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*Web414 Feb 11, 2010:*

Workflow
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What do you use for bug tracking?
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Mantis, Trac, Bugzilla, Pivotal Tracker, Intervals

Hacking OpenAtrium case tracker to support bug tracking

What do photographers use? (Photographer Workflow)
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* Lightroom, Photoscape (John December)
* The DAM book: [thedambook.com](http://thedambook.com)

Bandwidth, backups
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* There isn't enough upload bandwidth to mirror all your content if you have a lot of data.
* Everyone sign up for Google's fiber program.
* Amazon S3(Jungle Disk), Dropbox, Carbonite.

Then things went like this:
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> GIT GIT GIT GIT GIT GIT GIT
> Mercurial
> Microsoft
> GIT

IDEs:
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* Eclipse/Aptana: No longer supports PHP
** Eclipse just got git support
* BBEdit
* Netbeans has some PHP support
* Textmate users? Quite a few.

Time trackers:
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* Harvest
* Intervals
* MacFreelance or iRachet.

Batch processing / hourly jobs:
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Do all of your photoshop tasks for different projects at once.
Who makes that part of their workflow? 5
Getting Things Done: lump actions together

Pomodoro
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Study technique. Way of focusing.

File transfer:
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Replacement for Cyberduck?

* Transmit.app: costs money but it is included in Coda
* Filezilla
* Flow.app
* FireFTP - Firefox plugin

Customer Relation Managements
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* Highrise - Manages people
* Sugar CRM 
* CiviCRM
* Kevron is building CRM into their OpenAtrium project.
* Salesforce sucks!

Part 2: Frameworks versus CMSes
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A web application framework has some things written, but things like delivering web pages is up to the coder. -> An incomplete web application, a framework that you hang your business logic on.

Arlen: "The future of the web is in frameworks, not in CMSes."

* Every CMS does things its own way. "one size fits all."

Arlen: "I'm fighting the CMS. The CMS has a way it wants to do things. I have to write the business logic in such a way that the CMS can do it. Every CMS brings in POV."

The big three of CMSes:

* Drupal
* Joomla
* Wordpress

Example web app frameworks:
PHP:

* CakePHP
* Zend
* CodeIgniter (behind ExpressionEngine)

Other languages:

* Ruby on Rails for the Ruby language.
* Django for Python
* Catalyst for Perl
* Seaside for Smalltalk
* Lift for Scala.
* ASP.NET MVC or .NET Webforms

Derek: "Are we arguing the semantic difference between being a developer and being an integrator?"

< Discussion on integration and its worth. I'm not going to even try to record it all here. >

Arlen: "I'm worth more as a developer than an integrator."

Steve Kleibel: "It's about solving problems and delivering solutions. And most people don't care about what's going on under the cover."

Curtis: "Most of the time it is about how fast can I get this up and running? I know that Drupal/Joomla/Wordpress are well tested and quick to set up."

Arlen: "I think the future in web developers is in frameworks."

Kevron: "He said bit-twiddling. That was amazing."