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The futureAre hostile to to democracy one of these ways is that there's gonna be a big computer that does everything for us and we all just get a universal basic income.
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And this is very much associated with the AI world people like read Hoffman books like deep utopia a second vision is one that you know.Bitcoin another cryptographic protocols willWipe away the need to have community wipe away the need to have government make all those things irrelevant and turn everything into sometihing called capitalism this has gotten some attention recently because.The man who was just nominated to be the vice president of the United States by the Republican party is sort of an inherent of this ideology.But we believe that there is a vision of the future of technology that's much more consistent with democracy and that actually under lies the Internet under lies things like Star Trek cultural phenomena and Audrey has played a major role in its development.This is what we call plurality and it has three basic principles first it says something about what the world is that it's not made up of a social hole and isolated individuals but instead by diverse intersecting social groups.Who's intersection creates both individual identity and the social fabric and we represent the basic notion by a universal coded character that one of the least commonly used one so it's not associated with any particularRepresents the intersection these intersecting squares and this is how Hana are at the great philosopher use the term plurality in her book the human condition and that's kind of one vision of where the word plurality comes from.A second meaning is what should we societies look like and then the basic idea there is that social diversity has potential energy and society succeeded to the extent they manage to harness that energy rather than losing it as heat.Work in conflict.And we represent that by this rainbow at the center of the intersection of those two squares and associated with the philosophy of Danielle Allen I contemporary political philosopher Hannah Arendt.Who work on connected society advocated this idea.And finally we associated with what we should be doing namely the digital technologies can be the engines and harness the potential energy of social diversity in the same way that industrial technology built engines to harness.You know fossil fuels potential energy and nuclear technology built engines to harness the atom and we associated with these two congee here which in traditional mandarin are mean shoe way which is both digital and plural at the same time so I was that.It will minister but also the minister of pluralism.And this font was itself designed by students as part of the civic participation project so it also represents the values themselves.These values are very much instantiated in the Taiwanese digital democracy Taiwan has really gotten to a remarkable place using this it's the highest median income country in the world at PPP..You know digital economy will lead to increasing inequality they've actually declining inequality over this last decade in which they've seen this particular explosion in digital technology in all of the world has declining democracy now in many indices Taiwan is the leading or if not one of the top 10 Strongest democracy.Strongest democracies in the world only having had democracy for 35 years now and you might think that this comes from the fact that it's a small island you know maybe homogeneous but if you if you think that then you should see what it was like 10 years ago when their national problem it was occupied for three weeks by students.We're not happy about a trade agreement.And in 10 years after the development of this work.They are now still having very deep divides over what the society is so I went to their election in January considered to be maybe the freest and Ferris in this year of many.Elections and at the of the ruling party there was no national flags only green flags pictures of the island and rainbow flax where is it the opposition rally everyone was caring the national flag.This is the government that doesn't even use the national flag this is the government that doesn't even use the name of the jurisdiction in English.AndYet from that profound divide of what the country even is they've managed to nonetheless make an extremely successful digital democracy using tools which harnessed the energy from social diversity.That you come from those conflicts for co-creation one of these very famous men if you probably know g0v (gov-zero) this is where you download the government websites you improve on them and you put them up at a shadow version of the website G0V instead instead of GOV.Another one is the Taiwan this is a depolarizing social media where you can do microblogging but rather than hiding the social divisions and harnessing them to get engagement instead you surface the social divisions.And then I highlight the things where people agree across those divisions this is resulted and doesn't of pieces of legislation in Taiwan I hope this will inspire many of you to join us in that project of bringing this to the world.And I've been part of that co-creation yourselves and I'm looking forward to discussion after we hear a little bit from Audrey about digital Republican construction.Thank you very much.Audrey go to the slide with my face.333.There's a number three.Yeah literally with the number three there's a slide with the number three on it.OK.Just go go a few away on it it was on it.Yes dessert so three more after three after yes yes.OK.So just to add a little bit to what does actually means to build engines that harness the energy of conflict into coke creation because Taiwan like JapanIn the east Asian culture sphere sometime we see conflict as something that must be managed something that must be turned down if you see fire in the ground you can put it out by you erase the fire.But there's also a different kind of thinking this is fire on the ground and think oh there's oil underneath I should drill to to get the energy source so not being afraid of conflict but harnessing the conflictInto different new ideas that is the basic idea of shoe way of technologies for collaborative diversity recently I learned that here you have used the "talk to the city."Tour that we also used in Taiwan as a open source to where you can have very conflicting information from 10,000s of people but it used to be it's impossible to avoid conflict if you have this many very strong opinions.But now because of language modeling because of visualization and actually this complex creates new sensitized information that you cannot get just by individually interviewing people you see the whole trend of the conversations going on.And this is what we call it digital participation infrastructure our DPI so in Taiwan we have many many different kind of infrastructures since 2017 when a year after I became digital minister.Or maybe you comes from the difference motorcycles or something and it's very difficult when you only have the conflict being paper down to actually get what's actually going on and so we have a infrastructure at the time called airbox.So it's a very cheap like are we know raspberry Pi hardware and we have the budget to get all the primary schools and also students at home balcony and so they all put in air sensors PM2.5And stay right to a distributed ledger DOT I think it was IOTA at the time and so because of that the people do not need the government to have the numbers that trust only by minister..Budget and the central government does not control that the block chain is not a block but anyway it is religion the government does not control the interpretation of such measurements but just make it widely available so that we have high resolution measurements.No when you have high resolution measurement you know exactly where the air pollution comes from and so the conflict turns into co-creation into better ideas about air pollution the same technique have them been used to measure water quality using water box as well.For large conflict for people go to the street for referenda to occupy the parliament in order to respond with participation infrastructure we want to know what what is incoming what is emerging and so we then in 2017,2018.Started this idea called presidential hack and we use quadratic voting to let people have an say in what future projects are the most likely to harness this conflict into creation and then we will make sure that those local projects get the national funding to become infrastructure on the next yearbut at the time we used the science fun funding for it the problem of science funding is that it usually runs for three years or four years and then if you do not publish a paper you don't have more maintenance anymore.I'm in so when we encountered this issue in 2022 when we started the additional ministry we talked to our legislators about which committee we should be in because you see we are in charge of AI platform of buying some NVIDIA chips.So people can do compute unassured infrastructure that sounds like economy committee or we're in charge of cyber security that sounds like interior or defense or we are in charge of scientific research when it comes to show scientific research that can be used by the public web.That sounds like science or education but we didn't go to those committees we ended up going to the transportation committee and the reason is that by going to the transportation committee you have access to a different kind of budget it's called infrastructure budget.In Mandarin and that kind of budget is like really building an airport really building a train station and the argument is that when we built like a air quality sensors when we built water sensors and things like that.It has this property that unless everybody interoperate then it has no effect right if everybody has a different measurements than there and then don't share a ledger there is no good in this so it's something that is only good.If it interoperates our infrastructure level is called super modular it is written in the book right the sum is much longer locker larger than the individual parts and so this is very much like a train station or a airport.If you have airport that are built by airlines like Facebook or TikTok or whatever right if you have things that lock things in if the airport only fly a single airline and to go to a different airline have to go to a different airport there will be no air industry.The same goes for train stations or subway stations and so our argument is that this interoperability as long as it does not lock you in to the future applications on top of it that it should qualify for infrastructure budgetSo that is how we successfully got the infrastructure for privacy perverse prevent a private privacy enhancing for PTs for the different government agencies to share the statistics to share the mission learning model.Without sharing the raw data this is how we got the shared computation and digital signature infrastructure for small median enterprises this is how we got the idea of people getting cash because TSMC paid too much tax then we anticSo we give everybody US$200 cashback and that become an infrastructure so you can use it for coupon for voucher for things like that and then finally we also have the infrastructure budget that builds a shared wallet system so that using the ID essential as identifier.We can have credentials that are recognized by Japan or by different places without relying on a single certificate or therapy we can have distributed certificate authority and that is also like airport also like train station and so long story short.I think it is three things to remember first it always start from the conflict the energy from the civil society sensing that is something wrong with the current system and then the civic infrastructure that is prototype it should be be promoted  into national view.this is the first step the second step the national view should have the super modularity in mind if it is only good for one private sector company then it's not worth it to use a public budget it's not worth it to use infrastructure moneySo you need to design incentive like quadratic voting to surface the ideas to solve the same problem but has more infrastructure potential this is the second step you have to have a filter of some sort and said when you have the budget then always compare that to a highway.Because information super highway is very cheap compared to actual highway so you can very easily get budget if you compare it to highways if you compare it to research lab projects it sounds the same but if you compare it to actual airports actual translation actual highways then you're much easier to argue.Thank you very much, Audrey.Check.Yeah DPI we like to semantically overload that we have about 15 different digital privacy.Digital participation infrastructure.ChooseYeah.You can scan QR code or enter this number.This is digital presentation infrastructure (DPI).Please.Do you want to talk a little bit about super modularity.Are you OK. Syuwei.Subway is number like shoe is number right but Shuai means a several more like.So she Shuai Pooja means also many ministers several ministers so so she means a number of a number a number of minister so literally means plural like more than what.Usually we in mandarin when we say shoe it means like more than two but in the English digital means 10 I like 10 fingers digits right and so it carries this notion of many.Right so we just where we said digital plurality it means digital is not singularity digital is not one single thing and that's the main idea that client shared in the beginning because if you think of digital it's just one Artificial general intelligence.that knows everything sees everything does everything that that is actually not the place where the dish technology you should go we should stir it away from that thinking.It sounds like quantum comupting.Glenn: Yes. we have a paper about this and they're definitely analogies but I think exactly how it all works I don't think we fully understand yet but you know.Quantum mechanics has a lot of similarities to what we're saying in plurality it's about the notion that things can be.Very relational.There's even some mathematical connection between quantum decoherence and quadratic Voting stuff.I think those are two things that we know there's a nice.Conceptual analogy and there is some like very formalistic mathematical connection.Beyond those two ends of the spectrum like what that actually means for the work I don't think has been figured out yet but I'm very excited to see if someone can figure it out.Super modularity.Yeah do you want to tackle this sure OK so in is there anything other than yet there's great so.Super modularity is literally the mathematical concept that a function evaluated supermodularity is mathematical idea that implies to set valued functions.So supernatural is the notion that the function applied to a two sets that make up.The whole.The sum of those is less than when you apply to the whole it literally is the idea for Aristotle that the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.And it is a generalization of the idea of increasing returns in economics so an economic idea of increasing returns is that the more you do the lower the unit cost or the more you do The greater the output per unit input.The greater the output per unit input.But that's for like a single input etc. super modularity is the general.Notion that if we put things together and do them together we might be able to achieve more than we can achieve on the things separately.And.It's very well-known and economics that when you have super modularity when you have increasing returns that standard market economics doesn't lead to equilibrium doesn't lead to an optimum etc. and.This is the general idea that lies behind things like public goods etc. the public goods is a very specific case public good is the case where it's you know just has to be available to everyone with no barriers or whatever super modularity is much more general notion than byBy combining things together we can achieve more than by leaving them separately and so plurality which is not based on sort of universal or there's one input or whatever but based on the notion that in localized way in particular places we can combine things together and get more by working together in someway.That's really that where the idea of super modularity shine.Yes and Glenn has a paper on that cip.org/super modular so if you're a economist or a sociologist you can easily follow the link and analysis but the main idea is that we without participation.Infrastructure with our collective intelligence there is simply no enough signal to govern something that is super modular if you rely on price alone in the market this is a core insight everything else is written up on that paper.Thank you.So if you want to ask question in Japanese.Yeah it's ok. I can translate this.Next.About.Home..Because in Taiwan we mainly get our recognition internationally because we take the tour that worked for a small city like Barcelona or Madrid or in Iceland in Reykjavik.Our in Seattle Seattle is a little bit larger or in Wellington or in some kind of cities and then we were able to lift those municipal level tools to work on a national scale was 23 million people.whereas like 10 years ago people thought these tools are limited to like 1 million people or 10,000s of people and we show that with careful design actually the more people you reach you actually get better signal.And this is very counterintuitive 10 years ago people thought there is an upper limit there's a ceiling to which after this the tour doesn't work it breaks down but now we have shown with language models and so on actually the more they have a better.It's completely different now and so it used to be for example if you want to hold deliberations like 100 simultaneous citizen assembly you need 100 facilitators but now you can use robot as facilitated now.And then outward to reach a lot more people and then you will be even more permanent because you have more than 23 million people.No.One thing I would just add that is to say.You know Taiwan is kind of a bridge between the city scale and the national scale because it's sort of nation not nation you know what I mean it's a province nation it's a city so it is all of them at the same time you know what it used to be yeah yeah yeah yeah.You don't even point it's different people have different interpretations of what it is so.How much do we needHow can we do it in a political sense.Yeah the box example or the example of occupying parliament they are political but they started with a strong demonstrationSo they did not start from the government they started from the demonstrators but it's important to have the mentality of demonstrating not just protesting protesting is when you're against something at work against air pollution.Demonstrating is to show this is how you measure air pollution right so have the mentality of a demonstrator means that people in the government or people who are bridges between the society and the government have something to bridge into.But if you only protest and not demo then there's nothing to bridge into.Yeah.Code for Japan is holding sesions.Providing please.So people.Code for Japan translated DeCidim .Barcelona.Provide.To start.Here here.And he also uses broad listening approach.Year.Send.Also you can also vote for the existing question.To.Hi.Yes.OK.So in Taiwan since 2018 the presidential hackathon every year we have like 200 teams many many teams a classic question is how to make sure that we discover. Which teams have synergy which teams there work together.Which teams have synergy which teams there were together and this is not very easy to do in the way that is.Like amenable to the traditional voting like if you have a voting like approval voting which is like slide like everybody can vote many questions but which two questions have the most synergy this is a very difficult to answer question.But in Taiwan we use quadratic voting for this so once you get to the presidential hacker on website you asked to login with your SMS or something and once you login you have 99 points 99 credits.And then using those 99 points you can vote for the 200 projects nobody spent 99 points on 99 project so far I've not seen anyone do this they prefer to go to their favorite project and start voting on it.1 vote = 1. 2 vote with 4 credits. It is quadratic.Ice quadratic so it means with 99 points you can do the math you don't have 10 votes because that will require 100 you only have nine votes which is 81 points so once you vote the nice vote you still have 18 points left.Nobody want to waste those 18 points so you are going to look at other projects to find which one has synergy so it's in a sense incentive design to incentivize the peoples extra cognitive power.To look for destinies for you for the idea that they also want to increase the chance of project be if project eight that got nine votes did not make it to the top 20 at least Project B which is similar to project eight can't get itBut when they try to vote for project they will fine with 18 points you can only vote for which cost 16 so you still have two points left so you're motivated to look at privacy and project and to find a synergy.And unless you look at synergy many people discover maybe project eight wasn't the best project after all maybe project is just your friends project so they know it first but they actually like project Seymour so they would take some points back from project eight..To the chance that it increases to be selected to the top 20 it is optimal in some sense of that word so when people started using quadratic voting we have much much better synergy information just based on who voted for which combination of projectOf how these would work together and when we select the top 20 we now have top 20 and the other 200 but then we know how to shuffle the people from those 200 into the top 20 so that the top 20 can get the support.And the top 20 to be the one that works best with many projects which means they're more super modular so this is how we concretely use our quadratic to discover that something is more super modular than the other I don't know Glenn has theoretic approach to say.Project needs a certain amount of money and then it's like sort of the ratio of the support that it gets to the money that it needs that determines whether it makes it in or you can do even more complicated knapsack versions than that those are things that have been explored some in the competition social choice literature.If you want to add something, I will pass the microphone to you.OK thank you have.I am.No.People are quiet and wait for the government.Quiet.Yeah yeah.People can join. In the last election, it was fun for me.I think approach.I realize this the last election I saw approach.Many people wanted to join..I think people can create something together with friends.With friends or some other people don't.Have a demonstrating demonstration in front of self we just show something useful.We can show some potential for open source software. we want keep creating something good for society.and show and go to the government utilize more.Way to.Me.Trying to reach governent people.They're also waiting for you.Yes agency.We need both sides. Government first trust.To give no trust is to get no trust.You need to build this still deeply at this person trust first before you get out.Most government officials are not opening the door.Politicians have to talk to people who are just complaining about the situation.What is the situation in Taiwan.You can see the Hong Kong.Who.Taiwan had 9 percent of trust level. If anything coming from government...Taiwan we also had a problem 10 years ago 10 years ago the trust level from the people to the document was at 9%.Very very not 9% anything the administration says everybody automatically distrust and so people will just complain right but I think something really happened.Between 2014 and 2018 when we invested in the participation infrastructure people instead of just complaining they built places where other people can go there.And instead of just complaining they figure out a better way to do things we talk about vTaiwan but in the same year in addition to be Taiwan we also introduced the petition platform join.GOV.TW.It's been running for a decade now anyone with 5000 signature online can propose something for a minister to consider to respond or even to meet people now we use the design from Iceland.From Better Reykjavik: so does 5000 opinions they have two colored one is supporting like maybe there is a petition there's really a petition that says we should change the time zone of Taiwan to be the same as Japan..You have two columns.After against argument they can afford they can download but there's no reply you cannot fight between the two column so if you don't like this argument the only thing you can do is to demonstrate a better argument in the other color.And get people to it and so at the end of the day you just look at the top arguments from both sides and then you have a very good idea of what people are actually trying to do and then we invite.Both sides of people to the same room like this people and we hear from the people who want to change the time zone and they only want to make Taiwan more unThey want to force people who travel from Beijing who travel from Hong Kong to Taiwan to force them to change the clock so that's their main motivation and the main counter argument was that it will cost a lot of money.And we actually worked with the ministry of economy, finance and tourism to calculate exactly how many dollar it will cost one both one time and recurring if we really want to change the time zone it's a lot of money.And then we brainstorm if we want to spend as much money.How can we make have a more unique but more efficiently if we are about to spend this money and so both sides think a very good idea like we should let people people know bubble tea come from Taiwan it's not some other place it's fromOr we should let people know we have marriage equality at the first in Asia or we should invite more human right to conferences like we should invite more international NGL or international media to Taiwan.And orders are not as costly as changing our time zone so at the end of the meeting both they can live with it because they have the same goals the same value making time more unique it's just that their roots stairway it's different.But because both agreed they are better way so we found better ways so again you need the conflict first but then you need the participation infrastructure to discover the super modular solutions things that are good only when everybody participate.And then you need to make it infrastructure so that three step also works in this case so in 2018 when we started institutionalizing it the trust level become more than 20% and then two years after that from 20 to 40 to 60So when I graduated in May the trust level to the Tsai Ing-wen administration was more than 60% which is very very for having.Reach outYeah but they already signed the petition they already signed the petition online so if you send an email to 18 or 16,000 people you will get like people who say I can show up.Or if you do it online then even more people will say they show up and also because in the platform we do not restrict the age you only need an SMS number so some of the most powerful petition.Very young people like banning plastic straw from bubble tea take out that from a 16-year-old and they also petition for things that affect their life because in Taiwan the 15 years old they go to school on 7:30 AM.But the school doesn't the class doesn't actually start until almost 9 PM and so they started a petition that says we want to sleep two more hours we want to go to school at night not 730 and so because research show.If you sleep one hour more you actually get better score then if you study one hour more I think Japan also has this problem so and he was successful they get 5000 people many of them teenagers sign the petition.They did not get two hours more sleep but they can't get one more hour sleep we changed the regulation we have a parent so the petition was successful they will find themselves a very strong citizen.Even before they turn 18 so not waiting for their 18 to customer but they can set the conversation in the society even when they're 14 or 15.I am this the point of the question.Incentive to make design understandable for lay persons.TechnologyPeopleYeah well I think it is not about incentivizing the individual citizens it is about incentivizing the people who consume those IDs who are verifiable credentials.You need to create a strong incentive for them to verify the digital signature if you if they don't verify or they verify in a bad way they need to be very strong liability if you don't verify.Are used in those advertisements to sell cryptocurrency or something like that and they don't like it right so we now say to post any advertisement on social media that has the potential to reach 10% of our people on Facebook and so.First like they have to register and Taiwan a local presence otherwise we would block them and now when they registered when they post such advertisement with peoples face on it they need to get a digital signature.From that person so if you see Audrey Tom selling you cryptocurrency Audrey told me to sign that thing that advertisement if Audrey doesn't sign and somebody gets scammed for 1 million thenFacebook will be liable to pay that 1 million so Facebook recently met and Google and many people they visited the ministry of digital affairs they say publicly and have fraud is very important even though it will cost us a lot of money.We will invest in this kind of digital signature verification infrastructure so you need this kind of law if you don't have a law that assign liability and you only have regulation if you only have incentive if you get Facebook if you want to implement thisThe state will give you 80% of the cost they will still not do it because there's nothing in it for them they will lose advertisement business right because for them the best scenario is for those advertisements to be still there.And they can keep earning right from it so they don't want to implement this but we say to them if you don't that's fine and we're not finding you but if somebody could come for 1 million you'll have to pay that 1 million and then now they listen and that's probably going to be the strongest implementation incentive.Does the strongest implementation incentive for DD for VC because their advertisement from the US from Japan to the Chinese audience as well and they don't have the Taiwan fighter they don't have the Taiwanese PKI system.So they have to use their own PKI system and to enter operate different PKI systems the easiest way if it is selective disclosure as decentralized identifier so that is why we have the digital signature act also recognizing to share trans systemsAnd so then they can post advertisement so Google for example saying they are also a certificate authority they can also use the IDC right to sign those advertisements and like of course it's fine so it needs a strong liability not just incentive.And super modular goods means everybody participate and the flipside of it is the externality the harm right so if everybody do it without digital signature it harm the trust of everybody so in a sense, anything that cure this negativeThis harm to society is by self a super modular good so you can also start with something that society really hits like fraud and then turn it into a incentive to design the PPI.Thank you very much.So.I can speak to thatSo.These scripture ones that are often called marginalized communities in in the US and I think you know the key to this really is again some kind of notion of incentive.In the Polis system.If you say the same thing again and again you all end up in one point.Is it clusters the perspectives.No matter how many people say it again and again it ends up in at one point but if you say something very different you your voice is hurt your voice is surfaced.And so if you have systems that.Try to highlight the distinctiveness.Then that is very strong incentive for those communities that aren't.To speak because they know that if they're bringing a new perspective to the table that they get surfaced much more.And yeah this is related to the idea called the bridging bonus in police and also "talk to the city" and "community notes" many many ideas you can literally see like four clusters.And maybe this cluster is a lot of people maybe this cluster is just 10 people but it doesn't matter because it measured that uniqueness of their viewpoint and then we give the budget we give the agenda setting we give the reward..To bridge to the smaller to the more marginalized group but if you can't only buy majority voting then they already have the majority there is no incentive for them to think about the marginalized group so all depends on what you sword for if you sword for earlyThen it's flow to the top but you sort by bridge making longer bridges more bonus than everybody gets into the mood or at least some people get into the mood of truly thinking about new idea that bridge across very long distances.Businesses of course think about reaching internally but that's to be something that can reach longer distances.Yes.Hello. It is ideal form. What I am wondering is the limitation of algorithms, is it ending up.So.This kind of system.Real.How do you deal with.Limitations of the actual algorithm you're using sometimes.Yeah well.Police doesn't use large language.They use only dimensional reduction for visualization and K-means cluster when it comes to clusters so it is actually very difficult to gain that system because you're really need people to who are otherwise different to agree with you.Your statement I don't think community notes use language moderate so if you look at external the committee knows people don't anything with a very simplistic thing there I mean actually think community does run the risk that you're describing which is that.Because they reduce everything to one dimension rather than doing multi dimensions so it's actually less sophisticated than polished and that way yeah hi it does tend to impose the American left right political spectrum on everyone around the world which I think is a problem and I think.It needs to be improved on we can talk to them about that so that is definitely something you can run into.But that's the reason to then improve on the algorithms at least use two dimensions when the ground to visualization so at any point you can have two different orthogonal divide going on but it like in jigsaw there.Having even more dimensions I think they have seven dimensions now affinity compassion curiosity new ones personal story reasoning and respect so they use seven different dimensions whereas police usually only visualized two.Now of course with seven dimension the problem is you cannot use the dimensions so they tried many different interfaces sometimes they combine curiosity with nuance and then they use that as main sorting algorithm.And then after that they start they allow you to kind of bring your own sorting mechanism because many people approach social media in different ways some people are there too because they're curious they want to learn something but some people are there because they want to connect with their friends.About any of the seven is better than just shouting at each other so I think anytime we increase the dimension there is something more newest that is captured but there is more interface design that needs to be done in order to make sense forThank you so I think this is the last questionAre you there.Polis might be hard to join.First.You know how people who cannot.Police.Oh it like they don't have broadband access if they don't have access does his fault we have the idea that broadband is a human right.So no matter how remote you are using satellite connectivity using microwave using things like that the ministry of additional affairs is committed to bring prop to everywhere and it is not just broadcasting not just one way.It needs to be two-way so the link is equally important if you have good uplink then you can participate in video conference you can make your voice fully heard but if if only because you're two remotes or if you are too high in the mountain or something.Nowadays there are ways in Taiwan using universal service to make sure that whoever invest in the place therefore connectivity they get reimbursement from the other telecom that didn't make such investments themAnd so there is not a very healthy ecosystem and recently also included lowers orbits satellites into the mix of course they're still testing but pretty soon I think we will be able to cover everyone and so in addition to broadband as a human right we also have the idea.Of "helping the helper" so like in schools that is the teachers helping the students but maybe in like my grandparents they are 90 years old now then they're their offspring like my parents who are 70 years old.Can help the euro to bring them into this conversation but it is not about asking people to go to additional system with sometimes when it comes to petition also bring the digital technology like the camera and so off to the place where people meetAlready answer you can have a hybrid meeting like this but I think as language model become cheaper and cheaper you can now just offer a telephone number so the elderly people can just call that number maybe that is also very possible now so I think which time the course is going to be less and less.But still providing broadband as a human right that is the fundamental thing and it is the government duty because that is the most super modular all the super modular addition and our and our hope is pride is human right is not just the government of jurisdictions were working on this idea.I've Internet free world.Which is will you bring this to authoritarian context we use the satellites we distribute receivers through religious groups through dissident groups and broad bench via universal human right.Regardless of whether the jurisdiction involved supports that right or not. Digital or less vocal people, how can they do.Not Technology, but other hesitance.We should always help the helpers.Expect OK we should always help the helpers.So like if it's about a physical condition like if they cannot speak literally they can only do sign language then there's also a infrastructure project that provides sign language translation to the people who cannotOr if it is mental like condition then maybe we need to empower them to communicate in the modality that they are most likely to do for example many people for them like asynchronous typing is easier.Then a face-to-face conversation then we need to include both the real time and the asynchronous but there are many many ways including brain machine interface if you want to have to get people who don't cannot even move.To use their brain to communicate or immersive shared reality there are many technologies now assistive technology they want to bridge this kind of conditions we have collaborator who prefers asynchronous communication.So yeah we operated.Thank you.This could be a question.Two.Do you think you have Entirely trustless. Open government.Of course it is always possible.To be even more open.And to rely even less centralizing authority but once you do that you will discover even more opportunity so I use web three small case WV three with no space.It's just a shorthand for decentralized and so it can be more and more centralized overtime you can be more with three and more with three overtime there is no final point where it is maxim centralized.The idea of plurality means that you can always have one more sense you can have one more viewpoint you can always have one more conflict and turn it into co-creation but it is not saying that we should be like 23 million people should be 23 million soIt's not like that it is about to look at the ways that we currently rely on central authority and then to look at the natural groups like people who learn together people who study together people who have similar interest and someone.And have those groups also have some authority it is not about making sure that each person is their own authority it is about surfacing the existing group connections and making them also institutions authorities.Existing authorities but it is not about taking existing authority and say OK you now a agency with 500 people from tomorrow you have to be 500 corporations that is not plurality.I don't see is I don't like the word trustless I like the word trust building because what they didn't Taiwan is they went from 9% to 60% approval.So is that trustless what was kind of they were trustless at the beginningAnd so then they created trust so we should always want to create trust not to destroy trust so that the trust list originally means you don't have to trust trust blindly something that's not deserving of your trust that's what trustless means in the block chain.But I think it is quite confusing because what we are doing with Blockchain with web3 is to have a more earned version of trust a more trustworthy version of trust so that we don't have to blindly trust something that is not deserving trust.But the new situation is not trust it is only relatively low trust oh thing but it is newer trust relationship between the new institutions.Thank you for asking.Two people casual.