deckerweb/genesiswp-dev-chat_2013-01-18.txt

## genesiswp-dev-chat_2013-01-18.txt


deckerweb 17:18:10
hi there!

wpconsult 17:18:18
GaryJ did someone look at that thing I posted yesterday?

nathanrice 17:18:28
there are a lot of pretty simple tickets, so go ahead and get your feet wet

GaryJ 17:18:30
As a first choice, I'd like to charge those who reported a ticket as being the ones who first come up with a patch - chances are, you've looked into the issue or considered the new feature more than anyone else, so don't be offended if I ask you to follow up your ticket with a patch.
wpconsult - yes - a commit has been done - still looking about whether a 1.9.2 is needed or not.
17:18:55

Norcross 17:19:00
is there a priority list on these 2.0 tickets?

GaryJ 17:19:07
https://trac.assembla.com/copyblogger-genesis/report/3
Norcross ^^^ - that is ordered by priority, but mainly, get the non HTML5 stuff done first
17:19:30

Norcross 17:19:44
@GaryJ gotcha, thanks. wasn't sure how these were sorted.
wpsmith hat den Raum betreten
17:19:45

wpsmith 17:19:54
Good morning. Sorry I'm late.

GaryJ 17:21:00
The ever so catchy URL of https://trac.assembla.com/copyblogger-genesis/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&milestone=2.0.0&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&col=component&order=priority gives a report that shows the priority - you can click column headings to change the sort order.
Welcome David and Travis
17:21:15
And Nick and Bill
17:21:24

nathanrice 17:21:27
so, if you submitted a ticket, and it's currently in the 2.0 milestone, you are probably going to be the person who needs to provide a patch.
even if it's not perfect
17:21:51

wpsmith 17:22:03
Dang...luckily NicktheGeek took the customizer

17:22:04

GaryJ 17:22:37
My role AIUI is as a first-line filter for Nathan - chasing tickets up, testing patches, asking for improved patches, and marking it as commit when I think it's ready for Nathan to look at.

wpconsult 17:23:17
did you see the ticket about the customizer and Genesis tabs? http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/23225

nathanrice 17:23:29
yes
WP.com alerted us
17:23:35
bradleyp hat den Raum betreten
17:23:58

nathanrice 17:24:01
but that's an issue with WP, not us
unless they say otherwise
17:24:08

bradleyp 17:24:11
whats up?

GaryJ 17:24:17
I'm not going to go through each ticket now - those who have access, and the time, can look through at their own convenience to find something that takes their interest. If you're not a reporter of a ticket, but fancy taking it on, please assign yourself as the owner by Accepting it.

nathanrice 17:25:28
as we progress through 2.0, we'll probably schedule another dev chat to discuss remaining tickets, but GaryJ is right … for now, just sign in and look through the list. surely there's something that you can help with
a couple of reminders for everyone with Trac access ...
17:25:49
Please don't assign tickets to milestones … let us decide when it needs to be addressed. We'll do a better job of not leaving things in the awaiting review state ...
17:26:32
and please don't reopen tickets that have been closed, unless you can verify that the exact same issue is still in place despite a change set.
17:27:23
discussion can still happen on closed tickets
17:27:44

GaryJ 17:28:44
If anyone is not sure how to create or test a patch, let me know.

nathanrice 17:28:50
Also, sometime soon (we don't know when, for sure) we'll be moving our repo and bug tracking to GitHub ...

cochran 17:29:12
ooo very nice

nathanrice 17:29:13
contributors will still be invite-only, but we will be able to invite a lot more people to contribute

deckerweb 17:29:17
great, with github

Norcross 17:29:29
swanky

wpconsult 17:29:36
nice

deckerweb 17:29:40
does this also apply for child themes like Prose?

nathanrice 17:29:58
however, if you're not contributing now, there's a good chance you won't be invited back when we switch to Git

GaryJ 17:30:21
To clarify, it will be a private repo

thomasgriffin 17:30:35
+1 for github

nathanrice 17:30:54
so if you currently have Trac access, you need to use 2.0 to demonstrate that you're still interested in contributing. otherwise, you won't be invited to the Genesis repo on GitHub

Norcross 17:31:14
fair enough

nathanrice 17:31:14
yes, it will be private
kraftbj hat den Raum betreten
17:31:44

nathanrice 17:32:03
OK, that's all from me … does anyone have anything else?

bradleyp 17:32:36
only those with trac can beta test 2.0 ??
aaronhartland hat den Raum betreten
17:32:50

nathanrice 17:32:59
no, when betas are released, you can use our beta tester plugin to get them
but only Trac contributors get access to trunk
17:33:13

bradleyp 17:33:36
no access to trac

nathanrice 17:34:11
no worries … once we switch to GH, we'll be less concerned with limiting invites

wpconsult 17:34:27
how do we request access to the github repo?

GaryJ 17:34:36
I'd like to see us clearing net of ~5 tickets a week if possible (some are small tickets, some are large), which gives a very rough target of all 2.0.0 tickets closed within 3 months. If you see the chart at the bottom of http://genesischangelog.com/compare/ then you'll see that release schedules have been getting longer and longer, and I'd like to see that change.

wpsmith 17:34:53
+1 GaryJ

nathanrice 17:35:18
indeed … the sooner we have some of these things addressed, the more time we have to test the solutions
wpconsult: not sure yet. will cross that bridge when we get there
17:35:50

wpconsult 17:36:02
ok thanks

wpsmith 17:37:38
nathanrice: #304 is Andrea going to take that?

nathanrice 17:37:47
yes

wpsmith 17:38:19
is she andrei username?

nathanrice 17:38:27
randa
GregRickaby hat den Raum betreten
17:38:48

nathanrice 17:38:54
Ron and Andrea share that username

GaryJ 17:39:10
wpsmith - no - that's one of the Assembla folks I think, along with nataraja

nathanrice 17:39:20
yep

wpsmith 17:39:24
ok

nathanrice 17:39:59
let GaryJ handle the Trac management, though … just focus on patches

wpsmith 17:40:16
ok my apologies, even if I remove myself?

deckerweb 17:40:26
yes, GaryJ does an awesome job with that!

wpsmith 17:40:27
that was assigned to me

nathanrice 17:40:46
oh yeah, feel free to remove yourself … no problem

wpsmith 17:41:05
yea, my thoughts were if I am assigned, I should re-assign it to someone by asking them first
this way it stays assigned
17:41:13

nathanrice 17:41:22
sure thing

wpsmith 17:41:27
ok awesome

GaryJ 17:41:43
(I only assigned you, because you'd created te patches, before Andrea offered.)
Does everyone who wants to help contribute to G 2.0 know how they can do it?
17:42:23

bradleyp 17:43:03
no

Norcross 17:43:07
Is there a specific protocol to assigning a ticket to yourself, if you didn't submit it?

deckerweb 17:43:28
yes, i think so, GaryJ

GaryJ 17:43:29
Norcross - Modify Ticket -> Accept (last of the radio buttons - NOT the Assign to)

Norcross 17:43:48
ok. do I (or anyone) need to ask permission first?

GaryJ 17:44:18
Nope - if you want it Norcross, go for it (unless someone has obviously contributed recent patches - in which case, test their patches first).

Norcross 17:44:32
understood. gracias.

GaryJ 17:44:44
bradleyp - obviously you don't have Trac access - nathanrice - is that someone we can sort out for this cycle - are there some spare slots left?
something*
17:44:51

bradleyp 17:45:30
no big

nathanrice 17:45:57
I'll check

bradleyp 17:46:39
I'm coder lightweight so my contributions may be better elsewhere

GaryJ 17:47:22
bradleyp - we will need some CSS love before 2.0 is finished out.
Unless you're me, Nathan or Brian who are trying to usher tickets along, do check with someone that they are happy to accept before assigning tickets to them.
17:47:49

GregRickaby 17:48:23
Sorry I'm late. I can help with CSS stuff too

GaryJ 17:48:40
Once we see how much we can get done for 2.0, then we'll see if there's a theme of tickets emerging for 2.1

cochran 17:48:48
CSS and HTML5 I'm down for. Done a lot reading the spec on both.

nathanrice 17:49:22
excellent

GaryJ 17:50:04
cochran - there's a few tickets knowing around for that - get your input down on them so we can get that discussion moving along (though not likely to be many commits for this until the other tickets are more cleared).

wpsmith 17:50:30
nathan thoughts on expanding layout registration

cochran 17:50:36
*nods*

GaryJ 17:51:01
#229, #435, #449, #517 for instance

wpsmith 17:51:29
nathanrice: see #441 & http://wpsmith.net/2012/genesis/genesis-1-8-genesis-layouts-for-specific-custom-post-type-only/
still needs to be a bit "simpler" and smoother IMHO
17:51:39

cochran 17:51:53
GaryJ awesome, will take some time reading through and refreshing myself with htose.

nathanrice 17:52:03
low priority, but yes

cochran 17:52:28
Also, mobile will be a big part of 2.0? Or..

nathanrice 17:52:42
probably … but HTML5 has to be done first

bradleyp 17:53:39
I've always thought Genesis needs a siderbar / content / alt-sidebar layout

billerickson 17:54:52
@bradleyp: I've built that quite a few times for clients. But personally I wish Genesis didn't have any of the 3 column layouts built in. Don't add more!

Brian_Gardner 17:54:56
@brad - you can post CSS bugs, etc in Trac, and I'll work with you on that.

GaryJ 17:55:05
bradleyp - I've got a ticket for you. You know when you save the Genesis Theme Settings - the admin notice is wider than the settings boxes? It's because we're limiting the width of the boxes (and forcing a single column). What would be good, is to have the Theme / SEO settings boxes basically be responsive to any screen width, and up to 4 columns (like WP Dashboard). Would you fancy having
a look into that please?
17:55:06

Brian_Gardner 17:55:07
would love another set of eyes and input with that element of G 2.0

bradleyp 17:55:57
Don't make my head hurt Gary

wpsmith 17:56:14
bradleyp: simply look at theme settings and make any admin CSS recommendations

bradleyp 17:56:47
Sounds good Brian

Norcross 17:56:58
alright folks. I've gotta bow out. I'll start hitting tickets as I can.

GaryJ 17:57:07
bradleyp - see how http://d.pr/i/UdHU doesn't line-up?
Norcross - great, thank you.
17:57:14
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17:57:19

nathanrice 17:57:49
yep, you guys feel free to continue the discussion … if someone can generate a transcript for this chat, that'd be great for people who missed it. preferably someone who has been in here for the while hour.

bradleyp 17:58:10
I can fix that in photoshop right away Gary

deckerweb 17:58:34
i could easily do a transcript but i've missed the first 10 minutes or so...

wpsmith 17:58:37
do we have an ETA on the Github migration?

nathanrice 17:58:42
nope

deckerweb 17:59:22
where to put the transcript? (private?)

nathanrice 18:00:02
never mind … I might be able to do it myself

deckerweb 18:00:23
regarding admin css i also have a few minor fixes for textareas/input fields

billerickson 18:00:32
why make the transcript private? This is a public forum, anyone can join. I'm sure others in the community would be interested in seeing it

deckerweb 18:00:57
right, Bill, didn't thought of that

wpsmith 18:01:11
nathanrice Brian_Gardner have u guys published publicly the goals of 2.0?

nathanrice 18:01:22
no

Brian_Gardner 18:01:22
no we have not

GaryJ 18:01:22
deckerweb - so long as it means less CSS specific to Genesis, then that's good - we should be using as much WP CSS as necessary and little more - start a new ticket if you have some suggestions please

wpsmith 18:01:30
IMHO that would determine whether the script be private/public

Brian_Gardner 18:01:32
in our 1.9 G upgraded page, that'd be the only spot, really

bradleyp 18:01:33
@billerickson have you posted the additional layout code somewhere?

billerickson 18:02:09
I don't think so. Registering the layout is the same code as all the other layouts. The rest is CSS, and that's theme-specific

wpconsult 18:02:16
when moving footer outside of wrap, the scripts are loaded before the footer markup, instead of just before the closing body tag, is that something that can be avoided? I tried priorities but couldn't figure it out

deckerweb 18:02:18
yes, it especially regards Genesis & Prose, discovered recently after 1.9, I'll post the patch later today

GaryJ 18:02:35
cdils - can we tempt you into helping out in some way?

cdils 18:02:51
Would love to - think I'm probably more CSS than code...

GaryJ 18:02:56
and kraftbj?

Brian_Gardner 18:03:25
kraftbj's biggest contribution was his enews extended plugin.

GaryJ 18:03:30
Well, there's the ticket I explained above (for bradleyp if bradleyp doesn't fancy it)

deckerweb 18:03:37
i'll also oversee i18n/translation stuff together with defries and minor code stuff...

wpsmith 18:03:40
wpconsult: that should be easy enough

bradleyp 18:03:41
@billerickson I was just going to be lazy if you have already posted it

cdils 18:04:21
K. I don't have trac access, but bradleyp can loop me in on a specific issue...

bradleyp 18:04:24
@GaryJ I think what Brian suggested would be a better fit for me

wpsmith 18:04:27
wpconsult: r u moving the footer widgets as well?

wpconsult 18:04:42
wpsmith, will post a gist for you

GaryJ 18:05:14
cdils - brad doesn't have trac access either, but see the screenshot - shouldn't need anything else, since trac trunk is pretty much 1.9.1

cdils 18:05:30
gotcha

GaryJ 18:06:01
cdils - load up Theme Settings, hit Save, then Inspect and fix in the browser until you have something working. We can worry about the PHP side of it to output the right markup / classes afterwards.
Thanks
18:06:03

cdils 18:06:12
Will do.

GaryJ 18:06:30
deckerweb - appreciated.

bradleyp 18:08:16
will 2.0 be taking a mobile first approach?

wpsmith 18:09:04
bradleyp: prob not
since that is child theme specific more than anything
18:09:12

kraftbj 18:09:16
Stepped away for a second. Be more than happy to help. Noob to this piece of Genesis. If someone needs an extra set of eyes, love to help. No trac access.

NicktheGeek 18:09:19
I'd like to see the CSS start mobile first like Twenty Twelve did

cdils 18:09:26
GaryJ - Where should I post progress/fix on that? Send directly to you?

wpsmith 18:09:47
I concur with NicktheGeek I think cochran would be a great help there

NicktheGeek 18:09:55
I think it would be interesting to have some specific goals in each Genesis update like that similar to what they are doing with the default theme updates

GaryJ 18:10:10
Yes please cdils - I can then add it to the ticket and get some other eyes on it, as well as working out if any PHP changes are needed.

cochran 18:10:19
Mobiel first I am all about
mobile first*
18:10:24

GaryJ 18:10:43
As a side note, (Twitter) Bootstrap 3 has just moved to mobile first too.

NicktheGeek 18:10:58
Genesis 1.9 did that by making the improved css organization and the grid update as well as a less is more approach to the css rules. All great steps

deckerweb 18:11:16
mobile first sounds great, but personally i am happy with a great mobile nav menu solution that we could build on  - has higher priority for me

cdils 18:11:44
Got to dash. Have a great Friday!
cdils hat den Raum verlassen
18:11:51

NicktheGeek 18:11:51
I was sad that the mobile nav did not make it into core. I stopped working on my mobile nav plugin because I thought that was going to make 1.9

wpconsult 18:12:00
wpsmith: https://gist.github.com/4566151

NicktheGeek 18:12:19
I may have to make it happen but I kinda hate to do that when it will become irrelevant in 2.0

wpconsult 18:13:33
NickTheGeek, would you give this a try? https://github.com/pdewouters/Genesis-Foundation-Nav

kraftbj 18:13:41
mobile nav would be great. NicktheGeek, I'd be up for checking out your code... working on a site now that I have to do something different for mobile than default.

bradleyp 18:14:40
+1 on the mobile nav

NicktheGeek 18:14:55
kraftbj, this is where I was at when I stopped http://fluid-two.designsbynickthegeek.com

cochran 18:15:20
same here nickthegeek
i have like 4 different versions of mobile nave and genesis
18:15:31

kraftbj 18:15:48
nickthegeek - that is almost exactly what I outlined to do. Great thought.

NicktheGeek 18:16:41
btw, check out how the sidebars colapse as you scale down that demo

wpsmith 18:17:17
cochran: I think I've used 3 different versions  billerickson & jared^ both have viable options as well
wpconsult: https://gist.github.com/4566229
18:18:03

kraftbj 18:18:25
going afk for a moment - baby awoke early from nap.

GaryJ 18:21:13
In terms of the meeting, I think we're officially done, but feel free to stick around and continue the discussions
billerickson hat den Raum verlassen
18:21:42

Brian_Gardner 18:22:00
overall plan re: mobile nav is to get a) currently tickets down, and then b) as we work with HTML markup work congruently with updated styles/design.

deckerweb 18:22:44
thanks, Brian, understand now better

Brian_Gardner 18:24:25
alright everyone -- thanks for being here.

bradleyp 18:24:49
shameless plug - http://themecraft.com/demo/breakpoint/

Brian_Gardner 18:25:29
http://demo.studiopress.com/modern-portfolio/
another shameless plug.
18:25:34
brad, that looks great. you and I will work together when it comes to getting 2.0 design, etc moving.
18:26:07

bradleyp 18:26:17
cool
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18:26:34

wpsmith 18:26:39
I did this last night

deckerweb 18:26:40
go, Brian & Brad, great things to come!

wpsmith 18:26:44
http://travisthoughts.com/cv/

bradleyp 18:27:40
@wpsmith nice!

wpsmith 18:28:06
bradleyp: obvious bugs but fun
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bradleyp 18:29:57
Modern Portfolio is looking good Brian. Like the color hover effect
I also like how clean the themes are lately
18:30:35


	deckerweb 17:18:10
	hi there!

	wpconsult 17:18:18
	GaryJ did someone look at that thing I posted yesterday?

	nathanrice 17:18:28
	there are a lot of pretty simple tickets, so go ahead and get your feet wet

	GaryJ 17:18:30
	As a first choice, I'd like to charge those who reported a ticket as being the ones who first come up with a patch - chances are, you've looked into the issue or considered the new feature more than anyone else, so don't be offended if I ask you to follow up your ticket with a patch.
	wpconsult - yes - a commit has been done - still looking about whether a 1.9.2 is needed or not.
	17:18:55

	Norcross 17:19:00
	is there a priority list on these 2.0 tickets?

	GaryJ 17:19:07
	https://trac.assembla.com/copyblogger-genesis/report/3
	Norcross ^^^ - that is ordered by priority, but mainly, get the non HTML5 stuff done first
	17:19:30

	Norcross 17:19:44
	@GaryJ gotcha, thanks. wasn't sure how these were sorted.
	wpsmith hat den Raum betreten
	17:19:45

	wpsmith 17:19:54
	Good morning. Sorry I'm late.

	GaryJ 17:21:00
	The ever so catchy URL of https://trac.assembla.com/copyblogger-genesis/query?status=assigned&status=new&status=reopened&milestone=2.0.0&col=id&col=summary&col=status&col=type&col=priority&col=milestone&col=component&order=priority gives a report that shows the priority - you can click column headings to change the sort order.
	Welcome David and Travis
	17:21:15
	And Nick and Bill
	17:21:24

	nathanrice 17:21:27
	so, if you submitted a ticket, and it's currently in the 2.0 milestone, you are probably going to be the person who needs to provide a patch.
	even if it's not perfect
	17:21:51

	wpsmith 17:22:03
	Dang...luckily NicktheGeek took the customizer

	17:22:04

	GaryJ 17:22:37
	My role AIUI is as a first-line filter for Nathan - chasing tickets up, testing patches, asking for improved patches, and marking it as commit when I think it's ready for Nathan to look at.

	wpconsult 17:23:17
	did you see the ticket about the customizer and Genesis tabs? http://core.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/23225

	nathanrice 17:23:29
	yes
	WP.com alerted us
	17:23:35
	bradleyp hat den Raum betreten
	17:23:58

	nathanrice 17:24:01
	but that's an issue with WP, not us
	unless they say otherwise
	17:24:08

	bradleyp 17:24:11
	whats up?

	GaryJ 17:24:17
	I'm not going to go through each ticket now - those who have access, and the time, can look through at their own convenience to find something that takes their interest. If you're not a reporter of a ticket, but fancy taking it on, please assign yourself as the owner by Accepting it.

	nathanrice 17:25:28
	as we progress through 2.0, we'll probably schedule another dev chat to discuss remaining tickets, but GaryJ is right … for now, just sign in and look through the list. surely there's something that you can help with
	a couple of reminders for everyone with Trac access ...
	17:25:49
	Please don't assign tickets to milestones … let us decide when it needs to be addressed. We'll do a better job of not leaving things in the awaiting review state ...
	17:26:32
	and please don't reopen tickets that have been closed, unless you can verify that the exact same issue is still in place despite a change set.
	17:27:23
	discussion can still happen on closed tickets
	17:27:44

	GaryJ 17:28:44
	If anyone is not sure how to create or test a patch, let me know.

	nathanrice 17:28:50
	Also, sometime soon (we don't know when, for sure) we'll be moving our repo and bug tracking to GitHub ...

	cochran 17:29:12
	ooo very nice

	nathanrice 17:29:13
	contributors will still be invite-only, but we will be able to invite a lot more people to contribute

	deckerweb 17:29:17
	great, with github

	Norcross 17:29:29
	swanky

	wpconsult 17:29:36
	nice

	deckerweb 17:29:40
	does this also apply for child themes like Prose?

	nathanrice 17:29:58
	however, if you're not contributing now, there's a good chance you won't be invited back when we switch to Git

	GaryJ 17:30:21
	To clarify, it will be a private repo

	thomasgriffin 17:30:35
	+1 for github

	nathanrice 17:30:54
	so if you currently have Trac access, you need to use 2.0 to demonstrate that you're still interested in contributing. otherwise, you won't be invited to the Genesis repo on GitHub

	Norcross 17:31:14
	fair enough

	nathanrice 17:31:14
	yes, it will be private
	kraftbj hat den Raum betreten
	17:31:44

	nathanrice 17:32:03
	OK, that's all from me … does anyone have anything else?

	bradleyp 17:32:36
	only those with trac can beta test 2.0 ??
	aaronhartland hat den Raum betreten
	17:32:50

	nathanrice 17:32:59
	no, when betas are released, you can use our beta tester plugin to get them
	but only Trac contributors get access to trunk
	17:33:13

	bradleyp 17:33:36
	no access to trac

	nathanrice 17:34:11
	no worries … once we switch to GH, we'll be less concerned with limiting invites

	wpconsult 17:34:27
	how do we request access to the github repo?

	GaryJ 17:34:36
	I'd like to see us clearing net of ~5 tickets a week if possible (some are small tickets, some are large), which gives a very rough target of all 2.0.0 tickets closed within 3 months. If you see the chart at the bottom of http://genesischangelog.com/compare/ then you'll see that release schedules have been getting longer and longer, and I'd like to see that change.

	wpsmith 17:34:53
	+1 GaryJ

	nathanrice 17:35:18
	indeed … the sooner we have some of these things addressed, the more time we have to test the solutions
	wpconsult: not sure yet. will cross that bridge when we get there
	17:35:50

	wpconsult 17:36:02
	ok thanks

	wpsmith 17:37:38
	nathanrice: #304 is Andrea going to take that?

	nathanrice 17:37:47
	yes

	wpsmith 17:38:19
	is she andrei username?

	nathanrice 17:38:27
	randa
	GregRickaby hat den Raum betreten
	17:38:48

	nathanrice 17:38:54
	Ron and Andrea share that username

	GaryJ 17:39:10
	wpsmith - no - that's one of the Assembla folks I think, along with nataraja

	nathanrice 17:39:20
	yep

	wpsmith 17:39:24
	ok

	nathanrice 17:39:59
	let GaryJ handle the Trac management, though … just focus on patches

	wpsmith 17:40:16
	ok my apologies, even if I remove myself?

	deckerweb 17:40:26
	yes, GaryJ does an awesome job with that!

	wpsmith 17:40:27
	that was assigned to me

	nathanrice 17:40:46
	oh yeah, feel free to remove yourself … no problem

	wpsmith 17:41:05
	yea, my thoughts were if I am assigned, I should re-assign it to someone by asking them first
	this way it stays assigned
	17:41:13

	nathanrice 17:41:22
	sure thing

	wpsmith 17:41:27
	ok awesome

	GaryJ 17:41:43
	(I only assigned you, because you'd created te patches, before Andrea offered.)
	Does everyone who wants to help contribute to G 2.0 know how they can do it?
	17:42:23

	bradleyp 17:43:03
	no

	Norcross 17:43:07
	Is there a specific protocol to assigning a ticket to yourself, if you didn't submit it?

	deckerweb 17:43:28
	yes, i think so, GaryJ

	GaryJ 17:43:29
	Norcross - Modify Ticket -> Accept (last of the radio buttons - NOT the Assign to)

	Norcross 17:43:48
	ok. do I (or anyone) need to ask permission first?

	GaryJ 17:44:18
	Nope - if you want it Norcross, go for it (unless someone has obviously contributed recent patches - in which case, test their patches first).

	Norcross 17:44:32
	understood. gracias.

	GaryJ 17:44:44
	bradleyp - obviously you don't have Trac access - nathanrice - is that someone we can sort out for this cycle - are there some spare slots left?
	something*
	17:44:51

	bradleyp 17:45:30
	no big

	nathanrice 17:45:57
	I'll check

	bradleyp 17:46:39
	I'm coder lightweight so my contributions may be better elsewhere

	GaryJ 17:47:22
	bradleyp - we will need some CSS love before 2.0 is finished out.
	Unless you're me, Nathan or Brian who are trying to usher tickets along, do check with someone that they are happy to accept before assigning tickets to them.
	17:47:49

	GregRickaby 17:48:23
	Sorry I'm late. I can help with CSS stuff too

	GaryJ 17:48:40
	Once we see how much we can get done for 2.0, then we'll see if there's a theme of tickets emerging for 2.1

	cochran 17:48:48
	CSS and HTML5 I'm down for. Done a lot reading the spec on both.

	nathanrice 17:49:22
	excellent

	GaryJ 17:50:04
	cochran - there's a few tickets knowing around for that - get your input down on them so we can get that discussion moving along (though not likely to be many commits for this until the other tickets are more cleared).

	wpsmith 17:50:30
	nathan thoughts on expanding layout registration

	cochran 17:50:36
	nods

	GaryJ 17:51:01
	#229, #435, #449, #517 for instance

	wpsmith 17:51:29
	nathanrice: see #441 & http://wpsmith.net/2012/genesis/genesis-1-8-genesis-layouts-for-specific-custom-post-type-only/
	still needs to be a bit "simpler" and smoother IMHO
	17:51:39

	cochran 17:51:53
	GaryJ awesome, will take some time reading through and refreshing myself with htose.

	nathanrice 17:52:03
	low priority, but yes

	cochran 17:52:28
	Also, mobile will be a big part of 2.0? Or..

	nathanrice 17:52:42
	probably … but HTML5 has to be done first

	bradleyp 17:53:39
	I've always thought Genesis needs a siderbar / content / alt-sidebar layout

	billerickson 17:54:52
	@bradleyp: I've built that quite a few times for clients. But personally I wish Genesis didn't have any of the 3 column layouts built in. Don't add more!

	Brian_Gardner 17:54:56
	@brad - you can post CSS bugs, etc in Trac, and I'll work with you on that.

	GaryJ 17:55:05
	bradleyp - I've got a ticket for you. You know when you save the Genesis Theme Settings - the admin notice is wider than the settings boxes? It's because we're limiting the width of the boxes (and forcing a single column). What would be good, is to have the Theme / SEO settings boxes basically be responsive to any screen width, and up to 4 columns (like WP Dashboard). Would you fancy having
	a look into that please?
	17:55:06

	Brian_Gardner 17:55:07
	would love another set of eyes and input with that element of G 2.0

	bradleyp 17:55:57
	Don't make my head hurt Gary

	wpsmith 17:56:14
	bradleyp: simply look at theme settings and make any admin CSS recommendations

	bradleyp 17:56:47
	Sounds good Brian

	Norcross 17:56:58
	alright folks. I've gotta bow out. I'll start hitting tickets as I can.

	GaryJ 17:57:07
	bradleyp - see how http://d.pr/i/UdHU doesn't line-up?
	Norcross - great, thank you.
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	nathanrice 17:57:49
	yep, you guys feel free to continue the discussion … if someone can generate a transcript for this chat, that'd be great for people who missed it. preferably someone who has been in here for the while hour.

	bradleyp 17:58:10
	I can fix that in photoshop right away Gary

	deckerweb 17:58:34
	i could easily do a transcript but i've missed the first 10 minutes or so...

	wpsmith 17:58:37
	do we have an ETA on the Github migration?

	nathanrice 17:58:42
	nope

	deckerweb 17:59:22
	where to put the transcript? (private?)

	nathanrice 18:00:02
	never mind … I might be able to do it myself

	deckerweb 18:00:23
	regarding admin css i also have a few minor fixes for textareas/input fields

	billerickson 18:00:32
	why make the transcript private? This is a public forum, anyone can join. I'm sure others in the community would be interested in seeing it

	deckerweb 18:00:57
	right, Bill, didn't thought of that

	wpsmith 18:01:11
	nathanrice Brian_Gardner have u guys published publicly the goals of 2.0?

	nathanrice 18:01:22
	no

	Brian_Gardner 18:01:22
	no we have not

	GaryJ 18:01:22
	deckerweb - so long as it means less CSS specific to Genesis, then that's good - we should be using as much WP CSS as necessary and little more - start a new ticket if you have some suggestions please

	wpsmith 18:01:30
	IMHO that would determine whether the script be private/public

	Brian_Gardner 18:01:32
	in our 1.9 G upgraded page, that'd be the only spot, really

	bradleyp 18:01:33
	@billerickson have you posted the additional layout code somewhere?

	billerickson 18:02:09
	I don't think so. Registering the layout is the same code as all the other layouts. The rest is CSS, and that's theme-specific

	wpconsult 18:02:16
	when moving footer outside of wrap, the scripts are loaded before the footer markup, instead of just before the closing body tag, is that something that can be avoided? I tried priorities but couldn't figure it out

	deckerweb 18:02:18
	yes, it especially regards Genesis & Prose, discovered recently after 1.9, I'll post the patch later today

	GaryJ 18:02:35
	cdils - can we tempt you into helping out in some way?

	cdils 18:02:51
	Would love to - think I'm probably more CSS than code...

	GaryJ 18:02:56
	and kraftbj?

	Brian_Gardner 18:03:25
	kraftbj's biggest contribution was his enews extended plugin.

	GaryJ 18:03:30
	Well, there's the ticket I explained above (for bradleyp if bradleyp doesn't fancy it)

	deckerweb 18:03:37
	i'll also oversee i18n/translation stuff together with defries and minor code stuff...

	wpsmith 18:03:40
	wpconsult: that should be easy enough

	bradleyp 18:03:41
	@billerickson I was just going to be lazy if you have already posted it

	cdils 18:04:21
	K. I don't have trac access, but bradleyp can loop me in on a specific issue...

	bradleyp 18:04:24
	@GaryJ I think what Brian suggested would be a better fit for me

	wpsmith 18:04:27
	wpconsult: r u moving the footer widgets as well?

	wpconsult 18:04:42
	wpsmith, will post a gist for you

	GaryJ 18:05:14
	cdils - brad doesn't have trac access either, but see the screenshot - shouldn't need anything else, since trac trunk is pretty much 1.9.1

	cdils 18:05:30
	gotcha

	GaryJ 18:06:01
	cdils - load up Theme Settings, hit Save, then Inspect and fix in the browser until you have something working. We can worry about the PHP side of it to output the right markup / classes afterwards.
	Thanks
	18:06:03

	cdils 18:06:12
	Will do.

	GaryJ 18:06:30
	deckerweb - appreciated.

	bradleyp 18:08:16
	will 2.0 be taking a mobile first approach?

	wpsmith 18:09:04
	bradleyp: prob not
	since that is child theme specific more than anything
	18:09:12

	kraftbj 18:09:16
	Stepped away for a second. Be more than happy to help. Noob to this piece of Genesis. If someone needs an extra set of eyes, love to help. No trac access.

	NicktheGeek 18:09:19
	I'd like to see the CSS start mobile first like Twenty Twelve did

	cdils 18:09:26
	GaryJ - Where should I post progress/fix on that? Send directly to you?

	wpsmith 18:09:47
	I concur with NicktheGeek I think cochran would be a great help there

	NicktheGeek 18:09:55
	I think it would be interesting to have some specific goals in each Genesis update like that similar to what they are doing with the default theme updates

	GaryJ 18:10:10
	Yes please cdils - I can then add it to the ticket and get some other eyes on it, as well as working out if any PHP changes are needed.

	cochran 18:10:19
	Mobiel first I am all about
	mobile first*
	18:10:24

	GaryJ 18:10:43
	As a side note, (Twitter) Bootstrap 3 has just moved to mobile first too.

	NicktheGeek 18:10:58
	Genesis 1.9 did that by making the improved css organization and the grid update as well as a less is more approach to the css rules. All great steps

	deckerweb 18:11:16
	mobile first sounds great, but personally i am happy with a great mobile nav menu solution that we could build on - has higher priority for me

	cdils 18:11:44
	Got to dash. Have a great Friday!
	cdils hat den Raum verlassen
	18:11:51

	NicktheGeek 18:11:51
	I was sad that the mobile nav did not make it into core. I stopped working on my mobile nav plugin because I thought that was going to make 1.9

	wpconsult 18:12:00
	wpsmith: https://gist.github.com/4566151

	NicktheGeek 18:12:19
	I may have to make it happen but I kinda hate to do that when it will become irrelevant in 2.0

	wpconsult 18:13:33
	NickTheGeek, would you give this a try? https://github.com/pdewouters/Genesis-Foundation-Nav

	kraftbj 18:13:41
	mobile nav would be great. NicktheGeek, I'd be up for checking out your code... working on a site now that I have to do something different for mobile than default.

	bradleyp 18:14:40
	+1 on the mobile nav

	NicktheGeek 18:14:55
	kraftbj, this is where I was at when I stopped http://fluid-two.designsbynickthegeek.com

	cochran 18:15:20
	same here nickthegeek
	i have like 4 different versions of mobile nave and genesis
	18:15:31

	kraftbj 18:15:48
	nickthegeek - that is almost exactly what I outlined to do. Great thought.

	NicktheGeek 18:16:41
	btw, check out how the sidebars colapse as you scale down that demo

	wpsmith 18:17:17
	cochran: I think I've used 3 different versions billerickson & jared^ both have viable options as well
	wpconsult: https://gist.github.com/4566229
	18:18:03

	kraftbj 18:18:25
	going afk for a moment - baby awoke early from nap.

	GaryJ 18:21:13
	In terms of the meeting, I think we're officially done, but feel free to stick around and continue the discussions
	billerickson hat den Raum verlassen
	18:21:42

	Brian_Gardner 18:22:00
	overall plan re: mobile nav is to get a) currently tickets down, and then b) as we work with HTML markup work congruently with updated styles/design.

	deckerweb 18:22:44
	thanks, Brian, understand now better

	Brian_Gardner 18:24:25
	alright everyone -- thanks for being here.

	bradleyp 18:24:49
	shameless plug - http://themecraft.com/demo/breakpoint/

	Brian_Gardner 18:25:29
	http://demo.studiopress.com/modern-portfolio/
	another shameless plug.
	18:25:34
	brad, that looks great. you and I will work together when it comes to getting 2.0 design, etc moving.
	18:26:07

	bradleyp 18:26:17
	cool
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	wpsmith 18:26:39
	I did this last night

	deckerweb 18:26:40
	go, Brian & Brad, great things to come!

	wpsmith 18:26:44
	http://travisthoughts.com/cv/

	bradleyp 18:27:40
	@wpsmith nice!

	wpsmith 18:28:06
	bradleyp: obvious bugs but fun
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	bradleyp 18:29:57
	Modern Portfolio is looking good Brian. Like the color hover effect
	I also like how clean the themes are lately
	18:30:35