ilugc-meet-13-06-2020

2020-06-13 15:00:59	mohan43u	Hi everyone
2020-06-13 15:01:09	mohan43u	welcome to ILUGC June month meet
2020-06-13 15:01:15	anbazhagan	hi
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2020-06-13 15:02:00	kiwi_92	Hi
2020-06-13 15:02:03	mohan43u	our first talk is about emacs 'org-mode' by shrini
2020-06-13 15:02:04	shrini	hello all
2020-06-13 15:02:16	mohan43u	shrini: please carry on
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2020-06-13 15:03:51	shrini	Hello all
2020-06-13 15:04:16	shrini	LEt us wait for five minutes for few more people to join
2020-06-13 15:04:39	Malaw89	Are we going to hear you Shrini?
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2020-06-13 15:05:33	rattlesnake	is there a parallel Jitsi channel that we are going to use for presentations if any?
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2020-06-13 15:06:11	shrini	rattlesnake: no
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2020-06-13 15:06:27	shrini	we have only IRC sessions for today
2020-06-13 15:06:36	rattlesnake	thanks.
2020-06-13 15:07:12	anbazhagan	I hope you will mention the basic keys of emacs as well. I'm not well versed with emacs.
2020-06-13 15:07:27	shrini	anbazhagan: yes. will start with that only
2020-06-13 15:07:35	shrini	will start in 3.10
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2020-06-13 15:07:36	anbazhagan	Thx.
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2020-06-13 15:10:05	humachine	good afternoon everyone :-)
2020-06-13 15:11:53	shrini	hello all
2020-06-13 15:13:05	shrini	I am going to explain on how emacs and org mode or helping my life to get better
2020-06-13 15:13:16	shrini	I am also very new to the emacs world
2020-06-13 15:13:26	shrini	not an expert like mbuf
2020-06-13 15:13:47	shrini	I am using eemacs for two months only
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2020-06-13 15:14:11	zorro_valmunskin	i have seen a emac talk on ilug-d youtube it was good
2020-06-13 15:14:14	shrini	I feel that I have missed a whole awesome world of emacs in my 15 years of life with linux
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2020-06-13 15:14:58	shrini	I was always trying to use emacs for many years, but failed again and again because of its different key strokes
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2020-06-13 15:15:38	shrini	I tried different flavours - spacemacs, doom
2020-06-13 15:15:46	shrini	still cant get on with a flow
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2020-06-13 15:16:00	shrini	finally found that simple emacs-nox is the best fit for me
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2020-06-13 15:16:20	shrini	most of my works are in commandline. I prefer CLI for any tasks
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2020-06-13 15:16:37	shrini	so this emacs-nox become a very good companion for me
2020-06-13 15:16:58	shrini	I suggest all to start emacs with the emacs-nox version
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2020-06-13 15:17:11	shrini	you can goto any directory and open a file easily
2020-06-13 15:17:16	shrini	emacs-nox <filename>
2020-06-13 15:17:19	shrini	thats it
2020-06-13 15:17:29	shrini	file is opened just like vim or nano
2020-06-13 15:17:34	shrini	then make some changes
2020-06-13 15:17:37	shrini	and save
2020-06-13 15:17:45	shrini	with C-x C-s
2020-06-13 15:17:49	shrini	what ?
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2020-06-13 15:17:58	shrini	too many keystrokes to save a file?
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2020-06-13 15:19:24	shrini	yes, just like any other command line application, emacs has many keystrokes to do tasks quickly
2020-06-13 15:19:37	shrini	we can learn them very slowly
2020-06-13 15:19:47	shrini	I started as one item/action per day
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2020-06-13 15:20:00	shrini	now I know some 6-7 actions only
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2020-06-13 15:20:13	shrini	but this is enough to start with emacs
2020-06-13 15:20:26	shrini	remember this - take baby steps only on learning emacs
2020-06-13 15:20:36	shrini	it will be a one editor for our lifetime
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2020-06-13 15:20:48	shrini	we dont need any other editor/ide for our lifetime
2020-06-13 15:21:02	shrini	we can do all the things with emacs
2020-06-13 15:21:09	shrini	that we can do in commandline
2020-06-13 15:21:36	shrini	IRC Chat, Calculator, programming, debugging, games, email, and more
2020-06-13 15:21:37	Guha	I belive vi  vim and nano were the editors support at almost every linux flaours
2020-06-13 15:21:52	shrini	emacs is there for all the operations systems
2020-06-13 15:22:01	shrini	we have to install it
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2020-06-13 15:22:29	shrini	emacs has different modes to do different things
2020-06-13 15:22:44	shrini	org-mode is one thing to manage our tasks
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2020-06-13 15:23:11	shrini	it can be used as notes manager, todo manager, sprint planner, life organizer etc
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2020-06-13 15:24:06	shrini	we need to open or save file with .org extension
2020-06-13 15:24:19	shrini	to enable org-mode in emacs
2020-06-13 15:24:28	shrini	emacs shrini-tasks.org
2020-06-13 15:25:02	shrini	and just start typing
2020-06-13 15:25:15	shrini	shall we have some live demo?
2020-06-13 15:25:19	rattlesnake	!
2020-06-13 15:25:24	shrini	ask rattlesnake
2020-06-13 15:25:34	shrini	goto https://training.ilugc.in/
2020-06-13 15:25:39	shrini	in your browser
2020-06-13 15:25:43	rattlesnake	yes for the live demo any kind of follow along
2020-06-13 15:25:53	shrini	and confirm here once you have opened it
2020-06-13 15:26:08	shrini	if you have emacs in your computer, you can use that too
2020-06-13 15:26:14	shrini	install emacs
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2020-06-13 15:26:26	shrini	then type emacs-nox test.org
2020-06-13 15:26:31	shrini	in terminal
2020-06-13 15:26:43	shrini	if you are in training.ilugc.in
2020-06-13 15:26:51	shrini	there are three panels
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2020-06-13 15:26:54	shrini	the top is for IRC
2020-06-13 15:27:00	shrini	the middie is for trainier to show demo
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2020-06-13 15:27:09	shrini	the bottom is for everyone to practise
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2020-06-13 15:28:14	shrini	any  other joining there?
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2020-06-13 15:28:30	shrini	or opened emacs-nox in your laptop?
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2020-06-13 15:29:07	mohan43u	!
2020-06-13 15:29:24	shrini	ask mohan43u
2020-06-13 15:29:45	famubu	would normal emacs be okay?
2020-06-13 15:29:56	shrini	normal emacs is fine
2020-06-13 15:30:00	shrini	that is simple
2020-06-13 15:30:17	famubu	?
2020-06-13 15:30:26	shrini	ask famubu
2020-06-13 15:30:31	mohan43u	hi, to people who are joining training.ilugc.in, start emacs as '(unset USER; unset LOGNAME; emacs)' instead of just 'emacs' in "Practice Terminal" to get rid if some initial error
2020-06-13 15:30:37	famubu	Whats the difference btw nox and normal?
2020-06-13 15:30:44	gnurenga	emacs -nw  <filname.org> this also work
2020-06-13 15:30:55	shrini	thanks gnurenga
2020-06-13 15:31:00	shrini	nox is No X
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2020-06-13 15:31:11	shrini	"No X" means open in the same terminal
2020-06-13 15:31:18	shrini	dont open in a new GUI window
2020-06-13 15:31:35	shrini	I had tons of fears over the GUI window of emacs
2020-06-13 15:31:43	shrini	it is not like a gedit or kate
2020-06-13 15:31:54	shrini	I did not know how to open a file using that
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2020-06-13 15:32:17	shrini	but simple CLI emacs with nox or -nw helps a lot to start with
2020-06-13 15:32:33	shrini	we can learn many emacs magics later once we start to use that
2020-06-13 15:32:58	shrini	some key stokes may not work on training.ilugc.in
2020-06-13 15:33:00	shrini	for emacs
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2020-06-13 15:33:22	shrini	take note of them and try in your own emacs in your machine
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2020-06-13 15:33:40	shrini	so, let us start with opening a file
2020-06-13 15:34:05	shrini	see the middle pane of that site
2020-06-13 15:34:20	shrini	I opened emacs demo.txt
2020-06-13 15:34:29	shrini	it shows some window
2020-06-13 15:34:36	shrini	ignore the top panel
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2020-06-13 15:34:50	shrini	with "File Edit Options" etc
2020-06-13 15:35:24	shrini	you can also try creating a file in the bottom pane
2020-06-13 15:35:34	shrini	now i am adding some content
2020-06-13 15:37:40	kushal6	!
2020-06-13 15:37:53	gnurenga	!
2020-06-13 15:38:26	shrini	ask kushal6
2020-06-13 15:38:43	kushal6	Is emacs an OS or an application?
2020-06-13 15:38:53	kushal6	I have known is as an application till date
2020-06-13 15:38:54	shrini	kushal6: emacs is an application only
2020-06-13 15:39:06	kushal6	And I was once said by someone
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2020-06-13 15:39:28	mohan43u	!
2020-06-13 15:39:28	kushal6	" Emacs is not just a text editor, calling it that will be a great insult for Emacs"
2020-06-13 15:39:29	shrini	some people use say it for fun as a OS
2020-06-13 15:39:53	shrini	it can do many other things that a text editor can not do
2020-06-13 15:40:08	shrini	let us see how on the org-mode demo
2020-06-13 15:40:08	kushal6	Yes :shrini That is what I just told.
2020-06-13 15:40:16	shrini	ask gnurenga
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2020-06-13 15:40:39	gnurenga	@shrini It needs a good text editor, I dont understand this part
2020-06-13 15:40:39	shrini	ask mohan43u
2020-06-13 15:40:51	shrini	gnurenga: that is fun text
2020-06-13 15:41:00	gnurenga	@shrini oh o
2020-06-13 15:41:09	mohan43u	kushal6, gnurenga that line is a joke about emacs
2020-06-13 15:41:19	Satheesh	!
2020-06-13 15:41:22	shrini	they mean that emacs can do all other things
2020-06-13 15:41:27	mohan43u	kushal6, gnurenga one more joke here https://xkcd.com/378/
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2020-06-13 15:41:46	shrini	just like we use our smartphone for lot many things, except for making cals
2020-06-13 15:41:49	gnurenga	mohan43u will look in to it
2020-06-13 15:41:56	shrini	ask Satheesh
2020-06-13 15:42:17	Satheesh	I am getting this error on panel 3 "User guest has no home directory"
2020-06-13 15:42:44	mohan43u	Satheesh: use '(unset USER; unset LOGNAME; emacs)' instead of typing 'emacs'
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2020-06-13 15:43:19	shrini	you can set as mohan43u says
2020-06-13 15:43:25	shrini	or ignore the error
2020-06-13 15:43:28	shrini	no harm for now
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2020-06-13 15:43:45	rattlesnake	! solution to problem by Satheesh
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2020-06-13 15:44:38	rattlesnake	Press `Ctrl-x 1` and the error will dissappear
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2020-06-13 15:44:55	shrini	ok
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2020-06-13 15:45:19	shrini	so everyone can open a file, type and save using C-x C-s
2020-06-13 15:45:22	shrini	right?
2020-06-13 15:45:39	shrini	now exit the emacs with C-x C-c
2020-06-13 15:45:45	gnurenga	yes
2020-06-13 15:45:46	shrini	C here is Ctrl
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2020-06-13 15:45:59	shrini	once you exitted the emacs,
2020-06-13 15:46:14	shrini	create a new file with .org extention
2020-06-13 15:46:17	shrini	like shrini.org
2020-06-13 15:46:34	shrini	now, emacs will open in org-mode
2020-06-13 15:46:49	shrini	more magics are waiting here to unlock
2020-06-13 15:46:56	shrini	let me open a file
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2020-06-13 15:48:57	Satheesh	Thanks rattlesnake
2020-06-13 15:49:20	shrini	You can use org-mode to capture anything text and organize them neatly.                                                                │································
2020-06-13 15:49:40	shrini	For example, I use it for note taking
2020-06-13 15:49:45	shrini	I need heading, sub heading, more sub heading and items as notes.
2020-06-13 15:49:51	shrini	* heading starts with *
2020-06-13 15:49:58	shrini	** sub heading starts with **
2020-06-13 15:50:06	shrini	*** we can have more inner levels of sub heading with more stars like ***
2020-06-13 15:51:25	famubu	?
2020-06-13 15:51:46	shrini	ask famubu
2020-06-13 15:51:48	famubu	So similar to markdown?
2020-06-13 15:51:58	shrini	org-mode is similar to markdown
2020-06-13 15:52:06	shrini	it is just a text markup language
2020-06-13 15:52:14	shrini	not a big language
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2020-06-13 15:52:18	shrini	just a few symbols
2020-06-13 15:52:27	shrini	now, we can move the headings easily
2020-06-13 15:53:15	shrini	change their orders with Alt + (UP arrow / DOWN Arrow)
2020-06-13 15:53:58	shrini	Put the cursor on the heading and press tab to compress or expand its inner contents
2020-06-13 15:54:32	shrini	Now, I am going to organize the items with Alt + arrows
2020-06-13 15:54:39	gnurenga	!
2020-06-13 15:54:56	shrini	ask gnurenga
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2020-06-13 15:55:46	gnurenga	Info I was using c+space to cut copy paste
2020-06-13 15:55:47	gnurenga	before
2020-06-13 15:55:56	gnurenga	thanks alt+arrow is really helpfull
2020-06-13 15:56:25	shrini	ok
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2020-06-13 15:56:53	shrini	this is how we can capture all the notes
2020-06-13 15:57:05	shrini	I started to capture all my life events in a text file
2020-06-13 15:57:17	shrini	like  a digital diary and task manager to capture todo lists
2020-06-13 15:57:37	shrini	I tried to use many online tools, but they have different issues
2020-06-13 15:57:47	shrini	but the text file we create with org-mode is so handy
2020-06-13 15:58:00	shrini	now let us add few tasks on that file
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2020-06-13 16:00:16	shrini	We can add more tasks as bullet points as sub headings
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2020-06-13 16:00:54	shrini	we can add TODO and DONE strings for each tasks
2020-06-13 16:01:01	Guha	How you save content  with emacs
2020-06-13 16:01:01	shrini	we can add manually
2020-06-13 16:01:13	Guha	its strange for vi users
2020-06-13 16:01:15	shrini	C-x C-s to save
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2020-06-13 16:01:38	gnurenga	ctrl + x ctrl+s
2020-06-13 16:02:25	shrini	I add TODO and DONE in front of each tasks manually
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2020-06-13 16:02:44	gnurenga	!
2020-06-13 16:02:45	shrini	by this we can get to know what are the items to work on and what we have done
2020-06-13 16:02:48	shrini	ask gnurenga
2020-06-13 16:02:57	gnurenga	@shrin is it possible list todo alone
2020-06-13 16:03:09	gnurenga	suppose if we have large todo and done list
2020-06-13 16:03:12	shrini	it should be possible
2020-06-13 16:03:19	shrini	There is an agenda view
2020-06-13 16:03:33	shrini	which can tell you a overview of a week's taks pending
2020-06-13 16:03:44	shrini	I am yet to learn the agenda
2020-06-13 16:03:58	gnurenga	@shrini thanks
2020-06-13 16:05:28	shrini	https://blog.aaronbieber.com/2016/09/24/an-agenda-for-life-with-org-mode.html
2020-06-13 16:05:33	shrini	see here for more details
2020-06-13 16:05:44	shrini	how to add TODO quickly?
2020-06-13 16:06:00	shrini	C-c C-t
2020-06-13 16:06:27	shrini	by pressing tha above combinations, we can add TODO and DONE easily for any items
2020-06-13 16:06:50	shrini	if yoy try this on training.ilugc.in, it may not work
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2020-06-13 16:06:57	shrini	C-t opens a new tab in browser
2020-06-13 16:07:04	shrini	try this in your own emacs
2020-06-13 16:07:54	shrini	Next is Adding priorities
2020-06-13 16:08:05	shrini	S+arrows
2020-06-13 16:08:13	shrini	shift + Up/DOWN arrows
2020-06-13 16:08:22	shrini	it will add [#B]
2020-06-13 16:08:34	shrini	move up, it will change to [#A]
2020-06-13 16:08:41	shrini	move down, it will change to [#C]
2020-06-13 16:09:10	shrini	with A,B,C we can add priorities and work in high priority tasks
2020-06-13 16:09:23	shrini	read "Eat that frog" book
2020-06-13 16:09:35	shrini	to know more on managing tasks well
2020-06-13 16:09:44	shrini	we can not do all things we think
2020-06-13 16:09:56	shrini	do only three high priority tasks on any day
2020-06-13 16:10:13	shrini	delegate other tasks or dont do the small tasks
2020-06-13 16:10:30	shrini	thus, we can do only tasks that have high impact o n our life
2020-06-13 16:11:19	shrini	There is one more thing, to calculate on the hours we work on each task
2020-06-13 16:11:24	shrini	clock-in and clock-out
2020-06-13 16:11:55	shrini	C-c C-x C-i   to clock in
2020-06-13 16:12:08	shrini	C-c C-x C-o to clock out
2020-06-13 16:12:15	shrini	showing demo on this
2020-06-13 16:12:46	shrini	if you press C-c C-x C-i   clock in starts
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2020-06-13 16:12:58	shrini	a drawer with LOGBOOK entry added below the task
2020-06-13 16:13:11	shrini	you can use TAB to expand the drawer
2020-06-13 16:13:29	shrini	once the task is done, clock out the task with C-c C-x C-o
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2020-06-13 16:13:56	shrini	once clock out, start time and end time with the total time spent is added
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2020-06-13 16:14:51	shrini	There are more items on this
2020-06-13 16:15:06	shrini	we can generate timesheets with this clock-in and clock-out
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2020-06-13 16:15:14	shrini	I am yet to learn on the timesheet studd
2020-06-13 16:15:16	shrini	stuff
2020-06-13 16:15:38	shrini	we can export the org-mode text file in so many formats like HTML, markdown, PDF and more
2020-06-13 16:15:40	shrini	C-c C-e h h (org-html-export-to-html)
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2020-06-13 16:15:52	shrini	now I am exporting to html file
2020-06-13 16:16:41	shrini	mohan43u: can you install links on that server?
2020-06-13 16:17:00	shrini	For now, we can export that org-mode file to html easily
2020-06-13 16:17:07	mohan43u	shrini: you can do it. use 'apt install links'
2020-06-13 16:17:11	shrini	ok
2020-06-13 16:17:17	mohan43u	shrini: sudo apt install links
2020-06-13 16:18:25	shrini	ok
2020-06-13 16:18:36	shrini	I am nearing the session end
2020-06-13 16:19:00	shrini	so, with this emacs, we can easily organizse the taks
2020-06-13 16:19:56	shrini	https://kushaldas.in/pages/hacker-ethic-and-free-software-movement.html
2020-06-13 16:20:06	shrini	read think link
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2020-06-13 16:20:24	shrini	this explains the history of the hacker culture and how emacs was buit
2020-06-13 16:20:42	shrini	https://sachachua.com/blog/emacs/
2020-06-13 16:20:55	shrini	this is a super site to get weekly news on emacs
2020-06-13 16:21:03	shrini	and many interviews with emacs users
2020-06-13 16:21:15	shrini	http://emacslife.com/ this is good to start with emacs
2020-06-13 16:21:35	Guha	where is your blog located
2020-06-13 16:21:39	stof9-9	?
2020-06-13 16:22:01	shrini	my blog is http://goinggnu.wordpress.com
2020-06-13 16:22:03	shrini	ask stof9-9
2020-06-13 16:22:16	shrini	https://karl-voit.at/ is good site to learn more about emacs
2020-06-13 16:22:20	stof9-9	any idea of syncronise *.org file to use it on android? that's why i use calddav for notes/tasks/...
2020-06-13 16:23:05	shrini	stof9-9: use any nextcloud server to sync
2020-06-13 16:23:24	stof9-9	and then emacs on android?
2020-06-13 16:23:25	shrini	on mobile we can use orgzly app
2020-06-13 16:23:40	stof9-9	ok. thanks
2020-06-13 16:23:49	shrini	orgzly app can read/write the orgmode files
2020-06-13 16:23:54	shrini	https://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/orgtutorial_dto.html
2020-06-13 16:24:02	shrini	this is good to start with org-mode
2020-06-13 16:24:28	shrini	mbuf is spreading emacs for many years
2020-06-13 16:24:42	rattlesnake	?
2020-06-13 16:24:46	shrini	due tomany hesitations to start with it, I feel that I have missed a great life
2020-06-13 16:24:47	gnurenga	!
2020-06-13 16:24:49	shrini	ask rattlesnake
2020-06-13 16:25:28	rattlesnake	Reccommendations on already existing templates
2020-06-13 16:25:30	stof9-9	?
2020-06-13 16:25:40	rattlesnake	for org mode organizers
2020-06-13 16:25:50	shrini	rattlesnake: there is no template
2020-06-13 16:26:02	shrini	just write down the tasks
2020-06-13 16:26:12	shrini	you will figure it on how to organizse them
2020-06-13 16:26:25	rattlesnake	setting a system that works for todos, and agenda is going to take a lot of time setting up and learning up
2020-06-13 16:26:31	shrini	just use heading,subheading and lot of sub sub headings
2020-06-13 16:26:39	shrini	yes
2020-06-13 16:26:50	shrini	https://www.williamhern.com/living-in-a-single-text-file.html
2020-06-13 16:26:54	shrini	read here
2020-06-13 16:26:59	mbuf	rattlesnake, you will find plenty of blogs and reading material online on how people use Org-mode; there is no one template that everyone uses; some of us in this channel participate in https://gitlab.com/shakthimaan/operation-blue-moon which you might want to explore
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2020-06-13 16:27:21	shrini	few people are using one big text file to add all there notes, tasks and all the life history on one big text file
2020-06-13 16:27:21	rattlesnake	since this is an open ended discussion, I will talk more on this after the sessions are over
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2020-06-13 16:27:48	gnurenga	shrini how to copy your sessions to text file ? is there a clean way to download you session notes in chat ??
2020-06-13 16:28:16	shrini	all IRC clients give ways to download logs
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2020-06-13 16:28:48	shrini	anyhow mohan43u will export and send alon with the minutes mail
2020-06-13 16:28:54	gnurenga	ok thanks
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2020-06-13 16:29:09	shrini	ask stof9-9
2020-06-13 16:29:28	stof9-9	"I feel that I have missed a great life" .. may i ask how long yur todo list is? :)
2020-06-13 16:30:10	shrini	stof9-9: 20k text file only
2020-06-13 16:30:19	shrini	with around 650 line
2020-06-13 16:30:43	shrini	using it for a month
2020-06-13 16:31:01	shrini	after reading this https://www.williamhern.com/living-in-a-single-text-file.html last week
2020-06-13 16:31:17	shrini	adding all my notes, todo, blog post drafts in a single file
2020-06-13 16:31:30	shrini	so that  we can keep all the stuff in one file
2020-06-13 16:32:02	shrini	like, to-do, to-buy, to-call, notes, meeting minutes, URLs everything in a single file
2020-06-13 16:32:07	shrini	under various heading
2020-06-13 16:32:22	shrini	TAB is so useful to hide the unused heading
2020-06-13 16:32:29	rattlesnake	?
2020-06-13 16:32:33	shrini	ask rattlesnake
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2020-06-13 16:33:09	rattlesnake	One thing that I have been missing while exploring note taking and todo with org mode is pictures
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2020-06-13 16:33:31	rattlesnake	images in org mode file, what is the easy way to do that.
2020-06-13 16:33:33	shrini	yes
2020-06-13 16:33:41	shrini	all the things is text based only
2020-06-13 16:33:51	mbuf	rattlesnake, you can link and view pictures in Org files
2020-06-13 16:34:13	shrini	check http://plaintextproject.online/
2020-06-13 16:34:21	mbuf	You can even generate output of code snippets, plot graphs using org-babel in an Org text file
2020-06-13 16:34:24	shrini	to more about the good features of plaintext
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2020-06-13 16:34:50	shrini	yes. emacs has all the wonders
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2020-06-13 16:34:57	shrini	we have to unlock one by one
2020-06-13 16:35:04	shrini	start with baby steps
2020-06-13 16:35:20	rattlesnake	I used a few specialised note taking applications earlier, I just used to paste images there. Was struggling for that on org mode. Will checkout the resources that you shared
2020-06-13 16:35:28	shrini	it is a skill like GNU/Linux, cycling, cooking -  skills that will help for our lifetime
2020-06-13 16:36:16	shrini	I am done with my session
2020-06-13 16:36:28	stof9-9	thanks
2020-06-13 16:36:40	shrini	thanks to mohan mohan43u for develpoing meetty
2020-06-13 16:36:41	mohan43u	thank you shrini for the wonderful demo
2020-06-13 16:36:57	shrini	and hosting on training.ilugc.in
2020-06-13 16:36:58	gnurenga	@shrini thanks c+uparrow is a life saver I got to know
2020-06-13 16:37:05	humachine	That was very nice and informational. Thanks shrini
2020-06-13 16:37:16	mohan43u	we will have a 5 min break before we start the next session
2020-06-13 16:37:26	kushal6	Thank you shrini
2020-06-13 16:38:01	mohan43u	next session is from kushal6 about "Contributing to LTP - Linux Test Project"
2020-06-13 16:38:36	gnurenga	@shrini thanks ALT+uparrow is a life saver I got to know
2020-06-13 16:38:55	gnurenga	sorry corrected my mistake
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2020-06-13 16:42:52	linuxbaskar	?
2020-06-13 16:43:19	kushal6	Hi everyone, this is Kushal here. I would like to begin with a note on how I got into my first open source contribution. I work for an organization in Chennai, we are constantly committed towards the contribution of many open source projects. I was assigned a task to write a test case for LTP (more on that soon) and that is how I got started. I am
2020-06-13 16:43:19	kushal6	a beginner with Linux and programming, so please correct me whenever you feel I am wrong.
2020-06-13 16:44:57	kushal6	And I guess I am gonna be sending long texts like the one above. So don't mind.
2020-06-13 16:46:25	kushal6	Let us begin with what is LTP
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2020-06-13 16:47:54	kushal6	LTP is a testsuite which tests Linux kernel and other features.It was started by a group of organisations namely SGI, OSDL and Bull and is maintained by IBM, Cisco, Fujitsu, SUSE, Red Hat, Oracle. That is what their README tells.
2020-06-13 16:48:56	kushal6	Let us get back to the history of LTP and why it was started in the first place. You develop a project, test it and deploy it. What happens when the size of the project grows?
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2020-06-13 16:49:40	kushal6	You get to test a lot of code. You must keep adding to the tests. Because testing makes a project reliable. Linux was started like this. And soon it got so huge.
2020-06-13 16:49:51	kushal6	Imagine one side developers developing the code base which is going to be the heart of so many Operating Systems and on the other hand testing the features being added.
2020-06-13 16:50:13	kushal6	There was no such framework to test the kernel until LTP was launched. Developers used to do all the hard work by themselves.
2020-06-13 16:50:50	kushal6	The bugs were reported by users who used it for general purpose. This kind of testing is known as ad-hoc testing. wherein there is no documentation and planning for how test cases are written. Hence the need for a planned way of testing the kernel was required. That is where the need for LTP arises. Until LTP was framed there was little being done
2020-06-13 16:50:51	kushal6	to test the kernel in an efficient way. That is when these organisations joined hands to test the kernel. Through the development of an open source project like LTP, the contributors to test the kernel and the reliability, stability and robustness of the kernel increased.
2020-06-13 16:52:07	kushal6	So you might have an idea about what is Linux Test project (LTP), but asking why contribute to LTP, why test the kernel in the first place? There are many answers to this.
2020-06-13 16:53:14	kushal6	For an open source contributor it is easy to realise how adding one simple file or making a small change in the project results in enhancing the project, for a naive user like me it could be ensuring or fixing a bug, which they found out in an android device which runs on linux, which is in turn related to a bad syscall test case or something which
2020-06-13 16:53:14	kushal6	hasn’t tested yet. This user can at least report an issue of what happened.
2020-06-13 16:54:28	kushal6	It is all about making a piece of software a better version of itself with every push. And the Linux kernel is running on millions of devices and any failure or an unseen error can cause these many devices to be under threat. So the answer for a more stable kernel in its next release is contribution to LTP. Hence contributing to LTP results in a
2020-06-13 16:54:28	kushal6	robust kernel, which in turn is running on all the handheld smart devices.
2020-06-13 16:55:39	kushal6	Things to know before you get started with LTP: Compiling a custom kernel, basics of Linux system programming, basics of git.
2020-06-13 16:56:09	kushal6	The need to know how to compile a kernel is: Always test your code on a stable kernel, you might be writing tests which can run only on a given kernel version or it could be like the bug is applicable only for a particular kernel version.
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2020-06-13 16:56:55	kushal6	System programming is essential because in the end you will be testing syscalls, an understanding of syscalls and their role and how to implement them will give you a head start to test the syscall. You have to know the working of what you are testing, right? I shall talk about why git is required towards the end.
2020-06-13 16:57:51	kushal6	To start with there are issues posted on the git page of LTP. So anyone willing to contribute can get started easily through the issue description and documents related to writing test cases which are a part of the git repo.
2020-06-13 16:58:39	kushal6	To get started, we definitely have to clone the repo. Configure it and build it. Please ensure that the production system satisfies the dependencies for LTP before building it.
2020-06-13 16:59:38	kushal6	Guys I will try to disconnect and connect back
2020-06-13 16:59:41	kushal6	Just give me a moment
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2020-06-13 17:00:32	kushal6	Our main aim was to test a syscall particularly mmap(). So I will be sticking to where files related so syscalls are present and how to build them later in the talk.
2020-06-13 17:01:01	kushalchand	So let us start with a demo
2020-06-13 17:01:10	kushalchand	I will be posting here what is going on
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2020-06-13 17:03:05	mohan43u	kushal is having connectivity issues
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2020-06-13 17:04:09	gnurenga	Building kernel might be freezing his system
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2020-06-13 17:05:26	mohan43u	if training.ilugc.in disconnected for you. please reconnect
2020-06-13 17:05:52	kushalchand	Hey
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2020-06-13 17:06:04	kushalchand	We can just make install and run all tests present inside LTP or even run a single test case. The build system is so robust that after you make install you can also run all the tests belonging to one given syscall.
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2020-06-13 17:06:11	kushalchand	Continuing where I left
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2020-06-13 17:07:11	kushalchand	A key thing to keep in mind is you don’t install and run LTP on your work machine. I was advised to run it on a Virtual Machine, I will just tell you to ensure there are no important files in the machine you are going to run LTP and write test cases for the Linux kernel.
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2020-06-13 17:08:32	kushalchand	we can now watch the presenter terminal
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2020-06-13 17:09:21	kushalchand	So now I am cloning the git repo
2020-06-13 17:09:26	kushalchand	https://github.com/linux-test-project/ltp.git
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2020-06-13 17:10:23	kushalchand	the testcases directory are where all type of tests are kept
2020-06-13 17:10:50	kushalchand	We are gonna concentrate on kernel so let us look what is inside this directory
2020-06-13 17:11:09	kushalchand	I have entered syscalls
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2020-06-13 17:12:32	kushalchand	this is the list of syscall tested under LTP
2020-06-13 17:12:47	kushalchand	I have navigated to the mmap dir.
2020-06-13 17:13:07	kushalchand	One issue I face when testing all the test cases was time. You have to be patient. The system might not respond well during this phase and freeze at some particular instruction but if your goal can only be achieved by running the whole suite then please be patient. I ran all the test cases when i was just following their README but I had to abort
2020-06-13 17:13:07	kushalchand	it because it didn’t go beyond a particular point in testing. Hence please make sure you grab your beverage of choice which has to be coffee before you start running LTP.
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2020-06-13 17:13:34	kushalchand	One issue I face when testing all the test cases was time. You have to be patient. The system might not respond well during this phase and freeze at some particular instruction but if your goal can only be achieved by running the whole suite then please be patient. I ran all the test cases when i was just following their README but I had to abort
2020-06-13 17:13:35	kushalchand	it because it didn’t go beyond a particular point in testing. Hence please make sure you grab your beverage of choice which has to be coffee before you start running LTP.
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2020-06-13 17:14:28	kushalchand	Let us now try to build LTP
2020-06-13 17:15:54	mohan43u	kushalchand: use 'sudo apt install make'
2020-06-13 17:16:01	kushalchand	And yes there is an option to write test cases in a shell script. But I stuck to the C language.
2020-06-13 17:16:10	kushalchand	Thankyou mohan43u
2020-06-13 17:16:53	kushalchand	So you can navigate to the syscall you want to test, run make and execute the output file to see how they have built the system.
2020-06-13 17:16:54	mohan43u	sudo apt install build-essential automake
2020-06-13 17:17:26	kushalchand	And LTP is a vast project, I might be covering only what I have learnt and used. One can always read the docs to know more for one’s particular use case.
2020-06-13 17:18:47	kushalchand	So I chose to write the test case in C. Most important thing, CODING STYLE. They follow the Linux kernel coding style and you have to stick to it. We might know what things to keep in mind when writing the test code, but running checkpatch.pl on your file after each time you make any change is the way to go for me.
2020-06-13 17:19:18	kushalchand	So after installing the dependency errory
2020-06-13 17:19:22	kushalchand	I am configuring the LTP now
2020-06-13 17:19:26	kushalchand	with ./configure
2020-06-13 17:19:54	kushalchand	Now let us try to run a test case
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2020-06-13 17:22:11	kushalchand	Ok there are some issues
2020-06-13 17:22:14	kushalchand	let us move on
2020-06-13 17:22:26	kushalchand	So once you have found an issue or a syscall which is yet to be tested, what next?
2020-06-13 17:22:33	gnurenga	there is an error
2020-06-13 17:22:36	kushalchand	So once you have found an issue or a syscall which is yet to be tested, what next?
2020-06-13 17:23:01	kushalchand	yes gnurenga
2020-06-13 17:23:32	gnurenga	some dependency is missing
2020-06-13 17:23:39	gnurenga	while you configure
2020-06-13 17:23:56	kushalchand	Yes
2020-06-13 17:24:07	kushalchand	I will try to fix it
2020-06-13 17:25:04	kushalchand	./configure: line 6111: syntax error near unexpected token `LIBMNL,'                                      │···················································
2020-06-13 17:25:05	kushalchand	./configure: line 6111: `    PKG_CHECK_MODULES(LIBMNL, libmnl,
2020-06-13 17:25:08	kushalchand	Oops sorry
2020-06-13 17:25:19	kushalchand	There is a default test skeleton which the docs provide, which mostly does the job if you are going to write a basic test case.
2020-06-13 17:26:34	kushalchand	The hands behind LTP have created a structure which handles all the testing process. You just have to initialise it with members according to your need.
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2020-06-13 17:26:46	mohan43u	try 'apt install libmnl-dev'
2020-06-13 17:26:57	mohan43u	'sudo apt install libmnl-dev'
2020-06-13 17:27:01	kushalchand	since there are 17 mmap test cases
2020-06-13 17:27:14	kushalchand	I will create a file called mmap18.c
2020-06-13 17:28:15	mohan43u	sorry. need to fix the configure first to more forward
2020-06-13 17:28:45	gnurenga	install pkg-config
2020-06-13 17:29:23	kushalchand	Thank you
2020-06-13 17:29:37	kushalchand	this is the skeleton of basic test case
2020-06-13 17:30:06	kushalchand	Let’s say you are testing a syscall or a feature of a syscall which was added after a given particular kernel release. Then adding the test case with no minimum kernel requirement will result in a failure on older kernels.
2020-06-13 17:31:07	mohan43u	kushalchand: we can do experiments after meeting. continue with the talk
2020-06-13 17:32:29	kushalchand	There is a structure member for this where you can specify the minimum kernel the system should be running on, if the version isn’t met then the test fails automatically and gives a message telling you the configuration was not met.
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2020-06-13 17:33:00	kushalchand	All this happens under the hood of LTP, You just have to enter the version and release number. And you are safe.
2020-06-13 17:33:01	kushalchand	So there are other members like which function to be called when the test is run. You might be thinking isn’t there a main in every test case? No, the main() is within another file.
2020-06-13 17:33:30	kushalchand	A quick insight which I’d like to share. Some test files do contain main(). Now I don’t know the reason why they have main() and how LTP is handling it. But one difference I found is they are using a different header file called test.h but the latest LTP doc tells us that main is in tst_test.h, these test cases might be old and a few have years
2020-06-13 17:33:31	kushalchand	dating back to 2001. So that might be the reason. I didn’t look into the test.h file, so I can’t really tell how it is working.
2020-06-13 17:34:30	kushalchand	So this is where the main is
2020-06-13 17:34:44	kushalchand	All I know is stick to the latest guidelines which are on the git when you start writing a test case. Which will make it easier for you to write code without any confusions and make the people at LTP to accept the patch with fewer complications.
2020-06-13 17:35:05	kushalchand	So simply put, you just have to add one function which will comprise one test case, assign the function name to the test_all member of the structure. You might invoke other functions with this single function.
2020-06-13 17:35:37	kushalchand	So once you have written the basic structure. You have to output the results of the tests, this is done using the test framework itself. There is a function called tst_res which is part of the tst_test.h, and through the use of macros you can print an output message and the result of the test, whether it has passed or failed or there was a
2020-06-13 17:35:38	kushalchand	configuration issue. I am not touching this in detail as there are lots of things to be taken care of.
2020-06-13 17:36:11	gnurenga	!
2020-06-13 17:36:51	kushalchand	Remember how you can run all test cases present in LTP by running the whole project? Well seems like the test case you just wrote won’t run on running LTP. For this you have to add the test case to the runtest directory within LTP. The runtest directory consists of all the executables which has to be run when ./runltp is called. So you just have
2020-06-13 17:36:52	kushalchand	to add the executable name inside the directory for your syscall and the job is done.
2020-06-13 17:37:00	kushalchand	yes gnurenga
2020-06-13 17:37:42	gnurenga	in INSTALL file you will have all the dependencies mentioned for compilation
2020-06-13 17:37:48	gnurenga	it is  ltp/INSTALL
2020-06-13 17:38:34	gnurenga	check on top
2020-06-13 17:38:36	mohan43u	gnurenga: its is not the time to do fixing.
2020-06-13 17:38:53	gnurenga	ok
2020-06-13 17:39:01	mohan43u	gnurenga: we should have prepared the environment before. it our mistake
2020-06-13 17:39:23	mohan43u	gnurenga: lets continue with the talk
2020-06-13 17:39:27	gnurenga	ok
2020-06-13 17:39:28	mohan43u	kushalchand: please continue
2020-06-13 17:39:36	kushalchand	Remember how you can run all test cases present in LTP by running the whole project? Well seems like the test case you just wrote won’t run on running LTP. For this you have to add the test case to the runtest directory within LTP. The runtest directory consists of all the executables which has to be run when ./runltp is called. So you just have
2020-06-13 17:39:37	kushalchand	to add the executable name inside the directory for your syscall and the job is done.
2020-06-13 17:40:24	kushalchand	You might be wondering, I have written the test, compiled it, ran it and it was successful. What next? First and foremost check for coding-style errors using checkpatch. Once that is done. See the status of the git repo. There must be at least 3 files you changed. The testfile, gitignore file, file in the runtest directory
2020-06-13 17:40:39	kushalchand	As per the guidelines it is better to have a single commit message for all the changes you have made. As a lot of commit messages will make the Log readable.
2020-06-13 17:41:05	kushalchand	There are ways to merge all the commit messages into a single one, I used git rebase to perform this. It was quick to learn. It gives you a history of commit messages and you can merge them into one single commit from there. You might have to use this in circumstances where your patch is not accepted by LTP, so you have to make changes, add them,
2020-06-13 17:41:06	kushalchand	commit them, merge two commits. This loop could run until ’n’ times. So it is better to learn it in the first commit.
2020-06-13 17:43:02	kushalchand	Next comes generating the patch. I used the git format-patch command to do this. It was quite easy. It just takes the commit ID and generates the patch for you. You might be thinking the next step is to mail the patch to the LTP? Sadly no.
2020-06-13 17:43:45	kushalchand	we have build it successfully this time
2020-06-13 17:43:57	kushalchand	let us focus on the terminal for a while now
2020-06-13 17:44:06	kushalchand	any questions until now?
2020-06-13 17:45:03	mohan43u	kushalchand: sudo make install will not work
2020-06-13 17:45:06	kushalchand	can someone provide me password for trainer?
2020-06-13 17:45:10	kushalchand	oops
2020-06-13 17:45:11	kushalchand	alright
2020-06-13 17:45:45	kushalchand	let us run make here
2020-06-13 17:46:00	kushalchand	you can see it is compiling all 17 files present
2020-06-13 17:46:16	kushalchand	we now have the output files
2020-06-13 17:46:25	kushalchand	we can run any testcase we wish to
2020-06-13 17:46:30	kushalchand	let us run the first one
2020-06-13 17:46:57	kushalchand	You can see the output. TPASS was set to indicate the test passed.
2020-06-13 17:47:12	kushalchand	There are other flags inside LTP like TCONF, TFAIL
2020-06-13 17:47:30	kushalchand	let us now create the mmap18.c
2020-06-13 17:47:35	kushalchand	and write a sample test case
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2020-06-13 17:48:13	kushalchand	so this is the test case ltp provides us basically
2020-06-13 17:48:27	kushalchand	you can see mmp18.c in the list
2020-06-13 17:48:35	kushalchand	now if I run make
2020-06-13 17:48:47	kushalchand	It is going to compile
2020-06-13 17:48:53	kushalchand	and give us mmap18
2020-06-13 17:49:19	kushalchand	let us run mmap18
2020-06-13 17:49:51	kushalchand	so this test case does a simple job, print a message with TPASS macro
2020-06-13 17:49:57	kushalchand	you can see
2020-06-13 17:50:12	kushalchand	test_all is assigned to the function name we want to run
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2020-06-13 17:50:55	kushalchand	if the kernel version is lower than this
2020-06-13 17:51:16	kushalchand	LTP will automatically fail returning TCONF with appropriate error message
2020-06-13 17:51:39	kushalchand	You can see the o/p of the test
2020-06-13 17:51:52	Guha	can you open me a test_case
2020-06-13 17:51:56	kushalchand	yes
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2020-06-13 17:52:00	kushalchand	we shall soon
2020-06-13 17:52:23	kushalchand	let us add the mmap18 to the .gitignore file now
2020-06-13 17:52:29	Guha	i missed few initial sessions
2020-06-13 17:53:07	kushalchand	That is alright I have just started the demo, because I ran in some issue
2020-06-13 17:53:20	kushalchand	mmap18 not present initially
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2020-06-13 17:54:03	kushalchand	so now we have added the executable to the gitignore file
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2020-06-13 17:54:47	kushalchand	let us see the status of our local repo
2020-06-13 17:55:02	kushalchand	there are 2 changes
2020-06-13 17:55:10	kushalchand	we have added one file
2020-06-13 17:55:14	kushalchand	and modified another
2020-06-13 17:55:31	kushalchand	since we cannot build ltp now by using make install
2020-06-13 17:55:59	Hell4	on successul commit through git, how to view it in git reposirory
2020-06-13 17:56:06	kushalchand	this is the test I wrote
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2020-06-13 17:56:22	kushalchand	You can go to the issue and check
2020-06-13 17:56:30	Hell4	scroll down
2020-06-13 17:56:32	kushalchand	or else you will get email responses from LTP
2020-06-13 17:56:45	mbuf	kushalchand, you are way past your time limit! Please conclude soon.
2020-06-13 17:56:47	kushalchand	I open two files
2020-06-13 17:57:26	kushalchand	first mmap call
2020-06-13 17:57:36	kushalchand	i receive a free address
2020-06-13 17:57:51	kushalchand	provide the received address to second call
2020-06-13 17:58:33	kushalchand	Any questions
2020-06-13 17:58:38	kushalchand	I am planning to end the session
2020-06-13 17:58:53	kushalchand	Next comes generating the patch. I used the git format-patch command to do this. It was quite easy. It just takes the commit ID and generates the patch for you. You might be thinking the next step is to mail the patch to the LTP? Sadly no.
2020-06-13 17:58:53	kushalchand	Add a description of the patch, to the patch file itself, you must sign off your work, which is generally adding your name and email to the patch file. It is just like declaration that you as a developer are contributing under the open source license.
2020-06-13 17:59:01	kushalchand	Still there is a lot to do, LTP prefers the patch to be mailed to their list directly. Hence you have to sign up for the mail list, configure your gitconfig file, use git send-email to finally send the patch. And if it gets accepted in the first version, then finally you get the good feeling of having a file in the local repository pushed to an
2020-06-13 17:59:02	kushalchand	online repository. This was my first contribution to an open source project and it definitely feels special. I thank my organization and their goal towards contribution to open source projects which has set me on this path. I plan to work on such contributions during my free time.
2020-06-13 17:59:02	kushalchand	Now I will touch on my testcase a little and issues faced.
2020-06-13 17:59:03	kushalchand	We tested the mmap() syscall, which is used to create a mapping for a file or device in the virtual address space. Among various flags for mmap() we tested the MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE which was developed as an enhancement to the MAP_FIXED flag. The MAP_FIXED flag is used to map files to the exact address provided. This flag discards any existing
2020-06-13 17:59:03	kushalchand	mapping if present at the address specified. Hence MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE was introduced so that it checks for any existing mapping and fails if any such mapping is present. Otherwise the MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE flag behaves the same way as MAP_FIXED. We tested the same by mapping to a free address in the address space, then passing the same address with
2020-06-13 17:59:04	kushalchand	MAP_FIXED_NOREPLACE flag and it resulted in a failure as expected.
2020-06-13 18:00:41	kushalchand	eof
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2020-06-13 18:02:07	Guha	Thanks. I found an interesting article to much know about git for project to work .https://www.digitalocean.com/community/tutorials/how-to-use-git-to-manage-your-writing-project
2020-06-13 18:02:22	mohan43u	kushalchand: thank you for the talk and demo
2020-06-13 18:02:45	gnurenga	@ku
2020-06-13 18:02:49	kushalchand	I'm really sorry for taking more time than alotted
2020-06-13 18:02:55	gnurenga	kushalchand thank you
2020-06-13 18:03:01	kushalchand	I was thinking to extend it but couldn't inform you
2020-06-13 18:03:02	stof9-9	thanks
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2020-06-13 18:03:33	kushalchand	And the usage of VM, and switching back to the host consumed a lot of time
2020-06-13 18:04:03	stof9-9	i can imaging. it was a good session! thanks
2020-06-13 18:04:11	kushalchand	Thank you
2020-06-13 18:04:18	kushalchand	Also I hope to be back here soon
2020-06-13 18:04:33	mohan43u	since the time run out, I'm posponding my talk to next occation (i'm planning to host sessions in training.ilugc.in every week)
2020-06-13 18:04:34	kushalchand	I have found a new issue and going to contribute to that this weekend
2020-06-13 18:04:43	kushalchand	Next time I shall keep it precise.
2020-06-13 18:04:57	mbuf	kushalchand, if you had thought of a demo, it could have been mentioned in the talk, and you could have tested the same prior to the session; nevertheless, it was quite informative; thank you for the session
2020-06-13 18:05:13	kushalchand	I didn't knw that we could give demos like this
2020-06-13 18:05:21	kushalchand	As I'm very new to this setup.
2020-06-13 18:05:44	gnurenga	kushalchand Cheers no worries
2020-06-13 18:05:44	kushalchand	I realised fixing dependency issues can kill time
2020-06-13 18:05:50	kushalchand	(y)
2020-06-13 18:05:55	mohan43u	kushalchand: no issues, next time we will prepare the env better
2020-06-13 18:06:01	kushalchand	Thank you for your support
2020-06-13 18:06:12	kushalchand	No the environment wasn't the issue
2020-06-13 18:06:39	mbuf	kushalchand, there is always something to learn every day! it is always good to have new speakers to present anything F/OSS-related and we encourage that
2020-06-13 18:06:52	kushalchand	Thank you
2020-06-13 18:07:16	mbuf	Let's wrap it up with a round of introductions, and then you can enjoy your Saturday evening
2020-06-13 18:07:34	mohan43u	I would like everyone to introduce yourself by typing '/me name,place-from,occupation,about-yourself'
2020-06-13 18:08:32	kushalchand	Kushal, Chennai, Engineer, I am a tech enthusiast, still a beginner, lots to learn.
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2020-06-13 18:08:45	 *	mohan43u Mohan R, Chennai, Dev, FOSS enthusiasist and like to learn anything related to Linux/FOSS communities
2020-06-13 18:08:50	 *	mbuf Shakthi Kannan, Chennai, Researcher @ IIT Madras, Work on anything Free Software
2020-06-13 18:09:46	 *	gnurenga Rengaraj, Chennai, Senior Engineer Gogoair, GNU/Linux user
2020-06-13 18:09:55	mbuf	Please feel free to hang in the channel whenever you are online, listen in to conversations, participate in discussions and learn from each other.
2020-06-13 18:10:14	mbuf	We also organize the Emacs Asia-Pacific (APAC) virtual meet-up on fourth Saturday of every month. Detail announcement will be made on ILUG-C mailing list and on IRC (#emacs, #ilugc).
2020-06-13 18:10:44	mohan43u	kushalchand: how did you fixed that build issue? I missed that part, you moved quickly to next
2020-06-13 18:10:52	 *	aswin Aswin, Chennai, Software Developer at a private company
2020-06-13 18:11:08	 *	humachine ranjith, trichy, system admin in private company, love to work in linux and FOSS
2020-06-13 18:11:26	kushalchand	I hadn't done anything mohan43u I just started a fresh.
2020-06-13 18:11:27	 *	stof9-9 stof, chennai, trying to have as less TODO as possible, gives a good mood (mood.cmdt.ch) :)
2020-06-13 18:11:37	 *	shrini shrinivasan, Chennai, DevOps, Kaniyam.com
2020-06-13 18:11:48	mohan43u	kushalchand: god damit make :0
2020-06-13 18:12:11	gnurenga	kushalchand did you cleaned it
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2020-06-13 18:12:25	kushalchand	I just sent something huge to read, and tried it in the background.
2020-06-13 18:12:29	kushalchand	No.
2020-06-13 18:12:45	kushalchand	see I have two dirs project and ltp
2020-06-13 18:13:32	gnurenga	hmmm
2020-06-13 18:14:10	kushalchand	I just thought it might work. So gave it a shot
2020-06-13 18:14:21	mbuf	Let's end the meet-up. The floor is open for any Q&A and discussions. Thanks everyone for attending!