On the Media (OTM): ...how are the media to deal with Trump?
Michael Signer (MS): Not let him drive coverage toward areas that are purely self-serving. When I've watched a lot of interviews with him, these anchors have just let him run on and on. The real thing that needs to happen now is men and women of conscience who are in leadership positions in this country need to take this on squarely, not by lampooning him, not by playing into the entertainment shtick, but by calling Americans back to the basic values that are what we're proud of.
OTM: You say lampooning doesn't work?
MS: My study of demagogues shows that satire does not work. The rules in the normal state are that we value constitutional principles, we think about individuals in terms of who they are individually, not stereotypes. In Trump World, none of those things matter. So when you lampoon him or you satirize him or call him a clown or a carnival barker, none of that matters because they're showmen and they get how to agitate and connec