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(orchestra playing patriotic,
Romantic Russian-themed music)

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(music fades)

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♪ ♪

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Newsman:
 The plot thickens
 this morning,

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with US officials
 telling ABC News

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that Russian President Putin
 was directly involved

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in the hacking of the Democratic
 National Committee.

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Julian Assange:
 We have said repeatedly
 over the last two months

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that our source
 is not the Russian government.

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Hillary Clinton:
 Vladimir Putin himself directed
 the covert cyberattacks.

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-Bill O'Reilly:
 Do you respect Putin?
-Trump: I do respect him.

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Bill O'Reilly:
 Do you? Why? Putin's a killer.

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Trump: There are a lot
 of killers. What, you think
 our country's so innocent?

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-Hello.
-Stone: How are you?

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Mr. President.
Nice to see you again.

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I thought maybe
you could sit over there?

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-Okay.
-And I'll sit here,
and we'll see.

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Play it by ear
a little bit.

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And we'll improvise.

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No rules about this one.

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Yes!

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♪ ♪

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♪ ♪

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For over 40 years,
the United States led the West

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in the struggle
against Communism

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and the threat it posed
 to our most precious values.

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This struggle shaped the lives
 of all Americans.

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It forced all nations to live

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under the specter
 of nuclear destruction.

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That confrontation is now over.

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(Putin speaking)

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Stone: I think a lot of
Western people don't know
much about you.

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We'd like to know
about your background,

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and where you came from.

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I know that you were born
in October 1952,

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after the war,

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that your mother
was a factory worker,

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and your father
 had been in the war.

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And I know that you lived
in a collective apartment

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with other families
as you grew up.

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Doing what exactly?

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(Putin speaking)

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He was wounded
in the war, though?

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I heard he had a bit of
juvenile delinquency problems.

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He was a bit
of a wild child

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until he studied judo
 at the age of 12.

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You, uh, graduated
from, uh, high school

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and I believe you went
directly to law school.

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That's the Russian system?

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And met
your first wife there?

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You last wife.
I mean, your only wife.

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And then you joined the KGB
right away in '75?

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1975. Yeah, you joined,
in Leningrad.

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Oh, you were s--
You had no choice?

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Stone:
 And you had romanticized
 of course this--

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There's the Soviet films
 about the KGB and intelligence.

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You went to Dresden
in 1985 through 1990.

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But the first 10 years, uh,
you were mostly in Leningrad.

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Stone: East Germany
 in 1985 to '90
 was pretty dismal.

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(Putin speaking)

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Stone:
It was a strange time.

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Did you go back to Moscow?
Did you experience perestroika?

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But these
are Gorbachev's ideas,

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so you were influenced
by Gorbachev.

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Stone:
 The Soviet Union collapsed

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and the Russian Federation
 was formed with Yeltsin.

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(Putin speaking)

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Stone:
Yeah.

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Stone:
 Yeah.

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You moved to Moscow in 1996.

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And you became the head of
the Federal Security Bureau
for 13 months.

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So, in that role,
you must have seen
what a mess this was.

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I gather, there was
a nightmare of chaos.

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Newsman: In October 1993,
 Russia was on the brink
 of civil war--

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with parliament deputies
 on one side

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and Boris Yeltsin
 and his supporters on the other.

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Yeltsin, who controlled
 tank divisions,

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would give the order
 to fire directly
 at the parliament building

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with shells pounding the offices
 of the Supreme Soviet chairman

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and the vice president
 who sided with the deputies.

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Two days of street fighting
 left hundreds dead and injured.

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The United States continues
to stand firm in its support
of President Yeltsin

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because he is Russia's
democratically elected leader.

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And in 1999,
you worked your way up
to acting prime minister.

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And Yeltsin
resigned in 2000.

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Just looking at, uh,
 press conferences
 and film of Mr. Yeltsin,

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it was clearly, uh,
 alcohol, uh, disease.

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His brain seemed to be--

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The way he spoke,
 and the way he...
 he stared at the camera,

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the way he moved,
 he looked like he was catatonic.

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(Putin speaking)

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(wheezing)

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So, here you are,

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many prime ministers
come and go,

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and all of a sudden,

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wow, you're
the acting prime minister.

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(chuckles)
Now what?

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You refused? Why is that?

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Change his life,
in what way?

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I mean, he's already been
a bureaucrat

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in the government
for a long time.

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Stone:
Oh, really?

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What would you do?

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Yeah, but did
you see his--

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Did he see his children
 during this period
 and his wife?

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And, uh, did you wake up
at four in the morning?
Did you ever sleep?

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Really?

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-No nightmares?
-(speaks Russian)

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This is a discipline
from the from military,
from your KGB experience?

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Stone: Your theory of life,
 they say is summed up
 in the philosophy of judo?

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(Putin speaks)

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Stone:
Not too complicated.

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You have a lot
of discipline, sir.

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Stone:
 Okay. Well, then,
 we're in 2000 now.

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You've become president.
 The vote was 53 percent.

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You're not expected to last.

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You're president of a country
which is in a dark time.

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Chechenya War is going on,
it looks very bad.

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One side says that it is
fighting against terrorism,

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the other side says it is
 fighting for independence.

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And all the while,
 bodies line the street
 amid the rubble of war.

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This is not the Middle East.

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This is the break-way
Russian Republic of Chechnya,

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little mentioned,
but no less horrifying.

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(Putin speaking)

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You're credited with, uh,
doing many fine things
in your first term.

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You built up industries,

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electronics, engineering,
 petrochemical, agriculture.

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You raised the GDP,
you raised the income.

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You reformed the army.

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(Stone speaking)

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The privatization
was stopped.

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A real son of Russia.

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(translator speaking)

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The oligarchs took--
underestimated him.

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And when he became president,
they didn't think he would last.

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He cut the poverty rate
by two-thirds.

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Respect for the old people,
pensions.

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In 2000, 700 rubles
was the average income,

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in 2012, 29,000 rubles.

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Stone:
 Immensely popular in 2004,

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he's reelected
 with 70 percent of the vote.

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And 2008, because, uh,
 two terms are only allowed,

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you become
the prime minister.

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Well, you worked hard when
you were prime minister too.

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And in 2012,
you run for president,

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and you win by 63 percent?

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Yeah, you're right.

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Three times president.
Five assassination attempts,
I'm told.

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Not as much as Castro,
who I've interviewed.

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I think he must've had 50,

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but, uh, there's
a legitimate five
I've heard about.

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Stone: In other words,
 you trust your security,

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and they've done
 a great job.

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(Putin speaks)

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Stone: Because, always,
 the first mode of assassination,

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you try to get inside
the security of the...
of the president.

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(chuckles)

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What is your fate, sir?

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Have you--
Do you know?

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To die in bed, maybe.

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Stone:
You've had a tough day.

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It's been a while.
Nice to see you.

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(translating)

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I think, uh, last June
was the, uh...

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was the last time
I saw you.

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-(translator speaking)
-(Putin speaks Russian)

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-You miss me?
-(translates)

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(Stone laughs)

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Stone:
I'm sure you cried
about other things.

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Uh, excuse me,
I just feel asleep upstairs.

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Uh, I caught up
on my jet lag.

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How was your day?

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Holy cow! Well, you didn't have
a cabinet meeting then, did you?

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There was--
I'm told there was

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a national security council
kind of meeting?

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I see.
A crisis or anything?

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Well, I'm just asking,
'cause I'm curious,

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'cause we're normally scheduled
at 3:00 p.m.,

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and it's six hours
and forty minutes later.

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No, but I'm saying
there's always--

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there are crises
that come up?

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There are things
that aren't scheduled?

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Uh, that goes
to my bigger question,

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'cause my producer
who's here, Fernando,

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we were talking
about you earlier,

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and he said,
you are an excellent CEO,

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uh, Chief Executive Officer
of a company--

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Russia is your company.

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You kick the tires,
you deal with these problems,

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and you try to solve them
on the spot.

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Let's say the problem is this,
and you go into the detail here,

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and the detail
sometimes gets smaller,
and you do a micro-detail,

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and the micro-detail
has another micro-detail,
and before you know it,

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you've lost the forest
for the trees, as they say.

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That can be very irritating.
You could probably
go to bed at night,

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not having solved
some of these things,
and it really drives you nuts.

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He says he needs
to complete something?

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Which bring us to the--
a large problem,

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which is he's been doing this
as a president, prime minister,

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and now president again,
for 15 years.

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I'm sure he knows
the story of Ronald Reagan,

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one of the most admired
presidents-- by conservatives--
in my country.

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He was famous
 for sticking to his schedule,

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which required him,
 on most nights, to come home,

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in the White House
 by six o'clock,

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and have an early supper
 and watch TV with his wife.

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That is my point,
is that he was a smiley man.

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He was a great greeter
 and meeter.

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He was very happy
 eating jelly beans

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and telling a good joke.

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Though Reagan was a big believer
in delegating authority,

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to everyone around him.

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I'm just trying to make
that example because...

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it's another way of living.

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Well, it seems to me,
you're doing it the hard way.

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Well, Reagan would disagree.

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He would say
the country America was broke,

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and that
 it needed to be fixed,

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and it was morning
 in America again,

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and it was his job to bring
in positive energy to America.

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And he did a pretty good job
of making that feeling.

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It's a feeling.
 It's an illusion.

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(laughter)

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Well, uh, actually,
some people would argue

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that Reagan made America
more broke

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because the debt
grew enormously.

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I forgot.

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Russia's one, right?

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Eighteen trillion, US?

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(Putin speaks)

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And about one trillion, Russia.

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The food prices went up
20 percent in 2015,

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and, uh, inflation
was running at 13 percent.

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-Translator: 12.9 percent
to be more precise.
-Okay. Okay.

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What is the Russian
Central Bank about?

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What is that doing?

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I thought you had
nothing outstanding.

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You had no debts
to the IMF, I'm told.

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Aah, you know,
you still talk as if the IMF is
a partner of Russia's.

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You act as if Wall Street
wants Russia to succeed,

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and I question that.

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And I would ask you,

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is Wall Street actively working
to destroy the Russian economy,

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in the interest
of the United States?

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(Putin speaks)

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Translator: That is
the throne of the tzar

249
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-and the throne
for the tzarina...
-Stone: Yeah.

250
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-...and also for
the dowager empress.
-Stone: Yeah.

251
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You know, they say
that you want to be tzar.

252
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This is, uh, you know,
that you're the new tzar.

253
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They put magazine covers
out there--

254
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You laugh, right?

255
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-Stone: Yeah.
-(Putin laughs)

256
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But you allowed, uh,
Charlie Rose to make a point

257
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when he said,
you have all the power,

258
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you can do what you want.

259
00:31:09,667 --> 00:31:11,500
He made that very clear,
 and then--

260
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Because that's the way
many Americans think,

261
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that there's
no system here.

262
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And, uh, you
didn't correct him.

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You, you--

264
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Excuse,
excuse me.

265
00:31:28,458 --> 00:31:30,208
Well, then you should
shoot the interpreter too--

266
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That's why
we say that.

267
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Was it you?
Yeah...

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I don't think he understood
the question that Rose
was leading him to.

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I mean, in other words,
in English, it sounded
like he wants the tzar,

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and he took it for granted
that he was tzar.

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Some have called you a tzar.

272
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(speaking Russian)

273
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:52,875
Translator: So what? You know,
people call me different names.

274
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Well, does the name fit?

275
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Do you ever lose it?
(chuckles)

276
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He says,
you're so irrational

277
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every time you're
asked a question,

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do you ever like have a day,
like a bad day? And...

279
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(translator speaking)

280
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(sighs)

281
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Is that right?

282
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(translating)

283
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(laughs)

284
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There you go.
Now you're going to insult

285
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50 percent
of the American public.

286
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The way
they're gonna take it.

287
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I know.

288
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So a woman to you is a--
tends to be more emotional?

289
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You don't want to have
your emotions ever cut in
and control your reasoning?

290
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(translating)

291
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,000
♪ ♪

292
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Newsman:
 Question to, uh,
 President Bush.

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Is this a man
that Americans can trust?

294
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GW Bush:
Uh, I'll answer
the question.

295
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I looked the man
in the eye.

296
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I found him to be
very straightforward
and trustworthy.

297
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Now, we had
a very good dialogue.

298
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I was able to, uh...
get a sense of his soul.

299
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Stone:
 What did you sense
 when he was saying that?

300
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And on 9/11,
you were one of the--

301
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you were one
of the first to call him

302
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and offer him condolences
and cooperation.

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When President Bush,
invaded Afghanistan, uh,

304
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President Putin cooperated
with the, uh, invasion

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and set up bases
 in the Caucasus and Eurasia,

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in order for the Americans
to supply line Afghanistan.

307
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And continued to do so
until recently.

308
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Stone: Russia has
 a long history in Afghanistan.

309
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So how come you guys
did not figure out
where Bin Laden was,

310
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and what was really happening
with Bin Laden?

311
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Not just where he was,
but...

312
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how weak the Al Qaeda base was
at this point in Afghanistan.

313
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(translating)

314
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Bill Casey, director of the CIA
under Ronald Reagan,

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made it a special effort

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to excite the Muslims

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in the Caucasus in Central Asia
 against the Soviet Union.

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His plan was bigger
 than just to defeat
 the Soviet Union in Afghanistan.

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His plan was
basically regime change
in the Soviet Union.

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(translator speaking)

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♪ ♪

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♪ ♪

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Stone: In his mind,
 what was the most dangerous
 moment in the Chechen Wars?

324
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The first one,
 the second one? What years?

325
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Stone:
 The US support was covert.

326
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You say you have evidence
 that they were supporting
 the Chechens.

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(Putin speaks)

328
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Zbigniew Brzezinski: I think
 the administration has adopted
 a hands-off attitude,

329
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repeating like a mantra
 that this is an internal
 Russian affair,

330
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which in effect legitimated
the Russian action.

331
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And then on top of it,
senior administration spokesmen

332
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have engaged in a vilification
of the Chechens.

333
00:40:26,834 --> 00:40:31,083
And, uh, all this
while they're fighting the war
against terror in Afghanistan?

334
00:40:32,333 --> 00:40:36,917
It seems like
contradictory behavior,
and strange behavior.

335
00:40:42,542 --> 00:40:45,542
I guess the letter
is top secret, so, it's not
available for viewing?

336
00:40:54,375 --> 00:40:55,834
(laughs)

337
00:40:57,583 --> 00:40:58,542
Bill Clinton:
 Today we welcome

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Hungary, Poland,
 the Czech Republic,

339
00:41:02,542 --> 00:41:04,959
finally erasing
 the boundary line the Cold War

340
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artificially imposed
on the continent of Europe,

341
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strengthening an alliance
 that now clearly

342
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is better preserved
 to keep the peace

343
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and preserve our security
into the 21st century.

344
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Our goal is to help
to build a Europe

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that is undivided, free,

346
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democratic, at peace,
and secure.

347
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GW Bush:
Today we proudly welcome

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Bulgaria...

349
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(scattered cheers)

350
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...Estonia...

351
00:41:37,208 --> 00:41:38,709
(cheering)

352
00:41:38,709 --> 00:41:39,875
...Latvia...

353
00:41:39,875 --> 00:41:40,417
(cheering)

354
00:41:40,417 --> 00:41:42,125
...Lithuania...

355
00:41:42,125 --> 00:41:44,458
(cheering)

356
00:41:44,458 --> 00:41:46,166
-...Romania...
-(cheering)

357
00:41:46,166 --> 00:41:48,041
-...Slovakia...
-(cheering)

358
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and Slovenia.

359
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We welcome them into the ranks

360
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of the North Atlantic
 Treaty Organization.

361
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(applause)

362
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This is a special moment

363
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in the hopeful story
of human liberty,

364
00:42:06,750 --> 00:42:10,291
as America formally declares
its support for Albania

365
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and Croatia's entry into NATO.

366
00:42:14,375 --> 00:42:16,000
Stone: What I've heard
 from Mr. Gorbachev

367
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,458
as well as American officials,
including James Baker,

368
00:42:19,458 --> 00:42:22,500
there was a, a deal
with the Soviet Union

369
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not to expand
NATO eastward.

370
00:42:56,375 --> 00:42:58,333
Stone: So this was
 a clear violation.

371
00:43:14,792 --> 00:43:15,875
(Putin speaking)

372
00:43:31,083 --> 00:43:34,583
And right now the Warsaw Treaty
has faded into oblivion.

373
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There is no Soviet Union.

374
00:46:51,458 --> 00:46:53,709
Under the rules of NATO,
I believe you'd have to share

375
00:46:53,709 --> 00:46:56,000
all your nuclear information
with the United States.

376
00:47:14,959 --> 00:47:16,083
Yeah. Right.

377
00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:31,208
Right.

378
00:47:49,208 --> 00:47:52,333
The old Soviets
were always very realistic
about American policy.

379
00:47:52,333 --> 00:47:54,542
They always tried
to understand the intentions
of the Americans.

380
00:47:54,542 --> 00:47:59,583
I don't know if those
think tanks still exist here.
I would imagine they do,

381
00:47:59,583 --> 00:48:02,709
that Mr. Putin
gets very accurate
assessments about

382
00:48:02,709 --> 00:48:04,166
what United States'
intentions are.

383
00:48:48,834 --> 00:48:51,417
Stone:
 Has this ever stopped?

384
00:48:51,417 --> 00:48:54,792
Has this attitude
of the US ever stopped,

385
00:48:54,792 --> 00:48:56,250
that they had
an enemy in Russia?

386
00:48:56,250 --> 00:49:00,917
Whether it was Communism
 or whether it was Putinism

387
00:49:00,917 --> 00:49:03,083
or whether it was any form,
 it was just the concept
 of an enemy.

388
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Stone:
It raises the question of,

389
00:50:20,041 --> 00:50:23,041
you know, the broader question,
of what is the US policy?

390
00:50:23,041 --> 00:50:23,750
What is its strategy
in the world?

391
00:50:23,750 --> 00:50:25,834
In the whole world?

392
00:50:37,333 --> 00:50:42,125
Well, uh, I can state it
for you, and you can argue
with me.

393
00:50:42,125 --> 00:50:44,417
That's one thing,
I could say I think

394
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or many learned people think
that US strategy

395
00:50:46,917 --> 00:50:50,750
right now is to destroy
the Russian economy,

396
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bring it back
to 1990s' levels.

397
00:50:53,542 --> 00:50:56,709
And change the leadership
of Russia.

398
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Make a new ally out of Russia
for the United States,

399
00:51:00,125 --> 00:51:04,542
and basically,
dominate Russia,
as they once did.

400
00:51:04,542 --> 00:51:07,500
And perhaps did not--
they feel they did not go
far enough

401
00:51:07,500 --> 00:51:10,333
and take your nuclear arsenal
away from Russia.

402
00:51:51,250 --> 00:51:55,542
I understand that Russia
will not give up.

403
00:51:55,542 --> 00:51:57,917
They will go to the end
on this economy.
Under Stalin,

404
00:51:57,917 --> 00:52:00,458
they gave their jewelry.

405
00:52:00,458 --> 00:52:02,917
They gave their
personal possessions
down to their last dollar

406
00:52:02,917 --> 00:52:05,375
to support the government
against the Nazis.

407
00:53:28,834 --> 00:53:31,375
Stone:
We have the US elections
in this year,

408
00:53:31,375 --> 00:53:33,625
and none of these issues,

409
00:53:33,625 --> 00:53:36,750
uh, the environment,
 fixing our alliances

410
00:53:36,750 --> 00:53:38,625
has even been discussed
 one time.

411
00:53:38,625 --> 00:53:42,208
Everything in
the election rhetoric has been

412
00:53:42,208 --> 00:53:45,750
get tough, be tougher,
build up our military again,

413
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:48,417
and in addition to that--

414
00:53:48,417 --> 00:53:51,417
And that goes for both sides,
that includes Hillary Clinton,

415
00:53:51,417 --> 00:53:56,834
who's most definitely become
a neoconservative, a hawk,

416
00:53:56,834 --> 00:53:58,500
strong policies
against Russia.

417
00:53:58,500 --> 00:54:01,458
She was certainly for
the Syrian intervention,
and so forth.

418
00:54:01,458 --> 00:54:05,500
And we have to send
a very clear message to Putin

419
00:54:05,500 --> 00:54:07,875
that this kind of belligerence,

420
00:54:07,875 --> 00:54:10,166
this kind of testing
of boundaries

421
00:54:10,166 --> 00:54:12,375
will have to be responded to.

422
00:54:12,375 --> 00:54:16,125
In addition to that,
the Pentagon has
announced recently,

423
00:54:16,125 --> 00:54:20,917
this new general has announced
that Russia is the number one
threat to the United States.

424
00:54:20,917 --> 00:54:24,417
He's been very forceful
in those statements.

425
00:54:24,417 --> 00:54:28,291
If you want to talk about
a nation that could pose

426
00:54:28,291 --> 00:54:29,166
an existential threat
to the United States,

427
00:54:29,166 --> 00:54:30,667
I'd have to point to Russia.

428
00:54:30,667 --> 00:54:33,750
If you look at their behavior,
it's nothing short of alarming.

429
00:55:19,041 --> 00:55:22,542
♪ ♪

430
00:55:31,125 --> 00:55:34,625
(speaking Russian)

431
00:55:40,709 --> 00:55:42,208
♪ ♪

432
00:55:48,375 --> 00:55:53,375
(triumphant,
patriotic music playing)

433
00:55:55,083 --> 00:55:58,041
(Putin speaking)

434
00:56:26,875 --> 00:56:28,667
(Stone speaking)

435
00:56:32,375 --> 00:56:36,250
♪ ♪

436
00:56:42,583 --> 00:56:44,208
(Stone speaking)

437
00:56:54,917 --> 00:56:57,291
(Putin speaking)

438
00:57:14,417 --> 00:57:14,834
Do you ever see him?

439
00:57:14,834 --> 00:57:16,917
Yeah.

440
00:57:20,041 --> 00:57:21,667
(Stone speaking)

441
00:57:32,583 --> 00:57:34,583
(translator speaking)

442
00:57:35,834 --> 00:57:37,750
(Stone speaking)

443
00:57:41,417 --> 00:57:45,375
(triumphant, patriotic
music continuing)

444
00:57:45,375 --> 00:57:47,875
♪ ♪

445
00:57:51,583 --> 00:57:53,875
(patriotic music ends)

446
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,583
♪ ♪