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[18:42:32]  <Frostalf>	spreading lies about me is not very respectable. Especially the part where you tell everyone I steal other people's works and call it my own. I am not sure where you got this from but I am curious as to what you are referring to as to what I claimed as mine which is not mine.
[18:43:04]  <Frostalf>	Also your comment for me buying snw is to gain power, here is a bit of knowledge, anyone that buys a business will gain power regardless
[18:43:12]  <Frostalf>	its part of the business buying process
[18:43:51]  <Frostalf>	I also never demanded you to pay me for the time I was part of the MineTime project
[18:44:00]  <Frostalf>	you said you were going to remove me, all I said was bye
[22:36:11]  <drtshock>	i may have exaggerated the last part there, but other than that, nothing i said wasn't true.
[22:36:24]  <drtshock>	you also removed me on skype
[23:19:47]  <Frostalf>	Yes I did remove you from my contacts, but I never blocked you
[23:20:08]  <drtshock>	can't tell the difference afaik.
[23:20:11]  <Frostalf>	However I am curious at what point in time, I claimed other people's works as mine o.O
[23:20:12]  <drtshock>	i did correct myself on that though.
[23:20:58]  <drtshock>	http://imgur.com/DpVhfj5
[23:21:02]  <drtshock>	not sure what's up with that.
[23:21:10]  <drtshock>	claiming you need to write a 1.8 from scratch too? lol
[23:22:58]  <Frostalf>	Never said I was making 1.8 from scratch, also, ever since that time you removed me from the project it seemed like you didn't like me. So instead of me accidentally saying your my buddy which could be false, I just let people know that.
[23:23:46]  <drtshock>	ok
[23:25:03]  <Frostalf>	Reason I told him not to talk about me, is because the Network owner at the time wanted me to be part of his network and even made me a rank. He paid me to do things, never did anything more than that. So, I rather people not go around saying what I do because its irritating when some rumor goes around that just isn't true =/
[23:25:48]  <Frostalf>	But, I never did join his network, if he pays me to make things, then I will make something otherwise, I don't do anything else lol
[23:26:42]  <Frostalf>	Anyways, would there be anything else that we could clear up? I know someone said I am shady, I don't think I am =/
[23:27:09]  <drtshock>	whatever you were supposed to do for them in factions that took you 5 days?
[23:27:20]  <drtshock>	was 3 lines of code and i did it before they finished explaining..
[23:27:26]  <Frostalf>	For who?
[23:27:28]  <Frostalf>	o.o
[23:27:33]  <drtshock>	snakedoust or w/e
[23:27:45]  <Frostalf>	oh, I had other plugins he wanted me to make =/
[23:27:51]  <drtshock>	3 lines of code..
[23:27:53]  <drtshock>	took me less than a minute
[23:28:04]  <Frostalf>	I didn't get far as in looking at the code in what he wanted
[23:28:11]  <Frostalf>	I just added it as part of the to do list
[23:28:14]  <drtshock>	and you claimed it was your own faction plugin from scratch
[23:28:32]  <Frostalf>	nope, I specifically told him I was going to use your faction plugin because it had the UUID
[23:28:41]  <Frostalf>	UUID support
[23:29:03]  <Frostalf>	I also told the other reason for using your plugin was because there was no need to make one from scratch either
[23:30:44]  <Frostalf>	I don't claim peoples works as my own unless I specifically made it myself. That is my standard, just like when people pay me to code, I don't touch plugins that are not open source either
[23:31:02]  <Frostalf>	when someone wants me to make some kind of change that is
[23:31:43]  <Frostalf>	However, drt, I am not sure if you want to be friends or not, but the least I would like. Is for us to at minimum stay on good terms.
[23:31:52]  <Frostalf>	Like it has been lol
[23:32:28]  <drtshock>	you are still in my irc channel, i never removed you on skype. you're the one that specifically said not to tell me what you're up to..
[23:33:55]  <Frostalf>	Well, are you fine with me re-adding you on skype?
[23:34:12]  <drtshock>	sure
[23:34:13]  <Frostalf>	and thank you for never removing me from your irc channel lol. Its as far as I can the most active one these days :P
[23:34:26]  <drtshock>	you never chat in there though lol
[23:34:46]  <Frostalf>	Every once in a while I do, but during the week I am busy so I end up missing on the convos =/
[23:37:03]  <Frostalf>	uh, I don't remember your skype name
[23:38:28]  <drtshock>	funny though how i have multiple people telling me the same story about you writing a 1.8 from scratch.
[23:38:33]  <drtshock>	and i just sent a skype request.
[23:38:50]  <Frostalf>	I said I was updating CB to 1.8
[23:38:51]  <drtshock>	i don't know why isolated groups would lie about a very odd thing
[23:38:58]  <Frostalf>	not sure how that means from scratch o.O
[23:39:31]  <Frostalf>	the only thing I am doing from scratch, is deobfuscating 1.8. I have been doing it by hand and the aide of my IDE
[23:40:10]  <Frostalf>	as far as that goes, I am using CB source and just going to update it to 1.8 however, it is still time consuming mainly because of deobfuscating which I am not even done with yet =/
[23:40:32]  <Frostalf>	The only thing I will be making from scratch which is what people are referring to
[23:40:50]  <Frostalf>	is once I update CB to 1.8 I am going to create a public project for a 1.8 server implementation
[23:41:21]  <Frostalf>	It would be similar to CB but won't use CB code since I don't need someone coming by to DMCA it
[23:41:30]  <drtshock>	so you are writing it from scratch
[23:41:55]  <Frostalf>	Yes, but that won't be until I update CB 1.8 so I have my own 1.8 server though
[23:42:26]  <Frostalf>	So I am doing 2 separate things that involves a 1.8 server lol
[23:42:28]  <drtshock>	why wouldn't you just elect to join one of many teams out there already?
[23:42:35]  <drtshock>	so you are writing a server from scratch though
[23:42:43]  <Frostalf>	Sponge I don't like. Never have been a fan of Forge
[23:43:01]  <Frostalf>	And they are going to try and implement bukkit API which I would like to see how they will do that
[23:43:09]  <drtshock>	sponge is? no they aren't.
[23:43:23]  <Frostalf>	yes there are, let me get you a link to the document of things they said they were going to do
[23:43:56]  <Frostalf>	https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VJ1WzHI-VUuoHEJz4SRHUbl-5XnsURbqP5fIi8B4Kyg/edit
[23:44:23]  <Frostalf>	only way you can get bukkit plugins to be compatible is you have to use Bukkit API =/
[23:45:06]  <drtshock>	i don't see anywhere that it says plugins will work on both
[23:45:12]  <drtshock>	they've stated many times they won't
[23:45:23]  <drtshock>	there are people that intend to write something that allows them to, but that'd be third party
[23:46:16]  <Frostalf>	ah your right, mis-read it then
[23:47:00]  <Frostalf>	Still don't like forge though lol
[23:48:19]  <Frostalf>	my project aim is to make something similar to CB without using its code. This way, it remains easy to make plugins etc.
[23:48:32]  <Frostalf>	I also want to fix the part of servers crashing because of chunk errors -.-
[23:48:36]  <Frostalf>	that still annoys me
[23:48:50]  <drtshock>	good luck writing something similar that works with bukkit that doesn't violate the license in any way
[23:49:48]  <Frostalf>	it is easy to not violate the license on the Bukkit API, just can't contain minecraft code. However that doesn't mean I can't use the minecraft jar as a dependent library that is not shaded in.
[23:51:06]  <Frostalf>	Bukkit API is not licensed as LGPL which is what it should be, its licensed as GPL, which means, I can update and modify the API as I see fit because it doesn't work by itself
[23:51:35]  <drtshock>	i meant CB's license
[23:52:05]  <Frostalf>	the CB server I am keeping private, as I said for the public after I update CB, I will make my own server implementation that uses Bukkit API
[23:52:14]  <Frostalf>	this way bukkit plugins will work, but the implementation is not CB
[23:53:29]  <Frostalf>	but since I won't be including mc source at all, just using the jar as a library the bukkit api will need some updating to make it work, hopefully without breaking plugins or very minimally will they break.
[23:53:41]  <drtshock>	good luck
[23:53:55]  <Frostalf>	Thanks
[00:41:24]  <drtshock>	[2:05:01 AM] Andrew - Frostalf: now onto the 1.8 server deal
[00:41:24]  <drtshock>	[2:06:01 AM] Andrew - Frostalf: getting a fully functional 1.8 server going requires a lot of work and so far I am the only one working on it. there is approximately 2-3k source files totalling about a good 1million lines of code approximately.
[00:41:24]  <drtshock>	lol
[00:43:00]  <drtshock>	lol reading your convo with drew. this is fucking hilarious.
[01:08:51]  <Frostalf>	I exagerated the number
[01:09:05]  <Frostalf>	which Drew seems to really care about that it was exagerated
[01:09:21]  <drtshock>	that's funny
[01:09:43]  <Frostalf>	I didn't feel like counting the lines and it was also late at night lol
[01:09:56]  <drtshock>	lol ok
[01:09:58]  <Frostalf>	Anyways, I never demanded anything from Drew
[01:10:00]  <Frostalf>	=/
[01:10:16]  <Frostalf>	Which he took me PM'ing him as demanding I guess
[01:10:30]  <drtshock>	you were an ass to him
[01:10:53]  <Frostalf>	At which point do you refer that I was ass to him?
[01:11:02]  <Frostalf>	do you mean before he removed me or afterwards?
[01:11:15]  <drtshock>	[6:25:43 PM] Andrew - Frostalf: but you are only an immature 19 year old so what do you know?
[01:11:15]  <drtshock>	[6:26:24 PM] Drew: I though you removed me
[01:11:15]  <drtshock>	[6:34:15 PM] Andrew - Frostalf: guess you don't know how to use skype
[01:11:15]  <drtshock>	[6:34:17 PM] Andrew - Frostalf: doesn't surprise me
[01:11:15]  <drtshock>	[6:34:21 PM] Andrew - Frostalf: you are only a java coder
[01:11:15]  <drtshock>	[6:35:02 PM] Drew: You dont know what or who I am
[01:11:15]  <drtshock>	[6:35:15 PM] Drew: If you are so mature about this, you can stop contacting me and move on
[01:11:15]  <drtshock>	[6:35:26 PM] Drew: Im sorry we dont have a need for you, but thats just how things work
[01:11:15]  <drtshock>	[6:36:03 PM] Andrew - Frostalf: Yes I do know who and what you are and everything else. Unlike you who has never done much with their life, I was trained in the military to do specific things with satellites.
[01:11:15]  <drtshock>	[6:36:14 PM] Andrew - Frostalf: Satellites and other systems
[01:11:15]  <drtshock>	[6:36:21 PM] Andrew - Frostalf: so no you don't know me
[01:11:15]  <drtshock>	[6:36:23 PM] Drew: Thats great
[01:11:15]  <drtshock>	[6:36:31 PM] Drew: I never claimed to
[01:11:28]  <Frostalf>	that is after he removed me, I was mad and irritated
[01:11:37]  <drtshock>	you should learn to control your emotions a bit better.
[01:11:40]  <drtshock>	at all*
[01:12:07]  <Frostalf>	Eh, not like he was going to be letting me back to begin with, which I never expected
[01:12:48]  <Frostalf>	As far as I am concerned, I was removed for questioning Chasky on whether or not she knew what a SysAdmin does
[01:12:56]  <Frostalf>	because she was trying to define a SysAdmin's job
[01:14:41]  <Frostalf>	But yes I was an ass to him and I don't regret it either.
[01:16:18]  <drtshock>	that's sad
[01:16:54]  <Frostalf>	If you think so? o.O
[01:17:14]  <drtshock>	And you wonder why they didn't want you there.
[01:17:33]  <Frostalf>	due note, this is after they removed, not during the time I was there
[01:17:40]  <drtshock>	exactly
[01:18:00]  <Frostalf>	the point being, I didn't do anything to warrant a removal during my time at SNW o.O
[01:18:06]  <Frostalf>	the only thing I did was question Chasky
[01:18:13]  <Frostalf>	is that so terrible?
[01:18:34]  <Frostalf>	Sure, after I was removed, I didn't care about what I said to them
[01:18:43]  <Frostalf>	why should I care? I wasn't going back
[01:18:48]  <drtshock>	you were an unnecessary expense
[01:19:19]  <Frostalf>	They weren't paying me, nor did they talk about paying me either. Nor was that even brought up as to why I was removed
[01:19:26]  <drtshock>	just because you aren't going to need someone again in the immediate future doesn't give you the right to be a prick to them.
[01:19:46]  <drtshock>	ok. still. they have no issues doing the sysadmin work on mc-sg. they didn't want one on snw.
[01:19:48]  <Frostalf>	I don't need them?
[01:21:27]  <Frostalf>	Well, it would had been nice if they would just stated that to begin with
[01:21:44]  <drtshock>	nothing gives you the right to be a prick to them.
[01:22:01]  <drtshock>	blaming you being an ass on them just shows what kind of person you are and further validates your removal
[01:22:44]  <Frostalf>	yes, being an ass after I am removed justifies their reasons, because I never did it before hand
[01:22:48]  <Frostalf>	that makes logical sense
[01:22:57]  <drtshock>	i said validates
[01:22:57]  <Frostalf>	what I do in the future validates the past
[01:24:48]  <Frostalf>	Anyways, either way, what has happened happened.
[01:25:09]  <Frostalf>	No use in arguing over it, not like it changes anything nor does anyone gain or benefit from it
[01:25:10]  <drtshock>	so look at it this way: you join a network and find someone that you can do their job and who is a complete ass hole. you remove them and everyone is like awww why did you do that? and no one believes you. but then they throw a tantrum like a 5 year old would and get all pissy with you, *validating* that half, then things run fine because you are able to do everything they did, *validating* the other half.
[01:25:24]  <drtshock>	i'd hope you learn from how horribly you handled yourself.
[01:25:30]  <Frostalf>	I wasn't an asshole while I was with SNW
[01:25:35]  <drtshock>	where did i say that
[01:25:52]  <Frostalf>	first line
[01:26:02]  <drtshock>	no, i said someone who is an ass hole.
[01:26:07]  <drtshock>	i didn't provide context
[01:26:17]  <drtshock>	stop nitpicking semantics trying to avoid the actual point.
[01:26:43]  <Frostalf>	your point, does not coincide with that I questioned Chasky and then minutes later I was removed
[01:26:59]  <drtshock>	they planned to remove you long before that
[01:27:19]  <Frostalf>	Well, instead of saying because of my attitude they removed me, they should have just said that.
[01:27:32]  <drtshock>	once again, you are blaming them.
[01:27:44]  <Frostalf>	I blame them for not telling the truth
[01:27:50]  <Frostalf>	I don't care if they wanted to remove me
[01:27:51]  <drtshock>	and for how you reacted.
[01:27:54]  <Frostalf>	just as long as you don't lie about it
[01:28:36]  <drtshock>	i don't know what they told you so i'm not going to argue their part.
[01:28:39]  <Frostalf>	There is a big difference between just lieing to the reason you are removing someone, and then telling the staff the same lie
[01:28:45]  <Frostalf>	instead of just saying, hey we didn't need him
[01:28:59]  <drtshock>	i'm telling you that you're an ass hole, you handled yourself like an ass hole, and you're blaming them for it.
[01:29:24]  <Frostalf>	Everyone is an asshole from time to time, I am not blaming them for being one, I can be one whenever I want I earned it
[01:29:27]  <Frostalf>	I fought in 2 wards
[01:29:29]  <Frostalf>	wars
[01:29:49]  <drtshock>	lol
[01:29:50]  <Frostalf>	I am entitled to be an asshole or however which way I want to act just as long as it harms no one
[01:29:55]  <drtshock>	lol
[01:31:28]  <drtshock>	i hate people that taunt others with their military service. if you did that so you could be an ass to others then i feel ashamed to live in a country where people like you defend me.
[01:32:04]  <drtshock>	i didn't serve myself but other people in my family have and they are more humble than others, sad that serving had the opposite effect on you.
[01:32:41]  <Frostalf>	I am humble majority of the time, but when someone wants to say I can't be an asshole, I will tell you every time I earned it
[01:32:50]  <drtshock>	i completely disagree
[01:32:59]  <drtshock>	nothing earns you the right to be an ass.
[01:33:23]  <drtshock>	at least you realize how big of an ass you are. i just wish you weren't so arrogant about your service.
[01:33:44]  <Frostalf>	I did what the great majority can never do
[01:33:57]  <drtshock>	oh so now you're better than everyone too
[01:34:29]  <Frostalf>	depends in which way you are talking about
[01:34:35]  <drtshock>	lmfao
[01:34:36]  <Frostalf>	I am not anymore human then the next person
[01:35:36]  <Frostalf>	However, if you want to compare intelligence, then yes, I am more intelligent then most people
[01:35:46]  <drtshock>	than*
[01:36:50]  <drtshock>	sad how you go out of your way to make points about how you are better than others.
[01:37:02]  <drtshock>	still further validating why they think you are an ass and didn't want you around.
[01:36:50]  <drtshock>	sad how you go out of your way to make points about how you are better than others.
[01:37:02]  <drtshock>	still further validating why they think you are an ass and didn't want you around.
[01:37:38]  <Frostalf>	But you are telling me these things as if I care somehow
[01:37:50]  <drtshock>	lol
[01:40:43]  <drtshock>	well this has been an enlightening chat. definitely entertaining.
[01:42:07]  <Frostalf>	Indeed, you seem to think how someone acts, so as long as it is hurting no one, someone doesn't have the right to. However, I do believe I have the right to act however I choose and that does include being an ass whether you agree or not, that is your opinion.
[01:42:18]  <drtshock>	alright if i show this to chat to a few people like drew?
[01:42:50]  <Frostalf>	Go for it. Not like I care what he does.
[01:43:35]  <Frostalf>	As far as I am concerned, I am creating my own Network and going to build my own mini-games and do what I want
[01:44:45]  <Frostalf>	Whatever Drew thinks of me doesn't matter, I am not part of SNW, nor does he have power over me. So what he thinks of me, is just that, what he thinks
[01:45:01]  <drtshock>	i'd agree with that considering he removed you from snw.
[01:45:41]  <Frostalf>	And that means what?
[01:45:50]  <drtshock>	"I am not part of SNW"
[01:45:52]  <drtshock>	correct
[01:46:00]  <drtshock>	[01:35:36]  <Frostalf>    However, if you want to compare intelligence, then yes, I am more intelligent then most people
[01:46:09]  <Frostalf>	Well, it would just be idiotic to say I was part of SNW
[01:46:09]  <drtshock>	your reasoning is extremely sound on this.
[01:46:23]  <Frostalf>	Correction that I am part of SNW
[01:46:39]  <drtshock>	what
[01:46:55]  <Frostalf>	add what I said to the the part of being idiotic, at the end
[01:47:19]  <Frostalf>	[23:46:02] <Frostalf> Well, it would just be idiotic to say I was part of SNW
[01:47:34]  <Frostalf>	what I was meaning to say, it would be idiotic to say that I am part of SNW
[01:48:01]  <Frostalf>	because I was part of SNW at one point, was just correcting my grammar usage
[01:48:13]  <drtshock>	ok
[01:48:13]  <drtshock>	ok
[01:52:20]  <drtshock>	let's just hope you don't exploit your position and use the code that you have no rights to on gitlab that you so kindly hosted.
[01:54:09]  <Frostalf>	I have no intentions to use it, however, I did talk to Hawk about because he was also concerned, the only thing I do intend to use it for, is in a couple of the old projects there are some great code examples
[01:55:00]  <Frostalf>	as I said, I have my standards. I am capable of coding things on my own, however I do on occasion get stuck on some things just like every other coder, and it helps to have a reference if there is one.
[01:55:14]  <drtshock>	that's still exploiting your position
[01:55:30]  <drtshock>	but you fought in 2 wars so i suppose you believe you're entitled to do that.
[01:55:38]  <Frostalf>	An example would be, how to edit NBT tags
[01:56:15]  <drtshock>	https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=bukkit+how+to+edit+nbt+tags&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=bukkit+how+to+edit+nbt+tags+site:forums.bukkit.org&rls=en
[01:56:25]  <drtshock>	definitely nowhere else to find that ;p
[01:56:33]  <Frostalf>	I was giving an example of what I meant
[01:56:54]  <drtshock>	it's still exploiting your position.
[01:57:10]  <Frostalf>	How so?
[01:57:12]  <Frostalf>	o.O
[01:57:20]  <drtshock>	You were removed, you shouldn't have access to any of that. It's not yours.
[01:57:59]  <drtshock>	When you get fired from a job you don't just get to be like, "ok one sec though, gotta make copies of all important documents before I leave for reference when i create my own company to compete with this one!"
[01:58:12]  <Frostalf>	I didn't make copies
[01:58:14]  <Frostalf>	that is the thing
[01:58:25]  <drtshock>	stop arguing semantics
[01:58:49]  <drtshock>	the point is you have no rights to anything on there
[01:59:03]  <Frostalf>	SNW rented space on my Dedi, SNW said they were not going to rent my dedi anymore. I allowed them to get what they wanted before I closed everything off.
[01:59:40]  <Frostalf>	The only thing I just have not done, which I am not required to do, is I haven't deleted what is there.
[02:00:17]  <Frostalf>	Eventually it will be removed from my Dedi, because I need to re-install gitlab and I have no intentions of re-setting up all those projects on it
[02:01:23]  <Frostalf>	However, an interesting thing though, some of those projects I do have rights over because I contributed code, and unless you can show me a document I signed. I do believe I never gave SNW ownership of any of my copyrights
[02:04:15]  <Frostalf>	So, I can't exactly steal my own code
[02:04:27]  <Frostalf>	not from SNW anyhow
[02:05:02]  <drtshock>	correct.
[02:06:29]  <Frostalf>	So although you might think I am exploiting my position and Chasky and Drew are upset I have project source codes. They should have probably made sure all the details were ironed out before buying SNW
[02:07:04]  <Frostalf>	otherwise it is not my fault what they did not ensure
[02:07:11]  <drtshock>	Nothing they could do about you hosting it all and removing their access to it.
[02:07:22]  <drtshock>	and hawk not having CLAs or anything like he should have.
[02:07:46]  <Frostalf>	Actually they could have done something about me hosting it before SNW was bought by them
[02:08:37]  <Frostalf>	but they decided to do it the opposite way, they bought SNW blindly. I can't be faulted for their in-experience of buying a business
[02:08:42]  <Frostalf>	or the legalities of it
[02:09:34]  <Frostalf>	I removed their access after they git-cloned all the projects btw
[02:09:43]  <Frostalf>	my gitlab does tell me what people are doing
[02:10:13]  <Frostalf>	also, if they were something missed, they could have said something. But it was never brought up except them saying I stole code
[02:10:47]  <Frostalf>	But they could have asked Hawk for the CLA's
[02:11:08]  <Frostalf>	even though Hawk didn't have one for me
[02:11:15]  <drtshock>	he didn't have contracts for anyone or anything
[02:11:57]  <Frostalf>	oh, well I never knew that. Anyways Drew and Chasky could have still asked about it. This would have gave them insight in what to worry about
[02:12:03]  <Frostalf>	and what they should have done
[02:12:24]  <Frostalf>	even though Hawk didn't have CLA's for anyone, doesn't mean Chasky and Drew couldn't attempt to get CLA's from the Dev's
[02:12:38]  <Frostalf>	as that still solves the problem to an extent given the Dev's sign them
[02:13:31]  <Frostalf>	If they want my copyright to any code, they could attempt to talk to me about it. Highly doubt they will.
[02:13:54]  <drtshock>	you've made yourself pretty unapproachable.
[02:13:54]  <Frostalf>	Then they won't have to worry about me
[02:14:37]  <drtshock>	well, i have things to do in the morning so i'm going to get some sleep.
[02:14:45]  <drtshock>	it's been very entertaining. bye.
[02:15:00]  <Frostalf>	Alrighty good night, I will be willing to talk to them about it, but it is up to them.