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Skinnay's Classic Hunter Gear lists (Alliance)

Skinnay's Classic Hunter Gear Lists (Alliance)

  • "True" BiS is the absolute best gear configuration given all the possible options. Often this doesn't give you a great picture of what you should be striving for, so realistic alternative sets are provided to plan for constraints that can occur with typical loot distribution.
  • Stat weights and dps values are based on Sixx's DPS sheet assuming full buffs, consumables, and boss debuffs with 20/31/0 spec, unless otherwise specified. These are of course subject to change with different variables.
  • Gear lists are based on their general effectiveness against all raid bosses as opposed to being tailored for specific bosses, unless otherwise specified.

Table of Contents

  1. Normal Ranged Rotation
  2. Melee Weaving Rotation
  3. Weapons
  4. Swap Trinkets

Normal Ranged rotation

Pre-raid P4

  • The power of Trueaim Gauntlets is due to how weapon skill is calculated against lvl 63s and raid bosses specifically. You may want to use devilsaur set and less hit gear for dungeons and other purposes.
ID Gear set DPS
A Trueaim 734.1
B Devilsaur 733.3
Stat eAP
1% Crit 32
1% Hit 35
1 Agi 2.6
1 Agi (kings) 2.85
1 Agi (zg) 3
1 Agi (kings+zg) 3.3

Phase 3

  • The dps provided by 5/8 tier set bonuses is situational and cannot be quantified, so it is not included in the dps calculations, but should be taken into consideration.
  • Replacing Elven Ring with Master Dragonslayer's Ring is a minor upgrade, but not really worth getting considering that it is easily replaceable, while the neck from the quest is PvP bis.
  • Full T2 sets do not include the debuff in the listed DPS, but it contributes roughly 9 dps per hunter on average, with large variance. i.e. ~90 dps for the 7 second duration of the buff with an average 10% uptime.
ID Gear set DPS AoE DPS
A True, 5/8 T2, R12 810 969.5
B True, R13 807.3 966.2
C True, 6/8 T2, R10 805.4 958.6
D Realistic, 4/8 T2, R12, Accuria 801.3 958.8
E Realistic, R13, Accuria 800.8 958
F Realistic, 3/8 T2, R12 798.7 955.5
G Realistic, R13 797.4 953.8
H Realistic, 5/8 T2, R12, Accuria 797 953.4
I Realistic, 5/8 T2, R10, Accuria 796.8 948.1
J True, T2 791 + 9 per hunter 940.9
K Realistic, 4/8 T2, R12 790 944.7
L Realistic, 5/8 T2, R10 789.9 939.5
M True, T1, Hit Scope 788.5 956.4
N True, T1, +7 Scope 788.5 956.5
O Realistic, 5/8 T2, R7, Accuria 787.5 941.4
P Realistic, 6/8 T2, Accuria 785.6 934.2
Q Realistic, T2, Accuria 784.3 + 9 per hunter 932.7
R Realistic, T1, Accuria 782.1 948.2
S Realistic, T1 778.7 944
T Realistic, T2 777.6 + 9 per hunter 924.3
Stat eAP
1% Crit 33
1% Hit 37.5
1 Agi 2.61
1 Agi (kings) 2.88

Phase 4

ID Gear set DPS AoE DPS
A True, 4/8 T2, R12 876.8 1050.4
B True, R13 875.2 1048.4
C Realistic, 5/8 T2, R12 871.5 1043.7
D Realistic, R13, Hit Scope 870 1041.8
E Realistic, 4/8 T2, R12 869.6 1041.3
F Realistic, R13, +7 Scope 868.2 1039.7
G Realistic, 3/8 T2, R12, +7 Scope 867.7 1039.2
H Realistic, 5/8 T2, R10 864.6 1029.6
I True, T2 858.1 + 9 per hunter 1008.6
J Realistic, 5/8 T2, R7 854.2 1022.2
K True, T1 852.6 1035.1
L Realistic, T2 851.1 + 9 per hunter 1012.9
M Realistic, T1, +7 Scope 848 1014.6
N Realistic, T1, Hit Scope, Unliving 847.5 1028.4
O Realistic, T1, Hit Scope, QSR 846.2 1026.8
P Realistic, T1, Hit Scope, Jin 844.9 1025.2
Stat eAP
1% Crit 34.5
1% Hit 40
1 Agi 2.62
1 Agi (kings) 2.9
1 Agi (zg) 3.03
1 Agi (kings+zg) 3.35

Phase 5

  • Due to the release of powerful new Use: trinkets, I'm no longer bothering to include DFT sets.
  • Cloak of the Fallen God is the BiS cloak, but unrealistic due to the other quest rewards (particularly the caster ring), so Cloak of the Shrouded Mists is used if you do not need the hit in that slot.
  • In the transition from ZG ring set before you have gotten Godslayer, it is worth it to break the set for the Neutral signet if you have CoaF, or Exalted signet with Seal of Jin.
ID Gear set DPS AoE DPS
A R12, Hit Scope 895.2 1078.7
B R12, +7 Scope 893.7 1077.1
C R10, Hit Scope 891.2 1067.7
D R13, +7 Scope, Godslayer 891 1073.5
E R10, +7 Scope 889.7 1066.1
F R13, Hit Scope 889.3 1071.2
G R13, +7 Scope, Accuria 888.2 1070
H T2/2.5 mix, Hit Scope 880.4 1054.3
I T2/2.5 mix, +7 Scope, 2 Pugio 878.9 1052.7
J 5/8 T2, Hit Scope 877.9 1051.2
K T2/2.5 mix, +7 Scope, 1 Pugio 877.4 1050.8
L T2/2.5 mix, +7 Scope, 1 Pugio, Accuria 877.4 1050.8
M 5/8 T2, +7 Scope 874.9 1046.2
N T2, Hit Scope 870.4 + 9 per hunter 1042
O T2, +7 Scope, 2 Pugio 868.9 + 9 per hunter 1040.4
P T2, +7 Scope, 1 Pugio, Accuria 867.4 + 9 per hunter 1038.4
Q T1, +7 Scope, 2 Pugio 866.2 1058.2
R T1, +7 Scope, 1 Pugio 865.4 1057.1
S T1, Hit Scope 864.6 1055.9
T T1, +7 Scope, Accuria 863.5 1054.7

Some alternatives to individual BiS items that do not affect the hit configuration:
R12 Gloves > Veklor's Gloves > T2 Gloves
Mantle of Wicked Revenge > Barrage Shoulders
T2.5 Hauberk > T2 Chest = R13 Chest
R13 Helm > T2.5 Helm > T2 Helm
T2.5 Boots > T2 Boots
Ring of the Godslayer > Circle of Applied Force
Cloak of the Fallen God > Cloak of the Shrouded Mists

Phase 6

ID Gear set DPS
A True, T3 1061.6
B Realistic, T3 1058.8
C Realistic, T2 1013.1

Melee weave rotation

  • P3 and P4 assume 13/31/7 spec, while P5 and P6 assume 20/31/0, based on whether Slaying talents affect the raid bosses of those phases.

Key differences for gear configurations:

  • Agility weight relative to AP is lower than for pure ranged.
  • Hit is now split into 2 parts, where the ranged hit scope, ranged weapon skill, and ranged AP are a bit less valuable, and you can still get some value from melee hit past the ranged cap. (e.g. 37 AP per hit = 32 per ranged hit + 5 per melee hit).
  • Strength and melee AP are worth a small amount.

Phase 3

ID Gear set DPS AoE DPS
A True, 5/8 T2, R12 894.6 1056
B True, R13 893.5 1054.4
C True, 6/8 T2, R10 889.9 1045
D Realistic, 4/8 T2, R12, Accuria 885.7 1045.6
E Realistic, R13, Accuria 884.4 1044
F Realistic, 3/8 T2, R12 882.8 1042
G Realistic, 5/8 T2, R10, Accuria 881 1034.6
H Realistic, R13 880.9 1039.7
I True, T2 873.9 + 9 per hunter 1025.5
J Realistic, 5/8 T2, R10 872.9 1024.9
K True, T1, +7 Scope 871.7 1041.6
L True, T1, Hit Scope 870.3 1040
M Realistic, 5/8 T2, R7, Accuria 868.8 1025.1
N Realistic, 6/8 T2, Accuria 867.6 1018.4
O Realistic, T2, Accuria 866.5 + 9 per hunter 1017
P Realistic, T1, Accuria 862.7 1031.2
Q Realistic, T1 859.2 1026.9
R Realistic, T2 858.5 + 9 per hunter 1007.5
Stat eAP
1% Crit 33
1% Hit 38
1% Melee Hit 7
1 mAP 0.16
1 Agi 2.43
1 Agi (kings) 2.69

Phase 4

ID Gear set DPS AoE DPS
A True, 4/8 T2, R12 966 1138
B True, R13 964.5 1136.1
C Realistic, 5/8 T2, R12 956.3 1127.1
D Realistic, R13, Hit Scope 954.9 954.9
E Realistic, 4/8 T2, R12 954.8 1125.1
F Realistic, R13, +7 Scope 954.6 1124.6
G Realistic, 3/8 T2, R12, +7 Scope 954.5 1124.5
H Realistic, 5/8 T2, R10 949.7 1113.3
I True, T2 944.9 + 9 per hunter 1106.9
J Realistic, 5/8 T2, R7 938.5 1105.3
K True, T1 937.6 1118.2
L Realistic, T2 929.1 + 9 per hunter 1098.2
M Realistic, T1, +7 Scope 927.8 1106.7
N Realistic, T1, Hit Scope, Unliving 927.5 1106.6
O Realistic, T1, Hit Scope, QSR 927 1105.8
P Realistic, T1, Hit Scope, Jin 926.3 1104.8
Stat eAP
1% Crit 34
1% Hit 40
1% Melee Hit 7
1 mAP 0.16
1 Agi 2.44
1 Agi (kings) 2.7
1 Agi (zg) 2.83
1 Agi (zg+kings) 3.13

Phase 5

ID Gear set DPS AoE DPS
A R12, Hit Scope 985.2 1164.6
B R12, +7 Scope 983 1161.5
C R10, Hit Scope 981.3 1153.9
D R13, +7 Scope, Godslayer 981.1 1159.1
E R13, +7 Scope, Accuria 979.8 1157.5
F R13, Hit Scope 979.6 1157.4
G R10, +7 Scope 979.1 1150.9
H T2/2.5 mix, Hit Scope 969.7 1139.7
I T2/2.5 mix, +7 Scope, Accuria 967.5 1136.7
J 5/8 T2, Hit Scope 967 1136.4
K T2/2.5 mix, +7 Scope 966.8 1136
L 5/8 T2, +7 Scope 964.2 1132.7
M T2, Hit Scope 959 + 9 per hunter 1126.9
N T2, +7 Scope 956.2 + 9 per hunter 1123.1
O T1, +7 Scope, Accuria 951.9 1138.7
P T1, Hit Scope 951.7 1138.6
Q T1, +7 Scope 948.3 1134.2
Stat eAP
1% Crit 35
1% Hit 40.5
1% Melee Hit 5.5
1 mAP 0.14
1 Agi 2.48
1 Agi (kings) 2.74
1 Agi (zg) 2.87
1 Agi (zg+kings) 3.18

Phase 6

ID Gear set DPS
A True 1211.5
B Realistic 1206

Weapon Rankings

Stat Sticks (up to P4)

Weapon Base Kings Kings+Zandalar
Hakkari MH / Fang of the Faceless / R14 62
Brutality Blade 58 60 64
Core Hound Tooth 54
Doom's Edge / Dragonfang Blade 42 46 53
Dal'rend's set (averaged) 42
Ribsplitter of Agility 39 42 47
Tooth of Eranikus 37
Bone Slicing Hatchet / WSG revered dagger 34 38 43
1% crit weapon 34

Melee Weaving Weapons

Weapon DPS
Barbarous Blade Baseline
Lok'delar / Peacemaker +3
Dreadforge Retaliator +9
Huntsman's Harpoon +12
Arcanite Reaper +15
Zin'rokh +21
R14 2H +23
Ashkandi +24
Gri'leks Carver (Dragonkin) +31
Barb of the Sand Reaver +33
Eye of Nerub +40
Eye of Nerub (wep skill used) +46

Ranged Weapons

  • Troll or Dwarf racial adds roughly 6 dps
  • MW DPS column being empty means the result was not significantly different from the DPS column (within 1-2 dps)
Weapon DPS MW DPS
Rhok'delar Baseline
R14 Xbow/Gun +5
Dragonbreath Hand Cannon +9 +4
Polished Ironwood Crossbow +8
Crossbow of Imminent Doom +10
Huhuran's Stinger +13 +1
Soulstring +18
Larvae of the Great Worm +26
Ashjre'thul +36
Nerubian Slavemaker +68

Swap Trinkets

Examples of Renataki's Trinket Usage

Devilsaur Eye
Devilsaur Tooth
Zandalarian Hero Medallion
Goblin Mortar
Rammstein's Lightning Bolts
Renataki's Charm of Beasts
Badge of the Swarmguard
Earthstrike
Jom Gabbar
Kiss of the Spider
Slayer's Crest

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@jeffro422 jeffro422 commented Jan 23, 2020

Phase 3 Realistic T2 is only 8% hit. Is this supposed to be correct? 20/31/0 and 8% hit for the Phase 3 Realistic T2? Is this actually good? I thought hunter need 9% hit. Thanks!

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@skinnay-dev skinnay-dev commented Feb 19, 2020

Phase 3 Realistic T2 is only 8% hit. Is this supposed to be correct? 20/31/0 and 8% hit for the Phase 3 Realistic T2? Is this actually good? I thought hunter need 9% hit. Thanks!

Yes, in terms of dps it's correct, there is no good way to fit in an extra hit except for Band of Accuria (or Rune of the Guard Captain for Horde). If you need the hit for tranq shot, you can switch to Tooth of Eranikus for that fight.

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@Miniji5 Miniji5 commented May 19, 2020

Those bis list are too different for horde side? There is some for horde side?

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@perryspy perryspy commented May 20, 2020

Curious to know what changes for horde. No kings, but gain windfury/air. If you have time could you come up with a gear ranking for horde side?

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@Miniji5 Miniji5 commented May 20, 2020

Curious to know what changes for horde. No kings, but gain windfury/air. If you have time could you come up with a gear ranking for horde side?

Good luck to find a shamy that use air totem lol

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@Oggiedwarf Oggiedwarf commented May 26, 2020

How does it calculate if you have more than 1 hunter with T2, is it plus 9 per tier set or does it decrease? Guess it does eventually since you would eventually overcap with to many, unrealistic ofc

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@CSENoni CSENoni commented Jun 19, 2020

For phase 5, what do you think about Belt of Never-ending Agony? Hunter may not get prio on it but I think it deals more dps than Ossirian's Binding.

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@Jan103 Jan103 commented Jun 29, 2020

what about Blessed Qiraji Musket in comparison to Rhok?

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@Jinhaee Jinhaee commented Aug 19, 2020

How does Jom Gabbar and Badge of the Swarmguard rank?

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@downtime33 downtime33 commented Aug 27, 2020

Uneducated raid leader here. Is there a scenario where a hunter would want +7 damage and DFT and forego the hit scope? I did not see DFT on the list and assume there is a reason for that.

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@skinnay-dev skinnay-dev commented Aug 27, 2020

Uneducated raid leader here. Is there a scenario where a hunter would want +7 damage and DFT and forego the hit scope? I did not see DFT on the list and assume there is a reason for that.

Especially with all the trinkets available now by phase 5, there is very little use for DFT on hunters. It's rogue or main tank prio imo.

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@downtime33 downtime33 commented Aug 27, 2020

Thanks skinnay. I know so little about hunter gearing other than that T1 is good. I appreciate the hunter perspective.

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@Jinhaee Jinhaee commented Aug 27, 2020

Uneducated raid leader here. Is there a scenario where a hunter would want +7 damage and DFT and forego the hit scope? I did not see DFT on the list and assume there is a reason for that.

Especially with all the trinkets available now by phase 5, there is very little use for DFT on hunters. It's rogue or main tank prio imo.

Is Badge of the Swarmguard better than using like ZG trinket? How good is it?

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@skinnay-dev skinnay-dev commented Aug 27, 2020

How good Badge is depends on the armor of your target(s), and you can stack it with Renataki's and other use trinkets.

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@dubsoneg dubsoneg commented Aug 27, 2020

How do the R7 gloves compare with R12 for phase 6? Better off with them or DS?

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@dubsoneg dubsoneg commented Aug 28, 2020

How do the R7 gloves compare with R12 for phase 6? Better off with them or DS?

R12 > Veklor's > DS maybe? Assuming rest is the same from the Phase 6 examples

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@vehystrix vehystrix commented Sep 30, 2020

In your P6 bis lists, swapping Iblis for Harbinger of Doom seems to give an additional 0.2 dps. Either I made a mistake in the sheet somewhere, or kings+zandalar gives it a slight edge.
Stat weight in the sheet was 3.48 ap per 1 agi, giving Harbinger an equivalent of 27.84 ap vs the 26 of Iblis

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