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哇 歡迎各位的收看 |
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我們第一次 還沒看就有多少 |
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八千多人剛剛在線 |
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我們今天要介紹的是 |
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那個在醫院救過無數的病患 |
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然後台北市八年市長 |
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現在準備進軍我們總統府 |
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總統候選人柯文哲 |
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來 我們大家 |
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各位觀眾大家好 |
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OK |
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大家可以看到今天我們穿這個就知道 |
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我們今天還是一開始 |
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在沒開始問題之前 |
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館長想要請大家看我們下方資訊欄 |
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有一個民眾黨 |
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民眾黨募款的 |
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專戶 募款的專線跟專戶 |
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那館長你叫我們捐 |
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你自己不捐 我在這邊先講 |
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我不是為了任何人 |
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我也沒有要為了任何利益 |
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當然叫你們捐嘛 我自己帶頭 |
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我今天跟大家宣布喔 |
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一百萬 |
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一百萬 |
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一百萬我直接 |
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直接明天馬上匯 |
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沒有收到的直接 |
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好不好一百萬 |
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我先丟一百 |
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那今天下面看到下面的 |
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你們各位看我一百看你們跟一百塊就好了 |
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一個人跟一百塊 |
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台灣就有救啦好不好 |
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來我們 |
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開始跟我們這個 |
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我們這個總統候選人我們這個市長 |
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來講一下 |
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好 |
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那最近很多 |
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這個台北市的人看到這個議會嘛 |
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你最熟悉的台北市 |
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那我們來看一下這個 |
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少了你的台北市呢 |
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現在蔣萬安目前呢 |
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你看他的施政滿意度呢 |
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以及你對他 他這次被質詢了嘛 |
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好像蠻慘的嘛 |
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那請問一下主席 |
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你有什麼看法 |
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剛上任一定不熟啦 |
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其實 |
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其實大部分我要卸任的時候 |
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幾乎事情都有交代了 |
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就是說我該清的全部都清 |
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所以他只要不要亂動 你知道 就照先這樣走 |
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135 |
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半年內都不會有問題 |
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136 |
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是 那你看他現在這樣子 是有照這樣走嗎 |
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有一些會比較 |
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這樣 我知道啦 會速率會比較慢 |
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因為他沒有那一種 |
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140 |
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我們是每天七點半開會嘛 有問題全部可以掛急診 |
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141 |
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所以速度會比較快 |
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142 |
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是 那我看到有人 有議員質詢他說 |
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143 |
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你那時候走的時候留了多少錢 |
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144 |
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300 400多億 |
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145 |
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喔 留錢喔 |
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146 |
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對 |
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147 |
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其實我們還是負債啊 |
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148 |
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是 |
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149 |
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那個只是負債減少而已 |
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150 |
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負債減少 |
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151 |
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那這次他上去又把負債 |
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152 |
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就看 這個要等到 |
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153 |
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一年底結算才知道 所以現在有時候不準 |
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154 |
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你要一年結束 |
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155 |
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就是明年五月結算才知道他這一年花到多少 |
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156 |
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最近這兩天燒的這個悠遊卡興櫃案是 |
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157 |
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這沒有問題啦 那是這樣 |
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158 |
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00:11:50,656 --> 00:11:53,236 |
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因為當時 本來悠遊卡是這樣 一個公司 |
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159 |
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為什麼 其實當時他 |
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160 |
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00:11:54,916 --> 00:11:57,956 |
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第一個齁 如果興櫃就最好是上市嘛 |
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161 |
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啊就變公司治理嘛 就 |
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162 |
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00:12:00,356 --> 00:12:03,216 |
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第一個會比較有效率 第二個就是說比較公開透明 |
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163 |
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00:12:03,216 --> 00:12:05,396 |
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因為就變成 變成被監督嘛 |
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164 |
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00:12:05,396 --> 00:12:07,396 |
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啊如果像以前那樣 |
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165 |
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00:12:07,996 --> 00:12:09,796 |
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我認為我任內不會有問題啦 |
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166 |
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00:12:09,796 --> 00:12:11,796 |
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但是我在想說 嗯 這個 |
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167 |
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00:12:11,796 --> 00:12:13,796 |
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當時是這樣 |
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168 |
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00:12:13,796 --> 00:12:15,796 |
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悠遊卡公司有沒有 他有些 |
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169 |
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00:12:16,656 --> 00:12:19,136 |
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就是以前有人用採購的名義去 |
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170 |
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00:12:19,136 --> 00:12:21,136 |
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就是以前楊蕙如那個案子 |
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171 |
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00:12:22,856 --> 00:12:25,536 |
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你知道他可以好幾個國營事業同時採購一個 |
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172 |
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00:12:25,536 --> 00:12:29,596 |
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然後那個印刷就說要幾張新聞露出來 幾張照片 |
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173 |
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00:12:29,596 --> 00:12:33,096 |
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可是這邊有好幾個國營事業都買同樣一個活動 |
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174 |
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00:12:33,776 --> 00:12:36,076 |
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阿這個我當時在想說這個要把 |
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175 |
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00:12:36,076 --> 00:12:37,356 |
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就破洞把他堵掉 |
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176 |
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00:12:37,876 --> 00:12:38,636 |
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所以我就給他 |
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177 |
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00:12:38,896 --> 00:12:40,176 |
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我興櫃甚至上市 |
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178 |
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00:12:40,436 --> 00:12:42,736 |
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全部公開透明啊大家以後人都沒得玩 |
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179 |
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00:12:44,016 --> 00:12:44,776 |
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沒得玩 |
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180 |
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00:12:45,296 --> 00:12:45,796 |
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好 |
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181 |
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00:12:46,056 --> 00:12:48,616 |
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那我們我們先我們就亂跳題啦 |
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182 |
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00:12:48,616 --> 00:12:51,696 |
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鄭運鵬說你是口頭上的性騷擾犯 |
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183 |
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00:12:52,456 --> 00:12:53,736 |
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性騷擾慣犯 |
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184 |
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00:12:53,996 --> 00:12:54,516 |
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不會啦 |
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185 |
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00:12:55,016 --> 00:12:56,556 |
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人家罵我這沒辦法 |
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186 |
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00:12:56,556 --> 00:12:58,596 |
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有時候晚上回去你看我十點回家 |
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187 |
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00:12:58,856 --> 00:12:59,636 |
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一堆人罵你 |
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188 |
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00:12:59,636 --> 00:13:01,156 |
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看選台器每一台都在罵我 |
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189 |
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00:13:01,472 --> 00:13:03,472 |
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沒辦法啦 |
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190 |
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00:13:03,472 --> 00:13:05,472 |
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我就要這樣 他罵 |
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191 |
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00:13:05,472 --> 00:13:06,472 |
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他嘴巴這樣 |
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192 |
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00:13:06,472 --> 00:13:09,472 |
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沒辦法 誰叫你沒有錢去做這個電視台 |
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193 |
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00:13:09,472 --> 00:13:11,472 |
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那個要很多錢 |
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194 |
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00:13:11,472 --> 00:13:16,472 |
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好 怎麼看現在民進黨現在身陷 metoo 風暴 |
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195 |
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那就是 |
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196 |
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00:13:18,472 --> 00:13:20,472 |
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平常沒有注意 |
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197 |
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是 |
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198 |
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00:13:21,472 --> 00:13:22,472 |
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平常沒有注意 |
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199 |
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我會覺得很奇怪 怎麼會同時突然爆開 |
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200 |
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00:13:25,472 --> 00:13:27,472 |
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對 |
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201 |
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很集中 |
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202 |
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00:13:28,472 --> 00:13:30,472 |
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這個是比較奇怪 |
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203 |
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OK |
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204 |
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00:13:34,184 --> 00:13:34,944 |
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OK了嗎 |
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205 |
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所以可以嗎 |
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206 |
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好 |
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207 |
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00:13:37,244 --> 00:13:38,004 |
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那 |
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208 |
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00:13:38,264 --> 00:13:41,344 |
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我們的這個一生只監你一人的王世堅 |
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209 |
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00:13:41,844 --> 00:13:43,384 |
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你最近跟他感情怎麼樣 |
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210 |
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00:13:43,644 --> 00:13:45,184 |
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他有跟你講什麼嗎 |
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211 |
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沒有啦這個 |
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212 |
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00:13:46,464 --> 00:13:50,304 |
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我離開市政府就沒有再跟他有任何接觸 |
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213 |
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有啦那個就是那個 |
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214 |
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00:13:52,344 --> 00:13:53,364 |
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那個 |
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215 |
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00:13:53,624 --> 00:13:55,164 |
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博恩那個影片以後 |
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216 |
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00:13:55,424 --> 00:13:57,984 |
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只有那一次在舞台上接觸的幾分鐘 |
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217 |
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00:13:57,984 --> 00:13:59,004 |
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再也沒有接觸到 |
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218 |
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00:13:59,004 --> 00:13:59,764 |
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再也沒有接觸了 |
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219 |
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00:14:00,032 --> 00:14:01,832 |
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那你覺得他是一個好的議員嗎 |
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220 |
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00:14:03,092 --> 00:14:04,132 |
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其實喔他 |
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221 |
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00:14:04,892 --> 00:14:05,392 |
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不是 |
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222 |
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00:14:05,912 --> 00:14:08,212 |
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其實他私底下 |
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223 |
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00:14:08,472 --> 00:14:10,772 |
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服務案還聽說服務做得不錯 |
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224 |
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但是在真的質詢的時候他也 |
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225 |
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00:14:13,592 --> 00:14:15,652 |
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也很少很正經的問過市政題目 |
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226 |
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00:14:15,652 --> 00:14:16,932 |
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他都會送你禮物 |
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227 |
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後來我就 |
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228 |
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00:14:18,212 --> 00:14:21,012 |
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一開始他送禮物 後來我就不肯還他 |
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229 |
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00:14:21,012 --> 00:14:22,552 |
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他就越送越小了 |
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230 |
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00:14:22,812 --> 00:14:23,332 |
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是 |
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231 |
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來這次我們先去講美國 |
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你就講美國你 |
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我們講當一個總統要國際觀嘛 |
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那你去美國之後你的感覺 |
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第一點 去美國三個目的 |
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一個是更了解美國 |
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一個是從美國的角度回看台灣 |
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另外一個是 |
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有時候你把台灣的第三勢力介紹給美國 |
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所以我第一次去找那個龐培歐 |
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我就跟他講說我來三個目的嘛 |
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我就說我們在 |
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我相信美國99%的老百姓都不知道台灣有第三大黨 |
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龐培歐冷冷的回答 |
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99%的人也不知道有其他兩個大黨 |
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是喔 |
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當場就 |
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所以說這第三個目的就沒有達到 不過其他兩個還是很重要 因為你要知道美國 |
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因為我這次去見了六個眾議員嘛 一個退休的眾議員 然後德州州長龐培歐 |
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智庫全部都掃過一遍嘛 在他媒體掃過一遍 |
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所以知道美國 |
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國內的普遍 我倒覺得他 |
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目前反中的氣氛非常高漲 |
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反中 |
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那個 |
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站過當地就對了 |
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他是這樣 他如果只有一個黨 不是 他有兩個黨 |
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後來就變成什麼 大家比賽加碼了 |
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民主黨共和黨比賽加碼 所以我覺得 |
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而且到已經到一般老百姓都 |
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都對中國都不喜歡了 所以這很麻煩 |
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這很麻煩 |
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所以我覺得短期內 |
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中美對抗的局勢沒辦法解決 |
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OK |
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已經滲透到整個人民去了 |
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OK 那台灣人民最關心的問題 那美國如何在中美角力之中 |
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獲得最大利益 你當總統之後你可以給人民最大利益嗎 |
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那應該這樣講啦 在中美對抗夾縫中去找到一個對台灣最有利的 |
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平衡點 |
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是 |
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其實我跟你講 兩岸關係我每次一直在提醒 兩岸關係絕對不是台灣海峽兩岸 是太平洋兩岸 |
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因為是中美對抗架構下的台灣議題 |
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因為這樣思考比較清楚 |
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那你要以為你在跟中國 其實不是 |
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是兩個在 |
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兩個在各顯神通的時候 你在中間要怎麼辦 |
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他也想要頭腦比較清楚 |
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那你去日本呢 |
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這次日本呢 |
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日本 日本還有一點 |
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其實我後來發現日本非常關心台灣 |
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所以安倍那句話嘛 |
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日本有事 台灣有事 日本有事 美日同盟有事 |
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我記得奇怪 怎麼每個政治人物都在給我背這一條 |
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好像幾乎 |
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好像在背書一樣 |
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每一個人都跟你講一樣的話 |
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都一樣啊 |
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日本的 |
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台灣有事 日本有事 |
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美日同盟有事 |
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台灣有事的話 因為日本超過90%的能源要通過台灣海峽 |
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嗯哼 |
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295 |
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那要從中東游過來 有人還跟說到97% |
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所以台灣只要一出 比方說戰爭啊什麼一封鎖 |
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297 |
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日本馬上就能源就斷掉 |
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所以日本非常焦慮 美國為什麼跟著焦慮 |
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299 |
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因為美國跟日本有簽那個叫美日安保條約 |
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300 |
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所以美國會想說 哇 你要出事 我也被你拉進去 |
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所以為什麼我去日本幾乎 |
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302 |
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要見什麼前首相啊 什麼都見得到 |
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所以他主要政黨的負責人都見過 |
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不是我們厲害 是因為 |
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台灣對日本來講 我發現日本非常焦慮 |
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非常焦慮 那你去有跟他們聊了 |
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有啦 很多啦 他一定在講 |
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還是會問嘛 |
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309 |
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就是說你們對台灣的這種兩岸關係怎樣 |
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310 |
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還是幾乎 |
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311 |
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我發現美國問我們 還沒有日本 |
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312 |
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美國是冷冷的跟你問嘛 |
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313 |
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日本是很焦慮的問題 |
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314 |
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沒有想說你當總統之後 之後想要怎麼做 |
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315 |
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這個是這樣啦 以前李登輝總統有交代過我 |
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316 |
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他說最好一定要美日台這個 |
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317 |
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高層的 |
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318 |
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溝通平台要建立 |
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319 |
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是 |
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320 |
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好 那 |
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321 |
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00:18:08,452 --> 00:18:12,552 |
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你看台灣 我們一直在講台灣的房子就是台北市嘛 又貴又老 |
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322 |
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00:18:13,332 --> 00:18:15,112 |
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那你這次去日本去美國 |
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323 |
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你再回來看台灣的市容 |
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324 |
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尤其是台北市嘛 |
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325 |
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寸土寸金然後又很貴 |
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326 |
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00:18:20,556 --> 00:18:25,676 |
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然後又沒有辦法都更的情形之下 你覺得為什麼呢?為什麼呢?是為什麼呢? |
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327 |
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第一點一個是 |
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328 |
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你要市容漂亮還是要 |
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329 |
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其實都更還是要有錢 |
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330 |
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這第一點 |
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331 |
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所以你要有錢 |
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332 |
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不過我老實講 我覺得如果問我當過市長的來看 |
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333 |
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00:18:37,196 --> 00:18:39,756 |
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我覺得我們台北市民有一個概念要改掉 |
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334 |
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都更不能想說一坪換一坪然後又不用出錢然後 |
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335 |
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還附贈車位 然後你在 |
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336 |
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興建了三年期間還幫你付房租 |
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337 |
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00:18:51,488 --> 00:18:52,768 |
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哪有這麼好的事情 |
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338 |
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00:18:53,288 --> 00:18:56,088 |
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你現在問那些老百姓 你對都更的 |
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339 |
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00:18:56,348 --> 00:18:57,888 |
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我建商去跟他講 |
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340 |
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他一定是要一坪換一坪嘛 |
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341 |
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附贈車位嘛 |
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342 |
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00:19:03,072 --> 00:19:06,652 |
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阿三年 阿就不用出任何一毛錢嘛齁 阿就 |
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你建三年房子 我要住 我要幫我付三年租金 |
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344 |
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00:19:09,652 --> 00:19:12,652 |
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我跟你講齁 除非那個容積率很夠 |
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345 |
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00:19:12,652 --> 00:19:16,152 |
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可以二樓變四 變成五六樓 不然哪有可能 |
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那可能就要變成 你本來蓋十樓 現在蓋到二十三十 |
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347 |
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00:19:19,652 --> 00:19:22,152 |
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他才有那個利潤可以做 對 |
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348 |
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好 那接下來呢 |
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349 |
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00:19:25,652 --> 00:19:27,652 |
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我們要問一下 |
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350 |
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選舉議題 |
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351 |
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00:19:29,152 --> 00:19:32,050 |
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那選舉議題呢 大家都知道 |
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352 |
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這個我們的市長 |
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353 |
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我們的主席已經來我這邊很多遍了 |
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354 |
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那從頭至尾呢 |
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355 |
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我們昨天團隊整理了一下 |
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356 |
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我們發現呢 |
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357 |
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這個 |
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358 |
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主席 |
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359 |
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他的言行從以前來到這裡 |
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他就是從頭到尾 |
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361 |
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都是專一的男人 |
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362 |
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讓大家看一下感動的畫面 |
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363 |
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來我們上畫面 |
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364 |
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對我來說我就是心存善念 盡力而為 |
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365 |
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我也希望說 |
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366 |
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我們要常常想著 |
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367 |
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我們要留下一個什麼樣的台北下一代 |
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368 |
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我們就盡力 |
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369 |
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我來是這樣 |
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370 |
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我希望台灣可以越來越好 |
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371 |
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對我來說我就認真地過每一天 |
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372 |
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如果可以的話快樂地過 |
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373 |
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如果很難快樂地過每一天 |
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374 |
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00:20:18,299 --> 00:20:20,299 |
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我們要裝著快樂地過每一天 |
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375 |
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00:20:20,299 --> 00:20:22,299 |
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這是我的人生哲學 |
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376 |
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00:20:23,299 --> 00:20:26,299 |
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我的人生哲學也是心存善念 盡力而為 |
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377 |
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00:20:26,299 --> 00:20:27,299 |
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就是盡量 |
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378 |
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00:20:27,299 --> 00:20:28,299 |
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這樣我們如果沒辦法 |
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379 |
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00:20:28,299 --> 00:20:30,299 |
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世界的人都不滿意 |
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380 |
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00:20:30,299 --> 00:20:31,299 |
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但是還是 |
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381 |
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00:20:31,299 --> 00:20:33,299 |
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是非對錯我們自己心裡面知道 |
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382 |
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00:20:35,313 --> 00:20:37,113 |
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清廉 勤政 愛民 愛鄉土 |
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383 |
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00:20:37,113 --> 00:20:39,113 |
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我們還是一個很認真的政黨 |
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384 |
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00:20:39,113 --> 00:20:41,113 |
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而且我們很乾淨 |
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385 |
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00:20:41,113 --> 00:20:43,113 |
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而且我們海選制度 |
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386 |
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00:20:43,113 --> 00:20:46,113 |
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也不會受派系牽制 |
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387 |
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00:20:46,113 --> 00:20:49,113 |
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但也不會像國民黨那個不分區 |
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388 |
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00:20:49,113 --> 00:20:51,113 |
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不能看啊 |
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389 |
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00:20:51,113 --> 00:20:54,113 |
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我覺得我們的不分區立委 |
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390 |
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00:20:54,113 --> 00:20:56,113 |
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這種海選制度 |
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391 |
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00:20:56,113 --> 00:20:58,113 |
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可以讓民間的力量進 |
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392 |
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00:20:58,113 --> 00:21:00,113 |
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好的民間的力量進入政府 |
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393 |
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00:21:00,113 --> 00:21:01,113 |
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去改變這個國家 |
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394 |
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00:21:01,113 --> 00:21:02,113 |
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我想我們還是 |
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395 |
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00:21:02,113 --> 00:21:04,113 |
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我們沒有辜負台灣人民的期望 |
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396 |
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00:21:04,913 --> 00:21:05,913 |
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所以還是要投民眾黨 |
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397 |
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00:21:05,913 --> 00:21:07,913 |
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算是一個有理想 |
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398 |
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00:21:07,913 --> 00:21:09,913 |
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有信念的政黨 |
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399 |
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00:21:13,377 --> 00:21:14,577 |
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我們真的是君子之交 |
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400 |
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00:21:14,577 --> 00:21:15,697 |
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君子之交 但如何 |
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401 |
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00:21:15,697 --> 00:21:17,697 |
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真的 平常就沒在管你的啦 |
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402 |
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00:21:17,697 --> 00:21:19,197 |
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我每次來都吃他東西 |
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403 |
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00:21:19,197 --> 00:21:20,197 |
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我都沒有請他吃飯 |
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404 |
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00:21:20,197 --> 00:21:20,697 |
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我也是 |
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405 |
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00:21:20,697 --> 00:21:22,197 |
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沒關係啦 |
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406 |
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00:21:22,197 --> 00:21:24,697 |
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上一次還把他吃掉那個帝王蟹 |
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407 |
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00:21:24,697 --> 00:21:26,197 |
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把他吃掉一大碗 |
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408 |
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00:21:26,197 --> 00:21:27,197 |
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沒關係啦 |
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409 |
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00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:33,299 |
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好 |
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410 |
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00:21:33,299 --> 00:21:35,099 |
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我們剛剛看了這個 |
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411 |
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00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:36,879 |
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短短的一個 |
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412 |
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00:21:37,139 --> 00:21:38,419 |
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回放啦 |
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413 |
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00:21:38,419 --> 00:21:39,459 |
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就代表說 |
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414 |
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00:21:40,219 --> 00:21:42,519 |
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我跟主席從18年 |
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415 |
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00:21:42,519 --> 00:21:43,299 |
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做直播 |
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416 |
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00:21:43,299 --> 00:21:44,559 |
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現在是23年 |
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417 |
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00:21:45,079 --> 00:21:46,359 |
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那他每一次來呢 |
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418 |
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00:21:46,879 --> 00:21:48,679 |
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他都有留下一些話來對照 |
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419 |
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00:21:48,919 --> 00:21:49,939 |
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那 |
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420 |
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00:21:50,881 --> 00:21:53,681 |
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反正大家看看嘛 這個東西 |
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421 |
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00:21:53,681 --> 00:21:55,681 |
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再次提醒下方資訊欄 |
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422 |
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00:21:55,681 --> 00:21:57,681 |
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有民眾黨的匯款專戶 |
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423 |
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00:21:57,681 --> 00:22:01,681 |
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如果你真的覺得這個阿伯很可憐 |
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424 |
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00:22:01,681 --> 00:22:05,181 |
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想幫助他 想幫助這個黨 |
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425 |
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00:22:05,181 --> 00:22:08,181 |
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救台灣 幫助台灣 |
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426 |
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00:22:08,181 --> 00:22:10,181 |
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那你真的是拜託大家 |
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427 |
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00:22:10,181 --> 00:22:12,181 |
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好不好 拜託大家 |
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428 |
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00:22:12,181 --> 00:22:14,181 |
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在資訊欄下方 |
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429 |
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00:22:14,181 --> 00:22:18,181 |
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好 那為什麼放這個 我們開始要問拆招 順競選議題 |
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430 |
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00:22:18,181 --> 00:22:20,181 |
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你為什麼當初 |
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431 |
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00:22:20,181 --> 00:22:22,181 |
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我自己問 你為什麼當初 |
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432 |
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00:22:23,173 --> 00:22:25,353 |
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在我們上次選舉嘛 |
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433 |
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00:22:25,353 --> 00:22:26,713 |
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九合一剛輸 |
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434 |
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00:22:26,713 --> 00:22:28,213 |
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民眾黨其實 |
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435 |
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00:22:28,213 --> 00:22:29,353 |
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就一個新竹市嘛 |
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436 |
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00:22:29,353 --> 00:22:30,953 |
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那自己的本命區 |
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437 |
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00:22:31,793 --> 00:22:34,153 |
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所謂的黃珊珊 珊珊姐她 |
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438 |
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00:22:34,153 --> 00:22:35,693 |
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也選輸了嘛 |
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439 |
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00:22:36,193 --> 00:22:38,593 |
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那你為什麼還是毅然決然說今年 |
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440 |
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00:22:41,633 --> 00:22:44,333 |
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選輸也不見得表示說下一次還是輸啊 |
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441 |
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00:22:44,333 --> 00:22:45,133 |
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人總是 |
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442 |
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00:22:45,493 --> 00:22:47,233 |
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人因有夢想而偉大 |
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443 |
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00:22:47,233 --> 00:22:48,033 |
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就是 |
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444 |
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00:22:48,033 --> 00:22:50,373 |
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所以一樣嘛 心存善念 盡力而為 |
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445 |
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00:22:50,633 --> 00:22:52,373 |
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盡力而為就是這種態度 |
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446 |
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00:22:52,561 --> 00:22:55,121 |
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你看 所有為什麼我很喜歡騎一日雙塔就是這樣 |
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447 |
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00:22:55,381 --> 00:22:57,421 |
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騎那個一日北高一日雙塔 |
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448 |
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00:22:57,421 --> 00:22:58,701 |
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因為它實在太困難了 |
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449 |
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00:22:58,961 --> 00:23:01,001 |
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你在騎的過程當中就有 |
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450 |
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00:23:01,781 --> 00:23:03,301 |
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靈魂的昇華 |
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451 |
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00:23:03,561 --> 00:23:04,081 |
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是 |
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452 |
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00:23:04,581 --> 00:23:05,621 |
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那你覺得 |
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453 |
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00:23:06,121 --> 00:23:07,661 |
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你憑什麼可以改變 |
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454 |
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00:23:08,681 --> 00:23:10,741 |
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現在的貪腐的結構 |
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455 |
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00:23:10,981 --> 00:23:12,521 |
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我跟你講其實我非常清楚 |
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456 |
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00:23:12,781 --> 00:23:15,341 |
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貪腐是這樣 只要老闆不貪底下都不太會貪 |
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457 |
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00:23:16,305 --> 00:23:18,305 |
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你意思就是說你不拿 下面都不拿 |
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458 |
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00:23:18,305 --> 00:23:20,305 |
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兩個原則 我沒有拿錢嘛 |
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459 |
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00:23:20,305 --> 00:23:22,305 |
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我沒有說這個生意一定要給誰做 |
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460 |
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00:23:22,305 --> 00:23:24,305 |
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他們兩個原則就解決掉了 |
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461 |
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00:23:24,305 --> 00:23:26,305 |
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因為老闆沒有拿錢 |
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462 |
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00:23:26,305 --> 00:23:28,305 |
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市長不拿錢 副市長就不會拿 |
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463 |
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00:23:28,305 --> 00:23:30,305 |
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副市長不會拿 局長就不會拿 |
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464 |
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00:23:30,305 --> 00:23:32,305 |
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局長不會拿 |
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465 |
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00:23:32,305 --> 00:23:34,305 |
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大概一直到科長那個 level |
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466 |
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00:23:34,305 --> 00:23:36,305 |
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我都不太會拿 |
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467 |
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00:23:36,305 --> 00:23:38,305 |
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那你如何 |
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468 |
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00:23:38,305 --> 00:23:40,305 |
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你真的如果有一日當上總統 |
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469 |
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00:23:41,665 --> 00:23:45,245 |
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你知道嗎 忽然人家說換了位子會換了腦袋 |
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470 |
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00:23:45,245 --> 00:23:46,785 |
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因為總統錢真的多 |
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471 |
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00:23:47,045 --> 00:23:52,925 |
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真的多啦 那你怎麼樣去成立一個什麼樣的機構或怎麼樣一個制度 |
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472 |
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00:23:53,185 --> 00:23:54,465 |
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去擔保 |
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473 |
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00:23:54,725 --> 00:23:56,265 |
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你無論從內政部 |
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474 |
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00:23:56,265 --> 00:23:59,845 |
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無論從五院 無論從 各個農委會 現在農委會很糟糕 |
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475 |
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00:24:00,065 --> 00:24:01,345 |
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現在在農業部啦 靠 |
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476 |
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00:24:01,845 --> 00:24:03,125 |
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這一些部門 |
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477 |
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00:24:03,385 --> 00:24:05,185 |
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還有警政 司法 |
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478 |
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00:24:05,685 --> 00:24:06,205 |
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喔 |
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479 |
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00:24:06,465 --> 00:24:07,745 |
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那你如何去訂定 |
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480 |
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00:24:07,745 --> 00:24:10,045 |
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我跟你講最簡單的方法是公開透明 |
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481 |
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00:24:10,305 --> 00:24:11,845 |
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你看我讓市長 |
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482 |
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00:24:12,085 --> 00:24:14,405 |
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我每天早上晨會就給他公告嘛 |
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483 |
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00:24:14,905 --> 00:24:18,485 |
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你看我那個雙子星為什麼後來我辦完都沒有什麼爭議 |
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484 |
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00:24:18,745 --> 00:24:20,025 |
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因為所有會議紀錄都 |
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485 |
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00:24:20,285 --> 00:24:20,805 |
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就上網 |
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486 |
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00:24:21,045 --> 00:24:21,565 |
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是 |
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487 |
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00:24:21,565 --> 00:24:23,605 |
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所以敵人的敵人會幫你處理 |
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488 |
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00:24:24,385 --> 00:24:25,665 |
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敵人的敵人 |
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489 |
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00:24:25,665 --> 00:24:28,485 |
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因為你上網嘛 就很多他的敵人會幫你看 |
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490 |
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00:24:28,685 --> 00:24:34,325 |
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所以有問題 對公務員來講他發現所有會議紀錄要上網他就乖了 |
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491 |
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00:24:34,845 --> 00:24:36,385 |
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他就不敢做假就對了 |
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492 |
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00:24:36,385 --> 00:24:38,385 |
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我發現公開透明是最簡單的方法 |
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493 |
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00:24:38,385 --> 00:24:41,425 |
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那所以現在你意思是說我們現在的民進黨政府沒有這麼做喔 |
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494 |
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00:24:41,425 --> 00:24:42,425 |
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沒有啦 哪有可能 |
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495 |
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00:24:42,425 --> 00:24:42,925 |
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看不到 |
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496 |
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00:24:43,485 --> 00:24:45,485 |
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隨便講你那個高端疫苗叫他 |
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497 |
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00:24:45,485 --> 00:24:45,985 |
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封存 |
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498 |
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00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:46,745 |
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封存了對不對 |
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499 |
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00:24:46,745 --> 00:24:47,245 |
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是 |
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500 |
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00:24:47,245 --> 00:24:51,485 |
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那很多選舉人都說他上去之後會揭秘 你會揭嗎 |
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501 |
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00:24:51,745 --> 00:24:52,245 |
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會啊 |
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502 |
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00:24:52,245 --> 00:24:53,745 |
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沒有 我的態度就公開就好 |
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503 |
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00:24:53,745 --> 00:24:56,045 |
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我也沒有故意要害誰 公開就好 |
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504 |
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00:24:56,045 --> 00:24:58,045 |
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就把他打出來給全世界人看 |
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505 |
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00:24:58,105 --> 00:24:59,605 |
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自然 我講過 |
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506 |
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00:24:59,605 --> 00:25:00,605 |
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就別人會K他 |
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507 |
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00:25:00,605 --> 00:25:02,605 |
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敵人的敵人會幫你把他收拾 |
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508 |
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00:25:02,605 --> 00:25:04,605 |
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OK |
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509 |
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00:25:05,105 --> 00:25:05,605 |
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好 |
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510 |
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00:25:05,793 --> 00:25:09,213 |
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那你覺得你 你當總統跟藍綠 |
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511 |
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00:25:09,213 --> 00:25:12,113 |
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最大的差異化 你能做什麼 |
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512 |
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00:25:12,145 --> 00:25:15,565 |
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第一點我們一定比較乾淨 第二點我們 |
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513 |
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00:25:15,565 --> 00:25:18,785 |
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我覺得我們還是醫生 你知道嗎 醫生就是說 |
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514 |
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00:25:18,785 --> 00:25:21,425 |
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我每次講說病人送到台大醫院急診處 |
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515 |
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00:25:21,425 --> 00:25:23,905 |
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我們從來沒有問他說 你民進黨還國民黨 |
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516 |
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00:25:23,905 --> 00:25:25,705 |
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意思就是說 我們會 |
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517 |
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00:25:25,705 --> 00:25:27,865 |
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就不會這樣每天意識形態 |
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518 |
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00:25:27,865 --> 00:25:30,225 |
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你看我 其實我在台北市議會 |
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519 |
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00:25:30,225 --> 00:25:31,665 |
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你問那些議員 你知道嗎 |
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520 |
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00:25:31,665 --> 00:25:35,065 |
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我絕對不會說你是不同黨的議員 不同派系 |
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521 |
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00:25:35,065 --> 00:25:36,345 |
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給他不同的待遇 |
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522 |
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00:25:36,345 --> 00:25:38,345 |
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講得有道理我都幫他做 |
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523 |
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00:25:38,977 --> 00:25:42,377 |
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所以你是 不是因為政黨 是因為 |
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524 |
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00:25:42,377 --> 00:25:44,757 |
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沒有啦 我覺得他們要重開機的機會 |
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525 |
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00:25:44,757 --> 00:25:46,757 |
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其實我跟你講 其實政治真的很簡單 |
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526 |
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00:25:46,757 --> 00:25:50,297 |
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對的事情做 不對的事情不要做 認真做 三條而已 |
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527 |
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00:25:50,297 --> 00:25:52,297 |
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所以你一樣會 |
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528 |
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00:25:52,297 --> 00:25:54,297 |
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六點半總統府開會 |
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529 |
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00:25:54,297 --> 00:25:56,297 |
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七點半 |
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530 |
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00:25:56,297 --> 00:25:58,297 |
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六點半沒有人要理我 |
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531 |
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00:25:58,297 --> 00:26:02,517 |
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七點半有什麼好處 你只要早半個鐘頭 |
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532 |
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00:26:02,517 --> 00:26:04,517 |
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在路上就省下很多時間 |
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533 |
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00:26:04,517 --> 00:26:06,517 |
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就不會塞車 |
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534 |
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00:26:06,517 --> 00:26:08,517 |
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就差那十幾分鐘 |
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535 |
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00:26:08,881 --> 00:26:09,921 |
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不好意思喔 |
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536 |
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00:26:10,421 --> 00:26:12,201 |
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我有聽到我朋友的朋友 |
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537 |
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00:26:12,461 --> 00:26:13,741 |
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也許是個謠傳 |
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538 |
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00:26:14,261 --> 00:26:16,821 |
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他說自從你離開了台北市政府之後 |
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539 |
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00:26:17,321 --> 00:26:19,381 |
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他們又有下午茶時間了 |
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540 |
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00:26:19,641 --> 00:26:21,421 |
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早上也不用那麼辛苦 |
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541 |
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00:26:21,681 --> 00:26:23,981 |
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是你以前在的時候很機歪嗎 |
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542 |
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00:26:24,241 --> 00:26:26,281 |
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還是說很怎麼樣嗎 |
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543 |
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00:26:26,801 --> 00:26:28,081 |
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沒有啦 下午茶 |
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544 |
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00:26:28,341 --> 00:26:30,901 |
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聽說現在換蔣萬安之後整個台北市公務員 |
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545 |
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00:26:30,901 --> 00:26:31,661 |
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比較輕鬆啦 |
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546 |
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00:26:31,661 --> 00:26:32,681 |
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整個比較輕鬆 |
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547 |
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00:26:32,681 --> 00:26:33,461 |
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比較輕鬆 因為 |
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548 |
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00:26:33,745 --> 00:26:36,425 |
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因為如果你每天七點半 然後我再盯進度 |
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549 |
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00:26:36,425 --> 00:26:38,865 |
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當然就累人了 我們那個方法很簡單嘛 |
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550 |
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00:26:38,865 --> 00:26:42,085 |
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就是 比方公宅每幾個月要報一次 |
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551 |
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00:26:42,085 --> 00:26:44,745 |
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市場要報一次 就是我們都有排schedule |
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552 |
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00:26:45,005 --> 00:26:47,785 |
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排行程嘛 那你就定期要來報 |
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553 |
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00:26:47,785 --> 00:26:49,825 |
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那還另外有急診嘛 |
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554 |
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00:26:49,825 --> 00:26:52,525 |
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所以我們有普通門診跟急診嘛 早上七點半 |
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555 |
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00:26:52,525 --> 00:26:54,745 |
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普通門診就已經預約都排好了 |
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556 |
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00:26:54,745 --> 00:26:59,025 |
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那你定期再報他就會知道 這個進度有沒有問題 要檢查 |
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557 |
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00:26:59,441 --> 00:27:01,441 |
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我跟你講還是要盯啦 |
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558 |
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00:27:01,441 --> 00:27:05,441 |
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那你當總統之後他們這些人就要陪你嗡嗡嗡嘛 |
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559 |
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00:27:05,441 --> 00:27:07,441 |
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我也沒有拜託你來 |
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560 |
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00:27:07,441 --> 00:27:09,441 |
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你要願意的才來 |
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561 |
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00:27:09,441 --> 00:27:11,441 |
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願意的嘛 |
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562 |
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00:27:11,441 --> 00:27:14,441 |
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所以你當的時候你常常說六千個位子 |
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563 |
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00:27:14,441 --> 00:27:15,441 |
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六千個位子 |
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564 |
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00:27:15,441 --> 00:27:17,441 |
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那你要怎麼處理這六千個位子 |
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565 |
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00:27:17,441 --> 00:27:19,441 |
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我覺得要遇缺不補 |
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566 |
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00:27:19,441 --> 00:27:21,441 |
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有些人開始要併掉 |
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567 |
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00:27:21,441 --> 00:27:23,441 |
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就太多了 |
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568 |
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00:27:23,441 --> 00:27:25,441 |
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我跟你講如果換一個要換六千個位子 |
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569 |
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00:27:25,441 --> 00:27:27,441 |
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台灣一定完蛋了 因為那個變結果 |
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570 |
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00:27:27,441 --> 00:27:28,465 |
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是不是 |
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571 |
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00:27:28,465 --> 00:27:30,605 |
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你換一個人 哇 六千人 人家不理你 |
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572 |
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00:27:30,605 --> 00:27:32,465 |
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那我們問一下阿伯 |
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573 |
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00:27:32,465 --> 00:27:33,585 |
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以你現在在看 |
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574 |
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00:27:33,585 --> 00:27:36,245 |
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你也 其實中央跟市政府很像 |
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575 |
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00:27:36,245 --> 00:27:38,705 |
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只是中央是放大 最大 |
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576 |
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00:27:38,965 --> 00:27:41,905 |
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那像他們成立那麼多個辦公室 沒有必要 |
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577 |
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00:27:41,905 --> 00:27:43,305 |
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那是不是多花錢的 |
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578 |
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00:27:43,305 --> 00:27:45,605 |
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沒有啦 多花錢 數位 還有數位部200億 |
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579 |
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00:27:45,605 --> 00:27:47,845 |
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我跟你講喔 絕對不要說 喔 青年很重要 |
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580 |
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00:27:47,845 --> 00:27:49,185 |
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再弄個青年部 |
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581 |
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00:27:49,185 --> 00:27:51,545 |
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那個反毒很重要 一個反毒 反毒部 |
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582 |
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00:27:51,545 --> 00:27:53,805 |
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然後詐騙 然後詐騙辦公室 拜託啦 我跟你說 |
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583 |
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00:27:53,805 --> 00:27:56,481 |
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我當時都不允許這樣 |
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584 |
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00:27:56,481 --> 00:27:58,481 |
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沒有啦 矩陣式組織你知道嘛 |
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585 |
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00:27:58,481 --> 00:28:00,481 |
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矩陣式就很多個局嘛 |
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586 |
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00:28:00,481 --> 00:28:03,481 |
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阿你現在A計畫 你需要哪幾個局處 |
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587 |
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00:28:03,481 --> 00:28:06,481 |
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然後派一個長官去盯就好了 |
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588 |
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00:28:06,481 --> 00:28:07,481 |
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因為你那個 |
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589 |
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00:28:07,481 --> 00:28:08,981 |
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他只是開會的時候 |
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590 |
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00:28:08,981 --> 00:28:10,481 |
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分配會議紀錄寫出來說 |
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591 |
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00:28:10,481 --> 00:28:11,481 |
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誰做什麼 誰做什麼 |
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592 |
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00:28:11,481 --> 00:28:14,481 |
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然後有一個類似研考的追蹤 |
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593 |
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00:28:14,481 --> 00:28:15,481 |
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這樣就好了啦 |
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594 |
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00:28:15,981 --> 00:28:18,481 |
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你打詐還要辦公室當的 |
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595 |
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00:28:18,481 --> 00:28:19,981 |
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哇 你是在亂寫嗎 |
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596 |
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00:28:19,981 --> 00:28:21,481 |
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阿一堆預算可以消化 |
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597 |
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00:28:21,481 --> 00:28:22,481 |
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不是啊 這樣就不是 |
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598 |
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00:28:22,481 --> 00:28:23,825 |
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他第一個就要先 |
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599 |
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00:28:23,825 --> 00:28:25,265 |
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人事費就浪費掉了 |
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600 |
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00:28:25,265 --> 00:28:26,425 |
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對啊 |
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601 |
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00:28:26,425 --> 00:28:29,385 |
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你現在還做一做的工作 原來那些人 |
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602 |
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00:28:29,385 --> 00:28:30,525 |
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他也沒事幹 |
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603 |
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00:28:30,525 --> 00:28:33,305 |
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你就原來的人事錢給他加進去就好了 |
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604 |
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00:28:33,305 --> 00:28:34,325 |
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OK |
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605 |
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00:28:34,825 --> 00:28:38,305 |
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那你再看一下最近這個釣魚台主權 你去日本 |
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606 |
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00:28:38,305 --> 00:28:41,245 |
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我昨天還可以放出來沒問題啊 為什麼大家都要砲轟你 |
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607 |
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00:28:41,245 --> 00:28:42,045 |
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釣魚台 |
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608 |
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00:28:42,045 --> 00:28:43,545 |
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沒有啦 我覺得大家太假了 |
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609 |
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00:28:43,545 --> 00:28:46,605 |
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不是 釣魚台是這樣 因為有一次我去宜蘭的蘇澳 |
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610 |
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00:28:46,865 --> 00:28:51,329 |
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漁民就來跟我抱怨說他去釣魚台那邊被趕 |
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611 |
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00:28:51,329 --> 00:28:54,649 |
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被罰錢 被開單 被沒收漁具 |
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612 |
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00:28:54,649 --> 00:28:57,489 |
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然後他說你有遇到日本的 要跟他講 |
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613 |
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00:28:57,489 --> 00:28:59,009 |
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後來這次去日本嘛 |
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614 |
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00:28:59,649 --> 00:29:03,009 |
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那當然是晚上吃飯嘛 談很多事情 |
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615 |
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00:29:03,009 --> 00:29:04,849 |
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那談到最後 |
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616 |
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00:29:04,849 --> 00:29:07,149 |
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那個日本的外務省就說 |
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617 |
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00:29:07,149 --> 00:29:09,149 |
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喔 這個今天晚上談得很愉快喔 |
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618 |
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00:29:09,149 --> 00:29:11,149 |
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啊你有沒有什麼要求日本政府 |
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619 |
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00:29:11,149 --> 00:29:13,149 |
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我說這是你講的喔 |
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620 |
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00:29:13,149 --> 00:29:15,149 |
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好啦 我跟你講 那個釣魚台 |
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621 |
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00:29:15,149 --> 00:29:18,149 |
|
我們那個漁民 老是被你們趕 |
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622 |
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00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:20,149 |
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被你們這樣驅離 |
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623 |
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00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:22,149 |
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我說這個要怎麼解決 |
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624 |
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00:29:22,149 --> 00:29:24,149 |
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然後一開始 |
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625 |
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00:29:24,149 --> 00:29:26,149 |
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我講釣魚台 我就發現 |
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626 |
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00:29:26,149 --> 00:29:28,149 |
|
我們那個日本駐台那個大使 |
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627 |
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00:29:29,249 --> 00:29:30,249 |
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就一直在 |
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628 |
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00:29:30,249 --> 00:29:31,489 |
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哈哈哈哈 |
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629 |
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00:29:31,489 --> 00:29:32,389 |
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但是我跟他講說 |
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630 |
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00:29:32,389 --> 00:29:33,489 |
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我說我跟他講你不要緊張 |
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631 |
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00:29:33,489 --> 00:29:34,989 |
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我沒有 先不跟你講主權 |
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632 |
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00:29:35,289 --> 00:29:36,989 |
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你先讓我捕魚就可以了 |
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633 |
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00:29:36,989 --> 00:29:37,489 |
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好 |
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634 |
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00:29:37,489 --> 00:29:38,989 |
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但是回來 |
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635 |
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00:29:38,989 --> 00:29:39,989 |
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唉 我跟你說 |
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636 |
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00:29:39,989 --> 00:29:40,989 |
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這是比較務實 |
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637 |
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00:29:40,989 --> 00:29:42,989 |
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我跟你說為什麼要主權很難解決 |
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638 |
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00:29:42,989 --> 00:29:44,989 |
|
它牽涉到中國 日本 台灣 |
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639 |
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00:29:44,989 --> 00:29:46,989 |
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卡在那裡 |
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640 |
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00:29:46,989 --> 00:29:48,489 |
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我的態度是這樣務實嘛 |
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641 |
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00:29:48,489 --> 00:29:50,489 |
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先解決老百姓可以捕魚的問題 |
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642 |
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00:29:50,489 --> 00:29:51,689 |
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那個有爭議的 |
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643 |
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00:29:51,689 --> 00:29:52,489 |
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慢慢再處理 |
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644 |
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00:29:52,489 --> 00:29:54,989 |
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你要等那個處理完才來弄這個 |
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645 |
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00:29:54,989 --> 00:29:55,489 |
|
我跟你講 |
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646 |
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00:29:55,489 --> 00:29:56,489 |
|
再三年也不會改變 |
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647 |
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00:29:56,489 --> 00:29:58,489 |
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是 |
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648 |
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00:29:59,109 --> 00:30:00,389 |
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好 那 |
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649 |
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00:30:03,189 --> 00:30:04,729 |
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未來喔 我們才講喔 |
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650 |
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00:30:04,989 --> 00:30:06,009 |
|
我們最近又來了 |
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651 |
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00:30:06,269 --> 00:30:07,289 |
|
這個問題似乎是 |
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652 |
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00:30:08,309 --> 00:30:10,369 |
|
大家最最最愛討論 |
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653 |
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00:30:10,629 --> 00:30:12,409 |
|
然後民進黨也很愛炒這個議題 |
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654 |
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00:30:12,669 --> 00:30:14,969 |
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我個人把它說啦 他叫取消核能 |
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655 |
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00:30:15,489 --> 00:30:16,769 |
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貪污光電綠能 |
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656 |
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00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:21,369 |
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我個人 這是我個人 我先講 林北個人 你記者不要亂寫 |
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657 |
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00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:26,489 |
|
我覺得他2020年 2021年在做那個四項公投 |
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658 |
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00:30:27,057 --> 00:30:27,817 |
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反核能 |
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659 |
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00:30:28,077 --> 00:30:29,877 |
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都是為他的這個風電 |
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660 |
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00:30:30,137 --> 00:30:30,637 |
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光電 |
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661 |
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00:30:31,157 --> 00:30:33,977 |
|
去做一個決斷那知道我們現在知道我們 |
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662 |
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00:30:36,017 --> 00:30:37,557 |
|
前陣子美人姐有來我的節目 |
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663 |
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00:30:37,817 --> 00:30:39,337 |
|
他有拿那個世界所有的排名 |
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664 |
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00:30:39,857 --> 00:30:40,357 |
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碳權 |
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665 |
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00:30:40,617 --> 00:30:43,437 |
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那因為我們台灣的發電現在核電只剩下一點點 |
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666 |
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00:30:44,197 --> 00:30:47,277 |
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然後綠能其實也是一點點大部分的都是 |
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667 |
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00:30:47,537 --> 00:30:48,817 |
|
天然氣加上 |
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668 |
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00:30:49,077 --> 00:30:50,097 |
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煤炭 |
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669 |
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00:30:50,357 --> 00:30:52,917 |
|
那這兩個東西會造成溫室效應跟碳 |
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670 |
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00:30:53,157 --> 00:30:55,477 |
|
的產生那現在全世界要課這個叫做 |
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671 |
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00:30:55,717 --> 00:30:56,237 |
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碳費 |
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672 |
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00:30:56,561 --> 00:30:59,381 |
|
而且很多大企業剉咧蛋 剉咧蛋 |
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673 |
|
00:30:59,381 --> 00:31:01,681 |
|
因為這個碳權是你要跟政府買嘛 |
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674 |
|
00:31:01,941 --> 00:31:03,981 |
|
沒有跟你講 剉咧蛋的不是大企業 |
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675 |
|
00:31:03,981 --> 00:31:07,321 |
|
大企業喔 像台積電 日頭赤焱焱 隨人顧性命 |
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676 |
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00:31:07,321 --> 00:31:08,601 |
|
他自己都解決掉了 |
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677 |
|
00:31:08,841 --> 00:31:11,161 |
|
現在慘的是中小企業 中小企業 |
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678 |
|
00:31:11,161 --> 00:31:14,741 |
|
大企業他們的大廠都自己都想辦法了 |
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679 |
|
00:31:14,741 --> 00:31:16,021 |
|
那你如何為 |
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680 |
|
00:31:16,521 --> 00:31:19,601 |
|
這個能源政策到底怎麼辦 這個就是 不是 |
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681 |
|
00:31:19,861 --> 00:31:21,401 |
|
這條其實很複雜在哪裡啊 |
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682 |
|
00:31:21,857 --> 00:31:24,857 |
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台灣喔 你不能只考慮能源政策 還有一個是 |
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683 |
|
00:31:25,337 --> 00:31:29,857 |
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產 耗 需要量跟供應量要同時考慮 |
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684 |
|
00:31:30,197 --> 00:31:31,857 |
|
所以我就說全世界你知道 |
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685 |
|
00:31:32,737 --> 00:31:36,357 |
|
平均碳排量下降 GDP成長 有一個國家叫英國 |
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686 |
|
00:31:36,357 --> 00:31:38,357 |
|
所以我有派人去英國 那時候 |
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687 |
|
00:31:38,537 --> 00:31:41,637 |
|
我叫我們副市長組一個團隊到英國、德國去考察 |
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688 |
|
00:31:42,237 --> 00:31:44,637 |
|
但是這很為難啦 這個就牽涉到 |
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689 |
|
00:31:45,297 --> 00:31:46,337 |
|
因為 |
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690 |
|
00:31:46,881 --> 00:31:50,301 |
|
因為英國是做那個 整個國家的產業轉型 |
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691 |
|
00:31:50,301 --> 00:31:52,561 |
|
走向那個低耗能的產業去 |
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692 |
|
00:31:52,821 --> 00:31:55,581 |
|
那我們台灣喔 這個就 我這次去美國 |
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693 |
|
00:31:55,581 --> 00:31:56,881 |
|
我就跟他們 我不管 |
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694 |
|
00:31:56,881 --> 00:31:59,381 |
|
這個跟很多部門都講過 我說齁 |
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695 |
|
00:31:59,421 --> 00:32:03,041 |
|
你們老是叫台灣參加區域安全組織 就國防的嘛 |
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696 |
|
00:32:03,041 --> 00:32:05,921 |
|
我說你要讓台灣參加區域經濟組織 |
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697 |
|
00:32:05,921 --> 00:32:08,801 |
|
不管是CPTPP還是自由貿易協定 |
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698 |
|
00:32:08,801 --> 00:32:10,001 |
|
我說為什麼你知道 |
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699 |
|
00:32:10,561 --> 00:32:11,561 |
|
因為齁 |
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700 |
|
00:32:12,641 --> 00:32:14,861 |
|
你知道台灣沒有參加那個 |
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701 |
|
00:32:14,861 --> 00:32:16,861 |
|
比方說沒有參加CPTPP嘛 |
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|
702 |
|
00:32:16,861 --> 00:32:20,901 |
|
那你現在東西賣到菲律賓或賣到馬來西亞要課稅 |
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703 |
|
00:32:20,901 --> 00:32:22,901 |
|
可是全世界很奇怪 |
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704 |
|
00:32:22,901 --> 00:32:24,401 |
|
不曉得為什麼當時一開始就規定說 |
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705 |
|
00:32:24,401 --> 00:32:26,401 |
|
ICT產品不課稅 |
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|
706 |
|
00:32:26,401 --> 00:32:28,401 |
|
你想想看對台灣來講 |
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|
707 |
|
00:32:28,401 --> 00:32:29,901 |
|
其他的產品出去要稅 |
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|
708 |
|
00:32:29,901 --> 00:32:31,401 |
|
ICT出去不要稅 |
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|
709 |
|
00:32:31,401 --> 00:32:32,901 |
|
會發生什麼事 |
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|
710 |
|
00:32:32,901 --> 00:32:34,901 |
|
產業全部移到ICT去 |
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|
711 |
|
00:32:34,901 --> 00:32:35,901 |
|
因為這樣才有競爭力 |
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|
712 |
|
00:32:35,901 --> 00:32:37,401 |
|
你弄那個沒有競爭力 |
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|
713 |
|
00:32:37,401 --> 00:32:39,401 |
|
那個要有7到15%的稅 |
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|
714 |
|
00:32:39,401 --> 00:32:41,401 |
|
所以除非你的獲利率是7%以上 |
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|
715 |
|
00:32:42,681 --> 00:32:45,681 |
|
所以我們台灣就被擠到ICT去 |
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|
716 |
|
00:32:45,681 --> 00:32:47,681 |
|
整個國家的力量產業失調 |
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|
717 |
|
00:32:48,593 --> 00:32:50,133 |
|
阿然後另外一個問題是什麼 |
|
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|
718 |
|
00:32:50,393 --> 00:32:52,173 |
|
因為我們跟大陸有簽ECFA |
|
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|
719 |
|
00:32:52,433 --> 00:32:55,493 |
|
所以我們的產品賣到大陸不用錢 賣到其他國家要錢 |
|
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|
720 |
|
00:32:55,493 --> 00:32:58,833 |
|
那發生什麼事 整個外銷全部走大陸去 |
|
|
|
721 |
|
00:32:59,333 --> 00:33:02,933 |
|
我那時候跟美國講 我說你們每次都在 |
|
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|
722 |
|
00:33:03,173 --> 00:33:06,513 |
|
你們不讓台灣參加區域經濟組織 就兩個下場 |
|
|
|
723 |
|
00:33:07,013 --> 00:33:08,813 |
|
第一個台灣產業失衡 |
|
|
|
724 |
|
00:33:09,073 --> 00:33:10,613 |
|
台灣產業失衡 第二 |
|
|
|
725 |
|
00:33:10,853 --> 00:33:12,393 |
|
台灣跟中國綁在一起 |
|
|
|
726 |
|
00:33:12,653 --> 00:33:17,773 |
|
我說你們 我們就被中國綁在一起 就因為這個政策的問題 |
|
|
|
727 |
|
00:33:17,773 --> 00:33:19,513 |
|
所以回答你的話就是說 |
|
|
|
728 |
|
00:33:20,777 --> 00:33:22,557 |
|
這個還是要讓 但是這樣 |
|
|
|
729 |
|
00:33:22,557 --> 00:33:25,117 |
|
台灣要參加區域經濟組織 我最近也 |
|
|
|
730 |
|
00:33:25,377 --> 00:33:28,457 |
|
我最近有去日本嘛 日本那個自民黨的幹事長 |
|
|
|
731 |
|
00:33:28,457 --> 00:33:30,237 |
|
算是自民黨目前 |
|
|
|
732 |
|
00:33:30,237 --> 00:33:31,777 |
|
算是主要人物 |
|
|
|
733 |
|
00:33:32,297 --> 00:33:34,077 |
|
他說CPTPP你不要想了啦 |
|
|
|
734 |
|
00:33:34,077 --> 00:33:37,157 |
|
他說那個要同時11個國家同意 不可能啦 |
|
|
|
735 |
|
00:33:37,417 --> 00:33:40,997 |
|
你說中國隨便也有幾個朋友 他舉反對票你就掛掉 |
|
|
|
736 |
|
00:33:41,257 --> 00:33:42,277 |
|
他說還是 |
|
|
|
737 |
|
00:33:42,537 --> 00:33:44,577 |
|
可以簽的先單獨簽 |
|
|
|
738 |
|
00:33:44,837 --> 00:33:47,137 |
|
單獨就是我們 只要我們對他們的貿易 |
|
|
|
739 |
|
00:33:47,337 --> 00:33:50,417 |
|
可以 他說我們現在紐西蘭跟 |
|
|
|
740 |
|
00:33:50,677 --> 00:33:51,697 |
|
新加坡有簽嘛 |
|
|
|
741 |
|
00:33:51,957 --> 00:33:53,497 |
|
他說你可以簽的先簽 |
|
|
|
742 |
|
00:33:53,497 --> 00:33:55,797 |
|
他說我們也不要騙你 |
|
|
|
743 |
|
00:33:56,453 --> 00:33:58,753 |
|
那個我們都講說我們會幫你 |
|
|
|
744 |
|
00:33:58,753 --> 00:34:00,033 |
|
但是事實上幫不了 |
|
|
|
745 |
|
00:34:00,033 --> 00:34:02,593 |
|
因為要11個國家同時同意 太困難了 |
|
|
|
746 |
|
00:34:03,113 --> 00:34:05,673 |
|
那這個現在大家都不敢談了 |
|
|
|
747 |
|
00:34:06,173 --> 00:34:08,733 |
|
那你敢重啟核電嗎 還是說你想要 |
|
|
|
748 |
|
00:34:08,993 --> 00:34:11,553 |
|
核電這個是這樣 剛才講過 |
|
|
|
749 |
|
00:34:12,305 --> 00:34:14,305 |
|
因為我們台灣的特殊的 |
|
|
|
750 |
|
00:34:14,305 --> 00:34:16,505 |
|
因為我們沒有辦法參加區域經濟組織 |
|
|
|
751 |
|
00:34:16,505 --> 00:34:18,805 |
|
所以整個國家全部shift ICT |
|
|
|
752 |
|
00:34:18,805 --> 00:34:19,305 |
|
是 |
|
|
|
753 |
|
00:34:19,305 --> 00:34:21,305 |
|
ICT很耗電啊 |
|
|
|
754 |
|
00:34:21,305 --> 00:34:21,805 |
|
是 |
|
|
|
755 |
|
00:34:21,805 --> 00:34:23,805 |
|
我昨天講嘛 我以前都不曉得 |
|
|
|
756 |
|
00:34:23,805 --> 00:34:26,305 |
|
不曉得說一家台積電 新竹一家公司 |
|
|
|
757 |
|
00:34:26,305 --> 00:34:27,805 |
|
它吃掉台灣5%的電 |
|
|
|
758 |
|
00:34:27,805 --> 00:34:29,305 |
|
5% |
|
|
|
759 |
|
00:34:29,305 --> 00:34:30,805 |
|
台積電一家公司 |
|
|
|
760 |
|
00:34:30,805 --> 00:34:32,805 |
|
它耗電量等於全台北市 |
|
|
|
761 |
|
00:34:32,805 --> 00:34:34,805 |
|
5% |
|
|
|
762 |
|
00:34:34,805 --> 00:34:37,805 |
|
它的用電量差不多等於整個台北市的用電量 |
|
|
|
763 |
|
00:34:37,805 --> 00:34:38,805 |
|
喔 |
|
|
|
764 |
|
00:34:39,025 --> 00:34:40,525 |
|
整個台北市的用電量 |
|
|
|
765 |
|
00:34:40,525 --> 00:34:41,865 |
|
差不多等於一家台積電 |
|
|
|
766 |
|
00:34:41,865 --> 00:34:42,465 |
|
喔 |
|
|
|
767 |
|
00:34:42,765 --> 00:34:43,765 |
|
你也不知道 |
|
|
|
768 |
|
00:34:44,325 --> 00:34:46,165 |
|
所以這個問題就來了 |
|
|
|
769 |
|
00:34:46,805 --> 00:34:47,905 |
|
這是一個新竹 |
|
|
|
770 |
|
00:34:47,905 --> 00:34:49,705 |
|
如果把台南高雄加上去 |
|
|
|
771 |
|
00:34:50,365 --> 00:34:53,305 |
|
那個耗電量會到全台灣的10% |
|
|
|
772 |
|
00:34:54,145 --> 00:34:57,425 |
|
所以這個我們政府要開始 |
|
|
|
773 |
|
00:34:57,425 --> 00:34:59,225 |
|
誠實的跟老百姓講說 |
|
|
|
774 |
|
00:34:59,225 --> 00:35:00,225 |
|
所以他說不缺電啊 |
|
|
|
775 |
|
00:35:00,225 --> 00:35:01,425 |
|
如果你要台積電 |
|
|
|
776 |
|
00:35:01,425 --> 00:35:01,925 |
|
嗯 |
|
|
|
777 |
|
00:35:01,925 --> 00:35:03,925 |
|
那你就要想想看你要不要核電 |
|
|
|
778 |
|
00:35:03,925 --> 00:35:04,925 |
|
因為你不可能 |
|
|
|
779 |
|
00:35:04,925 --> 00:35:06,425 |
|
因為台積電太耗電了 |
|
|
|
780 |
|
00:35:06,425 --> 00:35:06,925 |
|
是 |
|
|
|
781 |
|
00:35:06,925 --> 00:35:07,925 |
|
但是我跟你說 |
|
|
|
782 |
|
00:35:07,925 --> 00:35:09,925 |
|
你現在說我們要產業轉型 |
|
|
|
783 |
|
00:35:09,925 --> 00:35:11,925 |
|
我去英國看一看 |
|
|
|
784 |
|
00:35:11,925 --> 00:35:13,925 |
|
這不是一天兩天的事啦 |
|
|
|
785 |
|
00:35:13,925 --> 00:35:15,925 |
|
所以有個數字你知道 |
|
|
|
786 |
|
00:35:15,925 --> 00:35:17,925 |
|
台灣的GDP佔日本的12% |
|
|
|
787 |
|
00:35:17,925 --> 00:35:20,425 |
|
可是台灣的用電量是日本的30% |
|
|
|
788 |
|
00:35:20,425 --> 00:35:21,425 |
|
這表示什麼 |
|
|
|
789 |
|
00:35:21,425 --> 00:35:23,425 |
|
台灣的產業是高耗能產業 |
|
|
|
790 |
|
00:35:23,705 --> 00:35:26,705 |
|
所以台灣的耗電量是日本的30% |
|
|
|
791 |
|
00:35:26,705 --> 00:35:28,705 |
|
嗯30% |
|
|
|
792 |
|
00:35:28,705 --> 00:35:30,205 |
|
那你的GDP佔他的12% |
|
|
|
793 |
|
00:35:30,205 --> 00:35:30,705 |
|
這表示什麼 |
|
|
|
794 |
|
00:35:30,705 --> 00:35:31,705 |
|
我們台灣的耗電量 |
|
|
|
795 |
|
00:35:31,705 --> 00:35:32,205 |
|
耗電量高 |
|
|
|
796 |
|
00:35:32,205 --> 00:35:34,205 |
|
但是製造出來的GDP沒有到達 |
|
|
|
797 |
|
00:35:34,205 --> 00:35:34,705 |
|
不是 |
|
|
|
798 |
|
00:35:34,705 --> 00:35:37,205 |
|
因為我們是用高耗電產業 |
|
|
|
799 |
|
00:35:37,205 --> 00:35:38,205 |
|
去換那個GDP |
|
|
|
800 |
|
00:35:38,205 --> 00:35:39,705 |
|
所以像鋼鐵啦 |
|
|
|
801 |
|
00:35:39,705 --> 00:35:40,705 |
|
或是製鋼啦 |
|
|
|
802 |
|
00:35:40,705 --> 00:35:41,705 |
|
或是IC |
|
|
|
803 |
|
00:35:41,705 --> 00:35:43,705 |
|
我們其實現在最耗電的是ICT |
|
|
|
804 |
|
00:35:43,705 --> 00:35:44,705 |
|
可是 |
|
|
|
805 |
|
00:35:44,705 --> 00:35:46,705 |
|
阿伯你知道嗎 |
|
|
|
806 |
|
00:35:46,705 --> 00:35:48,705 |
|
我們台灣的能源政策是 |
|
|
|
807 |
|
00:35:48,705 --> 00:35:50,705 |
|
因為我們的電價很便宜嘛 |
|
|
|
808 |
|
00:35:51,393 --> 00:35:52,673 |
|
全世界來買 |
|
|
|
809 |
|
00:35:52,933 --> 00:35:55,493 |
|
那可是我們一直用稅金去補貼台電 |
|
|
|
810 |
|
00:35:55,493 --> 00:35:56,773 |
|
然後大家負債那麼多 |
|
|
|
811 |
|
00:35:56,773 --> 00:35:57,793 |
|
啊是不是一個 |
|
|
|
812 |
|
00:35:58,053 --> 00:35:59,073 |
|
我講一個白的是不是 |
|
|
|
813 |
|
00:35:59,333 --> 00:36:00,353 |
|
劫富濟貧 |
|
|
|
814 |
|
00:36:00,613 --> 00:36:02,393 |
|
劫貧濟富 |
|
|
|
815 |
|
00:36:02,653 --> 00:36:05,993 |
|
拿窮人的稅金去補貼給有錢的財團 |
|
|
|
816 |
|
00:36:06,493 --> 00:36:08,793 |
|
然後就製造這個GDP變成護國神山 |
|
|
|
817 |
|
00:36:09,833 --> 00:36:11,113 |
|
護國神山是這樣啦 |
|
|
|
818 |
|
00:36:11,113 --> 00:36:12,393 |
|
也不能說他不對啦 |
|
|
|
819 |
|
00:36:12,393 --> 00:36:14,953 |
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其實台灣要是 我這次去美國 |
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820 |
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00:36:14,953 --> 00:36:16,993 |
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我發現每個人都在問台積電 |
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821 |
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00:36:16,993 --> 00:36:18,013 |
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因為他們 |
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822 |
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00:36:18,209 --> 00:36:19,549 |
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我想你也看過那個嘛 |
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823 |
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00:36:19,549 --> 00:36:21,949 |
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如果有一天真的中國打台灣 |
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824 |
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00:36:21,949 --> 00:36:22,449 |
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是 |
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825 |
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00:36:22,449 --> 00:36:23,949 |
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美國搞不好先把他 |
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826 |
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00:36:23,949 --> 00:36:24,449 |
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是 |
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827 |
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00:36:24,449 --> 00:36:25,649 |
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連台積電他都 |
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828 |
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00:36:25,649 --> 00:36:27,649 |
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他很怕台積電不可以落到中國手裡 |
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829 |
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00:36:27,649 --> 00:36:28,949 |
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是 |
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830 |
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00:36:28,949 --> 00:36:30,949 |
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所以幾乎所有部門都在問台積電 |
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831 |
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00:36:30,949 --> 00:36:31,449 |
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是 |
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832 |
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00:36:31,449 --> 00:36:32,949 |
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所以他要求我們把 |
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833 |
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00:36:32,949 --> 00:36:34,949 |
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把那個台積電搬到 |
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834 |
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00:36:34,949 --> 00:36:36,949 |
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搬到亞利桑那州 |
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835 |
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00:36:36,949 --> 00:36:37,949 |
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嗯 |
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836 |
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00:36:37,949 --> 00:36:38,949 |
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我去就知道了 |
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837 |
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00:36:38,949 --> 00:36:41,449 |
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他們說搬去那成本變三倍 |
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838 |
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00:36:41,949 --> 00:36:44,949 |
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我們台灣人為什麼很適合做這種半導體產業 |
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839 |
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00:36:44,949 --> 00:36:45,949 |
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因為肝嘛 |
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840 |
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00:36:45,949 --> 00:36:46,449 |
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不是 |
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841 |
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00:36:46,801 --> 00:36:48,981 |
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台灣人的個性太乖了 |
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842 |
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00:36:48,981 --> 00:36:53,061 |
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我跟你講 你現在要進那個半導體的工作室 |
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843 |
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00:36:53,061 --> 00:36:54,321 |
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要穿無塵衣 |
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844 |
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00:36:54,321 --> 00:36:55,821 |
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八個鐘頭你知道 |
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845 |
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00:36:55,821 --> 00:36:57,621 |
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那如果台灣人進去 |
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846 |
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00:36:57,621 --> 00:37:00,001 |
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也許就中間出來上個廁所吃個飯 |
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847 |
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00:37:00,001 --> 00:37:02,301 |
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他八個鐘頭也許只換一次衣服 |
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848 |
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00:37:02,301 --> 00:37:03,233 |
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是 |
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849 |
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00:37:03,233 --> 00:37:05,233 |
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你如果是美國人 撐不住的 他美國人喔 |
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850 |
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00:37:05,233 --> 00:37:06,233 |
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motherfucker |
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851 |
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00:37:06,233 --> 00:37:07,233 |
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motherfuck |
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852 |
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00:37:07,573 --> 00:37:08,573 |
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motherfuck |
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853 |
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00:37:08,573 --> 00:37:11,233 |
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你只要八個鐘頭穿那個隔離衣喔 我跟你說 |
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854 |
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00:37:11,233 --> 00:37:14,233 |
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台灣話叫做慢牛厚屎尿 你聽過嗎 |
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855 |
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00:37:15,233 --> 00:37:18,233 |
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他只要每上一次廁所就要重新洗一次 |
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856 |
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00:37:18,233 --> 00:37:21,733 |
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開什麼玩笑 我最近有看到一個新聞啦 他說 |
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857 |
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00:37:21,733 --> 00:37:23,733 |
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台積電已經在美國訓練了一陣子 |
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858 |
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00:37:23,733 --> 00:37:27,733 |
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他說不行 他說還是要從台灣調工程師 不行啦 從台灣調工程師 |
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859 |
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00:37:27,733 --> 00:37:29,733 |
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然後請美國開綠卡這樣子 |
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860 |
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00:37:29,733 --> 00:37:30,641 |
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對啊 |
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861 |
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00:37:30,641 --> 00:37:32,141 |
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他說因為美國人不要 |
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862 |
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00:37:32,141 --> 00:37:34,321 |
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這沒辦法做 不是啦 我這次去Houston嘛 |
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863 |
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00:37:34,321 --> 00:37:37,041 |
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就看到我們那個台灣的公司在那裡 |
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864 |
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00:37:37,041 --> 00:37:39,081 |
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找外國人 最後還是 |
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865 |
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00:37:39,601 --> 00:37:42,681 |
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他台灣人優先找 找不到就開始找越南的 |
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866 |
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00:37:42,681 --> 00:37:44,641 |
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都亞洲的 都亞洲的 |
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867 |
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00:37:44,641 --> 00:37:46,881 |
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他說美國人喔 美國人做ICT最危險 |
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868 |
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00:37:46,881 --> 00:37:47,681 |
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那一點啦 |
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869 |
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00:37:48,041 --> 00:37:51,201 |
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一個月24小時在跑嘛 晚上都當機 |
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870 |
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00:37:51,809 --> 00:37:53,169 |
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晚上叫不來 |
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871 |
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00:37:53,169 --> 00:37:54,369 |
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叫不來 |
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872 |
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00:37:54,629 --> 00:37:56,409 |
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不像我們台灣人一通電話就來了 |
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873 |
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00:37:56,409 --> 00:37:57,689 |
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是 |
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874 |
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00:37:57,689 --> 00:38:00,009 |
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晚上叫不來啦 假日叫不來 |
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875 |
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00:38:00,009 --> 00:38:01,029 |
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是 |
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876 |
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00:38:01,029 --> 00:38:03,589 |
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他的產線 |
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877 |
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00:38:03,849 --> 00:38:04,869 |
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停掉就 |
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878 |
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00:38:05,129 --> 00:38:07,429 |
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就是在做debug 你知道 就是那個 |
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879 |
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00:38:07,429 --> 00:38:09,469 |
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我們台灣人很乖 台灣人 |
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880 |
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00:38:09,729 --> 00:38:12,289 |
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雖然我們常常在抱怨說我們的年輕人 |
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881 |
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00:38:12,809 --> 00:38:14,849 |
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什麼不認真什麼 但是我跟你講 |
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882 |
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00:38:14,849 --> 00:38:18,169 |
|
我們那個台積電有一大堆爆肝青年 |
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883 |
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00:38:18,169 --> 00:38:20,229 |
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爆肝青年在稱呼我們台灣 |
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884 |
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00:38:20,229 --> 00:38:21,249 |
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新鮮的肝 |
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885 |
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00:38:21,457 --> 00:38:23,237 |
|
那關於這個能源 |
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886 |
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00:38:23,497 --> 00:38:24,777 |
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這樣的一個極端 |
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887 |
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00:38:25,297 --> 00:38:26,577 |
|
我們政府一直在 |
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888 |
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00:38:26,837 --> 00:38:27,337 |
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虧損 |
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889 |
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00:38:27,857 --> 00:38:29,397 |
|
然後你有什麼看法 |
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890 |
|
00:38:29,637 --> 00:38:32,717 |
|
其實誠實面對就好 第一點 |
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891 |
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00:38:33,361 --> 00:38:36,181 |
|
我每次說燒天然氣比燒煤炭乾淨 |
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892 |
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00:38:36,181 --> 00:38:38,981 |
|
廢話我當然知道 可是每一度貴2.8元 |
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893 |
|
00:38:39,501 --> 00:38:40,781 |
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所以是這樣啦 |
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894 |
|
00:38:41,041 --> 00:38:43,341 |
|
你要燒天然氣就比較貴 |
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895 |
|
00:38:43,861 --> 00:38:45,141 |
|
你用核電 |
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896 |
|
00:38:45,381 --> 00:38:46,661 |
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就比較便宜 |
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897 |
|
00:38:46,921 --> 00:38:49,481 |
|
大家先想 |
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898 |
|
00:38:49,741 --> 00:38:51,021 |
|
現在是因為 |
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899 |
|
00:38:51,541 --> 00:38:54,341 |
|
稅金大量補貼那個電價 所以你不覺得 |
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900 |
|
00:38:54,341 --> 00:38:56,661 |
|
其實這也是就你講的劫貧濟富 |
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901 |
|
00:38:56,661 --> 00:38:57,681 |
|
都是我們的錢啊 |
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902 |
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00:38:57,941 --> 00:38:59,981 |
|
所以你看今年台電 |
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903 |
|
00:39:00,241 --> 00:39:02,281 |
|
虧多少 也是虧兩千吧 |
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904 |
|
00:39:03,059 --> 00:39:04,946 |
|
對啊 虧啊 所以都很假 |
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905 |
|
00:39:04,946 --> 00:39:07,666 |
|
還有一點啦 那個核四實在是太慘了 |
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906 |
|
00:39:07,986 --> 00:39:10,006 |
|
其實核四蓋也對不蓋也對 |
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907 |
|
00:39:10,006 --> 00:39:12,246 |
|
花了三千億 一度電都沒有花不對 |
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908 |
|
00:39:12,246 --> 00:39:14,046 |
|
那如果你 你會想要 |
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909 |
|
00:39:14,046 --> 00:39:15,626 |
|
怎麼做 沒有啦 現在是這樣啦 |
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910 |
|
00:39:15,626 --> 00:39:18,326 |
|
事已至此 事情已經走到這裡 |
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911 |
|
00:39:18,326 --> 00:39:19,926 |
|
核二核三要延役 |
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912 |
|
00:39:19,926 --> 00:39:20,926 |
|
喔 |
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913 |
|
00:39:20,926 --> 00:39:21,926 |
|
這兩個先延役 |
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|
914 |
|
00:39:21,926 --> 00:39:22,426 |
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是 |
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915 |
|
00:39:22,426 --> 00:39:25,726 |
|
你不能再停掉 因為你2025非核家園全部停掉 |
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|
916 |
|
00:39:25,726 --> 00:39:27,726 |
|
沒有 沒有辦法非核家園啦 |
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|
917 |
|
00:39:27,726 --> 00:39:28,526 |
|
沒有辦法達到 |
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918 |
|
00:39:28,526 --> 00:39:30,226 |
|
對啊 他現在一定計畫是這樣 |
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919 |
|
00:39:30,226 --> 00:39:32,726 |
|
因為你要延役還要寫延役計畫書而已 |
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920 |
|
00:39:32,726 --> 00:39:33,726 |
|
還是要準備 |
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921 |
|
00:39:33,726 --> 00:39:36,006 |
|
現在核二就被停掉了 |
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922 |
|
00:39:36,258 --> 00:39:38,798 |
|
所以標準動作在核二核三先延役 |
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923 |
|
00:39:38,798 --> 00:39:41,638 |
|
然後大家趕快坐下來 核四要怎麼解決 |
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924 |
|
00:39:41,638 --> 00:39:43,638 |
|
蓋不蓋 要怎麼決定 |
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925 |
|
00:39:43,638 --> 00:39:48,378 |
|
至於那SMR那些再另外處理 |
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|
926 |
|
00:39:48,378 --> 00:39:52,598 |
|
我跟他其實很務實的講 核二核三大概沒辦法停 |
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927 |
|
00:39:52,598 --> 00:39:55,398 |
|
你停掉就再生能源追不上來 |
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|
928 |
|
00:39:55,398 --> 00:39:56,598 |
|
那GAP你要怎麼解決 |
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929 |
|
00:39:56,598 --> 00:39:58,598 |
|
那我們這個碳權的問題 |
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930 |
|
00:39:58,598 --> 00:40:01,098 |
|
也是全台灣 全世界對我們收碳權 |
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931 |
|
00:40:01,098 --> 00:40:05,198 |
|
沒有啦 一般歐盟是2027年1月開始課 |
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|
932 |
|
00:40:05,718 --> 00:40:08,278 |
|
所以我們如果中小企業沒有準備 |
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933 |
|
00:40:08,278 --> 00:40:10,278 |
|
到那天來的時候也是全軍覆沒 |
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|
934 |
|
00:40:10,278 --> 00:40:13,918 |
|
是 您有想好準備的方式 |
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|
935 |
|
00:40:13,922 --> 00:40:15,922 |
|
是一樣嘛 |
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936 |
|
00:40:15,922 --> 00:40:17,922 |
|
他碳權就是 |
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937 |
|
00:40:17,922 --> 00:40:19,922 |
|
反正碳權是這樣啦 |
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|
938 |
|
00:40:19,922 --> 00:40:21,922 |
|
他有個公式嘛 每一個產品有時候 |
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|
939 |
|
00:40:21,922 --> 00:40:23,922 |
|
你如果沒有符合他的標準 |
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|
940 |
|
00:40:23,922 --> 00:40:25,922 |
|
就要加多少錢 因為出口要課稅 |
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|
941 |
|
00:40:25,922 --> 00:40:27,922 |
|
所以那另外一回事 |
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|
942 |
|
00:40:27,922 --> 00:40:29,922 |
|
另外是整個國家的那個 |
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|
943 |
|
00:40:29,922 --> 00:40:31,922 |
|
節能減碳要做 有啦 |
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|
944 |
|
00:40:31,922 --> 00:40:33,922 |
|
這個我要卸任的時候 我跟你講 |
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|
945 |
|
00:40:33,922 --> 00:40:35,922 |
|
我去年六月 台北市政府 |
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|
946 |
|
00:40:35,922 --> 00:40:37,922 |
|
2050淨零碳排放自治條例 |
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|
947 |
|
00:40:37,922 --> 00:40:39,922 |
|
就送到行政院了 |
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|
948 |
|
00:40:40,386 --> 00:40:42,926 |
|
聽說到現在還沒審核 我不曉得要幹什麼 |
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|
949 |
|
00:40:44,146 --> 00:40:45,646 |
|
因為你送了都不審 |
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|
950 |
|
00:40:45,646 --> 00:40:48,146 |
|
我不曉得 這些人6月就送進去了 |
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951 |
|
00:40:48,146 --> 00:40:50,146 |
|
不是 這是這樣 |
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952 |
|
00:40:50,846 --> 00:40:53,646 |
|
我們房子我們的住商大概占掉 |
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|
953 |
|
00:40:53,646 --> 00:40:55,646 |
|
平常耗能的70% |
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|
954 |
|
00:40:55,646 --> 00:40:58,146 |
|
所以他要怎麼做呢 他規定說房子的 |
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|
955 |
|
00:40:58,146 --> 00:41:01,146 |
|
節能 要要求節能減碳標準 |
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|
956 |
|
00:41:01,146 --> 00:41:02,646 |
|
所以以後蓋房子不是你 |
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|
957 |
|
00:41:02,646 --> 00:41:05,646 |
|
就是他有要求那個節能減碳的標準 |
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|
958 |
|
00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:08,130 |
|
那裡面就開始要 |
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|
959 |
|
00:41:08,130 --> 00:41:09,530 |
|
法規要開始規 |
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|
960 |
|
00:41:09,530 --> 00:41:10,530 |
|
第一波 |
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|
961 |
|
00:41:10,530 --> 00:41:12,530 |
|
先要求公家的 |
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|
962 |
|
00:41:12,530 --> 00:41:15,330 |
|
所以新建公家的建築物 |
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|
963 |
|
00:41:15,330 --> 00:41:18,130 |
|
從幾月幾號開始就要用那個新的法規 |
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|
964 |
|
00:41:18,130 --> 00:41:20,130 |
|
節能減碳標準 |
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|
965 |
|
00:41:20,130 --> 00:41:23,530 |
|
然後什麼公車燃油車要換成電動車 |
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|
966 |
|
00:41:23,530 --> 00:41:26,530 |
|
你看電動車一定要建構那個充電樁 |
|
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|
967 |
|
00:41:26,530 --> 00:41:28,530 |
|
有啦我們那時候計畫都寫好了 |
|
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|
968 |
|
00:41:28,770 --> 00:41:30,030 |
|
就還沒審下來 |
|
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|
969 |
|
00:41:30,030 --> 00:41:31,190 |
|
阿你也看不到啦 |
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970 |
|
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:32,090 |
|
我很奇怪 |
|
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|
971 |
|
00:41:32,090 --> 00:41:33,550 |
|
接下來送回來是給誰 |
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972 |
|
00:41:33,550 --> 00:41:35,050 |
|
給蔣萬安他們看 |
|
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973 |
|
00:41:35,050 --> 00:41:36,570 |
|
所以這個 |
|
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|
974 |
|
00:41:36,570 --> 00:41:37,770 |
|
其實是這樣 |
|
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|
975 |
|
00:41:38,430 --> 00:41:40,750 |
|
其實是2050年淨零碳排放 |
|
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|
976 |
|
00:41:40,750 --> 00:41:43,470 |
|
就好像2027年1月1號歐盟開始課稅 |
|
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|
977 |
|
00:41:43,470 --> 00:41:45,550 |
|
可是這個我跟你講你去看 |
|
|
|
978 |
|
00:41:45,550 --> 00:41:49,110 |
|
差不多20年前人家就已經開始在跑了 |
|
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|
979 |
|
00:41:49,110 --> 00:41:52,310 |
|
所以常常說我們台灣的問題就是 |
|
|
|
980 |
|
00:41:52,706 --> 00:41:54,106 |
|
都沒有準備 |
|
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|
981 |
|
00:41:54,106 --> 00:41:56,706 |
|
每個人都知道那是問題 都沒有準備 為什麼 |
|
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|
982 |
|
00:41:56,706 --> 00:41:58,706 |
|
所以這個選票先騙到再講 |
|
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|
983 |
|
00:41:58,706 --> 00:42:00,706 |
|
四年後又不是不一定是我 |
|
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|
984 |
|
00:42:00,706 --> 00:42:02,206 |
|
所以我來講嘛 |
|
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|
985 |
|
00:42:02,206 --> 00:42:03,706 |
|
我每次在演講講說 |
|
|
|
986 |
|
00:42:03,706 --> 00:42:06,706 |
|
未來十年有四十家大學要關門 |
|
|
|
987 |
|
00:42:06,706 --> 00:42:08,706 |
|
請問這是今天才知道的嗎 |
|
|
|
988 |
|
00:42:08,706 --> 00:42:12,706 |
|
十八年前那年出生的小孩子都知道十八年後要關幾家大學 |
|
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|
989 |
|
00:42:12,706 --> 00:42:14,706 |
|
問題是這十八年來政府都沒有做準備 |
|
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|
990 |
|
00:42:14,706 --> 00:42:15,706 |
|
大家都在 |
|
|
|
991 |
|
00:42:15,706 --> 00:42:17,474 |
|
阿現在火燒屁股囉 |
|
|
|
992 |
|
00:42:18,474 --> 00:42:20,714 |
|
我跟你講 關一個大學哪有那麼容易 |
|
|
|
993 |
|
00:42:20,714 --> 00:42:23,914 |
|
校產要處分 學生要疏散 |
|
|
|
994 |
|
00:42:23,914 --> 00:42:28,014 |
|
不然你就開放外籍學生 |
|
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|
995 |
|
00:42:28,014 --> 00:42:30,214 |
|
不管開放東南亞 開陸生 |
|
|
|
996 |
|
00:42:30,214 --> 00:42:32,714 |
|
你出生人數又少 |
|
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|
997 |
|
00:42:32,714 --> 00:42:34,474 |
|
學校又蓋一大堆 |
|
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|
998 |
|
00:42:34,474 --> 00:42:36,614 |
|
本來就倒閉是應當 |
|
|
|
999 |
|
00:42:36,614 --> 00:42:38,114 |
|
你要倒也可以 |
|
|
|
1000 |
|
00:42:38,114 --> 00:42:39,414 |
|
但你要倒那你就 |
|
|
|
1001 |
|
00:42:39,414 --> 00:42:42,714 |
|
讓他有幾年的時間準備讓他close |
|
|
|
1002 |
|
00:42:43,010 --> 00:42:44,010 |
|
阿你現在都沒處理 |
|
|
|
1003 |
|
00:42:44,010 --> 00:42:45,570 |
|
從現在算起來 |
|
|
|
1004 |
|
00:42:45,570 --> 00:42:46,850 |
|
十年要關四十家 |
|
|
|
1005 |
|
00:42:46,850 --> 00:42:47,610 |
|
你看看 |
|
|
|
1006 |
|
00:42:48,130 --> 00:42:49,410 |
|
以後一大堆流浪教師 |
|
|
|
1007 |
|
00:42:50,430 --> 00:42:50,930 |
|
很慘 |
|
|
|
1008 |
|
00:42:51,970 --> 00:42:53,250 |
|
大學流浪教授 |
|
|
|
1009 |
|
00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:53,750 |
|
我跟你講 |
|
|
|
1010 |
|
00:42:54,010 --> 00:42:55,290 |
|
大學流浪教授 |
|
|
|
1011 |
|
00:42:55,290 --> 00:42:56,570 |
|
就學校關起來了啊 |
|
|
|
1012 |
|
00:42:56,830 --> 00:42:58,110 |
|
要關四十家 |
|
|
|
1013 |
|
00:42:58,110 --> 00:42:58,870 |
|
是 |
|
|
|
1014 |
|
00:42:59,130 --> 00:43:00,150 |
|
多少人要沒工作 |
|
|
|
1015 |
|
00:43:00,670 --> 00:43:02,970 |
|
不然你就開放陸生看你要不要 |
|
|
|
1016 |
|
00:43:03,230 --> 00:43:05,030 |
|
你要做動作嘛 |
|
|
|
1017 |
|
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:05,790 |
|
你都沒處理 |
|
|
|
1018 |
|
00:43:05,790 --> 00:43:07,330 |
|
現在火燒屁股 |
|
|
|
1019 |
|
00:43:07,830 --> 00:43:08,870 |
|
你現在講這句話 |
|
|
|
1020 |
|
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:10,910 |
|
他會抓出來說你是中共同路人 |
|
|
|
1021 |
|
00:43:11,234 --> 00:43:14,234 |
|
開放陸生 大舉入侵台灣 |
|
|
|
1022 |
|
00:43:14,234 --> 00:43:16,234 |
|
沒有啦 我們是把他抓來統戰 |
|
|
|
1023 |
|
00:43:16,234 --> 00:43:18,234 |
|
是抓來統戰的對不對 |
|
|
|
1024 |
|
00:43:18,234 --> 00:43:19,234 |
|
我們把他統戰 |
|
|
|
1025 |
|
00:43:19,234 --> 00:43:21,234 |
|
有住過台灣的大學生 |
|
|
|
1026 |
|
00:43:21,234 --> 00:43:23,234 |
|
我想很多中國人來台灣住 |
|
|
|
1027 |
|
00:43:23,234 --> 00:43:25,234 |
|
回去都會改變 |
|
|
|
1028 |
|
00:43:25,234 --> 00:43:27,234 |
|
我去美國就發現還是有改變 |
|
|
|
1029 |
|
00:43:27,234 --> 00:43:29,234 |
|
大陸留學生去 |
|
|
|
1030 |
|
00:43:29,234 --> 00:43:31,234 |
|
我那時候去美國 |
|
|
|
1031 |
|
00:43:31,234 --> 00:43:33,234 |
|
大陸留學生反共還不少 |
|
|
|
1032 |
|
00:43:33,234 --> 00:43:35,234 |
|
也是反共 |
|
|
|
1033 |
|
00:43:35,234 --> 00:43:37,234 |
|
他就在那邊洗腦 洗到最後還是會 |
|
|
|
1034 |
|
00:43:37,234 --> 00:43:39,234 |
|
還是有差別 |
|
|
|
1035 |
|
00:43:39,234 --> 00:43:40,994 |
|
沒有啦 我就是說 |
|
|
|
1036 |
|
00:43:40,994 --> 00:43:43,814 |
|
對我們的制度 民主制度我們要有信心 |
|
|
|
1037 |
|
00:43:44,334 --> 00:43:47,654 |
|
如果你對我們的台灣的政治制度有信心 |
|
|
|
1038 |
|
00:43:48,174 --> 00:43:50,474 |
|
怎麼會怕他來 來一個我就給你 |
|
|
|
1039 |
|
00:43:50,734 --> 00:43:51,494 |
|
改造一個 |
|
|
|
1040 |
|
00:43:52,014 --> 00:43:53,534 |
|
是啊 是沒有錯啊 |
|
|
|
1041 |
|
00:43:53,794 --> 00:43:57,134 |
|
那我們現在問這個少子化跟這個居住正義的問題 |
|
|
|
1042 |
|
00:43:58,914 --> 00:43:59,694 |
|
我們 |
|
|
|
1043 |
|
00:44:00,974 --> 00:44:03,774 |
|
先來講前幾 前一段時間 |
|
|
|
1044 |
|
00:44:04,034 --> 00:44:04,814 |
|
520 |
|
|
|
1045 |
|
00:44:05,054 --> 00:44:05,834 |
|
蔡總統 |
|
|
|
1046 |
|
00:44:06,094 --> 00:44:06,854 |
|
她講了 |
|
|
|
1047 |
|
00:44:07,114 --> 00:44:08,654 |
|
她講了一段話 她說 |
|
|
|
1048 |
|
00:44:08,894 --> 00:44:09,674 |
|
她說 |
|
|
|
1049 |
|
00:44:10,274 --> 00:44:12,274 |
|
他預計2020年底 |
|
|
|
1050 |
|
00:44:12,274 --> 00:44:13,274 |
|
完工 |
|
|
|
1051 |
|
00:44:13,274 --> 00:44:15,274 |
|
有興建完成的12萬戶 |
|
|
|
1052 |
|
00:44:15,274 --> 00:44:17,274 |
|
但是我去看內政部 |
|
|
|
1053 |
|
00:44:17,274 --> 00:44:19,274 |
|
的這個 因為我那時候講 |
|
|
|
1054 |
|
00:44:19,274 --> 00:44:20,274 |
|
我說 欸 |
|
|
|
1055 |
|
00:44:20,274 --> 00:44:22,274 |
|
建最多的就是台北市政府嘛 |
|
|
|
1056 |
|
00:44:22,274 --> 00:44:24,274 |
|
兩萬五千多是不是 |
|
|
|
1057 |
|
00:44:24,274 --> 00:44:26,274 |
|
兩萬都不到啊 |
|
|
|
1058 |
|
00:44:26,274 --> 00:44:28,274 |
|
我說台北市建的 兩萬而已 |
|
|
|
1059 |
|
00:44:28,274 --> 00:44:30,274 |
|
然後 其他縣市都是 |
|
|
|
1060 |
|
00:44:30,274 --> 00:44:32,274 |
|
中央都是零零零零零零零嘛 |
|
|
|
1061 |
|
00:44:32,274 --> 00:44:34,274 |
|
然後到後面有一個叫做 |
|
|
|
1062 |
|
00:44:34,274 --> 00:44:36,274 |
|
規劃中 他們也算進去 |
|
|
|
1063 |
|
00:44:36,754 --> 00:44:38,754 |
|
阿就反攻大陸阿 |
|
|
|
1064 |
|
00:44:38,754 --> 00:44:40,754 |
|
我們預計要反攻大陸 |
|
|
|
1065 |
|
00:44:40,754 --> 00:44:42,754 |
|
預計要 |
|
|
|
1066 |
|
00:44:42,754 --> 00:44:44,754 |
|
然後他說2024那我就問你 |
|
|
|
1067 |
|
00:44:44,754 --> 00:44:45,754 |
|
那會不會跳票 |
|
|
|
1068 |
|
00:44:45,754 --> 00:44:47,754 |
|
他說24年年底 |
|
|
|
1069 |
|
00:44:47,754 --> 00:44:49,754 |
|
他會有12萬戶 |
|
|
|
1070 |
|
00:44:49,754 --> 00:44:50,754 |
|
我跟你講喔 |
|
|
|
1071 |
|
00:44:50,754 --> 00:44:52,386 |
|
我覺得是這樣啦 |
|
|
|
1072 |
|
00:44:52,646 --> 00:44:54,946 |
|
最近的數字我沒看到 我要卸任的時候看 |
|
|
|
1073 |
|
00:44:55,206 --> 00:44:57,506 |
|
蔡英文上任喔 已開工的700戶 |
|
|
|
1074 |
|
00:44:57,766 --> 00:44:59,546 |
|
700戶而已 就700戶 700戶 |
|
|
|
1075 |
|
00:44:59,806 --> 00:45:00,826 |
|
我拿出來看喔 |
|
|
|
1076 |
|
00:45:01,086 --> 00:45:03,146 |
|
已開工啦 而且還是沒有 不能住啊 |
|
|
|
1077 |
|
00:45:03,386 --> 00:45:06,986 |
|
開工歸開工 對啦 其實我跟你講 工程只看一個 |
|
|
|
1078 |
|
00:45:06,986 --> 00:45:09,786 |
|
一個已開工 一個已完工 其他沒說 |
|
|
|
1079 |
|
00:45:10,046 --> 00:45:12,866 |
|
一般來開工以後 除非遇到什麼大事情 |
|
|
|
1080 |
|
00:45:13,126 --> 00:45:14,406 |
|
大部分都蓋得完了 |
|
|
|
1081 |
|
00:45:14,666 --> 00:45:18,746 |
|
但是我還有遇到 蓋到一半廠商倒閉的 |
|
|
|
1082 |
|
00:45:18,946 --> 00:45:24,066 |
|
青年住 萬華那個青年社宅 蓋到一半廠商倒閉 |
|
|
|
1083 |
|
00:45:24,326 --> 00:45:28,166 |
|
天啊 那個上游拿錢跑了 下游沒拿到錢 還要善後 |
|
|
|
1084 |
|
00:45:28,802 --> 00:45:31,802 |
|
沒有 我只說這個都沒有 你不要講什麼規劃中 |
|
|
|
1085 |
|
00:45:31,802 --> 00:45:35,202 |
|
開工幾戶 叫蔡英文公布 |
|
|
|
1086 |
|
00:45:35,202 --> 00:45:38,282 |
|
你上任以後 社會住宅開工幾戶 |
|
|
|
1087 |
|
00:45:38,282 --> 00:45:40,642 |
|
那請把台北市的扣掉 |
|
|
|
1088 |
|
00:45:40,642 --> 00:45:43,322 |
|
他說你台北市是拿他的錢蓋的啊 |
|
|
|
1089 |
|
00:45:43,322 --> 00:45:46,162 |
|
哇 那你要這樣講 |
|
|
|
1090 |
|
00:45:46,162 --> 00:45:48,562 |
|
也沒有拿他多什麼錢啊 |
|
|
|
1091 |
|
00:45:48,562 --> 00:45:51,362 |
|
沒有那麼多啦 幾億而已 |
|
|
|
1092 |
|
00:45:51,362 --> 00:45:52,362 |
|
沒那麼多 |
|
|
|
1093 |
|
00:45:52,362 --> 00:45:54,762 |
|
所以主要你覺得是執行力才是困難嗎 |
|
|
|
1094 |
|
00:45:54,762 --> 00:45:55,762 |
|
編預算不難嗎 |
|
|
|
1095 |
|
00:45:55,762 --> 00:45:57,602 |
|
不是 我跟你講難在哪裡 |
|
|
|
1096 |
|
00:45:57,602 --> 00:46:01,942 |
|
難在齁 我跟你講 這個我再花時間跟館長解釋 |
|
|
|
1097 |
|
00:46:03,162 --> 00:46:06,162 |
|
一個房子從蓋到蓋好 最快四年 |
|
|
|
1098 |
|
00:46:06,162 --> 00:46:08,822 |
|
每年開工兩千五百戶 |
|
|
|
1099 |
|
00:46:09,042 --> 00:46:10,722 |
|
到第四年就一萬戶了 |
|
|
|
1100 |
|
00:46:11,162 --> 00:46:14,322 |
|
就一萬戶了 我當時在當市長的時候我就下令 |
|
|
|
1101 |
|
00:46:14,322 --> 00:46:17,982 |
|
我說維持在一萬戶的狀態下往前走 |
|
|
|
1102 |
|
00:46:18,546 --> 00:46:20,546 |
|
一萬戶同時在開工 |
|
|
|
1103 |
|
00:46:20,546 --> 00:46:22,546 |
|
整個工務局快要死掉了 |
|
|
|
1104 |
|
00:46:22,546 --> 00:46:24,546 |
|
一萬戶在開工 |
|
|
|
1105 |
|
00:46:24,546 --> 00:46:27,546 |
|
可是你看一年開工兩千五百戶 |
|
|
|
1106 |
|
00:46:27,546 --> 00:46:29,546 |
|
要二十年才有五萬戶 |
|
|
|
1107 |
|
00:46:29,546 --> 00:46:32,546 |
|
所以意思就是說每年開工兩千五百戶 |
|
|
|
1108 |
|
00:46:32,546 --> 00:46:35,546 |
|
那維持一萬戶這麼強的壓力 |
|
|
|
1109 |
|
00:46:35,546 --> 00:46:38,546 |
|
要維持二十年才可以蓋到五萬戶 |
|
|
|
1110 |
|
00:46:38,546 --> 00:46:41,546 |
|
所以這個居住正義失敗的地方在哪裡 |
|
|
|
1111 |
|
00:46:41,546 --> 00:46:43,546 |
|
沒有人願意 |
|
|
|
1112 |
|
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:46,030 |
|
腳踏實地很穩的前進 |
|
|
|
1113 |
|
00:46:46,030 --> 00:46:46,530 |
|
那 |
|
|
|
1114 |
|
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:47,830 |
|
沒有人要做苦工啦 |
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1115 |
|
00:46:47,830 --> 00:46:52,170 |
|
那我們常看新加坡或是外國歐盟 |
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1116 |
|
00:46:52,170 --> 00:46:53,710 |
|
他們都直接祭重稅 |
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1117 |
|
00:46:53,970 --> 00:46:56,530 |
|
不是 他們我跟你說 |
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1118 |
|
00:46:57,550 --> 00:46:59,850 |
|
有一次我去那個韓國嘛 |
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1119 |
|
00:46:59,850 --> 00:47:01,910 |
|
我就說你們社會住宅蓋幾戶 |
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1120 |
|
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:02,930 |
|
他說28萬戶 |
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1121 |
|
00:47:03,190 --> 00:47:04,970 |
|
我說喔 厲害啊 |
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1122 |
|
00:47:05,490 --> 00:47:08,310 |
|
那2015年嘛 那時候因為廣州世大運我有去 |
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1123 |
|
00:47:09,218 --> 00:47:11,218 |
|
我說我蓋28萬戶 |
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1124 |
|
00:47:11,218 --> 00:47:12,718 |
|
啊你們什麼時候開始蓋 |
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1125 |
|
00:47:12,718 --> 00:47:14,718 |
|
他說盧泰愚當總統的時候 |
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1126 |
|
00:47:14,718 --> 00:47:16,718 |
|
我一聽就知道問題在哪裡 |
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1127 |
|
00:47:16,718 --> 00:47:17,718 |
|
意思就是說 |
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1128 |
|
00:47:17,718 --> 00:47:19,218 |
|
很多國家的建設你知道 |
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1129 |
|
00:47:19,218 --> 00:47:20,718 |
|
你不要幻想一天完成 |
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1130 |
|
00:47:20,718 --> 00:47:22,218 |
|
它要很長的時間 |
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1131 |
|
00:47:22,218 --> 00:47:24,218 |
|
所以你看台北市如果要蓋5萬戶 |
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1132 |
|
00:47:24,218 --> 00:47:26,718 |
|
要一年蓋2500戶連續20年 |
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1133 |
|
00:47:26,718 --> 00:47:28,218 |
|
而且這強度很強 |
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1134 |
|
00:47:28,218 --> 00:47:31,218 |
|
因為它有20年的時間是1萬戶同時在開工 |
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1135 |
|
00:47:32,050 --> 00:47:34,050 |
|
所以我們台灣怎麼會 |
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1136 |
|
00:47:34,050 --> 00:47:36,050 |
|
政治的失敗就是 |
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|
1137 |
|
00:47:36,050 --> 00:47:38,050 |
|
大家都要撈現成的短期利益 |
|
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|
1138 |
|
00:47:38,050 --> 00:47:40,050 |
|
就這一關可以過就好 |
|
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|
1139 |
|
00:47:40,050 --> 00:47:42,050 |
|
所以我跟你講 |
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|
1140 |
|
00:47:42,050 --> 00:47:44,050 |
|
如果勞保要破產是今天才知道 |
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1141 |
|
00:47:44,050 --> 00:47:46,050 |
|
不是喔早就知道了 |
|
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1142 |
|
00:47:46,050 --> 00:47:48,050 |
|
有沒有動作沒有年金改革 |
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1143 |
|
00:47:48,050 --> 00:47:50,050 |
|
年金改革要20年前做 |
|
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|
1144 |
|
00:47:50,050 --> 00:47:51,050 |
|
現在不是很容易嗎 |
|
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|
1145 |
|
00:47:51,050 --> 00:47:53,050 |
|
你搞到這樣抗議抗議的 |
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|
1146 |
|
00:47:53,050 --> 00:47:55,050 |
|
為什麼很簡單啊 |
|
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|
1147 |
|
00:47:55,050 --> 00:47:57,050 |
|
你花20年的時間就很容易了 |
|
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|
1148 |
|
00:47:57,050 --> 00:47:59,050 |
|
你現在花幾年就很困難了 |
|
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|
1149 |
|
00:47:59,050 --> 00:48:01,050 |
|
那我們居住正義 |
|
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|
1150 |
|
00:48:01,050 --> 00:48:03,050 |
|
居住正義你要怎麼解決 |
|
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|
1151 |
|
00:48:03,050 --> 00:48:05,050 |
|
如果這個緩不濟急嘛 |
|
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|
1152 |
|
00:48:05,050 --> 00:48:06,754 |
|
居住正義是這樣 |
|
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|
1153 |
|
00:48:06,754 --> 00:48:08,754 |
|
他要三個同時下 |
|
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|
1154 |
|
00:48:08,754 --> 00:48:10,754 |
|
一個社會住宅 |
|
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|
1155 |
|
00:48:10,754 --> 00:48:12,754 |
|
一個租金補貼 一個稅制改革 |
|
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|
1156 |
|
00:48:12,754 --> 00:48:14,754 |
|
稅一定要改 |
|
|
|
1157 |
|
00:48:14,754 --> 00:48:16,754 |
|
多屋稅 空房稅 囤屋稅 |
|
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|
1158 |
|
00:48:16,754 --> 00:48:18,754 |
|
還有那個 |
|
|
|
1159 |
|
00:48:18,754 --> 00:48:20,754 |
|
貸款的優惠一定要改 |
|
|
|
1160 |
|
00:48:20,754 --> 00:48:22,754 |
|
我再問一個主席很好 |
|
|
|
1161 |
|
00:48:22,754 --> 00:48:24,754 |
|
因為我前幾天有邀請 |
|
|
|
1162 |
|
00:48:24,754 --> 00:48:26,754 |
|
您認識的一位議員 |
|
|
|
1163 |
|
00:48:26,754 --> 00:48:27,666 |
|
他現在不是議員了 |
|
|
|
1164 |
|
00:48:27,666 --> 00:48:28,166 |
|
呱吉 |
|
|
|
1165 |
|
00:48:28,426 --> 00:48:28,946 |
|
呱吉 |
|
|
|
1166 |
|
00:48:29,206 --> 00:48:29,706 |
|
他 |
|
|
|
1167 |
|
00:48:30,226 --> 00:48:30,746 |
|
很自傲 |
|
|
|
1168 |
|
00:48:31,246 --> 00:48:33,046 |
|
他說他有去提升 |
|
|
|
1169 |
|
00:48:33,546 --> 00:48:35,606 |
|
這個居住正義最高3.5%吧 |
|
|
|
1170 |
|
00:48:36,106 --> 00:48:40,466 |
|
3.6 對 可是他嗆一句話 因為那時候觀眾都在嗆他說 |
|
|
|
1171 |
|
00:48:41,666 --> 00:48:44,466 |
|
3.多%對財團來說跟搔搔癢癢一樣 |
|
|
|
1172 |
|
00:48:44,466 --> 00:48:45,806 |
|
沒有沒有 他是這樣 |
|
|
|
1173 |
|
00:48:46,066 --> 00:48:49,266 |
|
他是那個房屋稅 房屋稅是這樣 |
|
|
|
1174 |
|
00:48:49,766 --> 00:48:52,606 |
|
你要戶數越多 房屋稅要越高 |
|
|
|
1175 |
|
00:48:52,606 --> 00:48:53,106 |
|
沒有啊 |
|
|
|
1176 |
|
00:48:53,366 --> 00:48:55,266 |
|
他意思就是 他講一句話你先聽清楚 |
|
|
|
1177 |
|
00:48:55,266 --> 00:48:56,766 |
|
就是你要走總統之路 |
|
|
|
1178 |
|
00:48:57,106 --> 00:48:58,766 |
|
他後面有問他說 為什麼 |
|
|
|
1179 |
|
00:48:59,406 --> 00:49:00,606 |
|
最高3.6% |
|
|
|
1180 |
|
00:49:00,606 --> 00:49:03,106 |
|
他講一句 因為不可以超過中央 |
|
|
|
1181 |
|
00:49:03,106 --> 00:49:04,206 |
|
中央不可以 |
|
|
|
1182 |
|
00:49:04,206 --> 00:49:06,466 |
|
中央第一個看在你不可以超過他 |
|
|
|
1183 |
|
00:49:06,466 --> 00:49:08,166 |
|
除非中央再往上嘛 |
|
|
|
1184 |
|
00:49:08,166 --> 00:49:10,666 |
|
那您的想法 他現在講中央就是總統了嘛 |
|
|
|
1185 |
|
00:49:10,666 --> 00:49:11,666 |
|
沒有沒有 我跟你講喔 |
|
|
|
1186 |
|
00:49:11,666 --> 00:49:13,666 |
|
其實3.6%已經很高了 |
|
|
|
1187 |
|
00:49:13,666 --> 00:49:16,166 |
|
因為台灣其他的縣市都是1.5%而已 |
|
|
|
1188 |
|
00:49:16,166 --> 00:49:16,666 |
|
是 |
|
|
|
1189 |
|
00:49:17,266 --> 00:49:19,586 |
|
我們房屋稅其實很低 就是說他的 |
|
|
|
1190 |
|
00:49:20,086 --> 00:49:23,146 |
|
-持有成本很低 -很低啊 那你要怎麼改變 |
|
|
|
1191 |
|
00:49:23,406 --> 00:49:25,966 |
|
沒有啦 我覺得是這樣 |
|
|
|
1192 |
|
00:49:26,354 --> 00:49:29,254 |
|
房子要分三組來考慮 |
|
|
|
1193 |
|
00:49:29,254 --> 00:49:30,554 |
|
一個是沒有房子 |
|
|
|
1194 |
|
00:49:30,554 --> 00:49:32,554 |
|
一個是他只有一戶是在住 |
|
|
|
1195 |
|
00:49:32,554 --> 00:49:33,854 |
|
一個是他有很多房子 |
|
|
|
1196 |
|
00:49:33,854 --> 00:49:35,854 |
|
他在當包租公 包租婆 |
|
|
|
1197 |
|
00:49:35,854 --> 00:49:38,354 |
|
其實我們要打的是那個有很多房子的 |
|
|
|
1198 |
|
00:49:38,354 --> 00:49:40,354 |
|
沒有房子的人就你要幫他 |
|
|
|
1199 |
|
00:49:40,354 --> 00:49:41,854 |
|
幫他找房子嘛 |
|
|
|
1200 |
|
00:49:41,854 --> 00:49:42,854 |
|
他那個只有一戶 |
|
|
|
1201 |
|
00:49:42,854 --> 00:49:44,354 |
|
他那個是生活必需品 |
|
|
|
1202 |
|
00:49:44,354 --> 00:49:45,354 |
|
所以那個稅就要很低 |
|
|
|
1203 |
|
00:49:45,354 --> 00:49:47,354 |
|
所以本來就是要多屋稅 |
|
|
|
1204 |
|
00:49:47,354 --> 00:49:49,354 |
|
就隨著房屋越多稅越高 |
|
|
|
1205 |
|
00:49:49,354 --> 00:49:50,854 |
|
我們現在台灣是這樣 |
|
|
|
1206 |
|
00:49:50,854 --> 00:49:52,354 |
|
我們現在一般來講 |
|
|
|
1207 |
|
00:49:52,354 --> 00:49:55,354 |
|
像我們台北市是差六倍 |
|
|
|
1208 |
|
00:49:55,666 --> 00:49:57,266 |
|
第一戶跟後面的 |
|
|
|
1209 |
|
00:49:57,266 --> 00:49:59,266 |
|
其他縣市差25% |
|
|
|
1210 |
|
00:50:00,034 --> 00:50:03,074 |
|
就說你前三戶一個稅率 |
|
|
|
1211 |
|
00:50:03,074 --> 00:50:05,314 |
|
那後來你到一萬戶 |
|
|
|
1212 |
|
00:50:05,314 --> 00:50:08,414 |
|
稅率都增很少 |
|
|
|
1213 |
|
00:50:08,414 --> 00:50:10,814 |
|
所以這個就沒有效 |
|
|
|
1214 |
|
00:50:10,814 --> 00:50:14,614 |
|
講明白就是包庇那個有很多房子的人 |
|
|
|
1215 |
|
00:50:14,614 --> 00:50:17,614 |
|
這就很奇怪 為什麼每個縣市都不改 我不曉得 |
|
|
|
1216 |
|
00:50:17,614 --> 00:50:19,614 |
|
我們台北市是差到六倍 |
|
|
|
1217 |
|
00:50:19,614 --> 00:50:22,614 |
|
其他縣市差25%而已 |
|
|
|
1218 |
|
00:50:22,614 --> 00:50:24,614 |
|
那您當總統 |
|
|
|
1219 |
|
00:50:24,614 --> 00:50:26,614 |
|
你怎麼解決這個 |
|
|
|
1220 |
|
00:50:26,614 --> 00:50:28,614 |
|
這個是這樣啦 |
|
|
|
1221 |
|
00:50:28,614 --> 00:50:30,614 |
|
好像小英從12年 |
|
|
|
1222 |
|
00:50:30,614 --> 00:50:32,614 |
|
她就說這個問題 |
|
|
|
1223 |
|
00:50:32,614 --> 00:50:33,614 |
|
到現在23年 |
|
|
|
1224 |
|
00:50:33,614 --> 00:50:34,614 |
|
我跟你講喔 |
|
|
|
1225 |
|
00:50:34,614 --> 00:50:36,614 |
|
這是這樣 我也學乖了 |
|
|
|
1226 |
|
00:50:37,154 --> 00:50:39,154 |
|
要改喔 也不要想要一次 |
|
|
|
1227 |
|
00:50:39,154 --> 00:50:42,154 |
|
你就先講說 我們預計用幾年的時間 |
|
|
|
1228 |
|
00:50:42,154 --> 00:50:45,154 |
|
然後把這個稅率慢慢調整 |
|
|
|
1229 |
|
00:50:45,154 --> 00:50:47,154 |
|
你一下子調 大家動不了 |
|
|
|
1230 |
|
00:50:47,154 --> 00:50:49,154 |
|
所以我覺得很重要的概念 |
|
|
|
1231 |
|
00:50:49,154 --> 00:50:51,154 |
|
不要幻想一天改變這個國家 |
|
|
|
1232 |
|
00:50:51,154 --> 00:50:52,154 |
|
但是更重要的 |
|
|
|
1233 |
|
00:50:52,154 --> 00:50:53,654 |
|
也不要幻想你什麼事都不做 |
|
|
|
1234 |
|
00:50:53,654 --> 00:50:54,654 |
|
這個國家會改變 |
|
|
|
1235 |
|
00:50:54,654 --> 00:50:56,154 |
|
所以我們要給國家就是 |
|
|
|
1236 |
|
00:50:56,154 --> 00:50:59,154 |
|
穩定的緩慢 慢慢改變 |
|
|
|
1237 |
|
00:50:59,426 --> 00:51:01,206 |
|
都不做 |
|
|
|
1238 |
|
00:51:01,466 --> 00:51:04,026 |
|
等到火燒屁股才處理 就很難處理 |
|
|
|
1239 |
|
00:51:04,026 --> 00:51:06,846 |
|
那我在這邊表個不情之請 想要 |
|
|
|
1240 |
|
00:51:07,106 --> 00:51:11,206 |
|
請主席到時候我們辦的這個居住遊行跟司法正義遊行 |
|
|
|
1241 |
|
00:51:11,446 --> 00:51:12,726 |
|
請您來現場支持 |
|
|
|
1242 |
|
00:51:12,986 --> 00:51:18,366 |
|
可以啦 沒問題啦 因為這個居住正義在我們台北市 我覺得我在當市長的時候 |
|
|
|
1243 |
|
00:51:18,366 --> 00:51:19,906 |
|
居住正義很認真在做 |
|
|
|
1244 |
|
00:51:20,406 --> 00:51:21,946 |
|
所以那天你可以 你會到場嗎 |
|
|
|
1245 |
|
00:51:22,206 --> 00:51:22,726 |
|
可以啊 |
|
|
|
1246 |
|
00:51:22,726 --> 00:51:25,026 |
|
那你可以呼籲一下大家來現場聽你講話嗎 |
|
|
|
1247 |
|
00:51:25,042 --> 00:51:27,342 |
|
可以啦 可以啦 這個居住正義我是很熟啦 |
|
|
|
1248 |
|
00:51:27,342 --> 00:51:29,742 |
|
那個司法改革聽黃國昌的就可以 |
|
|
|
1249 |
|
00:51:29,742 --> 00:51:30,342 |
|
是 |
|
|
|
1250 |
|
00:51:30,342 --> 00:51:31,182 |
|
我最近有聽他講過 |
|
|
|
1251 |
|
00:51:31,182 --> 00:51:33,242 |
|
因為我現在要講的問題 |
|
|
|
1252 |
|
00:51:33,742 --> 00:51:35,542 |
|
就是司法正義 |
|
|
|
1253 |
|
00:51:35,802 --> 00:51:37,842 |
|
民進黨解決不了居住正義嘛 |
|
|
|
1254 |
|
00:51:37,842 --> 00:51:39,382 |
|
那民進黨最近 |
|
|
|
1255 |
|
00:51:39,642 --> 00:51:40,662 |
|
這半年 |
|
|
|
1256 |
|
00:51:41,162 --> 00:51:43,222 |
|
籠罩著司法黑金 |
|
|
|
1257 |
|
00:51:43,982 --> 00:51:44,762 |
|
詐欺 |
|
|
|
1258 |
|
00:51:45,002 --> 00:51:46,802 |
|
那自己的司法出了很多問題 |
|
|
|
1259 |
|
00:51:46,802 --> 00:51:47,562 |
|
譬如講說 |
|
|
|
1260 |
|
00:51:48,082 --> 00:51:49,882 |
|
現在貴黨的高虹安 |
|
|
|
1261 |
|
00:51:50,122 --> 00:51:53,462 |
|
分36路 72路 然後新聞大幅報導 |
|
|
|
1262 |
|
00:51:53,906 --> 00:51:56,206 |
|
然後他們的人出事了 陳歐珀 |
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1263 |
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00:51:56,466 --> 00:51:56,966 |
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就 |
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1264 |
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00:51:57,486 --> 00:51:59,526 |
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什麼都沒有 一路二路 |
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1265 |
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00:51:59,786 --> 00:52:02,866 |
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沒有 不要說一路就好 有沒有檢調介入 好像也沒有 |
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1266 |
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00:52:03,366 --> 00:52:05,926 |
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然後什麼廉政報告 好像也是一坨屎 |
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1267 |
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00:52:06,446 --> 00:52:07,986 |
|
最終也是 他還在民進黨啊 |
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1268 |
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00:52:08,658 --> 00:52:11,738 |
|
那像這樣的這個 這麼扯淡的這個司法環境 |
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1269 |
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00:52:12,238 --> 00:52:13,778 |
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那您當總統嘛 |
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1270 |
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00:52:14,038 --> 00:52:14,798 |
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你的想法是 |
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1271 |
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00:52:15,058 --> 00:52:18,378 |
|
我跟你講 最快的方法找黃國昌來當法務部長就好了 |
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1272 |
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00:52:18,638 --> 00:52:20,438 |
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我們不用每一件事情都自己會 |
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1273 |
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00:52:20,438 --> 00:52:21,718 |
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所以你已經 |
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1274 |
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00:52:21,978 --> 00:52:24,018 |
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你已經確定是在這邊要跟 |
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1275 |
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00:52:24,278 --> 00:52:25,818 |
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所有 為什麼你要找他當 |
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1276 |
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00:52:26,318 --> 00:52:28,118 |
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不是啦 我跟他談過 |
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1277 |
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00:52:28,118 --> 00:52:32,218 |
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有一次我去跟他 我說這樣好了 那個司法改革我實在是 |
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1278 |
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00:52:32,458 --> 00:52:33,238 |
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沒有idea |
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1279 |
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00:52:33,498 --> 00:52:34,518 |
|
你跟我上課好了 |
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1280 |
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00:52:34,518 --> 00:52:36,758 |
|
結果聽了半個鐘頭 我說算了算了 |
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1281 |
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00:52:36,758 --> 00:52:38,558 |
|
我還是聘你當法務部長 |
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1282 |
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00:52:38,558 --> 00:52:39,558 |
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是 |
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1283 |
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00:52:39,558 --> 00:52:41,358 |
|
我要自己搞清楚 我沒辦法 |
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1284 |
|
00:52:41,598 --> 00:52:42,358 |
|
OK |
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1285 |
|
00:52:42,946 --> 00:52:47,806 |
|
那太好了 我們今天這個司法問題他就直接說 |
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1286 |
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00:52:48,826 --> 00:52:50,886 |
|
黃國昌就是司法部長 |
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1287 |
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00:52:51,126 --> 00:52:54,466 |
|
昨天晚上一大堆觀眾群說叫我 我說我這個我不能干涉 |
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1288 |
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00:52:54,466 --> 00:52:55,486 |
|
可以啦 |
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1289 |
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00:52:55,746 --> 00:52:58,046 |
|
我跟他討論過 你信任這個人吧 |
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1290 |
|
00:52:58,306 --> 00:52:59,066 |
|
沒問題啊 |
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1291 |
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00:52:59,326 --> 00:53:00,866 |
|
人是看他的 |
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1292 |
|
00:53:01,366 --> 00:53:03,926 |
|
過去的這段時間做的事 |
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1293 |
|
00:53:04,446 --> 00:53:06,746 |
|
我覺得他是很有 |
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1294 |
|
00:53:07,410 --> 00:53:09,590 |
|
他很激動 你知道嗎 對 他很有毅力 |
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1295 |
|
00:53:09,590 --> 00:53:11,790 |
|
他跟我講 我說你不要那麼激動 |
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1296 |
|
00:53:11,790 --> 00:53:13,410 |
|
他說為什麼壞人都不能抓起來 |
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1297 |
|
00:53:13,410 --> 00:53:14,590 |
|
我說抓不完啦 |
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1298 |
|
00:53:16,450 --> 00:53:18,170 |
|
我說我們要從制度改變 |
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1299 |
|
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:19,230 |
|
慢慢來弄 |
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1300 |
|
00:53:19,230 --> 00:53:20,570 |
|
他就很激動 他說 |
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1301 |
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00:53:20,870 --> 00:53:22,570 |
|
為什麼壞人都不能把他抓起來 |
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1302 |
|
00:53:22,570 --> 00:53:23,970 |
|
是 |
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1303 |
|
00:53:23,970 --> 00:53:24,630 |
|
好 |
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1304 |
|
00:53:26,350 --> 00:53:29,370 |
|
好我們講到這邊 大家請我們上冰好不好 |
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1305 |
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00:53:30,030 --> 00:53:31,230 |
|
我們大家都買冰了嘛 |
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1306 |
|
00:53:31,230 --> 00:53:33,770 |
|
請我們阿伯吃一下我們的冰好不好 |
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1307 |
|
00:53:33,770 --> 00:53:34,810 |
|
我們今天要聊 |
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1308 |
|
00:53:35,686 --> 00:53:37,486 |
|
要聊一下 要聊一下 |
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1309 |
|
00:53:37,726 --> 00:53:39,766 |
|
所以你認為黃國昌是個人才 |
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1310 |
|
00:53:40,286 --> 00:53:43,866 |
|
其實他以前在立法院就知道 他一個就屌打全部 |
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1311 |
|
00:53:44,126 --> 00:53:46,426 |
|
一個人一個就夠了 |
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1312 |
|
00:53:46,686 --> 00:53:52,566 |
|
一百多個立委都沒他一個人強 對啊 那一個就可以把大家打得鼻青臉腫 |
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|
1313 |
|
00:53:53,634 --> 00:53:56,974 |
|
哇 那真的是太強了 你們這樣子太強 |
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1314 |
|
00:53:56,974 --> 00:53:59,274 |
|
那你現在的副總統人選有想 |
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1315 |
|
00:53:59,274 --> 00:54:02,074 |
|
當然不要 但是你有想要是什麼樣的人 還在找 |
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1316 |
|
00:54:02,074 --> 00:54:03,114 |
|
沒有 我本來說 |
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|
1317 |
|
00:54:03,374 --> 00:54:05,414 |
|
中南部女性企業界 |
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1318 |
|
00:54:05,414 --> 00:54:06,954 |
|
這是我的理想 |
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|
1319 |
|
00:54:06,954 --> 00:54:08,994 |
|
但是 但也不是說一定要全部啦 |
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|
1320 |
|
00:54:08,994 --> 00:54:11,294 |
|
就是看看有符合幾個條件 儘量找 |
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1321 |
|
00:54:11,294 --> 00:54:12,314 |
|
那你的條件是 |
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1322 |
|
00:54:12,314 --> 00:54:14,374 |
|
你可以先跟大家觀眾朋友透露一下 |
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|
1323 |
|
00:54:14,374 --> 00:54:16,674 |
|
我不講過嗎 中南部的女性 |
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|
1324 |
|
00:54:17,194 --> 00:54:17,954 |
|
還有 |
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|
1325 |
|
00:54:17,954 --> 00:54:19,994 |
|
他需要有什麼樣的一個 |
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|
1326 |
|
00:54:20,258 --> 00:54:22,978 |
|
這三個條件是優先啦 其他 |
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|
1327 |
|
00:54:22,978 --> 00:54:25,658 |
|
企業家 女性 中南部 |
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|
1328 |
|
00:54:25,658 --> 00:54:26,398 |
|
是 |
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|
1329 |
|
00:54:26,398 --> 00:54:28,398 |
|
這也最理想啦 阿如果 |
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|
1330 |
|
00:54:28,818 --> 00:54:30,818 |
|
沒有沒辦法 就 |
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|
1331 |
|
00:54:30,818 --> 00:54:32,818 |
|
反正就條件越多越好 |
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|
1332 |
|
00:54:32,818 --> 00:54:34,818 |
|
沒有就有兩個也可以這樣 |
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|
1333 |
|
00:54:35,318 --> 00:54:36,818 |
|
再不行有一個也可以 |
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|
1334 |
|
00:54:38,642 --> 00:54:39,142 |
|
來 |
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|
1335 |
|
00:54:39,662 --> 00:54:40,682 |
|
你要這麼多喔 |
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|
1336 |
|
00:54:41,202 --> 00:54:42,982 |
|
啊你有湯匙嗎他每一個裡面 |
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|
1337 |
|
00:54:43,242 --> 00:54:45,542 |
|
不是啊你不拿一個鐵湯匙給他 |
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|
|
1338 |
|
00:54:46,582 --> 00:54:48,622 |
|
你現在要吃哪一個他有巧克力 |
|
|
|
1339 |
|
00:54:48,882 --> 00:54:51,942 |
|
有芋頭有綠茶有紅豆牛奶有 |
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|
|
1340 |
|
00:54:52,722 --> 00:54:54,762 |
|
那你現在要拿一個鐵湯匙給我 |
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|
1341 |
|
00:54:55,022 --> 00:54:56,302 |
|
你要幫他拿個鐵湯匙 |
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|
|
1342 |
|
00:54:57,062 --> 00:54:57,582 |
|
鐵湯匙來 |
|
|
|
1343 |
|
00:54:57,842 --> 00:54:59,382 |
|
因為他裡面那個小湯匙太慢了 |
|
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|
1344 |
|
00:55:00,034 --> 00:55:03,614 |
|
他的蜂蜜做得比較緊 哇 你這個是 |
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|
|
1345 |
|
00:55:03,874 --> 00:55:05,914 |
|
蜂蜜牛奶冰淇淋 |
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|
1346 |
|
00:55:05,914 --> 00:55:07,454 |
|
對 我等一下幫你拿那個來 我幫你吃 |
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|
1347 |
|
00:55:07,714 --> 00:55:08,994 |
|
他等一下他拿那個 |
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|
1348 |
|
00:55:09,494 --> 00:55:10,534 |
|
湯匙會比較慢 |
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|
1349 |
|
00:55:13,854 --> 00:55:15,394 |
|
待會拿湯匙來 |
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|
|
1350 |
|
00:55:15,894 --> 00:55:18,214 |
|
那你們吃一吃吧 我現在惡名昭彰 |
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|
1351 |
|
00:55:18,214 --> 00:55:18,974 |
|
你們吃一吃吧 |
|
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|
1352 |
|
00:55:19,494 --> 00:55:20,254 |
|
你們現場吃一吃 |
|
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|
1353 |
|
00:55:26,394 --> 00:55:28,694 |
|
好 我們等一下一邊吃一邊聊 |
|
|
|
1354 |
|
00:55:30,282 --> 00:55:31,262 |
|
那你跟 |
|
|
|
1355 |
|
00:55:31,502 --> 00:55:34,022 |
|
郭台銘現在是在海邊吹著風 |
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|
|
1356 |
|
00:55:34,022 --> 00:55:35,342 |
|
他喝了清涼酒 |
|
|
|
1357 |
|
00:55:35,862 --> 00:55:38,422 |
|
然後媒體把你們這樣子牽著手 |
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|
|
1358 |
|
00:55:38,942 --> 00:55:40,982 |
|
這樣子 你現在想法是 |
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|
1359 |
|
00:55:40,982 --> 00:55:42,502 |
|
沒有啦 我覺得是這樣啦 |
|
|
|
1360 |
|
00:55:43,282 --> 00:55:44,822 |
|
交朋友可以啦 |
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|
1361 |
|
00:55:45,938 --> 00:55:47,738 |
|
朋友要多敵人要少 |
|
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|
1362 |
|
00:55:47,738 --> 00:55:49,438 |
|
團結一切可團結的力量 |
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|
1363 |
|
00:55:49,438 --> 00:55:49,938 |
|
就這樣 |
|
|
|
1364 |
|
00:55:50,538 --> 00:55:52,858 |
|
至於其他的 我看就放輕鬆 |
|
|
|
1365 |
|
00:55:53,358 --> 00:55:54,898 |
|
你想要說叫他來支持你嗎 |
|
|
|
1366 |
|
00:55:54,898 --> 00:55:56,698 |
|
你有這個想法 你有跟他談過嗎 |
|
|
|
1367 |
|
00:55:56,698 --> 00:55:58,738 |
|
沒有啦 我先講喔 |
|
|
|
1368 |
|
00:55:58,998 --> 00:56:01,298 |
|
本黨成立到現在我們都沒有拿過他的錢 |
|
|
|
1369 |
|
00:56:01,298 --> 00:56:02,318 |
|
都沒有拿過他的錢 |
|
|
|
1370 |
|
00:56:02,578 --> 00:56:04,378 |
|
你為什麼要這個堅持 |
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|
1371 |
|
00:56:04,378 --> 00:56:06,418 |
|
他就是一個行動的銀行啊 |
|
|
|
1372 |
|
00:56:06,418 --> 00:56:07,438 |
|
他也不會給我啊 |
|
|
|
1373 |
|
00:56:09,998 --> 00:56:11,278 |
|
第一個我們沒有跟他討 |
|
|
|
1374 |
|
00:56:12,558 --> 00:56:14,098 |
|
他也沒有主動給我 |
|
|
|
1375 |
|
00:56:14,098 --> 00:56:15,378 |
|
那我的個性 |
|
|
|
1376 |
|
00:56:15,838 --> 00:56:17,578 |
|
啊算了 跟人家討很漏氣 |
|
|
|
1377 |
|
00:56:17,578 --> 00:56:19,578 |
|
你要給就給 不給就算了 |
|
|
|
1378 |
|
00:56:19,578 --> 00:56:20,738 |
|
是 |
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|
1379 |
|
00:56:21,218 --> 00:56:22,498 |
|
所以他也沒有說什麼 |
|
|
|
1380 |
|
00:56:22,978 --> 00:56:24,778 |
|
像新聞記者說什麼猜說 |
|
|
|
1381 |
|
00:56:24,778 --> 00:56:26,478 |
|
啊可能他要當正你要當副 |
|
|
|
1382 |
|
00:56:26,478 --> 00:56:27,598 |
|
你要當正他要當副 |
|
|
|
1383 |
|
00:56:27,598 --> 00:56:29,698 |
|
沒有啦 我那時候就跟他講說 |
|
|
|
1384 |
|
00:56:29,698 --> 00:56:31,678 |
|
你都自己把自己的路堵死了 |
|
|
|
1385 |
|
00:56:32,198 --> 00:56:34,678 |
|
他一開始就講說如果他參加國民黨的初選 |
|
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|
1386 |
|
00:56:34,678 --> 00:56:36,298 |
|
那沒有上他就是侯友宜 |
|
|
|
1387 |
|
00:56:36,798 --> 00:56:39,358 |
|
我跟他講說你這樣講以後你根本 |
|
|
|
1388 |
|
00:56:39,618 --> 00:56:40,638 |
|
根本就沒有 |
|
|
|
1389 |
|
00:56:40,898 --> 00:56:42,938 |
|
沒有落成 因為沒有辦法退嘛 |
|
|
|
1390 |
|
00:56:43,978 --> 00:56:45,758 |
|
我跟他 哎呀 |
|
|
|
1391 |
|
00:56:45,758 --> 00:56:47,298 |
|
自然就好 |
|
|
|
1392 |
|
00:56:47,558 --> 00:56:48,318 |
|
自然就好 |
|
|
|
1393 |
|
00:56:50,802 --> 00:56:52,602 |
|
人家有人認為你們 |
|
|
|
1394 |
|
00:56:52,862 --> 00:56:54,642 |
|
我們還是要講政黨 |
|
|
|
1395 |
|
00:56:55,162 --> 00:56:58,742 |
|
就是說人家認為你們的民眾黨核心論述混亂 |
|
|
|
1396 |
|
00:56:59,002 --> 00:57:00,782 |
|
收了一堆垃圾在黨裡 |
|
|
|
1397 |
|
00:57:01,042 --> 00:57:02,582 |
|
身為主席的你 |
|
|
|
1398 |
|
00:57:03,102 --> 00:57:05,902 |
|
沒有啦我們哪有什麼垃圾也不多啦 |
|
|
|
1399 |
|
00:57:06,942 --> 00:57:08,462 |
|
應該慢慢都有清掉吧 |
|
|
|
1400 |
|
00:57:08,722 --> 00:57:10,262 |
|
我們有問題的我們都會清掉 |
|
|
|
1401 |
|
00:57:10,522 --> 00:57:11,802 |
|
是 來我們吃吃看 |
|
|
|
1402 |
|
00:57:20,668 --> 00:57:23,228 |
|
慢慢來啦 慢慢吃啦 |
|
|
|
1403 |
|
00:57:23,228 --> 00:57:24,248 |
|
不要這樣啦 |
|
|
|
1404 |
|
00:57:24,508 --> 00:57:26,808 |
|
吃冰就是吃冰 |
|
|
|
1405 |
|
00:57:27,068 --> 00:57:28,348 |
|
吃冰就是吃冰 |
|
|
|
1406 |
|
00:57:28,608 --> 00:57:29,368 |
|
直接等一下 |
|
|
|
1407 |
|
00:57:30,648 --> 00:57:31,168 |
|
等一下 |
|
|
|
1408 |
|
00:57:34,748 --> 00:57:35,248 |
|
好吃嗎 |
|
|
|
1409 |
|
00:57:36,028 --> 00:57:36,528 |
|
還好 |
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1410 |
|
00:57:36,788 --> 00:57:37,308 |
|
還好喔 |
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1411 |
|
00:57:38,588 --> 00:57:41,148 |
|
我覺得我們民眾當然也沒有什麼 |
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1412 |
|
00:57:41,648 --> 00:57:43,188 |
|
我們有問題還是會 |
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1413 |
|
00:57:43,188 --> 00:57:44,988 |
|
現在解決嘛 總會有問題嘛 |
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1414 |
|
00:57:44,988 --> 00:57:46,268 |
|
我們其實我跟你講 |
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1415 |
|
00:57:46,268 --> 00:57:48,568 |
|
我開玩笑說我們那個正義魔人太多了 |
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1416 |
|
00:57:48,828 --> 00:57:49,328 |
|
是 |
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|
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1417 |
|
00:57:50,594 --> 00:57:54,594 |
|
看到不順眼的都會檢舉 所以還好 |
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1418 |
|
00:58:01,244 --> 00:58:06,364 |
|
來 你上次很多的這個爭議 大家都有問 排黑條款 |
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1419 |
|
00:58:06,624 --> 00:58:08,924 |
|
然後你說什麼 哎呀 你要去 |
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1420 |
|
00:58:08,924 --> 00:58:11,224 |
|
沒有 排黑條款其實我有意見 |
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1421 |
|
00:58:11,984 --> 00:58:12,764 |
|
如果我們有 |
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1422 |
|
00:58:13,264 --> 00:58:14,804 |
|
褫奪公權的法令 |
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1423 |
|
00:58:15,064 --> 00:58:16,604 |
|
為什麼要再另外弄一個 |
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1424 |
|
00:58:17,104 --> 00:58:18,644 |
|
還有一件事 |
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1425 |
|
00:58:20,184 --> 00:58:21,984 |
|
如果他30年前的事 |
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1426 |
|
00:58:24,284 --> 00:58:26,324 |
|
他這一輩子就什麼都不行了 |
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1427 |
|
00:58:27,490 --> 00:58:32,090 |
|
這也怪你知道嗎 我們教育的目的是要讓壞學生變好學生 |
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1428 |
|
00:58:32,350 --> 00:58:34,410 |
|
而不是把壞學生槍斃嘛 |
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1429 |
|
00:58:34,650 --> 00:58:36,710 |
|
你現在這個排黑條款 |
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1430 |
|
00:58:37,730 --> 00:58:43,110 |
|
我是覺得應該是有用褫奪公權 你要判幾年就幾年 褫奪公權多久 |
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1431 |
|
00:58:43,610 --> 00:58:45,150 |
|
現在判無期徒刑 |
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1432 |
|
00:58:46,114 --> 00:58:47,614 |
|
我跟他怪怪的 |
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1433 |
|
00:58:47,614 --> 00:58:48,754 |
|
我是跟他怪怪的啦 |
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1434 |
|
00:58:48,754 --> 00:58:49,254 |
|
是 |
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1435 |
|
00:58:49,254 --> 00:58:50,254 |
|
還有一個人喔 |
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1436 |
|
00:58:50,514 --> 00:58:53,274 |
|
小心講話 因為新聞記者會拿這個去說 |
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1437 |
|
00:58:53,274 --> 00:58:53,774 |
|
沒有 |
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1438 |
|
00:58:53,774 --> 00:58:57,314 |
|
你支持黑的去選政治人物 |
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|
1439 |
|
00:58:57,314 --> 00:58:59,054 |
|
他們現在都是玩這一招 對 |
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1440 |
|
00:58:59,374 --> 00:59:01,374 |
|
還有一點啦 你也不能 |
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|
1441 |
|
00:59:01,714 --> 00:59:03,734 |
|
他那裡面最有問題是 |
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1442 |
|
00:59:03,734 --> 00:59:06,194 |
|
沒有定讞就可以 |
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1443 |
|
00:59:06,978 --> 00:59:09,578 |
|
就可以把他排掉 就只要起訴你就不能選 |
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1444 |
|
00:59:09,578 --> 00:59:12,358 |
|
這也很怪 起訴 |
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|
1445 |
|
00:59:13,158 --> 00:59:15,518 |
|
這也不是無罪推定 |
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1446 |
|
00:59:15,518 --> 00:59:17,278 |
|
這法律的基本常識 |
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1447 |
|
00:59:17,278 --> 00:59:20,698 |
|
法不訴既往 無罪推定 這也法律的基本常識 |
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|
1448 |
|
00:59:20,878 --> 00:59:24,158 |
|
你怎麼定一個法律 一聽就違反那個 |
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|
1449 |
|
00:59:25,198 --> 00:59:27,698 |
|
法律的基本常識 這我想不到 |
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|
1450 |
|
00:59:33,618 --> 00:59:37,018 |
|
對阿 我老實講我是覺得怪怪的 |
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1451 |
|
00:59:37,018 --> 00:59:38,018 |
|
阿再來 |
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|
1452 |
|
00:59:38,198 --> 00:59:40,258 |
|
我們不是有更生人協會嗎 |
|
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|
1453 |
|
00:59:40,258 --> 00:59:42,798 |
|
你叫我更生人協會關門就好了 |
|
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|
1454 |
|
00:59:43,418 --> 00:59:45,158 |
|
這樣的話是不是犯一個 |
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|
1455 |
|
00:59:45,158 --> 00:59:47,618 |
|
犯一個錯就把他拖去槍斃就結束了 |
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|
1456 |
|
00:59:47,758 --> 00:59:49,958 |
|
我覺得這怪怪的 這就發生怪怪的 |
|
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|
1457 |
|
00:59:51,658 --> 00:59:55,618 |
|
那阿伯你現在認為對於中國的方面你有什麼論述 |
|
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|
1458 |
|
00:59:57,302 --> 00:59:59,102 |
|
反正中國就是那個樣子嘛 |
|
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|
1459 |
|
00:59:59,622 --> 01:00:00,802 |
|
自保 |
|
|
|
1460 |
|
01:00:01,402 --> 01:00:02,942 |
|
我去美國跟他講說 |
|
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|
1461 |
|
01:00:03,202 --> 01:00:05,242 |
|
我說中國在過去70年 |
|
|
|
1462 |
|
01:00:05,242 --> 01:00:07,302 |
|
他對台灣的意圖從來沒有改變 |
|
|
|
1463 |
|
01:00:07,802 --> 01:00:10,122 |
|
唯有改變到現在力量變得很強大 |
|
|
|
1464 |
|
01:00:10,122 --> 01:00:11,142 |
|
所以才難纏 |
|
|
|
1465 |
|
01:00:11,642 --> 01:00:14,722 |
|
我說難道他70年前對台灣就比較好嗎 |
|
|
|
1466 |
|
01:00:14,722 --> 01:00:15,222 |
|
沒有啊 |
|
|
|
1467 |
|
01:00:15,742 --> 01:00:17,782 |
|
他要把台灣吃掉的 |
|
|
|
1468 |
|
01:00:18,042 --> 01:00:20,342 |
|
意圖70年來都沒有改變 |
|
|
|
1469 |
|
01:00:20,342 --> 01:00:21,122 |
|
是 |
|
|
|
1470 |
|
01:00:21,122 --> 01:00:22,402 |
|
所以是這樣 |
|
|
|
1471 |
|
01:00:23,382 --> 01:00:27,402 |
|
其實後來我聽聽美國的那些講話 |
|
|
|
1472 |
|
01:00:27,402 --> 01:00:28,902 |
|
我也同意一個戰略就是說 |
|
|
|
1473 |
|
01:00:29,402 --> 01:00:32,402 |
|
我不太可能可以跟你單挑你知道 |
|
|
|
1474 |
|
01:00:32,662 --> 01:00:34,962 |
|
但是我還是要讓你知道說你打我的話 |
|
|
|
1475 |
|
01:00:36,002 --> 01:00:37,502 |
|
你的代價很大 |
|
|
|
1476 |
|
01:00:38,002 --> 01:00:40,542 |
|
大到你要想想看 |
|
|
|
1477 |
|
01:00:41,506 --> 01:00:43,806 |
|
所以它是個嚇阻戰術 |
|
|
|
1478 |
|
01:00:43,806 --> 01:00:45,086 |
|
我後來聽一聽 |
|
|
|
1479 |
|
01:00:45,346 --> 01:00:48,166 |
|
我跟美國的國家戰略我是同意的 |
|
|
|
1480 |
|
01:00:48,166 --> 01:00:48,926 |
|
嚇阻 |
|
|
|
1481 |
|
01:00:48,926 --> 01:00:50,206 |
|
嚇阻戰術 |
|
|
|
1482 |
|
01:00:50,726 --> 01:00:51,746 |
|
我知道我打不贏你 |
|
|
|
1483 |
|
01:00:52,006 --> 01:00:52,506 |
|
是 |
|
|
|
1484 |
|
01:00:52,506 --> 01:00:53,786 |
|
但你打我的時候 |
|
|
|
1485 |
|
01:00:54,306 --> 01:00:55,326 |
|
你會很慘 |
|
|
|
1486 |
|
01:00:55,586 --> 01:00:56,086 |
|
是 |
|
|
|
1487 |
|
01:00:56,346 --> 01:00:58,646 |
|
那你對國防議題有什麼 |
|
|
|
1488 |
|
01:00:58,646 --> 01:01:00,446 |
|
有什麼講述嗎 |
|
|
|
1489 |
|
01:01:01,206 --> 01:01:02,246 |
|
你對國防議題有什麼 |
|
|
|
1490 |
|
01:01:02,246 --> 01:01:04,286 |
|
我跟你講喔 |
|
|
|
1491 |
|
01:01:04,806 --> 01:01:06,086 |
|
其實美國也要求說 |
|
|
|
1492 |
|
01:01:06,326 --> 01:01:08,126 |
|
國防預算到GDP3%啦 |
|
|
|
1493 |
|
01:01:08,126 --> 01:01:09,666 |
|
我也覺得 我也沒有意見 |
|
|
|
1494 |
|
01:01:10,994 --> 01:01:14,214 |
|
我跟你講 其實國防行不行 我們心裡有素 |
|
|
|
1495 |
|
01:01:14,934 --> 01:01:17,394 |
|
你那個兵役從四個月變一年 |
|
|
|
1496 |
|
01:01:17,394 --> 01:01:18,994 |
|
重點不是四個月變一年 |
|
|
|
1497 |
|
01:01:18,994 --> 01:01:21,774 |
|
重點是那一年到底訓練內容是什麼 |
|
|
|
1498 |
|
01:01:21,774 --> 01:01:23,894 |
|
所以還是要紮實的實事求是 |
|
|
|
1499 |
|
01:01:23,894 --> 01:01:25,894 |
|
還有一點啦 海空軍一年也沒有用 |
|
|
|
1500 |
|
01:01:25,894 --> 01:01:29,594 |
|
你當總統 |
|
|
|
1501 |
|
01:01:29,594 --> 01:01:31,834 |
|
您就是三軍統帥 |
|
|
|
1502 |
|
01:01:32,534 --> 01:01:35,994 |
|
那你如何去統御三軍 這個真的是非常重要 |
|
|
|
1503 |
|
01:01:35,994 --> 01:01:38,794 |
|
我跟你講喔 其實軍人你知道 我覺得 |
|
|
|
1504 |
|
01:01:38,794 --> 01:01:40,794 |
|
在民進黨執政的時候有一個比較麻煩 |
|
|
|
1505 |
|
01:01:40,794 --> 01:01:42,794 |
|
我們對軍人不太 |
|
|
|
1506 |
|
01:01:42,794 --> 01:01:45,794 |
|
讓軍人沒有尊嚴 |
|
|
|
1507 |
|
01:01:45,794 --> 01:01:47,794 |
|
我覺得這是很致命傷的 |
|
|
|
1508 |
|
01:01:48,738 --> 01:01:50,738 |
|
我跟你講軍人是很特殊的職業 |
|
|
|
1509 |
|
01:01:50,738 --> 01:01:53,198 |
|
因為平常養兵千日用在一時 |
|
|
|
1510 |
|
01:01:53,198 --> 01:01:55,198 |
|
你看他平常都沒事幹 |
|
|
|
1511 |
|
01:01:55,498 --> 01:01:57,498 |
|
那個要打仗的時候會死人 |
|
|
|
1512 |
|
01:01:57,498 --> 01:01:59,498 |
|
他是拿命在搏 |
|
|
|
1513 |
|
01:01:59,498 --> 01:02:01,998 |
|
所以我覺得對軍人 |
|
|
|
1514 |
|
01:02:01,998 --> 01:02:03,998 |
|
軍人是個很特殊的職業 |
|
|
|
1515 |
|
01:02:04,798 --> 01:02:06,298 |
|
對軍人要那個 |
|
|
|
1516 |
|
01:02:06,298 --> 01:02:08,298 |
|
你不能讓他 |
|
|
|
1517 |
|
01:02:08,626 --> 01:02:11,086 |
|
也許這一兩年 最近有比較好一點 |
|
|
|
1518 |
|
01:02:11,086 --> 01:02:15,746 |
|
以前從蔡英文上任以後 |
|
|
|
1519 |
|
01:02:15,746 --> 01:02:18,626 |
|
前面這幾年讓軍人的尊嚴都掃地了 |
|
|
|
1520 |
|
01:02:19,546 --> 01:02:21,046 |
|
那你想怎麼去做 |
|
|
|
1521 |
|
01:02:21,046 --> 01:02:24,226 |
|
沒有 這尊敬是一種態度 |
|
|
|
1522 |
|
01:02:24,226 --> 01:02:26,426 |
|
你平常的做法什麼 |
|
|
|
1523 |
|
01:02:26,806 --> 01:02:27,826 |
|
就看得到 |
|
|
|
1524 |
|
01:02:27,826 --> 01:02:31,146 |
|
要讓軍人 軍人是特殊職業 他要一個尊嚴 |
|
|
|
1525 |
|
01:02:31,666 --> 01:02:34,486 |
|
還有一點啦 整個國防預算要調整 |
|
|
|
1526 |
|
01:02:34,986 --> 01:02:37,546 |
|
我還是主張海空軍為主 |
|
|
|
1527 |
|
01:02:39,450 --> 01:02:41,450 |
|
你想怎麼做 大致上 |
|
|
|
1528 |
|
01:02:41,450 --> 01:02:42,450 |
|
不是啦 |
|
|
|
1529 |
|
01:02:42,450 --> 01:02:44,450 |
|
我昨天人家也問我這個題目 |
|
|
|
1530 |
|
01:02:44,450 --> 01:02:45,450 |
|
我說很簡單 |
|
|
|
1531 |
|
01:02:45,450 --> 01:02:46,450 |
|
如果你是中國人 |
|
|
|
1532 |
|
01:02:46,450 --> 01:02:49,450 |
|
你打台灣的一定是網路戰第一波 |
|
|
|
1533 |
|
01:02:49,450 --> 01:02:50,450 |
|
再來飛彈 |
|
|
|
1534 |
|
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:52,450 |
|
再來制空 再來制海 |
|
|
|
1535 |
|
01:02:52,450 --> 01:02:53,450 |
|
這才要登陸 |
|
|
|
1536 |
|
01:02:53,450 --> 01:02:55,450 |
|
他只要前面那一關沒有過 |
|
|
|
1537 |
|
01:02:55,450 --> 01:02:56,450 |
|
後面就不會做了 |
|
|
|
1538 |
|
01:02:56,450 --> 01:02:58,450 |
|
所以這樣的話應該就是說 |
|
|
|
1539 |
|
01:02:58,450 --> 01:03:02,450 |
|
其實資訊戰是要擺在更前面 |
|
|
|
1540 |
|
01:03:02,450 --> 01:03:03,450 |
|
再來空戰 |
|
|
|
1541 |
|
01:03:03,450 --> 01:03:04,450 |
|
再來飛彈 |
|
|
|
1542 |
|
01:03:04,450 --> 01:03:05,450 |
|
再來空戰 |
|
|
|
1543 |
|
01:03:05,450 --> 01:03:07,450 |
|
所以同樣的 |
|
|
|
1544 |
|
01:03:07,450 --> 01:03:09,450 |
|
我們那個國防預算應該是 |
|
|
|
1545 |
|
01:03:09,450 --> 01:03:12,450 |
|
要重新編排要往前移 |
|
|
|
1546 |
|
01:03:13,570 --> 01:03:16,130 |
|
往前移 因為人家知道他的打法 |
|
|
|
1547 |
|
01:03:16,738 --> 01:03:19,038 |
|
那所以老實講大陸軍我是不太贊成的 |
|
|
|
1548 |
|
01:03:19,298 --> 01:03:19,798 |
|
是 |
|
|
|
1549 |
|
01:03:21,078 --> 01:03:21,858 |
|
海空為主 |
|
|
|
1550 |
|
01:03:22,358 --> 01:03:23,898 |
|
在海空為主的時候其實 |
|
|
|
1551 |
|
01:03:24,658 --> 01:03:26,198 |
|
我們派一個程度還是募兵為主 |
|
|
|
1552 |
|
01:03:26,458 --> 01:03:29,538 |
|
因為那個海軍空軍哪也是一年 |
|
|
|
1553 |
|
01:03:29,778 --> 01:03:31,318 |
|
就訓練得起來很困難 |
|
|
|
1554 |
|
01:03:31,838 --> 01:03:33,638 |
|
他是必須要是一個長期的啦 |
|
|
|
1555 |
|
01:03:34,658 --> 01:03:37,458 |
|
講到我們軍人的待遇因為我自己也是退伍的 |
|
|
|
1556 |
|
01:03:38,238 --> 01:03:40,538 |
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我覺得我們國家的軍人待遇還是很差 |
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1557 |
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01:03:41,058 --> 01:03:43,358 |
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而且在吃飯你知道其實 |
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1558 |
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01:03:44,118 --> 01:03:45,398 |
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我們國軍很會演戲 |
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1559 |
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01:03:45,858 --> 01:03:47,638 |
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這個演戲的文化 |
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1560 |
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01:03:48,158 --> 01:03:48,958 |
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你也當過 |
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1561 |
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01:03:49,198 --> 01:03:51,498 |
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這個希望可以 |
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1562 |
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01:03:51,758 --> 01:03:52,778 |
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讓軍人比較 |
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1563 |
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01:03:53,038 --> 01:03:53,538 |
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就像 |
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1564 |
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01:03:54,038 --> 01:03:56,358 |
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就像您講的你說中央現在不透明 |
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1565 |
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01:03:56,858 --> 01:03:57,898 |
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那軍中也不透明 |
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1566 |
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01:03:58,398 --> 01:04:00,198 |
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那你也講到處理這事情很簡單 |
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1567 |
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01:04:01,218 --> 01:04:02,238 |
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就讓他變透明 |
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1568 |
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01:04:03,278 --> 01:04:04,818 |
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不要說什麼譬如講說 |
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1569 |
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01:04:06,050 --> 01:04:09,130 |
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他們都會說現在裡面吃自助餐啦 吃得很好 |
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1570 |
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01:04:09,130 --> 01:04:11,170 |
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然後他們就拿示範單位 你也知道嘛 |
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1571 |
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01:04:11,170 --> 01:04:12,690 |
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示範單位 啊靠北 |
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1572 |
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01:04:13,210 --> 01:04:15,770 |
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做兵整個台灣 整個台灣那麼多單位 |
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1573 |
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01:04:16,030 --> 01:04:19,370 |
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你就挑那個吃最好的 那他帶來說 現在都吃這個 其實沒有 |
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1574 |
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01:04:19,610 --> 01:04:21,150 |
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其實他是一個幌子嘛 |
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1575 |
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01:04:21,410 --> 01:04:25,250 |
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就是說 你看這個單位吃的 現在大家都吃 事實上不是 |
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1576 |
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01:04:26,010 --> 01:04:27,030 |
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這個就是演戲 |
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1577 |
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01:04:27,810 --> 01:04:30,370 |
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演戲這我知道 不過吃好像 |
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1578 |
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01:04:30,370 --> 01:04:32,670 |
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最近沒有聽到抱怨 演戲是 |
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1579 |
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01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:35,430 |
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我們都 我當過兵 不過我不曉得這 |
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1580 |
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01:04:35,430 --> 01:04:37,730 |
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問我當兵是40年前的事啦 |
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1581 |
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01:04:37,730 --> 01:04:39,270 |
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現在應該改很多了 |
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1582 |
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01:04:40,030 --> 01:04:42,870 |
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我們當時在高裝檢都是東西借來借去 |
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1583 |
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01:04:42,870 --> 01:04:44,410 |
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高裝檢 |
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1584 |
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01:04:44,410 --> 01:04:45,690 |
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現在還是有這種事情 |
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1585 |
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01:04:45,690 --> 01:04:47,430 |
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還借來借去 我不曉得 |
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1586 |
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01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:49,430 |
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現在就是軍中裡面還是有很多 |
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1587 |
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01:04:49,874 --> 01:04:52,814 |
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做假資料啊 整天打掃啊 |
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1588 |
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01:04:52,814 --> 01:04:54,914 |
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到底是來當兵還當掃地兵啊 |
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1589 |
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01:04:54,914 --> 01:04:56,514 |
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對啊 這是問題 |
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1590 |
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01:04:56,514 --> 01:04:58,314 |
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對啊 這也是問題 就像你講的嘛 |
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1591 |
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01:04:58,574 --> 01:05:00,374 |
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不是訓練四個月跟一年的問題 |
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1592 |
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01:05:00,374 --> 01:05:03,194 |
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是你進去當兵 你受到什麼樣的訓練 內容 |
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1593 |
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01:05:03,194 --> 01:05:06,774 |
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那時候我也在19年的時候 我想要自費 |
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1594 |
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01:05:07,274 --> 01:05:08,554 |
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去教國軍 |
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1595 |
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01:05:08,814 --> 01:05:10,874 |
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然後去教他們紀律體能的東西 |
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1596 |
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01:05:10,874 --> 01:05:12,914 |
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因為外國軍人是在練這個東西 |
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1597 |
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01:05:13,174 --> 01:05:14,454 |
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台灣還是老式訓練 |
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1598 |
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01:05:14,954 --> 01:05:15,994 |
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那時候就被阻擋了嘛 |
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1599 |
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01:05:16,494 --> 01:05:17,774 |
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那時候就有被阻擋到 |
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1600 |
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01:05:18,294 --> 01:05:19,574 |
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所以您上去的時候 |
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1601 |
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01:05:19,618 --> 01:05:21,618 |
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你這個訓練的方式會改變嗎 |
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1602 |
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01:05:21,618 --> 01:05:23,618 |
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一定要改的 我倒覺得這樣啦 |
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1603 |
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01:05:23,618 --> 01:05:25,618 |
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還是要打現代化的戰爭嘛 |
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1604 |
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01:05:25,618 --> 01:05:27,618 |
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所以我就想說 |
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1605 |
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01:05:27,618 --> 01:05:29,618 |
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邱國正說還在刺槍術 |
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1606 |
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01:05:31,618 --> 01:05:34,618 |
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不是說他不重要啦 但是他不應該是重點 |
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1607 |
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01:05:34,618 --> 01:05:36,618 |
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是 的確 |
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1608 |
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01:05:36,618 --> 01:05:38,618 |
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那不應該是重點 |
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1609 |
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01:05:38,618 --> 01:05:40,618 |
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他只是一個很像運動 |
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1610 |
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01:05:40,618 --> 01:05:42,618 |
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體操運動這樣 |
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1611 |
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01:05:42,618 --> 01:05:44,618 |
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其實我跟你講 |
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1612 |
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01:05:44,618 --> 01:05:46,618 |
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不只當兵啦 所有東西都一樣 |
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1613 |
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01:05:46,618 --> 01:05:48,618 |
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務實就好 務實 |
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1614 |
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01:05:49,074 --> 01:05:53,074 |
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行就行 不行就不行 務實啦 別再裝假了 |
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1615 |
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01:05:53,714 --> 01:05:56,454 |
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那你覺得這次民眾黨不分區 |
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1616 |
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01:05:56,454 --> 01:05:59,734 |
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或是在地有分地區的 |
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1617 |
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01:05:59,734 --> 01:06:01,014 |
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您現在 |
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1618 |
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01:06:01,014 --> 01:06:02,894 |
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其實立委喔 其實真的 |
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1619 |
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01:06:03,186 --> 01:06:05,186 |
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是可以找得到人選啦 |
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1620 |
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01:06:05,186 --> 01:06:07,186 |
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但是要找到可以選上真的不容易 為什麼 |
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1621 |
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01:06:07,186 --> 01:06:09,186 |
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那種單一選區 |
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1622 |
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01:06:09,186 --> 01:06:11,186 |
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以前要是複數選區 一個選區可以上好幾個 |
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1623 |
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01:06:11,186 --> 01:06:13,186 |
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你現在單一選區 |
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1624 |
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01:06:13,186 --> 01:06:15,186 |
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一定要過50% |
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1625 |
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01:06:15,186 --> 01:06:17,186 |
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不容易 |
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1626 |
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01:06:17,186 --> 01:06:19,186 |
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不容易 那你到時候不就要 |
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1627 |
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01:06:19,186 --> 01:06:21,186 |
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親自去輔選 母雞帶小雞 |
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1628 |
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01:06:21,186 --> 01:06:23,186 |
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對啊 必要的話還是要 |
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1629 |
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01:06:23,186 --> 01:06:25,186 |
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還是要 |
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1630 |
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01:06:25,186 --> 01:06:27,186 |
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反正自己也要選嘛 就順便跑一跑 |
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1631 |
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01:06:27,186 --> 01:06:29,186 |
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不分區我們會 |
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1632 |
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01:06:29,186 --> 01:06:31,186 |
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比較認真的挑啦 |
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1633 |
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01:06:31,186 --> 01:06:32,306 |
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所以 |
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1634 |
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01:06:32,306 --> 01:06:34,346 |
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挑那個對國家比較有用 |
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1635 |
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01:06:34,346 --> 01:06:37,166 |
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那你現在你的捐款帳戶你了解 |
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1636 |
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01:06:37,686 --> 01:06:38,706 |
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你的錢夠用嗎 |
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1637 |
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01:06:38,706 --> 01:06:41,266 |
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照這樣你又要選立委 又要選區域 你自己又要選總統 |
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1638 |
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01:06:41,526 --> 01:06:43,566 |
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沒有啦 我老實講 我覺得是這樣啦 |
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1639 |
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01:06:44,086 --> 01:06:47,666 |
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錢我有研究過 他說花錢最多一個是 |
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1640 |
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01:06:48,186 --> 01:06:50,486 |
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買傳統媒體 一個是大型造勢 |
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1641 |
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01:06:50,746 --> 01:06:51,506 |
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是 |
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1642 |
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01:06:51,766 --> 01:06:55,346 |
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我在想喔 大型造勢 要全台灣六都這樣辦 |
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1643 |
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01:06:55,794 --> 01:06:59,794 |
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可也許真的到時候就是線上線下整合 規模小一點 |
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1644 |
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01:06:59,794 --> 01:07:00,294 |
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是 |
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1645 |
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01:07:00,294 --> 01:07:02,294 |
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不是啦 大型造勢實在太花錢了 |
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1646 |
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01:07:02,294 --> 01:07:03,794 |
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這太花錢了 |
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1647 |
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01:07:03,794 --> 01:07:06,294 |
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對啊 所以我在想說 |
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1648 |
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01:07:06,294 --> 01:07:07,794 |
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放棄 |
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1649 |
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01:07:07,794 --> 01:07:09,294 |
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也不能放棄啊 |
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1650 |
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01:07:09,294 --> 01:07:10,794 |
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不是啦 我想看能不能減 |
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1651 |
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01:07:10,818 --> 01:07:12,358 |
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也許不要那麼多啦 |
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1652 |
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01:07:12,618 --> 01:07:13,898 |
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我還在思考啦 這個 |
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1653 |
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01:07:14,138 --> 01:07:16,198 |
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其實我跟你講喔 只要不買媒體 |
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1654 |
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01:07:16,958 --> 01:07:20,038 |
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不要大型 減少大型造勢活動 錢就 |
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1655 |
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01:07:20,298 --> 01:07:22,338 |
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錢就夠用 因為 |
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1656 |
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01:07:22,858 --> 01:07:24,378 |
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因為只僱一些人這樣 |
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1657 |
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01:07:24,638 --> 01:07:26,698 |
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那您知道你現在裡面多少錢 |
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1658 |
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01:07:26,938 --> 01:07:28,998 |
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有啦 有啦 不好意思講 |
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1659 |
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01:07:29,258 --> 01:07:30,278 |
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不好意思講 很少 |
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1660 |
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01:07:30,538 --> 01:07:34,618 |
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沒有啦 還可以 還可以 夠用啦 夠用 |
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1661 |
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01:07:35,138 --> 01:07:36,158 |
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就是那嘛 |
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1662 |
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01:07:37,042 --> 01:07:39,882 |
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你如果要走傳統 喔 那個掛看板 |
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1663 |
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01:07:39,882 --> 01:07:41,182 |
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欸 那看板很貴耶 |
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1664 |
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01:07:41,182 --> 01:07:42,482 |
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嗯 |
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1665 |
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01:07:42,482 --> 01:07:44,182 |
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那高速公路 看哪有 |
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1666 |
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01:07:44,182 --> 01:07:44,982 |
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嗯 |
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1667 |
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01:07:44,982 --> 01:07:46,082 |
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一面一個月要多少錢 |
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1668 |
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01:07:46,082 --> 01:07:47,502 |
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你說 三萬還是多少 |
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1669 |
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01:07:47,502 --> 01:07:49,242 |
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他好的 好像一個月 |
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1670 |
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01:07:49,242 --> 01:07:51,542 |
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像東區那種好的 台北市那種 |
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1671 |
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01:07:51,542 --> 01:07:54,442 |
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還有一種 你知道各區域的最熱鬧的地方 |
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1672 |
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01:07:54,442 --> 01:07:56,742 |
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一個月至少20萬 |
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1673 |
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01:07:56,742 --> 01:07:57,942 |
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然後貴的有100萬 |
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1674 |
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01:07:57,942 --> 01:07:59,442 |
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我有聽過100萬的 |
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1675 |
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01:07:59,442 --> 01:08:00,942 |
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西門町那一戶好像 |
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1676 |
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01:08:00,942 --> 01:08:02,342 |
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以前就80還70 |
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1677 |
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01:08:02,342 --> 01:08:04,342 |
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他便宜的從十幾萬 |
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1678 |
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01:08:04,834 --> 01:08:09,194 |
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到一百萬都有 我跟你講 你要是十萬啦 一個月十萬 |
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1679 |
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01:08:09,694 --> 01:08:11,754 |
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你要是掛十個月就一百萬 |
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1680 |
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01:08:11,754 --> 01:08:14,814 |
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那你要全台灣掛三百面要多少錢 |
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1681 |
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01:08:15,074 --> 01:08:17,134 |
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我都不會算 |
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1682 |
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01:08:17,374 --> 01:08:19,174 |
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算了算了 |
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1683 |
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01:08:19,434 --> 01:08:21,474 |
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嚇死人 那只是看板而已 |
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1684 |
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01:08:21,474 --> 01:08:22,754 |
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那你花那麼多錢選 |
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1685 |
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01:08:23,014 --> 01:08:24,794 |
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那你怎麼上去當然是拚命撈 |
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1686 |
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01:08:25,054 --> 01:08:26,854 |
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對啊就是 我覺得這是 |
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1687 |
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01:08:27,114 --> 01:08:28,894 |
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所以選舉費用太高是很大的問題 |
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1688 |
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01:08:29,154 --> 01:08:29,654 |
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是 |
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1689 |
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01:08:29,654 --> 01:08:32,474 |
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我覺得我當官還好是因為我就是 |
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1690 |
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01:08:32,882 --> 01:08:34,882 |
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選舉都比較便宜 |
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1691 |
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01:08:34,882 --> 01:08:36,882 |
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我選舉都很便宜 |
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1692 |
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01:08:36,882 --> 01:08:40,882 |
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所以你就是沒有像人家這種造勢 |
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1693 |
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01:08:40,882 --> 01:08:42,882 |
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沒有啦 我跟你講 |
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1694 |
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01:08:42,882 --> 01:08:44,882 |
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其實我花最多是那種 |
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1695 |
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01:08:44,882 --> 01:08:47,882 |
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就是這個造勢 |
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1696 |
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01:08:47,882 --> 01:08:49,882 |
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還有一個買廣告 |
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1697 |
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01:08:49,882 --> 01:08:51,882 |
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那廣告要怎麼擋 |
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1698 |
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01:08:51,882 --> 01:08:53,882 |
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我講一個笑話 |
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1699 |
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01:08:53,882 --> 01:08:55,882 |
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這是真實故事 |
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1700 |
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01:08:57,106 --> 01:08:59,306 |
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2014年嘛 第一次出來 |
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1701 |
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01:08:59,666 --> 01:09:02,226 |
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就有一個朋友說 我介紹一個 |
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1702 |
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01:09:02,486 --> 01:09:05,546 |
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一個人給你認識 我也不知道怎麼去 |
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1703 |
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01:09:06,066 --> 01:09:09,646 |
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我們明天要跟連勝文見面 我覺得你 |
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1704 |
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01:09:09,906 --> 01:09:12,966 |
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也是有機會啦 我們先給你一個機會啦 |
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1705 |
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01:09:13,226 --> 01:09:16,046 |
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看我們跟你包廣告 |
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1706 |
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01:09:16,306 --> 01:09:17,066 |
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廣告 |
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1707 |
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01:09:18,242 --> 01:09:20,542 |
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就說時段了你知道嗎 |
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1708 |
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01:09:20,802 --> 01:09:22,342 |
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我說喔 |
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1709 |
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01:09:22,602 --> 01:09:24,382 |
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要多少錢 他說一億 |
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1710 |
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01:09:24,902 --> 01:09:25,922 |
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一億 |
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1711 |
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01:09:26,442 --> 01:09:27,462 |
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買通路而已 |
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1712 |
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01:09:27,722 --> 01:09:33,862 |
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一億 包一個廣告 因為廣告通路一億 內容你要自己做 |
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1713 |
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01:09:34,122 --> 01:09:36,422 |
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他就幫你託播這樣 電視嗎 |
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1714 |
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01:09:36,922 --> 01:09:40,002 |
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電視啊廣播啊 package一億 |
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1715 |
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01:09:40,262 --> 01:09:43,582 |
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我跟他說謝謝我回去研究看看然後就跑了 |
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1716 |
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01:09:43,842 --> 01:09:44,602 |
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一億喔 |
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1717 |
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01:09:44,802 --> 01:09:45,842 |
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2014年 |
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1718 |
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01:09:45,842 --> 01:09:48,402 |
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你當市長才多少薪資你可以跟大家講一下 |
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1719 |
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01:09:48,642 --> 01:09:52,502 |
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我有一年拿到 |
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1720 |
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01:09:52,626 --> 01:09:53,666 |
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扣繳憑單 |
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1721 |
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01:09:54,166 --> 01:09:55,966 |
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連年終獎金加起來220萬 |
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1722 |
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01:09:56,206 --> 01:09:58,766 |
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220萬四年是1000萬好不好 |
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1723 |
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01:09:59,026 --> 01:09:59,786 |
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880 |
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1724 |
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01:10:00,046 --> 01:10:01,586 |
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四年880 |
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1725 |
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01:10:01,846 --> 01:10:02,606 |
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那880 |
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1726 |
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01:10:02,866 --> 01:10:05,686 |
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然後一億全 還要扣稅 |
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1727 |
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01:10:05,946 --> 01:10:08,246 |
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啊這媽的這個是什麼這個 |
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1728 |
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01:10:08,506 --> 01:10:10,286 |
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哇很假 這社會很假 |
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1729 |
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01:10:10,546 --> 01:10:14,126 |
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沒有啦我當台北市長薪水比我在台大當醫生一半而已喔 |
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1730 |
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01:10:14,386 --> 01:10:15,146 |
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真奇怪 |
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1731 |
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01:10:16,686 --> 01:10:18,226 |
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我覺得社會很假 |
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1732 |
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01:10:18,486 --> 01:10:20,026 |
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是是是是是所以來 |
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1733 |
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01:10:21,786 --> 01:10:24,346 |
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右 左手邊地板 有水 有啦 我有水 |
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1734 |
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01:10:26,406 --> 01:10:27,426 |
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水啦 要幹什麼 |
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1735 |
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01:10:27,946 --> 01:10:29,726 |
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沒有 觀眾朋友說你都沒喝水 |
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1736 |
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01:10:29,986 --> 01:10:30,746 |
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不用啦 不用啦 |
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1737 |
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01:10:31,006 --> 01:10:32,286 |
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他說我沒有給你水喝 |
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1738 |
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01:10:32,286 --> 01:10:34,346 |
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沒有啦 我是優良 我都 |
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1739 |
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01:10:34,846 --> 01:10:37,406 |
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少用瓶裝水 我這個力行環保 |
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1740 |
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01:10:37,666 --> 01:10:41,246 |
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對對對 就是我們有提供我們有提供好不好 |
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1741 |
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01:10:41,506 --> 01:10:44,326 |
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不要誤會我 不要誤會我 |
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1742 |
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01:10:44,586 --> 01:10:47,646 |
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不是誤會我 誤會我好不好 |
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1743 |
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01:10:49,178 --> 01:10:52,178 |
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所以花一億就光一個廣告費花一億 |
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1744 |
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01:10:52,178 --> 01:10:53,178 |
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通路而已 |
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1745 |
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01:10:53,178 --> 01:10:54,178 |
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啊如果全鋪咧 |
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1746 |
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01:10:54,178 --> 01:10:57,178 |
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你有聽說過 |
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1747 |
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01:10:57,178 --> 01:10:59,178 |
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那時候的對手他花了大約多少錢 |
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1748 |
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01:10:59,178 --> 01:11:00,178 |
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大約就好 |
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1749 |
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01:11:00,178 --> 01:11:01,178 |
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不曉得 |
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1750 |
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01:11:01,178 --> 01:11:05,178 |
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我只知道說我報一億四他報一億三喔 奇怪 |
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1751 |
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01:11:05,178 --> 01:11:07,178 |
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最後在監察院我報一億四 |
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1752 |
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01:11:07,178 --> 01:11:09,178 |
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總會有一億四 他報一億三喔 |
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1753 |
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01:11:09,178 --> 01:11:12,178 |
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奇怪 怎麼這麼有可能 |
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1754 |
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01:11:12,178 --> 01:11:14,178 |
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哪有可能 |
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1755 |
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01:11:16,034 --> 01:11:18,454 |
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那你現在靠你們 你們三個總統嘛 |
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1756 |
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01:11:18,454 --> 01:11:21,134 |
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三個總統候選人 三個都要申報財產嘛 |
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1757 |
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01:11:21,134 --> 01:11:22,134 |
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你最有錢欸 |
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1758 |
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01:11:22,134 --> 01:11:24,234 |
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沒有啦 我現金 你好有錢喔 |
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1759 |
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01:11:24,234 --> 01:11:26,794 |
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現金比較 陳佩琪 我們兩個都醫生欸 |
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1760 |
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01:11:26,794 --> 01:11:28,294 |
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問題是為什麼 |
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1761 |
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01:11:28,294 --> 01:11:30,334 |
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你也知道這個數字有點詭異 |
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1762 |
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01:11:30,334 --> 01:11:32,574 |
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沒有啦 我跟你講 那都假的 |
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1763 |
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01:11:32,574 --> 01:11:34,374 |
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沒關係啦 我們就誠實申報 |
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1764 |
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01:11:34,374 --> 01:11:36,374 |
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誠實申報 OK |
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1765 |
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01:11:38,658 --> 01:11:39,158 |
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好 |
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1766 |
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01:11:39,398 --> 01:11:40,358 |
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我們今天喔 |
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1767 |
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01:11:40,358 --> 01:11:42,958 |
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我們今天真的是很開心邀到柯P來 |
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1768 |
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01:11:42,958 --> 01:11:44,658 |
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然後他今天也爆了很多料 |
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1769 |
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01:11:44,658 --> 01:11:45,258 |
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沒有啦 我有爆很多料 |
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1770 |
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01:11:45,258 --> 01:11:46,258 |
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我不知道新聞有 |
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1771 |
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01:11:46,258 --> 01:11:47,558 |
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你剛剛說法務部長 |
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1772 |
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01:11:47,958 --> 01:11:49,458 |
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黃國昌 喔 黃國昌沒問題的 |
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1773 |
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01:11:49,458 --> 01:11:50,658 |
|
明天新聞 |
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1774 |
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01:11:51,330 --> 01:11:53,330 |
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人家也不一定要做我的法務部長 |
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1775 |
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01:11:53,330 --> 01:11:55,330 |
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哈哈哈哈 |
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1776 |
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01:11:55,330 --> 01:11:57,330 |
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那你說聯合政府 |
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1777 |
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01:11:57,330 --> 01:11:59,330 |
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你從台北市就是聯合政府 |
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1778 |
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01:11:59,330 --> 01:12:01,330 |
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我們都知道 你當總統了之後 |
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1779 |
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01:12:01,330 --> 01:12:03,330 |
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你會各黨都挑菁英進來 |
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1780 |
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01:12:03,330 --> 01:12:05,330 |
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還是 |
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1781 |
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01:12:05,330 --> 01:12:07,330 |
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沒有 我們就是問他適合不適合 |
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1782 |
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01:12:07,330 --> 01:12:09,330 |
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不會看他的背景 |
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1783 |
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01:12:09,330 --> 01:12:11,058 |
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我跟你講喔 其實我跟你講喔 |
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1784 |
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01:12:11,058 --> 01:12:13,958 |
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我常常說喔 我們在看病人也沒問過 |
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1785 |
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01:12:13,958 --> 01:12:15,298 |
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欸你民進黨的國民黨的 |
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1786 |
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01:12:15,298 --> 01:12:18,058 |
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我說為什麼叫大家去走媽祖繞境就是這樣 |
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1787 |
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01:12:18,518 --> 01:12:19,898 |
|
你看媽祖繞境喔 |
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1788 |
|
01:12:20,398 --> 01:12:22,978 |
|
那是路邊的擺攤 他送東西給你 |
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1789 |
|
01:12:22,978 --> 01:12:24,178 |
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媽祖跟你結緣 |
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1790 |
|
01:12:24,518 --> 01:12:26,018 |
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他有問說 你民進黨的還國民黨 |
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1791 |
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01:12:26,018 --> 01:12:26,678 |
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沒有給你吃 |
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1792 |
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01:12:26,678 --> 01:12:28,178 |
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對啊 哪有看 沒有啊 |
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1793 |
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01:12:28,458 --> 01:12:31,178 |
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這種態度就好了 仇恨都是製造出來的 |
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1794 |
|
01:12:31,178 --> 01:12:32,258 |
|
所以你就是 |
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1795 |
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01:12:32,518 --> 01:12:34,658 |
|
人有本事 不管他哪一黨 |
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1796 |
|
01:12:34,658 --> 01:12:36,338 |
|
該當什麼部長就給他 |
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1797 |
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01:12:36,338 --> 01:12:40,258 |
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對啊 我跟你講 我講過 我以前民政局長是 |
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1798 |
|
01:12:40,798 --> 01:12:41,698 |
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民進黨的嘛 |
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1799 |
|
01:12:41,698 --> 01:12:42,198 |
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是 |
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1800 |
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01:12:42,198 --> 01:12:44,638 |
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那環保局長是趙少康的機要 |
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1801 |
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01:12:46,498 --> 01:12:47,298 |
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新黨的 |
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1802 |
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01:12:47,298 --> 01:12:48,198 |
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新黨的 |
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1803 |
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01:12:48,198 --> 01:12:50,958 |
|
所以說我的政府裡面 民進黨到新黨 |
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1804 |
|
01:12:50,958 --> 01:12:53,298 |
|
我只缺基進黨而已 |
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1805 |
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01:12:53,298 --> 01:12:53,798 |
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其他都沒有 |
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1806 |
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01:12:53,798 --> 01:12:54,798 |
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不行 |
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1807 |
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01:12:54,798 --> 01:12:57,598 |
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我只有沒有基進黨 其他什麼黨都有 |
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1808 |
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01:12:57,598 --> 01:12:58,398 |
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是 |
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1809 |
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01:12:58,398 --> 01:13:00,898 |
|
所以這次如果你選上了 你的也是 |
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1810 |
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01:13:01,398 --> 01:13:03,898 |
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也是都是混合型的 沒有啦 我給他用人 |
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1811 |
|
01:13:03,898 --> 01:13:05,798 |
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就是我只問他行不行嘛 |
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1812 |
|
01:13:05,798 --> 01:13:07,298 |
|
你怎麼問他說他哪一個黨 |
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1813 |
|
01:13:07,298 --> 01:13:08,298 |
|
那不是很奇怪嗎 |
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1814 |
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01:13:08,678 --> 01:13:10,018 |
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是 |
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1815 |
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01:13:10,718 --> 01:13:14,298 |
|
那你 那好 那今天節目的尾聲 |
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1816 |
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01:13:14,558 --> 01:13:16,098 |
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雖然我們今天已經超過時間了 |
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1817 |
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01:13:16,358 --> 01:13:19,678 |
|
你針對於現在有3萬5千人看你 你有什麼感想 |
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1818 |
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01:13:19,938 --> 01:13:21,478 |
|
沒有啦 謝謝大家 |
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1819 |
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01:13:22,118 --> 01:13:24,938 |
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館長的這個 |
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1820 |
|
01:13:25,198 --> 01:13:27,238 |
|
號召力強 |
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1821 |
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01:13:27,498 --> 01:13:30,058 |
|
不關我的事情 我平常就500人看而已 |
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1822 |
|
01:13:30,318 --> 01:13:32,878 |
|
我跟你講啦 那500人 |
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1823 |
|
01:13:33,118 --> 01:13:34,138 |
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是 |
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1824 |
|
01:13:34,398 --> 01:13:34,918 |
|
那 |
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1825 |
|
01:13:35,178 --> 01:13:38,238 |
|
那你有什麼話想要拉票一下 為什麼要投給柯文哲 |
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1826 |
|
01:13:38,498 --> 01:13:40,798 |
|
你現在這一段自己來好不好 你想要跟他 |
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1827 |
|
01:13:41,058 --> 01:13:41,838 |
|
10分鐘的時間 |
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1828 |
|
01:13:42,078 --> 01:13:43,118 |
|
你想要跟他講 |
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1829 |
|
01:13:43,358 --> 01:13:44,138 |
|
你 |
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1830 |
|
01:13:44,398 --> 01:13:46,178 |
|
需要什麼 你做什麼 |
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1831 |
|
01:13:46,438 --> 01:13:47,198 |
|
10分鐘 |
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1832 |
|
01:13:47,458 --> 01:13:49,758 |
|
來 我們鏡頭不要給我 |
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1833 |
|
01:13:49,758 --> 01:13:52,018 |
|
沒有啦 這是這樣啦 |
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1834 |
|
01:13:52,306 --> 01:13:55,126 |
|
有時候是這樣啦 反正就三個候選人嘛 |
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1835 |
|
01:13:55,126 --> 01:13:58,086 |
|
就選一個會比較好的 |
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1836 |
|
01:13:58,086 --> 01:14:00,086 |
|
我覺得有個好處是什麼 |
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1837 |
|
01:14:00,338 --> 01:14:02,838 |
|
至少我這個人比較理性務實啦 所以 |
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1838 |
|
01:14:02,838 --> 01:14:06,038 |
|
我要講一遍喔 兩岸關係絕對不是台灣海峽兩岸 |
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1839 |
|
01:14:06,038 --> 01:14:07,498 |
|
是太平洋兩岸 |
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1840 |
|
01:14:07,498 --> 01:14:09,298 |
|
所以我們要一個總統就是說 |
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1841 |
|
01:14:09,298 --> 01:14:13,898 |
|
你是選台灣總統 你不是選美國的州長 也不是選中國的省長 |
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1842 |
|
01:14:13,898 --> 01:14:16,978 |
|
所以你應該 你的邏輯應該是台灣的最大利益 |
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1843 |
|
01:14:16,978 --> 01:14:19,538 |
|
所以在中美之間你怎麼找到一個平衡點 |
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1844 |
|
01:14:19,538 --> 01:14:22,618 |
|
所以全部偏美國不對 太聽中國也不對 |
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1845 |
|
01:14:22,618 --> 01:14:24,398 |
|
你自己的想法嘛 |
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1846 |
|
01:14:24,398 --> 01:14:27,218 |
|
我覺得對啦 至少我相信 |
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1847 |
|
01:14:27,218 --> 01:14:30,618 |
|
我是一個可以跟中國美國都溝通的人 這是第一點 |
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1848 |
|
01:14:30,618 --> 01:14:33,778 |
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所以選我的好處 第一個 台海戰爭的危險就下降 |
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1849 |
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01:14:33,778 --> 01:14:36,098 |
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因為是兩邊都可以溝通 |
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1850 |
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01:14:36,098 --> 01:14:38,098 |
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另外一點喔 |
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1851 |
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01:14:38,098 --> 01:14:40,598 |
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因為從我聯合政府的這種態度 |
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1852 |
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01:14:40,598 --> 01:14:43,398 |
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至少國內政局會比較穩定 |
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1853 |
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01:14:43,398 --> 01:14:45,638 |
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我看有一次那個節目 |
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1854 |
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01:14:45,638 --> 01:14:48,418 |
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徐巧芯跟那個游淑慧還在說我好話 |
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1855 |
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01:14:48,418 --> 01:14:51,178 |
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因為他們當議員 你看我都從來沒有封殺他們 |
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1856 |
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01:14:51,178 --> 01:14:53,178 |
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講的有道理我都幫他做 |
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1857 |
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01:14:53,178 --> 01:14:56,898 |
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所以我要講說 台海戰爭下降 |
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1858 |
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01:14:56,898 --> 01:15:01,298 |
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危險啦 台灣會比較團結的國家 |
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1859 |
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01:15:01,298 --> 01:15:03,298 |
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再來 |
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1860 |
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01:15:03,378 --> 01:15:05,378 |
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整個一定政治比較乾淨 |
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1861 |
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01:15:05,378 --> 01:15:08,378 |
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清廉勤政愛鄉土 這個我們一定做得好 |
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1862 |
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01:15:08,786 --> 01:15:11,206 |
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比較努力啦 沒有那個奇奇怪怪的 |
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1863 |
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01:15:11,206 --> 01:15:13,686 |
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其實我跟你講 只要認真沒有私心 |
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1864 |
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01:15:14,166 --> 01:15:16,786 |
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政治不會差到哪裡去的 這我非常清楚 |
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1865 |
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01:15:16,786 --> 01:15:18,006 |
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所以選我的好處 |
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1866 |
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01:15:18,326 --> 01:15:20,786 |
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台灣會成為一個比較正常的國家 |
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1867 |
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01:15:20,786 --> 01:15:22,446 |
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什麼叫正常的國家 |
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1868 |
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01:15:22,446 --> 01:15:25,786 |
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政府是可信的嘛 司法是公平的嘛 |
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1869 |
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01:15:25,786 --> 01:15:27,986 |
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法律是要遵守的嘛 |
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1870 |
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01:15:27,986 --> 01:15:30,786 |
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公務員是服務人民的嘛 監獄是關有罪的人 |
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1871 |
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01:15:30,786 --> 01:15:31,786 |
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這樣就好了 |
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1872 |
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01:15:31,986 --> 01:15:34,486 |
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選我至少這五個條件比較容易 |
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1873 |
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01:15:34,486 --> 01:15:36,986 |
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這五個目標比較容易達到 就這樣 |
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1874 |
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01:15:36,986 --> 01:15:40,486 |
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常常這樣 to see to believe |
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1875 |
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01:15:41,298 --> 01:15:42,838 |
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我們決定一個人是 |
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1876 |
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01:15:42,838 --> 01:15:45,138 |
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他以前做什麼事現在看就知道了 |
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1877 |
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01:15:45,898 --> 01:15:47,958 |
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所以不用去 |
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1878 |
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01:15:48,458 --> 01:15:50,258 |
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至少我們有八年的成績嘛 |
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1879 |
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01:15:50,258 --> 01:15:52,558 |
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還有前面三十年當外科醫生 |
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1880 |
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01:15:52,558 --> 01:15:54,598 |
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當外科醫生的時候長什麼樣子 |
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1881 |
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01:15:54,858 --> 01:15:56,138 |
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當台北市長長什麼樣子 |
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1882 |
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01:15:56,398 --> 01:15:57,158 |
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至少我們 |
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1883 |
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01:15:57,418 --> 01:15:59,218 |
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未來可以變成 |
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1884 |
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01:15:59,978 --> 01:16:03,318 |
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人家比較可預期說這個人大概會怎樣 |
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1885 |
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01:16:05,098 --> 01:16:05,878 |
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大概就這樣 |
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1886 |
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01:16:06,802 --> 01:16:11,802 |
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好 今天非常謝謝我們主席 |
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1887 |
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01:16:11,802 --> 01:16:13,802 |
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那到時候 |
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1888 |
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01:16:13,922 --> 01:16:17,762 |
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接近 應該是接近選舉的尾聲的時候 |
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1889 |
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01:16:18,022 --> 01:16:21,342 |
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那時候很激烈嘛 那時候大家都要 因為現在你的主要政見 |
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1890 |
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01:16:21,602 --> 01:16:22,882 |
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全部都還沒擬出來嘛對不對 |
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1891 |
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01:16:23,142 --> 01:16:27,482 |
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這是他們會吹嘛 就是開支票嘛 一二要做 |
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1892 |
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01:16:27,742 --> 01:16:29,782 |
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台灣人每個人都賺大錢 |
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1893 |
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01:16:30,042 --> 01:16:31,582 |
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經濟然後 |
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1894 |
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01:16:31,842 --> 01:16:33,622 |
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零到一百歲國家養 |
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1895 |
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01:16:33,882 --> 01:16:35,682 |
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然後反正我不知道 |
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1896 |
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01:16:35,942 --> 01:16:41,062 |
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太多這種空頭支票 以後居住正義 住不用錢 住不用怕 |
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1897 |
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01:16:42,042 --> 01:16:44,082 |
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像這樣的一個 我說政見啦 |
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1898 |
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01:16:44,342 --> 01:16:45,362 |
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這些芭樂票 |
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1899 |
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01:16:45,622 --> 01:16:48,182 |
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你還沒有實際要的政見嘛 |
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1900 |
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01:16:48,442 --> 01:16:54,082 |
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有啦 政見我們都有啦 都寫好差不多 反正時間到就一個一個丟 |
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1901 |
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01:16:54,342 --> 01:16:57,402 |
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那希望到時候我們這個 我們到選舉前 |
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1902 |
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01:16:57,858 --> 01:17:00,418 |
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最後還可以邀請我們的主席來 |
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1903 |
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01:17:00,418 --> 01:17:01,438 |
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那最後今天 |
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1904 |
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01:17:01,698 --> 01:17:02,978 |
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館長還是跟大家講 |
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1905 |
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01:17:03,998 --> 01:17:05,798 |
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請看下方資訊欄 |
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1906 |
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01:17:07,034 --> 01:17:08,454 |
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那個匯款 |
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1907 |
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01:17:08,454 --> 01:17:10,354 |
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Yeah 我就是不要你那個匯款 |
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1908 |
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01:17:10,614 --> 01:17:12,134 |
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那個資訊 Yeah |
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1909 |
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01:17:12,394 --> 01:17:14,194 |
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OK 五百塊 |
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1910 |
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01:17:14,454 --> 01:17:15,214 |
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三百塊 |
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1911 |
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01:17:15,474 --> 01:17:16,494 |
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沒魚蝦也好 |
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1912 |
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01:17:16,754 --> 01:17:18,034 |
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患無沒患少 |
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1913 |
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01:17:18,294 --> 01:17:18,794 |
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好不好 |
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1914 |
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01:17:19,054 --> 01:17:19,814 |
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我都丟一百了 |
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1915 |
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01:17:20,074 --> 01:17:21,874 |
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患無沒患少 你了解我的意思嗎 |
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1916 |
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01:17:22,374 --> 01:17:23,654 |
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好不好 不然你要花一塊錢嘛 |
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1917 |
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01:17:24,174 --> 01:17:25,454 |
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好不好 參與感 |
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1918 |
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01:17:25,714 --> 01:17:29,814 |
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阿伯 跟大家拜託一下 求一下募款 |
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1919 |
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01:17:30,054 --> 01:17:31,334 |
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救救老殘窮 |
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1920 |
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01:17:31,494 --> 01:17:33,714 |
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沒有 沒有那麼慘啦 |
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1921 |
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01:17:33,714 --> 01:17:34,714 |
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是是是 |
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1922 |
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01:17:34,714 --> 01:17:36,714 |
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不是啦 我也覺得小額捐款啦 |
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1923 |
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01:17:36,714 --> 01:17:39,214 |
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我們就不用去搞一大堆什麼 |
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1924 |
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01:17:39,214 --> 01:17:41,214 |
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要去跟那財團募款 |
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1925 |
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01:17:41,214 --> 01:17:42,514 |
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對 他就 對不對 |
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1926 |
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01:17:42,514 --> 01:17:44,514 |
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跟財團募款就是給各位未來 |
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1927 |
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01:17:45,218 --> 01:17:48,038 |
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好不好 增加風險 |
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1928 |
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01:17:48,038 --> 01:17:50,598 |
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那我們今天謝謝我們的主席來 |
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1929 |
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01:17:50,838 --> 01:17:51,618 |
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也謝謝 |
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1930 |
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01:17:52,118 --> 01:17:53,918 |
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聊天室這麼多的朋友來看 |
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1931 |
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01:17:53,918 --> 01:17:56,738 |
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也謝謝你的捐款 當作三萬五千人都捐了 |
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1932 |
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01:17:56,998 --> 01:17:57,498 |
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好不好 |
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1933 |
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01:17:57,758 --> 01:17:59,038 |
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來 掰掰 謝謝 |