Skinnay's Classic Hunter Gear lists (Alliance)

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Skinnay's Classic Hunter Gear Lists (Alliance)

• "True" BiS is the absolute best gear configuration given all the possible options. Often this doesn't give you a great picture of what you should be striving for, so realistic alternative sets are provided to plan for constraints that can occur with typical loot distribution.
• Stat weights and dps values are based on Sixx's DPS sheet assuming full buffs, consumables, and boss debuffs with 20/31/0 spec, unless otherwise specified. These are of course subject to change with different variables.
• Gear lists are based on their general effectiveness against all raid bosses as opposed to being tailored for specific bosses, unless otherwise specified.

Table of Contents

1. Normal Ranged Rotation
   • Pre-raid P3
   • Phase 3
   • Phase 4
   • Phase 5
   • Phase 6
2. Melee Weaving Rotation
   • Phase 3
   • Phase 4
   • Phase 5
   • Phase 6
3. Weapons
4. Swap Trinkets

Normal Ranged rotation

Pre-raid P4

• The power of Trueaim Gauntlets is due to how weapon skill is calculated against lvl 63s and raid bosses specifically. You may want to use devilsaur set and less hit gear for dungeons and other purposes.

ID	Gear set	DPS
A	Trueaim	734.1
B	Devilsaur	733.3

Stat	eAP
1% Crit	32
1% Hit	35
1 Agi	2.6
1 Agi (kings)	2.85
1 Agi (zg)	3
1 Agi (kings+zg)	3.3

Phase 3

• The dps provided by 5/8 tier set bonuses is situational and cannot be quantified, so it is not included in the dps calculations, but should be taken into consideration.
• Replacing Elven Ring with Master Dragonslayer's Ring is a minor upgrade, but not really worth getting considering that it is easily replaceable, while the neck from the quest is PvP bis.
• Full T2 sets do not include the debuff in the listed DPS, but it contributes roughly 9 dps per hunter on average, with large variance. i.e. ~90 dps for the 7 second duration of the buff with an average 10% uptime.

ID	Gear set	DPS	AoE DPS
A	True, 5/8 T2, R12	810	969.5
B	True, R13	807.3	966.2
C	True, 6/8 T2, R10	805.4	958.6
D	Realistic, 4/8 T2, R12, Accuria	801.3	958.8
E	Realistic, R13, Accuria	800.8	958
F	Realistic, 3/8 T2, R12	798.7	955.5
G	Realistic, R13	797.4	953.8
H	Realistic, 5/8 T2, R12, Accuria	797	953.4
I	Realistic, 5/8 T2, R10, Accuria	796.8	948.1
J	True, T2	791 + 9 per hunter	940.9
K	Realistic, 4/8 T2, R12	790	944.7
L	Realistic, 5/8 T2, R10	789.9	939.5
M	True, T1, Hit Scope	788.5	956.4
N	True, T1, +7 Scope	788.5	956.5
O	Realistic, 5/8 T2, R7, Accuria	787.5	941.4
P	Realistic, 6/8 T2, Accuria	785.6	934.2
Q	Realistic, T2, Accuria	784.3 + 9 per hunter	932.7
R	Realistic, T1, Accuria	782.1	948.2
S	Realistic, T1	778.7	944
T	Realistic, T2	777.6 + 9 per hunter	924.3

Stat	eAP
1% Crit	33
1% Hit	37.5
1 Agi	2.61
1 Agi (kings)	2.88

Phase 4

ID	Gear set	DPS	AoE DPS
A	True, 4/8 T2, R12	876.8	1050.4
B	True, R13	875.2	1048.4
C	Realistic, 5/8 T2, R12	871.5	1043.7
D	Realistic, R13, Hit Scope	870	1041.8
E	Realistic, 4/8 T2, R12	869.6	1041.3
F	Realistic, R13, +7 Scope	868.2	1039.7
G	Realistic, 3/8 T2, R12, +7 Scope	867.7	1039.2
H	Realistic, 5/8 T2, R10	864.6	1029.6
I	True, T2	858.1 + 9 per hunter	1008.6
J	Realistic, 5/8 T2, R7	854.2	1022.2
K	True, T1	852.6	1035.1
L	Realistic, T2	851.1 + 9 per hunter	1012.9
M	Realistic, T1, +7 Scope	848	1014.6
N	Realistic, T1, Hit Scope, Unliving	847.5	1028.4
O	Realistic, T1, Hit Scope, QSR	846.2	1026.8
P	Realistic, T1, Hit Scope, Jin	844.9	1025.2

Stat	eAP
1% Crit	34.5
1% Hit	40
1 Agi	2.62
1 Agi (kings)	2.9
1 Agi (zg)	3.03
1 Agi (kings+zg)	3.35

Phase 5

• Due to the release of powerful new Use: trinkets, I'm no longer bothering to include DFT sets.
• Cloak of the Fallen God is the BiS cloak, but unrealistic due to the other quest rewards (particularly the caster ring), so Cloak of the Shrouded Mists is used if you do not need the hit in that slot.
• In the transition from ZG ring set before you have gotten Godslayer, it is worth it to break the set for the Neutral signet if you have CoaF, or Exalted signet with Seal of Jin.

ID	Gear set	DPS	AoE DPS
A	R12, Hit Scope	895.2	1078.7
B	R12, +7 Scope	893.7	1077.1
C	R10, Hit Scope	891.2	1067.7
D	R13, +7 Scope, Godslayer	891	1073.5
E	R10, +7 Scope	889.7	1066.1
F	R13, Hit Scope	889.3	1071.2
G	R13, +7 Scope, Accuria	888.2	1070
H	T2/2.5 mix, Hit Scope	880.4	1054.3
I	T2/2.5 mix, +7 Scope, 2 Pugio	878.9	1052.7
J	5/8 T2, Hit Scope	877.9	1051.2
K	T2/2.5 mix, +7 Scope, 1 Pugio	877.4	1050.8
L	T2/2.5 mix, +7 Scope, 1 Pugio, Accuria	877.4	1050.8
M	5/8 T2, +7 Scope	874.9	1046.2
N	T2, Hit Scope	870.4 + 9 per hunter	1042
O	T2, +7 Scope, 2 Pugio	868.9 + 9 per hunter	1040.4
P	T2, +7 Scope, 1 Pugio, Accuria	867.4 + 9 per hunter	1038.4
Q	T1, +7 Scope, 2 Pugio	866.2	1058.2
R	T1, +7 Scope, 1 Pugio	865.4	1057.1
S	T1, Hit Scope	864.6	1055.9
T	T1, +7 Scope, Accuria	863.5	1054.7

Some alternatives to individual BiS items that do not affect the hit configuration:
R12 Gloves > Veklor's Gloves > T2 Gloves
Mantle of Wicked Revenge > Barrage Shoulders
T2.5 Hauberk > T2 Chest = R13 Chest
R13 Helm > T2.5 Helm > T2 Helm
T2.5 Boots > T2 Boots
Ring of the Godslayer > Circle of Applied Force
Cloak of the Fallen God > Cloak of the Shrouded Mists

Phase 6

ID	Gear set	DPS
A	True, T3	1061.6
B	Realistic, T3	1058.8
C	Realistic, T2	1013.1

Melee weave rotation

• P3 and P4 assume 13/31/7 spec, while P5 and P6 assume 20/31/0, based on whether Slaying talents affect the raid bosses of those phases.

Key differences for gear configurations:

• Agility weight relative to AP is lower than for pure ranged.
• Hit is now split into 2 parts, where the ranged hit scope, ranged weapon skill, and ranged AP are a bit less valuable, and you can still get some value from melee hit past the ranged cap. (e.g. 37 AP per hit = 32 per ranged hit + 5 per melee hit).
• Strength and melee AP are worth a small amount.

Phase 3

ID	Gear set	DPS	AoE DPS
A	True, 5/8 T2, R12	894.6	1056
B	True, R13	893.5	1054.4
C	True, 6/8 T2, R10	889.9	1045
D	Realistic, 4/8 T2, R12, Accuria	885.7	1045.6
E	Realistic, R13, Accuria	884.4	1044
F	Realistic, 3/8 T2, R12	882.8	1042
G	Realistic, 5/8 T2, R10, Accuria	881	1034.6
H	Realistic, R13	880.9	1039.7
I	True, T2	873.9 + 9 per hunter	1025.5
J	Realistic, 5/8 T2, R10	872.9	1024.9
K	True, T1, +7 Scope	871.7	1041.6
L	True, T1, Hit Scope	870.3	1040
M	Realistic, 5/8 T2, R7, Accuria	868.8	1025.1
N	Realistic, 6/8 T2, Accuria	867.6	1018.4
O	Realistic, T2, Accuria	866.5 + 9 per hunter	1017
P	Realistic, T1, Accuria	862.7	1031.2
Q	Realistic, T1	859.2	1026.9
R	Realistic, T2	858.5 + 9 per hunter	1007.5

Stat	eAP
1% Crit	33
1% Hit	38
1% Melee Hit	7
1 mAP	0.16
1 Agi	2.43
1 Agi (kings)	2.69

Phase 4

ID	Gear set	DPS	AoE DPS
A	True, 4/8 T2, R12	966	1138
B	True, R13	964.5	1136.1
C	Realistic, 5/8 T2, R12	956.3	1127.1
D	Realistic, R13, Hit Scope	954.9	954.9
E	Realistic, 4/8 T2, R12	954.8	1125.1
F	Realistic, R13, +7 Scope	954.6	1124.6
G	Realistic, 3/8 T2, R12, +7 Scope	954.5	1124.5
H	Realistic, 5/8 T2, R10	949.7	1113.3
I	True, T2	944.9 + 9 per hunter	1106.9
J	Realistic, 5/8 T2, R7	938.5	1105.3
K	True, T1	937.6	1118.2
L	Realistic, T2	929.1 + 9 per hunter	1098.2
M	Realistic, T1, +7 Scope	927.8	1106.7
N	Realistic, T1, Hit Scope, Unliving	927.5	1106.6
O	Realistic, T1, Hit Scope, QSR	927	1105.8
P	Realistic, T1, Hit Scope, Jin	926.3	1104.8

Stat	eAP
1% Crit	34
1% Hit	40
1% Melee Hit	7
1 mAP	0.16
1 Agi	2.44
1 Agi (kings)	2.7
1 Agi (zg)	2.83
1 Agi (zg+kings)	3.13

Phase 5

ID	Gear set	DPS	AoE DPS
A	R12, Hit Scope	985.2	1164.6
B	R12, +7 Scope	983	1161.5
C	R10, Hit Scope	981.3	1153.9
D	R13, +7 Scope, Godslayer	981.1	1159.1
E	R13, +7 Scope, Accuria	979.8	1157.5
F	R13, Hit Scope	979.6	1157.4
G	R10, +7 Scope	979.1	1150.9
H	T2/2.5 mix, Hit Scope	969.7	1139.7
I	T2/2.5 mix, +7 Scope, Accuria	967.5	1136.7
J	5/8 T2, Hit Scope	967	1136.4
K	T2/2.5 mix, +7 Scope	966.8	1136
L	5/8 T2, +7 Scope	964.2	1132.7
M	T2, Hit Scope	959 + 9 per hunter	1126.9
N	T2, +7 Scope	956.2 + 9 per hunter	1123.1
O	T1, +7 Scope, Accuria	951.9	1138.7
P	T1, Hit Scope	951.7	1138.6
Q	T1, +7 Scope	948.3	1134.2

Stat	eAP
1% Crit	35
1% Hit	40.5
1% Melee Hit	5.5
1 mAP	0.14
1 Agi	2.48
1 Agi (kings)	2.74
1 Agi (zg)	2.87
1 Agi (zg+kings)	3.18

Phase 6

ID	Gear set	DPS
A	True	1211.5
B	Realistic	1206

Weapon Rankings

Stat Sticks (up to P4)

Weapon	Base	Kings	Kings+Zandalar
Hakkari MH / Fang of the Faceless / R14	62
Brutality Blade	58	60	64
Core Hound Tooth	54
Doom's Edge / Dragonfang Blade	42	46	53
Dal'rend's set (averaged)	42
Ribsplitter of Agility	39	42	47
Tooth of Eranikus	37
Bone Slicing Hatchet / WSG revered dagger	34	38	43
1% crit weapon	34

Melee Weaving Weapons

Weapon	DPS
Barbarous Blade	Baseline
Lok'delar / Peacemaker	+3
Dreadforge Retaliator	+9
Huntsman's Harpoon	+12
Arcanite Reaper	+15
Zin'rokh	+21
R14 2H	+23
Ashkandi	+24
Gri'leks Carver (Dragonkin)	+31
Barb of the Sand Reaver	+33
Eye of Nerub	+40
Eye of Nerub (wep skill used)	+46

Ranged Weapons

• Troll or Dwarf racial adds roughly 6 dps
• MW DPS column being empty means the result was not significantly different from the DPS column (within 1-2 dps)

Weapon	DPS	MW DPS
Rhok'delar	Baseline
R14 Xbow/Gun	+5
Dragonbreath Hand Cannon	+9	+4
Polished Ironwood Crossbow	+8
Crossbow of Imminent Doom	+10
Huhuran's Stinger	+13	+1
Soulstring	+18
Larvae of the Great Worm	+26
Ashjre'thul	+36
Nerubian Slavemaker	+68

Swap Trinkets

Examples of Renataki's Trinket Usage

Devilsaur Eye
Devilsaur Tooth
Zandalarian Hero Medallion
Goblin Mortar
Rammstein's Lightning Bolts
Renataki's Charm of Beasts
Badge of the Swarmguard
Earthstrike
Jom Gabbar
Kiss of the Spider
Slayer's Crest

Phase 3 Realistic T2 is only 8% hit. Is this supposed to be correct? 20/31/0 and 8% hit for the Phase 3 Realistic T2? Is this actually good? I thought hunter need 9% hit. Thanks!

Phase 3 Realistic T2 is only 8% hit. Is this supposed to be correct? 20/31/0 and 8% hit for the Phase 3 Realistic T2? Is this actually good? I thought hunter need 9% hit. Thanks!

Yes, in terms of dps it's correct, there is no good way to fit in an extra hit except for Band of Accuria (or Rune of the Guard Captain for Horde). If you need the hit for tranq shot, you can switch to Tooth of Eranikus for that fight.

Those bis list are too different for horde side? There is some for horde side?

Curious to know what changes for horde. No kings, but gain windfury/air. If you have time could you come up with a gear ranking for horde side?

Curious to know what changes for horde. No kings, but gain windfury/air. If you have time could you come up with a gear ranking for horde side?

Good luck to find a shamy that use air totem lol

How does it calculate if you have more than 1 hunter with T2, is it plus 9 per tier set or does it decrease? Guess it does eventually since you would eventually overcap with to many, unrealistic ofc

For phase 5, what do you think about Belt of Never-ending Agony? Hunter may not get prio on it but I think it deals more dps than Ossirian's Binding.

what about Blessed Qiraji Musket in comparison to Rhok?

How does Jom Gabbar and Badge of the Swarmguard rank?

Uneducated raid leader here. Is there a scenario where a hunter would want +7 damage and DFT and forego the hit scope? I did not see DFT on the list and assume there is a reason for that.

Uneducated raid leader here. Is there a scenario where a hunter would want +7 damage and DFT and forego the hit scope? I did not see DFT on the list and assume there is a reason for that.

Especially with all the trinkets available now by phase 5, there is very little use for DFT on hunters. It's rogue or main tank prio imo.

Thanks skinnay. I know so little about hunter gearing other than that T1 is good. I appreciate the hunter perspective.

Uneducated raid leader here. Is there a scenario where a hunter would want +7 damage and DFT and forego the hit scope? I did not see DFT on the list and assume there is a reason for that.

Especially with all the trinkets available now by phase 5, there is very little use for DFT on hunters. It's rogue or main tank prio imo.

Is Badge of the Swarmguard better than using like ZG trinket? How good is it?

How good Badge is depends on the armor of your target(s), and you can stack it with Renataki's and other use trinkets.

How do the R7 gloves compare with R12 for phase 6? Better off with them or DS?

How do the R7 gloves compare with R12 for phase 6? Better off with them or DS?

R12 > Veklor's > DS maybe? Assuming rest is the same from the Phase 6 examples

In your P6 bis lists, swapping Iblis for Harbinger of Doom seems to give an additional 0.2 dps. Either I made a mistake in the sheet somewhere, or kings+zandalar gives it a slight edge.
Stat weight in the sheet was 3.48 ap per 1 agi, giving Harbinger an equivalent of 27.84 ap vs the 26 of Iblis