrew Trice:yeah, you need to wait for deviceready on teh geolocation page too | |
rd:good deal guys, Thanks! | |
Andrew Trice:basically, phonegap needs to setup its callbacks into the native layer for every page that | |
gets loaded | |
Ray Camden:i told andy he has to blog this now | |
Andrew Trice:hahahha | |
rd:hahaha...yep...it was just not too intuitive for newbies like me ;) | |
Ray Camden:rd - no - i didnt think about it either. im used to JQM where new 'Pages' are loaded via | |
Ajax and injected into the DOM | |
Andrew Trice:i was laughing at ray, btw | |
Andrew Trice:not you | |
Andrew Trice:sorry | |
Ray Camden:im used to it - they all laugh at me. it's ok - they're just jealous | |
rd:no worries :0 | |
Daniel:Andrew, i'm a fan of app UI right now..could you share some future plans for app UI? | |
Steve Smith:wondermade: For front cameras, there just needs to be some sort of call to specify the | |
cameraId in the android portion linked to a javascript call to start the video. It is possible, but mostly | |
native. Just realized what you were trying to do. | |
Ray Camden:Questions panel queue is empty - ask way folks :) | |
Ray Camden:(Be sure to see Andrew's follow up answer to the last one) | |
Pogo:Can't understand why anybody would use PhoneGap, Objective-C and Cocoa Touch is really quite | |
easy | |
Pogo:As is Andriod Java | |
Ray Camden:what's easy to you may not be as easy to others :) | |
Pogo:The end user experience is wha counts, not the developers | |
Pogo:Nothing is easy | |
Ray Camden:I think PhoneGap, and tools like it, open up the opportunities for others | |
Andrew Trice:Pogo, it is very possible to create great experiences in HTML on mobile devices | |
Pogo:But having respect for users is paramount | |
Ray Camden:and using PG does not imply your experience is bad | |
rd:pogo, I use it mainly for ease of use and productivity | |
Ray Camden:how does using PG imply any lack of respect? | |
Pogo:Gourmet meals require effort and care | |
Pogo:And respect for the user | |
Steve Smith:Pogo: I have one site. One layout, no more. But I have an app for iOS, Android, and a | |
webpage that all do the same thing without having to reinvent the wheel for each | |
Ray Camden:but Pogo - you have answered why using PG implies any lack of respect | |
Pogo:Because using PG shows lack of care | |
rd:customers want quick turn around and don't want to pay much. | |
Andrew Trice:pogo, you can build VERY bad native apps just as easily as you can build bad HTML apps | |
Pogo:A race to the bottom | |
Ray Camden:pogo - why? | |
Andrew Trice:Facebook uses phonegap, salesforce uses phonegap | |
Pogo:It's the McJob mentaility again | |
Ray Camden:i mean you are welcome to your opinion, but you havent really backed it up :) | |
Daniel:i like the fact that i have one code base for android and ios etc | |
Andrew Trice:wikipedia uses phonegap... etc... | |
Andrew Trice:phonegap in no way is a "lack of respect" for the platform | |
Pogo:We have two native code bases, with shared libs and it's easier than another abstraction | |
Andrew Trice:but as with all apps, the developer must create a quality experience | |
rd:I like this and will quote it later too: "you can build VERY bad native apps just as easily as you can | |
build bad HTML" | |
Pogo:Let's face it, PG is about selling more Adobe cruft | |
Steve Smith:Pogo: calling this lack of care is the same as saying it is better to ignore 100 customers | |
just so each person has one more menu option. Who really wins? | |
Andrew Trice:phoengap is free and open source | |
Mikel:@ Ray and Andrew, gotta run but thanks for doing this! | |
Pogo:And the services built on top by Adobe are not | |
Ray Camden:Pogo, that isn't vcery constructive | |
Ray Camden:Cordova is 100% free and open source | |
Pogo:Apple is taking another look at these types of frameworks | |
Ray Camden:and your point is? | |
Pogo:Let's see | |
Ray Camden:Build is a great service. But it isn't required | |
Pogo:I wouldn't invest in something that could one day be obsolete | |
Daniel:what do you mean with apple is taking another look at these frameworks Pogo? | |
Ray Camden:thats certainly fine | |
Pogo:Re-examining | |
Ray Camden:Pogo, do you have any URLs/sources for that? | |
Daniel:where do you get that info form? | |
Ed Sullivan:< --- wonders exactly why Pogo is here? | |
Ray Camden:different opinions are good :) | |
Pogo:Checking for you... | |
Daniel:thx | |
Ray Camden:Pogo, if you consider 2 main facets of Cordova, Cordova itself and HTML, I don't think | |
HTML is going anywhere soon | |
Ed Sullivan:Agreed when backed up with some factual info... | |
Ray Camden:and even if no one added to Cordova's open source, it wouldnt stop working all of a | |
sudden | |
Steve Smith:Ed: There is always one person that has to justify past work by diminishing the need for a | |
new method. It looks like a good chance to offer an old dog a new trick ;) | |
jt:Also - All tech will one day be obsolete. | |
Ray Camden:remember, Adobe purchased the company behind PG, we didn't buy PG | |
Ray Camden:we dont own it | |
Ray Camden:its an Apache project | |
Mike Walker:I hadn't realized Facebook swapped to Phonegap when they did their HTML transition, | |
just assumed they used their own "thing." Pretty cool to see big players using this now | |
Pogo:(meanwhile, it's such a shame to give end users a third or fourth rate experience in an | |
unoptimised UIWebView) | |
Ray Camden:the fact that we make money from a service, are tooling, I think is fine | |
Ray Camden:pogo | |
Ed Sullivan:Steve :) | |
Ray Camden:i'll ask again | |
Ray Camden:where is your proof that PG apps are bad UX versus native apps? | |
Ray Camden:ive seen plenty of ugly apps :) | |
Pogo:No need for proof, they just evidentl are byt the fact of not being native, and runnigng in | |
unoptimed web components | |
Ray Camden:wow | |
Ray Camden:Ok | |
Ray Camden:you win :) | |
Pogo:(excuse poor typing) | |
Pogo:not here to win | |
Pogo:merely to point out that you can have A1 experience or CRay | |
Camden:I think if you say "no need for proof" you are automatically making your argument | |
weaker. at least imo | |
Pogo:your choice as devs, but shame for users | |
Jen McCarrick:having been in the interactive industry for a decade or so -- having as many 'tools' in | |
your back pocket has never been a bad thing. A triple-threat (mobile web/iOS native/Android native) is | |
merely guaranteeing (sp?) their place in this rapidly changing industry | |
Steve Smith:Pogo: I designed my site first, and added barcode scan courtesy of PG, also added the | |
search button, and the menu button, and later an entire iOS app. All of this from a website. Are you | |
saying that I should have rewritten the same thing using listviews and tab layouts just to say I did? | |
Andrew Trice:you can have a+ expereince with phonegap, in fact one of the recent "suggested apps | |
by apple" was a phonegap app | |
Andrew Trice:BitTimer | |
Pogo:I don't have an argument that requires being weaker or stronger, merely facts | |
Andrew Trice:linkedin's app is not phonegap, but it is a HTML experience in a web view | |
Andrew Trice:it has gotten rave reviews | |
Pogo:For example.... | |
Ray Camden:but you didnt give any facts? | |
Pogo:...we have smallish s/w house... | |
Pogo:...we all do iOS and Android... | |
Pogo:...less effort than JS/Ajax stack | |
Pogo:much less effort | |
Andrew Trice:anyone else have questions? | |
Pogo:APIs are clearer | |
Pogo:We can get going with new APIs without time lag | |
Andrew Trice:let's just agree to disagree | |
Pogo:http://sandofsky.com/blog/shell-apps.html | |
Andrew Trice:that article is very misleading... i am working on a published response | |
Steve Smith:I have been writing Android apps since roughly 04, and I have upgraded some from | |
native TO phonegap for the sheer optimizing of hybrid apps using websites instead of having to | |
download drawables and make imageviews, etc. | |
Pogo:I think it hits the nail on the head | |
Chad B:Pogo, we get it, you like native. Thats not why we are here though. Both sides have valid | |
arguments. Another time/place plz? | |
Andrew Trice:again, let's agree to disagree and not monopolize the conversation | |
Ray Camden:i think we are all in agreement to move along | |
Jen McCarrick:i have students that can do all three - very well - that, i believe, is not a bad future for | |
developers - and they can help the client make the right choice at the right stage of their dev needs - it | |
is proven that users do not mind 'upgrades' to apps, and a PG solution that rolls into separate native | |
apps isn't unheard of | |
Pogo:I can't help but feel that PG is yet more Adobe bandwagon | |
Ray Camden:Pogo | |
Ray Camden:Adobe != Cordova | |
Pogo:And we know what Steve Jobs saida bout Adobe | |
Jen McCarrick:owners of small s/w shops are dying to hire my students - $$-making, $$-saving | |
Andrew Trice:phonegap existed before adobe acquired nitobi | |
Andrew Trice:and was immensely popular then, and even bigger now | |
Andrew Trice:pogo, we all agree to disagree | |
Ray Camden:so... getting close to the end. any more questions? | |
Pogo:Always $$$$ saving - shame | |
Steve Smith:God rest Steve Jobs, but Apple isn't flawless, and Adobe is working wonders on PhoneGap | |
to make it nice and clean... but back to why I came here... | |
Pogo:It's a race to the bottom folks! | |
Steve Lantz:Pogo: Customers want all three platforms the only savings here is the customers bill | |
Crystal McDonald:Thank you all for the problem solving help! | |
Pogo:Until all apps are free.... | |
Pogo:..reduced to inane ads.... | |
Ray Camden:Hey Pogo, seriously - I am trying to be civil here | |
Steve Lantz:keep telling yourself that... | |
Ray Camden:You are not winning friends here | |
jt:Pogo, how can you waste so much of other peoples time... | |
Andrew Trice:please get back on topic, no soapboxes | |
Pogo:Truth will out | |
Chad B:obvious troll is obvious! now with more troll! | |
Daniel:to bad i dont have any pure phongap questions anymore | |
jt:We came here to chat PG with RC - not whatever it is you are doing. | |
Daniel:thanks for this chat! | |
Ray Camden:RC+AT ;) | |
Steve Lantz:thanks for the chat, really appreciate it | |
jt:Yes +AT, super-fun Pogo not withstanding. | |
Andrew Trice:we still have 15 minutes left for anyone with real questions or constructive input | |
elliot:Really appreciate the time guys | |
Ray Camden:we have the best jobs in the world - this time was fun for us (if i may speak for AT as | |
well :) | |
elliot:Do you know of any good resources for example apps? | |
Ray Camden:both our blogs are one place | |
Andrew Trice:yes, let me get my list... | |
elliot:i'll put this over there --> | |
Andrew Trice:yes, see the blogs too | |
Steve Smith:Thanks guys. | |
Chad B:Well RC + AT, was fun. Pretty sure chat was killed. I'm out of questions but really enjoyed the | |
others. Looking forward to the notifications writeup. Thanks! | |
Andrew Trice:my blog is http://tricedesigns.com | |
Andrew Trice:ray's is http://raymondcamden.com | |
elliot:Andrew, I stumbled across your blog the other day, it's been big help (especially the low latency | |
audio plug in) | |
Jen McCarrick:i'm curious if anyone thinks we will actually 'see' ICS or if we will simply jump to 5? | |
Andrew Trice:thanks! glad its been helpful | |
Jen McCarrick:for development | |
Steve Smith:I have ICS | |
Andrew Trice:that's more in google & device manufacturer's court | |
Chad B:ics is quite nice | |
Chad B:check xda - make it happen yourself | |
Andrew Trice:i have 4 android devices, none with ICS yet | |
Steve Smith:I'm not sharing ;) | |
Jen McCarrick:true, but will ICS dominate or will 5 appear and everyone jump | |
Chad B:its such a gap | |
Jen McCarrick:we skipped 3 =) | |
Chad B:it pretty much requires a new phone to get, or hax0ring. | |
Ray Camden:ive had ICS on the Xoom for a while, not a big deal, but on phone it is incredible. got the | |
HTC One X yesterday | |
Steve Smith:that was tablet focused, they skipped because 4 provided 3 with phone support. easier | |
than going back and supporting phones THEN updating | |
Chad B:ahh, quite jelly | |
Jen McCarrick:nice - several of us have ICS on hero's/etc - but unless device makers lock out the | |
upgrade to 5... | |
Chad B:heros?!? holy crap! lol time for an upgrade | |
Jen McCarrick:yep - gotta have what the masses have to testing =) | |
Chad B:id get an old galaxy s :-P | |
Jen McCarrick:we have new devices as well... | |
Steven Scranton:I have an odd feeling many phone companies are waiting for the jelly bean release | |
for updates | |
Chad B:galaxy s vibrant runs ICS quite smoothly, as does my G2. was also able to add a FFC to the | |
vibrant for $20. lol | |
oc:thanks for your time guys | |
Ray Camden:no problem | |
Chad B:and yes, thanks guys. time to get back to work :-( | |
Andrew Trice:you're all welcome! | |
Steve Smith:Thanks | |
Andrew Trice:still a few minutes left for any additional questions | |
Shawn Morgart:Thanks as well, followed along as best I could seeing as I was just introduced to PG | |
last week! | |
Ray Camden:what do you think so far? honestly? | |
Ray Camden:any major problems? | |
Steven Scranton:Getting ready to do our first app with PhoneGap | |
Shawn Morgart:Not yet, despite what Pogo had to say I think there is logic in this process | |
Jen McCarrick:=) | |
Ray Camden:this HTML thing... it may just work out. not sure though.... | |
Steven Scranton:I come from a web development background and the single source for android and | |
iOS is a great draw to reduce time | |
Shawn Morgart:I see both sides... it may not be the best solution for EVERY situation, but it is a great | |
solution for many | |
Ray Camden:shawn - absolutely | |
Ray Camden:i dont think anyone thinks PG is a solution for -everything- | |
Ray Camden:ive yet to find something that works 100% of the time in 100% of the cases | |
Ray Camden:its a mistake to think such a thing exists | |
Ray Camden:(now illget off my own soapbox) | |
Steve Smith:Ray: you just dashed my hopes and dreams ;) | |
Jen McCarrick:having enough skills as a developer to be able to truly make those choices is rare as | |
well - oftentimes you go with what you know - it's not bad to be a bit broad - especially with how | |
volatile this industry is | |
Steven Scranton:Are there any training resources or classes you would recommend for someone | |
getting started? | |
Steve Smith:I've found it best to go with what you don't know, that way you always have a fallback :D | |
Andrew Trice:rather than focus on phonegap, you might want to focus on creating rich HTML/JS | |
experiences | |
Andrew Trice:HTML/JS is the core of a phonegap app | |
Andrew Trice:there are things you need to keep in mind, like GPU via CSS3, touch input, etc... | |
Andrew Trice:but ultimately its all html/js application development | |
Ray Camden:Think we are going to officially wrap it up here folks | |
Steve Smith:Thanks again guys. Off to work on a newly inspired notification plugin | |
Ray Camden:thank you SO much for attending | |
Andrew Trice:thanks for attending everyone! | |
Steven Scranton:thank you! | |
Jen McCarrick:thanks again - have a good one | |
Shawn Morgart:Thanks | |
Andrew Trice:feel free to ping us with questions via blogs or twitter | |
Andrew Trice:@andytrice on twitter | |
Daniel:thanks all | |
Ray Camden:and im @cfjedimaster |
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