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[00:09:10] <Jax184> I was speaking to a woman the other day who mentioned that she was going to visit a shoe cobbler, as apparently there are still ones around
[00:09:26] <Jax184> but I thought she said "shoe hobbler"
[00:09:51] <Jax184> and was wondering if that was someone who did foot binding or something equally painful
[00:13:12] <Bucket> STC is the greatest.
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[00:13:37] <crawfs> cool, SOny made a copyright claim on an  open source animation made entirely in blender on youtube and because their policy is retarded it got removed
[00:13:44] <crawfs> so dumb
[00:15:03] <Jax184> I would be surprised if it's only happened once
[00:15:39] <crawfs> this stuff happens all the time
[00:15:56] <crawfs> Totalbiscuit had his videos flagged when he made a negative review of a game
[00:16:06] <crawfs> so the game studio flagged his video and it was taken down
[00:16:36] <flymol0> exit
[00:16:40] <Stereo> aww yeah, copyright
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[00:17:06] <crawfs> youtube has easily the worst policies in regards to reporting IP misuse
[00:17:11] <crawfs> "shoot first ask questions later"
[00:17:59] <crawfs> couple of people claim they've had videos flagged of just filming birds flying around and someone sup[posedly got flagged for having garage band tracks
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[00:21:12] <Bucket> milk and cookies is more common than milk and crackers.
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[00:22:46] <Stereo> i dunno if it's the worst, there's not a lot to compare it with
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[00:26:12] <Bucket> barometz is http://survivingtheworld.net/Lesson1640.html
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[00:42:36] <Oracle989> I kind of liked the new Wikipedia typeface, but it's kind of wearing on me.
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[00:44:54] <Foons> .back
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[00:45:05] <Snoof> Anyone here play Space Engineers?
[00:45:41] <Snoof> I'm trying to figure out how to get the resources out of my ship drills and am not having much luck.
[00:49:13] <Bucket> the webstandard is a conspiracy
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[01:00:07] <Oracle989> How do I calculate the spring constant of a bottle from material properties?
[01:02:17] <Stereo> i doubt that's possible
[01:03:21] <Stereo> finite element analysis, though
[01:03:34] <Oracle989> Why?  I've got the properties of what it's made and the dimensions of the bottle.
[01:05:49] <Oracle989> Assuming the bottle is a hollow cylinder, and neglecting deformation on the ends because I don't care about them at the moment.
[01:06:05] <Oracle989> I feel like it should be doable to compute that.
[01:06:50] <Stereo> if it's just for forces perpendicular to the bottle's surface from opposite directions, maybe
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[01:07:48] <Oracle989> I'm assuming it's being struck cleanly on the base and I want to know the loading on the walls.
[01:08:02] <Oracle989> So it should be a pretty simplified system.
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[01:11:13] <Bucket> Flibberdy is a bad person.
[01:14:37] <Oracle989> Aha.
[01:14:46] <Oracle989> k=YA/L
[01:15:05] <Oracle989> Where k is my spring constant, Y is my Young's modulus, A is my cross-sectional area, and L is the length.
[01:18:13] <Bucket> puddle is not a generous seeder
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[01:36:19] <CO2> hahaha
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[01:36:41] <CO2> so I'm on an old-ass computer I only use when I'm visiting my dad so I don't have to move computers around
[01:36:47] <CO2> just now I got this screen http://imgur.com/gbiFg7O
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[01:37:05] <CO2> end of win xp support
[01:37:11] <CO2> I clicked the more information link
[01:37:19] <CO2> it said that I have only two options
[01:37:28] <CO2> if the computer is fast enough, I should upgrade to Windows 8.1
[01:37:38] <CO2> if it isn't, I should buy a new computer with Windows 8.1
[01:37:41] <uberusha1imus> I can't wait for the 8th, we can all have a party
[01:37:55] <xenos1984> CO2: option 3: install linux ;)
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[01:41:14] <Bucket> this food is psychosomatic
[01:42:06] <CO2> xenos1984: exactly what I was thinking
[01:42:08] <CO2> say
[01:42:33] <CO2> when windows stops security updates, won't third party firewall software still try to close any discovered weaknesses?
[01:43:31] <xenos1984> i guess it will, but it's possible that i cannot close particular weaknesses of the underlying OS
[01:43:56] <xenos1984> /s/i/it/
[01:44:11] <CO2> yeah I thought so
[01:44:14] <Oracle989> This impact force seems high.
[01:44:31] <CO2> well
[01:44:53] <kitten> yay
[01:44:57] <CO2> that microsoft page did say they'll keep releasing microsoft security essentials malware definition updates for XP for a while
[01:45:05] <CO2> for whatever that's worth
[01:45:07] <Oracle989> A 600g bottle dropped from 91m onto a non-deforming surface will experience 505.6 kN load at the moment of impact.
[01:45:09] <kitten> successfully migrated my dc from vmware to hyper-v today without having to go on site
[01:45:34] <CO2> Oracle989: I don't know, that could be true
[01:45:53] <CO2> suddenly hitting a surface is a VERY fast decceleration
[01:46:06] <Oracle989> That's 85928g
[01:46:13] <Oracle989> That's a lot of acceleration
[01:46:21] <CO2> which is why cars don't like hitting surfaces
[01:47:43] <CO2> let's see
[01:47:44] * Bucket unzips.
[01:48:00] <ladymondegreen> holy shit: pando.com/2014/04/03/after-pando-shows-clear-evidence-of-fraud-on-indiegogo-company-responds-by-deleting-anti-fraud-guarantee/
[01:48:05] <Oracle989> Huh.  That'll compress my bottle by 2mm, or 1.3% deformation.
[01:48:19] <Oracle989> I could actually believe that.
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[01:52:14] <Bucket> libertarians is not the same thing as librarians
[01:52:52] <Jax184> Dara O'Briain is very very funny
[01:52:58] <Jax184> just in case anyone didn't know that
[01:53:00] <Jax184> it's worth noting
[01:53:01] <Jax184> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVxOb8-d7Ic
[01:54:24] <Oracle989> How do I determine whether a hollow cylindrical member will buckle under a load?
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[01:55:08] <CO2> Oracle989: order of mag calculation. 90 m, g = 10m/s^2, bottle is 0.2 m high, let's assume it deccelerates evenly. Speed after 90 m is about 42 m/s...
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[01:55:35] <CO2> so I'm assuming it breaks down as it hits the ground
[01:55:48] <CO2> at that speed it goes through 0.2 m in 0.004 seconds
[01:55:50] <Oracle989> CO2: I've got a value for the load it experiences on impact.
[01:56:03] <CO2> 42 m/s / 0.004 s = ~10 kN
[01:56:13] <CO2> lots of things wrong with that calculation
[01:56:20] <Oracle989> Yeah that's not what I have.
[01:56:23] <CO2> but that shows that we're at least in the tens of kilonewtons
[01:56:31] <CO2> breakfast time, see ya later
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[02:00:15] <Bucket> I am not a pretty and unique snowflake
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[02:38:51] <ladymondegreen> holy crap, snl is funny again
[02:38:56] <ladymondegreen> like, really funny
[02:39:46] <ladymondegreen> new writers are seriously helping
[02:43:16] <Bucket> Felstaff is a joke bot
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[02:50:24] <Stereo> sigh... crashed opera in the usual fashion
[02:51:06] <Stereo> 'open file' dialog popped up somewhere i can't see it, and if i even touch that tab it just crashes instead of showing me the dialog
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[02:54:16] <Bucket> bacon is a radioactive substance
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[03:21:51] <feriority> comrades
[03:21:52] <Bucket> Forward as one!
[03:22:13] <feriority> froward as one too
[03:25:17] <Bucket> leonardo is the boring ninja turtle
[03:26:34] <njsg> http://moviecode.tumblr.com/post/81460713260/die-hard-4-0-true-story-features-some-more
[03:30:18] <Bucket> first is unlikely.
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[03:47:37] <njsg> gcc -x english -pedantic
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[03:51:18] <Bucket> xchat is www.silverex.org
[03:51:48] <Althir> Did someone say "pedantic"?
[03:52:10] <ladymondegreen> no...you don't actually highlight on pedantic do you althir?
[03:52:23] <Althir> That's for me to know and for you to find out.
[03:53:02] <Althir> Anyhow, rebooting. Back in a minute or fifty.
[03:53:08] * feriority reboots Althir 
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[03:55:33] <njsg> wasn't silverex discontinued?
[03:55:38] <njsg> or does it still exist?
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[03:55:47] <barometz> Bucket: forget that
[03:55:48] <Bucket> Okay, barometz, forgot that xchat is www.silverex.org
[03:55:57] <barometz> it probably still exists but hasn't been maintained in forever
[03:56:01] <Althir> Quicker than I thought.
[03:56:14] <ladymondegreen> damnit, now we can no longer talk behind your back
[03:56:19] <njsg> "Inno Setup," <-- I seriously hope that Inno Setup has changed
[03:56:20] <Angua> morning
[03:56:20] * Bucket hands Angua a plate of orange juice, bacon, toast, a bowl of scrambled eggs, and a glass of cereal
[03:56:33] <Angua> thanks bucket,taht sounds lovely
[03:56:36] <njsg> otherwise this is building EXEs for a system which can just use MSI
[03:56:38] <barometz> (I believe the go-to xchat-a-like for windows these days is Hexchat, which isn't a build but a fork)
[03:56:58] <njsg> is the official build still shareware?
[03:57:04] <Althir> I think something in the nvidia driver killed itself zesterdaz, so I kind of HAD to reboot in order to render. Let's see if I'm right.
[03:57:10] <Althir> njsg: Last time I checked.
[03:57:11] <barometz> probably, you can look it up as fast as I can :P
[03:57:15] * feriority talks behind Althir's front instead
[03:57:26] <njsg> "something in the nvidia driver killed"
[03:57:29] <Althir> The reason I use Pidgin is because XChat turned out to be a thirty day trial.
[03:57:33] <njsg> I think that's nvidia software quality in an utshell
[03:57:42] <njsg> s/n / n/
[03:57:53] <Althir> That is not congruent with my experiences.
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[03:58:54] <Althir> I rarely had bad experiences with nvidia or their drivers.
[03:59:19] <Althir> Of course, one of those experiences was the driver integration into the Kernel completely shooting my Ubuntu to fuck.
[04:01:28] <Althir> That is, a kernel update came with a newer version built into it than I had installed, which SOMEHOW killed the x-server altogether. Updating the nvidia driver didn't exactly work either. I'm still not sure what actually happened.
[04:03:43] <Althir> I would say this looks promising, if that didn't all but guarantee tha- DAMMIT!
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[04:07:18] <Bucket> poop flakes is superior to corn flakes
[04:07:29] <Althir> I'm starting to think the scene might be to blame.
[04:07:39] <nautilus> This video claims that satellites can receive two separate signal bands, one for on-air transmission and one of off-air.. this sounds ridiculous but possible, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PlJkgQZb0VU#t=192
[04:08:56] <nautilus> Possible because the off-air "band" would simply be the transmission of data in the satellites downtime.. but even I question myself in saying that
[04:09:15] <barometz> :| that doesn't really sound like downtime
[04:09:40] <Althir> NSA: The Agency Is Listening.
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[04:12:59] <Althir> If this render doesn't throw the same error, I will be simultaneously relieved and immensely annoyed.
[04:13:01] <nautilus> What is life but a journey? A journey implies one is taking a long trip. A long trip implies an established frame of reference, a home.
[04:13:15] <nautilus> All in all, it's probably just a bad analogy.
[04:13:25] <Althir> I'm travelling on a vessel twelve thousand kilometres across.
[04:14:11] <nautilus> Althir: Good luck living to see the destination, the Hayflick limit is not on your side
[04:14:34] <Ranzear> Somebody asked me if I liked spicy food, but seemed confused at "I use Sriracha like ketchup."
[04:15:01] <nautilus> Ranzear: Know why spicy foods are spicy? (In particularly peppers)
[04:15:05] <Althir> I like my food spicy, but not too spicy. Too spicy ruins it for me like too salty.
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[04:15:52] <Ranzear> My favorite is that kind of spicy, which Sriracha falls into, where it's only unpleasant when you _stop_ eating it.
[04:15:55] <Althir> Capsaicin or whatever it's called?
[04:16:18] <Althir> I for one have been nomming loads of wasabi peanuts lately.
[04:16:23] <Ashley> flyingferret is a bot for sarching through xkcds?
[04:16:27] <Ranzear> Capsascin is part of it, but that's generally a simplification.
[04:16:42] <Althir> Ashley: That's one thing the ferret does, yes.
[04:16:52] <Althir> flyingferret: Bobcat
[04:16:53] <flyingferret> A-Minus-Minus: http://xkcd.com/325 ("... guy is packing a bobcat into a box; a woman ...") - Packages: http://xkcd.com/576 ("... hell? Who mails a bobcat ...") - Snow Tracking: http://xkcd.com/702 ("... with cratering]] BOBCAT ON POGO STICK [[ ...") - Coupon Code: http://xkcd.com/837 ("... the ones to get a bobcat ...") - Trochee Fixation: http://xkcd.com/856 ("...hindu cowboy hooker bobcat scrapple! Scientist ...") - Felidae: http://xkcd.com/10
[04:16:53] <flyingferret> , "Lynx ...")
[04:16:53] <Bucket> Bobcat cannot be trusted with bots.
[04:16:56] <Ashley> flyingferret: small talk
[04:16:57] <flyingferret> Small Talk: http://xkcd.com/222 ("...Small Talk: Sometimes I forget ...") - Investing: http://xkcd.com/947 ("... physicists making small talk at parties ...") - Sphere: http://xkcd.com/1248 ("... made you suck at small talk. Person 2: The  ...")
[04:17:05] <Ranzear> Like, cayenne isn't capsacin. That chiles (Sriracha) is only partly capsacin. Horseradish/Wasabi isn't capsacin at all.
[04:17:05] <Ashley> Cool.
[04:17:23] <Althir> Huh. Every day's a school day.
[04:17:30] <nautilus> Althir: Yea, it's acts like an enzyme (as far as I understand) that lowers the activation temperature of certain (unknown by me) nerves to a point where even body heat is felt as a "pain" sensation
[04:17:54] <Angua> that's not how capsaicin works
[04:18:04] <Althir> Listen to the werewolf!
[04:18:21] <Angua> capsaicin opens up the na channels in pain nerves leading to their activation
[04:18:39] <nautilus> Angua: na channels, huh?
[04:18:51] <Althir> Sodium.
[04:18:52] <Ranzear> Potassium.
[04:18:52] <Bucket> fizzles boringly
[04:18:53] <Bucket> Potassium bones penguins on the back of a giant ferret.
[04:18:59] <Angua> sodium channels are what are opened when a nerve is stimulated
[04:19:04] <Althir> Potassium is K.
[04:19:13] <nautilus> What order channels do I have on my tongue
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[04:19:16] <nautilus> other*
[04:19:21] <Althir> BBC One.
[04:19:27] <Ranzear> Althir: I was going for a bucket factoid.
[04:19:27] <Angua> capsaicn opens the ones that are generally opened by high termperatures
[04:19:36] <Ranzear> But he drew the wrong one.
[04:19:40] <Angua> mint opens the one that are opened by low temps
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[04:19:55] <nautilus> Angua: That's awesome
[04:19:56] <Bucket> Ain't it just?
[04:20:27] <Ranzear> Althir: And now that I look, it was apparently a one in ninety-two chance >.>
[04:20:38] <Althir> Ranzear: Good fucking luck, then.
[04:21:19] <Angua> nerves are cool
[04:21:34] <Althir> Synapses. I sucked at that back in school.
[04:21:37] <Ranzear> Bucket, potassium =~ /tongue/
[04:21:38] <Bucket> potassium tastes like my tongue is on fire!
[04:21:44] <Althir> Could never get the shape right.
[04:22:11] <Angua> potassium supplements are not very nice
[04:22:31] <Althir> We call it Kalium.
[04:22:34] <Angua> we had to take some for medicine tasting in palliative care
[04:22:40] <Althir> We also call Sodium Natrium.
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[04:22:49] <Angua> decosate liquid should also be avoided at all costs
[04:23:03] <Angua> althir - well, at least you won't be confused by the periodic tabe
[04:23:11] <Althir> That's the good part.
[04:24:16] <nautilus> Angua:  At the heart of the minty matter is a protein called the transient receptor potential cation channel subfamily M member 8 (TRPM8) [For future reference]
[04:24:29] * Althir is relieved and immensely annoyed
[04:24:49] <Angua> yeah, all the trpms are different ones
[04:24:59] <Angua> temperature is what the t stands for
[04:25:24] <nautilus> Those are the type of details I wish I knew when I see a chart of acronyms.
[04:25:47] <nautilus> Keys are nonexistent
[04:26:01] <nautilus> Well unless phds cound
[04:26:04] <nautilus> ...
[04:26:05] <Bucket> [khmer rolls his eyes at yet another factoid about his pants.]
[04:26:11] <Althir> PhDs open all sorts of doors.
[04:26:37] <nautilus> Althir: A door to understanding formal formats would be ideal but time consuming
[04:26:54] <Althir> Say "formal formats" twenty times fast.
[04:26:54] <Bucket> "formal formats" twenty times fast!
[04:27:11] <Althir> Thank you, Bucket.
[04:27:11] <Bucket> YOU'RE WELCOME!
[04:28:36] <Angua> nautilus - we had to learn a lot about nerves in first year
[04:29:37] <Althir> Learning about synapses also tells you how addiction works, which is a pretty neat side effect.
[04:30:44] <Angua> it tells you how tolerance works
[04:30:52] <Angua> addiction is a different matter
[04:31:01] <Angua> if you're going to be technical ;)
[04:31:04] <Althir> Physical addiction, which is much the same thing as tolerance.
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[04:31:54] <nautilus> Angua: Any other generalized functional groups of proteins? maybe one for light interaction
[04:32:07] <Angua> actually, it's more dependence than tolerance
[04:32:10] <Angua> i tell i lie
[04:32:35] <Angua> yes
[04:32:50] <Althir> Well, yeah. Physical addiction manifests in several ways, including tolerance AND dependance.
[04:32:51] <Angua> just a second, cna't remember their names without looking them up
[04:33:25] <Angua> most of these things are g-coupled receptors because those are the most complicated type
[04:33:42] <Angua> rhodopsins for light
[04:33:50] * Althir graduated from secondary school three years ago and hasn't looked at a synapse since
[04:34:51] <Angua> TAS for taste - they end in 1 and 2 for different classes
[04:35:01] <Angua> loads of those
[04:36:40] <Angua> then ORnumber for olfactory
[04:37:04] <Angua> all of these are G-coupled receptors
[04:38:56] <Angua> then for sensation you have stretch receptors of different types that give fine (vibratory) touch and pressure senstaion - a lot of that is down to how quickly the nerve accommodates to the sensation and how the nerve ending is actually formed
[04:39:29] <nautilus> "Rhodopsins...are extremely sensitive to light, enabling vision in low-light conditions." This opinion of what amount of light is considered low is definitely biased towards humans.
[04:39:52] <Althir> Yes, Wikipedia is distinctly speciesist.
[04:40:57] <barometz> nautilus: web 3.0 is all about knowing your target audience
[04:41:08] <Angua> though it is pretty cool looking at hte graphs showing when you're using rods and cones
[04:41:19] <Althir> We live in a world where black and white live together in perfect harmony and gang up on green.
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[04:41:48] <barometz> Ebony and ivory / come together to mock the viola
[04:42:34] <Angua> http://webvision.med.utah.edu/imageswv/KallDark7.jpg
[04:42:47] <Angua> we don't live on the disc, althir
[04:43:00] <Althir> Dammit.
[04:43:01] <Bucket> Dammit Archer!
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[04:43:13] <Althir> Why not? I want to live on the Disc.
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[04:44:04] <Angua> well, you'll have to find one of the wizards when they're on their forays to the Roundworld
[04:44:06] <barometz> it would certainly be interesting
[04:44:16] <Angua> and get them to bring you back
[04:44:22] <Angua> Darwin made it to teh dis
[04:44:23] <Althir> I'd bring an amplifier.
[04:44:24] <Angua> disc
[04:44:39] <Holzi> moring everyone
[04:44:42] <Althir> And a petrol lighter, mwahaha
[04:45:08] <Althir> And... a Gonne. Got a Gonne around here somewhere.
[04:45:13] <Holzi> s/moring/morning/
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[04:45:23] <Angua> i wouldn't take a gonne tothe disc
[04:45:34] <Angua> you'd get disappeared by vetinari pretty quickly
[04:45:39] <Althir> I have a strange feeling Vimes would like this one.
[04:46:15] <Althir> This one is also quite definitely not alive.
[04:46:29] <Angua> well, not here
[04:46:32] <Angua> but there...
[04:46:53] <Althir> Alright, alright.
[04:46:58] <Althir> Can I bring my crossbow, at least?
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[04:47:06] <Angua> don't see why not
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[04:47:26] <Angua> thouhg wound't you prefer a burleigh and stronginthearm?
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[04:48:07] <Althir> It's a small pistol crossbow, easily concealed. Stronginthearm, fine and dandy, but until I can afford one, I need to protect myself from theft and inhumation.
[04:49:50] <Althir> Do you think I'd be arrested for beating Dibbler to death with his own sausages?
[04:50:53] <barometz> If Carrot sees you do it, certainly
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[04:51:26] <Althir> "Just providing a public service, sir!"
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[04:52:39] <barometz> Listening to Tubular Bells for the first time in what might just be years.  It's very sunday morning.
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[04:52:53] <Althir> Got that one on vinyl.
[04:53:00] <Althir> Twice, actually.
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[04:56:19] <Bucket> hemispheres is a really good album!
[04:56:59] <Angua> back
[04:57:04] <Althir> Bottom.
[04:57:20] <Althir> Big bottom! Big bottom! Talk about mud flaps, my girl's got 'em!
[04:57:42] <Angua> if that's a discworld reference i've missed it
[04:57:48] <Althir> Spinal Tap, actually.
[04:57:59] <Angua> never hread ofit
[04:58:19] <jeek> It's a surgical procedure that can leave you paralyzed if done poorly.
[04:58:28] <Althir> Wrong sort of Spinal Tap.
[04:58:37] <Althir> Go watch "This Is Spinal Tap".
[04:58:45] <jeek> Between listening to the band Spinal Tap and getting a spinal tap...
[04:58:49] <jeek> Option #2 seems preferable.
[04:59:02] <Althir> I have all their albums!
[05:00:19] <Althir> Tonight I'm Gonna Rock You Tonight is a pretty good song.
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[05:01:18] <arble> tonight, for the first time in the united kingdom... the dollar sign double-neck!
[05:01:29] <Angua> ?
[05:01:44] <Mopeyennui> $ Even my keyboard doesn't do that shit.
[05:01:47] <Althir> I definitely don't think I'd have enough hands for a double-neck.
[05:02:22] <arble> http://youtu.be/6gESFElAOpQ
[05:02:23] <Althir> It'd be nice anyway. One on standard, one on drop, maybe.
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[05:03:55] <Holzi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk5zxA9UP2Q !!!
[05:05:30] <Althir> Blimey, this concert from 2009 is depressing.
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[05:06:42] <Althir> Time has not been kind to the Tap.
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[05:10:20] <Bucket> gnu/richard gnu/stallman is gnu/the gnu/author gnu/of gnu/the gnu/gnu gnu/system
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[05:12:17] <Holzi> Bucket: what was that?
[05:12:18] <Bucket> Holzi: That was 'gnu/richard gnu/stallman' (#47648): is gnu/the gnu/author gnu/of gnu/the gnu/gnu gnu/system
[05:12:29] <Holzi> Bucket: bucketclean
[05:12:29] <Bucket> My database is dirty! Help clean it at http://tinyurl.com/bucketclean
[05:12:34] <Althir> That was a factoid from the "will never, ever be triggered" category.
[05:13:28] <Holzi> hence I reported it to bucketclean
[05:14:01] <Holzi> I stil whish there was sort of an automatic version. like: report #123456
[05:14:29] <WassPord> ...
[05:14:30] <Bucket> [Somewhere in the distance, you hear the rustle of plastic bags in the trees.]
[05:14:34] <WassPord> jesus christ, you people
[05:14:57] <WassPord> Holzi: there's no fucking need to reiterate every time that you are too lazy to actually use the bucketclean webform 
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[05:17:24] <xenos1984> indeed, Bucket can do that instead!
[05:17:36] <xenos1984> Bucket: remember Holzi automatic
[05:17:37] <Bucket> Okay, xenos1984, remembering "I stil whish there was sort of an automatic version. like: report #123456".
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[05:21:19] <Bucket> sleepcell is sorry to interrupt, but I need some halp
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[05:22:11] <Althir> Bollocks. My spine still isn't getting better. This is most aggravating.
[05:24:03] <WassPord> Welcome to my world.
[05:24:17] <arble> there are many like it, but this one is mine
[05:24:24] * xenos1984 nods in agreement
[05:24:30] <Angua> althir - maybe it is too many spinal taps?
[05:24:43] <Althir> Funny enough, despite a trip to the hospital in the back of an ambulance, this is one of the better weeks I've had lately.
[05:24:53] <Angua> oh dear
[05:24:54] <Bucket> That's going to take *ages* to fix.
[05:26:15] <Althir> For one because I only had to work for like two hours. Because at that point my spine gave out.
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[05:27:55] * Althir has acquired a cup of tea. With milk!
[05:28:06] <uberusha1imus> !
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[05:28:15] <uberushaximus> the best way to have tea
[05:28:28] <Althir> Indubitably, old chap.
[05:29:09] <Holzi> WassPord: hopes and dreams.
[05:29:22] <WassPord> Holzi: and annoyance ;)
[05:29:48] <Holzi> WassPord: well, I'm at work on a sunday, so tell me about it :P
[05:29:53] <Althir> Hey Holzi, loooook: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2829734/New/3D/Container2.jpg
[05:30:44] <Holzi> Althir: those look like those alphabet cubes for little children :D
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[05:31:00] <Althir> They are tetrominoes, dammit.
[05:31:11] <Althir> There's not even any letters on them.
[05:31:12] <Holzi> they are what?
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[05:31:18] <Althir> Tetris blocks.
[05:31:24] <WassPord> Holzi: ain't my fault. 
[05:31:40] <Althir> It ain't my fault, it ain't my caul, it ain't my bitch.
[05:31:40] <Holzi> oh true, they are
[05:31:47] <Althir> s/caul/call/
[05:31:51] <Althir> Weird typo.
[05:32:54] <Althir> Holzi: For comparison, this is the old version: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2829734/New/3D/toncainer-500.jpg
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[05:34:27] <Holzi> Althir: I hate to say this. But the old version looks a lot more photorealisic to me
[05:34:59] <Althir> The old version was considerably less realistic in many regards.
[05:35:42] <Holzi> Althir: not in lighting though
[05:35:51] <barometz> for one, you don't have proper lighting where you work? :P
[05:35:52] <Holzi> And I find the DOF to heavy
[05:36:01] <Althir> barometz: No, we actually don't.
[05:36:58] <Holzi> barometz: we live in a world of triangles and projected rays
[05:37:25] <Holzi> barometz: it's as realistic as you want it to be. Just like a dream
[05:37:45] <Althir> I can assure you, the lighting is much closer to the real deal than the old version was. Take it from the bloke who works in one of those things.
[05:38:42] <comma8> The second image looks more realistic to me; particularly when zoomed out to thumbnail size
[05:38:55] <Holzi> hm. ok. First one looks as if you used a flash on your camera. So it's what I would expect from a photograph. might not be the available, true light
[05:39:09] <Holzi> comma8: the bright or the dark one?
[05:39:22] <barometz> I just ordered some underwear.  Took about five minutes to compare a few stores for price, sign up somewhere and place an order.  The internet is a marvel <3
[05:39:22] <comma8> Holzi, the bright one
[05:39:51] <Holzi> barometz++
[05:39:52] <Bucket> barometz has evolved into the mineral lamb of Tartary!
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[05:40:03] <comma8> But.. on the Internet, you don't need underwear.
[05:40:17] <Holzi> comma8 has a point there
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[05:40:31] <barometz> There's something about the colours in the new version that's off to me, I don't quite know what
[05:40:52] <barometz> They kinda seem too saturated for the lighting?  
[05:41:24] * barometz gets back to useful things
[05:43:58] <Holzi> this sucks. It's a sunny sunday and I'm stuck at work. fuck this shit. honestly
[05:44:11] <comma8> funny that you said that, I wanted to see the image in greyscale so I just desaturated it in gimp
[05:44:28] <comma8> Holzi, where do you work?
[05:44:44] <Holzi> comma8: a small architectural visualisation company
[05:44:46] <njsg> Holzi: I think comma8 has a *comma*, not a point
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[05:45:21] <Althir> A company for small architectural visualisation or a small company for architectural visualisation?
[05:45:28] <Holzi> njsg: sure it's not more like a semi colon?
[05:45:29] <njsg> barometz: you can even order food nowadays. if anything, I think that this must help people who live alone and who, for some reason, cannot get out for some time
[05:45:47] <voicedotter> hello
[05:45:52] <Holzi> Althir: the latter
[05:45:57] <Althir> How does one dot a voice?
[05:46:11] <uberushaximus> arglblargle
[05:46:16] <uberushaximus> I really hate losing my glasses
[05:46:18] <voicedotter> sigh, that joke again, it is voiced otter, I should change that
[05:46:24] <Althir> Ah.
[05:46:28] <Kliment> Holzi: :(
[05:46:32] <Holzi> Althir: I wouldn't call projects that go for years 'small'
[05:46:37] <Kliment> Holzi: Here, have some rhubarb crumble
[05:46:43] <Althir> Rhubarb!
[05:46:44] <Bucket> I want another slice of the rhubarb tart, I want another lovely slice! I'm not disparaging the blueb'rry pie, but rhubarb tart is oh so very nice!
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[05:46:52] <Althir> That'll do.
[05:46:52] <Holzi> Kliment: i love rhubarb!
[05:46:53] <Bucket> NO IT WON'T!!! I HATE YOU! I HATE YOU!
[05:46:55] <voiced_otter> there we go
[05:46:56] <Bucket> thanks, voiced_otter.
[05:47:05] <Kliment> Holzi: I didn't plant any this year :(
[05:47:05] <voiced_otter> oh hey it is Bucket
[05:47:07] <Holzi> voiced_otter: hello benedict cumberbatch
[05:47:18] <Althir> Benedict Timothy Carlton Cumberbatch?
[05:47:20] <Kliment> Holzi: I will probably buy some in a couple weeks
[05:47:22] <comma8> Holzi, I assumed he meant that the architecture is small. For small people. Or even ants.
[05:47:33] <voiced_otter> Holzi oh yea I forgot he is an otter
[05:47:51] <Kliment> Holzi: But I do have a rhubarb crumble (with bought rhubarb) here
[05:47:53] <Holzi> Kliment: well, they normally grow like pest plants, so it should still be early enough
[05:48:14] <Holzi> comma8: he asked actually both. whether it was a small company or small archviz
[05:48:17] <Kliment> Holzi: Yeah but I'm away all of next week so I'll have to get a plant after that
[05:48:18] <Althir> Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbarbärbel?
[05:48:41] <Kliment> Althir: No.
[05:49:02] <comma8> Holzi, oops I can't read
[05:49:20] <Holzi> Althir: wasn't there a jaw crusher about "rhabarber" in german?
[05:49:25] <Holzi> comma8: never mind
[05:49:26] <Bucket> Holzi: Pay for the time you wasted.
[05:49:41] <Holzi> Kliment: this helps too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk5zxA9UP2Q
[05:49:55] <Althir> Holzi: Jaw crusher? Tongue twister, I could offer.
[05:49:55] <Holzi> Bucket: what do you think I am doing stuck at work?
[05:49:56] <Bucket> Beeeeeeeeeeeeep!
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[05:50:10] <Holzi> Althir: same thing according to dict.leo.org
[05:50:29] <Althir> It is, as I mentioned, Rhabarberbarbarabarbarbarenbartbarbierbierbarbärbel.
[05:50:31] <Holzi> Althir: though Jaw Crusher sounds more dramatic
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[05:50:55] * Bucket picks drowsyturtle up and lashes them to the bar stool
[05:51:15] <Holzi> Althir: yeah. whitespaces would have helped to decipher it the first time ^^
[05:51:15] <drowsyturtle> why is lambrini?
[05:51:16] <Holzi> got it though
[05:51:32] <Althir> (Which means, roughly, rhubarb Barbara bar barbarian beard barber beer bar Bärbel)
[05:52:25] <Kliment> Holzi: Do you understand Croatian?
[05:54:37] <Kliment> Holzi: Because if not there's a brilliant pun in there you've missed
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[05:56:05] * Kliment waves at iva 
[05:56:20] * voiced_otter waves at all the people
[05:56:21] <drowsyturtle> "let's drink vodka out of a watermelon!" - terrible, terrible idea
[05:56:28] <drowsyturtle> Never do it, kids
[05:57:04] <drowsyturtle> It's just a gateway into drinking pina coladas out of a hollowed-out pineapple
[05:57:27] <Kliment> Holzi: The commentary between songs in general is brilliant
[05:57:29] <jeek> Before you know it, you're shagging a microwaved coconut.
[05:57:59] <drowsyturtle> >_>
[05:58:18] <drowsyturtle> I'm not even clear on where we got all this fruit from
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[05:59:20] * drowsyturtle puts a hat made from a watermelon in bucket
[05:59:21] * Bucket hands drowsyturtle a lowlight in exchange for a hat made from a watermelon
[05:59:30] <voiced_otter> so what is everyone doing?
[05:59:40] <jeek> otter: orgy in the produce aisle
[05:59:54] <drowsyturtle> jeek: nah, that was last night. You missed it.
[05:59:59] <voiced_otter> jeek wait whut
[06:00:10] <jeek> sleepytortoise: You left early. It's still ongoing.
[06:00:11] <njsg> "when a third of americans (US) already have an academic degree, these degrees don't mean much anymore" <-- I think some people mistake degrees for something else and forget the part where you *learn* something from them :-\
[06:00:12] <drowsyturtle> Gettin' our rocks off, on the rocks. Or something
[06:00:17] <arble> tomatoes EVERYWHERE
[06:00:28] <voiced_otter> bahahaha
[06:00:29] <Bucket> Shorten the tails on your plantains there, sonny.
[06:00:31] <creature> Augh. CSS. 
[06:00:34] <jeek> I met this one bird with great melons but then she left me with a cucumber.
[06:00:39] <creature> Also Augh. Design. 
[06:00:54] <njsg> creature: http://kuvaton.com/kuvei/css.gif
[06:00:57] <drowsyturtle> "Hey drowsyturtle, I got you a bottle of lambrini and a straw!" Oh, great.
[06:01:03] <arble> njsg: except when you don't really learn much in your degree course
[06:01:12] <drowsyturtle> I'm NEVER DRINKING AGAIN!
[06:01:15] <Holzi> Kliment: I do not understand croatian :( I've been to the colloseum 3 times though.
[06:01:17] <drowsyturtle> ....... Pub?
[06:01:23] <Holzi> Kliment: I have to work with the english subtitles
[06:01:24] <arble> Pub.
[06:01:27] <creature> Is this going to be the family guy gif? 
[06:01:29] <arble> I see you're down for the 26th
[06:01:41] <njsg> arble: yeah, but I think that generalizing degrees into 'I own a degree which is something rare' is a bit too bad
[06:01:44] <njsg> creature: yes
[06:01:45] <Holzi> Kliment: at 30 minutes it get's a lot more... lively
[06:01:49] <drowsyturtle> yeah 26th is good
[06:01:51] <comma8> creature, why does this look different when I open it Internet Explorer on my iMac?
[06:01:55] <drowsyturtle> 19th works too
[06:02:06] <drowsyturtle> can't really fo thursday though, already got a thing
[06:02:06] <arble> I think frogg set it
[06:02:15] <arble> as in set it finally
[06:02:18] <drowsyturtle> oh, ok
[06:02:29] <arble> njsg: a degree used to be something you did to expand your mind, rather than to get a job
[06:02:35] <frogg> I went with which had the most votes
[06:02:45] <arble> I don't know where along the line it became necessary to have a degree for entry level professional positions but I don't think it was a good move
[06:03:10] <arble> the only part of my degree I have used directly in my job was to tell my local big boss how to make stink bombs from the new chemistry sets he had bought his kids
[06:03:29] <arble> (pour hydrochloric acid on iron sulfide and stand back)
[06:03:51] <drowsyturtle> eh, we did that one at school
[06:03:55] <drowsyturtle> because geology
[06:04:10] <Kliment> Holzi: To the Pula coloseum?
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[06:04:35] <drowsyturtle> lead sulphide though, just for that extra bit of toxicity
[06:05:02] <Holzi> Kliment: yes
[06:05:17] <Holzi> Kliment: not during a concert though :(
[06:05:55] <Kliment> Holzi: Just stuck it on the big screen and the nice speakers
[06:06:08] <Kliment> It's lovely
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[06:06:38] <njsg> arble: I got into university to learn. I may have done it the wrong way, but even if my old school sucked, I got *something* out of it. and, to be honest, the degrees didn't help me that much so far :-P
[06:06:45] <Mopeyennui> Hello again.
[06:06:45] <njsg> (for jobs)
[06:06:53] <Mopeyennui> (What is happening in here.)
[06:06:56] <Kliment> Except for the disgusting advertising in the corner, which is now bigger than my head
[06:07:06] <Holzi> Kliment: AKG headphones at work <3
[06:07:39] <Holzi> if it's the facebook thingy just close the annotations in youtube
[06:07:42] <njsg> arble: but this text is clearly US-biased
[06:07:45] <Holzi> if it's youtube ads: adblock?
[06:07:55] <njsg> arble: "and tuition fees..." -- what tuition fees?
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[06:08:45] <drowsyturtle> I went to university because I wanted the free time to be able to do my own learning. Also I got a job from it.
[06:09:00] <drowsyturtle> but I'm an anomaly
[06:09:23] <Holzi> njsg: what area? my 2 bachelor degrees are so bloody worthless for my job :/ portfolio and produced work are the only things that count during an application. doesn't matter if you have a phd or if you are an outcast as long as you produce good looking stuff
[06:09:40] <drowsyturtle> When I tell people I did geophysics at university they often say "yeah, but how often do you use that now?" To which the answer is "well, I work as a geophysicist..."
[06:09:41] <njsg> Holzi: computer engineering
[06:09:43] <Kliment> Holzi: HOw do I close them?
[06:10:23] <Kliment> Ah, the very very tiny X
[06:10:25] <arble> njsg: I got a lot out of my degree, but none of it was essential to my current life situation
[06:10:27] <Kliment> Found it
[06:10:28] <Bucket> It was in one of Eule's pellets.
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[06:12:15] <barometz> Mildly odd but nice things to find in a typography blog: http://blog.8faces.com/post/81286281058/daftpunkretrotype
[06:12:43] <Holzi> Kliment: click the little cog and then click "close annotations"
[06:13:06] <Holzi> or "annotations: on/off"
[06:13:26] <Holzi> it's called different since the last ui-fuckup of youtube
[06:13:28] <ladymondegreen> instinctually is proper spelling, no?
[06:13:43] <Holzi> Kliment: the AC/DC parts are my favourites ;)
[06:13:48] <drowsyturtle> bleh
[06:14:01] <drowsyturtle> I must be the only person in the world who gets drunk and immediately craves salad
[06:14:09] <Kliment> ladymondegreen: "instinctively"
[06:14:19] <Kliment> drowsyturtle: celery for me
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[06:14:45] <ladymondegreen> eh, that's not exactly what i mean though
[06:14:49] <Kliment> drowsyturtle: Or cucumbers. But that's true whether drunk or not, and I avoid getting drunk whenever possible.
[06:14:55] <Kliment> ladymondegreen: Context please
[06:15:20] <ladymondegreen> i know that instinctive is british and instinctual is american, but honestly, i've always parsed them a little different
[06:15:41] <ladymondegreen> instinctive as more direct, in the roots and instinctual as more....reaching?
[06:15:50] <ladymondegreen> is this only going on in my brain?
[06:15:52] <asarkar> I can't say I've ever heard "instinctual" in any context...
[06:15:56] <Kliment> ladymondegreen: Yes
[06:16:03] <Holzi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk5zxA9UP2Q# <3 that camera
[06:16:19] <Holzi> this concert has a bloody brilliant director
[06:16:27] <njsg> "intuitive" is probably the usual way to refer to "instinctual"
[06:16:39] <Kliment> ladymondegreen: http://www.wordreference.com/definition/instinctual
[06:17:01] <ladymondegreen> damn my brain
[06:17:09] <ladymondegreen> i swear, i hear them differently
[06:17:11] <asarkar> Holzi: This one has an awful director, but the music makes up for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Zjt9QTj6V8
[06:17:13] <ladymondegreen> even if they aren't really
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[06:17:40] <Althir> Fucknuggets, I can't even sit up longer than a few minutes.
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[06:18:44] <Althir> Holzi: What if I rendered the new scene with the old renderer?
[06:19:47] <Althir> Oh bollocks. I'd have to remake all materials from scratch.
[06:19:47] <ladymondegreen> ha, i was right!
[06:19:49] <Holzi> Althir: don't know tbh. is the DOF added in post?
[06:19:54] <ladymondegreen> there is a subtle difference between them!!!
[06:19:56] <ladymondegreen> http://grammarist.com/usage/instinctive-instinctual/
[06:20:04] <Althir> Holzi: In Cycles it is, in Lux it isn't.
[06:20:19] <ladymondegreen> hahah!
[06:20:38] <ladymondegreen> see, i knew i was picking something up in how i'd heard them used!
[06:20:40] <ladymondegreen> s/heard/read
[06:20:51] * ladymondegreen feels triumphant
[06:21:12] <Althir> Let's see if this even works.
[06:21:15] <Holzi> Althir: which of the renders is which?
[06:21:26] <Althir> Holzi: The new one is Cycles. The old one LuxRender.
[06:21:58] <ladymondegreen> kliment, asarkar, njsg > i was right!
[06:22:22] <ladymondegreen> i am way to excited about this
[06:22:25] <Althir> Blimey. Yeah, I'd have to do quite a lot with the bally materials.
[06:22:26] <Holzi> Althir: the DOF in the darker image is one of the things that buggers me. it's too heavy. maybe if you lowered the impact
[06:22:30] <ladymondegreen> i'm also probably out pedanting althir
[06:22:31] <Althir>  Seems to render alright.
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[06:23:06] <Althir> Holzi: I can't re-render it in Cycles, unfortunately, so I can't edit the DOF either because it needs to be rendered before I can change the composition.
[06:23:13] * drowsyturtle puts a thresher maw in bucket
[06:23:15] * Bucket is now carrying a thresher maw, but dropped some dried frogg pills.
[06:23:47] <Althir> Holzi: I'm looking into putting it back into Lux right now. Which will likely involve making it a hell of a lot darker because that's just how it really is.
[06:23:57] <Kliment> ladymondegreen: That's just psycholgy bullshit usage though
[06:24:03] <Althir> Headology!
[06:24:20] <Kliment> ladymondegreen: Those people make up their own meanings of words all the damn time. Look at what they did to "presence"
[06:24:21] <ladymondegreen> Kliment: yeah, but it's prevalent enough in language that i picked up on the subtle distinctions
[06:24:49] <Kliment> ladymondegreen: Nobody uses "instinctual" in normal language that I'm aware of
[06:25:14] <ladymondegreen> Kliment: it's fairly common over here
[06:25:16] <Althir> 208,000 samples per second. I love GPU rendering.
[06:25:44] <Holzi> Althir: :D
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[06:25:52] <ladymondegreen> Kliment: that is, i've heard enough people say it, use it in articles and books and the like that i've picked it up. and noticed a usage difference
[06:26:05] <Stereo> i use it instinctually
[06:26:07] <Kliment> Althir: What are you sampling?
[06:26:19] <Althir> Holzi: Anyway, rendering it in Cycles gives a CUDA error for some reason (I checked, other scenes don't appear to be affected), so I can't re-render it in Cycles. Not on GPU anyway, and CPU is hella slow.
[06:26:25] <Althir> Kliment: Rum.
[06:27:06] <Kliment> Althir: I hear rum is not compatible with GPUs
[06:27:09] <ladymondegreen> althir: pass me the bottle?
[06:27:17] <Holzi> Althir: am scattering roughly 1.4 Mio trees over my 25sqkm area. All of them high density meshes ;) so you can go up close and render that ;).
[06:27:24] * Althir passes ladymondegreen a bottle of Captain Morgan Original Spiced Gold
[06:27:32] <Holzi> Althir: and the 1.4 Mio is only the visible part for the camera ;)
[06:27:43] <ladymondegreen> not spiced
[06:27:47] * drowsyturtle vomits at the thought of more alcohol
[06:27:49] <Althir> Holzi: Yeah, but you said those trees were made automatically.
[06:27:55] <Althir> ladymondegreen: Er... Jamaica Rum instead?
[06:28:00] <Althir> Also Captain Morgan.
[06:28:06] <Holzi> Althir: the scattering is, yes
[06:28:07] <Kliment> Holzi: If I were rendering the tree outside my window, I'd have to use a particle model
[06:28:11] <creature> I think my ire might actually be directed at SVG/object tags. 
[06:28:15] <Kliment> Holzi: They're shedding particles at the moment
[06:28:22] <ladymondegreen> althir: dark rum, no spice
[06:28:41] <ladymondegreen> though if you could mix a hot buttered rum up, i'd be much obliged
[06:29:08] <Althir> ladymondegreen: I'd have to get out of this chair to do that, and as much as I love you, I love not being in pain a bit more.
[06:29:25] <Kliment> Althir: ladymondegreen can relate
[06:29:29] <ladymondegreen> ahh, sit, drink, use heating pads
[06:29:36] <ladymondegreen> that's literally what i'm doing this very moment
[06:29:51] <Kliment> ladymondegreen: Don't forget typo!
[06:29:53] <Althir> I'm having a cup of tea. That's nice, too. And, of course, I have prescription painkillers.
[06:30:10] <ladymondegreen> oooh, prescriptions...i miss those :/
[06:30:22] <Holzi> Kliment: :D
[06:30:23] <ladymondegreen> that's right, i typo, althir pedants
[06:30:27] <ladymondegreen> its the circle of life
[06:30:36] <Althir> That's why we work so well together.
[06:30:51] <Kliment> ladymondegreen: You should show him your typos, just to give him something to pedant on
[06:30:53] <Althir> Nice, it actually kept the settings for most of the materials.
[06:31:18] <ladymondegreen> bucket: instinctual <reply> http://grammarist.com/usage/instinctive-instinctual/
[06:31:18] <Bucket> Okay, ladymondegreen.
[06:31:42] <Holzi> Kliment: I love how they go from nice classical music to the most bad as rock of all time to very very quiet pop music
[06:31:44] <creature> Okay. I have an SVG file I've made using Inkscape. I'm using it in an HTML page, via the <object> tag, because I'm animating it. 
[06:31:51] <creature> I would REALLY LIKE to be able to set its height via CSS as a percentage, so it scales to the user's screen, but it seems that "height: 100%" makes it keep its scale, and doesn't change the scale of the SVG. 
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[06:31:55] <creature> Can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong with this? I think it might be connected to inkscape generating the SVG with explicit height and width. 
[06:31:58] <ladymondegreen> althir: wanna mock my typos on github?
[06:32:03] <Althir> Holzi: Alright, I'm almost done with the materials.
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[06:32:08] <Althir> ladymondegreen: Does the pope shit in the woods?
[06:32:08] <Bucket> Look, I don't know! Where his holiness does his business is his business.
[06:32:13] <drowsyturtle> bucket, squirrel <reply> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YuvYYlvxvaM/TEwLO-WxY_I/AAAAAAAAACQ/wNzxtLvAdgk/s1600/Squr.jpg
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[06:32:14] <Bucket> Okay, drowsyturtle.
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[06:32:38] <ladymondegreen> bucket: ++
[06:32:39] <Bucket> Stop Adding Things!
[06:32:57] <ladymondegreen> althir: https://github.com/cardsagainstsocie
[06:32:58] <Althir> Is a bear Catholic?
[06:32:59] <Bucket> Does the Pope shit in the woods?
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[06:33:13] <Althir> "This is not the web page you are looking for."
[06:33:35] <drowsyturtle> that's an actual bottle of beer you can actually buy at a real place.
[06:33:45] <drowsyturtle> I love it when the world is needlessly weird
[06:33:57] <Althir> I like the parallax on that 404 page.
[06:34:39] <asarkar> creature: No, it's just stupidly hard to set heights relative to viewport in CSS. One solution is "position: absolute; top:0; bottom:0"
[06:35:08] <Kliment> Althir: https://github.com/cardsagainstsociety/pyGBot/commits/plugindev
[06:35:12] <asarkar> creature: But that assumes there's nothing else on the page, or that offsets are not relative
[06:35:13] <ladymondegreen> althir: sorry, add a ty to that link
[06:35:29] <asarkar> creature: Actually, I'm not sure that last bit is necessary
[06:35:31] <Althir> Nah, it's quite alright.
[06:35:35] <Kliment> ladymondegreen: I linked straight to the commit list
[06:35:45] <creature> asarkar: I think my DOM element is the right size, but my SVG file is stubborn. 
[06:35:53] <creature> I am reading http://tavmjong.free.fr/INKSCAPE/MANUAL/html/Web-SVG-Positioning.html#id1222245 which might help.
[06:35:55] <ladymondegreen> althir: this should amuse you greatly
[06:36:17] <drowsyturtle> bucket, taxidermy <reply> Yeah, but is your stag's head also a beer tap? http://www.thedrinksbusiness.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Brewdog_Stag1.jpg
[06:36:18] <Bucket> Okay, drowsyturtle.
[06:36:18] <Kliment> ladymondegreen: See all commits starting with the "cargs dammit"
[06:36:40] <Kliment> Oops
[06:36:44] <Kliment> Althir: I meant you there
[06:37:24] <Althir> Don't go 'round meaning me all the time.
[06:37:33] <Althir> It's really upsetting.
[06:37:34] <Bucket> http://itsreallyupsetting.tumblr.com/
[06:37:41] <frogg> creature: you up for the xkcd meet?
[06:38:08] <frogg> Open invite to any other Londoners
[06:38:20] <ladymondegreen> ooh, please tell me that's a real tumblr
[06:38:21] * frogg points to topic
[06:38:32] <Althir> Sorry, it isn't.
[06:38:40] <ladymondegreen> damn
[06:38:43] <creature> frogg: I don't know anything about it. 
[06:38:58] <Kliment> Althir: Look at the "cargs damnit" commit and tell me what ladymondegreen is trying to do on line 5
[06:39:05] <frogg> creature: http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Meetup_London_2014
[06:39:18] <ladymondegreen> when you figure it out, tell me too
[06:39:20] <Kliment> Althir: She said you'd be able to figure it out
[06:39:53] <creature> frogg: Sadly, I am already double-booked for the 26th. 
[06:39:57] <ladymondegreen> i'm now imaginging a twitchplaysfixladymondegreen'stypos situation
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[06:40:16] <frogg> creature: that's a shame. we might be doing another mid June
[06:40:26] <frogg> If you're interested, put your name to the bottom 
[06:40:37] <Kliment> creature: You're now triple-booked
[06:40:39] <ladymondegreen> creature: split, and play two 13s
[06:41:01] <ladymondegreen> i get less funny and more typotastic the longer i'm awake
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[06:42:54] <Biaise> ergg
[06:43:11] <Althir> Kliment: I won't be part of your wagers.
[06:43:19] <ladymondegreen> Biaise: yes dear?
[06:43:20] <Bucket> You shut your whore mouth when women are talking!
[06:43:21] <Biaise> so I know have an engineer-girlfriend… And I’m slowly understanding a lot of xkcd comics… 
[06:43:27] <Biaise> I now have*
[06:43:30] <asarkar> Heh
[06:43:46] <Kliment> Bucket: Shut up
[06:43:47] <Bucket> Okay, Kliment - be back in a bit!
[06:43:56] <Biaise> Before I could understand a little bit but now this is reality XD
[06:44:15] <Kliment> creature: Want to wipe that factoid?
[06:44:30] <ladymondegreen> holy crap, who the hell put that in bucket?
[06:44:31] <frogg> Biaise: So, what your saying is: Date engineers and understand xkcd? :p
[06:44:46] <ladymondegreen> oh, that's an excellent tagline
[06:44:59] <Biaise> frogg, yep :D
[06:45:02] <creature> Hmm. 
[06:45:30] <Biaise> As a technician I already can relate to a lot of those comics, but the engineer type is even worse ^^
[06:45:31] <creature> I *would* but I can't ask bucket what it was, which means I can't get an ID, which means I don't know how to delete it. I am not the best bucketeer. 
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[06:45:37] <Kliment> Holzi: They're destroying their bows!
[06:45:40] <Kliment> Bucket: what was that?
[06:45:42] <Bucket> Kliment: That was 'yes dear' (#52913): <reply> You shut your whore mouth when women are talking!
[06:46:05] <Kliment> creature: Why can't you ask?
[06:46:19] <creature> Because... he was shut up, I thought. 
[06:46:27] <creature> bucket, delete #52913
[06:46:27] <Bucket> Okay, creature, deleted 'yes dear <reply> You shut your whore mouth when women are talking!'.
[06:46:29] <WassPord> creature: ops can always get a reply, iirc
[06:46:30] <ladymondegreen> creature: a bucket shut up lasts 30 or 60 seconds (i dont remember which) unless a bot does it and specifies a longer time
[06:46:42] <Kliment> I don't think "what was that" is affected by shutups anyway
[06:46:54] <ladymondegreen> Kliment: no, tis
[06:46:55] <WassPord> Kliment: unless you're an op, it is, afaik
[06:47:09] <Kliment> Oh, okay
[06:47:46] <drowsyturtle> tbf I thought that factoid was pretty fun
[06:47:53] <drowsyturtle> challenging gender norms, 'n' stuff
[06:48:05] * drowsyturtle ninjas WassPord with a hug
[06:48:39] <Kliment> drowsyturtle: It could have been if it wasn't so unnecessarily abusive
[06:49:05] <Althir> I love how with GPU rendering, test renders are entirely feasible even in Lux.
[06:49:06] <ladymondegreen> drowsyturtle: yeah, it is. but it's abusive. and honestly, i didn't even parse the women part, because of the shut your whore mouth bit
[06:49:15] <drowsyturtle> fair enough
[06:49:16] * WassPord hugs ninja with a drowsyturtle 
[06:49:58] * drowsyturtle buckets bucket
[06:49:59] <Bucket> self-reference is not cool
[06:50:07] <Althir> Recursion is.
[06:50:48] <Althir> Holzi: Oh yeah, the DOF looks much more natural in Lux.
[06:51:02] <Holzi> Kliment: I know. they go through a lot of them
[06:51:21] <Holzi> Kliment: but then that's what you get if you play highway to hell, smooth criminal and such on a cello
[06:51:34] <ladymondegreen> omg, smooth criminal on a cello
[06:51:39] <Holzi> Althir: pics or it didn't happen :P
[06:51:40] * ladymondegreen melts
[06:51:52] <Althir> Holzi: How many samples do you want?
[06:51:58] <WassPord> haha
[06:52:01] <Holzi> ladymondegreen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk5zxA9UP2Q#t=2065
[06:52:09] <Althir> And the blocks are oversaturated all the same because I didn't adjust the materials yet.
[06:52:11] <WassPord> Aureylian would've gone nuts if she'd seen what I'm doing on my tree farm in minecraft
[06:52:18] <WassPord> burning *all* the pink wood. xD
[06:52:20] <Holzi> Althir: not too many. I'm used to looking at stuff without sampling
[06:52:24] <ladymondegreen> holzi: is that the vid that also includes that bar scene?
[06:52:34] <Holzi> ladymondegreen: bar scene?
[06:52:38] <Althir> Holzi: Give me two, three minutes and you can have fifty Samples per Pixel.
[06:52:47] <Holzi> Althir: ;)
[06:53:16] <ladymondegreen> holzi: the two cellists dueling on the cellos and in some sort of bar scene?
[06:53:43] <Althir> I'll have to work on the Materials a bit more because Lux handles them quite differently, but the render quality of Lux is pretty much unrivalled as far as stuff I can access goes.
[06:53:45] <Holzi> ladymondegreen: I don't know. The one i pasted just now is a live concert at the colloseum in Pula, Coratia
[06:54:00] <Holzi> ladymondegreen: oh yeah, just went threw their channel. It's them
[06:54:12] <Holzi> ladymondegreen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uT3SBzmDxGk&list=PLrRtwIUSeaCEOxW7Ydgq2eDbFA84BdL5F <- this is pretty brilliant too. Thunderstruck!!!
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[06:55:05] <ladymondegreen> holzi: i KNOW!!
[06:55:10] <Althir> Holzi: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2829734/New/3D/Container_Test.png
[06:55:19] <ladymondegreen> granted, i'm a cellist so i'm immensely partial to the cello
[06:55:23] <ladymondegreen> s/was/a
[06:55:34] <ladymondegreen> but still, there's no way that song can get better
[06:55:47] <Althir> Apocalyptica?
[06:55:48] <Bucket> Apocalyptica is a metal band who's members are 4 cello players (now 3 and 1 drummer).
[06:56:09] <Angua> i've heard of htem!
[06:56:15] <Althir> Bucket: Apocalyptica =~ s/band who's members/band whose members/
[06:56:16] <Bucket> Okay, Althir, factoid updated.
[06:56:42] <drowsyturtle> bucket, start an argument
[06:56:42] <Bucket> <Spork> I don't know why anyone uses JSON for anything. XML has so much more to offer.
[06:56:44] <Holzi> Althir: tbh: i think 2Cellos make the better copy of the songs then Apocalyptica.
[06:56:46] <ladymondegreen> althir: YES!
[06:57:17] <ladymondegreen> holzi: ditto. i was referring to 2 cellos when i asked if it could get any better
[06:57:30] <ladymondegreen> though apocalyptica does rock
[06:57:34] <Holzi> Althir: looks better imho. You could turn down the light more now (or adjust the camera exposure, depending on how your render engine works)
[06:58:03] <Althir> Holzi: Exposure, I would assume. I've been lowering the light source's power for a while now and it has precisely zero effect.
[06:58:27] <ladymondegreen> oh man, i really wish i still had my cello
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[07:01:20] <drowsyturtle> on a related note, where did my violin go?
[07:01:22] <drowsyturtle> o.O
[07:01:35] <Althir> Oh, come on. I reduced exposure by 95 per cent. It had no visible effect.
[07:03:31] * drowsyturtle exposes himself to Althir
[07:03:39] <Holzi> Althir: check all of your checkboxes ;)
[07:03:48] <Althir> Check ALL THE THINGS!
[07:04:02] <Holzi> drowsyturtle: i would not reccomend doing that to Althir. this man has axes and bows and stuff
[07:04:11] <Althir> It's distressingly difficult to get a Lux scene to be dark.
[07:05:10] <arble> clue's in the name
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[07:05:31] <Althir> Oh bugger off.
[07:05:42] <Holzi> abrle++
[07:05:45] <Holzi> damn
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[07:06:05] <drowsyturtle> Holzi: s'ok, I'm wearing my chainmail underwear
[07:06:15] <Angua> made of silver?
[07:06:22] <Althir> drowsyturtle: As far as a crossbow bolt is concerned, chain mail is just a collection of holes.
[07:06:28] <XMPPwocky> made of pants
[07:06:33] <arble> good thing he's wearing plate under it
[07:06:35] <Angua> remind me not to rescue you from dangling over a boiling caludron
[07:06:37] <Althir> Holzi: WHAT THE FUCK?! The render got BRIGHTER! Bollocks!
[07:06:42] <drowsyturtle> Angua: D:
[07:06:57] <drowsyturtle> Althir: yeah, but I have tiny gonads so it's ok...
[07:07:07] <Holzi> Althir: you do know how exposure settings work, don't you?
[07:07:08] <Althir> At least you're aware of them.
[07:07:21] <Holzi> drowsyturtle: i did not want to know
[07:07:23] <Althir> Holzi: I actually mucked about with the light source itself just now.
[07:07:41] <Angua> drowsyturtle - it's ok, i would probably still do it, but jsut get quite a burnt mouth
[07:07:58] <drowsyturtle> Angua: kinky. o,O#
[07:08:07] * drowsyturtle drunks all over his keyboard
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[07:08:30] <Althir> drowsyturtle: When were you last sober?
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[07:09:01] <drowsyturtle> Althir: what year are we in?
[07:09:11] <Althir> 2019.
[07:09:21] <Angua> i'm figuring that my reference is whooshing over drowsyturtle's head...
[07:09:54] <drowsyturtle> Angua: nope, I get the reference, sargeant
[07:10:10] <Angua> awesome
[07:10:11] <Bucket> Looks fake.
[07:10:20] <arble> apparently the boat race isn't until 6pm today
[07:10:22] <arble> that seems late
[07:10:23] <Althir> Also, Holzi: I'm guessing, actually. Not much of a clue as to what I'm really doing.
[07:10:40] <Angua> that is pretty late
[07:11:05] <Angua> probably to do with the tides or somehting
[07:11:14] <arble> they've thrown the schedules of all the afternoon boat race boozers into chaos
[07:11:18] <arble> Me included!
[07:12:05] <Angua> lol
[07:13:35] <frogg> Okay, gonan post the meet on the forums
[07:13:39] <frogg> *gonna
[07:13:53] <Althir> Gonan the Bawbawian?
[07:13:56] <arble> uh oh
[07:14:04] <frogg> Are they weirdos?
[07:14:08] <frogg> forumites
[07:14:11] <arble> will we be overcome by waves and surfeits of forumites?
[07:14:14] * frogg narrows eyes
[07:14:15] <Angua> i hope not
[07:14:26] <frogg> Who uses forums anyways
[07:14:28] <Angua> *i hope the forumites are not weirdos
[07:14:32] <frogg> so 2004
[07:14:32] <Althir> Come on, be nice. Forumites are, technically, human.
[07:14:33] <arble> I don't know whether they're weird or not I just saw an excuse for waves and surfeits
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[07:14:53] <frogg> Althir: so are you :p
[07:15:04] <Althir> I know, luv.
[07:15:28] <Althir> Well, this is darker. Much better.
[07:15:42] <Angua> the forums are awesome
[07:15:50] <Angua> you missed out if you weren't there last weekend
[07:15:59] <Angua> the entire thing was filtered into dialect
[07:16:48] <arble> guess there's no point joining now then
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[07:17:37] <Angua> i don't know, the forums are a bit confusing if you join at hte madness
[07:17:46] <Angua> might be a good idea to get an entire year in before hte next one
[07:18:38] <frogg> Angua: Eugh, im just going to post a link to the XKCD IRC Wiki page I set up
[07:19:14] * Angua shrugs
[07:19:35] <Althir> Okay, now it renders 1920x1080 at 61,000 samples per second. I can live with that. Going to take a few hours anyway.
[07:20:05] <njsg> from r/netsec: http://disconnected.io/2014/03/18/how-i-hacked-your-router/
[07:20:26] <njsg> it's not a big surprise, routers are vulnerable pieces of shit: most of the time you're stuck with what they give youi
[07:22:05] <thesaurus> IRC is so 1997
[07:22:23] <frogg> Angua: was there a meet in London recently?
[07:22:34] <njsg> thesaurus: you mean 1988?
[07:22:42] <Angua> zohar was in town i believe
[07:22:56] <Althir> Francium is planning a meet in northern Germany in August... but as it stands, seems I'm the only one who'll be there.
[07:22:57] <Angua> and before that a couple of us went to picocon
[07:23:03] <Althir> Aside from Francium, that is.
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[07:23:15] <thesaurus> njsg: That's when it was first created
[07:23:16] <njsg> wait, so our PM is stepping down
[07:23:22] <njsg> I need to follow the news more closely
[07:23:22] <thesaurus> njsg: it stopped being cool in 1997
[07:23:28] <njsg> thesaurus--
[07:23:29] <Bucket> http://9gag.com/photo/5184_540.jpg
[07:23:44] <njsg> 404? ^
[07:23:47] <njsg> Bucket: what was that?
[07:23:48] <Bucket> njsg: That was 'thesaurus' (#87632): <reply> http://9gag.com/photo/5184_540.jpg
[07:25:18] <frogg> This message was flagged as spam and has been denied.  :/
[07:25:29] <Angua> frogg it's because you puit a link it
[07:25:34] <frogg> yes.
[07:25:42] <ladymondegreen> althir: you couldn't figure it out :(
[07:25:56] <Althir> Couldn't figure what out?
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[07:26:23] <njsg> oh the joy of webfora
[07:26:30] <njsg> stuff being blocked because it has links
[07:26:38] <Angua> only for hte first couple of pposts
[07:26:38] * frogg flails
[07:26:39] * Bucket morning stars.
[07:26:46] <Angua> you wouldn't beleive the spam we get even with that
[07:27:00] <Angua> frogg - you can either post in the intro thread to get your post approved there
[07:27:05] <frogg> Angua: How can I link to the wiki?
[07:27:07] <Angua> or i can write the post for you
[07:27:21] <frogg> Ah, yeha, it said I have to wait for my post to be approved, so I guess I'll just have to wait.
[07:27:33] <frogg> Angua: If it's no biggie
[07:27:49] <Angua> frogg you post has been approved
[07:28:09] <Angua> though merged to the london thread
[07:28:13] <frogg> cool
[07:28:26] <ladymondegreen> althir: what the fuck i did in the cargs damnit commit
[07:28:53] * Althir shrugs
[07:29:26] <ladymondegreen> althir the pedant gives up so easily?
[07:29:50] <frogg> Angua: And it doesn't exist :/
[07:30:01] <Angua> what doesn't exist?
[07:30:15] <frogg> The thread
[07:30:23] <ladymondegreen> hey, any wiki mods on here?
[07:30:23] <Angua> because i merged it to the other one
[07:30:34] <Althir> I didn't give up. I didn't give a shit. That's quite distinct.
[07:30:49] <rcombs> "Every time I get a haircut, I have to spend a really long time trying to figure out how to draw it. And it always turns into a mop with an ahoge."
[07:30:58] <Angua> it's in the main London thread because that's where it belongs...
[07:31:05] <ladymondegreen> althir: i thought you lived to correct my bad typos and misspellings
[07:31:07] <Lhyzz> njsg: how does one pronounce Jyrki? Yeerki?
[07:31:15] <frogg> huh
[07:31:16] <frogg> okay
[07:31:20] <Angua> alos, will mean people who go to the london meetups are more lilkely to see it on their egosearch
[07:31:21] <ladymondegreen> that's certainly the impression you've given me for, oh, as long as i've known you
[07:31:35] <Althir> I don't know where you got that idea. I correct everyone's typos.
[07:31:39] <Althir> And I live to eat poultry.
[07:31:56] <frogg> okay.
[07:31:58] <njsg> Lhyzz: I'll go with iurqui in portuguese, but it's really hard to explain this without a common phonetic basis
[07:32:10] <frogg> Could you include the wiki link for me, Im just seen as a spammer :(
[07:32:21] <Angua> i posted it after your post
[07:32:34] <njsg> Lhyzz: wiktionary IPA: /ˈjyrki/, well, helps a lot...
[07:32:35] <Angua> you need 5 posts before you can post new threads
[07:32:39] <Angua> *new links
[07:32:46] <Lhyzz> njsg: I'm American, so portuguese just makes it more complicated
[07:33:00] <frogg> Angua: But I don't want to post anything else :/
[07:33:18] <njsg> Lhyzz: I have no idea of how to compare it to english
[07:33:23] <frogg> Are there any post increasing game thereads?
[07:33:25] <Althir> How about "You need five posts before you can post"?
[07:33:26] <Angua> i know - it's because you get weird spam that is hard to tell at first
[07:33:38] <Angua> go with the intro thread and fluff threads in general
[07:33:50] <Angua> and then the pant thread to rant about not being able ot post links yet
[07:33:52] <njsg> Angua: it works so well in stack exchange...
[07:33:52] * frogg rolls eyes
[07:33:53] * Bucket catches frogg's eyes and rolls them back.
[07:33:56] <Angua> that's four
[07:33:57] * frogg kicks spam
[07:34:03] <njsg> sometimes I have to forget about helping with a question
[07:34:11] <njsg> because they require me to have some so-called reputation
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[07:35:18] <Lhyzz> yoorr-key, apparently. with a rolling r in the middle
[07:35:37] <Angua> forum games doens't increase your post count though frogg
[07:35:43] <Althir> *don't.
[07:35:45] <Lhyzz> almost like jerky, with a y.
[07:35:46] <frogg> eaR:GPOJ njesbnrgkaelsgr;wkpgn jehb;ah 
[07:35:56] <Angua> althir - forum games is a subforum
[07:35:57] <barometz> frogg: have you considered coercing an existing forum member into posting something for you?
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[07:36:00] <Angua> so doesn't works
[07:36:06] <Althir> And "Games" is plural.
[07:36:06] <asarkar> barometz: Already happened
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[07:36:22] <frogg> Angua: it did?
[07:36:22] <barometz> .. oh >_>
[07:36:29] <frogg> erm, asarkar*
[07:36:35] <njsg> "key" is "ki" so, you don't actually pronounce the "e"?
[07:36:41] <Angua> yes...
[07:36:51] <Angua> http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?p=3565036#p3565036
[07:37:13] <barometz> Althir: "forum games" is arguably a proper noun indicating a single entity :P
[07:37:16] <Lhyzz> njsg: the english word 'key' is just one syllable. sounds like ki
[07:37:33] <frogg> Ohoh, I didn't see that
[07:37:35] <Althir> Point taken, shall not return it.
[07:37:38] <Lhyzz> http://www.pronouncenames.com/pronounce/jyrki
[07:37:40] <frogg> Thanks!
[07:37:41] <Bucket> No problem!
[07:37:47] <frogg> not you, Bucket
[07:37:49] <Bucket> Oh, okay then.
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[07:38:43] <Angua> sorry - i didn't realise that you hand't noticed
[07:39:28] <ladymondegreen> Kliment: i cant end find that weird commit that you found anymore
[07:40:13] <Angua> frogg - if you do an intro thread, a fluff post, a rant (in the pant thread) and then repost in the metup thread
[07:40:20] <Angua> you can then edit in a link to your post
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[07:41:21] <Althir> If I can't go to the cellar to get some ice for my malt beer without pain, there's no way in hell I can stack parcels (or tetrominoes) for four hours. Bollocks.
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[07:43:50] <Bubo> rawr
[07:44:16] <Althir> That's the proper response to "bollocks", yes. Well done, Bubo.
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[07:45:55] <njsg> Lhyzz: ... oh, now that I think of it, yeah, key sounds like "ki"
[07:46:03] <njsg> as a word, even
[07:46:03] <Althir> KEE!
[07:46:16] <Lhyzz> heh
[07:46:24] <thesaurus> Nice introductory post, frogg
[07:46:43] <frogg> thanks
[07:46:44] <Bucket> It was nothing.
[07:46:46] <Althir> Hey Holzi, still there?
[07:46:49] <frogg> nrly
[07:47:39] <njsg> although I think that site exaggerates a bit in the r, perhaps because of english speakers not being used to a stronger R?
[07:48:01] <Althir> I'm a native speaker of very-much-not-English and I'm not used to a "strong" R either.
[07:48:43] <njsg> hmm, macgyver
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[07:49:52] <njsg> O'
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[07:50:24] <njsg> I've had people tell me my r is too strong. because almost every single source says that the finnish r is stronger. well, turns out this only applies to people who are used to very weak r's
[07:50:36] <njsg> in the end, my normal R seems to fit the bill
[07:51:32] <Branes> "Who's that, Q?" "That's R. He is to come after me." "Ahhhh, Commander Bond."
[07:53:03] <Angua> frogg - i enjyoed your pant
[07:53:11] <njsg> Branes: :-D
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[07:53:40] <frogg> Angua: <_<
[07:53:44] <frogg> It felt god
[07:53:47] <frogg> also, good
[07:53:47] * Althir sings: Run to the hills - run for your liiiives!
[07:56:31] <IceKarma> njsg, since getting dentures, I've found it easier to trill my Rs
[07:56:50] <IceKarma> njsg, the upper plate reduces the height of my mouth
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[07:58:37] <frogg> wassa trill?
[07:58:38] <Althir> Oh yeah, much nicer - I rearranged the blocks slightly, now there's a green one on the left side. They were very unevenly distributed.
[07:58:47] <Althir> Dax's a trill.
[07:58:53] <colt> Indeed.
[07:58:55] <IceKarma> frogg, like the Spanish R, say
[07:59:01] <IceKarma> no, Dax is a Trill
[07:59:12] * frogg youtubes
[07:59:15] <Althir> Oh, right, capital T.
[07:59:15] <Angua> i think you thrill r's
[07:59:23] <Angua> rather than trill
[07:59:31] <Althir> I never warmed up to DS9.
[07:59:44] <colt> Angua: Only if you're a really exciting person.
[07:59:51] <IceKarma> https://youtu.be/K9eN2B7Wj68
[07:59:54] <Angua> oh no
[08:00:03] <Angua> you're right, you trill
[08:00:20] <Angua> i've been using thrill for both all these years
[08:00:22] <colt> Otherwise the 'r's won't be thrilled by your trilling.
[08:00:27] <Angua> it's a good thing i don't use it very much 
[08:00:34] <asarkar> IceKarma: Heh, I taught one of my friends how to do it by teaching them the same way I learned to flutter tongue
[08:00:44] <IceKarma> asarkar, hah
[08:00:47] <Althir> Someone's barbecuing.
[08:00:50] <colt> Angua: But if you do it really well, the 'r's would probably be pretty thrilled!
[08:00:59] <Althir> Alternatively, my GPU rendering got out of hand. EVACUATE!
[08:01:04] <Angua> i'm actually not bad at trilling my rs
[08:01:06] <IceKarma> asarkar, I've completely blanked, what woodwind did/do you play?
[08:01:11] <asarkar> IceKarma: Clarinet
[08:01:11] <Bucket> Clarinet is a gateway instrument
[08:01:16] <Althir> Hehe, blowing wood.
[08:01:17] <asarkar> IceKarma: (did)
[08:01:25] <IceKarma> =^.^=
[08:01:36] <asarkar> Althir: And licking the reed to moisten it, to boot
[08:01:41] <Althir> Rawr!
[08:01:49] * IceKarma is also an (ex-)clarinettist, alongside an (ex-)recorder player
[08:01:50] <Althir> I'm so stiff right now.
[08:02:00] <Holzi> Althir: am now.
[08:02:01] <Kliment> Bucket: remember Althir so
[08:02:03] <Althir> That's just my back though.
[08:02:03] <Bucket> Okay, Kliment, remembering "I'm so stiff right now.".
[08:02:50] <Althir> Holzi: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2829734/New/3D/Container_Test_2.jpg
[08:03:45] <asarkar> Althir: How many samples per pixel is that?
[08:03:45] <Holzi> Althir: that seems better
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[08:04:02] <Kliment> Althir: grainy!
[08:04:04] <Althir> asarkar: Around ten, it renders a bunch slower in Full HD.
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[08:04:08] <Holzi> but yeah, lower the saturation of the boxes
[08:04:14] <Althir> I already did.
[08:04:25] <Holzi> for that frame?
[08:04:36] <asarkar> Althir: Surprisingly good for 10...I remember when I implemented a path tracer I needed a lot more to get that level of noise
[08:04:49] <Althir> They're supposed to be colourful, they're bloody tetrominoes. If I wanted that realistic I would've modelled some atual parcels and given them carboard textures.
[08:05:00] <Holzi> :D
[08:05:09] <Holzi> Althir: in that case, don't ;)
[08:05:18] <Althir> asarkar: What renderer were you using?
[08:05:26] <asarkar> Althir: I was coding the renderer >_>
[08:05:26] <Holzi> Ambient Occlusion path is included?
[08:05:37] <Althir> asarkar: Aaah. Okay. Yeah, this is one I downloaded :D
[08:05:37] <Holzi> asarkar: why on earth?
[08:05:44] <IceKarma> um, as someone who knows nothing at all about 3D rendering, is there a nice short answer to why that looks grainy?
[08:05:46] <asarkar> Holzi: It was for my computer graphics course
[08:06:00] <Althir> IceKarma: Basically, because it computes that thing one photon at a time.
[08:06:06] <Althir> Every photon is a dot.
[08:06:15] <Holzi> ^-
[08:06:20] <Althir> And the more photons (samples) you have, the less grainy it is.
[08:06:39] <IceKarma> ahhh
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[08:07:01] <Lhyzz> oh I thought it was a photograph taken in a dark room.
[08:07:20] <Althir> I want to render this up to maybe a thousand samples per pixel - which on full HD means two billion samples total.
[08:07:25] <IceKarma> it does resemble film grain, or low light CCD noise 
[08:07:57] <frogg> I roll an R on erm, air, kinda
[08:08:07] <frogg> about as Dutch as I get
[08:08:23] <Althir> IceKarma: Funny enough, when I showed this one - https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2829734/New/Photographs/Goodbye.jpg - to someone they assumed it was a render because of the grain. Then I remade it as an actual render.
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[08:08:45] <Althir> Which looks like this: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2829734/New/3D/Goodbye.jpg
[08:09:08] <IceKarma> heh, I remember that pair =3
[08:09:43] <Althir> Yeah, I was already here when I started experimenting with LuxRender.
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[08:10:20] <Holzi> Althir: that goodbye is some heave grain/noise
[08:10:30] <Holzi> Althir: digital or analogue camera?
[08:10:37] <Althir> Digital. But bad lighting.
[08:10:51] <IceKarma> Holzi, and then JPEGged
[08:10:51] <Althir> I don't have any good light sources available.
[08:11:33] <Holzi> Althir: Iso above 800 I assume?
[08:11:43] <IceKarma> asarkar, ... hang on, bits clicking together in head, does that mean you played the opening glissando =3
[08:11:44] <Althir> I'd have to check.
[08:12:09] <Althir> 500, actually.
[08:12:13] <Holzi> IceKarma: the grain principle is actually pretty much the same in photography and digital rendering. It is exactly the same in digital photography and rendering, but nearly the same in analogue and render
[08:12:30] <Holzi> Althir: that's an odd iso number. camera make?
[08:12:36] <Althir> HTC One. It's my phone.
[08:12:45] <Holzi> Ah
[08:12:54] <IceKarma> Holzi, digital cameras are free to interpolate between the film ISO ratings ;3
[08:13:08] <Althir> And I looked up the data on DeviantArt actually, since that's faster than finding out how to check it on the actual JPG.
[08:13:12] <Holzi> IceKarma: yes they are, but most of the manufactures stick to old habits
[08:13:20] <Holzi> hence an iso 500 still sounds off :D
[08:13:29] <creature> Do any of you have Safari to hand? 
[08:13:40] <njsg> Althir: doesn't windows already show that in the file properties?
[08:13:45] <IceKarma> yeah, I can agree with that
[08:14:00] <IceKarma> sorry, I haven't reinstalled anything but Chrome since getting my SSD last December
[08:14:04] <Althir> Hm. Might be. But now I already know, so whatever.
[08:14:13] <njsg> Althir: sure, this is EXIF, under linux I'd just use exiftool, but even from the times of 98 with some system upgrades, programs could add custom metadata to the file properties dialog, I'd be quite surprised if JPEG EXIF wasn't shown by default
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[08:14:17] <IceKarma> er, outside of my regular Firefox, that is
[08:14:52] <Althir> njsg: You are correct. Even says "no flash". Fancy.
[08:15:13] <IceKarma> it's kind of neat just how much information about the camera EXIF can capture.
[08:15:27] <IceKarma> I still need a good tool for stripping EXIF data, though
[08:15:38] <Branes> creature: I do, why?
[08:16:06] <Althir> Gah, pain.
[08:16:06] <IceKarma> the last time I wanted to do that, I ended up using a Linux command-line tool that was, uh, cumbersome
[08:16:15] <Althir> It's not entirely nice when the painkillers wear off.
[08:16:18] <creature> Branes: Got something I need tested. :) I'll PM you. 
[08:16:23] <IceKarma> Althir, indeed not =|
[08:16:26] <Branes> Kay-oh
[08:16:37] <rcombs> strace time!
[08:17:00] <njsg> IceKarma: the fun thing about EXIF is how you can just add tags, I'm not sure if it's entirely at random, or if the ones I add already exist
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[08:17:17] <njsg> IceKarma: but there's information I  want to keep together with the photo, I just use exiftool and it's done
[08:17:20] <Althir> Does EXIF have a "Penis Girth" tag?
[08:17:35] <njsg> exiftool also works with PNG, so even my PNGs have URL information
[08:18:09] <uberushaximus> Bucket: remember Althir EXIF
[08:18:10] <Bucket> Okay, uberushaximus, remembering "Does EXIF have a "Penis Girth" tag?".
[08:18:27] <rcombs> Althir: it does now
[08:18:30] <Althir> Darn.
[08:18:32] <IceKarma> njsg, sure
[08:18:48] <IceKarma> njsg, my phone records a bunch of information, including my geographic coordinates, whenever I take a picture
[08:18:53] <njsg> eww
[08:18:58] <njsg> mine apparently can do that
[08:19:07] <njsg> (read: heck if I ever enable that)
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[08:19:09] <IceKarma> njsg, but I would prefer to strip my location, among other things, before I release pictures into the Internet
[08:19:20] <IceKarma> njsg, I think it's useful -- I just don't want to broadcast that data
[08:19:26] <njsg> no idea about windows. I do have a command somewhere that does it for me here, though
[08:19:36] <njsg> yeah, I do strip all of the EXIF data when I share some JPEG
[08:19:47] <uberushaximus> exiftool -all= image.jpg
[08:19:59] <comma8> I feel that false EXIF data would be more interesting than stripping it
[08:20:06] <njsg> exiftool  -overwrite_original  -all="" 
[08:20:06] <Althir> Yeah, under Properties - Details you can click "Remove Properties and Personal Information", I reckon that'll strip the EXIF entirely.
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[08:20:14] <IceKarma> Althir, ooh
[08:20:34] <njsg> can you select all and use that option as well?
[08:20:43] <Althir> Just noticed it. And it looks like you can CHOOSE which information to remove, too.
[08:20:50] <njsg> or does properties on multiple selected files bring up a dozen properties dialogs?
[08:21:05] <Althir> That it doesn't.
[08:21:06] <Bucket> http://thatitdoesnt.tumblr.com/
[08:21:09] <IceKarma> njsg, one useless dialog with only the file size tab
[08:21:26] <njsg> :-\
[08:21:28] <IceKarma> njsg, you can't even change file attributes, never mind permissions, on multiple files at once any more >.<
[08:21:29] <Althir> Actually, for me it shows the "Details" tab with multiple files selected.
[08:21:47] * njsg mutters something about windows 4.10.1998 being better
[08:21:48] <IceKarma> Althir, 8(.1)?
[08:21:54] <Althir> IceKarma: 8.1 Pro.
[08:22:05] <IceKarma> hm, I haven't actually tried that since WIndows 7
[08:22:23] <Althir> I'd still be on XP if I hadn't gotten a free copy of 8.1 :D
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[08:22:31] <IceKarma> ah, properties, details, file attributes, no perms
[08:23:14] <IceKarma> yeah, my copy was a gift, too
[08:23:31] <IceKarma> well. my *license* was.
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[08:23:34] <Althir> Not so much a gift, got it from the university, they have a deal with Microsoft.
[08:24:56] <Althir> Ugh, whoever is barbecuing just set hair on fire. Should I call an ambulance?
[08:26:10] <Snoof> Probably.
[08:26:11] <Bucket> Probably?  It's a certai-
[08:26:16] <uberushaximus> Is it going to spread?
[08:26:24] <uberushaximus> have they suffered serious burns yet?
[08:26:33] <Althir> Can't smell that.
[08:26:34] <Bucket> That would be a good name for a band.
[08:26:45] <Althir> Bwahahahah
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[08:29:54] <XanT> I got constantly confused between Link and Zelda for practically half my life.
[08:30:15] <creature> Any other Safari users (non-mobile) kicking around? 
[08:30:32] * Althir kicks around some Safari users
[08:30:45] <uberushaximus> creature: you're an endangered species
[08:31:04] <creature> uberushaximus: I'm not using it, that's why I need one. To help me test. :) 
[08:31:15] <uberushaximus> creature: just install it?
[08:31:16] <Bucket> "Just Install It" would be a nice name for a rock band.
[08:31:23] <creature> On Linux? 
[08:31:49] <uberushaximus> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=20398
[08:31:51] <uberushaximus> Yes.
[08:31:58] <Althir> Only tonight: "Can't Smell That" and "Just Install It", LIVE ON STAGE!
[08:31:58] <njsg> ...
[08:31:59] <Bucket> [There is silence, and then a suffusion of yellow.]
[08:32:09] <XanT> Stick Zelda in the name of every game and put Link on all your posters then what am I to think.
[08:32:11] <njsg> uberushaximus: install the windows version of an apple program in linux?
[08:32:19] <uberushaximus> njsg: yo dawg
[08:32:19] <Bucket> http://cheezcomixed.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/129023790921020549.jpg
[08:32:29] <njsg> uberushaximus: something tells me it'd be better to have a more direct port given that the application is a UNIX application
[08:32:45] <uberushaximus> njsg: good luck with that
[08:32:57] <uberushaximus> there's plenty of webkit browsers, only one is safari
[08:33:21] <njsg> konqueror
[08:33:37] <uberushaximus> pretty sure they've grown apart
[08:33:44] <XanT> God I hate konqueror. I dont even know how that browser manages to be so terrible.
[08:34:05] <uberushaximus> It gave use KHTML, the grandfather of Webkit and Blink
[08:34:17] <Holzi> "Can't smell that" the new grunge band covering all of the nirvana songs
[08:34:26] <uberushaximus> I still love gecko <3
[08:34:28] <njsg> "Just a note that now Chromium no longer uses WebKit" <-- wait, what?
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[08:34:35] <IceKarma> njsg, yup
[08:34:41] <IceKarma> njsg, they're using their own fork now, called Blink
[08:35:01] <njsg> sigh.
[08:35:10] <uberushaximus> Which opera (wait, they still exist?) uses
[08:35:14] <IceKarma> njsg, approximately, they decided they were tired of trying to get Apple to go along with the directions they wanted to take Webkit and Chrome
[08:35:16] <uberushaximus> they dumped presto
[08:35:42] <uberushaximus> also they didn't like having to deal with a lot of code they were never going to target
[08:35:43] <IceKarma> and yeah, Opera is now just a wrapper around Blink
[08:35:58] <creature> I am PROBABLY going to switch to Chrome at some point. Which I am not very happy with.
[08:35:59] <njsg> IceKarma: well, google being google, I think it's a *good* thing that they fork it
[08:36:13] <njsg> because otherwise everything else has to stand with google's variant of GNOME's interface nazism
[08:36:13] * IceKarma was pretty surprised at *Opera* abandoning their HTML renderer etc.
[08:36:34] <XanT> I am still pissed that Opera basically destroyed their browser.
[08:36:47] <njsg> opera going windows only and blink is a sad day, it means the market is now reduced to firefox and chromium
[08:37:01] <IceKarma> I mean, I get that it makes more sense to use somebody else's web browser core than to continue to pour their limited resources into trying to keep up with their own
[08:37:02] <uberushaximus> IceKarma: I imagine it was coming down to just becoming fed up with everything using webkit nowadays
[08:37:16] <njsg> and a two-sided rivalry is not a good thing, it makes people forget that there is the option of just letting all of them coexist
[08:37:24] <IceKarma> but still, I would almost have expected the Opera folks to close their doors, than to switch
[08:37:40] <njsg> it'd have made much more sense
[08:37:42] <XanT> Yeah, when they first gave this news I thought. Awesome! My Opera browser with all the backend power of Google!
[08:37:52] <njsg> like nokia could have just shut down their smartphone division when elop became their CEO
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[08:38:20] <njsg> -> macgyver
[08:38:58] <XanT> but then it turns out they just made Chrome, only much worse.
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[08:42:28] <frogg> http://typerider.arte.tv/#/ game about typography
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[08:44:58] <XanT> Thats on the current humble bundle in case people were looking for a place to buy it.
[08:45:07] <frogg> Yes <_<
[08:45:26] <frogg> Tis where I found it. Have you played it, XanT?
[08:45:47] <XanT> Not yet. Minecraft is distracting me.
[08:46:20] <uberushaximus> MeinKraft
[08:47:13] <Holzi> bad uberushaximus 
[08:47:35] * uberushaximus barks
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[08:50:14] <njsg> and now night rider?
[08:50:34] <njsg> heck, if my grampa lived here, sunday afternoons would be much better for him
[08:50:43] <IceKarma> frog, harrumph. can't get the page to work.
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[08:51:47] <frogg> IceKarma: https://www.humblebundle.com/#game-info-type_rider
[08:52:24] <IceKarma> frogg, it's likely something in my browser, keeping it from working
[08:52:31] <IceKarma> so I'm installing Chrome, after finding I hadn't already
[08:52:36] <frogg> ahhh
[08:52:43] <frogg> What browser are you using?
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[08:53:07] <IceKarma> Firefox, plus AdBlockPlus, NoScript, and RequestPolicy >.>
[08:53:22] <IceKarma> but even turning those off for that site didn't help >.>
[08:54:07] <frogg> yeah
[08:56:02] <njsg> IceKarma: which site, typerideR?
[08:56:21] <njsg> IceKarma: also, did you whitelist the site or turn noscript off?
[08:56:28] <IceKarma> njsg, yes, and yes
[08:56:39] <IceKarma> njsg, I've been using AdBlock Plus and NoScript for years, I know how to work them =P
[08:56:48] <IceKarma> njsg, I don't encounter sites I can't make work at all very often
[08:56:56] <Kliment> IceKarma: I went even more paranoid :)
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[08:57:13] <njsg> ... uh, this is shockwave flash?
[08:57:35] <IceKarma> Kliment, heh, I'm kind of wishing that RequestPolicy had an 'inverse' mode, blacklist rather than whitelist
[08:57:38] <IceKarma> njsg, not normally a problem
[08:57:48] <njsg> ok, is this a web browser game or just a site for a game?
[08:57:58] <njsg> because I can't find a game, just buttons that show me youtube
[08:57:58] <IceKarma> njsg, having got it working in Chrome, there's only videos
[08:57:59] <IceKarma> njsg,k no game
[08:58:07] <IceKarma> s/,k/,/
[08:58:12] <Kliment> IceKarma: There's other extensions that do it that way but that's not safe enough for me
[08:58:30] <IceKarma> Kliment, no, I get you
[08:58:33] <Kliment> IceKarma: Like Ghostery and Disconnect
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[08:58:40] <njsg> Kliment: for me, the only way to solve this mess would be to educate javascript and cookies as bad by default
[08:58:47] <njsg> the lack for decent cookie filtering systems does not help
[08:58:55] <IceKarma> Kliment, I've mostly had RP switched off, because it breaks _everything_, and unlike NoScript I have to load the page twenty seven times to enable cross-site requests
[08:59:05] <njsg> and I don't think there's any way to ensure that you can keep two sites disjoint if you use the same browser profile
[08:59:17] <njsg> I can't afford to clean cookies because sometimes I *want* to keep cookies
[08:59:23] <Kliment> IceKarma: I like it to break everything
[08:59:23] <njsg> (one case has to be duckduckgo settings)
[08:59:25] <IceKarma> (NoScript keeps the menu open so you can allow or deny more than one site per menu opening)
[08:59:38] <Kliment> IceKarma: It frustrates me on sites that I want to dislike
[08:59:55] <njsg> the problem with noscript is that you can't compute all of the javascript dependencies at once
[09:00:01] <njsg> because some javascript is loaded from javascript
[09:00:07] <njsg> which makes the whole thing a fucking mess
[09:00:08] <IceKarma> Kliment, sure. me, though, I fall somewhere in between the super-paranoid like you and the ones who don't care at all ;3
[09:00:14] <njsg> it's not noscript's foul, it's the site's foul
[09:00:15] <Kliment> njsg: I use cookie controller, it's decent
[09:00:31] <njsg> and now this idea of using cloud-based storage for scripts is making things worse
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[09:00:36] <Kliment> IceKarma: Then use Disconnect and Ghostery
[09:00:48] <njsg> instead of whitelisting dropbox.com, I must whitelist a third party cloud service lots of people use
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[09:01:11] <IceKarma> njsg, yeah, add RequestPolicy to the mix, then you can further control what sites are allowed to hit the destination
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[09:01:20] <IceKarma> enable the site in NoScript, finer control in RP
[09:01:29] * Branes just feels the entire WWW is broken
[09:01:40] <IceKarma> Branes, I don't really disagree
[09:01:49] <njsg> the entire WWW became broken the moment people decided to add dynamic content, I'd say
[09:01:58] <njsg> it's neat, but dynamic content has been *ruining* several aspects of the web
[09:02:07] <XanT> Damn people wanting see more than static text. 
[09:02:21] * IceKarma decides this is a good time to mention that she's a pragmatist. ;3
[09:02:43] <uberushaximus> For cookies I use Self-Destructing Cookies
[09:03:01] <uberushaximus> Along with RequestPolicy, NoScript, and AdblockEdge, things are nice
[09:03:28] <IceKarma> uberushaximus, is it me, or is it a bit ridiculous, though, that you need anywhere between two and five plugins on top of the browser to control things sufficiently >.>
[09:03:40] <uberushaximus> it's rediculous
[09:03:42] <njsg> it's ridiculous.
[09:03:44] <uberushaximus> the web is a cesspool
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[09:04:00] <IceKarma> (sort of trying to get at "this shit ought to be an inherent part of browsers")
[09:04:09] <njsg> it should
[09:04:09] <XanT> I only need ghostery currently. 
[09:04:20] <njsg> but firefox, for example, is trying to get rid of these features as well
[09:04:30] <njsg> they just removed per-domain user agent overrides recently
[09:04:38] <njsg> you can still enable it by running some javascript on startup
[09:04:38] <XanT> but thats in old Opera, I suspect new Opera has gutted the systems that control flash loading and blocking just like they gutted everything else.
[09:04:48] <njsg> but now, their suggestion is "use an extension for that"
[09:04:49] <IceKarma> njsg, I imagine they must think it's a win to push functionality out of the browser core and into plugins
[09:04:58] <uberushaximus> they're taking that whole "But think of the users!" approach that GNOME loves
[09:05:08] <njsg> uberushaximus: that's "interface nazism"
[09:05:19] <Branes> Best kind.
[09:05:27] * IceKarma thinks it's funny that people are decrying GNOME for interface Naziism but not Apple. =P
[09:05:46] <IceKarma> when Apple IMO is the undisputed master of "you don't need that"
[09:05:51] <njsg> mandatory mention https://mail.gnome.org/archives/usability/2005-December/msg00022.html
[09:05:58] <andrek> You both are right!
[09:06:16] <uberushaximus> IceKarma: I try to keep myself blissfully ignorant of apple's behaviour
[09:06:24] <IceKarma> and for what it's worth... I've /never/ liked GNOME
[09:06:38] <IceKarma> but do not misconstrue that to mean I am a KDE fan, because I don't like KDE, either
[09:06:45] <uberushaximus> GNOME2 was nice, I've fallen for tiling window managers though
[09:06:48] <XanT> They pretty much all suck.
[09:06:54] <njsg> it's not like it's just KDE and GNOME...
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[09:06:59] <IceKarma> a tiny bit more than GNOME, yes, but, well, remember, I abandoned X in 2001
[09:07:07] <XanT> XFCE also sucks, its just not in your face as much.
[09:07:13] <uberushaximus> IceKarma: what do you use instead?
[09:07:27] <XanT> Although I think Im about ready to go back to KDE again.
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[09:07:30] <Althir> Zed.
[09:07:30] * IceKarma _has_ periodically looked at the alternatives on Linux, but keeps deciding they all still suck. Wayland is a bright point on the horizon.
[09:07:38] <IceKarma> uberushaximus, on my desktop? Windows 8.1.
[09:07:40] <njsg> uberushaximus: MS Windows GDI?
[09:07:42] <Bucket> That would be a good name for a band.
[09:07:44] <XanT> I bloody hope so.
[09:07:46] <uberushaximus> IceKarma: :(
[09:07:46] <njsg> or... well
[09:07:53] <njsg> what's the windows name for the graphical subsystem?
[09:07:59] <IceKarma> uberushaximus, "pragmatist"
[09:08:02] <njsg> I take it GDI must just be a small part.
[09:08:32] <IceKarma> njsg, I'm... I'm not quite sure. Windows 7 introduced DWM, or, the Desktop Window Manager
[09:08:58] <Althir> Eh, GDI. I always preferred the Brotherhood of Nod.
[09:09:04] <uberushaximus> DWM wasn't part of NT6?
[09:09:12] <Branes> njsg: It doesn't have one
[09:09:17] <IceKarma> uberushaximus, uh, it might have been Vista, yes
[09:09:19] <Holzi> Althir++
[09:09:20] <Bucket> ALLOFITHIR!
[09:09:27] <forward4> I keep looking for a new comic but then I remember n?o? ?p?o?s?t? ?o?n? ?s?u?n?d?a?y?s? no comics on sundays
[09:09:27] <Bucket> Bananas!
[09:09:31] <IceKarma> uberushaximus, I skipped Vista, so I'm a bit fuzzy on what was new there and what was actually new in 7
[09:09:36] <uberushaximus> http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa969540%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
[09:09:46] <uberushaximus> Desktop App UI
[09:09:50] <uberushaximus> Top lel
[09:09:55] <Holzi> Althir: well done. Now I want to play command and conquer
[09:09:59] <uberushaximus> App App App App App App App
[09:10:07] <forward4> >top kek
[09:10:30] <Althir> My mission is complete.
[09:10:33] <IceKarma> and yes, GDI apps under DWM are... a bit different
[09:10:39] <uberushaximus> Was going to reply with greentext but colors are banned
[09:10:47] <Branes> I must admit I find it amusing that the Jobs-ism "app" has now become a standard term in computing.
[09:11:04] <forward4> It's short for application, so it fits.
[09:11:11] <uberushaximus> I'm a bit shaken every time I hear someone using it seriously
[09:11:13] <IceKarma> it used to be that the window manager told an app exactly which bits of its window needed to be repainted
[09:11:26] <IceKarma> now, under DWM, every repaint request is a request to repaint _everything_
[09:11:34] <IceKarma> and DWM sorts out which bits actually need to be repainted
[09:12:03] <The0x539> dair dair dair dair
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[09:12:40] <IceKarma> heh, by making every window into a surface with a pair of triangles with bitmap textures and making it the graphics card's problem ;3
[09:13:50] <uberushaximus> I wish wayland worked correctly with my graphics driver
[09:13:54] <Branes> At least it's not as ungainly as Apple's approach, where *everything* is a 3D shape in 3D space.
[09:13:59] <uberushaximus> I have to use it within x
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[09:14:40] <creature> If I want to open-source a web application, I should use the AGPL for that, right? 
[09:15:03] <uberushaximus> dafuq
[09:15:10] <XanT> Doesnt that rather depend on what you want.
[09:15:11] <uberushaximus> my tooltip windows in firefox are huge
[09:15:17] <uberushaximus> creature: yes
[09:15:25] <uberushaximus> specifically the AGPL 3.0
[09:15:38] <forward4> uberushaximus it's just an allergic reaction. Stab your motherboard with an epipen
[09:16:20] <uberushaximus> I can't imagine getting fluids inside my computer is conducive to proper function
[09:16:52] <IceKarma> uberushaximus, liquid cooling =P
[09:17:06] <forward4> uberushaximus Vista ran on whisky
[09:17:21] <uberushaximus> forward4: is this a reference to the ballmer curve?
[09:18:02] <forward4> uberushaximus: no, it's a fact that OS X runs on the blood of virgins.
[09:18:17] <forward4> Sacrificed to the sun god Ra
[09:18:43] <DeadbeatEngineer> I prefer making my sacrifices to the Morrigan
[09:18:50] <DeadbeatEngineer> that bitch gets shit done
[09:19:17] <forward4> DeadbeatEngineer: Well I prefer making mine to Linus Torvalds, but nothing ever happens.
[09:19:28] <DeadbeatEngineer> forward4++
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[09:20:09] <rcombs> Bucket: culture
[09:20:11] <Bucket> John Cage - Water Walk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSulycqZH-U
[09:20:29] <uberushaximus> Sup combsy
[09:20:30] <rcombs> Bucket: culture <reply> Animenz - Nagi no Asukara Medley https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zKejX-up-k
[09:20:32] <Bucket> Okay, rcombs.
[09:21:09] <rcombs> (that is 9:14 of piano excellence)
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[09:22:06] <forward4> It was 9:14 AM 8 minutes ago
[09:22:25] <rcombs> forward4: get out of my time zone
[09:22:35] <njsg> 17:09 < uberushaximus> DWM wasn't part of NT6? <-- isn't Windows 7 NT 6?
[09:22:50] <uberushaximus> njsg: 6.1
[09:22:51] <grawity> it is, yes
[09:22:52] <rcombs> Windows 7 is 6.1
[09:23:04] <rcombs> 8 is 6.2; I think 8.1 is 6.3, but I'm not quite sure of that
[09:23:20] <forward4> rcombs: No. I'm perfectly happy living in Kansas. ACtually, I hate it. I was born in virginia for god's sake. I want to live near a coast.
[09:23:30] <njsg> so windows NT 6 is when the home line UI started sucking much more for me :-P
[09:23:35] <uberushaximus> rcombs: you are correct
[09:23:35] <Bucket> But only for small values of two.
[09:23:50] <rcombs> (it's really silly; they refuse to do a major version bump internally because some stupid apps fail with a higher major version)
[09:23:58] <forward4> I love how hardly anyone uses Windows 8 and yet Windows 9 is only a year away.
[09:24:11] <njsg> rcombs: the biggest problem is that they're using numbers for their marketing versioning as well
[09:24:16] <uberushaximus> rcombs: Microsoft is the king of kludge
[09:24:16] <rcombs> njsg: yeah
[09:24:19] <njsg> rcombs: they could just use the traditional year versioning
[09:24:22] <njsg> in fact, wtf
[09:24:35] <rcombs> honestly, I prefer the numbered versioning, but for the love of sanity, keep consistency
[09:24:40] <njsg> the server and workstation line, which used to be referred to by the NT version name, is now referred by an year name
[09:25:00] <njsg> and the home line, which used to be referred by an year name, is now named after some unrelated number
[09:25:03] <rcombs> and if stupid apps fail on a higher major version, the correct course of action is to slap the developers with a trout
[09:25:12] <njsg> microsoft is going to be acquired by fox someday
[09:25:17] <uberushaximus> how about with a hammer
[09:25:27] <njsg> and then we will have windows with higher numbers that are older than windows with lower numbers
[09:25:37] <njsg> rcombs: some applications are going to fail anyway
[09:25:44] <rcombs> njsg++
[09:25:45] <Bucket> njsg's logic increased!
[09:25:51] <njsg> rcombs: some applications don't conceive anything other than IA-32 on the home line
[09:26:02] <rcombs> MS is backwards-compatibility to the death
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[09:26:28] <njsg> rcombs: some weeks ago someone posted here a screenshot of a site (by microsofT?) saying "you're not running XP", seems that they forgot to hilight that they were detecting Windows XP for IA-32, SP3
[09:26:57] <njsg> the check went "false" because the system was Windows XP (NT 5.2, amd64)
[09:27:06] <rcombs> wow
[09:27:06] <The0x539> wt*F*
[09:27:19] <rcombs> (user-agents are also totally fucked, btw)
[09:27:20] <The0x539> also, I think that person was me
[09:27:27] <njsg> and it's correct to be false, because XP NT 5.2 is still supported
[09:27:42] <njsg> it's just that they could have worded it a bit better
[09:27:44] <The0x539> but the site is am I running XP
[09:27:44] <uberushaximus> Is the amd64 variant supported anymore?
[09:27:52] <The0x539> not am I running the version to not be supported
[09:27:54] <The0x539> :P
[09:27:58] * The0x539 goes downstairs
[09:27:59] <rcombs> "Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10_9_3) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/33.0.1750.152 Safari/537.36"
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[09:28:07] <njsg> people screaming "Windows XP is going to be unsupported" don't help if "Windows XP" also denotes stuff that's going to be supported for more years
[09:28:17] <uberushaximus> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:28.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/28.0
[09:28:17] <njsg> uberushaximus: yes, it is
[09:28:18] <Bucket> I agree.
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[09:28:44] <njsg> uberushaximus: the amd64 (and the IA64 one too?) variants were released *after* the IA-32 one
[09:29:02] <rcombs> njsg: difference between amd64 and IA64?
[09:29:05] <uberushaximus> njsg: but nobody builds drivers for that kernel, it's so hard to find support
[09:29:06] <njsg> uberushaximus: by microsoft's own rules, at least XP for amd64 is going to be supported for some more years
[09:29:12] <njsg> rcombs: IA64, intel itanium
[09:29:15] <rcombs> oh, Itanium
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[09:29:28] <rcombs> that doesn't really count as an arch :\
[09:29:29] <njsg> rcombs: amd64, AMD 64 bit architecture, also used by intel for consumer 64 bit
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[09:29:47] <njsg> rcombs: it *is* a different arch, the only processor family I know of that uses IA64 is itanium
[09:29:58] <rcombs> njsg: it technically is one, but…
[09:30:01] <njsg> rcombs: most likely because everyone else adopted amd64
[09:30:04] <rcombs> nobody actually cares
[09:30:16] <njsg> amd64 is not IA64, you need to care if you want to run software there
[09:30:35] <rcombs> but nobody needs to run software on IA64, and nobody needs to run IA64-compiled software
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[09:30:54] <njsg> rcombs: except that there are IA64 computers, there are servers running IA64
[09:31:00] <rcombs> njsg: sure, like 4 of them
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[09:31:22] <njsg> rcombs: you're telling intel *server* processors now use amd64?
[09:31:34] <njsg> as in, itanium now uses amd64?
[09:32:11] <grawity> what does that even mean?
[09:32:17] <grawity> Itanium is exactly IA64, nothing else
[09:32:23] <grawity> they're two names for the same architecture
[09:32:24] <njsg> grawity: read above
[09:32:34] <njsg> grawity: rcombs is saying that IA64 is not relevant anymore
[09:32:41] <uberushaximus> no, but XEON use amd64
[09:32:46] <njsg> grawity: either intel stopped making itanium, or they switched itanium to something other than IA64
[09:33:02] <grawity> njsg: I'd guess the former
[09:33:16] <rcombs> njsg: they're still made, but hardly relevant
[09:33:28] <njsg> wiki says "to present"
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[09:34:30] <njsg> anyway, in the case being discussed, IA64 and amd64 are different and matter
[09:34:37] <njsg> because different windows releases were made for these arches
[09:34:55] <njsg> I think windows XP for IA64 is not the same as windows XP for amd64, even as a product
[09:34:59] <grawity> yeah, Windows XP "64-bit edition" vs "x64 edition"?
[09:35:10] <njsg> so the end of support may differ depending on how much service packs they got
[09:35:11] <grawity> the former was IA64
[09:36:31] <rcombs> (point: Windows 8 and 8.1 don't have IA64 versions)
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[09:37:12] <uberushaximus> XP and server 2008r2 were the last nt versions to support it
[09:37:16] <rcombs> (nor does Windows Server 2012)
[09:37:27] <rcombs> (so again, it still exists, but not even Microsoft gives a fuck)
[09:37:34] <njsg> rcombs: and?
[09:37:43] <njsg> rcombs: "microsoft does not give a fuck" does not mean it does not exist
[09:37:54] <IceKarma> it's a little bit amusing to me, all the platforms that Microsoft have ported Windows to and later discontinued after only a few versions
[09:37:59] <IceKarma> and x86/x64 keep ticking along
[09:38:11] <njsg> rcombs: microsoft may have their own reasons for whatever they decided
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[09:38:29] <njsg> rcombs: also, we are discussing just now that XP had versions for IA64 and amd64 *after* the one for IA32
[09:38:33] <IceKarma> Alpha, MIPS, PowerPC, maybe SPARC, IA64
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[09:38:40] <njsg> rcombs: so XP, when released also had no version for IA64 or amd64
[09:39:01] <njsg> rcombs: it's kind of a weak argument to say that it does not exist anymore just because microsoft didn't make a release
[09:39:09] <rcombs> njsg: I'm not saying it doesn't exist
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[09:39:16] <uberushaximus> IceKarma: what was the mips platform release? some Windows CE thing?
[09:39:22] <rcombs> njsg: I'm saying that nobody cares that it does
[09:39:22] <IceKarma> uberushaximus, no! real NT!
[09:39:37] <uberushaximus> IceKarma: wot.
[09:39:40] <IceKarma> rcombs, .. OpenVMS weenies are probably about it ;3
[09:39:46] <IceKarma> uberushaximus, around NT4
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[09:40:07] <uberushaximus> ah
[09:40:17] <uberushaximus> That actually sounds familar now
[09:40:28] <IceKarma> and for what it's worth: I've talked to someone who's familiar with the Windows source. apparently the x86 and x64 platforms are implemented 100% separately, no sharing at all between them
[09:40:36] <rcombs> wot
[09:40:41] <IceKarma> yyyyyup
[09:40:46] <barometz> o.O
[09:40:54] <uberushaximus> Oh wow
[09:40:59] <IceKarma> there -is- stuff that could be sensibly shared between them... but it's not
[09:41:05] <uberushaximus> that's sort of hard to believe
[09:41:06] <barometz> that is kind of frightening
[09:41:15] <IceKarma> and the nature of the code is apparently... hacky
[09:41:22] <barometz> I mean I'm sure there are Reasons but what.
[09:41:37] <rcombs> (meanwhile, I give you… the Win64 calling convention!)
[09:41:55] <IceKarma> rcombs, which in some respects is less fucked up than Win32
[09:42:02] <IceKarma> rcombs, for example, we don't have to do FPO any more
[09:42:05] <barometz> IceKarma: only kernel, I assume, or including the userspace bits?
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[09:42:10] <IceKarma> barometz, kernel
[09:42:47] <rcombs> IceKarma: but callee-saved XMM registers! (but not all of them!)
[09:42:49] <IceKarma> rcombs, so it's possible nowadays to walk through the stack of release build objects without needing external information as to how the hell the stack is constructed
[09:43:39] <IceKarma> rcombs, also I think there are worse calling conventions: at least Windows doesn't do everything with RIP-relative addressing >.>
[09:44:20] <IceKarma> not too terribly difficult for your compiler, but boy is it a pain otherwise
[09:44:45] <rcombs> my assembler is fine with it :P
[09:45:00] <rcombs> `DEFAULT REL`
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[09:46:08] <IceKarma> rcombs, I suppose I should've said "assembler"
[09:46:34] <IceKarma> rcombs, although MSVC e.g. does not generate assembler source and assemble it
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[09:47:33] <pirayce> Hello
[09:47:37] * rcombs installs VS2013 in his fresh 8.1 VM
[09:47:43] <IceKarma> and I'm not convinced that either approach is a win, because GCC still needs to know insane amounts of detail about a processor architecture for the optimizer to do its job, so it's not really "separating processor-specific knowledge"
[09:48:00] <uberushaximus> rcombs: be prepared to download like 5gb of extra useless stuff on install
[09:48:11] <rcombs> uberushaximus: yup!
[09:48:43] <rcombs> http://puu.sh/7YeKt.png <-- VMWare, go home, you're drunk
[09:49:07] <rcombs> (that window is twice as big as it should be)
[09:49:17] <IceKarma> rcombs, automagic Retina scaling?
[09:49:29] <uberushaximus> had to zoom in to notice
[09:49:43] <rcombs> IceKarma: yeah, VMWare gets a bit awkward with it
[09:51:16] <rcombs> and now my cursor is occasionally turning white and becoming ginormous
[09:51:53] <forward4> Sounds like an std
[09:52:14] <rcombs> I said "cursor", not "mushroom" or some variant thereof
[09:52:33] <IceKarma> you could probably argue that Windows is a disease, but it's not sexually transmitted =P
[09:52:45] <uberushaximus> speaking of cursors, I love this set http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=28310
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[09:52:57] <rcombs> IceKarma: have enough sex with someone and you'll likely end up using their preferred OS at some point
[09:53:30] * barometz puts Cootix in Bucket 
[09:53:31] * Bucket hands barometz a random wire in exchange for himself in exchange for Cootix
[09:53:49] <rcombs> Bucket, go home, you're drunk
[09:53:50] <Bucket> YOU go home. I'm drunk.
[09:54:00] <rcombs> I'm already at home
[09:54:02] <uberushaximus> rcombs: unless you only date within your LUG
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[09:54:20] <barometz> uberushaximus: you'd still end up using their OS, but on a separate account ;)
[09:56:44] <Bubo> Wait, how long ha windows had it's own virtual machine program
[09:56:56] <Althir> *its
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[09:57:02] <barometz> virtualPC has been around for a while, I think
[09:57:19] <uberushaximus> since 2009
[09:57:23] <barometz> "Windows Virtual PC (successor to Microsoft Virtual PC 2007, Microsoft Virtual PC 2004, and Connectix Virtual PC) is a virtualization program for Microsoft Windows." so at least about ten years
[09:57:34] <forward4> When I got my Dell Laptop, aside from the crapware, it came with a pretty good dell virtual pc program
[09:57:52] <Bubo> hmm ok, dont think I have had it ever preloaded
[09:57:58] <barometz> I hadn't heard of it before W7 Pro used it for XP mode
[09:58:00] <Bubo> apart from now
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[09:58:20] <uberushaximus> I used it on MacOSX before
[09:58:27] <uberushaximus> to emulate windows
[09:58:28] <Bucket> That would be a good name for a band.
[09:58:36] <uberushaximus> that was a horrible experience
[09:58:36] <Bubo> Yeh I have win 7 pro,Tink I had home on my last machine
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[09:58:54] <Bubo> I used it to play pinball
[09:59:18] <Althir> Were you deaf, dumb and blind?
[09:59:33] <XanT>