reddit-call-may-31-transcript-end.md

[This portion of call begins at 25:47]

Me: I could make it really easy on you, if you think Apollo is costing you $20 million per year, cut me a check for $10 million and we can both skip off into the sunset. Six months of use. We're good. That's mostly a joke.

Reddit: Six months of use? What do you mean? I know you said that was mostly a joke, but I want to take everything you're saying seriously just to make sure I'm not - what are you referring to?

Me: Okay, if Apollo's opportunity cost currently is $20 million dollars. At the 7 billion requests and API volume. If that's your yearly opportunity cost for Apollo, cut that in half, say for 6 months. Bob's your uncle.

Reddit: You cut out right at the end. I'm not asking you to repeat yourself for a third time, but you legit cut out right at the end. "If your opportunity cost is $10 million" and then I lost you.

Me: No, no, I'm sorry. Yeah one more time. I was just saying if the opportunity cost of Apollo is currently $20 million a year. And that's a yearly, apparently ongoing cost to you folks. If you want to rip that band-aid off once. And have Apollo quiet down, you know, six months. Beautiful deal. Again this is mostly a joke, I'm just saying if the opportunity cost is that high, and if that is something that could make it easier on you guys, that could happen too. As is, it's quite difficult.

Reddit: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear you. I think it's… I don't know what you mean by quiet down. I find that to be-

Me: No, no, sorry. I didn't mean that to-

Reddit: I'm going to very straightforward to you too, it sounds like a threat. And I'm just like "Oh interesting". Because one of the things we're trying to do is say "You have been using our API free of cost for many, many years and we have absolutely sanctioned - you have not broken any rules." And now we're changing our perspective for what we're telling you - and I know you disagree with it. That hey, we want to operate on a thing that is financially, you know, footing. And so hopefully you mean something completely different from what I said when you say like "go quietly", I just want to make sure.

Me: How did you take that, sorry? Could you elaborate?

Reddit: Oh, like, because you were like, "Hey, if you want this to go away".

Me: I said "If you want Apollo to go quiet". Like in terms of- I would say it's quite loud in terms of its API usage.

Reddit: Oh, go quiet as in that. Okay, got it. Got it. Sorry.

Me: Like it's a very-

Reddit: Yeah, that's a complete misinterpretation on my end.

Me: Yeah. No, no, it's all good.

Reddit: I apologize. I apologize immediately.

Me: No, no, no, it's all good.

Reddit: Because what we're hearing in some conversations is folks are, you know, like in other- making threats, and we're like "Hey, that's not a conversation that we want to have". So I immediately apologize.

Me: Oh, no, no, it's all good. I'm sorry if it sounded like that.

Reddit: That's why I was asking you to repeat it because I thought I misheard it.

Me: No, no, that's fine. I'm a noisy API user.

Reddit: Right. Great.

Me: Like I said, I want this to be constructive as much as possible. And that would be the opposite.

Reddit: Fantastic, fantastic. Okay, I've taken up enough of your time. Thank you very much. I'm here, please email at any time and looking forward to continuing to chat.

Me: Yeah, likewise! Yep, just shoot me an email as well if you folks want to talk, I'm here.

Reddit: Great, thank you.

Me: Okay, good luck with any additional calls. Take care, bye.

Reddit: Thanks. Bye.

end of call

Re: gists Markdown documents on GH are used by even ECMA International(a standards organization) for documenting meeting notes/transcripts (example), they are also used by orgs like "Rust Foundation" for RFCs (example). Creating a Gist for a one-off document (instead of a repo like ECMA, RF, et al) is absolutely valid. I can't think of a possible reason why someone would take issue with that, unless you don't use GitHub that often.

Re: ToS violation It would be a ToS violation if there was something like both-party consent laws in Canada (where Christian is based), but there isn't so there likely isn't a ToS violation.

@fa7ad thanks for looking into this and sourcing a bit. I appreciate you taking the time.

In regards to Rust, I actually just started using Bevy this year. One of my main side projects is actually a Bevy plugin. Not sure when I'm going to be able to release it. Game development is a hobby of mine so I find time when I can. I'm new to Rust but I really enjoy it.

I'm more familiar with ECMA/JavaScript and even actively author node packages. I'm currently working on the development of a React/Node SSR framework that syncs server and client component context.

There is a big difference between a business call transcript with monetary implications and a languages documents for standardization. If those sources were related to business in any capacity I wouldn't have said anything. They are my two favorite languages! I'm actively familiar with both of your sources.

Your sources actually support what I was saying. If you can find some corporate business related subject matter to source I'm open to seeing it and changing my take on that ofc. Both of your sources aren't actually corporations - something you noted. Nor are they about anything business related. Just documentation related to their languages. ECMA includes meeting information in what you sourced but they are not meeting to talk about business deals or anything of the sort. So I'm a bit confused by you using them as examples for a counterpoint.

That's a nightmare for any product person. Taking away people's free access is the quickest way to get your app review-bombed to oblivion. So yes, Apollo might still be alive but at what cost?

Possibly but given the context of the scenario I personally think it'd bring good reviews for Apollo and bad reviews for Reddit. I do see your point though. Any change always warrants the possibility of bad reviews.