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| Ansible Contributor Summit 2021.03 (2021-03-09 at 04:01 GMT-8) | |
| 00:00:02.842,00:00:05.842 | |
| Baptiste Mille-Mathias: I'm just lurking around | |
| 00:00:11.194,00:00:14.194 | |
| Felix Fontein: Hi Baptiste! | |
| 00:00:30.888,00:00:33.888 | |
| Baptiste Mille-Mathias: can't speak today | |
| 00:01:53.592,00:01:56.592 | |
| Mark Chappell: Q&A is hidden under the icon on the right that's a triangle over a square and circle | |
| 00:02:55.268,00:02:58.268 | |
| Carol Chen: Agenda: https://hackmd.io/@ansible-community/contrib-summit-202103 | |
| 00:03:24.130,00:03:27.130 | |
| Ton Kersten: I will only be listening in today. Still hard at work | |
| 00:03:37.469,00:03:40.469 | |
| Brian Coca: greetings (non tz specific) | |
| 00:05:45.869,00:05:48.869 | |
| James Cammarata: hehe jiminy... haven't heard that one in a while | |
| 00:07:33.159,00:07:36.159 | |
| James Cammarata: chipmunk coca | |
| 00:07:41.947,00:07:44.947 | |
| Baptiste Mille-Mathias: Daft punk is back | |
| 00:07:47.860,00:07:50.860 | |
| James Cammarata: this is a long standing issue with bcoca's mic... | |
| 00:08:24.537,00:08:27.537 | |
| James Cammarata: poor west coast people... | |
| 00:10:13.420,00:10:16.420 | |
| Brad Thornton: "best" coast, is what we call it... | |
| 00:11:04.674,00:11:07.674 | |
| James Cammarata: i'm in the middle, no dog in that fight :) | |
| 00:12:37.928,00:12:40.928 | |
| Brian Coca: best mountain range is where i have opinions, since i hate beaches | |
| 00:14:01.980,00:14:04.980 | |
| David Moreau Simard: cybette-clock says 5 minutes left for this topic :) | |
| 00:14:50.552,00:14:53.552 | |
| Brian Coca: @tim good hostage video | |
| 00:15:40.201,00:15:43.201 | |
| Gundalow Barker: I know there are a lot of other people here that we will not get a chance to introduce themselves. | |
| If you to say your 1) GitHub/IRC name. 2) Your interest in Ansible 3) Where in the world you are 4) What you are hoping to get from today | |
| 00:19:02.667,00:19:05.667 | |
| Carol Chen: haha thanks David :) | |
| 00:19:48.554,00:19:51.554 | |
| Ton Kersten: - Ton Kersten / Netherlands (UTC+1) / GH: tonk / IRC: tkersten / Ansible user+contributor since 2012/ Meetup organizer / Learn about the future of Ansible | |
| 00:20:06.916,00:20:09.916 | |
| Carol Chen: hi Ton! :wave: | |
| 00:20:27.237,00:20:30.237 | |
| Abhijeet Kasurde: hi Ton! Welcome | |
| 00:20:45.121,00:20:48.121 | |
| Ton Kersten: Hello all. I'm just listening in. Still at work | |
| 00:21:43.205,00:21:46.205 | |
| Jacob Evans: 1) @JacobPEvans | |
| 2) Huge fan of Splunk, I've been using Ansible to automate a full cloud-based Splunk deployment. I see a lot of value in Ansible elsewhere though (e.g. server hardening) | |
| 3) Balkans / East Europe | |
| 4) Just watching, we'll see what happens! Always curious to know the latest & greatest | |
| 00:21:43.495,00:21:46.495 | |
| Timothy Appnel: @bcoca Sun hasn't quite come up here. Trying not to wake up the rest of the house. | |
| 00:22:13.367,00:22:16.367 | |
| Abhijeet Kasurde: hi Jacob | |
| 00:22:27.672,00:22:30.672 | |
| Carol Chen: hello Jacob! | |
| 00:23:38.626,00:23:41.626 | |
| Ton Kersten: Hi Carol and all the RH Ansibulls | |
| 00:24:10.729,00:24:13.729 | |
| Carol Chen: @Ton we just received new ansibulls and I'll be sending some your way! | |
| 00:25:56.726,00:25:59.726 | |
| Gagan Deep: Hi everyone! | |
| I am Gagan Deep from India. I go by username "pandafy" on GitHub and IRC. | |
| I across Ansible while working on OpenWISP. Currently, I am not a contributor yet :(, but I am looking forward to it. | |
| Pronouns: He/him/his | |
| 00:26:13.844,00:26:16.844 | |
| Ton Kersten: @Carol: Wonderful, looking forward to it | |
| 00:26:14.671,00:26:17.671 | |
| Carol Chen: hi Gagan! welcome :) | |
| 00:26:35.517,00:26:38.517 | |
| Sagi Shnaidman: Is this presentation available in public? | |
| 00:26:38.341,00:26:41.341 | |
| Carol Chen: Agenda for those who just joined: https://hackmd.io/@ansible-community/contrib-summit-202103 | |
| 00:26:45.785,00:26:48.785 | |
| Carol Chen: Sagi: we'll share slides after the event | |
| 00:27:01.328,00:27:04.328 | |
| Sagi Shnaidman: cool | |
| 00:29:25.175,00:29:28.175 | |
| Carol Chen: in the meantime you can check out details in this HackMD: https://hackmd.io/nAHJNmBbSYm90KZM1RPK6w | |
| 00:32:32.722,00:32:35.722 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Hi Resmo :) | |
| 00:33:06.561,00:33:09.561 | |
| Daniel S: sorry, was just listening during the last 30 minutes. still at work and need to "background" you every now and then. :) | |
| Therefore: Hi all, nice to see you. | |
| 00:33:16.929,00:33:19.929 | |
| Carol Chen: Hi Resmo! Hi Daniel! | |
| 00:37:05.036,00:37:08.036 | |
| Carol Chen: For those curious, my background is a picture from the Ansible office in Durham, which I took in 2018 when I visited | |
| 00:37:45.118,00:37:48.118 | |
| René Moser: hi Carol, looks good ;) | |
| 00:39:12.630,00:39:15.630 | |
| Abhijeet Kasurde: There is bird in the meeting | |
| 00:39:29.645,00:39:32.645 | |
| Abhijeet Kasurde: @alex ^^ | |
| 00:39:48.789,00:39:51.789 | |
| Carol Chen: birdie! | |
| 00:40:11.361,00:40:14.361 | |
| Alina Buzachis: 😍 | |
| 00:40:44.915,00:40:47.915 | |
| Abhijeet Kasurde: Cats and Dogs are so mainstream. We have bird in Ansible Contributor Summit. | |
| 00:45:05.924,00:45:08.924 | |
| Carol Chen: yes! we're so glad to have the birds attending the contributor summit :D | |
| 00:45:57.209,00:46:00.209 | |
| Brian Coca: we even have a badger! | |
| 00:46:21.398,00:46:24.398 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: @carol hope I do not distract :) | |
| 00:46:33.895,00:46:36.895 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: where ist the badger? | |
| 00:47:01.187,00:47:04.187 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: @Alex: "abadger" is Toshio's handle | |
| 00:47:15.648,00:47:18.648 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: /me waves | |
| 00:47:45.150,00:47:48.150 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: ooooh! hi :) | |
| 00:48:36.008,00:48:39.008 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: @gregory: love those charts, thanks for assembling | |
| 00:53:13.698,00:53:16.698 | |
| Gundalow Barker: If you are interested in the graphs and details that gwmngilfen is currently presenting, take a look at the more detailed blogs on https://emeraldreverie.org/ which some amazing graphs and write ups | |
| 00:53:21.637,00:53:24.637 | |
| Gundalow Barker: The list of potential statistics we are interested in, and other questions we have are tracked here https://github.com/ansible-community/stats-collections/issues | |
| 00:56:22.711,00:56:25.711 | |
| Gundalow Barker: QUESTION: What thoughts and ideas do people have | |
| 00:59:17.215,00:59:20.215 | |
| Carol Chen: https://stats.eng.ansible.com/ | |
| 01:03:44.046,01:03:47.046 | |
| Gundalow Barker: ============================================ | |
| 01:03:45.166,01:03:48.166 | |
| Gundalow Barker: #info Blog posts on ansible recent version changes https://www.ansible.com/blog/announcing-the-community-ansible-3.0.0-package & https://www.ansible.com/blog/ansible-3.0.0-qa | |
| 01:05:38.482,01:05:41.482 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Slides that dmsimard is currently presenting http://ansible.github.io/community/decks/3.0.0-community-update.html#/ (had lots of links) | |
| 01:07:38.400,01:07:41.400 | |
| Gundalow Barker: ansible and ansible-core roadmaps https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/devel/roadmap/ansible_roadmap_index.html | |
| 01:14:54.619,01:14:57.619 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Link to the Ansible Bullhorn (fortnightly email for Ansible Developers) https://us19.campaign-archive.com/home/?u=56d874e027110e35dea0e03c1&id=d6635f5420 | |
| 01:16:13.909,01:16:16.909 | |
| Felix Fontein: There is a question in Q&A | |
| 01:16:41.331,01:16:44.331 | |
| Carol Chen: Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/ansible/ | |
| 01:17:01.605,01:17:04.605 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: major, minor, micro (patch) | |
| 01:17:22.467,01:17:25.467 | |
| Abhijeet Kasurde: OK Cool | |
| 01:20:40.582,01:20:43.582 | |
| Sorin Ionuț Sbârnea: If ansible-core release x.y.123, how long until ansible-3.x makes a new release. My guess is that: it does not have to do one as it is not pinning the core patch version. | |
| 01:21:56.078,01:21:59.078 | |
| Gundalow Barker: FYI we are keeping a summary of the discussions at the end of https://hackmd.io/uZDSLOOdS1Kx0xfZVIATmQ | |
| The session is being recorded and will be on YouTube. There will be blog posts containing a summary of the discussions and call to actions. Subscribe to The Bullhorn to know when they are published https://us19.campaign-archive.com/home/?u=56d874e027110e35dea0e03c1&id=d6635f5420 | |
| 01:24:03.275,01:24:06.275 | |
| Daniel S: Thanks to all the speaker until now :) | |
| 01:24:37.128,01:24:40.128 | |
| Carol Chen: Thanks David, and thanks to everyone for the questions and discussions! | |
| 01:26:12.295,01:26:15.295 | |
| René Moser: @Carol, you might want to pause recording ;) | |
| 01:26:51.746,01:26:54.746 | |
| Carol Chen: Rene: I will pause at the munch hour :) (Recording has to be on for the chats to be logged, I think) | |
| 01:27:28.397,01:27:31.397 | |
| Abhijeet Kasurde: I need real (in-person) contributor summits | |
| 01:27:43.285,01:27:46.285 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Mr VMware: Me too | |
| 01:28:04.112,01:28:07.112 | |
| Gundalow Barker: FYI Greg's "The year in Review" presentation is now available on http://ansible.github.io/community/decks/2021-03-contrib-summit-stats-collections-1yr-review.html | |
| 01:28:09.619,01:28:12.619 | |
| Gundalow Barker: (Open source presentations) | |
| 01:33:12.614,01:33:15.614 | |
| Carol Chen: oh yes I miss in-person events terribly | |
| 01:34:43.983,01:34:46.983 | |
| Brian Coca: i prefer virtual, does not require having a dress code | |
| 01:35:10.215,01:35:13.215 | |
| Rick Elrod: I miss traveling in general. :( | |
| 01:36:08.198,01:36:11.198 | |
| Gregory Sutcliffe: i do not miss travelling. but being in other places, yes | |
| 01:36:40.655,01:36:43.655 | |
| Timothy Appnel: +1 to travel and in-person | |
| 01:36:58.412,01:37:01.412 | |
| Daniel S: Gregory, so next project teleportation? ;) | |
| 01:37:29.403,01:37:32.403 | |
| Carol Chen: teleporting would be cool | |
| 01:37:39.549,01:37:42.549 | |
| Gundalow Barker: 1 year 3 days since I was at Ansible and Red Hat offices | |
| 01:38:01.166,01:38:04.166 | |
| David Moreau Simard: While we are still in break, I encourage people to fill in a doc about contributor and maintainer experience for a discussion later: https://hackmd.io/z0LmOzdBSQ2MkecSIf5gxw | |
| 01:38:04.571,01:38:07.571 | |
| Gregory Sutcliffe: so the fun thing about teleporting is that it requires you to condone murder to achieve it :) | |
| 01:38:42.223,01:38:45.223 | |
| Carol Chen: lol | |
| 01:38:44.844,01:38:47.844 | |
| Gregory Sutcliffe: (heisenberg uncertainty principle will require that you exist in both praces briefly, and then one of you has to be destroyed | |
| 01:38:45.839,01:38:48.839 | |
| Carol Chen: but true | |
| 01:38:53.115,01:38:56.115 | |
| Gregory Sutcliffe: *places | |
| 01:39:09.696,01:39:12.696 | |
| Gundalow Barker: ================= | |
| 01:41:03.399,01:41:06.399 | |
| Gundalow Barker: QUESTION: Have people heard of Execution Enrotonments before? | |
| 01:42:22.396,01:42:25.396 | |
| Gundalow Barker: wow, nice typo there gundalow | |
| 01:42:22.597,01:42:25.597 | |
| Carol Chen: please vote in poll ^ | |
| 01:42:32.687,01:42:35.687 | |
| Amin Vakil: no, a couple of months before i saw ansible-builder and found it interesting, but never found time to search and learn it | |
| 01:43:03.730,01:43:06.730 | |
| Tadej Borovšak: I had to add a bit of metadata to one of our certified Ansible collections in order to be usable with ansible-builder. | |
| 01:43:12.401,01:43:15.401 | |
| Abhijeet Kasurde: no | |
| 01:45:03.975,01:45:06.975 | |
| David Moreau Simard: To my knowledge installing collections does *not* pull in python dependencies | |
| 01:45:32.739,01:45:35.739 | |
| Gundalow Barker: correct | |
| 01:45:47.047,01:45:50.047 | |
| Tadej Borovšak: @David Moreau Simard It does in the world of EE. Collection just need to declare them. | |
| 01:46:00.397,01:46:03.397 | |
| Felix Fontein: David: ansible-builder does that, if they are specified by the collection in a format it understands | |
| 01:46:03.472,01:46:06.472 | |
| David Moreau Simard: Through that requirements.txt file, yes ? | |
| 01:46:25.857,01:46:28.857 | |
| Felix Fontein: Is there some documentation for collection maintainers what they need to do to support ansible-builder? | |
| 01:46:39.377,01:46:42.377 | |
| Tadej Borovšak: requirements.txt is the default location, but it can be anything as long as it is specified in the metadata. | |
| 01:46:53.624,01:46:56.624 | |
| David Moreau Simard: ok | |
| 01:48:34.820,01:48:37.820 | |
| Tadej Borovšak: https://ansible-builder.readthedocs.io/en/latest/collection_metadata.html | |
| 01:49:52.366,01:49:55.366 | |
| Tadej Borovšak: The docs would benefit from expansion a bit (I had to read through the ansible-builder code to fill in all the details I needed), but the basic info is there. | |
| 01:49:56.722,01:49:59.722 | |
| Abhijeet Kasurde: Sleek | |
| 01:50:10.015,01:50:13.015 | |
| Abhijeet Kasurde: Thanks Nikhil | |
| 01:50:49.930,01:50:52.930 | |
| Aytunc Beken: Is it possible to bundle all playbooks and inventory in that docker image which we build with ansible-builder ? | |
| 01:50:54.402,01:50:57.402 | |
| Felix Fontein: Thanks! | |
| 01:52:02.224,01:52:05.224 | |
| Sorin Ionuț Sbârnea: AFAIK, this means that you will not be able to run/test your local ansible code without rebuilding the container first. | |
| 01:52:59.380,01:53:02.380 | |
| Aytunc Beken: Yes, my idea is to bundle and distribute that image which has everything in it. | |
| 01:53:01.174,01:53:04.174 | |
| Mark Chappell: It's really helpful where you also need to think about some of the more complex python dependencies. | |
| 01:55:40.081,01:55:43.081 | |
| Aytunc Beken: Got it, thanks | |
| 01:55:55.094,01:55:58.094 | |
| Timothy Appnel: Right Mark. Some organizations have dozens of different virtual environments each with dependencies. Those virtual environments are not portable either so each system has to be kept in sync. | |
| 01:56:59.052,01:57:02.052 | |
| Sorin Ionuț Sbârnea: Clearly it makes distribution of a specific collection/product easy. But i am not sure how this will play if you need to combine 5-10 complex collections into a single container. | |
| 01:58:08.273,01:58:11.273 | |
| Timothy Appnel: @sorin How is it different then complex virtual environments with 5-10 complex collections and all of their dependencies? | |
| 01:58:25.273,01:58:28.273 | |
| Sorin Ionuț Sbârnea: Assuming that we have teams producing container based environments for openshift, openstack,.... I can see them happy to produce these containers. Now, what if the customer wants to combine all of them,... into a single environment. | |
| 01:58:33.214,01:58:36.214 | |
| Brian Coca: containment does not mean it eliminates complexity, just that it is 'contained' | |
| 01:58:34.461,01:58:37.461 | |
| Timothy Appnel: There are many enterprise users already wrestling that now. | |
| 01:59:18.124,01:59:21.124 | |
| Sorin Ionuț Sbârnea: i can see how someone would endup struggling to combine two or more containers into one :p | |
| 01:59:50.417,01:59:53.417 | |
| Daniel S: Nikhil, are you on Twitter/having a blog or something? | |
| 01:59:53.157,01:59:56.157 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: @sorin - it is easier in the long-run, but harder in the short-term for other products integrating a containerized ansible | |
| 02:00:12.899,02:00:15.899 | |
| Gundalow Barker: ============== | |
| 02:00:24.410,02:00:27.410 | |
| Jesse Pretorius: if a custom dockerfile is used to layer containers then wouldn't that resolve the issue as long as they're using the same underlying python/ansible base? | |
| 02:00:47.049,02:00:50.049 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Follow along at home https://hackmd.io/z0LmOzdBSQ2MkecSIf5gxw?both | |
| 02:02:13.918,02:02:16.918 | |
| Gundalow Barker: This is an interactive topic. Please chat here , or feel free to unmute your microphone | |
| 02:02:31.261,02:02:34.261 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: @jesse - maybe? all depends what you consider the "source" container | |
| 02:03:03.069,02:03:06.069 | |
| Brian Coca: until the containers use conflicting versions of requests lib ... | |
| 02:03:05.379,02:03:08.379 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: if everyone is making their own base containers then there's not a lot of consistency | |
| 02:03:13.810,02:03:16.810 | |
| Nikhil Jain: Daniel, not a social media guy, but there is an existing blog for EE and builder here https://www.ansible.com/blog/introduction-to-ansible-builder | |
| 02:04:02.743,02:04:05.743 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: https://ansible-builder.readthedocs.io/en/latest/ | |
| 02:04:18.849,02:04:21.849 | |
| Gundalow Barker: QUESTION: What had caused you pain, what's been difficult, what has been difficult to understand | |
| 02:06:05.579,02:06:08.579 | |
| Timothy Appnel: IRC | |
| 02:06:25.346,02:06:28.346 | |
| Gregory Sutcliffe: matrix++ | |
| 02:06:52.888,02:06:55.888 | |
| René Moser: CI/CD | |
| 02:07:42.328,02:07:45.328 | |
| Sorin Ionuț Sbârnea: the path requirement was big PITA for development and required a lot of plumbing being added to molecule, ansiblel-lint and tox-ansible tools, just to bring the tested code into a form that is recognized by ansible. | |
| 02:08:06.571,02:08:09.571 | |
| Timothy Appnel: Sorin +1 | |
| 02:09:23.436,02:09:26.436 | |
| Sorin Ionuț Sbârnea: IMHO, the idea of "you must clone code to a magic location on disk" in order to be able run ansible-test, was.... a serious design flow. Still, I think it is fixable. | |
| 02:10:18.886,02:10:21.886 | |
| Tadej Borovšak: https://sensu.github.io/sensu-go-ansible/hacking.html | |
| 02:10:19.070,02:10:22.070 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Interactive Training Scenario. If you are new to contributing to Ansible it's really worth the 20 minutes to run through the session. It's all in the website so nothing needed on your computer. https://www.katacoda.com/ansible-community/scenarios/fixing-a-bug | |
| 02:11:42.913,02:11:45.913 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: will the docs split help here? | |
| 02:11:42.981,02:11:45.981 | |
| Sorin Ionuț Sbârnea: imho, I would personally focus on what bootstrapping steps we can avoid. That is even better than documenting them. If we endup with 100 steps very well documented, we may still fail to give an optimal developer experience. | |
| 02:12:18.721,02:12:21.721 | |
| Daniel S: for the "do you know/use" section: anyone aware of: https://github.com/fboender/ansible-cmdb | |
| 02:12:28.630,02:12:31.630 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: collection_prep helper for Galaxy? Would that help for docs in the meantime? | |
| 02:12:33.316,02:12:36.316 | |
| Sandra McCann: Andrius - there is still a lot of collection level info that is only in github right now. We haven't had the people to bring all that into docs.ansible.com yet | |
| 02:14:06.570,02:14:09.570 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: @Sandra - yeah, just wondering about this, thx | |
| 02:14:12.948,02:14:15.948 | |
| Timothy Appnel: there also a lot of areas of docs that are DYI -- there is no standard format place or format. for example, docs for a role. what variables does it use? what are their defaults? which are required? what does it even do? | |
| 02:14:35.335,02:14:38.335 | |
| Brian Coca: @tima role argspec in 2.11 | |
| 02:14:45.561,02:14:48.561 | |
| Timothy Appnel: hopefully that stuff goes into the README, but everyone does it differently. | |
| 02:14:46.133,02:14:49.133 | |
| Brian Coca: ansible-doc -t role rolename | |
| 02:15:12.968,02:15:15.968 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: @Tadej - where is the #1 place you'd expect the docs to be? Is this a "I can't find what I want" or "what in collection docs aren't enough and not consistent across the board?" | |
| 02:15:14.340,02:15:17.340 | |
| Timothy Appnel: hooray bcoca -- I've only been lobbying for that one for like 3 or 4 years. | |
| 02:15:20.906,02:15:23.906 | |
| Timothy Appnel: ;) | |
| 02:15:25.925,02:15:28.925 | |
| Brian Coca: tima my proposal is 6yrs old ... | |
| 02:15:33.629,02:15:36.629 | |
| Timothy Appnel: there you go. | |
| 02:15:43.769,02:15:46.769 | |
| Brian Coca: and we had 3 previous implementations ... | |
| 02:15:58.015,02:16:01.015 | |
| Brian Coca: but finally we got the 'official' and integrated one | |
| 02:17:17.949,02:17:20.949 | |
| Sorin Ionuț Sbârnea: I need to go now. I will try to connect from phone. | |
| 02:17:23.645,02:17:26.645 | |
| Timothy Appnel: does argspec cover anything more then args though? like what does the role do? | |
| 02:17:56.795,02:17:59.795 | |
| Sam Doran: @tima - No, it just validates inputs against the spec. | |
| 02:18:04.086,02:18:07.086 | |
| Sam Doran: Doesn't make any assertions about what the role does. | |
| 02:18:27.078,02:18:30.078 | |
| Tadej Borovšak: @Andrius Benokraitis In the ideal case, I would see the docs on Ansible Galaxy just like I can see the docs in the AH for example. | |
| 02:18:44.247,02:18:47.247 | |
| Timothy Appnel: @sdoran does ansible-doc generate some docs off of that spec? | |
| 02:19:16.189,02:19:19.189 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: @Tadej, agreed, the product team has been using this in the meantime: https://github.com/ansible-network/collection_prep/ | |
| 02:19:23.307,02:19:26.307 | |
| Brian Coca: it displays them and there is --json, but no html yet , if that is what you are asking | |
| 02:19:30.955,02:19:33.955 | |
| Sam Doran: @tima - Yes. | |
| 02:20:16.717,02:20:19.717 | |
| Daniel S: https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/devel/dev_guide/developing_collections.html | |
| 02:20:19.905,02:20:22.905 | |
| Sandra McCann: @Timothy - my understanding was that a docs section would be eventually added to the role argspec (much like docs are handled in plugins)... but that was an old old comment so it may not still be on the roadmap | |
| 02:20:28.739,02:20:31.739 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: yes | |
| 02:21:10.913,02:21:13.913 | |
| Sam Doran: @tima - Here's the docs on it: https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/devel/user_guide/playbooks_reuse_roles.html#role-argument-validation | |
| 02:21:14.974,02:21:17.974 | |
| Brian Coca: ansible-galaxy init -p /path/to/role | |
| 02:22:21.367,02:22:24.367 | |
| Brian Coca: github.com/ansible/proposals | |
| 02:23:01.730,02:23:04.730 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: Is someone looking at ansible/proposals now? If not, then we should not point people at that | |
| 02:23:39.650,02:23:42.650 | |
| Brian Coca: yes | |
| 02:24:19.533,02:24:22.533 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: you need a role init from within a collection init? | |
| 02:24:21.987,02:24:24.987 | |
| Brian Coca: ansible-galaxy init -p <collection>/roles/rolename | |
| 02:25:36.023,02:25:39.023 | |
| Brian Coca: argspec is still in devel, will be out in next release | |
| 02:25:54.815,02:25:57.815 | |
| Amin Vakil: i had a problem just yesterday with redhat containers, i'm not sure about licensing of redhat and whether there is a license which can be used for ansible-test integration test | |
| 02:26:58.024,02:27:01.024 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Amin: No license to use ansible-test | |
| 02:27:13.841,02:27:16.841 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Though I maybe missreading your question | |
| 02:27:42.038,02:27:45.038 | |
| Amin Vakil: my PR passed centos 8, but it didn't pass rhel 8, although i could realize after some time what is the problem | |
| 02:28:05.862,02:28:08.862 | |
| Amin Vakil: i wanted to know if there is going to be a rhel image which can be used with ansible-test integration --docker rhel8 or something like that | |
| 02:29:20.890,02:29:23.890 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: @Amin: RHEL images can't be re-distributed due to the EULA. If you are a Red Hat Technology Partner there are different claims that we can talk about offline. | |
| 02:30:06.664,02:30:09.664 | |
| Amin Vakil: i'm not, i have to restart ci in my PR then which is fine, thanks! | |
| 02:30:27.404,02:30:30.404 | |
| Gundalow Barker: For the Collection Repositories under github.com/ansible-collections we (Red Hat) provide CI that allows you to run PRS against various operating systems including RHEL | |
| 02:30:34.866,02:30:37.866 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: you can try a Developer subscription with RHEL | |
| 02:30:57.508,02:31:00.508 | |
| Amin Vakil: i have a developer subscription, can it be used with ansible-test integration somehow? | |
| 02:31:11.812,02:31:14.812 | |
| Jeff Geerling: Sounds good, I'm just getting everything set up for the day :D | |
| 02:31:16.892,02:31:19.892 | |
| Brian Coca: I was going to let him think we just went quiet cause he joined! | |
| 02:31:22.325,02:31:25.325 | |
| Jeff Geerling: lol | |
| 02:31:25.227,02:31:28.227 | |
| Daniel S: :'D | |
| 02:31:25.540,02:31:28.540 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: @amin: https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/new-year-new-red-hat-enterprise-linux-programs-easier-ways-access-rhel | |
| 02:31:25.913,02:31:28.913 | |
| Brian Coca: ;-p | |
| 02:31:28.757,02:31:31.757 | |
| David Moreau Simard: yeah exactly what I didn't want to happen lol | |
| 02:32:29.606,02:32:32.606 | |
| Timothy Appnel: we need some music during the break. ;) | |
| 02:32:33.446,02:32:36.446 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: @Amin should Just Work if you have a valid RHEL Developer subscription pulling from RHEL repos, and then setting up Ansible on top | |
| 02:32:46.786,02:32:49.786 | |
| Carol Chen: anyone wants to play some music? :) | |
| 02:32:50.125,02:32:53.125 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: is it too early for karaoke | |
| 02:33:02.482,02:33:05.482 | |
| Amin Vakil: @andrius, it's not as easy as ansible-test integration --docker for sure :) | |
| 02:33:06.381,02:33:09.381 | |
| Brian Coca: final 'cut' | |
| 02:33:10.473,02:33:13.473 | |
| Timothy Appnel: boo! | |
| 02:33:26.080,02:33:29.080 | |
| Gagan Deep: NCS for the win! | |
| 02:33:30.582,02:33:33.582 | |
| Timothy Appnel: kumbaya... | |
| 02:33:38.827,02:33:41.827 | |
| Brian Scholer: brb pitch shifting "Never gonna give you up" | |
| 02:33:42.380,02:33:45.380 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: @amin you can try the UBI8 images on registry.redhat.io if you have a login | |
| 02:33:51.172,02:33:54.172 | |
| Amin Vakil: letting ci test the PR is easier than running an rhel instance | |
| 02:33:56.816,02:33:59.816 | |
| Timothy Appnel: 99 bottles of beers on the wall... | |
| 02:34:05.424,02:34:08.424 | |
| Daniel S: Andrius: afaik one cannot install additonal packages to it, when not running on rhel | |
| 02:34:13.283,02:34:16.283 | |
| Brian Coca: 99 empty bottles of beer on the wall ... | |
| 02:34:19.305,02:34:22.305 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: but if you have a RHEL developer sub you can AFAIK | |
| 02:34:30.158,02:34:33.158 | |
| Daniel S: sure, but not in azure, github, travis ^^ | |
| 02:34:31.108,02:34:34.108 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: you just can't redistribute the product | |
| 02:34:35.011,02:34:38.011 | |
| Ton Kersten: Carol: Check Jamulus. Special made for this | |
| 02:35:01.091,02:35:04.091 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: yup, that's a known issue per RHEL folks | |
| 02:35:07.283,02:35:10.283 | |
| Amin Vakil: i have only a free developer program, i'm not sure if i can use that, | |
| 02:35:42.234,02:35:45.234 | |
| Sam Doran: For the RHEL tests in CI, we actually use a VM on AWS. It's not a container. | |
| 02:36:16.022,02:36:19.022 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: seems like an opinionated "building an Ansible CI system" would be a good topic for one of these events :-) | |
| 02:36:27.963,02:36:30.963 | |
| Daniel S: would be terrific | |
| 02:37:20.640,02:37:23.640 | |
| Sam Doran: That's how we handle the registration challenge in Ansible CI. | |
| 02:37:59.272,02:38:02.272 | |
| Amin Vakil: @samdoran: ansible-test integration --color -v --retry-on-error shippable/posix/group1/ --coverage-check --changed --allow-unstable-changed --python 3.6 --remote rhel/8.3 --remote-terminate always --remote-stage prod --remote-provider default | |
| 02:38:04.844,02:38:07.844 | |
| Carol Chen: brb grabbing a snack | |
| 02:38:21.516,02:38:24.516 | |
| Amin Vakil: this is what i see in azure, it's not using docker then | |
| 02:38:23.320,02:38:26.320 | |
| Amin Vakil: i didn't know that | |
| 02:38:57.951,02:39:00.951 | |
| Jeff Goldschrafe: My favorite HP/E server story: once upon a time, by talking to the person who talked to the person who put the server orders in with a hosting company, I managed to spot a bug in an HP configuration tool used by their sales engineers that resulted in at least 10,000 servers being shipped with memory configurations | |
| 02:39:14.600,02:39:17.600 | |
| Jeff Goldschrafe: incorrect memory configurations* | |
| 02:43:38.498,02:43:41.498 | |
| Gagan Deep: wow! | |
| 02:43:42.982,02:43:45.982 | |
| Joanna Delaporte: That sounds like a great way to diagnose a RAID. | |
| 02:44:00.380,02:44:03.380 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Joanna Delaporte Hi :) | |
| 02:44:03.973,02:44:06.973 | |
| Joanna Delaporte: I have made educated guesses based on drive temp. | |
| 02:44:11.920,02:44:14.920 | |
| Joanna Delaporte: Hi John! | |
| 02:45:03.897,02:45:06.897 | |
| James Cammarata: different expectations re: screaming at computers in the age of alexa... | |
| 02:45:08.766,02:45:11.766 | |
| Sam Doran: @Amin - I think the best way would be make a local RHEL VM, which you could register with your dev subscription if needed. Then just run the test locally inside that VM. That's more or less what ansible-test is (currently) doing: copying the code into the RHEL VM and running it against localhost. | |
| 02:46:08.547,02:46:11.547 | |
| Sam Doran: @Amin - I can help you out if you get stuck. Just ping me on IRC (sdoran). | |
| 02:47:17.071,02:47:20.071 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: Hey Joanna! | |
| 02:48:03.760,02:48:06.760 | |
| Joanna Delaporte: Is it still called a class action when the lawsuit is filed against the public? | |
| 02:48:04.074,02:48:07.074 | |
| Carol Chen: For those who just joined, we are having a longer break (30 min left). Feel free to chat and socialise in the meantime, just like during lunch/coffee breaks. | |
| 02:48:16.979,02:48:19.979 | |
| Joanna Delaporte: Instead of the other way around? | |
| 02:49:22.417,02:49:25.417 | |
| Sam Doran: Hey Joanna! 👋 | |
| 02:49:23.539,02:49:26.539 | |
| Amin Vakil: @Sam: thanks! i think i have to do it at last, as i'm mostly working with issues and pull requests which work with rhel-based distros, and later on i don't know if centos 8 stream is going to be included in integration tests of it (as it changes a lot because of its concept) | |
| 02:49:34.000,02:49:37.000 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: I think people are suing robinhood. | |
| 02:50:47.224,02:50:50.224 | |
| Amin Vakil: is c8s going to be included in ansible distro test containers? | |
| 02:52:05.611,02:52:08.611 | |
| Brian Coca: though i doubt that suit is going to succeed, both the EULA and SEC rules cover the company | |
| 02:53:12.956,02:53:15.956 | |
| Brian Coca: unless someone sent a very stupid email that is found during discovery (has happened before), it will be really hard for suit to go forward | |
| 02:54:59.119,02:55:02.119 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: If chance of success were a requirement for filing a lawsuit, Rudy Giuliani would have been out of a job months earlioer. | |
| 02:55:06.417,02:55:09.417 | |
| Sam Doran: @Amin - Yes, we plan to keep on testing with CentOS 8. I don't think there will a separate Stream image. We'll just update the base image to the latest CentOS 8 whenever our test image needs updating. | |
| 02:56:32.795,02:56:35.795 | |
| Amin Vakil: aha, so if i understood correctly current centos8 image's base is going to be changed to stream at the end of 2021 where centos 8 will not get any updates anymore? | |
| 02:56:37.124,02:56:40.124 | |
| Brian Coca: hehe, true, that is why they filed, i'm just saying they have little chance of success | |
| 02:57:22.404,02:57:25.404 | |
| Brian Coca: /me files lawsuit against british royalty for not recognizing him as emperor | |
| 02:58:15.831,02:58:18.831 | |
| Joanna Delaporte: I have a couple hours of training to attend. I plan to drop in again later. | |
| 02:59:50.277,02:59:53.277 | |
| Jeff Goldschrafe: Also have a couple meetings, popping back in about an hour! | |
| 03:00:06.723,03:00:09.723 | |
| Brian Coca: <= world of warcraft | |
| 03:00:39.508,03:00:42.508 | |
| Brian Coca: oxigen not included | |
| 03:00:49.150,03:00:52.150 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: loop hero! | |
| 03:00:57.848,03:01:00.848 | |
| Sorin Ionuț Sbârnea: gta 3.0 (go to ansible)? | |
| 03:00:58.309,03:01:01.309 | |
| James Cammarata: Ansible Twitch Summit | |
| 03:01:30.006,03:01:33.006 | |
| Brian Coca: rimworld! | |
| 03:01:57.961,03:02:00.961 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: astroneers? | |
| 03:02:27.079,03:02:30.079 | |
| Brian Coca: factorio is great way to find 'spaghetti programming' | |
| 03:03:17.052,03:03:20.052 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: did not expect this to happen | |
| 03:03:34.111,03:03:37.111 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: <insert I love this community meme> | |
| 03:03:59.725,03:04:02.725 | |
| Carol Chen: <3 | |
| 03:04:08.638,03:04:11.638 | |
| Brian Coca: he, im opposite, i cannot learn unless i visualize | |
| 03:05:53.131,03:05:56.131 | |
| Carol Chen: greg's caricature: https://twitter.com/Gwmngilfen/photo | |
| 03:06:00.471,03:06:03.471 | |
| Sam Doran: @Amin - Maybe, maybe not. We update our test images on an informal, as needed schedule. Currently we are using 8.2.2004. The latest tag is 8.3.2011, which is not stream. We will use whatever the latest version tag is when we update the base image. I imagine that will eventually be stream. | |
| 03:06:05.404,03:06:08.404 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: @gregory did you also play the DLC? it is amazing | |
| 03:06:13.443,03:06:16.443 | |
| Brian Coca: entertainment! | |
| 03:06:18.237,03:06:21.237 | |
| Brian Coca: love the 'gopher power' | |
| 03:06:30.853,03:06:33.853 | |
| Brian Coca: s/gopher/hamster/ | |
| 03:06:47.030,03:06:50.030 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: you have multiple asteroids and rocket transit | |
| 03:07:01.342,03:07:04.342 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: so much suffocation | |
| 03:08:25.860,03:08:28.860 | |
| Carol Chen: oops forgot I was sharing that window. sorry for dropping the timer for a minute there | |
| 03:12:27.785,03:12:30.785 | |
| Ton Kersten: I'm gonna call it a day. Hope to see you IRL real soon | |
| 03:12:33.948,03:12:36.948 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: I would watch it | |
| 03:12:45.998,03:12:48.998 | |
| Brian Coca: you need lots of water to stream .. dry mouth .. | |
| 03:14:26.900,03:14:29.900 | |
| Sam Doran: @Amin - I updated our base images a while ago to use a specific version tag. The CentOS repo currently has “stream” and “stream8” tags. I’m not sure if they plan to add version tags for stream or just move those “stream” tags, much like “latest”. If they don't offer specific version tags, then I suppose we'll have to move to using the "stream" tag. But we haven't really discussed it. | |
| 03:15:08.281,03:15:11.281 | |
| Sam Doran: Hallway track is the best. I miss being with you all IRL. | |
| 03:15:28.829,03:15:31.829 | |
| Brian Coca: ended up talking about how to most efficiently kill chickens in elevator with fellow person that grew up on farm ... rest of peopel in elevator ran off as soon as doors opened | |
| 03:15:34.069,03:15:37.069 | |
| Carol Chen: Thanks for joining Ton, see you soon! | |
| 03:16:00.579,03:16:03.579 | |
| Carol Chen: we'll be resuming in about 2 minutes | |
| 03:17:26.929,03:17:29.929 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: I can barely hear it | |
| 03:18:05.121,03:18:08.121 | |
| Gagan Deep: Clacky keyboards creates Keyboard ASMR | |
| 03:18:15.167,03:18:18.167 | |
| Brian Coca: now you paste sponsored link to game purchase | |
| 03:18:25.188,03:18:28.188 | |
| Sam Doran: I found clacky keyboards to be soothing. But I don't really hear it. | |
| 03:18:53.771,03:18:56.771 | |
| Gregory Sutcliffe: brian: klei make all their games available for linux, go buy them ;) | |
| 03:19:01.563,03:19:04.563 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: dont forget to subscribe and hit the vell!!! | |
| 03:19:08.275,03:19:11.275 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: *bell | |
| 03:19:35.511,03:19:38.511 | |
| Amin Vakil: @sam gotcha, thanks! | |
| 03:21:11.041,03:21:14.041 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Brad is currently presenting https://github.com/ansible/community/wiki/Network%3A2021-Spring-Roadmap | |
| 03:21:20.679,03:21:23.679 | |
| Sam Doran: @Amin - You can always reach out to me on IRC with more questions. It's complicated. 🤪 | |
| 03:21:21.502,03:21:24.502 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: TL;DR: resource modules vs. command/config modules (basically) | |
| 03:22:03.488,03:22:06.488 | |
| Sam Doran: Resource modules are so awesome. | |
| 03:23:49.786,03:23:52.786 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: FYI there are lots of blogs on resource modules on ansible.com/blog | |
| 03:24:12.551,03:24:15.551 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: Return values: https://www.ansible.com/blog/ansible-network-resource-modules-deep-dive-on-return-values | |
| 03:24:59.814,03:25:02.814 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: vlans resource module: https://www.ansible.com/blog/deep-dive-on-vlans-resource-modules-for-network-automation | |
| 03:25:41.962,03:25:44.962 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: Cisco ASA ACLs resource module: https://www.ansible.com/blog/ansible-security-automation-resource-modules | |
| 03:26:14.619,03:26:17.619 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: Deep dive on ACLs resource module: https://www.ansible.com/blog/deep-dive-acl-configuration-management-using-ansible-network-automation-resource-modules | |
| 03:26:42.424,03:26:45.424 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: Getting started with OSPFv2 resource module: https://www.ansible.com/blog/getting-started-with-ospfv2-resource-modules | |
| 03:26:49.401,03:26:52.401 | |
| James Cassell (cyberpear): too bad about "single user mode" overload of meaning vs Linux | |
| 03:28:19.730,03:28:22.730 | |
| James Cassell (cyberpear): does that muck w/ BSD licensed modules licensing? or no concern since it's optional? | |
| 03:29:03.369,03:29:06.369 | |
| Brian Coca: no, being imported wont, only time you are affected is when you yourself import gpl code | |
| 03:29:12.733,03:29:15.733 | |
| Brian Coca: opposite direction | |
| 03:30:29.750,03:30:32.750 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: cyberpear: BSD (w/out ad clause), no. But it sounds like it could open the door to new licensing issues. | |
| 03:31:54.504,03:31:57.504 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: "Are you using network resource modules?" poll just landed | |
| 03:32:02.996,03:32:05.996 | |
| Gundalow Barker: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | |
| 03:32:36.460,03:32:39.460 | |
| Gundalow Barker: DING DING DING We'd really appreciate people taking the time to do the Polls in Google Meet (top right of the chat window) | |
| 03:39:28.848,03:39:31.848 | |
| Mark Chappell: I've done things like this in custom (local) modules before. | |
| 03:40:49.973,03:40:52.973 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: cyberpear: you forgot to unclick the "raise hand" button | |
| 03:41:04.988,03:41:07.988 | |
| James Cassell (cyberpear): thx | |
| 03:41:45.473,03:41:48.473 | |
| Gundalow Barker: ============================== | |
| 03:42:55.477,03:42:58.477 | |
| Sagi Shnaidman: In openstack we use launchpad teams and that works fine | |
| 03:43:29.884,03:43:32.884 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Sagi that's good feedback, thank you. Do you have a dedicated bot/service account for automated builds? | |
| 03:44:33.578,03:44:36.578 | |
| Sagi Shnaidman: @gundalow, we use launchpad as a bugtracker only though | |
| 03:44:40.476,03:44:43.476 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: sshnaid: The problem right now is we need to have a launchpad user converted into a team. | |
| 03:45:24.887,03:45:27.887 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: (Waiting on launchpad admins to do that for us) | |
| 03:47:40.916,03:47:43.916 | |
| Sagi Shnaidman: FYI we have RPMs for each collection in Fedora? | |
| 03:47:54.237,03:47:57.237 | |
| Daniel S: hopefully not | |
| 03:48:30.234,03:48:33.234 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Anyone interested in helping with packaging? | |
| 03:49:29.394,03:49:32.394 | |
| David Moreau Simard: @Sagi not yet that I know of | |
| 03:49:33.966,03:49:36.966 | |
| Sagi Shnaidman: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/search?terms=ansible-collection*&type=package&match=glob | |
| 03:49:58.245,03:50:01.245 | |
| Anastasios Lisgaras: Are there any notes/documents on how we can help? | |
| 03:50:05.430,03:50:08.430 | |
| Sam Doran: Truth! | |
| 03:50:21.193,03:50:24.193 | |
| Sam Doran: Doesn't everyone just run Ansible from source? | |
| 03:50:23.080,03:50:26.080 | |
| Sagi Shnaidman: @David, I'm in the process of packaging last collection in Fedora now: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1927697 | |
| 03:50:28.953,03:50:31.953 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: is this ansible and ansible-core both on PPA? | |
| 03:50:34.472,03:50:37.472 | |
| Daniel S: @gundalow: For fedora? Currently, the server WG is somewhat "re-defining" itseölf. Not sure, if there is much attention to ansible for a while (server wise). It may be another story for workstation. | |
| 03:51:14.502,03:51:17.502 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: andrius: yes. Right now ansible-base is in PPA but not ansible. | |
| 03:51:48.360,03:51:51.360 | |
| David Moreau Simard: @Sagi I think the intention for Fedora is to package the collections that are included in the Ansible community package but it's still very WIP | |
| 03:52:31.530,03:52:34.530 | |
| Brian Coca: distributions are much more conservative on versions | |
| 03:53:05.178,03:53:08.178 | |
| Amin Vakil: debian is on 2.7.7 on buster (stable) :) | |
| https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=ansible | |
| 03:53:08.390,03:53:11.390 | |
| Felix Fontein: Debian currently has Ansible 2.7 on buster (stable): https://packages.debian.org/buster/ansible | |
| 03:53:42.803,03:53:45.803 | |
| Deric Crago: what I've done for testing so far (not official): https://github.com/dericcrago/ansible.ppa/tree/main/.github/workflows -> https://launchpad.net/~deric.crago | |
| 03:54:03.519,03:54:06.519 | |
| Amin Vakil: thanks! | |
| 03:54:32.332,03:54:35.332 | |
| Gundalow Barker: ================================================== | |
| 03:56:33.917,03:56:36.917 | |
| Carol Chen: https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/ | |
| 03:56:37.419,03:56:40.419 | |
| Carol Chen: https://docs.ansible.com/ansible-core/ | |
| 03:58:46.553,03:58:49.553 | |
| Brian Scholer: 👏 | |
| 03:59:20.386,03:59:23.386 | |
| Brian Coca: cyan and black stickers! | |
| 04:01:12.562,04:01:15.562 | |
| Cruz Pitre: Exactly; what are we doing for search between the sites? | |
| 04:02:52.076,04:02:55.076 | |
| Alicia Cozine: Agenda for the Docs Working Group: https://github.com/ansible/community/issues/579 | |
| 04:03:36.878,04:03:39.878 | |
| Cruz Pitre: The "edit in github" functionality available, or planned? | |
| 04:04:28.192,04:04:31.192 | |
| Cruz Pitre: Thanks for both answers!! | |
| 04:04:34.125,04:04:37.125 | |
| Brian Scholer: I wonder if it could be a field in plugin/module docstrings, to signal or provide a URL for editing | |
| 04:04:52.322,04:04:55.322 | |
| Alicia Cozine: interesting idea Brian | |
| 04:05:03.474,04:05:06.474 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Brian: It's possible, we do know the namespace and collection name | |
| 04:05:03.885,04:05:06.885 | |
| Alicia Cozine: definitely bring it to the DaWGs meeting if you can | |
| 04:05:32.335,04:05:35.335 | |
| Carol Chen: go DaWGs! | |
| 04:05:33.018,04:05:36.018 | |
| Brian Scholer: sure will do, I usually attend (@briantist) but I'm often in other meetings simultaneously 😅 | |
| 04:05:56.909,04:05:59.909 | |
| Felix Fontein: The situation is more tricky for collections like community.general, where symlinks / redirects hide the real path of modules. | |
| 04:05:59.240,04:06:02.240 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Though we may need to hardcode (or do a lookup at docs build time) for the mapping from Collection name to GitHub Repo. I believe that data is available via the Galaxy API | |
| 04:05:59.500,04:06:02.500 | |
| Daniel S: have to drop off for now, but will be beack 17:30 UTC. Thanks a all :) | |
| 04:06:15.053,04:06:18.053 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Daniel: Thank you for being here | |
| 04:06:24.752,04:06:27.752 | |
| Carol Chen: thanks, see you Daniel! | |
| 04:06:53.032,04:06:56.032 | |
| Carol Chen: maybe we can play the ansible song | |
| 04:07:30.143,04:07:33.143 | |
| Carol Chen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NpqPEGLAo8o&ab_channel=KarolyVEGH | |
| 04:09:36.549,04:09:39.549 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: github repo url is optional metadata | |
| 04:09:54.224,04:09:57.224 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: and it might not even point to github | |
| 04:10:14.918,04:10:17.918 | |
| Jeff Geerling: @Gregory - if in OBS, you'd need to go to advanced audio properties on that channel and then select the option to monitor and send through stream | |
| 04:10:26.003,04:10:29.003 | |
| Jeff Geerling: then you can monitor in headphones while it is also streamed out | |
| 04:10:39.180,04:10:42.180 | |
| Jeff Geerling: (just don't do that through speakers with a mic, instant feedback loop :D) | |
| 04:10:55.455,04:10:58.455 | |
| Jeff Geerling: This is the community content we need. | |
| 04:11:27.806,04:11:30.806 | |
| Anastasios Lisgaras: Gregory you are fantastic! | |
| 04:11:30.043,04:11:33.043 | |
| Anastasios Lisgaras: xaxa thank you! :-) | |
| 04:11:33.415,04:11:36.415 | |
| David Moreau Simard: Great song :p There was also the pep8 song recently https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgI0p1zf31k | |
| 04:11:39.061,04:11:42.061 | |
| Anastasios Lisgaras: Very nice!! | |
| 04:11:58.764,04:12:01.764 | |
| Lydie Mode-Malivert: Nice! | |
| 04:12:24.111,04:12:27.111 | |
| Jeff Geerling: aaah... | |
| 04:12:32.241,04:12:35.241 | |
| Jeff Geerling: application audio capture can be funky | |
| 04:18:35.178,04:18:38.178 | |
| Timothy Appnel: Question: what is the recommended way to disambiguate "ansible" in a general sense (community+product+language) from the community distribution since it is not supposed to be referred to as ACD or the like? I trip over my words communicating which of these I'm referring to currently. | |
| 04:19:38.658,04:19:41.658 | |
| Gundalow Barker: ========================= | |
| 04:19:40.894,04:19:43.894 | |
| David Moreau Simard: @Tim good question I don't have an answer for but worth discussing | |
| 04:21:37.858,04:21:40.858 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: @tima: ansible project or ansible ecosystem if you want to mean "everything" | |
| 04:22:44.346,04:22:47.346 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: I use "ansible package" most of the time when refering to the ansible package on pypi since I never knwo if I'm talking to someone who uses ansible to mean ansible-core. | |
| 04:23:12.638,04:23:15.638 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: a survery about the survey ;-) | |
| 04:23:48.217,04:23:51.217 | |
| Brad Thornton: I've switched to referring to it as "Ansible package" when referring to the community distribution, because gundalow told me to. | |
| 04:25:23.185,04:25:26.185 | |
| Timothy Appnel: ACD would have been so much easier since it describes to anyone exactly what it is. :/ | |
| 04:26:42.191,04:26:45.191 | |
| David Moreau Simard: The name of the actual package is ansible, though, not acd -- so referring to it as the ansible package is not wrong | |
| 04:27:10.058,04:27:13.058 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: yeah, referring to it as acd would be really confusing since the package name is ansible. | |
| 04:27:59.211,04:28:02.211 | |
| Gundalow Barker: https://emeraldreverie.org/2021/02/23/docs-survey-2020-results/ | |
| 04:28:47.276,04:28:50.276 | |
| Sagi Shnaidman: 'package' may refer to RPM package as well, which can confuse.. | |
| 04:30:07.018,04:30:10.018 | |
| Alicia Cozine: https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/collections/index_module.html | |
| 04:30:17.988,04:30:20.988 | |
| Alicia Cozine: https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/collections/all_plugins.html | |
| 04:33:39.647,04:33:42.647 | |
| Brian Coca: also ansible package for <=2.9 very diff than ansible package for >=2.10 | |
| 04:33:41.398,04:33:44.398 | |
| Brian Scholer: I honestly don't remember if I took the survey 😭it's something I would've responded to if I saw it.. but I have no memory of it.. which is more an indictment of my memory than anything else | |
| 04:33:55.878,04:33:58.878 | |
| Gundalow Barker: DING DING DING: Please take the time to do the Poll. Top right of the chat window the Triangle, Square, Circle icon | |
| 04:34:11.982,04:34:14.982 | |
| Jesse Pretorius: I barely recall what I had for breakfast. :p | |
| 04:34:26.447,04:34:29.447 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: for end user experience, the ansible package for 2.9 and 2.10 should be almost the same (about the same as 2.8 and 2.9( | |
| 04:36:53.333,04:36:56.333 | |
| Cruz Pitre: lol @gundalow all good so far. | |
| 04:40:00.642,04:40:03.642 | |
| Gundalow Barker: ========================== | |
| 04:40:09.735,04:40:12.735 | |
| James Cammarata: we're doin it live! | |
| 04:40:25.679,04:40:28.679 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: https://github.com/ansible/ansible/blob/devel/docs/docsite/rst/roadmap/ROADMAP_2_11.rst | |
| 04:41:52.826,04:41:55.826 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: The docs page is https://docs.ansible.com/ansible-core/devel/roadmap/ROADMAP_2_11.html | |
| 04:42:10.531,04:42:13.531 | |
| David Moreau Simard: 2.11 will also ship improvements to make it easier to run with (or without!) selinux/yum/dnf/apt libs that tend to be an issue when running out of virtualenvs and stuff like that | |
| 04:45:06.091,04:45:09.091 | |
| James Cassell (cyberpear): drawbacks of using ctypes? | |
| 04:45:14.209,04:45:17.209 | |
| James Cassell (cyberpear): vs SELinux python deps? | |
| 04:45:33.064,04:45:36.064 | |
| Matt Davis: I can talk about that in a bit if there's time | |
| 04:47:41.345,04:47:44.345 | |
| Brian Coca: xml_file ... | |
| 04:47:44.622,04:47:47.622 | |
| James Cassell (cyberpear): selogin, seboolean would need the respawn? | |
| 04:47:53.439,04:47:56.439 | |
| Matt Davis: correct | |
| 04:49:25.226,04:49:28.226 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: happy to hear about backporting | |
| 04:49:37.734,04:49:40.734 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Thoughts, comments, concerns? | |
| 04:51:34.006,04:51:37.006 | |
| Brian Coca: still trying to mount flamethrower on pitchfork | |
| 04:51:48.052,04:51:51.052 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: dropping py27 all ok, going directly to py38 -- will prevent rhel 8 users from using newer ansible too. | |
| 04:52:21.877,04:52:24.877 | |
| Sam Doran: Python 3.8 is available on RHEL 8. | |
| 04:52:46.015,04:52:49.015 | |
| David Moreau Simard: available != default | |
| 04:53:02.607,04:53:05.607 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: exactly, default matters | |
| 04:53:26.903,04:53:29.903 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: especially as this is directly related to ability to produce rpms./ | |
| 04:53:30.791,04:53:33.791 | |
| Matt Davis: Default matters for targets, not for controllers. None of our other deps are there by default either, yet it works... | |
| 04:53:36.934,04:53:39.934 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: not anymore, with the respawning work done | |
| 04:53:50.437,04:53:53.437 | |
| Matt Davis: Yeah, that was why the respawn needed to happen | |
| 04:54:09.449,04:54:12.449 | |
| Matt Davis: (still only for controller though- it already would've worked fine as a target, since we're not touching the target Python versions) | |
| 04:55:25.246,04:55:28.246 | |
| Rick Elrod: @Sorin it is available as an AppStream by default. You can `dnf install python38` on a fresh RHEL 8 box (with AppStream enabled) without needing to do anything fancy or enable any modules or anything. | |
| 04:56:18.509,04:56:21.509 | |
| Matt Davis: (sidecar also a win for non-Python plugins, of which there are ever more) | |
| 04:56:33.147,04:56:36.147 | |
| Brian Coca: the sidecar currently is the .py file | |
| 04:58:39.504,04:58:42.504 | |
| Matt Davis: we doubled-dog-dared him | |
| 04:59:17.817,04:59:20.817 | |
| Felix Fontein: more tooling is always great :) | |
| 05:01:13.574,05:01:16.574 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: sure we have phillips, Pozidriv, ... | |
| 05:01:14.849,05:01:17.849 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: Sorta security only... since it's also getting targetted backports of new features, right? | |
| 05:01:44.533,05:01:47.533 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: Ah, okay :-) | |
| 05:02:03.046,05:02:06.046 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: "Never say never again" ;-) | |
| 05:02:32.197,05:02:35.197 | |
| Rick Elrod: Yeah, so one more bugfix release cycle for 2.9 as of right now. So if anyone needs anything in before it goes security-only, do that soon :) | |
| 05:02:35.796,05:02:38.796 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: My my concern is that any tooling that works only with the shiny/bleeding edge ansible, will have low chances of being adopted by most users. | |
| 05:03:08.264,05:03:11.264 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: the policy of no feature backporting is in direct conflict with tooling concept. | |
| 05:03:32.504,05:03:35.504 | |
| Timothy Appnel: sorin +1 | |
| 05:03:47.322,05:03:50.322 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: https://hynek.me/articles/semver-will-not-save-you/ | |
| 05:03:59.602,05:04:02.602 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: yeah good article and very real | |
| 05:03:59.941,05:04:02.941 | |
| Brian Coca: we do follow 'kindof' semver just shifted by 1 | |
| 05:04:36.365,05:04:39.365 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: i need to add a shortcut for a quick reply to anyone that advocates SemVer too agresively. | |
| 05:05:40.790,05:05:43.790 | |
| Brian Coca: its our version of perl's 'fixed in six' | |
| 05:06:50.342,05:06:53.342 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: so no plans to rewrite ansible core in rust? ;) | |
| 05:07:00.381,05:07:03.381 | |
| James Cammarata: i did it in golang already... | |
| 05:07:04.914,05:07:07.914 | |
| Brian Coca: zig, rust is too old now | |
| 05:07:08.426,05:07:11.426 | |
| Gundalow Barker: I think Sivel has a fork. Jimi has a golang | |
| 05:07:08.819,05:07:11.819 | |
| James Cammarata: that was enough | |
| 05:07:22.610,05:07:25.610 | |
| Brian Coca: there are 5 haskell ports ... | |
| 05:08:50.664,05:08:53.664 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: So I will go for an Swift approach,... you know to get both scripting and compiled,... | |
| 05:09:17.818,05:09:20.818 | |
| Felix Fontein: let's do a javascript port, then you can just run it in a browser | |
| 05:09:21.944,05:09:24.944 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: could always write a random new ansible version package name generator in rust | |
| 05:10:14.474,05:10:17.474 | |
| Alicia Cozine: or a choose-your-own-language release, with competitions among ^^^ | |
| 05:10:22.776,05:10:25.776 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: Eh, that blog post starts out with a false statement at the very beginning. | |
| 05:10:24.428,05:10:27.428 | |
| Felix Fontein: var Ansible = function() { return { 'main': function() { ... } } } | |
| 05:11:28.639,05:11:31.639 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: my big dilemma is which is going to be the nam of the core package in 2 years from now? ansible-nucleus, ansible-boson? | |
| 05:11:34.100,05:11:37.100 | |
| Felix Fontein: Toshio: which statement do you mean? Having tuples of integers? | |
| 05:11:54.708,05:11:57.708 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: "Let’s set the stage by laying down the ultimate task of version numbers: being able to tell which version of an entity is newer than another. " | |
| 05:12:14.253,05:12:17.253 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: That's true for some projects but not for others. | |
| 05:12:57.078,05:13:00.078 | |
| Felix Fontein: For most people, being able to decide which version is newer is the main purpose though. | |
| 05:13:05.905,05:13:08.905 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: I skipped to the end of the blog, though, and his summary looks like there's probably some interesting ideas inside of it. But maybe learning the wrong things from those ideas. | |
| 05:13:41.642,05:13:44.642 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: I don't know about that. | |
| 05:14:08.957,05:14:11.957 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: I mean, if the goal is "I always want the latest", then everyone would use git. | |
| 05:14:23.944,05:14:26.944 | |
| Carol Chen: brb | |
| 05:14:25.358,05:14:28.358 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: Or everyone familiar with open source would always use upstream. | |
| 05:14:58.932,05:15:01.932 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: There's a ton of work done so that usrs don't have to get the latest. | |
| 05:15:40.293,05:15:43.293 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: A Linux distro does the work so that people can get something that's compatible with the libraries and base packages that are on their system,. for instance. | |
| 05:18:13.038,05:18:16.038 | |
| Felix Fontein: True. But users still use version numbers to figure things like "has this version feature X" by determinining whether the version is smaller or larger than the version feature X was added. | |
| 05:18:35.124,05:18:38.124 | |
| Felix Fontein: (Is this chat terribly slow for anyone else as well? Sometimes typing here takes seconds for text to appear.) | |
| 05:19:50.624,05:19:53.624 | |
| Brian Coca: tis slooow | |
| 05:20:30.255,05:20:33.255 | |
| Brian Coca: well, normally everyone 'wants the lastest, but dont break anything im using even if its not a documented feature' | |
| 05:20:54.984,05:20:57.984 | |
| Jeff Geerling: /me is anticipating the next session | |
| 05:20:58.602,05:21:01.602 | |
| Brian Coca: the trick is balancing on which side to err (minization of pitchforks and torches) | |
| 05:21:03.213,05:21:06.213 | |
| Jeff Geerling: zbr/Sorin: Hi! | |
| 05:21:05.834,05:21:08.834 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: felixfontein yep. But alsol "has this feature been removed?" | |
| 05:21:31.564,05:21:34.564 | |
| Felix Fontein: Jeff: me too :) | |
| 05:21:35.258,05:21:38.258 | |
| Timothy Appnel: The thing I think we forget is that what comes to us as second nature is completely foreign to most others who don't live and breath ansible or python or open source. | |
| 05:21:57.053,05:22:00.053 | |
| Rick Elrod: @bcoca reminds me of people who want RHEL because they need super stable systems...and then they run their most important apps/libs at git HEAD and defeat the whole point :) | |
| 05:22:09.703,05:22:12.703 | |
| Carol Chen: re: slow chat, google meet supposedly can handle 250 participants in this set up but definitely one of the slowest chat sessions I've experienced | |
| 05:22:29.428,05:22:32.428 | |
| Felix Fontein: Carol: it is probably not optimized for 250 people using the chat all the time :D | |
| 05:22:38.865,05:22:41.865 | |
| Carol Chen: yep! | |
| 05:22:43.730,05:22:46.730 | |
| Felix Fontein: Feels a bit like AZP ;) | |
| 05:22:54.730,05:22:57.730 | |
| Felix Fontein: (when builds are still running ;) ) | |
| 05:23:09.844,05:23:12.844 | |
| Carol Chen: :D | |
| 05:23:19.045,05:23:22.045 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: I think what a user really wants to achieve is usually, "I want to maximize the wroking features of my system without breaking anything that I currently use" | |
| 05:23:30.040,05:23:33.040 | |
| Felix Fontein: I would have expected better from google :) | |
| 05:23:55.041,05:23:58.041 | |
| Jeff Geerling: you'd think after 25 Google chat products over the years, at least chat would be rock solid and fast | |
| 05:24:07.194,05:24:10.194 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: I'd expect the opposite ;-) | |
| 05:24:11.474,05:24:14.474 | |
| Jeff Geerling: /me stares at the dumpster fire that is gchat | |
| 05:24:32.025,05:24:35.025 | |
| Carol Chen: google wave, google buzz... | |
| 05:25:14.196,05:25:17.196 | |
| Felix Fontein: /me looks at IRC, which feels like stone-age compared to the modern stuff, but just works :) | |
| 05:25:37.151,05:25:40.151 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: I bet there's something in Fred Brooks' writing that describes google's chat program history perfectly... | |
| 05:27:39.191,05:27:42.191 | |
| Carol Chen: I'm going to stop and restart the recording to see if it helps | |
| Gundalow Barker7:29 PM | |
| ============================ | |
| Community Galaxy update | |
| Felix Fontein7:30 PM | |
| Carol: it's probably the amount of chat history | |
| Jeff Geerling7:31 PM | |
| lol 'recording stopped' 'recording stopped' 'recording stopped' | |
| 00:00:10.013,00:00:13.013 | |
| Brian Coca: the present is just the future 'actualized' | |
| 00:01:24.491,00:01:27.491 | |
| Jeff Geerling: french horn spotted | |
| 00:02:19.895,00:02:22.895 | |
| Carol Chen: Felix: possibly, but still, you'd think google can handle that :P | |
| 00:02:46.102,00:02:49.102 | |
| Brian Coca: 12039854774 <= num of times i was asked 'when are you OSS tower?' | |
| 00:03:56.505,00:03:59.505 | |
| Jeff Geerling: 12039854772 <= num of times I asked bcoca that | |
| 00:05:11.360,00:05:14.360 | |
| Brian Coca: no, i redirectd you to bot after first million | |
| 00:05:23.133,00:05:26.133 | |
| Brian Coca: ;-p | |
| 00:05:37.899,00:05:40.899 | |
| Sandra McCann: bcoca-bot! | |
| 00:07:48.167,00:07:51.167 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: i did not hear mazer yet... | |
| 00:07:54.843,00:07:57.843 | |
| Brian Coca: ssssshhhhh | |
| 00:08:05.662,00:08:08.662 | |
| Timothy Appnel: long live mazer! | |
| 00:08:57.854,00:09:00.854 | |
| Jeff Geerling: Collections = amazingly better experience for everything not a role | |
| 00:09:01.207,00:09:04.207 | |
| Jeff Geerling: ;) | |
| 00:09:06.468,00:09:09.468 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: geerlingguy: I wish I could have seen your expressions for those last two bullet points | |
| 00:09:11.297,00:09:14.297 | |
| Rich Megginson: +1 | |
| 00:09:11.873,00:09:14.873 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: lets say that mazel did not get much mazel tov | |
| 00:09:14.131,00:09:17.131 | |
| Timothy Appnel: +1 | |
| 00:09:51.652,00:09:54.652 | |
| Brian Coca: /me can see geerlinguy smile now | |
| 00:10:39.560,00:10:42.560 | |
| Rich Megginson: if it were 1) trivially easy to collection-ize roles 2) support for "private" roles, modules, plugins in a collection - then the system roles team could have supported collections much much earlier | |
| 00:11:04.126,00:11:07.126 | |
| Brian Coca: its trivial unless you had plugins in the roles .. then its 'fun' | |
| 00:11:33.209,00:11:36.209 | |
| James Cammarata: @rich check out the script sivel mentioned earlier, it takes care of most things for you | |
| 00:11:36.121,00:11:39.121 | |
| Brian Coca: see the migration tool we used in the 'collection disaspora' and that still had many things that were left to manual updates (specially docs) | |
| 00:11:36.658,00:11:39.658 | |
| Rich Megginson: https://github.com/linux-system-roles/auto-maintenance/blob/master/lsr_role2collection.py | |
| 00:11:57.839,00:12:00.839 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: i already discovered the moduleutils issue matt is talking about, lucky for me the shared bit was shared with a single module, so I combined them. | |
| 00:12:06.027,00:12:09.027 | |
| Rich Megginson: yes - we took that script and extended it in all sorts of complicated ways to handle all of our strange corner cases | |
| 00:12:52.370,00:12:55.370 | |
| James Cammarata: @rich - feedback on what those corner-cases were would be greatly appreciated | |
| 00:14:07.731,00:14:10.731 | |
| Jeff Geerling: Yes. Giving some goalposts I can look to for a migration process is the main thing. | |
| 00:14:21.154,00:14:24.154 | |
| Jeff Geerling: I'd love to use Collections... once I can migrate to them :) | |
| 00:14:26.753,00:14:29.753 | |
| Rich Megginson: plus - the system roles team will have to support the legacy roles format for the foreseeable future | |
| 00:14:52.939,00:14:55.939 | |
| Jeff Geerling: Wait which features?! Can't leave us hanging :P | |
| 00:15:05.819,00:15:08.819 | |
| Rich Megginson: so we keep our github repos in the old role format and dynamically generate the collection in our build | |
| 00:15:59.049,00:16:02.049 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: jeff: i suspect that side-effects like the fact that embedded module becomes availble to the playbook after a role run, will go away. AFAIK, that can be considered a bug, and not a feature. | |
| 00:16:01.048,00:16:04.048 | |
| Rich Megginson: using ruamel so that the converted code matches as closely as possible to the original (keeps the ansible-lint, yamllint, etc. suppressions down to a minimum, helps with debugging the collection if we can easily match that with the role source, etc.) | |
| 00:16:42.953,00:16:45.953 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: Hmm... that might put galaxy.ansible.com in danger of GPL violation (assuming that the system roles are licensed GPL) | |
| 00:16:43.433,00:16:46.433 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: ruamel will not happen, the maintenance status of the project is very problematic, i started a fork about an year ago. | |
| 00:17:20.695,00:17:23.695 | |
| Rich Megginson: we only use ruamel in our build - we don't actually package or otherwise distribute it - how is it problematic? | |
| 00:17:45.891,00:17:48.891 | |
| Jeff Geerling: The funny thing is, my docker role is one that I actually use the least :D I'm guessing somebody's system setup playbook uses it and it's been forked like a jillion times or something | |
| 00:17:49.377,00:17:52.377 | |
| Rich Megginson: is there another python yaml lib that can do a reasonable "round trip"? | |
| 00:17:50.176,00:17:53.176 | |
| Brian Coca: @Rich we did find corner cases in whcih ruamel also behaved differently and would not port the tests correctly, why we ended up migrating via pyyaml | |
| 00:18:00.243,00:18:03.243 | |
| Jeff Geerling: (But at least I use it... a few of my roles I don't use, just barely maintain now) | |
| 00:18:07.825,00:18:10.825 | |
| Felix Fontein: Jeff: maybe some CI systems use it... ;) | |
| 00:18:09.685,00:18:12.685 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: maintainer did block access to some issues, as in making them private, some real censorship. | |
| 00:18:48.739,00:18:51.739 | |
| Rich Megginson: hmm - well hopefully we can limp along with the current ruamel implementation until we can drop the legacy role format altogether . . . | |
| 00:18:55.985,00:18:58.985 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: some details are on https://github.com/pycontribs/ruyaml/issues/1 | |
| 00:19:20.977,00:19:23.977 | |
| Jeff Geerling: We're only seeing the 'feature polls' slide with the 10. At least I am only seeing that :/ | |
| 00:19:33.247,00:19:36.247 | |
| Gundalow Barker: DING DING DING: Voting time. Top of the chat window, click the "Triangle, Square, Circle" then click polls. | |
| 00:19:42.301,00:19:45.301 | |
| Carol Chen: please vote on the polls (top right with bunch of shapes -> click -> polls) | |
| 00:19:45.385,00:19:48.385 | |
| Carol Chen: in google meet | |
| 00:19:59.767,00:20:02.767 | |
| Jeff Geerling: ooh | |
| 00:22:16.601,00:22:19.601 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: I hope to see someone from galaxy team involved with ansible-lint, galaxy is stuck on old version of linter and I want to hear what prevents it from using newer version. | |
| 00:22:44.494,00:22:47.494 | |
| Jeff Geerling: heh... right now the answer could be "until 5.0.3 is released, all geerlingguy's roles start failing" ;) | |
| 00:22:59.587,00:23:02.587 | |
| Jeff Geerling: (my selfish reason) | |
| 00:23:05.683,00:23:08.683 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: I am not asking for eng-effort to fix bugs, but only collaboration / consultation. | |
| 00:23:57.155,00:24:00.155 | |
| Jeff Geerling: @Sorin - It would be really cool if maybe galaxy qa would be able to run the latest rc release (or even dev) of ansible-lint and then you could see if it will break there or not, or could do a diff of quality scores before/after or something | |
| 00:24:03.144,00:24:06.144 | |
| Jeff Geerling: so many moving parts though | |
| 00:24:19.940,00:24:22.940 | |
| Daniel S: There was an option missing: "PLease don't" | |
| 00:24:51.706,00:24:54.706 | |
| Felix Fontein: I'm not sure how to understand that GH SSO poll. | |
| 00:25:12.587,00:25:15.587 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: We could extend the proposed canary test to test the first 50? most popular roles listed and report errors, so we are confident that we do not upset existing users w/o good reasons. | |
| 00:25:24.204,00:25:27.204 | |
| Jeff Geerling: Can I get an "I voted" sticker? ;) | |
| 00:25:31.381,00:25:34.381 | |
| Daniel S: For #7, do we really want/need github as auth backend? For some this may be actually a problem | |
| 00:25:41.536,00:25:44.536 | |
| Carol Chen: Jeff: I'll see what I can do xD | |
| 00:25:54.120,00:25:57.120 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: I saw some reddit users annoyed by having to login via GH | |
| 00:26:49.057,00:26:52.057 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: are all these features for galaxy_ng and NOT the current galaxy.ansible.com? | |
| 00:26:53.286,00:26:56.286 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: i really do not understand polls with "A vs B" where answers are like I do not care, or care. | |
| 00:26:55.837,00:26:58.837 | |
| Daniel S: Since there is already FAS/RH SSO, etc. Why not using these? | |
| 00:27:03.341,00:27:06.341 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: wasn't this about a "vs"? | |
| 00:27:18.306,00:27:21.306 | |
| Jeff Geerling: @Andrius - It seems like the idea is these decisions would guide what goes into NG from community galaxy current gen | |
| 00:27:37.810,00:27:40.810 | |
| Jacob Evans: There are definitely some anti-Microsoft people out there that do not like the fact that they own GitHub now. I would bet that's where much of the anti-GitHub sentiment comes from | |
| 00:27:44.234,00:27:47.234 | |
| Jeff Geerling: @Daniel - I'd love to avoid tying things to my RH account. That account system is a dumpster fire | |
| 00:27:55.978,00:27:58.978 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: right, so it goes into galaxy_ng, and then would apply once galaxy.ansible.com is migrated to the new codebase | |
| 00:27:56.202,00:27:59.202 | |
| Jeff Geerling: (for anyone who isn't deep in the RH ecosystem already) | |
| 00:28:10.386,00:28:13.386 | |
| Daniel S: @jeff same for my github account ;) | |
| 00:28:26.559,00:28:29.559 | |
| Daniel S: If I have my code at my own repo, I still need a gh account to push collections/roles | |
| 00:29:14.301,00:29:17.301 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: At this moment galaxy namespace cannot even be mentioned inside any in-repo file, and thus makes testing of installed role a gamble. | |
| 00:29:46.002,00:29:49.002 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: galaxy_info, does not have a namespace field, only a role name one. | |
| 00:29:48.341,00:29:51.341 | |
| David Moreau Simard: +1 on survey, contributor summit audience is limited | |
| 00:29:51.071,00:29:54.071 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: I think the moral of the story is that there are multiple team that are impacted for feature requests to "galaxy" which could mean ansible-galaxy CLI, the backend galaxy_ng, and ansible-core | |
| 00:30:31.019,00:30:34.019 | |
| Jeff Geerling: @Andrius plus community tools like ansible-lint, molecule | |
| 00:30:42.944,00:30:45.944 | |
| Felix Fontein: I'm glad to hear the part on roles being planned to be supported long-term! | |
| 00:30:58.069,00:31:01.069 | |
| Daniel S: yup, awesome news | |
| 00:31:14.654,00:31:17.654 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: i wonder how galaxy experience will improve considering that the server side is "maintenance" mode until ng is ready and that the client cannot be modified for older versions of ansible. | |
| 00:32:41.911,00:32:44.911 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: @sorin this is the $64,000 question | |
| 00:33:12.602,00:33:15.602 | |
| Felix Fontein: Yeah, would be nice if `ansible-galaxy collection install` would get more stable / performant :) | |
| 00:33:18.471,00:33:21.471 | |
| Gundalow Barker: DING DING DING: Please do the polls | |
| 00:33:21.938,00:33:24.938 | |
| Gundalow Barker: ======================== | |
| 00:34:08.047,00:34:11.047 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: This one sounds like it will be good to have awcrosby listening in. | |
| 00:34:41.510,00:34:44.510 | |
| Brian Coca: for galaxy/AH to display these docs also | |
| 00:34:57.742,00:35:00.742 | |
| Jeff Geerling: GALAXY for docs++ | |
| 00:34:59.953,00:35:02.953 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: or at least, so that they don't conflict. | |
| 00:35:03.205,00:35:06.205 | |
| Jeff Geerling: that just makes sense | |
| 00:35:11.932,00:35:14.932 | |
| Daniel S: indeed | |
| 00:35:52.301,00:35:55.301 | |
| Brian Coca: TeX | |
| 00:35:54.963,00:35:57.963 | |
| Felix Fontein: RST! RST! RST! | |
| 00:35:55.923,00:35:58.923 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: while I do not see myself looking for docs inside galaxy, I do fancy the idea of seeing galaxy enforcing docs to be present on upload. | |
| 00:35:56.228,00:35:59.228 | |
| Sagi Shnaidman: galaxy should have docs for released collection on galaxy, dos.ansible - for collection released in ansible package? | |
| 00:35:59.237,00:36:02.237 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: html | |
| 00:36:04.499,00:36:07.499 | |
| Sagi Shnaidman: HTML | |
| 00:36:09.613,00:36:12.613 | |
| Jeff Geerling: also allows collections to evolve tied to galaxy, and not requiring docs team involvement in the nitty gritty and things like module redirection | |
| 00:36:13.610,00:36:16.610 | |
| Felix Fontein: (Brian: TeX would be great, but RST is more realistic ;) ) | |
| 00:36:48.490,00:36:51.490 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: I hope we endup documenting roles using a model very similar with how is done for modules. | |
| 00:37:06.017,00:37:09.017 | |
| Jeff Geerling: markdown preferred, but I can write whatever. In the end, I like formats that require less time looking up 'how do I do this thing that I know how to do in HTML' :) | |
| 00:37:08.620,00:37:11.620 | |
| Rich Megginson: ++sorin | |
| 00:37:19.899,00:37:22.899 | |
| Jeff Geerling: Sorin++ | |
| 00:37:31.800,00:37:34.800 | |
| Jeff Geerling: Docs only on galaxy | |
| 00:37:36.112,00:37:39.112 | |
| Daniel S: same | |
| 00:37:38.461,00:37:41.461 | |
| Jeff Geerling: 💯 | |
| 00:37:50.744,00:37:53.744 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: whatever is searchable | |
| 00:37:59.961,00:38:02.961 | |
| Jeff Geerling: whatever google can index | |
| 00:38:06.803,00:38:09.803 | |
| Brian Coca: grep collection/docs/ * | |
| 00:38:07.505,00:38:10.505 | |
| Jeff Geerling: docs.ansible.com search doesn't get me what I want :P | |
| 00:38:12.772,00:38:15.772 | |
| Timothy Appnel: probably galaxy because of versions | |
| 00:38:13.674,00:38:16.674 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: google + site:galaxy.ansible.com | |
| 00:38:14.018,00:38:17.018 | |
| Felix Fontein: I like docs to be on docs.ansible.com as well, at least the docs fofr collections included in the Ansible package. | |
| 00:38:19.463,00:38:22.463 | |
| Jeff Geerling: so I always do site:galaxy.ansible.com then search ;) | |
| 00:38:29.921,00:38:32.921 | |
| Jill Rouleau: Felix++ | |
| 00:38:35.526,00:38:38.526 | |
| Sagi Shnaidman: Felix++ | |
| 00:38:45.362,00:38:48.362 | |
| Brad Thornton: docs independant of ansible package inclusion | |
| 00:38:48.352,00:38:51.352 | |
| Amin Vakil: felix++ | |
| 00:38:50.788,00:38:53.788 | |
| Brian Scholer: I really would prefer the docs for collections Felix++ | |
| 00:38:58.280,00:39:01.280 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: I think the question should be, "what should be the docs source of truth?" | |
| 00:39:01.025,00:39:04.025 | |
| Jeff Geerling: scenario guides should be outside of collections (IMHO) | |
| 00:39:08.089,00:39:11.089 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: Everything should start with ansible-doc -- which should be able to generate the docs. | |
| 00:39:10.018,00:39:13.018 | |
| Felix Fontein: especially because the docs there will be for the version of the collection included in Ansible. I guess docs on Galaxy wlil be for the latest released version only. | |
| 00:39:45.871,00:39:48.871 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: documentation can be build and stored inside the repo at the same time. | |
| 00:39:53.820,00:39:56.820 | |
| Jeff Geerling: @Felix - could make it so you can switch versions in collection on galaxy to see older versions, I presume | |
| 00:40:27.849,00:40:30.849 | |
| Jeff Geerling: (This all assumes Galaxy will be upgraded at some point... either investment in old codebase or get all the role MVP stuff into Galaxy NG faster) | |
| 00:40:55.539,00:40:58.539 | |
| Felix Fontein: Jeff: true, but that needs a lot more storage. Also there's the problem with doc fragments, which can come from other collections that have different versions. Combining all the possibilities is pretty much futile :) | |
| 00:41:11.989,00:41:14.989 | |
| Brian Coca: it does display them, so they are already making a choice | |
| 00:43:09.804,00:43:12.804 | |
| Tadej Borovšak: For reference: https://sensu.github.io/sensu-go-ansible/ | |
| 00:43:29.388,00:43:32.388 | |
| Matt Davis: I think the ones in Galaxy today are relying on internally-supplied doc fragments, but suspect that wouldn't work for arbitrary other-collection doc fragment refs | |
| 00:43:29.624,00:43:32.624 | |
| Jeff Geerling: Right now, it's hard to document your collection | |
| 00:43:36.630,00:43:39.630 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: I think what I'm hearing is that the complete set of people want it in both palces. | |
| 00:43:37.754,00:43:40.754 | |
| Jeff Geerling: Answer is currently "build your own documentation system" :D | |
| 00:43:49.112,00:43:52.112 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: With individuals wanting it to be in either one or the other. | |
| 00:43:50.859,00:43:53.859 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: i wonder if it would be possible to have a single document documentation for each collection/role or this would not scale. Why? single doc approach reduces a lot of complexity. | |
| 00:44:08.333,00:44:11.333 | |
| Felix Fontein: I've created a WIP PR to allow including own RST files into the auto-generated docs for antsibull-docs: https://github.com/ansible-community/antsibull/pull/255 | |
| 00:44:13.036,00:44:16.036 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: i think that build-your-own is not what people are asking for. | |
| 00:44:18.769,00:44:21.769 | |
| Jeff Geerling: the video is like 10 seconds off from audio :D | |
| 00:44:42.481,00:44:45.481 | |
| Brian Coca: not in general, but some do want to build their own, question is are they enough for it to be worth the effort | |
| 00:44:48.688,00:44:51.688 | |
| Felix Fontein: It's somewhat basic, but at least it allows to add a lot of extra documents (and to document things like filter/test plugins and roles!) | |
| 00:44:53.377,00:44:56.377 | |
| Carol Chen: Jeff: is it that bad? maybe I don't see it as the host | |
| 00:45:18.461,00:45:21.461 | |
| Matt Davis: Yeah, I haven't seen any A/V issues today | |
| 00:45:33.001,00:45:36.001 | |
| Ben Watson: yeah, a good 10 seconds | |
| 00:45:34.932,00:45:37.932 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: Why not both? | |
| 00:45:38.040,00:45:41.040 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: zuul-ci defined its own standards based on rst, for documenting roles inside the big zuul-jobs, repo. Yet another DIY solution, because there was no framework for doing it "by-the-book". | |
| 00:45:47.764,00:45:50.764 | |
| Carol Chen: the chat is a bit slow, but A/V has been working wwell for me | |
| 00:45:51.337,00:45:54.337 | |
| Deric Crago: hmm... my A/V is pretty in sync | |
| 00:46:01.119,00:46:04.119 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: It's possible to use MyST parser along with RST with all of the features of RST | |
| 00:46:02.768,00:46:05.768 | |
| Brian Coca: mine is off by 0.5s | |
| 00:46:38.718,00:46:41.718 | |
| Felix Fontein: for me A/V is also out of sync, but I have no clue by how much. It's definitely moret han 0.5 s. | |
| 00:46:47.697,00:46:50.697 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: from my point of view I care the most about documenting arguments for roles and modules, with a major problem if the doc is not generated it gets out of sync with implementation. | |
| 00:46:51.634,00:46:54.634 | |
| Felix Fontein: could be ~10 seconds | |
| 00:47:11.469,00:47:14.469 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: markdown allows HTML natively | |
| 00:47:23.089,00:47:26.089 | |
| Felix Fontein: Sorin: now that we have role argspecs, auto-generating role docs comes closer :) | |
| 00:47:24.590,00:47:27.590 | |
| Brian Coca: tables = bane of all presentation encodings | |
| 00:47:30.169,00:47:33.169 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: in fact sphinx has decent support for md these days. | |
| 00:47:48.758,00:47:51.758 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: yep: i am strongly against tables! | |
| 00:48:00.410,00:48:03.410 | |
| Brian Coca: why we need clones! | |
| 00:48:17.822,00:48:20.822 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: tables and narrow displays,.... | |
| 00:48:19.181,00:48:22.181 | |
| Daniel S: From my very personal view: a collection should include the documentation (like manpages for packages). There must be some kind of default format (I dont care whcih format) and possibility to search these. And this search must not be "use google", but something valid. IMHO, this is a must-have in galaxy, since it provides the packages. If I want to know something about a container image at docker.io, I will look it up there and not on docs.docker.com. | |
| 00:48:34.785,00:48:37.785 | |
| Tadej Borovšak: I was thinking about creating Ansible Sphinx domain, but then I remembered my previous domain-writing experience ... | |
| 00:49:01.531,00:49:04.531 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: Tadej: +1 | |
| 00:49:39.871,00:49:42.871 | |
| Jeff Geerling: @Daniel S++ | |
| 00:49:57.162,00:50:00.162 | |
| Jeff Geerling: When I want to find docs for a ruby gem, I don't search ruby's documentation. | |
| 00:50:05.362,00:50:08.362 | |
| Daniel S: exactly | |
| 00:50:19.327,00:50:22.327 | |
| Jeff Geerling: even if that gem is used in Ruby on Rails, I don't expect to find docs for that gem in the RoR docs site | |
| 00:50:28.243,00:50:31.243 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: whatever we go for: is that I hope there will be an easy way to prevent someone from adding a new var for a role without documenting it. I want to be able to add linter rule for that. | |
| 00:50:58.225,00:51:01.225 | |
| Brian Coca: to throw another wrench into it, once you have it displayed in galaxy/ah ... do you want it locally via ansible-doc? | |
| 00:51:05.962,00:51:08.962 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: It'd be nice if collections could publish their own RTD sites | |
| 00:51:08.630,00:51:11.630 | |
| Felix Fontein: Sorin: you mean like the version_added sanity test in ansible/ansible, which forces all new options to have the correct version_added string? | |
| 00:51:13.429,00:51:16.429 | |
| Brian Coca: or you'll download your own chm? | |
| 00:51:13.845,00:51:16.845 | |
| Jeff Geerling: It's only hard because of the whole "batteries are kinda sorta part of community but sorta not in some ways" | |
| 00:51:34.683,00:51:37.683 | |
| Jeff Geerling: @bcoca — I don't ever use ansible-doc, I just google it | |
| 00:51:42.512,00:51:45.512 | |
| Timothy Appnel: that sounds right to me. these collections with these versions. | |
| 00:51:42.924,00:51:45.924 | |
| Jeff Geerling: easier to read in the browser ;) | |
| 00:51:50.473,00:51:53.473 | |
| Oleksandr Saprykin: Sviatoslav: +1 | |
| 00:52:04.151,00:52:07.151 | |
| Brian Coca: @jeff i use w3m to google stuff ... | |
| 00:52:07.926,00:52:10.926 | |
| Brian Coca: why i need to ask | |
| 00:52:31.714,00:52:34.714 | |
| Timothy Appnel: NO. | |
| 00:52:33.613,00:52:36.613 | |
| Timothy Appnel: ;) | |
| 00:52:58.638,00:53:01.638 | |
| Jeff Geerling: I'd be greatly annoyed if I had to do rst for non-plugin docs but that would not be the straw that breaks this camel's back. | |
| 00:53:20.726,00:53:23.726 | |
| Daniel S: as long as you dont want docx, I am fine. | |
| 00:53:26.333,00:53:29.333 | |
| Jeff Geerling: (Outside of Python, Markdown feels to me like 99.9% of the world nowadays) | |
| 00:53:29.859,00:53:32.859 | |
| Carol Chen: Daniel :D | |
| 00:53:38.629,00:53:41.629 | |
| Felix Fontein: Daniel: PDF-A :D | |
| 00:53:39.696,00:53:42.696 | |
| Timothy Appnel: Only python people know RST and most Ansible users aren't python people. | |
| 00:53:52.086,00:53:55.086 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: tim++ | |
| 00:53:55.044,00:53:58.044 | |
| Brian Scholer: I think that's reasonable to say "if you want it on our docsite, you have to give it to us in a specific format", as it still leaves it open for people to conversion to RST themselves | |
| 00:53:59.041,00:54:02.041 | |
| Jeff Geerling: It'd be like if a math library person said you gotta write your readme file in latex | |
| 00:54:04.917,00:54:07.917 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: <nod> But collection writers are python people. | |
| 00:54:09.790,00:54:12.790 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: (as opposed to role writers) | |
| 00:54:16.250,00:54:19.250 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: while I know RST, I do see it as a high barrier | |
| 00:54:24.715,00:54:27.715 | |
| Jeff Geerling: @Toshio - But if collections want to invite role authors to participate... | |
| 00:54:30.365,00:54:33.365 | |
| Jeff Geerling: one more barrier to entry | |
| 00:54:35.360,00:54:38.360 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: some authors are expected not to be python developers. | |
| 00:54:41.946,00:54:44.946 | |
| Timothy Appnel: toshio! i thought we just said collections are the future for roles. | |
| 00:54:52.706,00:54:55.706 | |
| Brian Scholer: (I don't want to write stuff directly in RST.. I don't really know it.. but I can't really see demanding a site based on it to accept or convert other formats on my behalf) | |
| 00:54:53.446,00:54:56.446 | |
| Timothy Appnel: /me smh | |
| 00:54:54.970,00:54:57.970 | |
| Felix Fontein: you can always use a tool to convert MD to RST. the result may look ugly, but it should work :) | |
| 00:55:13.457,00:55:16.457 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: Converting rst to MD should work better. | |
| 00:55:22.990,00:55:25.990 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: felix: no need, that can be natively integrated alongside RST | |
| 00:55:30.853,00:55:33.853 | |
| Brian Coca: https://github.com/chrissimpkins/md2rst | |
| 00:55:33.880,00:55:36.880 | |
| Timothy Appnel: but you have to write in RST to begin with. | |
| 00:55:33.907,00:55:36.907 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: (with all of the features it has) | |
| 00:55:35.814,00:55:38.814 | |
| Ben Watson: +1 to the PyPi example | |
| 00:55:44.897,00:55:47.897 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: @Timothy: no | |
| 00:55:51.731,00:55:54.731 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: rst is a richer format to md. So it's okay to lose info sa you go that way. But there's no way to regain the info going the other way. | |
| 00:55:56.966,00:55:59.966 | |
| David Moreau Simard: "hope is not a strategy" :) | |
| 00:56:17.077,00:56:20.077 | |
| Oleksandr Saprykin: and sphinx is a very powerful tool to generate docs out of RST | |
| 00:56:18.776,00:56:21.776 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: HTML is even richer, but that does not make it better. | |
| 00:56:18.838,00:56:21.838 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: @Timothy: http://myst-parser.rtfd.io/ allows to write MD but still use RST features when necessary | |
| 00:56:25.022,00:56:28.022 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: so is the current flow ansible-doc->docs.ansible.com->galaxy.ansible.com ? | |
| 00:56:42.042,00:56:45.042 | |
| Jeff Geerling: strict XML only :D | |
| 00:56:48.009,00:56:51.009 | |
| Brian Coca: SGML | |
| 00:56:52.329,00:56:55.329 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: Tim I thought that roles were going to be pulled and autoformatted? | |
| 00:56:54.807,00:56:57.807 | |
| Jeff Geerling: assembly | |
| 00:56:59.185,00:57:02.185 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: s/pulled/extracted/ | |
| 00:57:06.982,00:57:09.982 | |
| Timothy Appnel: No RTF! Semantic Web baby! | |
| 00:57:29.779,00:57:32.779 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: Jeff: I am surprised you did not mention youtube as the ideal docs distribution format. | |
| 00:57:44.115,00:57:47.115 | |
| Brian Coca: next, which is he sanctioned editor ... vi! | |
| 00:57:46.944,00:57:49.944 | |
| Sandra McCann: @andrius - afaik ansible-doc has different rendering than docs.ansible.com, which has different rendering than galaxy-hg | |
| 00:58:18.293,00:58:21.293 | |
| Jeff Geerling: @Sorin lol, way too much work | |
| 00:58:20.300,00:58:23.300 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: "there you have it" gif | |
| 00:58:20.877,00:58:23.877 | |
| Sandra McCann: @andrius - but we are talking beyond the plugin docs to actual user guides per collection | |
| 00:58:27.401,00:58:30.401 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: got it | |
| 00:58:27.516,00:58:30.516 | |
| Brian Coca: @andrius ansible-doc --json can be used to get 'raw data' and reformat for most plugins, question is if we want to extend that to more | |
| 00:58:31.784,00:58:34.784 | |
| Matt Davis: @Sorin: only redshirt Jeff feels that way ;) | |
| 00:58:35.279,00:58:38.279 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: sammcann: yesm that is correct. | |
| 00:58:41.506,00:58:44.506 | |
| Felix Fontein: The data exported by `ansible-doc --json` (which is pretty much unprocessed documentation from source) is used by both docs.ansible.com and AH I think | |
| 00:58:53.798,00:58:56.798 | |
| Jeff Geerling: red shirt jeff writes in plain text. no need to mark up anything, just WRITE ALL CAPS | |
| 00:58:58.672,00:59:01.672 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: hence why collection_prep is used by the Content Team | |
| 00:58:59.449,00:59:02.449 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: amsob;e=dpc ==json is not good. | |
| 00:59:05.309,00:59:08.309 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: ansible-doc --json | |
| 00:59:10.453,00:59:13.453 | |
| Matt Davis: lol | |
| 00:59:12.977,00:59:15.977 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: it's not normalized | |
| 00:59:14.884,00:59:17.884 | |
| Sandra McCann: sorry not sure what you are 'hencing' Andrius | |
| 00:59:21.395,00:59:24.395 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: that was my hope that ansible-doc will be able to produce documentation for all consumers. | |
| 00:59:27.528,00:59:30.528 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: (brb) | |
| 00:59:30.290,00:59:33.290 | |
| Alicia Cozine: we also haven't mentioned testing the documentation - historically the docs toolchain has caught a lot of mistakes | |
| 00:59:30.827,00:59:33.827 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: (My laptop keyboard broke, so I'm using a full-sized keyboard for the first time in a while) | |
| 00:59:35.544,00:59:38.544 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: but this requires us to define an input format. | |
| 00:59:51.206,00:59:54.206 | |
| Jeff Geerling: "it's a hard problem" is the conclusion | |
| 01:00:00.229,01:00:03.229 | |
| Jeff Geerling: video is in sync, yay! | |
| 01:00:05.031,01:00:08.031 | |
| Gundalow Barker: =============================== | |
| 01:00:38.655,01:00:41.655 | |
| Jeff Geerling: "Nothing too contentious." (Sees kubernetes.core / community.kubernetes) Me: "Heh." | |
| 01:00:46.321,01:00:49.321 | |
| Brian Coca: /me ducks | |
| 01:02:27.135,01:02:30.135 | |
| Felix Fontein: finally :) | |
| 01:04:05.441,01:04:08.441 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Any questions? | |
| 01:04:16.004,01:04:19.004 | |
| Timothy Appnel: more time to argue RST vs markdown and the merits of semantic versioning! ;p | |
| 01:04:24.458,01:04:27.458 | |
| Brian Coca: is content team taking over the guides? | |
| 01:04:44.481,01:04:47.481 | |
| Felix Fontein: Brian: do you mean the scenario guides? | |
| 01:05:19.048,01:05:22.048 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: molecule can do that :D | |
| 01:06:22.485,01:06:25.485 | |
| Brian Coca: @felix guides related to the collections | |
| 01:06:25.132,01:06:28.132 | |
| Felix Fontein: Moving content is mainly problematic for Ansible 2.9 :) | |
| 01:07:22.022,01:07:25.022 | |
| Brian Scholer: so glad to hear that, a lot of confusion reporting issues with community modules when the problem lies in module util in the other collection, hard for end users to know that | |
| 01:08:19.539,01:08:22.539 | |
| Brian Coca: unlike when we had extras/core split, github allows moving issues | |
| 01:08:19.877,01:08:22.877 | |
| Brian Scholer: yeah that makes sense, duplication does sound worse | |
| 01:08:47.394,01:08:50.394 | |
| James Cassell (cyberpear): I had to step out for a bit... was community.okd vs redhat.openshift covered? | |
| 01:08:49.324,01:08:52.324 | |
| Jeff Geerling: I think the solution is to just put all the modules together into ansible/ansible | |
| 01:08:52.503,01:08:55.503 | |
| Jeff Geerling: hehehe | |
| 01:08:55.270,01:08:58.270 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: moving tickets worked fine for molecule when I did the big-split. duplication sounds like nightmare. | |
| 01:09:03.909,01:09:06.909 | |
| Brian Coca: @jeff we did that! | |
| 01:09:05.353,01:09:08.353 | |
| Felix Fontein: Jeff: oh, great idea, let';s do that! | |
| 01:09:16.824,01:09:19.824 | |
| Felix Fontein: what could go wrong? | |
| 01:09:21.348,01:09:24.348 | |
| James Cassell (cyberpear): usability of playbook/roles written for one being run w/in another | |
| 01:09:31.802,01:09:34.802 | |
| Brian Coca: @felix we have a good list from last time | |
| 01:09:42.996,01:09:45.996 | |
| Jeff Geerling: @Jill - The difficulty is that if someone wants to write code / playbooks / examples using those modules, they could not write them in a way that works with Ansible 'for enterprises' and Ansible 'for not having support contract' | |
| 01:09:50.718,01:09:53.718 | |
| Felix Fontein: Brian: but THIS time it will be 100% different! | |
| 01:10:10.660,01:10:13.660 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: lets call the new-one ansible-blob | |
| 01:10:24.065,01:10:27.065 | |
| Jeff Geerling: /me spies writing any examples for book content... have to add extra notes like "all the module references in this chapter will be different depending on if you have a support contract with Red Hat or not" | |
| 01:10:25.520,01:10:28.520 | |
| Jeff Geerling: :P | |
| 01:10:27.226,01:10:30.226 | |
| James Cassell (cyberpear): not fun to re-write every role that uses fqcn for community vs downstream | |
| 01:10:35.265,01:10:38.265 | |
| Timothy Appnel: Jeff: That's a topic I'd like to see us publish guidance on how to do that more effectively. | |
| 01:10:39.138,01:10:42.138 | |
| Jeff Geerling: It's always the lawyers | |
| 01:10:51.712,01:10:54.712 | |
| Rich Megginson: there are redirects for modules/plugins but not for roles . . . | |
| 01:11:08.021,01:11:11.021 | |
| Rich Megginson: why not add redirect support for roles? | |
| 01:11:14.564,01:11:17.564 | |
| James Cassell (cyberpear): call it kubernetes.okd to remove "community" name? | |
| 01:11:23.146,01:11:26.146 | |
| Brian Coca: @rich not impossible | |
| 01:11:31.221,01:11:34.221 | |
| Jeff Geerling: Famous last words! | |
| 01:11:32.051,01:11:35.051 | |
| Brian Coca: rename to /dev/null | |
| 01:11:57.941,01:12:00.941 | |
| Jeff Geerling: next week legal says "you're gonna have to rename community.aws to community.amazon" :D | |
| 01:12:22.740,01:12:25.740 | |
| Jill Rouleau: That we already had a conversation around, we should be good on AWS | |
| 01:12:39.789,01:12:42.789 | |
| Daniel S: @jeff: community.amazon®, please | |
| 01:12:53.322,01:12:56.322 | |
| James Cassell (cyberpear): do we need AMZN permission to call something amazon.aws? | |
| 01:12:59.059,01:13:02.059 | |
| Felix Fontein: I don't think I'm the only one who doesn't have any background on this legal problem | |
| 01:13:04.797,01:13:07.797 | |
| Felix Fontein: could someone please explain it a bit in omre detail? | |
| 01:13:11.526,01:13:14.526 | |
| Matt Davis: nah, just need to come up with a retronym for AWS ;) | |
| 01:13:12.086,01:13:15.086 | |
| Gundalow Barker: ========================== | |
| 01:13:24.024,01:13:27.024 | |
| Jill Rouleau: @cyberpear as far as I've been told, no | |
| 01:13:26.529,01:13:29.529 | |
| Jeff Geerling: community.amazing-web-systems | |
| 01:13:34.248,01:13:37.248 | |
| Daniel S: :D | |
| 01:13:37.490,01:13:40.490 | |
| Jeff Geerling: muted! | |
| 01:13:41.485,01:13:44.485 | |
| Felix Fontein: So the problem is that redhat.openshift has redhat in the name and cannot be used outside AH, or whta? | |
| 01:13:50.768,01:13:53.768 | |
| Brian Coca: just introduce collection aliases and use random sha1 as 'real namespace' | |
| 01:14:01.485,01:14:04.485 | |
| Felix Fontein: and community.okd doesn't sound official enough? | |
| 01:14:16.862,01:14:19.862 | |
| Jill Rouleau: Numerous folks at AMZN/AWS are aware of the collections and the skies have not been darkened with lawyers yet | |
| 01:14:45.971,01:14:48.971 | |
| Brian Coca: amazon tends not to care about naming, until they copy your product into their services and drive you out | |
| 01:15:18.405,01:15:21.405 | |
| Jeff Geerling: they kinda tried that with ansible heh | |
| 01:15:35.209,01:15:38.209 | |
| Brian Coca: they've tried that with everything .. just not all stuck | |
| 01:15:54.818,01:15:57.818 | |
| Jeff Geerling: @Felix - yeah I think that was the gist of it, apparently nothing in "community galaxy" can have anything with the name "redhat". | |
| 01:16:01.044,01:16:04.044 | |
| Brian Scholer: is the answer different than when that content was part of the ansible repo? | |
| 01:16:15.847,01:16:18.847 | |
| Brian Scholer: (it was still "community" supported then right?) | |
| 01:16:22.322,01:16:25.322 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: @bcoca now sure if you read the last update on https://github.com/aws/aws-cli/issues/4947#issuecomment-793192340 -- basically they do not care about many things. | |
| 01:17:10.966,01:17:13.966 | |
| Timothy Appnel: i admit to barely keeping up with what i was getting second hand from the RHT legal. it seems being Red Hat publishing the content is significant and that is why we can have ibm.* and cisco.* etc content upstream and downstream. | |
| 01:18:28.280,01:18:31.280 | |
| Rick Elrod: What would be done to ensure any "local" (ansible-package patches) get sent back upstream? How do we ensure ansible x.y.z's patch doesn't get lost in ansible x.y.z+1 when the collection releases an update but never got the CVE fix? | |
| 01:21:53.698,01:21:56.698 | |
| Mark Chappell: What about the collections where modules have different owners? Some modules may be actively maintained others less well maintained... | |
| 01:23:03.173,01:23:06.173 | |
| Gundalow Barker: @Mark: community.general and community.network are good examples of different activity levels of maintainers | |
| 01:23:10.007,01:23:13.007 | |
| Daniel S: Are there actually community collections shipped with 3.0.0? | |
| 01:23:31.706,01:23:34.706 | |
| Felix Fontein: Daniel: you mean new ones? | |
| 01:23:52.976,01:23:55.976 | |
| Daniel S: yup, aside from builtin, I mean | |
| 01:23:56.809,01:23:59.809 | |
| Felix Fontein: community.sops is a new community collection that wasn't in Ansible 2.9 | |
| 01:24:04.920,01:24:07.920 | |
| Daniel S: naaa | |
| 01:24:29.013,01:24:32.013 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: IMO this is not a technical issue this is more about policy | |
| 01:24:32.402,01:24:35.402 | |
| Daniel S: If I install ansible (pip install ansible=3.0.0), is there actually a collection included? | |
| 01:24:38.036,01:24:41.036 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: as felixfontein said, but I agree :-) | |
| 01:24:43.386,01:24:46.386 | |
| Brian Coca: well, the policy has many technical implications | |
| 01:24:52.635,01:24:55.635 | |
| Amin Vakil: bcoca++ | |
| 01:24:59.716,01:25:02.716 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: danielS yes. | |
| 01:25:25.812,01:25:28.812 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: can we afford to maintain patches? i really doubt. We can only remove stuff with CVE. IMHO, including something is a perk, not an obligation. | |
| 01:26:20.133,01:26:23.133 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: ssbarnea, yep. LInux distro maintainers essentially have a duplicate set of maintainers for their packages and patches that's in addition to upstreams | |
| 01:26:26.904,01:26:29.904 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: the big issue is when the unmaintained collection is used by another 5 other ones. Do we remove a huge part as a side effect? | |
| 01:26:39.816,01:26:42.816 | |
| Brian Coca: node left trim! | |
| 01:26:53.004,01:26:56.004 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: how is this different from 2.9? There is a pile of unmaintained things in there, that are still in there... | |
| 01:27:01.368,01:27:04.368 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: I see the cores laughing in the background,.... is not our problem anymore. :D | |
| 01:27:03.883,01:27:06.883 | |
| Felix Fontein: Sorin: if you depend on a collection, you should make sure it is maintained :) | |
| 01:27:05.252,01:27:08.252 | |
| Brian Coca: core team ended up being responsible for it | |
| 01:27:11.098,01:27:14.098 | |
| Tadej Borovšak: I need to run (other meeting coming up). Thank you all! | |
| 01:27:11.516,01:27:14.516 | |
| Matt Davis: --^ yep | |
| 01:27:11.949,01:27:14.949 | |
| Andrius Benokraitis: buck passed | |
| 01:27:14.269,01:27:17.269 | |
| Brian Coca: ^ i've had to fix many unmaintained CVEs | |
| 01:27:17.350,01:27:20.350 | |
| Rick Elrod: It feels weird to me for us to decide if something is "secure enough" to be on Galaxy. It'd be like GitHub removing a repo because they thought it wasn't secure or written well enough. | |
| 01:27:42.352,01:27:45.352 | |
| Daniel S: the problem is, github does not actually ship these packages | |
| 01:27:47.560,01:27:50.560 | |
| Brian Coca: @Rick i dont expect that to be the norm, but if something really extreme appears | |
| 01:27:48.019,01:27:51.019 | |
| Daniel S: ansible does | |
| 01:28:13.972,01:28:16.972 | |
| Brian Scholer: have to run to another meeting, will be be back soon | |
| 01:28:19.491,01:28:22.491 | |
| Rick Elrod: @Daniel I'm just drawing a comparison. It just feels weird to me for us to be in that business. | |
| 01:30:10.098,01:30:13.098 | |
| Felix Fontein: It might make sense to do additional bugfix releases when (important enough) CVEs show up. | |
| 01:31:13.957,01:31:16.957 | |
| Felix Fontein: community.general backports bugfixes to older major versions :) | |
| 01:31:15.548,01:31:18.548 | |
| Daniel S: As I heard of collections the first time some years ago, I assumed, Ansible will itself reduce to some ansible-core + some core functionality. For these, I expected maintenance. For all other collections, be it company.tool or community.scope, I expected that the owner takes over maintenance. It's the same for nodejs packages, ruby gems, chef recipes, docker images, etc. Maintaining code from 3rd party seems completely out of scope for me. | |
| 01:32:04.204,01:32:07.204 | |
| Brian Coca: and that is true for most, but there is still the 'ansible' community package that includes collections from non upstream | |
| 01:32:09.208,01:32:12.208 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: Daniel is right, but there is a catch here: ansible must allow people to alias them. | |
| 01:32:11.058,01:32:14.058 | |
| Brian Coca: so ansible-core is exactly as you describe | |
| 01:32:59.395,01:33:02.395 | |
| Brian Coca: some collections are aleardy perfect! | |
| 01:33:10.773,01:33:13.773 | |
| Daniel S: yep :) | |
| 01:33:33.867,01:33:36.867 | |
| Daniel S: dont ship them with ansible-package ;) | |
| 01:33:38.824,01:33:41.824 | |
| Brian Coca: its more a question of collections that ship new versions but no update for previouslly shipoped | |
| 01:35:19.976,01:35:22.976 | |
| Brian Coca: yes, in the end its up to the community around a collection (mostly the maintainers) to decide on that | |
| 01:37:57.473,01:38:00.473 | |
| Sviatoslav Sydorenko: $ANSIBLE_COLLECTIONS_PATHS | |
| 01:38:47.700,01:38:50.700 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: Are you you you used the correct number of plurals? ;) | |
| 01:39:38.940,01:39:41.940 | |
| Felix Fontein: I never remember... | |
| 01:39:55.838,01:39:58.838 | |
| Felix Fontein: I usually start grepping lib/ansible/config/ :) | |
| 01:40:27.598,01:40:30.598 | |
| Brian Coca: git grep is my friend | |
| 01:40:36.656,01:40:39.656 | |
| Brian Coca: ansible-config list | |
| 01:41:30.485,01:41:33.485 | |
| Daniel S: One can live without google, but not without grep? ;) | |
| 01:41:44.628,01:41:47.628 | |
| Brian Coca: google == distributed grep | |
| 01:41:45.259,01:41:48.259 | |
| Felix Fontein: grep is one of the most imporant tools | |
| 01:41:58.832,01:42:01.832 | |
| Felix Fontein: distributed grep with ads :D | |
| 01:42:14.923,01:42:17.923 | |
| Brian Coca: /me needs to start new 'grep' search engine | |
| 01:44:15.222,01:44:18.222 | |
| Jeff Geerling: This points to another good reason to include automatic scanning/rating for those standards in galaxy (saves someone from having to verify it all manually) | |
| 01:45:09.473,01:45:12.473 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: Jeff, we can use the linter and assure nobody can pass its checks ;) | |
| 01:45:24.669,01:45:27.669 | |
| Amin Vakil: sorin :) | |
| 01:46:02.524,01:46:05.524 | |
| Daniel S: sounds like a plan. | |
| 01:48:36.942,01:48:39.942 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: We can put old ones on probation, if we we do not have consistent rule, contributors will feel marginalized. | |
| 01:59:09.381,01:59:12.381 | |
| Brian Coca: kidnapping people at pycon has already been prposed and dismissed | |
| 02:00:58.349,02:01:01.349 | |
| Gundalow Barker: New collection inclusion review: https://github.com/ansible-collections/ansible-inclusion/discussions/categories/new-collection-reviews | |
| 02:01:34.197,02:01:37.197 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Summary of checklist: https://github.com/ansible-collections/overview/blob/main/collection_checklist.md | |
| 02:01:45.250,02:01:48.250 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Full checklist https://github.com/ansible-collections/overview/blob/main/collection_requirements.rst | |
| 02:05:19.370,02:05:22.370 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: yeah: good point: ansible own examples do not pass our recommandations. | |
| 02:05:28.279,02:05:31.279 | |
| Brian Coca: what we really need is 'test profiles' for the diff uses of ansible-test | |
| 02:06:05.375,02:06:08.375 | |
| Rich Megginson: is there some way that `ansible-test sanity` can differentiate between running against core ansible vs. running to validate a collection for inclusion into galaxy/AH/etc.? | |
| 02:06:20.218,02:06:23.218 | |
| Brian Coca: not yet, ^ why im talking about profiles | |
| 02:06:32.061,02:06:35.061 | |
| Brian Coca: you can specifically exclude/include tetsts, but that gets onerous | |
| 02:06:48.977,02:06:51.977 | |
| Rich Megginson: yes - it definitely gets onerous . . . | |
| 02:07:02.933,02:07:05.933 | |
| Daniel S: I am not against including more collections. This may be quite convenient for some users. | |
| But... Why do we even want to include more (3rd party) collections in the ansible-package? What is the reason to do this, since everybody can install collections on deman via ansible-galaxy? | |
| 02:07:50.118,02:07:53.118 | |
| Rich Megginson: I think it is ok to enforce style - as long as it is easy to say "I have my own style - please allow it" | |
| 02:09:02.911,02:09:05.911 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: Rich is right, users can override the default settings of the "enforcer" tool. | |
| 02:09:10.836,02:09:13.836 | |
| David Moreau Simard: By "style" I mean conventions and best practices i.e: https://docs.ansible.com/ansible/latest/dev_guide/developing_modules_best_practices.html | |
| 02:10:49.078,02:10:52.078 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: my experience with enabling ansible-test sanity was not ideal, but I did not bother much to challenge its checks. | |
| 02:11:13.836,02:11:16.836 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: Daniel S, I'll try to answer that once the ansible-test discussion finishes | |
| 02:11:23.442,02:11:26.442 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: the real pain was to run it, not to fix the reported issues. | |
| 02:11:24.468,02:11:27.468 | |
| Jeff Geerling: it's also something that basically targets / is good for pythonic code in its current state — it provides little value for end-user code (e.g. ansible playbooks / roles) at the current time, especially in comparison to Molecule (IMHO) | |
| 02:12:26.750,02:12:29.750 | |
| Rich Megginson: @jeff - in what way is molecule better than ansible-test than roles? | |
| 02:12:43.837,02:12:46.837 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: for the moment ansible-test should fix the issue where it has different expectations for collection or ansible core. | |
| 02:12:48.952,02:12:51.952 | |
| Matt Clay: It does not work for collections. | |
| 02:12:57.267,02:13:00.267 | |
| Jeff Geerling: @rich - it's more aware of the things role authors want to test (e.g. idempotence, isolated environment, check mode tests, dependencies, and a lot more) | |
| 02:12:59.217,02:13:02.217 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: aka test vs tests folders... a perfect source of confusions | |
| 02:13:31.135,02:13:34.135 | |
| Jeff Geerling: and plugs into tons of different backends (not locked into very strictly-defined container environments) | |
| 02:14:01.960,02:14:04.960 | |
| Jeff Geerling: basically I can write a 10-15 line molecule definition in YAML, or a 25+ line shell script to use ansible-test | |
| 02:14:09.896,02:14:12.896 | |
| Rich Megginson: @jeff - thanks | |
| 02:14:15.337,02:14:18.337 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: I will gladly recommend ansible-test for python code, but if you have roles/playbooks, it does not help. | |
| 02:14:25.204,02:14:28.204 | |
| Jeff Geerling: ^^ this | |
| 02:14:36.117,02:14:39.117 | |
| Felix Fontein: I'm using ansible-test for roles as well, also works fine :) | |
| 02:14:41.321,02:14:44.321 | |
| Jeff Geerling: to be clear, I have gotten ansible-test to work with roles and playbooks | |
| 02:14:49.907,02:14:52.907 | |
| Jeff Geerling: but it does not do much, and the things it does requires more overhead/setup | |
| 02:14:50.361,02:14:53.361 | |
| Felix Fontein: (and for me a lot easier to use than molecule, which I would have to learn first) | |
| 02:14:58.406,02:15:01.406 | |
| Gundalow Barker: The other carrot is we render the module & plugin docs on docs.ansible.com | |
| 02:15:16.713,02:15:19.713 | |
| Rich Megginson: I would also like to see support for `--podman` in ansible-test sanity, and support for running ansible-test sanity from a `tox` venv | |
| 02:15:35.777,02:15:38.777 | |
| Brian Coca: PRs welcome! | |
| 02:15:48.470,02:15:51.470 | |
| Rich Megginson: sure | |
| 02:15:54.265,02:15:57.265 | |
| Jeff Geerling: I think it's a matter of perspective | |
| 02:15:58.066,02:16:01.066 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: Rich: i doubt you will ever see it for older versions of ansible, due to... policy. | |
| 02:16:00.632,02:16:03.632 | |
| Brian Coca: its not trivial (others have looked into it) since there is no one to one correspondance | |
| 02:16:02.743,02:16:05.743 | |
| Felix Fontein: Rich: it might already work with the `docker` CLI shim coming (?) with podman | |
| 02:16:07.829,02:16:10.829 | |
| Jeff Geerling: ansible-test was written by, is maintained by, is improved by 99.9% python-based devs who do python | |
| 02:16:09.225,02:16:12.225 | |
| Daniel S: @Toshio, @gundalow: I thought so for both. | |
| 02:16:12.333,02:16:15.333 | |
| Daniel S: thanks a lot | |
| 02:16:19.273,02:16:22.273 | |
| Matt Davis: Just as a data point- I use podman exclusively with ansible-test, and it works fine except for modules that need httptester | |
| 02:16:32.370,02:16:35.370 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: testing tools should be agnostic to ansible version (support a range of versions) | |
| 02:16:39.354,02:16:42.354 | |
| Rich Megginson: matt++ | |
| 02:16:41.087,02:16:44.087 | |
| Rick Elrod: yeah, what Felix said. ansible-test will work with a docker-like-enough podman that is symlinked to `docker`, in some (most?) cases. | |
| 02:16:41.186,02:16:44.186 | |
| Felix Fontein: Matt: ah, great to know :) | |
| 02:16:48.515,02:16:51.515 | |
| Jeff Geerling: molecule is written by / for people who write ansible playbooks / roles / YAML, and are often not at all involved in any Python code | |
| 02:17:08.203,02:17:11.203 | |
| Rick Elrod: (docker-like-enough depends on podman version) | |
| 02:17:08.318,02:17:11.318 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: this will allow us to improve the tools, without being affected by ansible own support policy | |
| 02:17:22.746,02:17:25.746 | |
| Timothy Appnel: Geerling ++ | |
| 02:17:24.232,02:17:27.232 | |
| Jeff Geerling: anyways, chat aside rant mode off :) | |
| 02:17:27.156,02:17:30.156 | |
| Matt Davis: There are a couple other little caveats vs docker, but in general, podman + docker shiim works great with ansible-test. | |
| 02:17:38.017,02:17:41.017 | |
| Jeff Geerling: shiim ooh, that's like a shiny shim | |
| 02:17:46.900,02:17:49.900 | |
| Matt Davis: lol | |
| 02:19:20.759,02:19:23.759 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: Hint: look for tox-ansible, it integrated both molecule and ansible-test, making more human to run them. | |
| 02:20:15.518,02:20:18.518 | |
| Carol Chen: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/ansible-contributor-summit-202103-registration-141735886853 | |
| 02:21:45.161,02:21:48.161 | |
| Ben Watson: first time lurker here, quite a good experience | |
| 02:21:54.006,02:21:57.006 | |
| Matt Butch: Guess I missed it but I'd love to help with the Ansible PPA. Will have to rewatch the video. | |
| 02:22:01.416,02:22:04.416 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Ben Watson Thank you. | |
| 02:22:02.189,02:22:05.189 | |
| Daniel S: For me, this kind of event can be done for each major release in the future. | |
| 02:22:11.530,02:22:14.530 | |
| Jeff Geerling: lol | |
| 02:22:18.470,02:22:21.470 | |
| Timothy Appnel: IRC: not for humans. ;P | |
| 02:22:51.079,02:22:54.079 | |
| Felix Fontein: At least in IRC, I don't have to wait seconds after typing before my text shows up:D | |
| 02:22:53.804,02:22:56.804 | |
| Jeff Geerling: lol | |
| 02:23:07.446,02:23:10.446 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: Matt Butch, are you on IRC? I can let the person working on that know your irc nick | |
| 02:23:19.689,02:23:22.689 | |
| Brian Coca: i have a 2015 pr still waiting! | |
| 02:23:25.585,02:23:28.585 | |
| Deric Crago: Hi Matt Butch - hit me up on IRC @dericcrago | |
| 02:23:33.134,02:23:36.134 | |
| Matt Butch: Yes I am. Nick is in the hackmd doc | |
| 02:23:40.994,02:23:43.994 | |
| Jeff Geerling: woah fancy | |
| 02:23:55.342,02:23:58.342 | |
| Brian Coca: i'll take hoodie! | |
| 02:23:56.469,02:23:59.469 | |
| Matt Butch: The socks I got for the last one were awesome! | |
| 02:23:57.211,02:24:00.211 | |
| Anastasios Lisgaras: Yeah!! Very cool!! | |
| 02:24:01.104,02:24:04.104 | |
| Anastasios Lisgaras: I also want it! ^_^ | |
| 02:24:06.717,02:24:09.717 | |
| Alex Sowitzki: waaaant! | |
| 02:24:11.183,02:24:14.183 | |
| Anastasios Lisgaras: very nice!! | |
| 02:24:15.519,02:24:18.519 | |
| James Cammarata: we got more bulls! | |
| 02:24:16.045,02:24:19.045 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: a bull or cow? | |
| 02:24:16.439,02:24:19.439 | |
| Brian Coca: <= is wearing socks right now | |
| 02:24:16.921,02:24:19.921 | |
| Jeff Geerling: ooh invisi-bulls | |
| 02:24:22.937,02:24:25.937 | |
| Anastasios Lisgaras: xxax | |
| 02:24:23.774,02:24:26.774 | |
| Brian Coca: ansi bull | |
| 02:24:35.655,02:24:38.655 | |
| Brian Coca: though it has gone to the vet ... | |
| 02:24:36.554,02:24:39.554 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: if is a bull, we need proof | |
| 02:24:45.593,02:24:48.593 | |
| Alicia Cozine: it's the antsi-bull | |
| 02:25:05.265,02:25:08.265 | |
| Rich Megginson: Antsy Bull | |
| 02:25:07.923,02:25:10.923 | |
| Jacob Evans: haha, thanks for all your hard work everyone | |
| 02:25:08.452,02:25:11.452 | |
| Jeff Geerling: toshi-bull | |
| 02:25:11.600,02:25:14.600 | |
| Rich Megginson: don't let it in the china shop | |
| 02:25:11.631,02:25:14.631 | |
| Felix Fontein: :D | |
| 02:25:30.986,02:25:33.986 | |
| Brian Coca: cowsay + durham bulls | |
| 02:25:33.407,02:25:36.407 | |
| James Cammarata: durham is a variety of bull | |
| 02:25:37.696,02:25:40.696 | |
| James Cammarata: or cow | |
| 02:25:43.321,02:25:46.321 | |
| Rich Megginson: Bull Durham | |
| 02:25:51.555,02:25:54.555 | |
| Daniel S: One little question, since I have to drop of. Where can we expect to see the records and material uploads? | |
| 02:26:04.576,02:26:07.576 | |
| Brian Scholer: hm. I thought it was just an alternative pronunciation of the '-ble' in ansible | |
| 02:26:09.267,02:26:12.267 | |
| David Moreau Simard: @Daniel on Youtube, eventually | |
| 02:26:17.137,02:26:20.137 | |
| Jeff Geerling: @Daniel also https://hackmd.io/uZDSLOOdS1Kx0xfZVIATmQ | |
| 02:26:25.322,02:26:28.322 | |
| Jeff Geerling: looks like it is being updated to link to slides and such | |
| 02:26:25.699,02:26:28.699 | |
| Felix Fontein: Brian S: me too! | |
| 02:26:32.474,02:26:35.474 | |
| James Cassell (cyberpear): glad to hear the enders game reference wasn't an accident | |
| 02:26:50.788,02:26:53.788 | |
| Brian Coca: ansi bull vs asci cowsay, pun has many depths | |
| 02:26:54.891,02:26:57.891 | |
| Jeff Geerling: fun fact: I read ender's game after discovering Ansible | |
| 02:27:04.244,02:27:07.244 | |
| James Cassell (cyberpear): likewise | |
| 02:27:09.128,02:27:12.128 | |
| Brian Scholer: ohhhhh | |
| 02:27:10.523,02:27:13.523 | |
| Matt Davis: Hit Bull Win Steak | |
| 02:27:20.927,02:27:23.927 | |
| James Cammarata: ^^^ | |
| 02:27:25.902,02:27:28.902 | |
| Brian Coca: no bull! | |
| 02:27:32.386,02:27:35.386 | |
| Sorin Sbarnea: jeff: entire trilogy? the other two are even better. | |
| 02:27:36.216,02:27:39.216 | |
| Rich Megginson: noble | |
| 02:27:41.166,02:27:44.166 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: geerlingguy: Have you read the short story? | |
| 02:27:41.354,02:27:44.354 | |
| Brian Scholer: relevant: my initials 😏 | |
| 02:27:42.948,02:27:45.948 | |
| Rich Megginson: abominable | |
| 02:27:46.557,02:27:49.557 | |
| Daniel S: Thanks everybody. This was a very very interesting event for me. I would relly love to see this more often and see you over in IRC, twitter and whatnot :) | |
| 02:28:04.933,02:28:07.933 | |
| James Cassell (cyberpear): recordings from today will be on YouTube? | |
| 02:28:08.598,02:28:11.598 | |
| Toshio Kuratomi: Daniel S: See you in IRC! | |
| 02:28:11.866,02:28:14.866 | |
| David Moreau Simard: @James yes, eventually | |
| 02:28:15.915,02:28:18.915 | |
| Carol Chen: Thanks everyone! | |
| 02:28:28.533,02:28:31.533 | |
| Rich Megginson: Thanks! | |
| 02:28:33.579,02:28:36.579 | |
| Anastasios Lisgaras: Thank you everyone!! | |
| 02:28:34.371,02:28:37.371 | |
| Brian Scholer: bye! | |
| 02:28:37.271,02:28:40.271 | |
| Andrei Klychkov: thanks all! | |
| 02:28:38.903,02:28:41.903 | |
| Ben Watson: bye | |
| 02:28:39.110,02:28:42.110 | |
| James Cammarata: o/ | |
| 02:28:39.310,02:28:42.310 | |
| Cruz Pitre: Thanks!! | |
| 02:28:39.970,02:28:42.970 | |
| Gundalow Barker: Thanks all | |
| 02:28:40.521,02:28:43.521 | |
| Matt Butch: Bye bye! | |
| 02:28:46.761,02:28:49.761 | |
| Amin Vakil: Thanks! |
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