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singapore.md

THS acts of civil disobedience in a liberal democracy to change unjust laws

Prop

  1. Janani
  2. Long Long
  3. Ava R. Janani

Opp

  1. Jan sen
  2. Ashmita
  3. Zack R. Ashmita

Jamani

  • Def: rights are protected? Utilitarian prop but deontological framing? Concrete example on how changes laws? 2 min no POIs

MLK did not live in a liberal democracy

  1. Pub key component for change REAL? pub after div disobedience, but both are planned

Examples: - writing letters ?

finishing on rhetorical questions opens you up

  1. Societal Growth
  • Rosa Parks

"Let me remind you" is a crutch!

Did you mention your 3rd argument?

Big picture improvement: first speaker drills!

Jan Sen

What did you gain from contesting definitions?

Good point on strikes in HC sector

  • Why not do micro/macro refutation?
  • Use Even Ifs!

Oregon and imperialism - i syour point that imperialism wasn't as optimal?

Great antivaxxers example! Disproportionate effect of minorities!

What was the point of criminals and parole?

You need STRUCTURE! Roadmap your points! Where is your case? I didn't hear your substantive arguments! o.0

... did you read your speech?

Did you speak for 4:23? -_-

Long

SPIKE THE WIN! They didn't present a CASE! Call them out on it!!!

use REAL micro/macro refutation techniques Use Even Ifs

Fight the best version of parole

technically diamonds don't shine...

Women's suffragism? Why is everyone talking about the US? They don't have a monopoly on civil disobedience!

Long - are you reading your speech?

Estonia 1987 and miners - phosphate war

Long: Must learn to universalize your examples. What are the principles at play? How can what happened here be applied elsewhere?

You've been reading for 5 minutes :/

Why is no one offering POIs???

You dropped: the worker strikes affecting health care, disproportionate impact of vaccine deniers/ civil disobedience

8:23

Ashmita

OOF! Start with a roadmap! What happened to the definitions? What about the dropped arguments from your Opp leader?

If examples no longer apply then what about Oregon? Democracy is different today can be a great argument! How does it gel with your previous speaker?

Internal structure for transitions!

Media being juked by disobedience and not by issues can be a great refutation! => Needed to be fleshed out a bit more

REAL structure?

nooooo... don't drop the minority rule examples!

"Choose other methods that don't cause disruption" => BLM leads to violent riots => Street violence is disrupted - relative to what? => Harming other minorities you wanted to help - good talking point

holding taxes harms more poor people than those in power

What if the status quo normality is violent?

Ava

How will you change it if you are basically telling people to do nothing!

Great clash points structure! Great smelling they just want people to shut up and stop complaining!

Noooo don't run from your case! You don't need to argue you only ever want the good, orderly disobedience - bite the bullet that disruption is just and necessary in the face of injustice!

"We're civilly disobeying the law!" It is a spectrum, but don't be afraid to run with it!

Where is you internal structure for the clash points? Oh, good call backs on "modern democracy" still being relevant!

"We believe that" is a crush of yours :D

YES - call them out on NOT responding to your arguments!!! Good job!!!

Rosa Parks => Still facing racism today!

Capitol Hill is an ... interesting example to bring so late in the debate.

"Civil" doesn't mean you only get the good examples and that no one is ever harmed - learn to bite the bullet!

8:25

Zack

Your case is predicated on winning against a weak prop. It was effective today, but it won't be against a solid team.

Clash structure:

  1. Spreading message is most important ... are you arguing for the Marketplace of ideas?

HITLER - BINGO!

So if CivDis can lead to violence, what happens if you repress it? This point was confusing for me - you could be contradicting yourself.

Your argument is that questioning authority leads to violent, which justifies repressing it, which is basically authoritarianism in the long run. Why? Because it becomes politically convenient to make your opponents illegal. If you start making others illegal, history is... not kind to those regimes.

  1. Civil D isn't best way (begs question of what actually is the way) What about the Farmer strikes in India? 1 Billion farmers on strike! It's important vs Modi!

Does jail actually help? Do people get help there?

Do you think that its a good thing to criminalize all dissent?

Ashmita Reply

Too much refutation in your reply about violence and civil disobedience

2 worlds: CD isn't the only method (your case didn't really provide other measures in a robust manner) CD starts peaceful but leads to violence - hurts the infrastructure => equivalence of property damage and human violence is sneaky, not necessarily the same.

Service workers example - Say they never refuted it! Drive the example HOME of how a small percent of antivaxxers can crush your society with variants! If you want to add an angle of how democracy today is different than ye old CD, connect it to the spread of misinformation or something!

Janani Reply

Magical definition shield! There's no such thing as violent civil disobedience, otherwise it's not civil!

... See the problem there?

Learn to Even if!

Awareness is an argument :/

Good calling them on just preferring status quo - nail their "awareness" argument as a sham by claim some efficiency of your mechanism.

Who POI'd? 3:42

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