Jun Murai the last class on 2020/1/16 at SFC(Shonan Fujisawa Campus).

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        "transcript": "いや で は そろそろ 一 カ所 か はい それでは 皆さん こんにちは あの インターネット の 二 千 十 九 年 秋 学期 の 最終 回 と いう こと で えーっと あの 集まっ て 頂き まし た ありがとう ござい まし た あの 学生 は 練習 モノ が あふれる はず だ けど 来 て ない その 代わり なんか 変 な 普段 見 られ ない 人 も 来 て いる という こと で どうも ありがとう ござい ます あの お や そういう 人 達 も 来 て くれ てる よう で あのー 皆さん へ の メッセージ も 一応 用意 し た あり ます けれど も ま ただ 今日 は あの ずっと 穴 を する よう に そう みんな 期待 し て 来 てる 人 も いる ん だ けど あの 最後 の 授業 っていう の は いつも この インターネット の 授業 は 学生 に 質問 を 最後 は あの でかい クラス 名 で 眺め が セット インタラクション が でき ない から あの 質問 し て を まとめ て 貰っ て ソレ を ま 最後 に まとめ て 答える という の が 最終 回 の 使命 だ で ソレ を ま 一 時間 ぐらい あっ て その 後 で え? 精子 と インターネット っていう ま まとめ を 少し 最後 に 話す こと に し ます ので よろしく お願い し ます けど まずは 皆さん に 書い て 貰っ た し その あの 聞き ます んで 何 か 変 な 質問 が ない 事 を 祈る が ある そう です ね 個人 性 の 妻 は そんな 読み 個人 的 な 人 も 結構 あり ます と 言う か そう 聞く 前 は 結構 あり ます ね で あのー 講義 に 関する お 子 が いつも と 同じ です で ハッシュ タグ ハッシュ アイネット です ね あのー ま 内容 に 関し て や あの 感想 と か あるいは これ 聞き たい と か って いう こと が あれ ば ま もし あのー いろいろ こと が できれ ば そう でも 考え て いこ う と 思い ます ので ご 活用 頂けれ ば と 思い ます で まず 前半 は 村井 先生 の 質問 という 音 で え? サンゴ が 最終 形 です ね これ が また 五 百 磯 ぐらい 来 て しまう と です ね 全部 に 読む の も めちゃくちゃ 大変 だっ た ん です けど も ま あのー 非常 に たくさん の 色んな 意見 が 来 まし た の で ちょっと 家 に も 手伝っ て 貰っ て ま 似 た よう な もの と いう の は なるべく まとめる 形 で 整理 し まし た な ので 個人 と いう より は ま 皆 さん の その 相違 の もの も 結構 多い か な と 思い ます で 時間 の 許す 限り ま 村井 さん です ね ツイッター の 中 で は と 呼ば れ て ます けど ね 般 さ は 楽しい です か みたい な 質問 も あっ て から 般 さ は 楽しい です 本 サービス です 村井 先生 が 学生 の ところ に 行っ て マイク を 傾ける やつ を 今 の 学生 は ファン サービス っていう や 俺 も 新しい お まず じゃ なく テンメンジャン もちろん ね それでも 案内 いや 昨日 の と いっ た びっくり し た よう な なんか やる べき 田村 市 で 野生 の ご 来場 を 見 たら ちょっと ポケモン か? 俺 は おそらく ハイパーボール じゃ ない と 捕まえ られ ます よ はい は 色んな 本当 に 質問 と か あのー 学生 から 寄せ られ て い ます の で 色々 ある ん です が ま 先ず は 授業 が やはり この 授業 インターネット と いう こと な の で ま インターネット に つい て の 質問 から 入り たい と 思い ます が 見込め は インターネット が 今 当たり前 の 世界 に なり まし た が これから は ま どんな 世界 に なる と 思い ます か という 質問 です が いきなり いきなり 難しい なあ 対象 に し た えっ と まず 当たり前 の 世界 に なっ た って すごい こと だ と 思う ん だ よ ね? それで ま この 授業 で 今回 歴史 の 話 を し た けど 九 十 年 から この キャンパス と やっ て この キャンパス は 当たり前 で あっ た けど 世の中 は 当たり前 じゃ なかっ た それで あの 彼 が え 良かっ た まま 持っ て くれ だっ た ので 彼 よ と 思っ て い ば ちゃん が 今 つらい と 持っ て て 俺 持っ てる だ けど え? 九 十 五 年 か? な に? あのー の キャンパス の データー の 統計 を 取っ て 学生 の インタビュー に とっ て ね それで やっ て アンケート を 取っ て ソレ を イヌノシタ 先生 って いう 先生 が まとめ た 調査 結果 が あっ て その 中 に え? 電子 メール で インターネット で 恋 を し た 人 とか 泣い た 人 とか そういう の が 書い て あっ て それで ソレ が 凄く 多い だ よ ね で 九 十 五 年 で インターネット 誰 も 知ら ない の で は ない か その 統計 の あのー ま 論文 に 彼 返し た の 命 と 先生 が それで その 論文 の 結果 を 俺 が スライド に し て これ で 講演 する 訳 世界 中 で それで そう する と 日本 は 特に 気持ち 悪い と か いう わけ メール 見 て 泣い た とか 笑っ た とか 言っ て そう する と もう ソレ を すごく 反応 する で だけど じゃ 当たり前 で 出 て 接し 以外 じゃ 当たり前 じゃ ない って いう 時 が こう あっ た んで そうこう し てる うち に もう インターネット は 当たり前 に なっ て って 呼ん で えっ と 色んな こと を 言う 人 が いる ん だ けど これ みんな も どうも か わかん ない よ ここ まで 当たり前 に なる と えっ と 知ら ない って 言う ん だ よ ね これ が インターネット だって わかっ て なく て ライン は 使う けど インターネット は 知ら ない と か 私 は あの 人 に 使っ て ます けれど インターネット は 使っ た こと が あり ませ ん と か 何 か? そう いう そう いう 人 が 出 て き ちゃ うん じゃ ない の って いう こう いう が あっ て そ そう いう 質問 書い て あっ た か の 森 です だ けど ま いや それで えっ と これから どう いう 世界 に なる か って わかん ない だ けど えっ と お 得 な なる と 思う か って いう そう いう さ 何 か 誰 か 任せ みたい な 考え 方 を 持っ て ない ので どういう 世界 に し たい か っちゅう こと まだ かなり チャレンジング な こと が ある な と は 思う けど つまり やっぱり こう で 最後 に も 言う けど インターネット は あのー 人類 初めて あのー 地球 上 で 人間 が 同じ よう に デジタル データ を 共有 し て コミュニケーション が できる こういう 環境 を 作っ た ソレ が 当たり前 に なっ た つまり ある の が 当たり前 で ある それで その 上 で 色々 な こと が 我々 の 社会 に は 起こる けれども 良い こと 悪い こと それから ナショナリズム 戦争 あの サイバーセキュリティー の 一種 を 色々 起こる だ けど それで じゃ これ から 逸れ が 凄く 悪く なる の が 良く なる の か? って いう こと を 考え た 時 に それだけ 答え て おく と ね えーっと ほとんど の エッセイ 映画 の 未来 像 みたい な ミル ジャン 入っ て ね 就餐 でる ね やっぱり ね 大体 テクノロジー が 発展 し すぎ て ロボット に やら れ て た ミネーター みたい な 何 か そう いう あのー なんか そういう 話 は すごく 多い だ よ ね それで 何 で あんな 悲観 的 に なる か な と は 思う ん だ けど それで でも ソレ は 持っ て 起用 だ と? 思う の で やっぱり ここ まで こういう 世界 を 作っ て き て 色んな 時 に 俺 は 世の中 が 悪く なっ た の は インターネット を 作っ た お前 の せい だ って 色んな 人 に 言わ れ た けど だ けど はい 入っ て 言い ながら も で も そこ から やっぱり えーっと ソレ を 何 と か あのー そう なら ない よう に する ため の 技術 の 開発 も 勿論 し て き た 訳 だ けど でも やっぱり これ 人間 が 何 し たい って 言っ た 事 の バトン を 作っ てる 訳 だ から そう する と 人間 は 何 し? たい って いう の は 結構 いい こと を し たい ん じゃ ない か と 思う ん だ よ な の で ま 特に また こういう こと 言う と ナショナリズム って ある この 国 は ね だ から そう いう 意味 で えーっと インターネット の 基盤 て どんどん どんどん 良く なる だ けど そう する と 良く なる と いろんな こと が やり やすく なる から 悪い こと も やり やすく なる だ けど いい こと も やり やすく なる と 色んな 問題 を 解い たり 人 の ため に なる こと しよ う とか 自分 の ため に なるほど しよ う とか そういう こと が えーっと どんどん 発展 する で これから は そういう 問題 を 解決 する 為 の コスト が 小さく て それで そう する と やっぱり 色んな 問題 を 解決 し ながら ま 発展 的 に 前 へ 進む 世界 に なる と 僕 は 思っ て ます ただ 朝 オプティミスティック なるほど あの もう 一 個 目 の 質問 から 非常 に ファン サービス が あの う ひとり で この まま 行く と 三 時間 ぐらい 掛かっ ちゃっ て ます けど ね あのー 行こ う と 思い ます けど はい 次 は インターネット 時代 の 情報 の 取捨 選択 の 方法 と たくさん 情報 が 溢れ て いる 時 に どう いう 情報 ま 選べ ば いい です か って いう こと が あれ ば と いう こと で という 質問 が 何 か? いる ポイント で あの もう ちょっと 待っ て ください そう で ちょっと 俺 今 から やる の は この 話 かも しれ ない な って 思っ て て 今 ね えーっと 国境 なき ジャーナリスト っていう グループ が あっ て 悪い は やっぱり ヨーロッパ を 中心 に 活動 し て いる の で そこ から の アプローチ が あっ て それで ま 言わば 今日 の フェイク ニューズ だ とか 新しい ジャーナリズム とか 広告 の ビジネス モデル と か そういう 問題 を どう やっ たら あのー 解決 できる だろ って 今 ジャーナリスト の 人 は 種類 です よ ね 凄く そもそも 新聞 の メディア とか テレビ とか そういう の メディア の 広告 の ビジネス 的 な あのー の 言わば 力 が 弱まっ て いる メディア として そこで 代わり に 色んな メディア が 出 て くる けど そこ に は えーっと 我々 コンシューマ ジェネレーション の メディア で 動い て いる そう する と 本当 に 質 の 高い ジャーナリズム っていう の は どう やっ て 作れる だろ って こと を 考え て いる だ と 思う ん だ よ ね で その グループ の 人 から 今 アプローチ が あっ て その 問題 は 俺 の 場合 は 技術 の プラトン の 作 で その 人 達 が トラスト を 作り ながら グローバル な 空間 で 新しい ジャーナリズム の 活動 が できる よう な 環境 は これ 答え 内容 で も どう すれ ば いい です か っていう 研究 課題 を 持っ て き た ん だ よ ね んで 従お あっ て そう なっ て くる と 足 が 狙っ てる の は 取捨 選択 の 方法 を 例えば ある 今 で も 例えば 皆 さん が の トラスト って いう の は だ けど そう で アノニマス な アイデア は これ も 授業 って 何 度 か 言っ た けど あのー 必ず しも え? 危ない もん じゃ ない よ と いっ た の 間 って 男 で も 付け られる けど えっ と でも 世の中 が 人間 と 物凄く タイト に なる を 持っ て いる の は リアル ドナルド トランプ さん この 人 は 本当 に ドナルド トランプ が あのー といった 見る と 本物 が ちゃんと 喋っ てる この ごと の パスポート と の 裏付け も ない けど もう あまり に 歴史 が 流れ て 彼 だって こと が 分かる ので という わけ で を 政府 の 発行 し た もの に 結びつけれ ば 信用 が できる っていう 単純 な 話 じゃ なく て そして 誰 が 何 を 発信 し て いる の か? って こと が 分かっ て くれ ば 今度 は みんな の レピュテーション や え コミュニティ として この 人 は 信用 できる とか この 人 は 本物 だ とか この 人 の 言う こと を 聞い てる と こう なる とか そういう こと を 我々 日常 で 考え て 今 まで 何? 新聞 なら 信用 できる だろ とか 何 新聞 は どっち に 寄っ てる だろ と か そんな 話 が あっ た の と 同じ よう に えーっと 個人 の 情報 の エンティティー で そういう もの を 取捨 選択 が できる よう な 方法 が えーっと 徐々 に でき て くる だろ う な と いう 風 に 思っ てる の ね だ けど 今 ない と は 言っ て ない だろ だから リアル ドナルド トランプ は アノニマス で フェ 本人 が フェイクニュース べく ニューズ って いう から 何 か どっち が 定期 購入 で は よく わかん ない ん だ けど ね だ けど この 人 が 言っ て いる こういう メッセージ だ という こと が わかり ながら 夜中 水 する よう に なっ て て 今 の ところ だ から もう すでに そこ に 俺 たち の 取捨 選択 の 方法 は だんだん アダプティブ に 確立 し てる と 思う ので アドバイス は だ から え? どう すれ ば いい の か な って 考え てる と えーっと ソレ を 実現 する の は いい こと な ので 自分 ひとり で も できる ん だ よ ね これ 面白い よ って 言っ て 人 に 伝える って こと が できれ ば これ コミュニティー と し て の 取捨 選択 の 方法 の クオリティー は ある 方向 に 上がる から そういう こと は もう みんな やっ て ん だ よ そういう わけ で あのー まあ 大丈夫 だ よ 上手く いく よ、 ふーん いや ちょっと もしか し たら 帰っ てる か も しれ ませ ん けど もう 一 つ あっ た 質問 と し て 議論 の 場 と し て の インターネット 空間 と インターネット の 上 で 今 行わ れ て いる 様々 な コミュニケーション について どう いう 風 な あのー 意見 を 持っ て ます か という 質問 です ね ま これ の 方 が やや だ ね あのー や だ ね って いう の は 何 か? 炎上 する ジャン すぐ いや ソレ を 恐れ て みんな なんか 言え なく なっ てる みたい な とこ あっ て それで でも すごく えーっと 勇気 の ある 人 が い て 何 だろ う? この 人 も ま で も 個人 的 に よく 知っ てる 人 で 炎上 覚悟 で スパン って 言う みたい な 人 が いる よ ね これ で もう 全然 女子 で は 気 に し ない で ま きちんと 答える 人 も いる し 色んな こと が できる よう に なっ て き た と 思う よ それで を 完全 に オープン な 場 で あの 議論 する と ノイズ が 入る から 嫌 だ! って 言う 人 も ま 例えば の 学生 と は こういう 議論 し たい と か この 共通 で この クラス を 練習 し てる やつ と は こういう 話 を し たい と か ま 色んな こと が できる の で インターネット 空間 は ま 例えば 上 グラフィカル な ロケーション に 依存 し ない とか 所属 に 依存 し ない とか そういう こと が あ で 議論 が できる 場所 でしょ って 言う ため に は ま めっちゃ く ちゃ 自由 に なっ た じゃ ない ただ ただ だ から ね あの テレビ 会議 ただ だ から ね って 解除 知っ て て テレビ 会議 で ずっと 話し て て 彼 も お 金 半田 払わ ない って ま ただ って いう 言い 方 も サブス に お金 払っ てる 絶対 な ん だ けど さ だ けど す 凄い ね あれ あの みんな 本当 知ら ない と 思う けど さ 国際 電話 って お金 とっ て 時 が ある ん だ ぜ って いう 電話 で 金 取っ て た 人 たち な ん だ ぜ みたい な 今 まで 普通 周波 前 いや もしか し たら 通話 も タダ だ と? 思っ てる かも しれ ない はい 的 えーっと 幾 つ か ゆすら れ てる 質問 で ま これから の 間 インターネット に 限ら ず って いう ところ です けども 人 と コンピューター の 関わり 方 インターフェース って いう の は これ から どう いう 風 に 変わっ て いく と 思い ます か という 質問 も いくつ か あり まし た どう やっ て 変わっ て いく と 思い ます か うん おん 涼しい です けど 僕 まで コンピューター が その 人 に もう その 生活 に 出 て くる の か? って いう の が お 人間 が どこ も 受け入れる ああ そう だ ある か な と 思っ て あんまり そんな に 入っ て 欲しく は ない あ 欲しく は ない けど ね あ どうも 人間 と コンピューター の インターフェース 界面 どこ から 先 が コンピューター インターネット の 世界 に なる 今 ここ だ よ な この 辺 の コンピューター パソコン と か な 距離 は 一定 の 距離 を 保ち あんま 入っ て き て ほしく ない な 一定 の 距離 を 保ち たい な と 人 の 人 は 言い まし た それで 色々 な ん だ けど さ インターフェース って いう 意味 が めちゃくちゃ が ある と 思う ね 俺 は もう すでに 例えば 車 を 運転 し て 行き たい 場所 が ある よ ね んで どの レストラン に 行き なさい って 言う よ ね それで セッション の 雨 を 騒ぐ という 以外 の 運転 の 仕方 を する 人 達 人 が い ない よう な 人 に も 家 に 帰り 自宅 に 帰る と か いう と 自宅 に 帰る ね どこ に い て も 今 の 子 カーナビ や で うん カーナビ で 自宅 に 帰る って いう と 自宅 まで 案内 し て ポスト もう これ 音声 の インターフェース は カーナビ で は サ かなり 早く から、 手 が 塞がっ てる から あのー 一緒 に なっ て みんな も 俺 も ね。 あのー スマホ で あの メッセージ とか 内野 に この さ あの 僕、 麻酔 すぐ に 悪い けど フリック 入力 っていう の が 苦手 で これ と つい 間違える ね そう で だ から でも 麻酔 に フリック による も 使え ない じゃ ない か とか 言っ て つけ 怒ら れる から 喧嘩 に なる から あの 一応 あの 知ら ない 人 に は 一時 の 松井 さん って いう の が フリック 入力 って いう の を 作っ た 分 って 言っ て 本人 だ けど サークル で 的 に 初 どう も やっぱり あれ なんか みんな 速い だ よ ね 若い やつ ワン 速い フリック 入力 あ、 形態 に よる と 松井 さん に 言え ない ね それで あ、 でも あれ で も やっぱ マジ エラー が 多い ので 俺 一 人 で 周り 気 に し ない 時 は やっぱり 喋っ ちゃっ た よ だんだん だんだん 音声 の えーっと 認識 の 質 が 上がっ て き てる から ただ いま この キャンパス だっ ちゃ 同じ なん だ け 中間 発表 中止 の 中間 発表 の が ポスター れ に なっ た ので でも ポスター 行っ て こう やっ て 説明 学生 から 聞い て て コメント 入れ なさい って コメント 欄 が 終わっ て あっ て これ を 打つ の か みたい しかも ポスター って 歩い てる から スマ ホ しか 持っ て ない ん だ よ ね で も しょう が ない から これ 全部 喋っ て 入れ て ん だ よ ね ポスト だんだん 流行っ て き て みんな 他 の 測る という もの これ 喋っ て 入る だ コール と 言う つもり が 上がっ てる と 気 が 付い て ない 人 が いる そう する と 何 だ? 味 を しめ て 俺 は 原稿 を 書く と そう いう の も ね ただ ただ スマホ に 喋っ てる って いう んで 会長 って いう の が あっ て で だんだん 変わっ て き てる ね 俺 自身 も 変わっ て き て みんな も そう それから ね さっき の あんまり 入ら れ たく ない な って いう の が あっ て 俺 は 結構 ね 家 の 絶対 嫌 だ という 皆 でも ね 家 の 鏡 の ウラ 側 に 高 解像度 の カメラ を 付け て ずっと 上 に 向かう たんび に 鏡 に 向かう 紹介 もはや 毎日 向かう 俺 も 向かわ ない これ 向かう な 女 だけ だ と 思っ た ん だ 俺 は 見 ない と とにかく でも 毎日 同じ とこ で 見る と この データー ずっと 前 に 四 取っ てる と 健康 状態 を 考える それで もちろん 漕い で 買っ て も 健康 状態 と なり スマート ハウス って ちょっと 色んな こと が 分かる ので 健康 の 事 だけ 考える なら 取ら れ て も いい データー だ と 思う そこで そそれ 以外 に 使わ れ ない 気持ち 悪い と 思う かも しれ ない けど 最初 は でも 自分 の 健康 に 飲み 方 ソレ 以外 で は 絶対 使わ れ ない データー だ こういう ふう に なっ たら 俺 は 絶対 に 素晴らしい インターフェース に なる という わけ で スマート ハウス って そういう 風 に なる と 思い ます なぜなら 人間 の 健康 は 人間 が 生き て いく ため に 最も 重要 な 基本 の こと だ から ね そういう 意味 で この インターフェース っていう の は 変化 を し て いく し トラス 程度 な コンピューター と の 接点 で 我々 の 人間 の データー が 特に 健康 の ため あるいは 災害 の 時 の 命 を 作る ため こういう ため に 使わ れる よう に なる と 思う ので すげ え? 変化 する と 次 の 質問 を 見越し て 回答 し てる じゃ ない か と 思っ て あれ です けど も ま 補足 で この 質問 が 幾 つ か あっ た の は これから 先 も どんどん 新しい 技術 が 出 て くる と し た 時 に そういう 新しい 技術 ま 今 だ と と か 自動 運転 と カレー が あり まし た けど そういう もの が 出 て き た 時 の 向き合い 方 で 何 か アドバイス が あれ ば って いう 質問 ね 俺 十二月 に 追突 さ れ た ん だ 透明 で また それで その 前 は 話 だ と 思う けど 俺 が 足 を 怪我 し て た 時 の 運転 し て て も あっ た 運転 手 が 脳 梗塞 に なっ て 透明 で んで 年 で そう に なる けど ウインカー 出し て ない から 戻っ て き て み たい な それで 俺 は 命 を 救わ れ た ので んで ソレ が 二 年 前 でしょ ここ で 十二月 また 透明 の 横浜 で 追突 だ ちゃんと さ れ て 後ろ の 車 ぺっちゃんこ 歯医者 人 で 俺 の 車 は 後ろ から 追突 さ れる 直前 に シートベルト 握り 合っ て 締め て タイヤ を ロック する って いう 追突 の 為 の れ メカニズム が 付い てる という わけ で 僕 は もう 抽象 に なんか ダメージ を 受け た の かも しれ 気 が 付い て ない 次 の 次 の 日 から 痛く も なく 動い てる あのー やっぱり 人間 の 体 を 守る 方向 に 行く ん じゃ ない っす 自動 運転 手 あんまり ね お金 なんか あの な ま さっき の 自宅 に 帰る 楽 に 俺 ね 結構 喋る の 甘い ん だ よ あのー カーナビ に 自宅 に 帰る と ホテル ニューオータニ に 行く とか 言う と 大体 俺 の ミス リード し ない 喋り 方 とか で 素晴らしい 僕 に セクシー って 言っ たら 長万部 に 連れ て 行か れ そう な 感じ で 上手 です ね さすが インターフェース が 進ん で いる と 思う はい 的 幾 つ か ある ん です が ちょっと なるべく たくさん の と 思い ます ので アドバイス 変 です ね 大学 の 授業 は 役に立つ と 思い ます か? 後 大学 の うち に 何 か? これ だけ は やっ て おけ って こと が あれ ば 教え て ください って いう 質問 です ほれ 行く これ まず 俺 も 大学 の 時代 に は 授業 を 受け て ない よ うん それで つまん ない ん だ と 思う 大丈夫 か これ これ でも 学 部長 の 時 は 言え なかっ た ので これ もう 最後 の 授業 だ から 全部 バランス けど 俺 は 大学 六 年間 掛かっ て 利用 し 四 年間 で 清 四 年間 掛かる って 何 か って 言う と 一般 教養 だ から だ 一般 教養 って 経済 の 基礎 と か って 通学 とか そういう の 勉強 する それで これ ずっと 勉強 し てる って 何で 俺 経済 学 が 必要 な だけ 何で 俺 哲学 が 必要 な だけ なんで 俺 美術 だけ の が あっ て そう 思っ て 受け てる つまん ない ん だ よ だ から 成績 悪く て とにかく 理由 も ある けど ね 四 年 し て た 訳 これ を 作る 時 に やめ 恐れ って 思っ た あ ない だろ です し 押し付け られ て 受ける と つまん ない ん だ よ ところが あっ 経済 学 って 何? だけ って? 俺 ちょっと 嫉妬 か の 決まっ て 家 を 受ける と めちゃくちゃ 面白い よ 当たり前 だ よ ね 凄い 先生 を 教え てる ん だ という わけ で 接し は その 順番 コダン 悩め よ って 言っ て 面白い こと やっ て 必要 だ と 思っ たら その 授業 立派 な 授業 が ある よう に カリキュラム を 作れ ば いい じゃ ん? という 風 に 作っ て ある 訳 だ から 純 と 一緒 に でき ない ん だ よ んで ソレ は の ま 言わば 成功 の 秘密 だ と も 言える だ だ から 一気 一 年 から いきなり 研究 活動 を やっ て 必要 だ と 思っ た もの は 一生懸命 勉強 し よう と 思う と まず ね 効率 が いい ね それで そういう 意味 で ライブ の 授業 は ま 役に立た ない もん は 言っ て くれ を やめ させる から って いう の は 学部 長 時代 思っ て た けど それで だ から 役に立つ もの と たった 場合 も ある と 思う ん だ けど ま 基本 的 に 立つ と 思い の 授業 は グループ ワーク が 多い んで じゃあ その 授業 は 役 に 助かっ て られる と 結局 達 って 樹 皆 さん が 作る という よう だ から 次 に 行 目 の 質問 は 全然 違う 質問 だ けど 大学生 の うち の やっ とい た 方 が 良い こと は 何 か? もう? 俺 に これ を 聞い たら 答え が 一 個 しか ない のに 分かっ て て 聞く な よ って いう もう 絶対 やっ とい で 方 が いい の が 好き な 言葉 です 好き な こと を 思いっきり ある これ でき ない から 愛 が 風水害 っていう か? 最後 だ から 就職 し たら 好き な こと を 思いっきり でき ない よ うん ペッター ん だ ところ 毎日 サラリーマン に なっ たら ええ 上 一 週 イチ とか 朝 から 晩 まで 行く ん だ よ って 言わ れ た こと やる ん だ よ 今 なら 好き な こと できる ジャン という わけ で 絶対 に 好き な こと を 夢中 に なっ て ある べき だ そう だ と? 思い まし た で 多い と いい と 思う でしょ う あ あり ます から と 思っ て いい 友達 を 作れ はい はい 終わり 自分 が 本当 に 好き な もの は どう やっ て 見つけれ ば よい です か という 質問 も 来 て い ます うん はい 分から ない 好き 好き な こと ない 人 と やっ てる 見つから ない 人 と いう もっと たくさん 好き な こと 見つけ たい な と 思う 人 で ある そう だ よ えっ と 多分 もう 生死 味噌 年間 見 て て 本当 は 見つから ない やつ が いっぱい い て ソレ が 一番 の 悩み で の よう な スタイル の キャンパス 運営 し てる と みんな 好き な こと が あっ て キラキラ し て だ けど 私 は どう すれ ば いい だろ って いう 悩み は 凄く 多い だ よ ね これ で だ から あのー よく わかる この 問題 は もし 妻 が 横 から それで あのー 大体 ソレ が 俺 の わずか な わずか な 味噌 年 の 経験 で 精神 の 学生 と 付き合っ て て あ 見つかっ た っていう よう な 友達 を通じて ね 先生 を通じて と か ね だ から 例えば 俺 が 何 が 好き だ か 分かる だろ う と する と 授業 を通じて 俺 から 分かる って こと も ある これ から 友達 と 全然 関係 ない 友達 と 研究 室 と は 関係 ない 友達 と サークル だ。 とか え どっか で ばったり で あっ た とか そういう 友達 と 話し てる と 全然 違う こと に 夢中 に なっ てる 人 とか そういう 人 と 出会う こと が ある で そう いう と あ これ って 面白い かも しれ ない という こと に 気 が 付く ので えっ と この の デザイン で 出来る だけ! 気 を 付け た そう いう 研究 室 入っ ちゃ う と 研究 室 全般 って 言っ て 出 て こ! ない とか サークル 一旦 も サクサク 美 外 に 出 て こ ない って いう の は それでも それで いい ん だ よ です が 好き な こと やっ てる から だ けど なんか そういう じゃ ない 出会い が できる よう に なら ない か な って 言っ て 例えば 今 クラス を タイプ の クラス とか すごく 大事 な 役割 を 果たし てる と 思う 全然 知ら ない 人 と 一緒 の こと を やら なきゃ いけ ない って いう の 練習 する って 言っ て も 全然 関係 ない 人 と 一緒 に 練習 し て で、 友達 に なっ て そこ を する と 何 か こいつ の やっ てる こと いい やつ こいつ 面白 そう だ よ ね。 って いう の が 見つかる から どう やっ て やっぱ 人 を通じて 見つかる じゃ ない か な と は 思う けど はい はい 秋 に 素敵 に 夢中 に なっ て いる 人 から 学べる じゃ ない これ は さっき もう 回答 が あっ た の で じゃ 飛ばし ます けれど も 次 が です ね ま 出身 も そんな です が 博士 課程 の 進学 間 あるいは 大学 へ の 進学 って どう です か と か おすすめ 先生 は さ れ ます か って いう 質問 も 何 個 か 寄せ られ て い ます ちょっと 休め ば こっち でしょ う お前 は 今 何 な ん だ 僕 今、 終身 二 年 です どう する 狙い だ。 博士 課程 に 行き ます という わけ です ね。 あくまで 個人 の 感想 です みたい な 大事 です ね。 いや あの ね。 休み は もう 相当 悩ん だ ん だ よ な。 色々 な それで 俺 も ね 色んな 事 を やっ た ん だ けど えーっと 博士 行き たく ない ヤツ は 安値 も そう な ん だ けど ね 俺 今 収支 ミル ジャン 収支 見 て て ね もう 結構 サボっ て あんま 見 て ない けど さ あ ぎりぎり まで これ で もう もう 提出 し ちゃっ た よ と か いう 主人 見 てる んで 今 モテ し た あと で んで そう する と 見 て て 大学 で 何だ こいつ で これ こいつ いるか い ます いや 何 か 発表 の 準備 で 寝 て ます って 机 の 下 に なっ て ます く 行っ て 服 の 下 で で て ペット の 人 が 起きる わ 沖縄 お前 さん 僕 は どう する の いや 何 と か 会社 に 就職 し ます あ そう じゃ 俺 今 電話 し て 断っ て やる から さ 博士 課程 行け よ って 言っ た こと ある ん だ よ ね 本当 ね 来 てる か どう か 知ら ない けど そういう ヤツ いる だ よ ね そう いう こと やる と 今 だっ たら もう パワー とか 赤 と か 言っ て 殺さ れ そう です けど 今日 今日 で 終わり だ から いい や ええ でも ちゃんと ドクタ 凄い 立派 な ドクター に なっ て あのー た 人 ばかり です から 休み は 心配 する な よ あ いや いい いい コメント です ね 良かっ た あと その 村井 先生 の 原動力 みたい な もの に 対し て 凄い いつも です ね どうして インターネット を ま 作ろ もしくは インターネット を ま 研究 し よう と 思っ た の です か と いう ま これ 全然 重要 度 も 行っ た ん だ よ あのー 高校 大学 の 最初 の 頃 に あのー コンピューター 大嫌い で で その 頃 の コンピューター メイン フレーム で コンピューター だ そう で コンピューター が 真ん中 に 鎮座 し て て 何 か 行列 し て コープ カード と か 言う と 思っ て て いや って 読ま せる と 何 か? 二 日 後 に 結果 が 出る みたい ま 計算 機 って そういう もん だ 何 か 凄い 難しい し 知識 を あのー 弾道 計算 とか 軌道 計算 とか そういう 凄い むず 難しい 物理 学 の 式 が 溶け て 嬉しい な みたい な そういう の が 俺 達 が あのー 高校 大学 の 最初 の 頃 の コンピューター の モデル んで ま メイン フレーム でかい 高い え 今日 に も あっ た けど 高校 も 大学 の コンピューター 借り手 行列 作っ て それで ま だ から ラーメン 二郎 行列 で コンピューター 様 計算 し て ください みたい な 行列 が ある えら そう だ よ ね コンピューター が ので 何 だ よ これ って 俺 の 頭 の 中 の イメージ は コンピューター 狙っ て その 周り に 計算 し て もらい たい 人 が 群がっ てる みたい な そんな 計算 機 中心 みたい な 何 か そう いう の を なんか 大嫌い で あ 俺 ずっと キャンプ の カウンセラー を やっ て た ので 野外 教育 を ずっと やっ て た それで だ から 何 と なく こう 人間 の こと が 好き で 人間 が 中心 じゃ ない と 気 が すま ない これ で だ コンピューター やる やつ も 嫌い だっ た し コンピューター の 授業 も 避け て その頃 必修 じゃ なかっ た から 避け て 通れ た それで これ は 数学 な ん だ けど 数学 は コンピューター なく たって 数学 や 当時 溶け た みたい で も 数学 科 に は コンピューター の 先生 が い て それで 交渉 が ない から そこ の 今度 は 課題 が あっ て やる と そう 八神 で ね 専門 に なっ て から ついに その 悪魔 の トヨタ 幸せ だっ た 日吉 の 読め ん さ 結果 も 超え て 枯れ て 数理 工学 科 って いう ところ に いや はや 柄 の 専門 で 入っ て それで こう する と コンピューター の アセンブラ の 実習 の 科目 が あっ て それで これ を やっ た 訳 そ し たら 先生 が 来 て お前 は 面白い 方 叩か れ て ちょっと これ 一緒 に 研究 の 手伝い し ない って 言わ れ た ので その 中西 正和 先生 って やっぱ リスク の 先生 だ けど い なく なっ て あのー 亡くなり まし た けど 俺 とか 富田 勝 の です これ で この 何 と 言っ て も この 商品 の 事件 だっ た ん です よ 大学 五 年 目 初めて 大学 の 先生 と 話し た すごい だろ あ もう 菅 この 大学 って とこ に 俺 は 来 た けど 大学 の 先生 が 話しかけ て き て しかも お前 は 面白い って 言っ て くれ た この 衝撃 の 高い 俺 は ね 五 年 掛かっ た 子 だ から みんな で 四 年 で 卒業 し た なんて 思わ ない 方 が いい よ 本当 あ それで そしたら じゃ そっ か ソレ ソレ は なん で 面白い か って いう と やり たい こと を やる よう な 課題 の コンクール 部分 が ゲーム 作る ん だ けど これ が 何 か 面白い そう する と だんだん その 頃 から たとえば ワープロ と か 出 て き て と ワン プロ って コンピューター で でき てる けど 人間 の 道具 だ あ そう する と 人間 が い て ソレ を 支える ため の 道具 化 し て き てる コンピューター が 必要 な こと が 見え て き た 本 の 俺 の コンピューター の イメージ は コンピューター が 真ん中 に あっ て 人間 が 周り に 群がっ てる みたい な イメージ だっ た のに 人間 が 真ん中 に あっ て 道具 が 散らばっ てる みたい な これ を 人間 を 支える なんか そんな イメージ が つい 載っ てる よう に なっ て き た で そう だ と? する と その 絵 を 書い た もの を いきなり 学部 の 時 に 人間 が 万 一 コンピューター が 真ん中 周り に 人間 が いる もう 一 枚 の 絵 は 人間 が 真ん中 周り に コンピューター が ある で 考え た 訳 この コンピューター と 人間 が 話し て いる と 命令 し てる と なんか めんどくさい あの ね 例えば 衣装 が 三 人、 って 通訳 が 三 人 い て それで それぞれ と の ま 秘書 なる に 全部 話し ながら お願い し て たら ただ 時間 が 三 倍 掛かっ ちゃ う だけど 秘書 の 代表 みたい の が 行っ て そん で その 人 が 他 の 人 と 連携 し て くれ て いれ ば そしたら 自分 を 助ける 秘書 の モデル って できる だろ な そういう って 思っ た そん で じゃあ 人間 の 周り に ある コンピューター って いう の が これ が やっぱり、 手 を 繋い で 真ん中 の 人間 の こと を 支える よう に なん なきゃ いけ ない よ な って その 時 思っ た で そういう こと が でき ない か な と 思っ て で でき なかっ たり その 時 の コンピューター だから 俺 は インターネット を 作ろ う と 思っ た って いう より は えーっと コンピューター が 人間 を 支える 仕組み を 知り たい その 為 に は コンピューター は コンピューター 同士 で 話さ なきゃ いけ ない これ が コンピューター ネットワーク の け 研究 を し た きっかけ わかっ た わかり まし た 彼 は ま 僕 が わかっ て も しょうが ない けど けど 大丈夫 です ね はい 質問 し た 人 など が いる と じゃ こう えーっと 二 つ ある ん です けど 一 つ は インターネット を これ まで 作っ て き て 後悔 し た こと を 聞か せ て ください と いう もの と インターネット を 作っ て き た 中 で ま 楽しかっ た こと は あっ た の でしょ う か で 全部 つらい と 思っ てる の か な って 気 も する ん です けど も ま この つらかっ た こと 楽しかっ た こと って いう の が あれ ば という 質問 も 入っ て ます 最初 何 後悔 し た? こと ない ない かっこいい です ね じゃ 楽しかっ た こと は 何 でしょ う 全部 楽しかっ た ね 素晴らしい だから ここ から 少し え? 村井 さん の 個人 へ の 質問 みたい な もの も 幾 つ か ある ん です けど も 最初 の 質問 結構 これ い まし た ね どうして で 定年 まで 勤め られ た の か ま あるいは に ずっと い た の か? 海外 に 行く 機会 も あっ た と 思う ん です けど 行か なかっ た の は なぜ です か っていう よう な 質問 も 鋭い 質問 な ので この 質問 っていう か この 話 し た? こと ない ね 俺 えーっと そう な ん だ よ それで えーっと やっぱり 行き たかっ た し 行く べき だ と 思っ て て えーっと 実は ポジション も で お 話 と 曲がっ た こと は ない これ で 給料 も 見 て 目 が 飛び出 て どうして 日本 より こんな 高い だろ う って 思っ て 特に 大学 の 時 は あのー ま 言わば 本当 に 用意 し て もう 来 て ください みたい ところ それから あの こ だ あの ドクター の 時 も それから 東工大 東大 と 言っ て ここ へ 来 て から も 一 度 も 行っ て ない です よ あのー 開発 の 時 に 外 バックル 意 ルビ 入り浸っ て た こと ある し 徳田 さん が を 行っ た 時 に に 徳田 さん の ところ に 何 日 も 行っ た こと が ある けど あのー 勤め た の は 東工大 と 東大 と 慶応 だけ な ん です ね そん で 情報 オファー が 確か に あっ た ん だ よ ね 負け惜しみ で 一転 じゃ なく て 本当 に あっ た ん だ けど さ 何で 行か なかっ た か って いう と ね あと ね 若い 時 に これ 言う と 何 か 長 辺 に 怒ら れる ん だ けど さ あの 後ろ の 方 に 座っ てる いや そう に 怒ら れる だ よ って さ 今 俺 が この 国 を 離れ たら 日本 の ネットワーク が 止まる な って やっぱ 思っ た 相談 する と 思っ て もう ちょっと 会っ て から じゃ ない と 雨 か な と か いう 風 に 僕 は 思っ て た ので 勝手 に きっと 俺 が い なく なれ ば 残っ て て です 彼 は うまく やっ て そんな こと は ない ん だ よ な 普通 は だ けど 俺 は そう 思っ て た だ から 海外 に 行か なかっ た の は なぜ です か って いう の を 正直 に 答える と 今 は 俺 が い なく なる と やっぱり 止まっ ちゃ ん じゃ ない か な って 若い 頃 思っ て た よ ね でも ソレ は 右 上 で あっ て 多分 そう じゃ なかっ た ん だ あのー 多分 それで なんか 俺 が 留守 に する と 動か なく なる ん じゃ ない か な? って いう 心配 が あっ た から これ は 定年 まで 定年 ね 平年 と 会う 時 だけ 合っ てる なんか で ね 定年 は ね 平年 ひどい だ よ 俺 にとって 慶応義塾 の って なんて ひどい だ よ あの ね 六 十 午後 に なる と 六 十 五 歳 の も 悪 六 十 五 歳 だっ た よ ね だ から さ 六 十 五 歳 が 終わる 時 に 首 に す レジャー ええ 子ども 六 十 五 に なっ たら 違う 人 たち も 書い ちゃ いけ ない って いう の が ルール 俺 の 誕生 日 三月 二 十 九 日 だっ た え す それぞれ さ 見 て 回っ た 何 か それで じゃあ もっ 元 エントリー で 得 し て ない から 早生まれ だ けど ね 早まる って 大体 いい こと あっ た ん だ よ でも なんか これ だけ は 納得 いか ない けど ま で も 六 十 五 歳 で 満ち た 務め ます んで ホント 務め ます なんか も 卒業 式 卒業 式 という こと です 非常 に いい 話 の 次 に 聞く の も 何? です が 村井 さん ここ から 一 問 一 度 形式 です ね 荒井 さん の 一番 好き な お金 の 使い方 は 何 です か ああ これ はね 学生 に うまい もん 食わ せる こと 俺 が ね 嬉しい だろ なぜ か って 言う と ね 大人 に うまい もん 食わし て も ね 喜ば ない ね って 最近 そして 自分 で 食える ジャン みたい な 思う じゃ そう する と やっぱ 楽しみ だ ね これ で まくっ た こと ない だろ これ みたい な 後々 村井 先生 に 尊敬 する 人 は 誰 です か 尊敬 する 人 いや いっぱい 過ぎ て あれ だ けど やっぱ 俺 が 最も 持っ て ない 力 を 持っ て いる どう だ うん やっぱり 音楽 館 お客 音楽 か 絶対 夜 に は でき ない ずるい って 思う ね なるほど 音楽 ね 生まれ変わっ たら 何 に? なり たい です か 音楽家 だ ね ええ 青 ね はい これ 定年 に なっ たら 底面 は 何 を やる ん です か と 質問 が あり ます あ じゃあ その 時 に は あまり お 悪かっ たら 罠 な の か な? そんな どうぞ 次 すごい 会場 が ざわざわ し ます けど 大丈夫 です ね 村井 先生 に は 新聞 や 何 で 何で 今 そう そう 言っ て み た か? って いう と ね あの 実は 娘 が 長女 が 生まれ て これ で 長女 弓子 って 言う ん だ けど 裕美 ちゃん 大人 に なっ たら 何 に? なり たい の って 聞い た 時 の 下 バナナ って 言っ た ん だ よ そう だ から 一応 ソレ を 尊重 し て どうも 彼女 は バナナ に なり たかっ た らしい よ じゃあ 俺 も ちょっと バンド 名 に なっ て み よう か な って 気 はい 次 が 温泉 掘削 計画 の 進捗 を お 聞き し たい です えーっと ホント 止まっ て て 申し訳 ない ん だ けど も えーっと この プロジェクト は 知ら ない 人 も いる と 思う ん だ けど に 温泉 を あと 師 と 思っ て い て この 理由 は 勿論 俺 が ホルン じゃ 高い だ けど さ 古野 ロブロ が えーっと ある ところ で え の 凄い サポーター で えーっと 大分 の 温泉 を 掘る という の を 投資 し て た 人 が いる の ね それで この 人 まだ ソリューションサポート なんか 止まっ て ない だ から あのー まだ 終わっ た 話 じゃ ない ん だ けど それで 例えば その プロジェクト が ポンザ し ちゃっ た わけ したがって お金 投資 し た お金 が 戻っ て き た ので やら なかっ たら そう これ 温泉 に 使っ た 金 だ から で 温泉 を 掘る 夢 の ため に と し た 金 だ この 人 が 何 か これ で 温泉 ホール とか ない か な? って いう から 政府 に 降りろ って それで 温泉 か って 何で 神奈川 県 本 で 温泉 っていう の は ね こう 専門 訳 が あっ て 戦略 の 沿線 に 他 の や 他 の 商業 温泉 が あっ たり する と 難しい とか んで そういう 色々 な 事情 が ある ん だ けど ソレ を 一応 調べ て 貰っ たら いい だろ ちょっと いい の んで そこ まで 分かっ た 訳 で その後 その 町 の 名前 が わかっ ちゃ う と まずい だ けど あ その 人 が 色んな とこ 誘っ て くる だろ う どこ か に 遊び に 行き まし よ とか アフリカ 遊び に 行き まし よ、 とか お 金持ち だ と か んで あ、 そう いう の に つい て いく と じゃ 次 の 瞬間 温泉 ホール っていう 感じ に なる か な と。 思っ た けど なかなか 時間 が 取れ ない から こう する 訳 その オファー ずっと 降り 続け てる から だんだん いい 感じ 持っ て ない かも しれ ない って これ ね それで 一室 一生懸命 ああ 彼 と 遊ん でる と きっと いい こと が 今度 あの リタイア 授業 なく なる と ね もう少し アフリカ と か あのー そう いう とか 遊び に 行ける から そう する と 温泉 戻っ て くる かも しれ ない 市 も 伊藤 で って いっ た のに こんなに 音声 の 話 を インターネット 時期 です 機器 と は 思い ませ ん でし た また 明日 すぎ て さ 今日 速 さ れ うまい 文句 よ 甘い もの の あと これ は 結構 僕 は 商品 の 村井 さん は これ まで に 何 か 音楽 を さ れ て い た の? でしょ う か という 質問 が クロロ も 聞く の だけ で あのー 自分 で は 音楽 って いう の は ロー が この とき 縦 笛 と か やっ た リコーダー 当座 です ね はい で あと えっ と 嘘 だ 今 僕 は ず あの 大分 の 時 は あのー さっき の 二 年 を 四 回 やっ た うち の 俺 東京 大学 ブルース 研究 会 っていう バンド やっ て て それで 東大 で 東大 ネゴ 学際 って いう の と あのー 女子 考察 機材 って いう んで いる 東大 な 五 月 再 駒場 で ある それから 金剛 で ある の を 今夏 駒場 サイト 五 月 菜 っていう の は これ は 春 と 秋 に 文化 祭 何で 本郷 ところ です これ 全部 出 たら ね 四 年間 二 年 の 時 つまり 発会 出 て フルーツ ばっか やっ て て そん 時 ね やっ て 隣 の 共通 で やっ て て うるさい と か 言っ て エレキ の 音 が うるさい と か 言わ れ た ま 中島 みゆき さん ここ で はい 昔 の 話 で それで 僕 達 の マイク を やっ て くれ た 人 あのー 夏目 雅子 さん という 女 が 圧巻 の 二 年 生 の 大丈夫 よう に なり まし た ね その あと ね で 一緒 に ずっと ゲーム やっ て くれ て あの 舞台 の 上 だ で そういう こと は やっ て まし た けど やっ て た よ だから 俺 は ま いい や だ から 一体 こと な ん だ けど 甲 部分 わかり まし た はい 後 えーっと これ を こう 幾 つ か です ね 例えば について の 質問 と いう ところ で あのー 先 に 読み上げ たい です ね ま 社会 に とっ て この という 大学 あるいは 学部 成功 だっ た と 思い ます か と か です ね 村井 先生 が い なく なっ た 後 の が どう なる の か の 予想 を 教え て ください と か です ね は どんな 大学 に なっ て いっ て ほしい です か あるいは 学生 に の 学生 に 期待 する こと は 何 です か みたい な 結構 椅子 エルシー これから どう いう 風 な もしくは 村井 様 に 精神 の こと どう 思っ てる の か という 質問 も かなり 多かっ た と 思っ て 何 物 も ストレス と 言っ て た けど これ ベッド です よ ね 主 質問 の 学生 に 来る その 前 も 前 この 前 も いや なんて いう こと 友達 ちゃっ た わけ あ 最後 に まとめ て 返事 を し ます っていう そして もう 一 個 一 人 で 行き ます か もう そう いっ た わけ え? え え ええ プレゼン に 本当 の 高い 内容 じゃあ 一 個 実績 ます か はい ただ あの お 時間 も あり ませ ん じゃ 時間 という でも モダン ジャン ジャン ま ん じゃ ない の 第 五 ぐらい 先生 の スライド も 結構 あり ます よ でも まあ 時間 の 許す 限り いただけ まし た か はい はい 社会 に とっ て と 大学 は 成功 だっ た と 思い ます か 思い を 大 成功 だ あ つぎ に だ 温泉 より も 今 の 話 に しゃく を 取る べき だっ た ん じゃ ない か と 思い ます まあ 村井 先生 が い なく なっ た 後 ね 拙者 どう なる と 思い ます けど も どんどん 良く なる どんどん 良く なっ た は どんな 大学 に なっ て いっ て ほしい です か もう 最高 の 大学 に なっ て ます よ エッセイ 学生 に 期待 する こと は 何 です か? 見る 三 つ ぐらい だ よ 好き な こと を やる え 自分 を 月 に なる 自信 を 持てる 友達 と 仲良く しろ 悪い さすが ず 落ち が チャンス です あと えーっと 最後 の 質問 ま 結構 哲学 的 な 質問 も 幾 つ か あっ て いや なかなか この 授業 を やっ て い て この 質問 来る の も 凄い な と 思い ます けど インターネット って 何 です か だ から 僕 は 逆 に 深い な と 思っ た 訳 で ま これ は 最後 は です か ね スライド で 連れ て も 暇 一言 お 返事 し ます が アウト という 後 で はい 後 もう 一 つ ま なんと という あ この 講義 で 一番 伝え て き た 伝え たかっ た こと は 何 です か って いう よう な 質問 も 来 て い ます ので はい じゃ はい それでは えっ と よって 味噌 分 だっ た えーっと この インターネット の 授業 こん 今年 今回 は 歴史 みたい な 発信 し て た ので ま その 延長 な ん だ けど まあ これ も 三 十 年 やっ て き た 最後 の 授業 だ から ちょっと 大原 っと する の は あのー ま 初めて 来 てる 人 も いる ちょっと 勘弁 し て 貰っ て で 強 い と インターネット の 話 を し て み ます ね あ、 どうぞ 敦賀 スライド? あ え 接し 稲 盛氏 って いう の は えっ と 作っ た 時 に これ 色んな 意見 を 言う やつ が いる ん だ けど もう 何 の 準備 も 違っ た 何 の 敵 に も もう 適任 責任 も 思う じゃ ない 何 に も 縛ら れ なく て いい や って 思う と 本当 の 思っ てる こと を よく 行っ て 俺 は 長い 間 環境 情報 学部 長 やっ て た それで 俺 の 基本 的 な 考え方 は 環境 情報 学部 と 統合 清掃 の 区別 は ない これ が ずっと 俺 が 思っ た こと は で 区別 が ある って いう こと を 言う やつ も いる ん だ けど さ 今 の 土屋 総合 政策 学部 長 みたい ね んで もう いる だ いつ でも そう いう なんか 特に 何 か やっぱり そういう 引退 やつ が いる ので 環境 情報 も いたん だ もう 名前 言え ない けど 富田 勝 っていう の が もう 環境 情報 は 違う だ みたい な そう いう こと を 会津 学 部長 だっ た 時 は 行っ て それで もっと はね 愛想 先生 は エンバイロメンタル インフォメーション って いう ファカルティ オブ エンバイロメンタル インフォメーション という 名前 を その くじ に なる 前 に 生い立ち 集まっ て 覚え てる こう いう 英語 に 使用 環境 情報 それで 愛 さん の 言っ て た 環境 情報 は えーっと 人間 が 情報 を どんどん 関係 を、 持つ その 全て が 環境 な ん だ よ って いう そいつ を 環境 って 言う ん だ よ って 言っ たら 環境 情報 って そう いう の は 何 か? こう 例えば エコロジー とか さ なんか そういう 環境 学 じゃ ない よ 本当 の エンバイロメント じゃ なく て これ で その 意味 だっ た 最初 麻生 亜紀 さん 考え て たら それで 本 で じゃ その エンバイロメント って 言っ ちゃ う と 塩 ラーメン と の 事 に なっ ちゃ 右 から 環境 学 に なっ ちゃ 右 から エンバイロメンタル インフォメーション つっ て インフォメーション 学習 で 円盤 ムント が あの 主 修飾 語 男 って いう 風 に し て 英語 で やろ う って 言っ た わけ 実は そうこう し てる って ね その 清水 先生 みたい な 本当 の 環境省 から の 先生 て き ちゃっ て だんだん この なんか エリー カー と か 言っ て 電気 自動 車 とか 言っ て 何 か? 結構 環境 や ルジャン っていう 先生 が 増え て き て ま 今 で 言う と カニ は 見 た? んで ボストン ちょっと やっぱ 環境 って どっか みたい な 話 に なっ て それで 富山 学 部長 だっ た 時 だ と 思う ん だ よ な エンバイロメント アンド インフォメーション 二つ ある から スタディーズ って の つけ よ って 言っ て 英語 名 だけ 変え た 本 で 環境 情報 学部 って って だ から 割合 測る っていう の 中 に は 環境 の 先生 すごく 今 強く なっ てる だ けど 知っ た こと じゃ なく て 俺 は え す 出身 って いう の は 俺 いつも 言っ て た ん だ けど あのー 混浴 風呂 開い た こと ある 本 よく 混浴 温泉 流行っ てる 間 ね んで 一見 入り口 は 男 に なっ て 書い て ある 着替える とき は 男 と 思い ます だ けど 何 が? 入る と 同じ フロア これ が え の だから どっち で 入っ て も いい ん だ よ それで だ から どう いう こと か って 言う と 俺 は ずっと 額縁 を 超え た 環境 情報 学部 は 人 と 地球 だけ 考えろ って 言っ た 人 と 地球 人間 が い て 地球 が ある これ だけ 考え て いけ ば いい これ は 俺 が インターネット を 作っ てる とき も 同じ で 地球 全体 に ひとつ の 空間 しか ない の が インターネット から あのー 合っ てる な 俺 おれ おれ が 書い てる 環境 情報 学部 の ディスクリプション って みんな 残っ てる んで まだ なぜ 残っ てる か って いう と 俺 の 後 に なっ た 環境 上顎 部長 人 目 な ん だ けど ああ いう の ね ジム から ね これ どう し ます が 直し ます か って やる と いや 面倒 戦艦 前 の よう で いい よ って いう の が ある から 俺 の 書い た の が 誰? でも 起こっ てる で 俺 は 全部 書き 替え て ある ので 俺 の 前 の やつ が 残っ て いる こと は だから まだ 残っ てる じゃ ない だ から こういう 言葉 が 環境 乗客 出 てる じゃ 総合 政策 学部 は 何 だ? って 言っ て 俺 は 総合 政策 部 じゃ ない んで 残り 全部 そう する と 全体 で は 全部 の こと が 考え られ これ が 俺 の 映画 館 ま の で えっ と ま よく これ は 何 度 も 言っ て だ けど インターネット 文明 って 生い立ち は ま インターネット は もう 文面 に なっ た な 道具 から 始まっ て え? 社会 全体 が って いう の は? これ は 何 度 も 使っ てる ん だ よ だから この 文明 は 同 部 使っ た お ソノ 仕事 や だ けど で も あのー 一つ しか ない ん だ よ な インターネット は あ 最も 文明 っていう の は 世界 に たくさん だ けど 落とし でも インターネット 運命 っていう の は 一 個 しか ない インターネット は 地球 に 一 個 しか ない から ここ が 一番 伝え たい こと で 俺 たち は その 次 の ページ を 見つけ まし た 何 度 見 し てる けど 国 と 国 と の 間 で この 地球 を 生き てる けど 一 個 戻し て ね インターネット 一 個 しか ない これ が 一番 の バリュー だ と 思う 人類 は インターネット 前 に は 地球 全体 を ひとつ の 空間 だ と 思っ て 生きる 人間 が 生ける 空間 を 持っ て 流れ 下 男 が インターネット で これ が でき た それで ゲーム も 次 それと 同時に 国際 空間 も 戦争 も 起こる 経済 制裁 も 起こる ので この 二つ を 同時に 持っ てる 空間 として 持っ て て ソレ が 当たり前 だ と? 思う の が インターネット ネイティブ インターネット 文明 時代 の 皆さん 俺 たち は ソレ を 作っ て き た ので これ を 前提 に 四つ の 空間 を 作っ て き た から その間 に 色んな コンフリクト も あっ た し それから もっと 重要 な こと は 気 が 付か なかっ た みんな もし インターネット が こんな よう に なる なら あらかじめ ブツブツ し て おけ ば 良かっ た と 思う ヤツ は きっと い た と 思う ね だ けど そいつ ら が 気がつく 前 に 作っ ちゃっ た したがって でき た っていう ところ ある ので これから どう な の か? って いう と こいつ 潰し に 掛かっ て くれ 絶対 入る か な? ほん で これ を どう する か を みんな に 委ね たい 守れ よ 地球 で は 人類 が 初めて 地球 で ひとつ の 空間 を 作っ た ん だ から これ を 一つ 一つ の 国 に の 権利 で 分断 し たり ブック は し たり バラケ さ せ たり させる な よ 頼む ぞ ここ まで やっ て き た だ それで ソレ が 両方 で 生き て いる こと が とても 大事 だ これ が インターネット の 一番 この 授業 で 一番 伝え た か って こと です し みんな に お 願い し たい こと で も ある はい 本 で は 慶応義塾 が 本当 に 期待 を 持っ て 作っ た キャンパー さん どうぞ この ふく ざわゆきち が これ も 言っ てる けど 西洋 事情 の 中 で 千 八 百 六 十 六 ない だろ 四 つ の 海 は 一家 五 角 族 は? 兄弟 みんな 人類 は みんな 兄弟 だ 雨 で んで 左側 に は そこ が 作っ た もの 上記 経済 前進 し て そういった 人間 の 道具 たち これ が 文明 に 繋がっ て くる という 福沢 先生 の お 考え だっ た でも この 笑 て ください 次 の え 恐ろしい でしょ 地球 は 一つ で 電信 柱 で 繋がっ て て 逆 が そこ を 走っ てる だろ インターネット だ よ で もう 一 個 前 に 戻し ください 千 八 百 六 十 六 年 に この 人 は その コンセプト 持っ てる ん だ そう です 鎖国 し て た ばっか で 飛び出 た 彼 自身 より 前 これ この 時 に この 感覚 を 持っ てる で も ついに でき た ん だ よ 福沢 先生 の この 思い は? え? 接し が 作っ た ん だ よ すごい ね どうぞ この 日 は 石川 塾長 という 塾長 の 間 から でき た 石川 先生 って こういう 顔 し てる って あんま 知ら なかっ た かも しれ ない けど 戦後 最高 最長 の 四 期 十 六 年 染谷 塾長 と 思え ない あのー 文化 勲章 だ とか 苦笑 一般 貰っ てる ね 慶応 の 副長 こんな 勲章 を 貰っ てる 人 は かなり 少ない あのー 彼 の スピーチ を 作っ た 西暦 千 九 百 八 十 三 年 五 月 十 五 日 聖 記念 館 で 開か れ た 慶応義塾 創立 百 二 十 五 年 記念 式典 で 石川 塾長 は 従来 の 大学 教育 の 不備 を 指摘 し 新しい 大学 の あり方 を 熱く 語る うち に これ は 湘南 藤沢 キャンパス 誕生 の きっかけ と なる メイン 別 として 人々 の 間 に 記憶 さ れる こと に なる うん 教育 の 面 に おき まし て も 現在 の よう な 複雑 で 流動的 だ。 不 確定 が 時代 いう の は あのー 我々 が 過去 に 経験 し なかっ た 新しい 現象 が 後 から 後 から 起こっ て くる 時代 で ある で 下 が あっ て その 教育 の 問題 ただ。 他 に 広く もの を? 言う こと で は なく 自分 の 頭 で もの を 考える 力 これ を どう いう 風 に 作っ て いる いう こと は やめ て 大切 に なり つつ ある 新しい 現場 に 対し て 自分 の 頭 で もの を 分析 水 判断 合成 する 力 ここ に 教育 の 重点 が 映さ れ て 来 なけれ ば なら さらに かつて 我々 が 対象 と し なかっ た 領域 の 研究 と いう もの も ますます 十 代 に なり つつ ある しかも 学問 分野 学問 に 彼 の 間 の 交渉 領域 の 研究 も 慣れ て 十 代 に なっ て き て おり ます で こう いう よう な 学問 の あり方 の ね いう もの に 対応 し て いく ため に これ まで の 中田 大学 の 体制 だけ で は 一生 十分 で は ない いう 風 に 考え られる みたい な という わけ で ちょっと この まま に し て み たい という わけ で これ が 八 十 三 年 で 踏ん で 七 年間 の 準備 を 経 て え? 摂取 を 作っ た 訳 です ね そういう わけ で もう かなり の こと が ここ で いつか さ れ て いる ん じゃ ない か いせ し あのー 作る あるいは え? 摂取 が どういう 事 で ある べき か と 今 まで の 事 に とらわれ ない これ は? え? 摂取 が でき て 味噌 年 出す と その 間 に 同じ 名前 の 学部 が 全国 で でき てる よ それで え の 栄養 入社 みんな コピー さ れ て いる ん だ よ ね? そりゃ そう だ よ ね 寿司 も 行っ た から だけど そこ で また 新しい 問題 は どんどん 出 て き て 新しい 力 必要 に なり それで その こと に ずっと サステナブル に 対応 できる 仕組み を え 精神 なんか 作ん なきゃ いけ ない 色んな 苦労 し て き た けど だ から まあ あの お前 が 五 年間 俺 たち が い なく なる 部分 の ファカルティ っていう の を 五 十 って の は 五 年 分 まとめ て やろ う って 言っ て そう だっ た ので その 時 の 教員 を 取る ため の 基準 に なんて 書い て ある か 知っ てる どう やっ て 募集 し た か? 知っ てる 興味 を 普通 の 大学 は 経済 学 の 教員 が 一つ 足り ない から 一つ 穴 を 埋める ぞ とか そう いう 風 に 貴君 コンピューター サイエンス の 教員 が いる その 時 は 数詞 は どう いう 教員 公募 し た ん だ ああ 僕 です よ ね えーっと です ね 色々 カテゴリー が あり まし た ね えーっと 一 番 から 生ん でし た け 畑地 三 十 万 え 領域 が ある ん です けど ゼロ 番 て いう の が あり まし た ね ゼロ 番 は これ まで の 大 研究 領域 でし た という わけ で 俺 は これ まで の え? ない 教員 研究 両 普通 そういう の 最後 に 書く で どれ は そこ から トロ と 思っ て これ を ゼロ 番 って 何 し て そしたら 藤 が 来 た ん だ そう です ね んで やっぱり ね ここ の この 時 に 来 てる 教員 は もう 全部 が そう 全部 が 富士 だっ た 子 な ん だ けど さ フフフ でも やっぱり 今、 まで に ない 人 が いつ でも 入っ て き て それで 新しい 力 を 作っ て いく って いう の は とても 大事 な ん じゃ ない か な と 思っ て やっ て み た ま 画期的 だっ た よ! 大学 の 教員 公募 で うち 内圧 っていう 教員 公募 する っていう だろ う から 絶対 なかっ た と 思う けど そこ で 入っ て き た 人 が 必ず ああ いう 少し ちょっと 新しい 力 を 作っ てる ん だ。 そういう わけ で 成長 し 続ける と 思う よ、 この キャンパス は えーっと 加藤 観 て いう 人 と 次 の アイス 英雄 先生 これ が 環境 情報 学部 長 で 前 戻っ て 加藤 関 羽 えっ と よ。 慶応大学 神戸 あ 方 だ と 大 先生 です 政府 税調 会 会長 って 書い て ある これ が 初めて の 消費 税 の 導入 やっ た ん だ よ。 初めて の 消費 税 導入 やっ た とき する し 規制 しか い ない 授業 で 相談 し て ん だ よ ね。 学生 と 何 パーセント に し よう か 消費 税 どう する か な そこで 次 の 日 新聞 見 と 税調 会長 三 パーセント の 消費 税 に 決定 って 言っ て 書い て あっ た 学生 たち みんな の 友 と し てる あ 俺 が 決め た って いう んで そう いう ところ の 面白い そう も ない 結構 こういう つ 次 は アイス 先生 先生 は ま 僕 ら の 先生 な ん です けど もう 凄い これ これ どっ から 取っ て き た も これ あのー だ から お 湯 級 だ と 思っ た これ なんか べき ペディア とか そういう だ と 思う もう そもそも 愛想 研究 室 から 村井 純 徳田 秀樹 や 坂村 健 を はじめ と する コンピューター 関連 の 多く の 研究 者 を 輩出 し た って いう アイス 全盛 の いい こと も 本当 賭け よ という 感じ ええ だ けど ま とにかく 僕ら は この 人 の 学部 長 この キャンパス を やっぱり 最初 顔 で 俺 実は ね 秘密 を 行え た 聞い た ん だ よ んで 結構 戻し て みる それで あのー 井関 先生 って あの 本当 に 作っ てる 人 達 って いう の は ね いる んで ソレ が ね この 人 を 学 部長 に する っていう ストーリー の 件 を 行い で 初めて 遺跡 先生 から 聞い た 当然 井関 先生 と 高橋 順次郎 っていう 人 の 先生 が この キャンパス の 企み を ずっと 潰さ 本当 の 哲学 者 と 石川 先生 から 言わ れ てる それで 石川 先生 に ある 時 何 て 言う の 陳情 に 行っ た ん だ こと で 行っ た って いう ん だ で 移籍 し やすい から 聞い た ん だ よ クイック ニュース かも しれ ない よ と か 言っ て でも 井関 先生 は 当時 の 複合 薬物 それで プロデューサー が 話し 順序 と 柚木 さん だ これ で 準備 し て て これ だ これ だ って 言っ て 大体 の 骨格 が でき て 俺 なんか も 東大 から こう 読ん で 準備 室 と か 入れ て その インターネット どう する か と か これ で ある 時期 に 実は 俺 は 行っ た ん だ よ って 石川 さん と か ね それで こう いっ た だ よ 僕 も 高橋 順次郎 先生 も あのー 物凄く きちんと アイス 先生 も できる けど それで だ けど やっぱり 世の中 に これ だけ 違う こと を やる って いう やっぱ シンボリック な 看板 が いる ん だ だから 経済学部 から 加藤 を よこせ それで 加藤 さん は 一方 喜ん で 行く よ って 言っ たら 死ん だ けど さ これ は 動作 も 見 た で は 相当 上田 仕事 って 言う か そう いう 感じ だっ たら 三 本 で あの もう あまり に 外 で 有名 だ から 活躍 し てる から ま 普通 の アカデミズム から 言う と 大体 そう いう の は ちょっと あのー 色眼鏡 で 見 られ ちゃ ま お 得 政府 シート そう いう 先生 も いい ん だ よ で という わけ で に いる 人 っていう の は 何となく 激しい ロイ ション イラク と アメリカ が どう し たら なんて 言っ て も 何 か 結局 田中 と 中山 しか 出 て こ ない じゃ ん? テレビ 見 て も みたい な そういう ところ が あっ て ま 寿司 屋 そういう 先生 多い 昔 も 中国 の こと が 出 て くる と 小島 先生 が 出 て き て そこで まとめ そういう こと で 加藤 先生 呼ん だ って だ から ちょっと これ も 見事 に 成功 し た の は やっぱ の 一つ の 行か なく て この 人 で 作っ て ま そこ 政策 と 環境 情報 学部 なんて 一緒 だ よ って 言っ た ん だ けど この 二 つ は やっぱ 強い 人 の シーン 総合 政策 と そい から ま ある 意味 の コンピューター サイエンス を 中心 と する 環境 情報 学部 の 強い 力、 って いう の を シンボリック に やっぱ この 人 は 表わし て た か な と。 思う それで この 時 の えーっと 環境 情報 学部 側 の ブレイン が 次 の 人 な ん です けど これ が 斎藤 信房 先生 で ま 牧野 中村 お産 さん 自称 です ね え そう 美 亜 理工学部 に い た の で まあ 彼 が の 切羽 専門 家 だっ た から 僕ら ボイス の 勉強 する 為 に あのー 筑波 大学 から ね 移っ て き た バイト 先 する と 人 に なり まし た それで 後 は もう 時間 ない の で 飛ばし ます あの 歴史 は この 授業 色々 話し た の で インターネット が でき まし た インターネット は ユニックス と パケット 交換 の アパレル これ が 両方 の 親 で ソレ が バークレー で 一緒 に なっ た これ が 俺 が 言わ ない と なかなか 忘れ られ ちゃ う 八 十 二 年 に この 男 ビル 上位 が バークレー ソフトウェアディストリビューション という という ミックス を 作っ た 時 に スピーカー を 入れ て 世界 中 に オープン ソース で 変わっ た これ が 重要 な ので この レッスン は 大学 が 世の中 を 変える って こと は ない インターネット は 大 が でき た の は ビル が バックル で 頑張っ た から んで ま ぽ 捨てる の こと は ポピュレーション が ね やっぱ 動かし 続ける 技術 っていう の を は 彼 は そう 派手 な こと じゃ ない けど きちんと 動く ため に どう すれ ば いい か って こと を ずっと 考え られる 人 で 彼 が 板 から インターネット 動い た って いう 話 を する 時 に あのー ま ドメイン 名 と か ね ここ で この 俺 も こ 彼 から 日本 は 頼む ぞ ジョン って 言わ れ て と か ま ホステル が インターネット を 出す 時 に どう し よう って 必ず 俺 を 呼ぶ ん だ よ ね 太平洋 の 向こう 側 に ひとり やっぱり ちゃんと し た 方 が いる って 言っ て んで な そう いう じゃ 彼 は 僕 の 大変 重要 な 指導 者 で ある ええ この 人 は ね 恐ろしい 人 な ん です よ でも ね 敬意 という 日本 が いい か? 俺 三 十 三 と か ね インターネット さ れ た とき 三 十 三 の 若造 が あ インターネット っていう つまり そそれ まで は 電話 が 電話 と 電話 を つなぐ みたい な 話 は 国 と 国 が もう トップ トップ で やる よう な 話 だ よ ソレ を 三 十 三 歳 の 若者 が 勝手 に アメリカ と 繋い だっ た ん だ よ な? 世界 と ま こんな もの を 政府 が 関与 し ない その 歌っ て 国際 問題 に なっ たら どう する の よ みたい な 心配 を みんな し て い て で その 時 に 俺 が アメリカ 行っ て こいつ の オフィス の とこ で こう やっ て つなぐ ぞ っていう の は やっ て た けど ところで さ これ 繋がっ て うまく 行っ て も さ 日本 の やつ みんな 心配 し て て こんな こと を 東大 女子 だ から ね 東大 助手 の 若造 が 世界 を つなぐ みたい な こと を やっ て て こんな こと 許さ れる わけ ない って みんな 言う ん だ よ ね って 言っ たら こいつ が ミソ 分 あ 散歩 い なく なっ て です ね ナショナル サイエンス パン でしょ ベタ 変動 で この メール を 書い て き た いや ドクター もらい ライト バー ディスカッション 実は 双子 コンビ は ホープ の 端 に ある 山野 スパン でしょ う 実は プレジャー 町 グラウンド インターネット アクセス という ジャパン に 在 ピコ 見 て! 先生 より スティーブ ウール ディビジョン ディレクター これ を 三、 三 分 で 帰っ て き て 数 十 年 に 出さ せ て よ! この スピーディー な 音楽 に 飾っ て ある 今 ね こ これ で 持っ て 帰っ て 東大 戻っ て き て 分 くらい 分かる ナショナル さん ファン サイン する でしょ アメリカ の 政府 の 正式 な グラム とっ た よ みたい な アマンダ どうして 経緯 に 頼る だ よ という こと も で も 何 か 経緯 も 簡単 に 突破 でき ん じゃ ない か ところ も あっ て しかも フェイク じゃ ない から ね これ 夫 は そんな そんな で はい これ は あ? ここ は ウェブ は? え? 精神 から 生まれ た って 事 を 言う ため って どんな やつ が 似 た 教員 が 元 に なっ て ハイパーテキスト って いう んで ワールド ワイド ウェブ の バンナ 釣り が ウェブ を 作っ た そう いう 意味 で 摂取 は インターネット いっぱい 生み出し た ね 最後 に 後 二 千 年 に こういう 人口 分布 だっ た それで これ アジア って いう の は 殆ど 日本 んで 頭 に 来 て なぜ 頭 に 来 た か? って いう と まだ 動かさ ない で くれ ない か アメリカ 人 と 日本 人 が ほとんど 同じ 年 二 千 年 だろ 千 九 百 九 十 年 の 後半 に インターネット バブル が 怒っ て バークレー の やつ ら が みんな ビジネス 始まっ た ん だ だから 研究 開発 し た の は 俺 たち だけ な ん だ もの で そう する と これ やつ めちゃくちゃ だ か 日本 が つよかっ た 日本 の 研究 開発 で 作っ た の が アイピー バージョン セックス という 今 お前 ら が 使っ て いる 今 の バージョン その 前 の バージョン フォー って 言う ん だ けど この 開発 やっ て て 刈り 込め っていう ところ で なぜ 今 今 の キャンパス で やっ て た ん だ けど さ これ が 世界 の 開発 を ずっと この 時 牛乳 てる と しかも 安吉 場所 だ ところ へ 同僚 の とんでも ない やつ が 来 て それで 日本 の インターネット は どうして こんな ぼろい の って 言っ た ん です では すごい 頭 に 来 て この 時 も 超 天狗 で 俺 たち が 世界 で 一番 先端 の インターネット を 作っ てる ん だ を 持っ て た 時 に 平気 な 顔 し て 日本 の インターネット は どうして こんな ぼろい あのー ほど 言っ てる んで お前 って 言っ たら 力 役所 で 使っ てる 経済 で 使わ れ て いる だ から 日本 の 経済 は アメリカ に 後れ を 取る だろ この 何だ アメリカ 被 これ を 行っ た の は こいつ 同僚 お 名前 言え ない 同僚 で 凄い 経済 学者 の 視点 と 俺 達 が 作っ て き た 世界一 だ と 思っ て た 話 とか 全く 違う ん だ よ ね それで でも よく 考え て みる と そう な ん だ 政府 で 使わ れ て ない し 金融 で 使わ れ て ない 子 だ から 経済 に ダメージ を 与え られ て いる 何で だ よ 思っ たら そう する ね こういう 経済 学 者 とか あのー ビジネス の 人 っていう の は ね あのー そういう 言い方 すん だ よ の で どう すれ ば いい です か って いう と こ なかっ た みたい な そう いう 金融 コンサルタント で みんな 大体 そう いう 論法 で 離さ ご し なきゃ だめ です よ って 言っ て だけ な ん です か ね と どう すれ ば いい か な どう すれ ば いい って 俺 も 行っ ちゃっ た の ね そしたら 総理 の とこ 行き ます よ って いう で その 時 に 作っ た スライド 持っ て き た ん だ けど これ 二 千 年 に 総理 の とこ 行き ます よ って いう か ソウル 用 に 作っ た スライド が ある それで 総理 今 まで はね 電話 の インフラ と 放送 の インフラ が ある ん です けど 色んな 分野 が あり ます よ ね 和服 に それで インターネット っていう の は 電話 の インフラ の 上 に 乗せ て デジタル 通信 やっ て み たら 経済 とか 教育 とか 結構 うまく 行き 始め た ん です よ ね もう ちょっと 頑張る と あのー あらゆる こと に インターネット は 貢献 できる と 思う ん です けど ただ 高い 電話 の 上 に 載っ てる と だから ネイティブ の インフラ を 作ろ う よ って 言っ て ちょっと 一 個 戻し て ください 凄い スライド な ん です よ ね その 時 の まま な ん だ けど で 放送 と 電話 国 の もん だ から 弄る と 怒ら れる ので こう やっ て 他 の 分野 で 貢献 する と か 言っ て です もう 一 枚 入れ て そう そう 何とか 細く なっ てる あれ いつの間にか ちょっと ちょっと インターネット が それで いや これ 気 が 付か ない よ ね みたい だ から ネイティブ の インフラ が いる ん だ よ ね って 言い ながら 悪乗り し て もう 一 枚 作っ た それで そしたら これ が うまく 取り入れ られ て ある 時 総理 が 所信 表明 を する って 言っ たら ここ に こう 入れ て 俺 夜中 の 二 時 ごろ 明日 所信 表明 を 挿入 する ん です けど キーワード が ない という きっと だ から 俺 関係 ねえ な そんな だっ た けど この 文章 が 入っ て て 始め た 先端 インターネット の 技術 など の あ 技術 の 開発 など の 研究 開発 による グローバル インターネット の 課題 解決 積極 参加 する この 文章 が これ が 入れ、 た で ちょっと は 各 省庁 万 だけ で、 本当 は ストーリー も そう でしょ そう だ! けど 引っ掛かる ワード が ない って わけ バージョン セックス など に 行っ て 総理 行っ たら どう です か って 言っ たら それに 入れ よ、 って こと も あっ て 誰 も 知ら ない 誰 も 日本 中 底 打ち アプリ バージョン 好き って 何? みたい それで そしたら これ 次 の 日 の 所信 表明 の 次 の 日 さすが に 全て の 新聞 囲み で 相手 バージョン セックス と っていう 確認 する って こういう ヤンチャ な こと が できる の は だ よ ね? これ は 俺 が 技術 者 として 生き て たら こんな こと は 絶対 思わ なかっ た ね ね という わけ で は 素晴らしい とこ だ な って いう ぐらい じゃ ない 俺 の スライド だ な そう 今 は もう いい や 来 れ ぶ 話し たら 授業 だ よ ね じゃ もう 時間 ない から えーっと じゃ これ は あの 時間 が 来 た ので これ で いい です か 他 の 質問 と か ね もう 時間 が あり ます はい じゃあ 採算 マイク 持っ て いただい て いい です か えっ と え これ が 最後 の 皆さん へ の メッセージ です あの 僕 は 喋れ なく なる かも しれ ない から 書い て あげ ます バックアップ の スピーカー が ちゃんと い ます 僕 の 言葉 だ と 思っ て です どうぞ えーっと 綿 の ため に 書い て ある えーっと まず は 皆 さん あの 今年 の インターネット 練習 し て くれ て どうも ありがとう 最後 まで す それから 味噌 年 え 精神 で 繋がっ て くれ た すべて の 人 達 あの 昔 の 人 も 今日 は 来 て くれ て 本当 に 感謝 いたし ます の も あり だ と それから さっき みんな に 任せ た ぞ って 言っ た けど 俺 は 味噌 年 五 十 年 この 世界 を 作っ て き た みんな と 一緒 に でも これから 味噌 年 磯 そして 百 年 ここ を 目指し た あの 音 は みんな に 任せ ます 頑張っ て ください もう あのー 安心 し て ます みんな が これ を やっ て くれる と 信じ て い ます あのー で 摂氏 で 働け て 良かっ た とても 楽しかっ た あ 素 晴 し に 行っ て 良かっ た とても 楽しかっ た の 学生 と 卒業生 は? 皆さん は 私 の 怒り です ホント に 三 十 年間 どうも ありがとう うん そう です ね ま でし た うん そう だ はい よく し て くれ た 両 大学 の ありがとう ね せっかく な ので 李 修 者 の 方 達 と 一緒 に 写真 を 撮り たい な と 思う ん です が 大変 申し訳 ない す けど ステージ から 降り て いただい て そこ で 上 から なるべく 広角 で 作り たい と 思い ます ね すいません じゃあ お 花 も 持っ て いただい て そう だ 大丈夫 じゃ こう でしょ ちょっと 捕る 禁漁 ちゃっ た よ じゃあ ありがとう 話題 は 社長 に 会っ て なかっ た ん じゃ ない か なあ そう なれ ば で 料金 は 授業 の 本当 に ありがとう ござい ます 皆さん の ご 協力 の おかげ で 時間 も せ ず に 何とか 追わ れ まし た ので ホント に ありがとう ござい まし た"
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