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(orchestra playing patriotic,
Romantic Russian-themed music)
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(music fades)
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♪ ♪
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Newsman:
The plot thickens
this morning,
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with US officials
telling ABC News
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that Russian President Putin
was directly involved
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in the hacking of the Democratic
National Committee.
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Julian Assange:
We have said repeatedly
over the last two months
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that our source
is not the Russian government.
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Hillary Clinton:
Vladimir Putin himself directed
the covert cyberattacks.
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-Bill O'Reilly:
Do you respect Putin?
-Trump: I do respect him.
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Bill O'Reilly:
Do you? Why? Putin's a killer.
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Trump: There are a lot
of killers. What, you think
our country's so innocent?
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-Hello.
-Stone: How are you?
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Mr. President.
Nice to see you again.
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I thought maybe
you could sit over there?
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-Okay.
-And I'll sit here,
and we'll see.
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Play it by ear
a little bit.
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And we'll improvise.
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No rules about this one.
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Yes!
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♪ ♪
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♪ ♪
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For over 40 years,
the United States led the West
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in the struggle
against Communism
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and the threat it posed
to our most precious values.
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This struggle shaped the lives
of all Americans.
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It forced all nations to live
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under the specter
of nuclear destruction.
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That confrontation is now over.
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(Putin speaking)
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Stone: I think a lot of
Western people don't know
much about you.
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We'd like to know
about your background,
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and where you came from.
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I know that you were born
in October 1952,
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after the war,
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that your mother
was a factory worker,
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and your father
had been in the war.
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And I know that you lived
in a collective apartment
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with other families
as you grew up.
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Doing what exactly?
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(Putin speaking)
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He was wounded
in the war, though?
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I heard he had a bit of
juvenile delinquency problems.
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He was a bit
of a wild child
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until he studied judo
at the age of 12.
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You, uh, graduated
from, uh, high school
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and I believe you went
directly to law school.
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That's the Russian system?
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And met
your first wife there?
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You last wife.
I mean, your only wife.
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And then you joined the KGB
right away in '75?
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1975. Yeah, you joined,
in Leningrad.
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Oh, you were s--
You had no choice?
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Stone:
And you had romanticized
of course this--
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There's the Soviet films
about the KGB and intelligence.
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You went to Dresden
in 1985 through 1990.
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But the first 10 years, uh,
you were mostly in Leningrad.
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Stone: East Germany
in 1985 to '90
was pretty dismal.
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(Putin speaking)
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Stone:
It was a strange time.
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Did you go back to Moscow?
Did you experience perestroika?
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But these
are Gorbachev's ideas,
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so you were influenced
by Gorbachev.
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Stone:
The Soviet Union collapsed
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and the Russian Federation
was formed with Yeltsin.
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(Putin speaking)
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Stone:
Yeah.
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Stone:
Yeah.
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You moved to Moscow in 1996.
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And you became the head of
the Federal Security Bureau
for 13 months.
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So, in that role,
you must have seen
what a mess this was.
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I gather, there was
a nightmare of chaos.
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Newsman: In October 1993,
Russia was on the brink
of civil war--
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with parliament deputies
on one side
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and Boris Yeltsin
and his supporters on the other.
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Yeltsin, who controlled
tank divisions,
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would give the order
to fire directly
at the parliament building
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with shells pounding the offices
of the Supreme Soviet chairman
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and the vice president
who sided with the deputies.
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Two days of street fighting
left hundreds dead and injured.
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The United States continues
to stand firm in its support
of President Yeltsin
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because he is Russia's
democratically elected leader.
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And in 1999,
you worked your way up
to acting prime minister.
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And Yeltsin
resigned in 2000.
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Just looking at, uh,
press conferences
and film of Mr. Yeltsin,
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it was clearly, uh,
alcohol, uh, disease.
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His brain seemed to be--
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The way he spoke,
and the way he...
he stared at the camera,
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the way he moved,
he looked like he was catatonic.
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(Putin speaking)
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(wheezing)
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So, here you are,
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many prime ministers
come and go,
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and all of a sudden,
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wow, you're
the acting prime minister.
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(chuckles)
Now what?
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You refused? Why is that?
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Change his life,
in what way?
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I mean, he's already been
a bureaucrat
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in the government
for a long time.
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Stone:
Oh, really?
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What would you do?
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Yeah, but did
you see his--
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Did he see his children
during this period
and his wife?
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And, uh, did you wake up
at four in the morning?
Did you ever sleep?
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Really?
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-No nightmares?
-(speaks Russian)
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This is a discipline
from the from military,
from your KGB experience?
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Stone: Your theory of life,
they say is summed up
in the philosophy of judo?
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(Putin speaks)
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Stone:
Not too complicated.
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You have a lot
of discipline, sir.
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Stone:
Okay. Well, then,
we're in 2000 now.
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You've become president.
The vote was 53 percent.
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You're not expected to last.
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You're president of a country
which is in a dark time.
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Chechenya War is going on,
it looks very bad.
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One side says that it is
fighting against terrorism,
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the other side says it is
fighting for independence.
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And all the while,
bodies line the street
amid the rubble of war.
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This is not the Middle East.
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This is the break-way
Russian Republic of Chechnya,
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little mentioned,
but no less horrifying.
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(Putin speaking)
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You're credited with, uh,
doing many fine things
in your first term.
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You built up industries,
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electronics, engineering,
petrochemical, agriculture.
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You raised the GDP,
you raised the income.
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You reformed the army.
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(Stone speaking)
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The privatization
was stopped.
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A real son of Russia.
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(translator speaking)
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The oligarchs took--
underestimated him.
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And when he became president,
they didn't think he would last.
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He cut the poverty rate
by two-thirds.
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Respect for the old people,
pensions.
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In 2000, 700 rubles
was the average income,
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in 2012, 29,000 rubles.
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Stone:
Immensely popular in 2004,
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he's reelected
with 70 percent of the vote.
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And 2008, because, uh,
two terms are only allowed,
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you become
the prime minister.
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Well, you worked hard when
you were prime minister too.
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And in 2012,
you run for president,
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and you win by 63 percent?
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Yeah, you're right.
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Three times president.
Five assassination attempts,
I'm told.
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Not as much as Castro,
who I've interviewed.
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I think he must've had 50,
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but, uh, there's
a legitimate five
I've heard about.
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Stone: In other words,
you trust your security,
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and they've done
a great job.
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(Putin speaks)
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Stone: Because, always,
the first mode of assassination,
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you try to get inside
the security of the...
of the president.
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(chuckles)
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What is your fate, sir?
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Have you--
Do you know?
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To die in bed, maybe.
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Stone:
You've had a tough day.
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It's been a while.
Nice to see you.
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(translating)
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I think, uh, last June
was the, uh...
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was the last time
I saw you.
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-(translator speaking)
-(Putin speaks Russian)
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-You miss me?
-(translates)
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(Stone laughs)
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Stone:
I'm sure you cried
about other things.
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Uh, excuse me,
I just feel asleep upstairs.
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Uh, I caught up
on my jet lag.
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How was your day?
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Holy cow! Well, you didn't have
a cabinet meeting then, did you?
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There was--
I'm told there was
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a national security council
kind of meeting?
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I see.
A crisis or anything?
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Well, I'm just asking,
'cause I'm curious,
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'cause we're normally scheduled
at 3:00 p.m.,
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and it's six hours
and forty minutes later.
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No, but I'm saying
there's always--
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there are crises
that come up?
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There are things
that aren't scheduled?
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Uh, that goes
to my bigger question,
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'cause my producer
who's here, Fernando,
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we were talking
about you earlier,
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and he said,
you are an excellent CEO,
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uh, Chief Executive Officer
of a company--
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Russia is your company.
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You kick the tires,
you deal with these problems,
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and you try to solve them
on the spot.
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Let's say the problem is this,
and you go into the detail here,
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and the detail
sometimes gets smaller,
and you do a micro-detail,
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and the micro-detail
has another micro-detail,
and before you know it,
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you've lost the forest
for the trees, as they say.
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That can be very irritating.
You could probably
go to bed at night,
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not having solved
some of these things,
and it really drives you nuts.
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He says he needs
to complete something?
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Which bring us to the--
a large problem,
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which is he's been doing this
as a president, prime minister,
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and now president again,
for 15 years.
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I'm sure he knows
the story of Ronald Reagan,
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one of the most admired
presidents-- by conservatives--
in my country.
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He was famous
for sticking to his schedule,
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which required him,
on most nights, to come home,
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in the White House
by six o'clock,
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and have an early supper
and watch TV with his wife.
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That is my point,
is that he was a smiley man.
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He was a great greeter
and meeter.
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He was very happy
eating jelly beans
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and telling a good joke.
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Though Reagan was a big believer
in delegating authority,
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to everyone around him.
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I'm just trying to make
that example because...
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it's another way of living.
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Well, it seems to me,
you're doing it the hard way.
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Well, Reagan would disagree.
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He would say
the country America was broke,
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and that
it needed to be fixed,
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and it was morning
in America again,
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and it was his job to bring
in positive energy to America.
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And he did a pretty good job
of making that feeling.
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It's a feeling.
It's an illusion.
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(laughter)
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Well, uh, actually,
some people would argue
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that Reagan made America
more broke
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because the debt
grew enormously.
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I forgot.
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Russia's one, right?
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Eighteen trillion, US?
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(Putin speaks)
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And about one trillion, Russia.
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The food prices went up
20 percent in 2015,
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and, uh, inflation
was running at 13 percent.
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-Translator: 12.9 percent
to be more precise.
-Okay. Okay.
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What is the Russian
Central Bank about?
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What is that doing?
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I thought you had
nothing outstanding.
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You had no debts
to the IMF, I'm told.
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Aah, you know,
you still talk as if the IMF is
a partner of Russia's.
241
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You act as if Wall Street
wants Russia to succeed,
242
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and I question that.
243
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And I would ask you,
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is Wall Street actively working
to destroy the Russian economy,
245
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in the interest
of the United States?
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♪ ♪
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(Putin speaks)
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Translator: That is
the throne of the tzar
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-and the throne
for the tzarina...
-Stone: Yeah.
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-...and also for
the dowager empress.
-Stone: Yeah.
251
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You know, they say
that you want to be tzar.
252
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This is, uh, you know,
that you're the new tzar.
253
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They put magazine covers
out there--
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You laugh, right?
255
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-Stone: Yeah.
-(Putin laughs)
256
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But you allowed, uh,
Charlie Rose to make a point
257
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when he said,
you have all the power,
258
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you can do what you want.
259
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He made that very clear,
and then--
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Because that's the way
many Americans think,
261
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that there's
no system here.
262
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And, uh, you
didn't correct him.
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You, you--
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Excuse,
excuse me.
265
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Well, then you should
shoot the interpreter too--
266
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That's why
we say that.
267
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Was it you?
Yeah...
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I don't think he understood
the question that Rose
was leading him to.
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I mean, in other words,
in English, it sounded
like he wants the tzar,
270
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and he took it for granted
that he was tzar.
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Some have called you a tzar.
272
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(speaking Russian)
273
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Translator: So what? You know,
people call me different names.
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Well, does the name fit?
275
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Do you ever lose it?
(chuckles)
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He says,
you're so irrational
277
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every time you're
asked a question,
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do you ever like have a day,
like a bad day? And...
279
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(translator speaking)
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(sighs)
281
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Is that right?
282
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(translating)
283
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(laughs)
284
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There you go.
Now you're going to insult
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50 percent
of the American public.
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The way
they're gonna take it.
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I know.
288
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So a woman to you is a--
tends to be more emotional?
289
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You don't want to have
your emotions ever cut in
and control your reasoning?
290
00:32:52,542 --> 00:32:54,875
(translating)
291
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,000
♪ ♪
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Newsman:
Question to, uh,
President Bush.
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Is this a man
that Americans can trust?
294
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GW Bush:
Uh, I'll answer
the question.
295
00:33:20,834 --> 00:33:22,333
I looked the man
in the eye.
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I found him to be
very straightforward
and trustworthy.
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Now, we had
a very good dialogue.
298
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I was able to, uh...
get a sense of his soul.
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Stone:
What did you sense
when he was saying that?
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And on 9/11,
you were one of the--
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you were one
of the first to call him
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and offer him condolences
and cooperation.
303
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When President Bush,
invaded Afghanistan, uh,
304
00:34:16,750 --> 00:34:20,083
President Putin cooperated
with the, uh, invasion
305
00:34:20,083 --> 00:34:23,709
and set up bases
in the Caucasus and Eurasia,
306
00:34:23,709 --> 00:34:27,333
in order for the Americans
to supply line Afghanistan.
307
00:34:52,834 --> 00:34:55,166
And continued to do so
until recently.
308
00:35:13,333 --> 00:35:16,709
Stone: Russia has
a long history in Afghanistan.
309
00:35:16,709 --> 00:35:20,375
So how come you guys
did not figure out
where Bin Laden was,
310
00:35:20,375 --> 00:35:23,834
and what was really happening
with Bin Laden?
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Not just where he was,
but...
312
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how weak the Al Qaeda base was
at this point in Afghanistan.
313
00:36:01,625 --> 00:36:03,250
(translating)
314
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Bill Casey, director of the CIA
under Ronald Reagan,
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made it a special effort
316
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to excite the Muslims
317
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in the Caucasus in Central Asia
against the Soviet Union.
318
00:36:25,709 --> 00:36:29,917
His plan was bigger
than just to defeat
the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.
319
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His plan was
basically regime change
in the Soviet Union.
320
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,917
(translator speaking)
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♪ ♪
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♪ ♪
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Stone: In his mind,
what was the most dangerous
moment in the Chechen Wars?
324
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The first one,
the second one? What years?
325
00:38:41,375 --> 00:38:44,041
Stone:
The US support was covert.
326
00:38:44,041 --> 00:38:46,959
You say you have evidence
that they were supporting
the Chechens.
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00:38:46,959 --> 00:38:47,417
(Putin speaks)
328
00:38:56,166 --> 00:39:00,834
Zbigniew Brzezinski: I think
the administration has adopted
a hands-off attitude,
329
00:39:00,834 --> 00:39:03,500
repeating like a mantra
that this is an internal
Russian affair,
330
00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:08,000
which in effect legitimated
the Russian action.
331
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,583
And then on top of it,
senior administration spokesmen
332
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have engaged in a vilification
of the Chechens.
333
00:40:26,834 --> 00:40:31,083
And, uh, all this
while they're fighting the war
against terror in Afghanistan?
334
00:40:32,333 --> 00:40:36,917
It seems like
contradictory behavior,
and strange behavior.
335
00:40:42,542 --> 00:40:45,542
I guess the letter
is top secret, so, it's not
available for viewing?
336
00:40:54,375 --> 00:40:55,834
(laughs)
337
00:40:57,583 --> 00:40:58,542
Bill Clinton:
Today we welcome
338
00:40:58,542 --> 00:41:02,542
Hungary, Poland,
the Czech Republic,
339
00:41:02,542 --> 00:41:04,959
finally erasing
the boundary line the Cold War
340
00:41:04,959 --> 00:41:08,458
artificially imposed
on the continent of Europe,
341
00:41:08,458 --> 00:41:12,000
strengthening an alliance
that now clearly
342
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,458
is better preserved
to keep the peace
343
00:41:14,458 --> 00:41:17,959
and preserve our security
into the 21st century.
344
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Our goal is to help
to build a Europe
345
00:41:21,458 --> 00:41:24,834
that is undivided, free,
346
00:41:24,834 --> 00:41:29,000
democratic, at peace,
and secure.
347
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,959
GW Bush:
Today we proudly welcome
348
00:41:31,959 --> 00:41:34,083
Bulgaria...
349
00:41:34,083 --> 00:41:35,792
(scattered cheers)
350
00:41:35,792 --> 00:41:37,208
...Estonia...
351
00:41:37,208 --> 00:41:38,709
(cheering)
352
00:41:38,709 --> 00:41:39,875
...Latvia...
353
00:41:39,875 --> 00:41:40,417
(cheering)
354
00:41:40,417 --> 00:41:42,125
...Lithuania...
355
00:41:42,125 --> 00:41:44,458
(cheering)
356
00:41:44,458 --> 00:41:46,166
-...Romania...
-(cheering)
357
00:41:46,166 --> 00:41:48,041
-...Slovakia...
-(cheering)
358
00:41:48,041 --> 00:41:48,792
and Slovenia.
359
00:41:51,834 --> 00:41:52,875
We welcome them into the ranks
360
00:41:52,875 --> 00:41:55,959
of the North Atlantic
Treaty Organization.
361
00:41:55,959 --> 00:41:57,583
(applause)
362
00:42:01,125 --> 00:42:02,542
This is a special moment
363
00:42:02,542 --> 00:42:06,750
in the hopeful story
of human liberty,
364
00:42:06,750 --> 00:42:10,291
as America formally declares
its support for Albania
365
00:42:10,291 --> 00:42:11,834
and Croatia's entry into NATO.
366
00:42:14,375 --> 00:42:16,000
Stone: What I've heard
from Mr. Gorbachev
367
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,458
as well as American officials,
including James Baker,
368
00:42:19,458 --> 00:42:22,500
there was a, a deal
with the Soviet Union
369
00:42:22,500 --> 00:42:23,709
not to expand
NATO eastward.
370
00:42:56,375 --> 00:42:58,333
Stone: So this was
a clear violation.
371
00:43:14,792 --> 00:43:15,875
(Putin speaking)
372
00:43:31,083 --> 00:43:34,583
And right now the Warsaw Treaty
has faded into oblivion.
373
00:43:34,583 --> 00:43:36,625
There is no Soviet Union.
374
00:46:51,458 --> 00:46:53,709
Under the rules of NATO,
I believe you'd have to share
375
00:46:53,709 --> 00:46:56,000
all your nuclear information
with the United States.
376
00:47:14,959 --> 00:47:16,083
Yeah. Right.
377
00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:31,208
Right.
378
00:47:49,208 --> 00:47:52,333
The old Soviets
were always very realistic
about American policy.
379
00:47:52,333 --> 00:47:54,542
They always tried
to understand the intentions
of the Americans.
380
00:47:54,542 --> 00:47:59,583
I don't know if those
think tanks still exist here.
I would imagine they do,
381
00:47:59,583 --> 00:48:02,709
that Mr. Putin
gets very accurate
assessments about
382
00:48:02,709 --> 00:48:04,166
what United States'
intentions are.
383
00:48:48,834 --> 00:48:51,417
Stone:
Has this ever stopped?
384
00:48:51,417 --> 00:48:54,792
Has this attitude
of the US ever stopped,
385
00:48:54,792 --> 00:48:56,250
that they had
an enemy in Russia?
386
00:48:56,250 --> 00:49:00,917
Whether it was Communism
or whether it was Putinism
387
00:49:00,917 --> 00:49:03,083
or whether it was any form,
it was just the concept
of an enemy.
388
00:50:18,500 --> 00:50:20,041
Stone:
It raises the question of,
389
00:50:20,041 --> 00:50:23,041
you know, the broader question,
of what is the US policy?
390
00:50:23,041 --> 00:50:23,750
What is its strategy
in the world?
391
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:25,834
In the whole world?
392
00:50:37,333 --> 00:50:42,125
Well, uh, I can state it
for you, and you can argue
with me.
393
00:50:42,125 --> 00:50:44,417
That's one thing,
I could say I think
394
00:50:44,417 --> 00:50:46,917
or many learned people think
that US strategy
395
00:50:46,917 --> 00:50:50,750
right now is to destroy
the Russian economy,
396
00:50:50,750 --> 00:50:53,542
bring it back
to 1990s' levels.
397
00:50:53,542 --> 00:50:56,709
And change the leadership
of Russia.
398
00:50:56,709 --> 00:51:00,125
Make a new ally out of Russia
for the United States,
399
00:51:00,125 --> 00:51:04,542
and basically,
dominate Russia,
as they once did.
400
00:51:04,542 --> 00:51:07,500
And perhaps did not--
they feel they did not go
far enough
401
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:10,333
and take your nuclear arsenal
away from Russia.
402
00:51:51,250 --> 00:51:55,542
I understand that Russia
will not give up.
403
00:51:55,542 --> 00:51:57,917
They will go to the end
on this economy.
Under Stalin,
404
00:51:57,917 --> 00:52:00,458
they gave their jewelry.
405
00:52:00,458 --> 00:52:02,917
They gave their
personal possessions
down to their last dollar
406
00:52:02,917 --> 00:52:05,375
to support the government
against the Nazis.
407
00:53:28,834 --> 00:53:31,375
Stone:
We have the US elections
in this year,
408
00:53:31,375 --> 00:53:33,625
and none of these issues,
409
00:53:33,625 --> 00:53:36,750
uh, the environment,
fixing our alliances
410
00:53:36,750 --> 00:53:38,625
has even been discussed
one time.
411
00:53:38,625 --> 00:53:42,208
Everything in
the election rhetoric has been
412
00:53:42,208 --> 00:53:45,750
get tough, be tougher,
build up our military again,
413
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:48,417
and in addition to that--
414
00:53:48,417 --> 00:53:51,417
And that goes for both sides,
that includes Hillary Clinton,
415
00:53:51,417 --> 00:53:56,834
who's most definitely become
a neoconservative, a hawk,
416
00:53:56,834 --> 00:53:58,500
strong policies
against Russia.
417
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:01,458
She was certainly for
the Syrian intervention,
and so forth.
418
00:54:01,458 --> 00:54:05,500
And we have to send
a very clear message to Putin
419
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:07,875
that this kind of belligerence,
420
00:54:07,875 --> 00:54:10,166
this kind of testing
of boundaries
421
00:54:10,166 --> 00:54:12,375
will have to be responded to.
422
00:54:12,375 --> 00:54:16,125
In addition to that,
the Pentagon has
announced recently,
423
00:54:16,125 --> 00:54:20,917
this new general has announced
that Russia is the number one
threat to the United States.
424
00:54:20,917 --> 00:54:24,417
He's been very forceful
in those statements.
425
00:54:24,417 --> 00:54:28,291
If you want to talk about
a nation that could pose
426
00:54:28,291 --> 00:54:29,166
an existential threat
to the United States,
427
00:54:29,166 --> 00:54:30,667
I'd have to point to Russia.
428
00:54:30,667 --> 00:54:33,750
If you look at their behavior,
it's nothing short of alarming.
429
00:55:19,041 --> 00:55:22,542
♪ ♪
430
00:55:31,125 --> 00:55:34,625
(speaking Russian)
431
00:55:40,709 --> 00:55:42,208
♪ ♪
432
00:55:48,375 --> 00:55:53,375
(triumphant,
patriotic music playing)
433
00:55:55,083 --> 00:55:58,041
(Putin speaking)
434
00:56:26,875 --> 00:56:28,667
(Stone speaking)
435
00:56:32,375 --> 00:56:36,250
♪ ♪
436
00:56:42,583 --> 00:56:44,208
(Stone speaking)
437
00:56:54,917 --> 00:56:57,291
(Putin speaking)
438
00:57:14,417 --> 00:57:14,834
Do you ever see him?
439
00:57:14,834 --> 00:57:16,917
Yeah.
440
00:57:20,041 --> 00:57:21,667
(Stone speaking)
441
00:57:32,583 --> 00:57:34,583
(translator speaking)
442
00:57:35,834 --> 00:57:37,750
(Stone speaking)
443
00:57:41,417 --> 00:57:45,375
(triumphant, patriotic
music continuing)
444
00:57:45,375 --> 00:57:47,875
♪ ♪
445
00:57:51,583 --> 00:57:53,875
(patriotic music ends)
446
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,583
♪ ♪
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