Drupal 8 HTML5 Initiative Meeting #3

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[2011-06-28 15::54:18] jacine: There's a public calendar with the events here: https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=drupal8html5%40gmail.com&ctz=America/New_York
[2011-06-28 15::54:37] mortendk: sweet
[2011-06-28 15::54:48] jacine: Here's the iCal link: https://www.google.com/calendar/ical/drupal8html5%40gmail.com/public/basic.ics
[2011-06-28 15::55:12] jacine: XML: https://www.google.com/calendar/feeds/drupal8html5%40gmail.com/public/basic
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[2011-06-28 15::56:27] cosmicdreams: awesome, I can rename it too
[2011-06-28 15::56:38] cosmicdreams: to something that will attract my attention
[2011-06-28 15::56:50] mortendk: goddammit google apps ...
[2011-06-28 15::56:50] cosmicdreams: Now my phone will remind me as well.
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[2011-06-28 15::58:10] mortendk: so were on in 3 right ?
[2011-06-28 15::58:13] jacine: yup
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[2011-06-28 15::58:44] kombucha: 2 now
[2011-06-28 15::58:44] Druplicon: kombucha: 18 hours 25 min ago <bleen> tell kombucha check out http://engineindustries.com/blog/jason/list-nonprofit-npo-ngo-websites-using-drupal
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[2011-06-28 16::00:31] jacine: ok, people :D Let's get this party started! 
[2011-06-28 16::00:38] cosmicdreams: Rock
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[2011-06-28 16::00:44] mortendk: \mm/
[2011-06-28 16::00:46] DAVEREID: woo-hoo!
[2011-06-28 16::00:47] Druplicon: dances a jig
[2011-06-28 16::00:50] jacine: LOL
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[2011-06-28 16::01:02] DAVEREID: YAY HTML-5!!
[2011-06-28 16::01:09] jacine: Ok, so the first thing I wanted to discuss is improving the format of this meeting...
[2011-06-28 16::01:27] ericduran: .....
[2011-06-28 16::01:32] mortendk: jacine okay shoot
[2011-06-28 16::01:38] yoroy: listens in
[2011-06-28 16::01:39] jacine: I was thinking that we could split the time int discussing Phase 1 and Phase 2 issues.  30 minutes for each.
[2011-06-28 16::01:54] jacine: How does everyone feel about that?
[2011-06-28 16::01:59] mortendk: +1
[2011-06-28 16::02:01] cosmicdreams: page for reference?
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[2011-06-28 16::02:08] bstoppel: http://drupal.org/community-initiatives/drupal-core/html5#roadmap
[2011-06-28 16::02:18] jacine: thanks bstoppel :)
[2011-06-28 16::02:28] jbeach: C'est plein des gens ici
[2011-06-28 16::02:53] ericduran: Druplicon: html5-initiative is http://drupal.org/community-initiatives/drupal-core/html5#roadmap
[2011-06-28 16::02:53] Druplicon: ericduran: Okay.
[2011-06-28 16::02:55] jacine: jbeach: We are discussing changing the meeting format. I was thinking that we could split the time int discussing Phase 1 and Phase 2 issues.  30 minutes for each.
[2011-06-28 16::02:57] DAVEREID: jacine: +1
[2011-06-28 16::03:16] bstoppel: +1
[2011-06-28 16::03:31] ericduran: +1
[2011-06-28 16::03:34] aspilicious: Ok approved next?
[2011-06-28 16::03:36] aspilicious: :p
[2011-06-28 16::03:45] jacine: Ok, the reason is that I don't want us all to get totally caught up on the Phase 2 stuff, while we aren't making much progress with Phase 1.
[2011-06-28 16::03:48] jacine: So, thanks :D
[2011-06-28 16::04:14] jacine: Which brings me to Phase 1 stuff... There hasn't been a whole lot of activity in the issue queue.
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[2011-06-28 16::04:32] cosmicdreams: In regard to Phase 1 item 1: What javascript fallback strategy have we decided on?
[2011-06-28 16::04:36] jacine: We need patches reviewed and posted, etc.
[2011-06-28 16::04:49] jbeach: ok
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[2011-06-28 16::04:52] jacine: cosmicdreams: The issue is linked. 
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[2011-06-28 16::05:02] cosmicdreams: ah, blast my eyes
[2011-06-28 16::05:05] jacine:http://drupal.org/node/1077878
[2011-06-28 16::05:07] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1077878 => Add HTML5shiv to core => Drupal core, javascript, normal, postponed, 93 comments, 6 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::05:09] ericduran: we have patches in the queue, we need more people to review them
[2011-06-28 16::05:22] jacine: It's currently being held up by another issue... which needs review.
[2011-06-28 16::05:24] jacine: Exactly.
[2011-06-28 16::05:42] jacine: This is the only way we can make Drupal's code HTML5.
[2011-06-28 16::05:48] jacine: So, I'm wondering what the problem is.
[2011-06-28 16::06:07] jacine: Is it that people are busy?  Do we not know how to review or write patches?
[2011-06-28 16::06:12] jacine: Tell me :D  I'm listening.
[2011-06-28 16::06:15] aspilicious: ===> http://drupal.org/node/865536
[2011-06-28 16::06:18] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/865536 => drupal_add_js() is missing the 'browsers' option => Drupal core, javascript, major, needs work, 21 comments, 5 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::06:19] ericduran: we can't review our own patches ;)
[2011-06-28 16::06:31] jacine: right... we cannot  commit our own patches either.
[2011-06-28 16::06:35] aspilicious: We need to find somebody who actually can fix this
[2011-06-28 16::06:50] aspilicious: thats the key problem at the moment
[2011-06-28 16::06:53] jacine: yes, we do.
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[2011-06-28 16::07:00] mortendk: i have no idea of how to do patches ;)
[2011-06-28 16::07:02] jacine: but, more generally, why don't we have more issues being reviewed?
[2011-06-28 16::07:09] mortendk: seriously :/
[2011-06-28 16::07:15] cosmicdreams: In regard to : http://drupal.org/node/1077878, is it #82 that needs to be tested?
[2011-06-28 16::07:16] jacine: ok
[2011-06-28 16::07:16] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1077878 => Add HTML5shiv to core => Drupal core, javascript, normal, postponed, 93 comments, 7 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::07:33] aspilicious: cosmicdreams, that can't be tested
[2011-06-28 16::07:38] aspilicious: yet
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[2011-06-28 16::07:55] aspilicious: jacine I don't know
[2011-06-28 16::08:09] aspilicious: jacine, I think there are stil to many D7 bugs people are working on
[2011-06-28 16::08:13] jacine: Ok, so if I make a screencast showing people how to make, apply and revert patches, will that help?
[2011-06-28 16::08:22] jacine: aspilicious: true
[2011-06-28 16::08:25] cosmicdreams: how do we move form on that patch?
[2011-06-28 16::08:28] possiblyaduck: absolutely
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[2011-06-28 16::08:34] linclark: jacine: I did one that shows how to start contributing to modules
[2011-06-28 16::08:37] mortendk: jacine yup at least from what i head from ppl in berlin this weekend
[2011-06-28 16::08:39] linclark: don't know if it will help at all
[2011-06-28 16::08:40] cosmicdreams: sorry I meant to ask how do we move forward on that patch?
[2011-06-28 16::08:44] jacine: linclark: you did?  :D :D
[2011-06-28 16::09:01] aspilicious: cosmicdreams, we have to fix this: http://drupal.org/node/865536
[2011-06-28 16::09:02] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/865536 => drupal_add_js() is missing the 'browsers' option => Drupal core, javascript, major, needs work, 21 comments, 6 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::09:15] aspilicious: we need a code with js skills and php skills and more of that
[2011-06-28 16::09:20] aspilicious: coder*
[2011-06-28 16::09:20] linclark: jacine: yep, not sure if it's what's you're looking for, but might just be :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRlXTinjs4o
[2011-06-28 16::09:36] jacine: linclark: ok, great thank you! I will take a look after this meeting. You rock :)
[2011-06-28 16::09:45] jbeach: cosmicdreams, sorry, are you talking about this patch? http://drupal.org/node/1077878#comment-4534970
[2011-06-28 16::09:46] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1077878 => Add HTML5shiv to core => Drupal core, javascript, normal, postponed, 93 comments, 8 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::09:54] cosmicdreams: bookmarking that video
[2011-06-28 16::10:23] DAVEREID: has not been good about following up with the form element issues last week - will sprint on it this weekend
[2011-06-28 16::10:26] jacine: Yes, so the Shiv patch is being held up by the drupal_add_js() issue. We only need to add the shiv code for IE8 and under, and drupal_add_js() needs to be able to do that.
[2011-06-28 16::10:42] cosmicdreams: I'll have to read through that issue to be able to help out.
[2011-06-28 16::10:42] jacine: DAVEREID: you are THE most active person working on the initiative. You are awesome.
[2011-06-28 16::10:43] paulmckibben: Sorry for the potentially dumb question, but can *anyone* in the community review a patch, or is particular expertise or other "blessing" required?
[2011-06-28 16::10:58] ericduran: DAVEREID: I review and bumped the simples issues to get
[2011-06-28 16::11:00] jacine: paulmckibben: Yes! Anyone can and should review any patch :) 
[2011-06-28 16::11:29] jacine: paulmckibben: This is how we get issues committed.  After enough reviews someone marks it ready to be committed and then it gets committed :D
[2011-06-28 16::11:37] jacine: Nothing goes anywhere without that happening.
[2011-06-28 16::11:47] ericduran: most of the form issues already have patches, and some are RTBC
[2011-06-28 16::12:05] jacine: I wrote up the process here: http://drupal.org/node/1091430
[2011-06-28 16::12:06] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1091430 => Contributing to the HTML5 Initiative => 2 comments, 3 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::12:06] ericduran: I didn't mark my own issues RTBC, but it'll be glad too ;-p
[2011-06-28 16::12:08] cosmicdreams: so with Phase 1 item 1 we need to buckle down on the drupal_add_js issue in order to move forward, I'll concentrate my efforts there for the next two weeks.
[2011-06-28 16::12:25] paulmckibben: jacine: thanks! So when I go home tonight I will install Drupal 8 and try out that patch. Do I just need to comment that it "works for me"? Who decides when the status should be changed to RTBC?
[2011-06-28 16::12:32] jacine: Also, the thing is that the Shiv issue does not mean that patches cannot be posted reviewed elsewhere.
[2011-06-28 16::12:45] bstoppel: I'll start reviewing patches. Is there anyway to know which patches are a priority?
[2011-06-28 16::12:48] yoroy: paulmckibben: be more specific than that if you can.
[2011-06-28 16::12:50] jacine: paulmckibben: anyone can decide, after there is general agreement in the issue.
[2011-06-28 16::13:12] jacine: ... that the patch is ready
[2011-06-28 16::13:19] cosmicdreams: With Phase 1 issue 2 there seems to be some movement with patches.  I've tried to cut my teeth with the patch for the aggregator list (I think)
[2011-06-28 16::13:23] paulmckibben: yoroy, jacine, thanks. I'll give it a whirl and comment as specifically as I can.
[2011-06-28 16::13:27] yoroy: paulmckibben: do you think the code looks good, in what ways did you try to break it etc.
[2011-06-28 16::13:29] jbeach: Great, I'll review later tonight after work
[2011-06-28 16::13:34] jacine: cool :D
[2011-06-28 16::13:39] jbeach: the drupal_add_js() patch
[2011-06-28 16::13:43] jacine: woot :D
[2011-06-28 16::13:54] paulmckibben: exactly - 865536
[2011-06-28 16::14:12] cosmicdreams: As soon as I'm confortable with the process I'll set out to at least start patches with all of the other issues that have been created for templates.
[2011-06-28 16::14:14] jacine: There is plenty of work to do, converting templates to use HTML5 markup: http://drupal.org/node/1193054
[2011-06-28 16::14:15] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1193054 => Re-factor templates and theme functions to use new HTML5 elements => 0 comments, 1 IRC mention
[2011-06-28 16::14:22] aspilicious: Yes I think we should have a goal between each session
[2011-06-28 16::14:29] aspilicious: the drupal_add_js must be such a goal ;)
[2011-06-28 16::14:36] jacine: Same goes for Form API stuff: http://drupal.org/node/1183606
[2011-06-28 16::14:38] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1183606 => Implement Form API support for new HTML5 elements => 0 comments, 7 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::14:45] jacine: aspilicious: Right!
[2011-06-28 16::14:46] cosmicdreams: I'll leave the further refactoring / perfecting to reviewers as I go.
[2011-06-28 16::14:57] ericduran: jacine: most of the form api are in need review
[2011-06-28 16::14:59] aspilicious: jacine, I think you should anonce it as a goal somewhere
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[2011-06-28 16::15:10] aspilicious: the one thing we would like to get fixed between two weeks
[2011-06-28 16::15:19] jbeach: 
      http://drupal.org/node/1193054
    
[2011-06-28 16::15:20] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1193054 => Re-factor templates and theme functions to use new HTML5 elements => 0 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::15:21] jacine: Which brings me to the next discussion item... We should set some goals now for a "Sprint 1" and start tagging some issues we want to see fixed over the next month.
[2011-06-28 16::15:22] aspilicious: jacine, like an agile approach to this
[2011-06-28 16::15:25] jbeach: I think they're listed here
[2011-06-28 16::15:29] jacine: aspilicious: exactly.
[2011-06-28 16::15:45] cosmicdreams: Love that idea
[2011-06-28 16::15:51] jbeach: +1
[2011-06-28 16::15:52] jacine: So, we've got the Shiv and JS issue... We should tag those.
[2011-06-28 16::15:58] jacine: arianek: you there?
[2011-06-28 16::15:58] jbeach: having a sprint end date would be groovy too
[2011-06-28 16::16:00] aspilicious: jacine, ONLY those
[2011-06-28 16::16:07] mortendk: +1
[2011-06-28 16::16:08] aspilicious: jacine it makes the process easier
[2011-06-28 16::16:22] arianek: jacine: hey - ya just doing docs hour, but not too busy - how goes?
[2011-06-28 16::16:29] jacine: jbeach: yes, I think a month is a good target.... what about you?
[2011-06-28 16::16:33] jacine: arianek: oh crap. 
[2011-06-28 16::16:43] jbeach: be bold, say two weeks for those two issues
[2011-06-28 16::16:44] jacine: arianek: I was wondering what we should tag our issues for the first sprint
[2011-06-28 16::16:44] aspilicious: jacine, I'm willing to review things more likely if there are 2 issiues in stead of 10
[2011-06-28 16::16:45] jbeach: by next meeting
[2011-06-28 16::17:03] jacine: jbeach: ok, that sounds reasonable :)
[2011-06-28 16::17:06] arianek: jacine: i find it helps a lot just to be able to track what you're focusing on
[2011-06-28 16::17:19] jacine: arianek: is there any particular format we should use?
[2011-06-28 16::17:25] jacine: html5-sprint-1?
[2011-06-28 16::17:40] ericduran: html5-current-sprint
[2011-06-28 16::17:45] arianek: jacine: for docs i've been using "Sprint: [month] 2011" cause it makes it easy to find in autocomplete ;)
[2011-06-28 16::17:56] aspilicious: Ok :) so 1) is there someone who has the knowledges to fix this in this irc room? (the add js stuff) or do we have to convince someone else?
[2011-06-28 16::17:58] cosmicdreams: d8-html5-sprint-1 (for historical purposes)
[2011-06-28 16::18:05] jacine: arianek: ok, thanks :)  
[2011-06-28 16::18:21] ericduran: aspilicious: I'll do the provide a patch for the js stuff later
[2011-06-28 16::18:31] aspilicious: ericduran, great
[2011-06-28 16::18:32] ericduran: hasn't payed much attention to anything besides form api
[2011-06-28 16::18:36] mortendk: html5-sprint-1 will work
[2011-06-28 16::18:36] cosmicdreams: aspilicious: I haven't taken a look at it yet so I can't comment
[2011-06-28 16::18:52] aspilicious: so lets say, try to have a olution in 2 weeks, and get it "approved" in a month?
[2011-06-28 16::18:59] aspilicious: solution*
[2011-06-28 16::19:08] arianek: jacine: no worries :)
[2011-06-28 16::19:17] jacine: aspilicious: I think that's a decent goal too.  
[2011-06-28 16::19:20] jacine: arianek++
[2011-06-28 16::19:32] aspilicious: mortendk, you maybe can't patch but you can make t-shirts
[2011-06-28 16::19:33] jacine: It's up to you guys...
[2011-06-28 16::19:38] arianek: jacine++
[2011-06-28 16::19:53] mortendk: aspilicious:  i sure can and i can patch em to ;)
[2011-06-28 16::19:55] ericduran: jacine: I think we can go big and commit to 3 issues
[2011-06-28 16::19:56] bstoppel: Has using the techniques in HTML5Boilerplate been discussed, namely Modernizr, x-ua-compatible, mobile viewports, icons.. Seems like boilerplate can go a long way toward figuring out a lot of problems in phase 1.
[2011-06-28 16::20:09] jacine: ericduran: good!  We've got a lot of work to do.
[2011-06-28 16::20:34] mortendk: do we have an concensus around the 2 week to get shit done aproach ?
[2011-06-28 16::20:48] ericduran: mortendk: I believe so
[2011-06-28 16::20:51] mortendk: seems like it /me reads backlog
[2011-06-28 16::20:55] aspilicious: mortendk, 2 weeks get shit done, 1 month to get those changes approved by the community
[2011-06-28 16::20:55] cosmicdreams: +1 from me
[2011-06-28 16::20:58] paulmckibben: mortendk: agreed on getting shit done in 2 weeks ;)
[2011-06-28 16::21:07] jbeach: mortendk, yes
[2011-06-28 16::21:24] bstoppel: When working on these issues would it be good to meet here on the IRC?
[2011-06-28 16::21:26] jacine: Ok, so let's agree on a tag... I'm sort of leaning towards what ariane posted instead of the dashes.
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[2011-06-28 16::21:32] ericduran: since you're all here, go review this one -- http://drupal.org/node/1174694
[2011-06-28 16::21:33] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1174694 => Support the #placeholder FAPI property for native HTML5 placeholder support => Drupal core, forms system, normal, reviewed & tested by the community, 8 comments, 3 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::21:40] ericduran: ^^ is probably the simplest patch ever!
[2011-06-28 16::21:41] jacine: bstoppel: Yes, I try to be in here as much as possible
[2011-06-28 16::21:51] bstoppel: cool. thanks jacine.
[2011-06-28 16::21:53] jacine: The room always has at least 20 people in here :)
[2011-06-28 16::22:03] cosmicdreams: jacine: the Sprint: [month] 2011 format?
[2011-06-28 16::22:04] mortendk: jacine: what was that ariane posted
[2011-06-28 16::22:07] jacine: yes
[2011-06-28 16::22:15] cosmicdreams: It will work
[2011-06-28 16::22:16] jacine: except not a month, 2 weeks
[2011-06-28 16::22:22] jacine: so we can use a number
[2011-06-28 16::22:27] DAVEREID: jacine: last I had heard Dries is not positive about committing patches which start to diverge drupal8 from drupal7 - maybe we need to communicate with him we're trying to sprint and actually get stuff in?
[2011-06-28 16::22:29] cosmicdreams: the html5 context will already be tagged
[2011-06-28 16::22:33] mortendk: sprint june 2011 but that not weeks or defined what we sprint ?
[2011-06-28 16::22:36] dougvann: adds the #drupal-html5 to open automatically when my client opens ;-)
[2011-06-28 16::22:38] arianek: jacine: ya i posted that into the initiative and PM groups a while back to suggest as a consistent method - of course i was suggesting montly sprints so if you want 2 week ones you'd have to adapt
[2011-06-28 16::22:41] arianek: ya
[2011-06-28 16::22:55] jacine: yep :)
[2011-06-28 16::22:58] linclark: should there be automated tests for any of these things?
[2011-06-28 16::22:59] arianek: so maybe then "Sprint: July 2011 - 1" or something?
[2011-06-28 16::23:07] aspilicious: DAVEREID, its ok they won't be commited now, if they are green we can focus on others
[2011-06-28 16::23:10] ericduran: linclark: for all of them ;)
[2011-06-28 16::23:18] cosmicdreams: how about a Sprint: 1 html5
[2011-06-28 16::23:19] jbeach: jacine, do we have a branch we're committing to? instead of HEAD?
[2011-06-28 16::23:34] ericduran: jbeach: not right now, but we should probably get one.
[2011-06-28 16::23:36] jacine: DAVEREID:  Yeah... I guess we do need to discuss this, but Dries is well aware that we are moving along and getting into coding.
[2011-06-28 16::23:39] cosmicdreams: or just Sprint: # (# = number)
[2011-06-28 16::23:50] jacine: jbeach: I have a sandbox
[2011-06-28 16::23:53] jacine: one sec
[2011-06-28 16::23:53] mortendk: question as an old facist planner that i am ...if we uses dates and breaks into other months wont that screw the system ?
[2011-06-28 16::24:02] jacine: let's just use numbers.
[2011-06-28 16::24:07] jbeach: jacine, I mean an official branch of 8.x where our initiative lives
[2011-06-28 16::24:11] jacine: we can use the meeting numbers
[2011-06-28 16::24:13] jbeach: we'd merge it in when it's ready
[2011-06-28 16::24:21] jacine: jbeach: We are officially using sandboxes.
[2011-06-28 16::24:28] ericduran: jacine: you have a sandbox?
[2011-06-28 16::24:30] jbeach: not sure how Dries is managing initiative code
[2011-06-28 16::24:39] jbeach: oh, ok
[2011-06-28 16::24:48] linclark: ericduran: so are you thinking about writing a test for that one? or holding off.... cause I write a lot of markup tests anyways, I could help out on that front if needed
[2011-06-28 16::24:53] jacine: yes: http://drupal.org/sandbox/Jacine/1191296
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[2011-06-28 16::25:07] jacine: Commits will go here - NO ISSUES THOUGH.
[2011-06-28 16::25:17] cosmicdreams: booking jacine's sandbox
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[2011-06-28 16::25:25] jacine: And then they will go back to core in chunks as far as I understand.
[2011-06-28 16::25:42] jbeach: *nods*
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[2011-06-28 16::25:51] jacine: We are going to be having a discussion about this over the next week or so. I still don't know all the details.
[2011-06-28 16::25:53] DAVEREID: jacine: how will we be using the sandbox?
[2011-06-28 16::25:54] ericduran: linclark: are you talking about the placeholder patch?
[2011-06-28 16::26:23] jbeach: for any gitters out there, you can set up this repo as a remote in your drupal repo
[2011-06-28 16::26:27] aspilicious: I suggest the follwoing for us. When sprnt goals are finished, we add those to the sandbox for testing
[2011-06-28 16::26:36] jacine: DAVEREID: I'm still not entirely sure of the specifics, but the issues will be in the core queue
[2011-06-28 16::26:46] aspilicious: no?
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[2011-06-28 16::27:00] cosmicdreams: aspilicious: sounds sensible
[2011-06-28 16::27:00] jbeach: hmmm, I really think this should just be a branch of 8.x, instead of a sandbox
[2011-06-28 16::27:04] ericduran: aspilicious: we need to keep the proper patches in the core issue queue
[2011-06-28 16::27:05] aspilicious: that way we don't have to wait for dries or webchick
[2011-06-28 16::27:06] jbeach: it's easier to manage
[2011-06-28 16::27:11] aspilicious: ericduran, yes
[2011-06-28 16::27:19] aspilicious: do all the stuff in the core
[2011-06-28 16::27:36] jacine: There is an issue about this in the drupal initiatives group
[2011-06-28 16::27:39] aspilicious: but when sprint goals are done add to the sandbox so I can test without patching every single patch over and over again
[2011-06-28 16::27:45] cosmicdreams: yes as long as the sandbox is kept up to date.
[2011-06-28 16::27:45] linclark: ericduran: yes
[2011-06-28 16::28:00] jacine: 
      http://groups.drupal.org/node/148184
    
[2011-06-28 16::28:02] Druplicon: http://groups.drupal.org/node/148184 => Working with git => 12 comments, 13 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::28:08] ericduran: linclark: just tagged it needs-test
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[2011-06-28 16::28:32] cosmicdreams: sounds like we have the next two weeks all figured out now
[2011-06-28 16::28:33] jacine: Yes, the sandbox will need to be updated on a regular basis.
[2011-06-28 16::28:53] aspilicious: Ok so do we have 2 or 3 issues for the first sprint and what will be the tag. tik tak tik tak 2 minutes left for phase 1
[2011-06-28 16::28:53] amateescu: aspilicious: you can do that with a local branch
[2011-06-28 16::29:07] aspilicious: 
      
        :p
      
    
[2011-06-28 16::29:08] jbeach: jacine, I stress, this should be a branch and not a sandbox. I'm done soapboxing on that.
[2011-06-28 16::29:18] jacine: jbeach: It's not my choice :)
[2011-06-28 16::29:20] jbeach: Dries is no git expert
[2011-06-28 16::29:23] aspilicious: amateescu, don't like that but yeah I can do that
[2011-06-28 16::29:27] jbeach: maybe he just needs some advic
[2011-06-28 16::29:40] jacine: jbeach: You can post a comment in that issue I just referenced if you want ;) 
[2011-06-28 16::29:40] ericduran: jbeach: a branch on drupal core would be nicer
[2011-06-28 16::29:44] aspilicious: jbeach, there are no tools for it yet
[2011-06-28 16::29:46] jacine: I don't really care either way...
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[2011-06-28 16::29:54] ericduran: aspilicious: no tools are needed
[2011-06-28 16::29:55] jbeach: aspilicious, what do you mean?
[2011-06-28 16::30:06] jbeach: git does branches very cleanly
[2011-06-28 16::30:09] paulmckibben: So when we review patches, should we install drupal 8 from this sandbox, or should we use the core drupal 8 repo?
[2011-06-28 16::30:10] » betz joined the chat room.
[2011-06-28 16::30:23] jacine: In my sandbox there is an 8.x branch and an HTML5 branch.
[2011-06-28 16::30:26] amateescu: paulmckibben: core for now
[2011-06-28 16::30:28] aspilicious: jbeach, don't know the techincal details but some said there were some issues. (I hide now because I'm not an exper)
[2011-06-28 16::30:32] ericduran: paulmckibben: patches should be made agains the 8.x branch of drupal core
[2011-06-28 16::30:44] paulmckibben: amateescu, ericduran - thanks!
[2011-06-28 16::30:48] jbeach: aspilicious, hmmm, I've not heard any issues with git branches
[2011-06-28 16::30:54] jbeach: maybe in the Drupal management of them
[2011-06-28 16::30:57] jbeach: but that's process, not code
[2011-06-28 16::31:00] aspilicious: jbeach, git CORE branches
[2011-06-28 16::31:04] cosmicdreams: Should we start the discussion about phase 2?
[2011-06-28 16::31:08] jacine: Yes please ;)
[2011-06-28 16::31:25] ericduran: html5-initiative?
[2011-06-28 16::31:25] Druplicon: html5-initiative is http://drupal.org/community-initiatives/drupal-core/html5#roadmap
[2011-06-28 16::31:36] cosmicdreams: Should we really eliminate support for IE6 ?
[2011-06-28 16::31:36] ericduran: forgot what phase 2 is
[2011-06-28 16::31:37] jacine: If anyone has questions or issues about the GIT stuff, I would encourage you to post a comment here: http://groups.drupal.org/node/148184
[2011-06-28 16::31:38] Druplicon: http://groups.drupal.org/node/148184 => Working with git => 12 comments, 14 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::31:51] amateescu: i'd like to postpone the shiv and drupal_add_js to phase 2. SHOCK :)
[2011-06-28 16::32:09] jacine: cosmicdreams: Dropping IE6 support isn't really directly relevant to this initiative.
[2011-06-28 16::32:10] aspilicious: amateescu, you can't do that
[2011-06-28 16::32:16] ericduran: hmm, phone 2 are big projects in them self
[2011-06-28 16::32:18] cosmicdreams: ah then nevermind.
[2011-06-28 16::32:22] amateescu: and the reason is this: http://bugs.jquery.com/ticket/6485
[2011-06-28 16::32:24] aspilicious: amateescu, you can't add stuff if IE doesn't work
[2011-06-28 16::32:46] jacine: amateescu: We cannot do that. We need to be able to browser test as we go.  If it goes into jQuery, we can easily remove the shiv.
[2011-06-28 16::32:50] aspilicious: amateescu, I saw that but is that a general solution
[2011-06-28 16::33:05] jacine: That would be great... I hope it happens, but it doesn't have to screw us up right now.
[2011-06-28 16::33:19] amateescu: hm.. okay :)
[2011-06-28 16::33:44] jacine: Ok, so what do people want to talk about re: Phase 2.
[2011-06-28 16::33:50] ericduran: wonder if we should reach out to other members of the drupal community for some of phase 2
[2011-06-28 16::33:58] ericduran: Especially : WYSIWYG editor that uses contenteditable.
[2011-06-28 16::34:02] » squaretone joined the chat room.
[2011-06-28 16::34:08] ericduran: there's a couple of people looking into this for drupal 8
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[2011-06-28 16::34:20] jacine: ericduran: Yes... There are people that want to see that become a separate initiative entirely.
[2011-06-28 16::34:20] mortendk: ericduran:  afaik theres only one right now that tries to do that ?
[2011-06-28 16::34:21] ericduran: some might not be participating in these discussions
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[2011-06-28 16::34:37] linclark: ericduran: aloha does at least
[2011-06-28 16::34:41] mortendk: jacine: me thinks that would be a good idea
[2011-06-28 16::34:49] ericduran: yeah, but it is a big project
[2011-06-28 16::34:50] amateescu: yeah, webchick is a strong supporter of wysiwyg in d8
[2011-06-28 16::34:55] jacine: mortendk: having it as a separate initiative?
[2011-06-28 16::34:57] mortendk: so we can concentrate on getting the themelayer fixed now were here
[2011-06-28 16::35:01] jacine: yes, me too.
[2011-06-28 16::35:04] mortendk: jacine: yup
[2011-06-28 16::35:07] aspilicious: jacine, hmmm as it looks now it will be added to jquery 1.7
[2011-06-28 16::35:12] aspilicious: looks at the jquery road mpa
[2011-06-28 16::35:16] mortendk: it will just make a loads of noise
[2011-06-28 16::35:22] jacine: aspilicious: add a comment to the shiv issue. :)
[2011-06-28 16::35:27] ericduran: agree with mortendk
[2011-06-28 16::35:28] jacine: mortendk: agreed.
[2011-06-28 16::35:39] cosmicdreams: aspilicious: I'd be very interested in that link
[2011-06-28 16::35:42] jacine: So, what do we do?  Remove it from the roadmap?
[2011-06-28 16::35:48] ericduran: maybe, thats a big task
[2011-06-28 16::35:50] jacine: I didn't get much feedback on my post on g.d.o
[2011-06-28 16::36:06] jacine: It would be nice if y'all could say your piece there so I don't look like a dictator.
[2011-06-28 16::36:27] ericduran: is happy with jacine dictating lol
[2011-06-28 16::36:27] jacine: 
      http://groups.drupal.org/node/157339
    
[2011-06-28 16::36:28] Druplicon: http://groups.drupal.org/node/157339 => Drupal 8 HTML5 Initiative Roadmap Posted => 2 comments, 1 IRC mention
[2011-06-28 16::36:53] amateescu: jacine: maybe a dictator is required :)
[2011-06-28 16::37:00] jacine: LOL
[2011-06-28 16::37:14] possiblyaduck: a philospher king is fine with me
[2011-06-28 16::37:15] ericduran: nothing gets done unless there's a dictator ;)
[2011-06-28 16::37:21] jacine: oy
[2011-06-28 16::37:26] amateescu: ericduran: right on!
[2011-06-28 16::37:27] possiblyaduck: or queen
[2011-06-28 16::37:36] aspilicious: 
      http://bugs.jquery.com/roadmap
    
[2011-06-28 16::37:37] mortendk: we have a queen isnt that enough ;)
[2011-06-28 16::37:41] aspilicious: 1.7
[2011-06-28 16::37:48] aspilicious: HTML5 element support
[2011-06-28 16::37:57] jacine: ok, well then I will cross it out of the roadmap and refer to this transcript.
[2011-06-28 16::38:03] aspilicious: hmm amateescu interesting...
[2011-06-28 16::38:12] bstoppel: I would like to see more of the principles of HTML5Boilerplate added to this initiative. Paul Irish and Co have done some amazing work with it.
[2011-06-28 16::38:23] amateescu: aspilicious: wouldn't have said it otherwise..
[2011-06-28 16::38:28] jacine: bstoppel: I would especially like to see the htaccess stuff moved in.
[2011-06-28 16::38:29] aspilicious: amateescu, hahaha
[2011-06-28 16::38:41] linclark: bstoppel: are there specific issues we could add
[2011-06-28 16::38:41] ericduran: posted his 2 line feedback on the gdo post
[2011-06-28 16::38:44] jacine: bstoppel: The rest of it is going to be a piece by piece effort. 
[2011-06-28 16::38:54] jbeach: *head spins after reading /148184*
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[2011-06-28 16::39:06] bstoppel: Removing WYSIWYG  from Phase 2 makes sense. It is not really an HTML5 issue.
[2011-06-28 16::39:13] » betz left the chat room.
[2011-06-28 16::39:14] jacine: jbeach: word
[2011-06-28 16::39:21] amateescu: bstoppel: the .htaccess in html5boilerplate is not really html5-related
[2011-06-28 16::39:26] yoroy: jacine: fwiw, better to aim for "getting into a position that we can think about adding a wysiwyg" I think. If time, energy, resources are still there when you get there, open that can of worms then
[2011-06-28 16::39:31] jacine: ok cool, I'm glad we have consensus on that.
[2011-06-28 16::39:40] jacine: yeah ;)
[2011-06-28 16::39:41] bstoppel: I can add issues for the boiler plate stuff that seems to fit in with the HTML5 initiative...
[2011-06-28 16::40:28] jacine: bstoppel:  A lot of it is kinda not HTML5 related. It's more best practices, but cool to add nonetheless.
[2011-06-28 16::40:30] jbeach: *gives up on changing the sandbox repos. C'est la vie*
[2011-06-28 16::40:50] RobLoach: I like how the Previous Book Page on http://drupal.org/node/367318 is "NoIE6 module".
[2011-06-28 16::40:51] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/367318 => Recommended target browsers => 0 comments, 4 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::40:54] bstoppel: I agree, he .htaccess stuff might not be HTML5 specific, but it sure does help the server.
[2011-06-28 16::41:15] jacine: As far as selecting wrapper markup in the UI goes, we are still waiting for a proposal from tim plunkett.  If anyone wants to reach out to him and help that would be cool.
[2011-06-28 16::41:20] jbeach: If you can find and install Chrome 1, you get a cookie!
[2011-06-28 16::41:21] bstoppel: I'll add each as a separate issue. The merits can be discusses in the issue queue.
[2011-06-28 16::41:28] jacine: RobLoach: LOL
[2011-06-28 16::41:45] amateescu: bstoppel: jacine: yeah, those .htaccess improvements are great, but i think we should stay focused on html5, there's enough stuff to do here
[2011-06-28 16::41:50] ericduran: jbeach: that was fast
[2011-06-28 16::42:13] jacine: amateescu:  Of course. Like I said, they are not directly related to this initiative.
[2011-06-28 16::42:18] jbeach: ericduran, did you read /148184
[2011-06-28 16::42:21] jacine: I wont be committing them... 
[2011-06-28 16::42:38] amateescu: jacine: okay :)
[2011-06-28 16::42:43] jacine: :D
[2011-06-28 16::42:46] jbeach: a lot of thought went into that debate. where we are has momentum. It'd be really difficult to turn that boat around
[2011-06-28 16::42:54] ericduran: jbeach: http://drupal.org/node/148184?
[2011-06-28 16::42:54] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/148184 => 'Access Denied' after installation => 2 comments, 1 IRC mention
[2011-06-28 16::43:00] jacine: jbeach: Say your piece... Don't let that stop you.
[2011-06-28 16::43:04] jbeach: ericduran, oui
[2011-06-28 16::43:37] bstoppel: Does tuning the server to serve the right mime types for audio and video help browsers with html5 audio and video?
[2011-06-28 16::43:47] ericduran: jbeach: I like the branch idea, it would honestly be a lot easier
[2011-06-28 16::43:56] ericduran: jbeach: and it will keep us working in the core issue queue
[2011-06-28 16::44:11] amateescu: bstoppel: yeah, that's a good one
[2011-06-28 16::44:22] jbeach: ericduran, sigh, yes, I agree wholeheartedly
[2011-06-28 16::44:35] ericduran: jbeach: I must had the wrong nid
[2011-06-28 16::44:40] RobLoach: Have we noted http://drupal.org/node/1077510#comment-4155192 anywhere? Where has jmburnz been lately?
[2011-06-28 16::44:45] jacine: ericduran: It's g.d.o
[2011-06-28 16::44:46] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1077510 => Convert core templates and theme functions to HTML5 - Meta Issue => Drupal core, theme system, normal, active, 13 comments, 5 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::44:53] ericduran: ahhhh
[2011-06-28 16::45:04] jbeach: http://groups.drupal.org/node/148184
    
[2011-06-28 16::45:05] Druplicon: http://groups.drupal.org/node/148184 => Working with git => 12 comments, 15 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::45:13] jacine: RobLoach: Yep, there's a page in the handbook under the initiative for it
[2011-06-28 16::45:16] jbeach: ericduran, sorry :)
[2011-06-28 16::45:19] RobLoach: Excellent.
[2011-06-28 16::45:30] jacine: RobLoach: It doesn't have every single issue though: http://drupal.org/node/1193054
[2011-06-28 16::45:32] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1193054 => Re-factor templates and theme functions to use new HTML5 elements => 0 comments, 3 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::45:59] jacine: Everything in Phase 1 links off to one of these pages.
[2011-06-28 16::46:06] jacine: Or to an issue if it's small enough.
[2011-06-28 16::46:31] cosmicdreams: awesome
[2011-06-28 16::46:33] RobLoach: html5?
[2011-06-28 16::46:33] Druplicon: HTML5 is happening in Drupal! Join the HTML5 Group http://groups.drupal.org/html5. Checkout the HTML5 Tools module http://drupal.org/project/html5_tools and HTML5 Base Theme http://drupal.org/project/html5_base. Join IRC: irc://irc.freenode.net/#drupal-html5
[2011-06-28 16::46:38] cosmicdreams: bookmarks that page too
[2011-06-28 16::46:44] jacine: I think it'd be nice to get this one done: http://drupal.org/node/732992
[2011-06-28 16::46:47] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/732992 => Change filter_xss_admin() to have a variable alongside of the existing hardcoded list => Drupal core, filter.module, major, needs review, 94 comments, 14 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::46:50] jbeach: ericduran, more info
[2011-06-28 16::46:51] jbeach: 
      http://drupal.org/node/1181472
    
[2011-06-28 16::46:52] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1181472 => Forking Drupal core into a drupal.org git sandbox => 0 comments, 6 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::46:54] jacine: and back-ported to Drupal 7
[2011-06-28 16::47:01] RobLoach: Druplicon: html5 is also http://drupal.org/node/1193054 .
[2011-06-28 16::47:01] Druplicon: RobLoach: Okay.
[2011-06-28 16::47:02] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1193054 => Re-factor templates and theme functions to use new HTML5 elements => 0 comments, 4 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::47:11] jacine: Sorry. we are supposed to be talking about Phase 2. LOL
[2011-06-28 16::47:31] ericduran: jbeach: yeah I know how to work with git, it'll just be nice for the initiative if there was a core branch
[2011-06-28 16::47:33] jacine: RobLoach: this one too: http://drupal.org/node/1183606
[2011-06-28 16::47:34] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1183606 => Implement Form API support for new HTML5 elements => 0 comments, 8 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::47:45] ericduran: jbeach: I get the benefits and the drawbacks for webchick and/or dries
[2011-06-28 16::47:51] ericduran: jbeach: but thats fine. we'll make it work
[2011-06-28 16::48:01] cosmicdreams: so with the elimination of the WYSIWYG part of Phase 2 what should we fill our time with?  There doesn't seem like a whole lot to do in Phase 2
[2011-06-28 16::48:01] ericduran: 
      
        :)
      
    
[2011-06-28 16::48:15] ericduran: cosmicdreams: getting Phase 1 done ;P
[2011-06-28 16::48:25] yoroy: Druplicon: refactor templates is <reply>http://drupal.org/node/1193054
[2011-06-28 16::48:25] Druplicon: yoroy: Okay.
[2011-06-28 16::48:26] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1193054 => Re-factor templates and theme functions to use new HTML5 elements => 0 comments, 5 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::48:29] jacine: cosmicdreams: There is a hell of a lot in Phase 1 ;)
[2011-06-28 16::48:35] aspilicious: jacine I asked a question in the jquery isue queue. I asked if they had a html5 roadmap (with dates)
[2011-06-28 16::48:42] jacine: aspilicious: awesome!
[2011-06-28 16::48:47] cosmicdreams: ericduran: lol, yes, but Phase 1 will eventually be over
[2011-06-28 16::48:50] amateescu: aspilicious++
[2011-06-28 16::48:58] jacine: If there are things you guys would like to see in Phase 2, I'm all ears.
[2011-06-28 16::49:07] aspilicious: cookies
[2011-06-28 16::49:11] ericduran: thinks of some crazy idea
[2011-06-28 16::49:12] jacine: I asked when I posted the roadmap, but no one commented.
[2011-06-28 16::49:13] aspilicious: and drinks
[2011-06-28 16::49:15] amateescu: and ponies!
[2011-06-28 16::49:19] jacine: LOL
[2011-06-28 16::49:28] ericduran: jacine: thats because it was so pretty
[2011-06-28 16::49:34] jacine: haha
[2011-06-28 16::49:47] cosmicdreams: What would qualify as a proposal for Phase 2? Any HTML5+CSS3 technology with 80% adoption by browser market?
[2011-06-28 16::49:53] aspilicious: if you press awesome on your keyboard (at once) there must be a pony dancing on your screen
[2011-06-28 16::49:54] jacine: Ok, so maybe we shouldn't dedicate a 1/2 hour to Phase 2 every week.
[2011-06-28 16::50:06] jacine: maybe 40/20.
[2011-06-28 16::50:06] aspilicious: 3/4 phase 1
[2011-06-28 16::50:18] ericduran: cosmicdreams: any and all ideas are welcome
[2011-06-28 16::50:33] ericduran: ones we get them, we'll evaluate them like with did today
[2011-06-28 16::50:38] cosmicdreams: A lot of my ideas are about specific HTML5 technologies
[2011-06-28 16::50:41] aspilicious: so my job for the next sprint: spam the jquery devs, until they brake
[2011-06-28 16::50:59] ericduran: cosmicdreams: like jacine said post them up on the groups.drupal.org page, or here
[2011-06-28 16::51:04] ericduran: she's all ears
[2011-06-28 16::51:05] cosmicdreams: for example should we leverage HTML advancements in javascript templating to work well with the FormAPI?
[2011-06-28 16::51:07] ericduran: and so is everyone else
[2011-06-28 16::51:26] ericduran: cosmicdreams: there's a ticket open about using the data attributes
[2011-06-28 16::51:35] jacine: yeah, people are on board with that.
[2011-06-28 16::51:39] cosmicdreams: let me pull up the reference material I'm specifically talking about.
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[2011-06-28 16::52:01] jacine: cosmicdreams: post an issue about it, and post link to it in the roadmap post.
[2011-06-28 16::52:16] jacine: not for the data attributes, cuz that already exists.
[2011-06-28 16::52:28] cosmicdreams: yes, with our limited time, I think that's best
[2011-06-28 16::52:31] jacine: this way people can evaluate your idea and comment.
[2011-06-28 16::52:40] cosmicdreams: no I'm not so sure this is specifically about data elements
[2011-06-28 16::52:52] ericduran: http://drupal.org/node/1174938 -- would love some reviews ;)
[2011-06-28 16::52:53] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1174938 => Natively support the HTML5 #required FAPI property => Drupal core, forms system, normal, needs review, 16 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::53:11] cosmicdreams: and Actually now that I think of it, it may not be about a technology that's 80% adopted by browsers.
[2011-06-28 16::53:13] jacine: ericduran: Yeah, I think we need more FAPI people.
[2011-06-28 16::54:06] jacine: I have a feeling a good majority of people in here can't effectively review those.
[2011-06-28 16::54:18] ericduran: lately yched starting looking at them, if we're lucky he'll start participating :D
[2011-06-28 16::54:24] jacine: awesome! :)
[2011-06-28 16::54:30] amateescu: who wants to track down fago? :)
[2011-06-28 16::55:10] linclark: do you mean frando? or has fago been doing a lot with FAPI?
[2011-06-28 16::55:29] amateescu: isn't he a fapi maintainer?
[2011-06-28 16::55:40] linclark: fago works with entity API stuff
[2011-06-28 16::55:41] DAVEREID: ericduran: we probably should discuss 'disabling client validation' on a larger scale rather than required elements - that touches most of the new elements
[2011-06-28 16::55:50] linclark: frando is the render API person
[2011-06-28 16::55:58] aspilicious: do you guys realize we need a new color picker in core for the color fapi stuff
[2011-06-28 16::55:59] bstoppel: I have a phase 1 question. How do we want to handle users of older IE that don't have Javascript enabled (an edge case to be sure?)  AFAIK, the page won't render correctly at all.
[2011-06-28 16::56:16] ericduran: aspilicious: I've ignored that on purpose ;P
[2011-06-28 16::56:16] aspilicious: bstoppel, they are screwed
[2011-06-28 16::56:19] ericduran: I'll stay away fro that issue
[2011-06-28 16::56:37] aspilicious: ericduran, its not a problem as usuablity tests showed we needed to switch anyway ;)
[2011-06-28 16::56:48] jacine: bstoppel: There is no issue for implementing the color type yet: http://drupal.org/node/1183606. Feel free to create one and update that page.
[2011-06-28 16::56:50] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1183606 => Implement Form API support for new HTML5 elements => 0 comments, 9 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 16::56:52] ericduran: DAVEREID: hmm, that would be a weird one
[2011-06-28 16::56:59] ericduran: DAVEREID: what else has client validation?
[2011-06-28 16::57:06] DAVEREID: email fields, number fields
[2011-06-28 16::57:06] aspilicious: jacine I said the color stuf
[2011-06-28 16::57:12] jacine: oh sorry!!
[2011-06-28 16::57:21] ericduran: DAVEREID: yea, but the only way to disable the validation is not to use it
[2011-06-28 16::57:23] DAVEREID: ericduran: I don't think it's worth our time to disable client validation
[2011-06-28 16::57:29] ericduran: DAVEREID: same here
[2011-06-28 16::57:32] amateescu: bstoppel: it was decided that a core theme will be provided for ie6/7/8 support
[2011-06-28 16::57:33] bstoppel: should we politely tell them to enable javascript or download a newer browser?
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[2011-06-28 16::57:53] jacine: bstoppel: This page summarizes the shiv issue where it's being discussed: http://drupal.org/node/1179520
[2011-06-28 16::57:54] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1179520 => JavaScript fallback for HTML5 elements in non-supported browsers => 0 comments, 1 IRC mention
[2011-06-28 16::58:20] ericduran: DAVEREID: I did that on the required because it seem like a simple fix, the other elements it gets a lot more complicated
[2011-06-28 16::58:28] aspilicious: bstoppel, yes that would be an option.
[2011-06-28 16::58:34] jacine: amateescu: It won't be a core theme. It'll likely be contrib.
[2011-06-28 16::58:40] ericduran: DAVEREID: also do we really want to manage some sort of system that can switch them on or off :(
[2011-06-28 16::58:53] DAVEREID: ericduran: /me doesn't
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[2011-06-28 16::59:46] ericduran: jacine: as always, great meeting, looking forward to getting those 3 issues closed by the next meeting
[2011-06-28 16::59:50] jacine: Ok, so is everyone okay with the format of these meetings being 40/20 for Phase 1/2?
[2011-06-28 16::59:50] jbeach: bstoppel, if you're using IE8- without javascript, the internet must be a very strange place
[2011-06-28 16::59:51] ericduran: needs to run to another meeting
[2011-06-28 16::59:51] amateescu: jacine: i recall that is was for core, but contrib is fine too
[2011-06-28 16::59:57] jacine: ericduran: woot!! 
[2011-06-28 17::00:09] jacine: ericduran: thank you :)
[2011-06-28 17::00:15] cosmicdreams: jacine: see ya next time
[2011-06-28 17::00:20] ericduran: All: see you in the issue queues ha lol
[2011-06-28 17::00:24] amateescu: jacine: +1 for the new format
[2011-06-28 17::00:30] jbeach: ciao
[2011-06-28 17::00:31] ericduran: cracks himself up
[2011-06-28 17::00:40] jacine: amateescu: The reason for contrib is that it would be a nightmare to maintain in core.
[2011-06-28 17::00:44] DAVEREID: BYE ERICDRUAN
[2011-06-28 17::01:00] jacine: made a project for it: http://drupal.org/project/legacy
[2011-06-28 17::01:04] ericduran: BYE, DAVEREID
[2011-06-28 17::01:07] jacine: haha :)
[2011-06-28 17::01:10] jacine: you guys are funny.
[2011-06-28 17::01:15] ericduran: why is dave screaming all day today?
[2011-06-28 17::01:20] amateescu: jacine: right, forgot about that
[2011-06-28 17::01:21] jacine: Thanks everyone!
[2011-06-28 17::01:30] bstoppel: Thanks Jacine. Great meeting. I'll start working on things and showing up here more often... after my 4th of July vacation.
[2011-06-28 17::01:36] jacine: I'll post the transcript and summary online in the next day or so.
[2011-06-28 17::01:42] jacine: bstoppel: thank you!! :)
[2011-06-28 17::02:00] yoroy: jacine: what's the quick recap for now?
[2011-06-28 17::02:10] yoroy: action points? focus on?
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[2011-06-28 17::02:43] jacine: yoroy: we picked 3 issues for our first sprint, which will last 2 weeks. I'd have to read the backscroll to pick them out.
[2011-06-28 17::03:07] jacine: the format of the meetings will be 40 mins discussing Phase 1 items, and 20 mins discussing Phase 2 items.
[2011-06-28 17::03:24] ericduran: issue # 3 http://drupal.org/node/1174694
[2011-06-28 17::03:26] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1174694 => Support the #placeholder FAPI property for native HTML5 placeholder support => Drupal core, forms system, normal, reviewed & tested by the community, 10 comments, 4 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 17::03:27] aspilicious: jacine, hopedully I get answers from the jquery people soon
[2011-06-28 17::03:28] jacine: I'm going to post a screencast showing people how to create/apply/revert patches 
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[2011-06-28 17::03:43] kombucha: ericduran: RTBC?
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[2011-06-28 17::03:56] jacine: yoroy: and not sure what else I missed... Will have to go back and read later to make sure. ;)
[2011-06-28 17::04:04] ericduran: can't find the other 2 issues lol
[2011-06-28 17::04:16] jacine: the drupal_add_js() one, probably
[2011-06-28 17::04:26] ericduran: issue number # http://drupal.org/node/865536
[2011-06-28 17::04:27] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/865536 => drupal_add_js() is missing the 'browsers' option => Drupal core, javascript, major, needs work, 22 comments, 7 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 17::04:45] ericduran: and I believe last but not least http://drupal.org/node/1077878
[2011-06-28 17::04:46] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1077878 => Add HTML5shiv to core => Drupal core, javascript, normal, postponed, 93 comments, 9 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 17::05:06] ericduran: not sure about the last one
[2011-06-28 17::05:09] ericduran: runs
[2011-06-28 17::05:18] yoroy: voila! :)
[2011-06-28 17::05:18] ericduran: kombucha: almost but a test would be welcome
[2011-06-28 17::05:20] jacine: yeah, i think that's it.
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[2011-06-28 17::05:55] aspilicious: got bitten by his kittin because its storming...
[2011-06-28 17::06:10] jacine: ouch
[2011-06-28 17::06:55] yoroy: jacine: I have a screencast on using Aptana to clone core using Git. No command line, all through a (at times bafflingly cryptic) UI: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJbAFb0_GkY
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[2011-06-28 17::07:14] yoroy: still need to do the patch one
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[2011-06-28 17::07:24] jacine: yoroy: cool! linclark has one too.  I can do the mac tower version ;)
[2011-06-28 17::07:35] DAVEREID: jacine: oh, one thing I wanted to mention before, is we should add the HTML5 support to http://drupal.org/project/styleguide so that the new elements or markup is easier to review
[2011-06-28 17::07:55] jacine: DAVEREID: We need to figure out which project to work in.
[2011-06-28 17::08:22] jacine: DAVEREID: because sun and I have been doing that with the design project, for so many D7 issues.
[2011-06-28 17::08:27] mortendk: DAVEREID:  +1 for that one
[2011-06-28 17::08:46] ericduran|mtg: DAVEREID: sounds like a good idea
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[2011-06-28 17::08:57] ericduran: mtg cancelled lol
[2011-06-28 17::09:00] jacine: LOL
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[2011-06-28 17::09:43] jacine: but yeah, which ever one we end up using it will be critical to have the elements readily available for testing.
[2011-06-28 17::10:04] jacine: I know I used Design daily for D7.
[2011-06-28 17::10:19] linclark: ok, silly question
[2011-06-28 17::10:27] linclark: where are the simpletests for things like FAPI elements
[2011-06-28 17::10:44] jacine: has no idea.
[2011-06-28 17::10:46] linclark: I worked on simpletests for RDF module, but those went in the module.... can't find where non-module core tests are
[2011-06-28 17::11:08] DAVEREID: linclark: modules/simpletest/tests/*
[2011-06-28 17::11:16] linclark: DAVEREID: thanks!
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[2011-06-28 17::12:21] linclark: DAVEREID: jacine: think it would make sense to have an html5.test file?
[2011-06-28 17::12:34] linclark: or just add tests to the appropriate other files
[2011-06-28 17::12:40] linclark: like form.test
[2011-06-28 17::12:42] ericduran: linclark: I think the form_test work
[2011-06-28 17::12:43] DAVEREID: would probably add to form.test
[2011-06-28 17::13:04] ericduran: no need for a separate one
[2011-06-28 17::13:17] aspilicious: linclark, I know!!
[2011-06-28 17::13:21] jacine: linclark: The Design/Styleguide modules are more for testing CSS IMO. Totally separate from unit tests.
[2011-06-28 17::13:33] aspilicious: linclark, I made the number html 5 test
[2011-06-28 17::13:56] linclark: whoa, I'm getting confused
[2011-06-28 17::13:58] jacine: just in case that wasn't clear ;)
[2011-06-28 17::14:07] linclark: I was talking about for the placeholder patch
[2011-06-28 17::14:12] aspilicious: linclark, getting the issue
[2011-06-28 17::14:17] ericduran: linclark: is a lot easier to just add to the regular form api test instead
[2011-06-28 17::14:31] linclark: right, I understood what you were talking about
[2011-06-28 17::14:31] aspilicious: linclark, http://drupal.org/node/1174646
[2011-06-28 17::14:32] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1174646 => Add new HTML5 FAPI element: range => Drupal core, forms system, normal, needs work, 53 comments, 4 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 17::14:38] linclark: don't know what the styleguide test is
[2011-06-28 17::15:15] jacine: linclark: oh, ok nevermind... it's just a module that prints the elements on a page for easy theme testing.
[2011-06-28 17::15:27] linclark: ahhh, ok
[2011-06-28 17::15:34] jacine: :D
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[2011-06-28 17::18:15] jerryitt: is confused as to where to begin to help
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[2011-06-28 17::18:55] jacine: jerryitt: what do you feel comfortable doing?
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[2011-06-28 17::20:24] jerryitt: at the moment im just confused as to exactly what the overall game plan is.. must do some reading i think on all the links in this discussion
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[2011-06-28 17::21:00] jacine: jerryitt: maybe this video will help? http://jacine.net/post/7015193159/html5-initiative-ddceu
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[2011-06-28 17::21:53] CrashTest_: jacine++
[2011-06-28 17::21:56] jacine: jerryitt: It's probably also helpful to understand the process of how drupal core is actually changed.  I summarized this here: http://drupal.org/node/1091430
[2011-06-28 17::21:57] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1091430 => Contributing to the HTML5 Initiative => 2 comments, 4 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 17::22:00] jacine: CrashTest_: :D
[2011-06-28 17::22:35] jerryitt: jacine: thanks :)
[2011-06-28 17::23:06] jacine: jerryitt:  you're welcome. Try not to think about it too much. Just look through the issues and jump in where you think you can provide input.
[2011-06-28 17::23:24] RobLoach: jacine++
[2011-06-28 17::23:25] jacine: jerryitt: All of the issues are here: http://drupal.org/project/issues/search/drupal?status[]=Open&version[]=8.x&issue_tags=html5
[2011-06-28 17::23:33] jacine: blushes.
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[2011-06-28 17::24:06] DAVEREID: jacine++
[2011-06-28 17::24:11] DAVEREID: CAPSLOCK++
[2011-06-28 17::24:14] mortendk: jacine:  btw it was pretty awesome to have that cut in berlin - was a good way to get people to move their litthe asses
[2011-06-28 17::24:14] jerryitt: cheers
[2011-06-28 17::24:45] jacine: mortendk: well, it's all thanks to you ;)  If you didn't ask me for it relentlessly it wouldn't have happened, so thank you :D
[2011-06-28 17::25:01] jacine: DAVEREID: LOL
[2011-06-28 17::25:30] mortendk: jacine: yup i cant move all em fuckers towards the work of fixing d8 rigtht - but i can swing an axe
[2011-06-28 17::25:44] jacine: haha ;)
[2011-06-28 17::25:58] mortendk: ooh yeah  I GOT 35 MINUTS LEFT OF CAPSLOCK BIRTHDAY ...
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[2011-06-28 17::26:41] jacine: oh, is that what's going on?
[2011-06-28 17::26:42] jacine: haha
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[2011-06-28 17::28:22] RobLoach: mortendk: yOU KEEP FORGETTING THAT THERE ARE DIFFERENT TIMEZONES THAT STILL HAVE CAPSLOCK DAY GOIN.
[2011-06-28 17::28:41] mortendk: YES WE CAN GO AAAAALL NIGHT LONG
[2011-06-28 17::30:13] mortendk: omfg what did i do
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[2011-06-28 17::59:00] rupl: cosmicdreams: regarding http://drupal.org/node/1174634#comment-4626790
[2011-06-28 17::59:01] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1174634 => Add new HTML5 FAPI element: telephone => Drupal core, forms system, normal, needs review, 7 comments, 2 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 17::59:52] rupl: I've been testing by creating a very simple module which renders a form containing the element I want to test
[2011-06-28 18::00:15] linclark: ericduran: is http://drupal.org/node/1174694 really RTBC?
[2011-06-28 18::00:16] Druplicon: http://drupal.org/node/1174694 => Support the #placeholder FAPI property for native HTML5 placeholder support => Drupal core, forms system, normal, reviewed & tested by the community, 10 comments, 5 IRC mentions
[2011-06-28 18::00:36] linclark: because I thought it needed review in the meeting
[2011-06-28 18::00:37] rupl: cosmicdreams: Unless someone smart like davereid|afk has a better suggestion for testing..
[2011-06-28 18::00:50] ericduran: linclark: another a bunch other needs review
[2011-06-28 18::01:09] ericduran: linclark: I RTBC that one a long time ago, but I added the need-test tag today
[2011-06-28 18::01:30] linclark: ericduran: ok, I just added a test, going to add patch and switch to needs work unless you protest
[2011-06-28 18::02:06] ericduran: linclark: add a test and switch to needs-review
[2011-06-28 18::02:11] ericduran: so the testbot can run it
[2011-06-28 18::02:26] linclark: ok, cool... it will need work if it is the right direciton
[2011-06-28 18::02:29] linclark: just a little bit though
[2011-06-28 18::02:34] linclark: I tested textfield, not textarea
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[2011-06-28 18::04:41] linclark: shoot, that only included the tests... let me repatch
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