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I was having trouble responding to that in a few tweets, so I decided to flesh my thoughts out a bit here. | |
Things about me & internet drama: | |
- I enjoy it. I don't get upset or depressed by it, and I am pretty good at walking away when the possibility for productive | |
discussion seems to have evaporated. This is probably because I am a non-poor, college-educated mostly-cis straight-passing | |
white dude, and don't have a history of verbal abuse or self-esteem issues. | |
- I believe that I can use the advantages conferred by the above privileges to do some good by participating in discussions | |
respectfully, calmly, and with the kind of personal passion that is inspired by witnessing harm that has been done to close | |
friends rather than to myself. I think I'm pretty good at distinguishing the merits of an argument from the end goal of the | |
person making the argument, regardless of my own stance on that end goal, and I think that conflations of same are one of the | |
prime contributors to msiunderstandings and pain in internet arguments. Therefore, I would like to help clarify the distinct | |
ion when possible & useful. | |
Problems that I am having with this: | |
- I care more about being kind to people and about maintaining my friendships than I do about being a Paragon Of Objective | |
Truth. Thus, when I see people I care about making logically unsound arguments against the people hurting them, I am loath to | |
bring it up. But I'm also super conflicted and sad about it. I feel that there must be a compassionate way to help someone | |
see that they are doing themselves a disservice without invalidating the real harm that I know is being done to them, and | |
without shaming them for making a mistake, and without seeming like I am just looking for another way to hurt them. But I | |
don't know what it is, so I usually remain silent. | |
- I am more likely to pipe up when the dynamic is reversed, and instead of it being a friend defending themselves with | |
unsound arguments, it is a friend attacking something else with unsound arguments. In these cases, there is still the risk of | |
being seen as wanting to defend whatever (usually actually awful) thing they are attacking, but there is less risk of doing | |
direct emotional damage to them at a time when they are vulnerable. Still, I often don't, because on a few occasions that I | |
have tried, I have been seen as an apologist and dismissed somewhat angrily. It is profoundly frustrating to me that it is so | |
difficult to stand up for an argument without being seen ot stand up for the cause it was intended to further. This is | |
exacerbated quite a lot by the brevity of twitter, but even in logner formats, all the hedges and caveats in the world often | |
aren't enough to get people to see past the feeling that, by daring to say that *anything* about the target might not be | |
totally wrong, I am betraying the cause. | |
- I really don't think that this is because most people are stupid, or unwilling to examine their beliefs, or can't take | |
criticism. I think there are a number of contributing factors, one of which is the lack of tone and visual cues online, but | |
the one under my control (and thus the one I'm most interested in) is the /way/ that I instinctively go about trying to have | |
these conversations. I think I'm pretty different from most people in how I think about logical criticism, and I think it's a | |
bit of a social impairment, in that it's difficult for me to find ways of expressing it that will be well-received by others. | |
I HAVE gotten a lot better as I've gotten older at evaluating when something I'm considering saying WON'T be weill received, | |
or will be perceived as unking, hence my frequent decisions not to say anything. But again, it's frustrating, because I | |
strongly feel that my ability to disentangle misunderstandings and separate rhetorical tactics from underlying beliefs/goals | |
is one of my greatest strengths, and when I AM able to apply it successfully it's very satisfying and occasionally very | |
helpful to others. | |
So I guess what I was really after with my tweet was, "What are some strategies for compassionately, kindly, and non-condesc | |
endingly clarifying & criticising logical arguments?" (That alliteration showed up out of nowhere, but I can't say I didn't | |
run with it :) | |
To that I will add: does anything else stand out about my thought process here? Is my entire worldview ineherently flawed & | |
elitist? Should I just stop caring about being intellectual honest, and only care about being emotionally supportive? I think | |
trying to do that might kill me, but I am being serious - I am open to the possibility that I'm fundamentally doing it wrong. | |
I don't /think/ I am, but I also don't want to close myself off to the possibility that the answers I seek don't exist, and | |
my belief that they should rests on incorrect assumptions. |
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