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1743399324082393088 (2024-01-05) - Tucker Carlson - Ep. 60 Is the lesson of the Covid disaster that we should give its architects more power？ Bret Weinstein on the WHO’s plans for you. [NA].en.vtt

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You're speaking in grand terms that

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three years ago I might have laughed

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at and I'm not laughing at all.

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You're also choosing, as

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you know, a 50 year old man to

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say this stuff out loud and to

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pursue the truth as

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you find it and then to talk about

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it.

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Why did you decide to do that?

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I literally cannot understand

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how I would sleep at night,

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how I would look at myself in the

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mirror if I didn't say

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what needed to be said.

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I call the force that were up

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against Goliath.

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Goliath made a terrible mistake and

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made it most egregiously during

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COVID, which is

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it took all

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of the competent people,

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all of the courageous people.

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And it shoved

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them out of the institutions

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where they were hanging on.

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And it created in so doing,

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the Dream Team. It created

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every player you could possibly

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want on your team to fight some

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historic battle against a terrible

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evil.

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Amazingly, it was four

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years next month that the first

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stories appeared in the American

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news media about a virus

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spreading through a city in central

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China, Wuhan.

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The virus didn't have a name.

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Over time it was named COVID

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and it changed world history.

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It wasn't that long ago,

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but we don't talk about it very much

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anymore in the way that you don't

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talk about traumatic things that

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happen to you.

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But that doesn't mean it's over and

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it doesn't mean that huge

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decisions aren't being made right

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now that will affect your

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life and the lives of your children.

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Those decisions are being made.

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The story is not over.

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And so we thought it would be worth

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taking just a moment

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to explain what that looks like.

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And there's no better person to do

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that than Brett Weinstein.

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He's an evolutionary biologist who

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taught at the college level for many

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years. He's got a fascinating bio

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you should look up because it's an

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amazing story.

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He's now the host with his wife of

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the Dark Horse Podcast and

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the author of a bestselling and very

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excellent book that came out not

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long ago. He joins us now.

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Brett, great to see you.

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It is great to see you.

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So instead of peppering you with all

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kinds of pointed questions,

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I want to guide you

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and sit back mostly as you tell

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the story of

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COVID in condensed form.

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What are the outlines of

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what we know now and where are we

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going? What's the next chapter in

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the story?

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Well, first, let me just respond to

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something you said upfront.

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Nobody wants to be thinking about

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COVID anymore. It was a traumatic

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and exhausting experience.

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I don't want to be thinking about

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COVID anymore either.

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But what I find is that every

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time I look away and move

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on to other topics, things move

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just out of our

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sightline and these things couldn't

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possibly be more important.

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So I'm going to try to explain

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where we are and how we got here and

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what the implications are in the

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present that people are largely

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not noticing.

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Perfect.

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All right. So I thought maybe it

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would be worth starting with

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just some parts of the education

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that we all got during

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COVID. I know that I learned a

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tremendous amount about not

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only viruses and

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pandemics and public health,

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but also about pharma, which is

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something, frankly, I thought I knew

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a lot about. I had run into it

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earlier in my academic

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career, so I thought I was something

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of an expert. But I got schooled

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over the course of COVID.

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What I've come to understand

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is something I call the game of

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pharma.

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If you think about what pharma is,

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we tend to imagine that it is

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an industry that is

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hell bent on finding drugs that

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will make us healthier.

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That's not what it is.

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In fact, pharma is healthy

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when people are sick.

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And many people have noticed this

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that of course it depends on ill

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health. So it has a perverse

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incentive.

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But what I think most of us did not

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realize is how

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elaborate its bag of tricks

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is and what the nature of

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that bag of tricks is.

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And to

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describe it, I would say

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pharma is an

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intellectual property racket.

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Or at least that's what it has

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become.

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That essentially pharma owns

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various things.

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It owns molecules, compounds,

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it owns technologies.

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And what it's looking for

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is a

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disease to which these things

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plausibly apply.

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And its profits go up to the extent

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that the disease is widespread,

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to the extent that the disease is

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serious, to the extent that

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competing drugs are

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unsafe or ineffective,

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to the extent that the government

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will mandate a drug, to the extent

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that the medical establishment will

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declare it the standard of care.

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You've just described, pandemic

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response.

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Well, that I did.

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And that's where I learned all

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of these tricks,

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was that basically every

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day of the year, pharma

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is engaged in

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portraying the properties that

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it owns as more useful than

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they are, safer than they are,

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and persuading the

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medical establishment, the journals,

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the societies, the hospitals,

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the government to

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direct people towards drugs

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they wouldn't otherwise be taking.

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So that's

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what the racket is.

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And it is

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necessary to understand that because

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you need to realize that before

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COVID ever happened, pharma

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was expert at figuring

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out how to portray a

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disease as more widespread and more

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serious than it was, it

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was excellent at

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portraying a compound as

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more efficacious than it is, safer

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than it is.

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And so when COVID happened, all of

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this occurred at a different scale.

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COVID was bigger than anything that

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had ever happened before, but none

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of it was new to pharma, and all

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of it was new to us in the public

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trying to understand what we were

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supposed to do about this ostensibly

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very serious disease.

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I'm now going to put a hypothesis

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on the table about why things

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unfolded the way they did.

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And it involves that game of

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pharma.

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What was pharma thinking?

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Why was it so obsessed

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with making sure that

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we all took

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the so-called vaccines that

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were on offer?

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Why was it so obsessed with

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making sure that we didn't take

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the alternative repurposed

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drugs that so many doctors

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claimed were highly effective.

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As treatments.

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Right. Ivermectin,
hydroxychloroquine.

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These things were demonized and we

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were told not to take

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them and we were mocked if we

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distrusted that advice.

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So the question is, what was

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all that? Why would that have

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happened? And again, this is

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not certain, but what I've pieced

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together is that pharma

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owned what

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was potentially the

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biggest pharmacological

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cash cow conceivable.

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It owned a beautiful

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technology and I mean that

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sincerely, something truly

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brilliant that

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would potentially not only

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allow a bright future

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from the perspective of

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creating new

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treatments and new

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- I hesitate to use the word vaccine

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because it doesn't really apply -

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but new vaccine-like

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technologies, but that

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it could do this indefinitely into

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the future and it could allow you to

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reformulate every vaccine currently

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on the market. And what's more,

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the property in question would

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allow this whole process

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to be streamlined at an incredible

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level because effectively all you

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needed was a sequence,

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a genetic sequence from a pathogen,

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and you could literally type

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it into a machine and produce

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a vaccine that was

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already in use,

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but for the swapping out of the

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antigen in question.

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It was like Legos.

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Yeah, it's exactly like Legos

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and presumably

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with some justification, to the

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extent that this technology

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was safe, pharma would

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be able to argue, well, we don't

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really need to go through thorough

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safety testing of the entire

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platform each time we deploy it, all

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we need to do is figure out if the

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antigen that we've loaded in this

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time is in some way

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more dangerous than the last one.

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The problem...So the technology in

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question is the mRNA transfection

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platform, which was wrongly in

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this case called a vaccine.

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And it is ingenious.

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It solves a really important

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problem from

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gene therapy, which is

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oftentimes you want to get the body

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to do something.

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Let's say that you are missing a

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functional copy of a gene that

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produces some product like

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insulin that you need where

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you can take insulin, or it would be

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great if we could convince your body

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to produce the product itself

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like a healthy person does.

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Very hard to do that, though,

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because the body is composed in

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adult humans, 30 trillion

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cells or so.

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So how do you get cells to take

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up the message and produce enough of

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the product to matter?

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Well, the mRNA technology

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allows you to

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induce cells to take up

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an mRNA message, which they will

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then automatically transcribe.

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And it does this

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by encapsulating these

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messages in lipid nanoparticle.

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Lipid just means fat.

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And you may remember from basic

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chemistry, like attracts like,

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like dissolves like.

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And so these fats get taken

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up by cells

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very regularly for simple chemical

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reasons. And then the message gets

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transcribed and voila, you've

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gotten cells to produce something

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that they did not produce in the

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first place.

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Useful for vaccine

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like technology.

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Useful for curing deficiencies.

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The problem, however,

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is that this

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amazing technology, which

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it's very hard to estimate how much

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money pharma might have made from.

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I think hundreds of billions of

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dollars is absolutely certain.

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Trillions of dollars is not off the

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table, given that this would allow

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patentable drugs to be produced

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indefinitely into the future.

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But the

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technology itself has

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a terrible safety flaw

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that, in my opinion, never would

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have gotten through even the most

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cursory safety tests.

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And that flaw is

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that there's no targeting

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of the lipid nanoparticles.

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The lipid nanoparticles will be

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taken up by any cell they encounter.

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And while that's not perfectly

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random, it will be haphazard around

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the body.

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If they were limited, if they simply

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stayed in the injection site, as

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we were told when the vaccine

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rollout began, that the

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vaccines, the so-called vaccines,

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stay in the injection site,

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well, then the cells that took up

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these messages would be in your

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deltoid.

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And what happens next wouldn't be

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terribly serious.

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The problem is we learn very quickly

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and should have predicted from the

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get-go that they weren't going to

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stay in the deltiod.

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Anything you inject in that space

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is going to leak out and it's going

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to circulate around the body.

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And here's the problem.

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Now, forgive me, this is a little

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bit technical. I know that, but

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it involves understanding how

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immunity naturally develops.

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So when you become sick,

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let's say, with a virus, some

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particle has gotten into a cell

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of yours and it has hijacked

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it and it has

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tricked that cell into producing

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copies of itself, more viruses,

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which infect adjacent

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cells.

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And if the virus is an effective

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one, they will also figure out how

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to jump out of you.

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Like when you cough and

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get inhaled by the next person and

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infect their cells.

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The body's response to

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seeing a cell of yours,

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which it recognizes as yours,

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that is producing an antigen,

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that is to say a protein that

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it doesn't recognize is to assume

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that that cell is virally infected

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and to destroy it.

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That is the only correct thing

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for the body to do when it

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encounters a cell of yours making

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foreign protein.

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Now this transfection technology,

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the mRNA vaccine technology,

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as they called it, does

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exactly this.

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It tricks your cells into producing

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foreign antigens, which the immune

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system cannot help but recognize

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as an indicator of infection.

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And it destroys those cells.

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If those cells are in the muscle in

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your arm, not a huge

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deal.

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You get a sore arm.

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You get a sore arm, presumably,

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and we might be able to measure a

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decrease in your strength, but it's

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not going to shorten your life.

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However, if these

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transfection agents circulate around

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the body as we know they do and get

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taken up haphazardly, then

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whatever tissue starts producing

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these foreign proteins is going to

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be attacked by your immune system.

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So you definitely wouldn't want any

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of this getting near a person's

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heart or brain.

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Definitely not.

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And

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very bad if it happens in your

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brain, particularly critical

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if it happens in your heart, because

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your heart - for reasons we can go

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into if you want - has

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an incredibly low capacity

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for repair.

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In fact, your heart doesn't really

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repair. What it does, you get a

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wound. If you lose cells

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from your heart, your

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heart, then scars over and that will

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affect your heart rhythm, your

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capacity to transport oxygen

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and CO2 around the body.

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It will potentially

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shorten your life, and it will also

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create a vulnerability that you

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won't know that you have.

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Until you're like playing soccer or

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something.

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Exactly.

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So if you imagine somebody has

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received one of these transfection

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shots, and

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especially in the unfortunate

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case where it

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has been injected intravenously,

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which isn't supposed to happen, but

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the instructions on this shot

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were not to aspirate the

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needle.

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Proper injection should involve

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pulling back on the plunger in

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the syringe in order to see if

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there's blood.

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If there's blood that indicates that

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you've landed in a circulatory

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vessel and that you should back the

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needle off or plunge it farther so

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that you're not injecting it

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directly into the vein.

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But in the case of these shots,

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amazing as

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this sounds, the advice was don't

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do that because it requires the

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needle to be in the person's arm

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longer, might create extra pain.

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And they didn't want to create

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vaccine hesitancy with their excuse.

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So anyway, you might get a big bolus

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of this

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material and it might flow right

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through your heart and get taken up

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by a bunch of cells.

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And just for perspective, do we have

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any guess as to how many of these

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shots were given out globally?

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It's definitely in the billions.

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Billions? With the mRNA technology.

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Yes. Which is an amazing fact.

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I mean in addition

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to the technology itself being

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remarkable, the rate

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at which this was scaled up is

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positively incredible.

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Now, it had terrible downsides.

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I don't know if we'll have time to

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get to the downsides

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of the way they scaled up their

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production on this.

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But if we can separate the

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marvel of what they did.

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Yes. There's an awful lot of

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stuff here that's beyond wizardry.

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It's just incredible what they

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accomplished.

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Could you.

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I'm sorry.

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I don't want to take you off track,

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but you were describing what would

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happen if it went to various

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organs. It would damage them.

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Could it cause cancers too?

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We can get back to that.

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We clearly are seeing an uptick

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in cancers and an uptick

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in cancers that are unusual,

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especially in their speed.

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So maybe

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if we have time, we can come back to

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the reasons that that might be

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occurring. There's a lot of

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discussion amongst the medical

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dissidents about why that pattern

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exists and what it implies.

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But yes, clearly

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cancers are one of the

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failure modes of the body, and

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this highly novel technology

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clearly had that as a risk, even if

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we didn't know what mechanism it

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would happen.

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But yes, let's say you're a soccer

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player and you've been injected with

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this stuff and a bolus of it has hit

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your heart and caused a bunch of

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your cells to be destroyed by your

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own immune system, by

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cytotoxic T cells and natural

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killer cells.

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Now you've got a wound.

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If you manage

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to survive, to have it scar

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over, then that wound will be

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less of a vulnerability than it

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would otherwise be.

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But if in the period after

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you've been damaged, before your

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heart has fully scarred, you were to

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push yourself to some new

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athletic limit.

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Let's say you're in the middle of a

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particularly intense game.

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Right. That would be exactly the

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time when a weakness in

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a vessel wall might cause

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a critical failure.

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And, you know, you could die on the

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field. So this was a very plausible

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mechanism to explain the

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pattern of

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sudden deaths that we have seen

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oftentimes in people who are

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unusually healthy and athletic.

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Go back to the original

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story. Pharma had a potentially

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tremendously lucrative

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property that it couldn't bring

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to market because

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a safety test would have revealed

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this unsolvable problem at its

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heart.

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And so what I'm wondering, my

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hypothesis is that

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it recognized that the thing

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that would bypass that

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obstacle was an emergency

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that caused the public to

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demand

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a remedy to allow them

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to go back to work and to living

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their lives.

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That would cause

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the government to streamline

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the safety testing

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process so that it wouldn't spot

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these things. And indeed, one of the

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things that we see in addition to

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a lot more harm in those safety

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tests than we were initially allowed

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to understand, but

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also the safety

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testing was radically

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truncated so that long

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term harms were impossible

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to detect.

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So the hypothesis in question

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is.

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Pharma used

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an emergency to bypass

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an obstacle to bring in incredibly

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lucrative technology,

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to normalize it in the public

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and the regulatory apparatus to

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sneak it by the things

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that would ordinarily prevent a

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dangerous technology like this one

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from being widely deployed.

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So I think that sounds entirely

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plausible.

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In fact, likely.

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Very likely.

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But the downside for pharma, and

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of course, the rest of us, is that

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if you roll out a harmful product,

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evading the conventional safety

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screens, you're going to

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hurt a lot of people.

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And then what?

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So just the first part of the

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question, what do you think

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we're going to see in terms

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of a death toll and injury toll

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from this vaccine?

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A lot has gone into preventing us

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from answering that question.

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And some very dedicated people

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have done some

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very high quality work and

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the numbers are staggering.

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Now, I'm hesitant to say

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what I think the toll might be

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because this is not my area of

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expertise and

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I would leave it to others.

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I would say John Campbell would be

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an excellent source to look at.

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There's some new material out of New

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Zealand, which is jaw dropping.

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I haven't had time to look at

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it in depth, so I'm a little

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concerned about putting my weight on

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the ice. But

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here's what we know.

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Joseph Fraiman and his colleagues,

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including Peter Doshi, did a

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an evaluation of Pfizer's

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own safety data

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from its safety trials.

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And these trials were absurdly

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short. In fact, Pfizer only allowed

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one month before it vaccinated

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its controls and made it impossible

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to detect further harms.

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And what they found was

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a one in 800

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rate of serious adverse

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event. This is not minor stuff.

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This is serious harm to

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health.

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One in 800 per shot.

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That's not per person.

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That's per shot.

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One in eight hundred rate, which

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in one month, that suggests

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a very

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high mortality risk.

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And in fact, we saw mortality in the

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safety trials.

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What happens over the long term?

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We've certainly seen such a range of

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pathologies that have crippling

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effects on people's health

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that I

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shudder to think how many people

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have actually -

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So I'm not a math genius, but

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one in eight hundred

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shots times

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billions is

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a lot of people.

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Yup.

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I was recently at a conference

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in Romania on the

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COVID crisis, and so there was

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a lot of work trying to unpack what

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we actually understand.

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And I

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saw a credible estimate of something

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like 17 million deaths

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globally from this

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technology.

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17 million deaths from

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the COVID vaccine?

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Well, when you scale up to billions,

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it's not hard to reach a number like

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that with a technology that's

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dangerous.

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Now to your deeper question,

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I think.

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Let's steel man -

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Just for perspective.

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I mean, that's like the death toll

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of a global war.

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Yes, absolutely.

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This

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is a great

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tragedy of history.

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So that proportion.

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And amazingly

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there is no way in which it's over.

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I mean, we are still apparently

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recommending these things for

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healthy children.

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Never stood any chance of getting

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any benefit from it.

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Every chance of suffering harms

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that are not

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only serious but tragic

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on the basis that children have long

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lives ahead of them.

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If you ruin a child's immune system

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in youth, they have to spend the

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rest of their presumably shortened

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life in that state.

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So never made any sense that

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we were giving this to kids in the

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first place.

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The fact that we're still doing it

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when the emergency, to the

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extent there even was one, is

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clearly over.

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And

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when there's never been any proper

00:23:02.410 --> 00:23:04.239
justification of administering it

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to health, he gets it just, you

00:23:05.800 --> 00:23:06.946
know, healthy kids don't die of

00:23:06.947 --> 00:23:07.947
COVID.

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And the shot doesn't prevent you

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from catching or transmitting it.

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So there was just literally no

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justification you could come up.

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I think a lot of us - maybe

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call us normies

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- have a hard time imagining

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the

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breathtaking evil that it would take

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to allow such

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a tragedy to unfold, or

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to cause it

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to unfold, for profit.

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I still struggle to imagine it.

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But think

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about it this way.

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Pharma on a normal day

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is composed of people who have

00:23:50.670 --> 00:23:52.019
to become - even if they were doing

00:23:52.020 --> 00:23:54.119
their job exactly right - they have

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to be comfortable with causing a

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certain amount of death.

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Right. If you give a drug to people,

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if the net effect is positive, but

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it's going to kill some people who

00:24:02.800 --> 00:24:04.029
would have lived if they never got

00:24:04.030 --> 00:24:05.739
it. Somehow you have to sleep at

00:24:05.740 --> 00:24:06.740
night having

00:24:07.750 --> 00:24:09.759
put that drug into the world.

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And, you know, we want...

00:24:11.346 --> 00:24:13.239
if we had a healthy pharma

00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:15.129
industry, we would want

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them to produce the drugs

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that had a net benefit.

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And that benefit includes

00:24:20.170 --> 00:24:22.329
some serious harms.

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So once you have stepped

00:24:24.580 --> 00:24:26.319
on that slippery slope, though, once

00:24:26.320 --> 00:24:27.879
you have become comfortable with

00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:30.039
causing deaths, then I believe

00:24:30.040 --> 00:24:32.859
it becomes very easy to rationalize

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that the greater good is being

00:24:34.390 --> 00:24:35.619
served by X, Y or Z.

00:24:35.620 --> 00:24:36.759
And then there's some point at which

00:24:36.760 --> 00:24:38.829
you're causing enough harm and

00:24:38.830 --> 00:24:39.703
you're, you know...

00:24:39.704 --> 00:24:40.704
When pharma

00:24:42.060 --> 00:24:43.889
takes an all out of patent

00:24:43.890 --> 00:24:44.890
drug and

00:24:46.940 --> 00:24:48.529
supersedes it with a new, highly

00:24:48.530 --> 00:24:50.209
profitable drug.

00:24:50.210 --> 00:24:51.859
They've done something that's

00:24:51.860 --> 00:24:53.359
negative. We should almost always

00:24:53.360 --> 00:24:54.889
prefer the older drug, unless the

00:24:54.890 --> 00:24:56.989
evidence is extremely convincing.

00:24:56.990 --> 00:24:59.029
The new drug is just worlds better

00:24:59.030 --> 00:25:00.030
because an old drug, we know

00:25:01.040 --> 00:25:02.449
something about its interactions

00:25:02.450 --> 00:25:03.259
with other things.

00:25:03.260 --> 00:25:04.639
We know something about its safety

00:25:04.640 --> 00:25:06.589
profile. New is not better when

00:25:06.590 --> 00:25:07.969
it comes to molecules that you're

00:25:07.970 --> 00:25:09.509
going to be taking into your your

00:25:09.510 --> 00:25:09.951
biology.

00:25:09.952 --> 00:25:09.966
Fair.

00:25:09.967 --> 00:25:10.967
But

00:25:14.180 --> 00:25:15.979
pharma has to be in the business of

00:25:15.980 --> 00:25:17.389
getting you to take the new and

00:25:17.390 --> 00:25:18.769
having you distrust the old.

00:25:18.770 --> 00:25:21.079
And so anyway, I think

00:25:21.080 --> 00:25:23.659
there's a way in which the
rationalization

00:25:23.660 --> 00:25:25.519
has no limit and

00:25:25.520 --> 00:25:26.629
they have gotten to the point that

00:25:26.630 --> 00:25:27.889
they are willing to cause a huge

00:25:27.890 --> 00:25:29.719
amount of death, apparently.

00:25:29.720 --> 00:25:31.189
And even at the point that it's been

00:25:31.190 --> 00:25:33.619
revealed in public, they don't stop,

00:25:33.620 --> 00:25:35.719
which is another amazing

00:25:35.720 --> 00:25:37.639
fact. You would imagine that they

00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:39.859
would have been embarrassed into

00:25:39.860 --> 00:25:41.869
stopping this vaccination program

00:25:41.870 --> 00:25:42.889
at this point.

00:25:42.890 --> 00:25:44.329
So the problem, though, I would say

00:25:44.330 --> 00:25:46.159
for pharma and for the

00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:48.229
politicians who

00:25:48.230 --> 00:25:49.339
support and promote them in the

00:25:49.340 --> 00:25:52.099
media, who do the same, is that

00:25:52.100 --> 00:25:54.049
there are people like you who

00:25:54.050 --> 00:25:55.699
are not crackpots, who are

00:25:55.700 --> 00:25:57.132
scientists and physicians, long

00:25:58.490 --> 00:25:59.779
time researchers with fully

00:25:59.780 --> 00:26:01.759
credentialed work histories.

00:26:01.760 --> 00:26:03.709
Not too many, but a sizable

00:26:03.710 --> 00:26:05.929
number who will not let go,

00:26:05.930 --> 00:26:07.819
who are completely dogged

00:26:07.820 --> 00:26:09.769
in the pursuit of more data

00:26:09.770 --> 00:26:10.770
about this.

00:26:12.320 --> 00:26:14.599
So like, what do they do with you

00:26:14.600 --> 00:26:15.619
and people like you?

00:26:15.620 --> 00:26:17.719
Well, I think the astonishing

00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:18.859
thing is that

00:26:19.940 --> 00:26:22.309
as you point out, small group

00:26:22.310 --> 00:26:24.619
of dissidents upended

00:26:24.620 --> 00:26:26.089
their narrative.

00:26:26.090 --> 00:26:28.069
Uptake rates on the new boosters

00:26:28.070 --> 00:26:29.929
are in the low single

00:26:29.930 --> 00:26:30.930
digits.

00:26:32.030 --> 00:26:32.599
Low single digit?

00:26:32.600 --> 00:26:33.079
Yes.

00:26:33.080 --> 00:26:34.219
So nobody's taking it.

00:26:34.220 --> 00:26:35.059
Nobody's taking it.

00:26:35.060 --> 00:26:37.009
Now, I'm troubled by

00:26:37.010 --> 00:26:39.169
the fact that at the same time,

00:26:39.170 --> 00:26:41.059
we don't see

00:26:41.060 --> 00:26:43.249
a massive majority acknowledging

00:26:43.250 --> 00:26:44.659
the vaccination campaign was a

00:26:44.660 --> 00:26:45.899
mistake in the first place.

00:26:45.900 --> 00:26:46.939
They got it. And they don't want to

00:26:46.940 --> 00:26:47.659
think about it.

00:26:47.660 --> 00:26:48.589
And I get it.

00:26:48.590 --> 00:26:50.239
I get it.

00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:51.739
I wouldn't want to think about it

00:26:51.740 --> 00:26:52.740
either but

00:26:53.750 --> 00:26:54.830
the problem is

00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:57.379
it's a moral obligation.

00:26:57.380 --> 00:26:58.399
I mean, we're still injecting these

00:26:58.400 --> 00:26:59.709
things into kids, for God sakes.

00:26:59.710 --> 00:27:00.710
So

00:27:02.090 --> 00:27:04.189
it is important to stand up and say

00:27:04.190 --> 00:27:05.809
I was had and I think all of us

00:27:05.810 --> 00:27:07.729
were. I believed

00:27:07.730 --> 00:27:09.859
that this vaccine was likely

00:27:09.860 --> 00:27:11.929
effective when it first came

00:27:11.930 --> 00:27:13.609
out. And the thing that triggered

00:27:13.610 --> 00:27:15.469
Heather and me to question it

00:27:15.470 --> 00:27:16.999
was the fact that we were also told

00:27:17.000 --> 00:27:18.139
that it was safe, which couldn't

00:27:18.140 --> 00:27:18.978
possibly be true.

00:27:18.979 --> 00:27:21.289
It might have been harmless,

00:27:21.290 --> 00:27:22.759
but they couldn't say safe because

00:27:22.760 --> 00:27:24.229
nobody on earth knew what the long

00:27:24.230 --> 00:27:25.489
term impacts would be.

00:27:25.490 --> 00:27:26.959
And when you say safe, you're

00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:28.584
not...If I say I

00:27:31.060 --> 00:27:33.639
drove home drunk,

00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:35.529
but I made it without harm

00:27:35.530 --> 00:27:36.469
so it was safe.

00:27:36.470 --> 00:27:37.719
You know that I have said something

00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:38.509
foolish. Yes.

00:27:38.510 --> 00:27:40.449
And in this case, even if the thing

00:27:40.450 --> 00:27:41.709
had turned out to be harmless,

00:27:41.710 --> 00:27:43.209
nobody could know that it was so it

00:27:43.210 --> 00:27:44.739
wasn't safe. And for them to assure

00:27:44.740 --> 00:27:46.179
us that it was was a lie from the

00:27:46.180 --> 00:27:48.009
get go, that's what caused

00:27:48.010 --> 00:27:49.419
Heather and me to start looking into

00:27:49.420 --> 00:27:50.889
it. And the deeper we dug, the

00:27:50.890 --> 00:27:52.599
crazier the story got.

00:27:52.600 --> 00:27:54.609
Not safe and ineffective,

00:27:54.610 --> 00:27:55.989
in fact, harmful.

00:27:55.990 --> 00:27:56.990
And shockingly

00:27:58.230 --> 00:27:59.699
ineffective at everything that you

00:27:59.700 --> 00:28:00.960
might want it to be effective at.

00:28:02.040 --> 00:28:03.929
So the story

00:28:03.930 --> 00:28:06.449
is an odd one.

00:28:06.450 --> 00:28:08.249
The fact that that small number of

00:28:08.250 --> 00:28:10.289
dissidents was able

00:28:10.290 --> 00:28:12.329
to upend the narrative,

00:28:12.330 --> 00:28:14.819
was able to bring people's awareness

00:28:14.820 --> 00:28:17.189
to the massive levels of harmony

00:28:17.190 --> 00:28:19.439
and effectiveness of the shots is

00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:20.440
in some ways

00:28:21.450 --> 00:28:23.029
the most surprising element of the

00:28:23.030 --> 00:28:24.899
story. And I think it truly

00:28:24.900 --> 00:28:27.179
surprised Pharma

00:28:27.180 --> 00:28:29.219
and its partners in

00:28:29.220 --> 00:28:31.469
social media and government,

00:28:33.650 --> 00:28:35.869
in non-governmental organizations.

00:28:35.870 --> 00:28:37.909
I think they thought that they owned

00:28:37.910 --> 00:28:39.859
enough of the media that

00:28:39.860 --> 00:28:41.209
they could sell us any narrative

00:28:41.210 --> 00:28:42.589
that they wished and.

00:28:43.700 --> 00:28:45.589
I think surprising as it is,

00:28:45.590 --> 00:28:47.629
they didn't really understand

00:28:47.630 --> 00:28:50.149
that podcasts

00:28:50.150 --> 00:28:52.159
could possibly

00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:54.019
be a countervailing force

00:28:54.020 --> 00:28:55.069
of significance.

00:28:55.070 --> 00:28:57.169
If you own NBC News, that's enough.

00:28:57.170 --> 00:28:58.369
You would think, all right, you

00:28:58.370 --> 00:29:00.619
know, it's a it's failing to update

00:29:00.620 --> 00:29:02.809
from the buying by the barrel

00:29:02.810 --> 00:29:03.810
aphorism.

00:29:05.120 --> 00:29:06.979
So what happened was it turned

00:29:06.980 --> 00:29:08.929
out that a number of us were

00:29:08.930 --> 00:29:11.029
willing to make

00:29:11.030 --> 00:29:12.439
mistakes and correct them in real

00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:14.359
time to talk about this in plain

00:29:14.360 --> 00:29:16.339
English with the public

00:29:16.340 --> 00:29:18.409
to do so, you know, in Joe Rogan's

00:29:18.410 --> 00:29:19.759
man cave.

00:29:19.760 --> 00:29:21.769
And the fact is, people

00:29:21.770 --> 00:29:23.239
listened because, of course, this

00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:25.099
was on everybody's mind and what

00:29:25.100 --> 00:29:26.389
they were supposed to do to protect.

00:29:26.390 --> 00:29:28.519
You know, they've been terrified and

00:29:28.520 --> 00:29:30.169
what to do to protect your family's

00:29:30.170 --> 00:29:31.999
health was a question that everybody

00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:33.499
wants to know the answer to.

00:29:33.500 --> 00:29:35.749
So our ability to reach millions

00:29:35.750 --> 00:29:37.609
of people surprised

00:29:37.610 --> 00:29:38.839
those who thought they were just

00:29:38.840 --> 00:29:40.549
going to shove this narrative down

00:29:40.550 --> 00:29:41.749
our throats.

00:29:41.750 --> 00:29:42.750
And.

00:29:43.380 --> 00:29:45.359
This gets me to the The

00:29:45.360 --> 00:29:47.819
WHO, the World Health Organization

00:29:47.820 --> 00:29:50.819
and its pandemic preparedness

00:29:50.820 --> 00:29:52.919
plan modifications.

00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:54.839
What I believe is going on

00:29:54.840 --> 00:29:56.819
is the World Health Organization

00:29:56.820 --> 00:29:59.219
is now revising

00:29:59.220 --> 00:30:01.169
the structures

00:30:01.170 --> 00:30:03.029
that allowed the dissidents to

00:30:03.030 --> 00:30:05.039
upend the narrative, and

00:30:05.040 --> 00:30:06.959
they are looking for a rematch.

00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:09.419
I think. What they want

00:30:09.420 --> 00:30:11.159
are the measures that would have

00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:12.809
allowed them to silence the

00:30:12.810 --> 00:30:14.940
podcasters, to mandate

00:30:16.020 --> 00:30:17.909
various things internationally

00:30:17.910 --> 00:30:19.440
in a way that would

00:30:20.820 --> 00:30:22.649
prevent the emergence of a control

00:30:22.650 --> 00:30:24.269
group that would allow us to see

00:30:24.270 --> 00:30:26.549
harms clearly.

00:30:26.550 --> 00:30:28.379
So that's the reason that

00:30:28.380 --> 00:30:30.149
I think people, as much as they want

00:30:30.150 --> 00:30:31.979
to move on from thinking about

00:30:31.980 --> 00:30:34.049
COVID, maybe stop thinking

00:30:34.050 --> 00:30:35.909
about it, but do start

00:30:35.910 --> 00:30:37.769
thinking about what has

00:30:37.770 --> 00:30:39.599
taken place with respect

00:30:39.600 --> 00:30:41.789
to medicine, with respect to public

00:30:41.790 --> 00:30:44.039
health, with respect to pharma,

00:30:44.040 --> 00:30:46.409
and ask yourself the question, given

00:30:46.410 --> 00:30:48.419
what you now know, would you want

00:30:48.420 --> 00:30:50.339
to relive a pandemic

00:30:50.340 --> 00:30:52.949
like the COVID pandemic without

00:30:52.950 --> 00:30:54.599
the tools that allowed you to

00:30:54.600 --> 00:30:56.549
ultimately, in the end, see clearly

00:30:56.550 --> 00:30:58.169
that it didn't make sense to take

00:30:58.170 --> 00:30:59.429
another one of these shots or to

00:30:59.430 --> 00:31:01.259
have your kids take.

00:31:01.260 --> 00:31:02.189
We want those tools.

00:31:02.190 --> 00:31:03.569
In fact, we need them.

00:31:03.570 --> 00:31:05.489
And something is

00:31:05.490 --> 00:31:07.559
quietly moving just out of sight

00:31:07.560 --> 00:31:09.389
in order that we will not have

00:31:09.390 --> 00:31:11.219
access to them the next

00:31:11.220 --> 00:31:13.199
time we face a serious

00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:13.889
emergency.

00:31:13.890 --> 00:31:15.389
So you're saying that an

00:31:15.390 --> 00:31:17.609
international health organization

00:31:17.610 --> 00:31:18.959
could just end the First Amendment

00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:20.699
in the United States?

00:31:20.700 --> 00:31:22.919
Yes. And in fact,

00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:24.809
as much as this sounds,

00:31:24.810 --> 00:31:26.519
I know that it sounds preposterous,

00:31:26.520 --> 00:31:27.299
but.

00:31:27.300 --> 00:31:29.399
It does not sound preposterous.

00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:31.589
The ability to do it

00:31:31.590 --> 00:31:34.229
is currently under discussion

00:31:34.230 --> 00:31:36.089
at the international level.

00:31:39.170 --> 00:31:41.089
It's almost impossible to exaggerate

00:31:41.090 --> 00:31:42.949
how troubling what is being

00:31:42.950 --> 00:31:45.109
discussed is.

00:31:45.110 --> 00:31:47.809
In fact, I think it is fair to say

00:31:47.810 --> 00:31:50.899
that we are in the middle

00:31:50.900 --> 00:31:52.579
of a coup.

00:31:52.580 --> 00:31:54.499
We are actually facing

00:31:54.500 --> 00:31:56.719
the elimination of

00:31:56.720 --> 00:31:58.639
our national and our

00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:01.299
personal sovereignty.

00:32:01.300 --> 00:32:03.759
And that that is the purpose

00:32:03.760 --> 00:32:05.589
of what is being constructed, that

00:32:05.590 --> 00:32:07.899
it has been written

00:32:07.900 --> 00:32:09.172
in such a way that your

00:32:10.870 --> 00:32:12.819
eyes are supposed to glaze over

00:32:12.820 --> 00:32:15.699
as you attempt to sort out

00:32:15.700 --> 00:32:16.809
what is it?

00:32:16.810 --> 00:32:18.729
What is under discussion?

00:32:18.730 --> 00:32:20.979
And if you do that, then

00:32:20.980 --> 00:32:23.109
come May of this year,

00:32:23.110 --> 00:32:24.999
your nation is

00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:27.159
almost certain to sign on

00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:28.615
to an agreement that in some

00:32:28.616 --> 00:32:29.616
utterly,

00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:32.009
vaguely described future

00:32:32.010 --> 00:32:33.869
circumstance, a public health

00:32:33.870 --> 00:32:35.939
emergency which the director general

00:32:35.940 --> 00:32:37.889
of the World Health Organization

00:32:37.890 --> 00:32:40.079
has total liberty to define

00:32:40.080 --> 00:32:42.209
in any way that he sees fit.

00:32:42.210 --> 00:32:45.239
In other words, nothing prevents

00:32:45.240 --> 00:32:47.129
climate change from being declared

00:32:47.130 --> 00:32:49.439
a public health emergency

00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:51.659
that would trigger the provisions

00:32:51.660 --> 00:32:53.909
of these modifications.

00:32:53.910 --> 00:32:55.889
And in the case that some emergency

00:32:55.890 --> 00:32:57.929
or some pretense

00:32:57.930 --> 00:32:59.969
of an emergency shows up,

00:32:59.970 --> 00:33:02.069
the provisions that would kick

00:33:02.070 --> 00:33:03.070
in are beyond jaw-dropping.

00:33:08.140 --> 00:33:09.999
So before you get into

00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:11.469
it and I, I just want to thank you,

00:33:11.470 --> 00:33:12.609
by the way, for taking the time to

00:33:12.610 --> 00:33:14.709
go through this proposal,

00:33:14.710 --> 00:33:15.729
because you're absolutely right.

00:33:15.730 --> 00:33:17.199
It's it's impenetrable.

00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:19.149
It's designed to be, to cloak

00:33:19.150 --> 00:33:20.079
what they're saying rather than

00:33:20.080 --> 00:33:21.080
illuminate it.

00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:23.979
What's it called?

00:33:23.980 --> 00:33:26.019
Well, the funny thing is, actually,

00:33:26.020 --> 00:33:28.059
I was looking this morning

00:33:28.060 --> 00:33:29.889
to find out what the current name is

00:33:29.890 --> 00:33:31.239
and the names have actually been

00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:32.109
shifted slightly.

00:33:32.110 --> 00:33:33.279
Clearly a feature.

00:33:33.280 --> 00:33:34.280
Oh, it's a shape shifting...
agreement.

00:33:36.246 --> 00:33:38.139
What I would do

00:33:38.140 --> 00:33:40.209
in order and I,

00:33:40.210 --> 00:33:42.099
it's unclear to me

00:33:42.100 --> 00:33:44.349
how much that's just simply designed

00:33:44.350 --> 00:33:46.029
to confuse somebody who tries to

00:33:46.030 --> 00:33:47.559
sort it out and how much that's

00:33:47.560 --> 00:33:49.299
designed to, for example,

00:33:50.620 --> 00:33:52.449
game the search engine

00:33:52.450 --> 00:33:54.129
technology that might allow you to

00:33:54.130 --> 00:33:55.749
track the changes.

00:33:55.750 --> 00:33:57.129
Because to the extent that the name

00:33:57.130 --> 00:33:59.109
has shifted, I'm so.

00:33:59.110 --> 00:33:59.559
Smart.

00:33:59.560 --> 00:34:01.479
I call it the

00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:03.999
World Health Organization Pandemic

00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:06.209
Preparedness Plan.

00:34:06.210 --> 00:34:09.488
Right. And what is under discussion

00:34:09.489 --> 00:34:11.439
are some modifications

00:34:11.440 --> 00:34:13.658
to the global public

00:34:13.659 --> 00:34:15.729
health regulations and

00:34:15.730 --> 00:34:17.619
modifications to an existing

00:34:17.620 --> 00:34:18.579
treaty.

00:34:18.580 --> 00:34:20.678
But all of this makes it sound

00:34:20.679 --> 00:34:22.389
minor and procedural.

00:34:23.590 --> 00:34:24.590
What has been proposed are,

00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:28.959
and again, the number

00:34:28.960 --> 00:34:30.399
of things included here is

00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:32.169
incredible. It's hard even for those

00:34:32.170 --> 00:34:33.999
of us who have been focused on

00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:35.589
this track, all of the important

00:34:35.590 --> 00:34:37.388
things under discussion and to

00:34:37.389 --> 00:34:38.799
deduce the meaning of some of the

00:34:38.800 --> 00:34:40.388
more subtle provisions.

00:34:40.389 --> 00:34:42.609
But they,

00:34:43.630 --> 00:34:44.888
the World Health Organization and

00:34:44.889 --> 00:34:46.869
its signatory nations

00:34:46.870 --> 00:34:47.870
will be

00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:51.059
allowed to define a public health

00:34:51.060 --> 00:34:52.060
emergency.

00:34:53.690 --> 00:34:55.789
Any basis that having

00:34:55.790 --> 00:34:57.619
declared one, they

00:34:57.620 --> 00:35:00.139
will be entitled to

00:35:00.140 --> 00:35:03.029
mandate remedies.

00:35:03.030 --> 00:35:05.009
Remedies that are named

00:35:05.010 --> 00:35:06.010
include

00:35:07.620 --> 00:35:08.620
vaccines.

00:35:10.180 --> 00:35:12.069
Gene therapy technology

00:35:12.070 --> 00:35:14.259
is literally named in

00:35:14.260 --> 00:35:16.209
the the set of

00:35:16.210 --> 00:35:18.129
things that the World Health

00:35:18.130 --> 00:35:19.389
Organization is going to reserve the

00:35:19.390 --> 00:35:21.339
right to mandate, that

00:35:21.340 --> 00:35:23.859
it will be in a position to

00:35:23.860 --> 00:35:26.649
require these things of citizens,

00:35:26.650 --> 00:35:29.589
that it will be in a position to

00:35:29.590 --> 00:35:31.509
dictate our ability

00:35:31.510 --> 00:35:34.149
to travel, in other words, passports

00:35:34.150 --> 00:35:36.309
that would be predicated on

00:35:36.310 --> 00:35:38.499
one having accepted

00:35:38.500 --> 00:35:40.509
these technologies

00:35:40.510 --> 00:35:42.639
are clearly being

00:35:42.640 --> 00:35:44.109
described.

00:35:44.110 --> 00:35:46.449
It would have the ability to

00:35:46.450 --> 00:35:48.489
forbid the use of

00:35:48.490 --> 00:35:49.659
other medications.

00:35:49.660 --> 00:35:51.579
So this looks like they're preparing

00:35:51.580 --> 00:35:53.079
for a rerun where they can just

00:35:53.080 --> 00:35:54.279
simply take ivermectin,

00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:56.289
hydroxychloroquine off

00:35:56.290 --> 00:35:57.290
the table.

00:36:00.050 --> 00:36:01.969
They also have reserved the

00:36:01.970 --> 00:36:02.970
ability.

00:36:03.560 --> 00:36:05.389
Dictate how these

00:36:06.680 --> 00:36:08.599
measures are discussed.

00:36:08.600 --> 00:36:10.579
That censorship is described

00:36:10.580 --> 00:36:12.799
here as well, the right to dictate

00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:13.609
that.

00:36:13.610 --> 00:36:15.229
Of course, misinformation is how

00:36:15.230 --> 00:36:16.519
they're going to describe it.

00:36:16.520 --> 00:36:17.899
Well, in fact, I  want to ask you to

00:36:17.900 --> 00:36:19.759
pause and play a sound

00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:20.760
bite from Tedros.

00:36:22.180 --> 00:36:23.229
In which he alludes to this.

00:36:23.230 --> 00:36:24.279
And I want to get your assessment of

00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:25.269
it. Here it is.

00:36:25.270 --> 00:36:28.119
We continue to see misinformation

00:36:28.120 --> 00:36:30.099
on social media and

00:36:30.100 --> 00:36:32.229
in mainstream media about

00:36:32.230 --> 00:36:34.329
the pandemic accord that countries

00:36:34.330 --> 00:36:35.499
are now negotiating.

00:36:35.500 --> 00:36:37.509
The claim that the accord

00:36:37.510 --> 00:36:39.549
will cede power to W.H.O.

00:36:39.550 --> 00:36:42.039
is quite simply false.

00:36:42.040 --> 00:36:43.419
It's fake news.

00:36:43.420 --> 00:36:45.459
Countries will decide

00:36:45.460 --> 00:36:47.439
what the accord says and

00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:49.299
countries alone and

00:36:49.300 --> 00:36:51.819
countries will implement the accord

00:36:51.820 --> 00:36:53.889
in line with their own

00:36:53.890 --> 00:36:55.239
national laws.

00:36:55.240 --> 00:36:57.339
No country will cede any

00:36:57.340 --> 00:36:59.109
sovereignty to W.H.O.

00:36:59.110 --> 00:37:01.299
if any politician, business

00:37:01.300 --> 00:37:03.249
person or anyone

00:37:03.250 --> 00:37:05.109
at all is confused about

00:37:05.110 --> 00:37:07.059
what the pandemic accord is

00:37:07.060 --> 00:37:08.199
and isn't.

00:37:08.200 --> 00:37:10.059
We would be more than happy to

00:37:10.060 --> 00:37:12.519
discuss it and explain

00:37:12.520 --> 00:37:13.509
it.

00:37:13.510 --> 00:37:15.339
So he's going to be more than happy

00:37:15.340 --> 00:37:16.569
to discuss and explain the

00:37:16.570 --> 00:37:17.848
misinformation that your now

00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:20.109
spreading.

00:37:20.110 --> 00:37:21.729
That is comforting.

00:37:21.730 --> 00:37:23.679
Well, on the one

00:37:23.680 --> 00:37:25.089
hand, I must say I had not seen

00:37:25.090 --> 00:37:27.819
that. And it is tremendously

00:37:27.820 --> 00:37:28.629
good news.

00:37:28.630 --> 00:37:30.489
Actually, what it means is

00:37:30.490 --> 00:37:32.379
that once again, we have managed to

00:37:32.380 --> 00:37:34.329
raise awareness of something in

00:37:34.330 --> 00:37:36.789
time that there is

00:37:36.790 --> 00:37:39.309
conceivably a better outcome

00:37:39.310 --> 00:37:40.481
still available to us.

00:37:40.482 --> 00:37:41.589
They are spooked enough to bother to

00:37:41.590 --> 00:37:42.590
lie about it.

00:37:43.300 --> 00:37:44.859
You couldn't have said it more

00:37:44.860 --> 00:37:46.569
accurately. Yes. No, those were

00:37:46.570 --> 00:37:48.069
clearly lies.

00:37:48.070 --> 00:37:50.049
And of course, his saying that

00:37:50.050 --> 00:37:51.879
into a camera is supposed to

00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:53.679
convince you, you know, nobody could

00:37:53.680 --> 00:37:55.849
possibly lie so directly.

00:37:55.850 --> 00:37:57.249
So there must be some truth in what

00:37:57.250 --> 00:37:58.179
he's saying, which is, of course,

00:37:58.180 --> 00:38:00.159
nonsense. And anybody who goes back

00:38:00.160 --> 00:38:01.419
through a

00:38:03.130 --> 00:38:05.199
compendium of various

00:38:05.200 --> 00:38:06.429
things that people have said into

00:38:06.430 --> 00:38:07.959
cameras over the course of COVID,

00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:09.159
that they then swear they didn't

00:38:09.160 --> 00:38:10.794
say, you know once later, knows

00:38:12.160 --> 00:38:13.479
that these folks are very

00:38:13.480 --> 00:38:15.099
comfortable at saying totally false

00:38:15.100 --> 00:38:16.779
things into a camera that doesn't

00:38:16.780 --> 00:38:18.669
cause them to think twice or sweat

00:38:18.670 --> 00:38:19.670
or anything.

00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:21.320
But.

00:38:21.650 --> 00:38:23.119
It's great that we have managed to

00:38:23.120 --> 00:38:24.979
raise enough awareness that Tedros

00:38:24.980 --> 00:38:26.869
is actually addressing

00:38:26.870 --> 00:38:28.849
our spreading of what

00:38:28.850 --> 00:38:30.010
it actually is, is malinformation.

00:38:31.430 --> 00:38:33.319
You're aware of this

00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:35.359
this? Oh, it's beautiful.

00:38:35.360 --> 00:38:37.219
I'm so old that I

00:38:37.220 --> 00:38:39.259
was still stuck in the truth

00:38:39.260 --> 00:38:40.499
or falsehood binary.

00:38:40.500 --> 00:38:41.500
Where

00:38:42.710 --> 00:38:43.819
what mattered was whether it was

00:38:43.820 --> 00:38:44.719
true or not.

00:38:44.720 --> 00:38:46.789
No, the malinformation

00:38:46.790 --> 00:38:48.169
is actually exactly what you need to

00:38:48.170 --> 00:38:50.239
know about to see how

00:38:50.240 --> 00:38:53.299
antiquated that notion is, because

00:38:53.300 --> 00:38:54.499
this is actually the Department of

00:38:54.500 --> 00:38:56.149
Homeland Security actually issued a

00:38:56.150 --> 00:38:58.039
memo in which

00:38:58.040 --> 00:38:59.959
it defined three kinds

00:38:59.960 --> 00:39:02.749
of, I kid you not, terrorism.

00:39:02.750 --> 00:39:04.369
Mis, Dis and Mal information,

00:39:04.370 --> 00:39:07.039
misinformation are errors,

00:39:07.040 --> 00:39:08.869
disinformation are intentional

00:39:08.870 --> 00:39:11.419
errors, lies and mal information

00:39:11.420 --> 00:39:13.129
are things that are based in truth

00:39:13.130 --> 00:39:14.689
that cause you to distrust

00:39:14.690 --> 00:39:15.690
authority.

00:39:16.320 --> 00:39:18.259
Oh, so mal information

00:39:18.260 --> 00:39:19.369
is what you commit when you catch

00:39:19.370 --> 00:39:20.809
them lying?

00:39:20.810 --> 00:39:22.039
Exactly.

00:39:22.040 --> 00:39:23.959
Yeah, it is, discussing the lies

00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:25.879
of your your government is

00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:27.259
mal information and therefore a kind

00:39:27.260 --> 00:39:28.369
of terrorism, which I should point

00:39:28.370 --> 00:39:29.989
out, as funny as that is and as

00:39:29.990 --> 00:39:31.849
obviously Orwellian as that is,

00:39:31.850 --> 00:39:33.649
it's also terrifying because if you

00:39:33.650 --> 00:39:35.539
have tracked the history of

00:39:35.540 --> 00:39:37.459
the spreading tyranny from

00:39:37.460 --> 00:39:39.319
the beginning of the war on terror,

00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:40.909
you know that terrorism is not a

00:39:40.910 --> 00:39:42.829
normal English word the way it once

00:39:42.830 --> 00:39:45.049
was. Terrorism is now

00:39:45.050 --> 00:39:47.089
a legal designation that

00:39:47.090 --> 00:39:48.709
causes all of your rights to

00:39:48.710 --> 00:39:49.519
evaporate.

00:39:49.520 --> 00:39:50.749
So at the point that the Department

00:39:50.750 --> 00:39:52.669
of Homeland Security says that

00:39:52.670 --> 00:39:53.749
you are guilty of a kind of

00:39:53.750 --> 00:39:55.339
terrorism for saying true things

00:39:55.340 --> 00:39:56.449
that cause you to distrust your

00:39:56.450 --> 00:39:57.919
government, they are also telling

00:39:57.920 --> 00:39:59.689
you something about what rights they

00:39:59.690 --> 00:40:01.889
have to silence you.

00:40:01.890 --> 00:40:03.479
They are not normal rights.

00:40:03.480 --> 00:40:05.369
So these

00:40:05.370 --> 00:40:06.370
things are all

00:40:07.380 --> 00:40:09.209
terrifying. And I do think as

00:40:09.210 --> 00:40:10.049
much as.

00:40:10.050 --> 00:40:11.619
My jaw's opened.

00:40:11.620 --> 00:40:13.829
The COVID pandemic caused

00:40:13.830 --> 00:40:15.659
us to become aware of a lot of

00:40:15.660 --> 00:40:17.729
structures that had been built

00:40:17.730 --> 00:40:19.649
around us, something

00:40:19.650 --> 00:40:21.509
that former

00:40:21.510 --> 00:40:23.459
NSA officer William Binney

00:40:23.460 --> 00:40:25.379
once described as the turnkey

00:40:25.380 --> 00:40:27.269
totalitarian state, the

00:40:27.270 --> 00:40:29.189
totalitarian state is erected around

00:40:29.190 --> 00:40:30.959
you. But it's not activated.

00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:32.999
And then once it's built, the key

00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:33.869
gets turned.

00:40:33.870 --> 00:40:35.999
And so we are now seeing,

00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:37.139
I believe, something that even

00:40:37.140 --> 00:40:38.220
outstrips William Binney's

00:40:38.221 --> 00:40:40.349
description because it's

00:40:40.350 --> 00:40:42.659
the turnkey totalitarian planet.

00:40:42.660 --> 00:40:43.679
I think the World Health

00:40:43.680 --> 00:40:45.509
Organization is above the level of

00:40:45.510 --> 00:40:46.859
nations, and it is going to be in a

00:40:46.860 --> 00:40:48.929
position, if these

00:40:48.930 --> 00:40:51.209
provisions passed, to dictate

00:40:51.210 --> 00:40:52.649
to nations how they are to treat

00:40:52.650 --> 00:40:54.389
their own citizens, to override

00:40:54.390 --> 00:40:55.859
their constitutions, despite what

00:40:55.860 --> 00:40:57.780
Tedros has told you.

00:40:59.460 --> 00:41:01.319
So that is

00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:03.089
frightening. It's not inherently

00:41:03.090 --> 00:41:04.090
about health.

00:41:04.730 --> 00:41:06.150
What I think is happened is the

00:41:08.790 --> 00:41:10.649
fact of a

00:41:10.650 --> 00:41:13.049
possible pandemic

00:41:13.050 --> 00:41:15.719
causes a loophole

00:41:15.720 --> 00:41:17.429
in the mind.

00:41:17.430 --> 00:41:19.739
It's not a loophole in our

00:41:19.740 --> 00:41:21.209
governance documents.

00:41:21.210 --> 00:41:23.669
Our Constitution doesn't describe

00:41:23.670 --> 00:41:25.859
exemptions from your rights

00:41:25.860 --> 00:41:27.659
during a time of a pandemic

00:41:27.660 --> 00:41:29.249
emergency. Your rights simply are

00:41:29.250 --> 00:41:30.119
what they are, and they're not

00:41:30.120 --> 00:41:32.009
supposed to go anywhere just

00:41:32.010 --> 00:41:33.900
because there's a disease spreading.

00:41:35.040 --> 00:41:36.210
But nonetheless,

00:41:37.260 --> 00:41:39.869
people's willingness

00:41:39.870 --> 00:41:41.669
to accept the erosion of their

00:41:41.670 --> 00:41:43.259
rights because of a public health

00:41:43.260 --> 00:41:45.719
emergency has

00:41:45.720 --> 00:41:47.849
allowed this tyranny to

00:41:47.850 --> 00:41:49.619
to use it as a Trojan horse.

00:41:49.620 --> 00:41:50.620
And

00:41:51.630 --> 00:41:52.770
I think that's also,

00:41:54.720 --> 00:41:56.309
it's something people need to become

00:41:56.310 --> 00:41:57.719
aware of, that

00:41:59.040 --> 00:42:01.109
there are a number of

00:42:01.110 --> 00:42:02.940
features of our environment that are

00:42:04.350 --> 00:42:06.749
basically, they are blind spots

00:42:06.750 --> 00:42:08.669
that we can't see past.

00:42:08.670 --> 00:42:09.989
Vaccine was one.

00:42:09.990 --> 00:42:11.969
And I know I was an

00:42:11.970 --> 00:42:13.979
enthusiast about vaccines.

00:42:13.980 --> 00:42:15.929
I still believe deeply

00:42:15.930 --> 00:42:18.149
in the elegance of

00:42:18.150 --> 00:42:20.609
vaccines as they should exist,

00:42:20.610 --> 00:42:22.199
but I'm now very alarmed at how they

00:42:22.200 --> 00:42:23.819
are produced, and I'm even more

00:42:23.820 --> 00:42:25.859
alarmed at what has been called

00:42:25.860 --> 00:42:27.269
a vaccine that doesn't meet the

00:42:27.270 --> 00:42:28.469
definition.

00:42:28.470 --> 00:42:30.329
That because many of

00:42:30.330 --> 00:42:32.429
us believe that vaccines

00:42:32.430 --> 00:42:34.590
were an extremely elegant,

00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:37.769
low harm, high

00:42:37.770 --> 00:42:39.539
efficacy method of preventing

00:42:39.540 --> 00:42:40.379
disease.

00:42:40.380 --> 00:42:42.209
When they called this mRNA tech

00:42:42.210 --> 00:42:44.189
technology a vaccine, many

00:42:44.190 --> 00:42:46.169
of us gave it more

00:42:46.170 --> 00:42:48.149
credibility than we should have if

00:42:48.150 --> 00:42:49.585
they had called it a gene

00:42:52.100 --> 00:42:53.719
transfection technology.

00:42:53.720 --> 00:42:55.759
We would have thought, wait, what?

00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:57.559
You know that that's that sounds

00:42:57.560 --> 00:42:58.759
highly novel and it sounds

00:42:58.760 --> 00:43:00.049
dangerous. And how much do we know

00:43:00.050 --> 00:43:01.729
about the long term implications?

00:43:01.730 --> 00:43:02.629
But because they called it a

00:43:02.630 --> 00:43:04.819
vaccine, people were much readily,

00:43:04.820 --> 00:43:06.560
much more willing to to accept it.

00:43:07.850 --> 00:43:09.169
Public health functions the same

00:43:09.170 --> 00:43:11.059
way, if you think

00:43:11.060 --> 00:43:13.310
about it, public health.

00:43:15.230 --> 00:43:16.579
Step back a second.

00:43:16.580 --> 00:43:18.169
Your relationship with your doctor,

00:43:18.170 --> 00:43:19.429
your personal health

00:43:20.540 --> 00:43:22.519
ought to be very important to you.

00:43:22.520 --> 00:43:24.589
But there are ways in which things

00:43:24.590 --> 00:43:26.299
that happen at a population level

00:43:26.300 --> 00:43:27.469
affect your personal health.

00:43:27.470 --> 00:43:28.669
And your doctor is not in a position

00:43:28.670 --> 00:43:29.659
to do anything about it.

00:43:29.660 --> 00:43:31.759
So somebody's dumping pollution

00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:33.139
into a stream from which you're

00:43:33.140 --> 00:43:34.249
pulling fish.

00:43:34.250 --> 00:43:36.049
You know, you might detect the harm

00:43:36.050 --> 00:43:37.339
at the population level.

00:43:37.340 --> 00:43:38.599
You might need a regulation at a

00:43:38.600 --> 00:43:40.309
population level in order to protect

00:43:40.310 --> 00:43:41.959
you. Your doctor's not in a position

00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:43.669
to write you a pill to correct it.

00:43:43.670 --> 00:43:45.559
So the idea that public health is

00:43:45.560 --> 00:43:47.479
potentially a place to improve

00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:49.729
all of our well-being is real.

00:43:49.730 --> 00:43:51.619
But once you decide that there's

00:43:51.620 --> 00:43:53.629
something above doctors

00:43:53.630 --> 00:43:55.279
relative to your health, then that

00:43:55.280 --> 00:43:57.379
can be an excuse for all manner

00:43:57.380 --> 00:43:58.809
of tyranny.

00:43:58.810 --> 00:44:01.539
Public health has been

00:44:01.540 --> 00:44:03.699
adopted. It's like,

00:44:03.700 --> 00:44:05.559
it's like the sheep's clothing that

00:44:05.560 --> 00:44:08.019
has allowed the wolf to go after

00:44:08.020 --> 00:44:10.119
our rights because in fury

00:44:10.120 --> 00:44:11.739
it's trying to protect us from harms

00:44:11.740 --> 00:44:12.639
that we would like to be.

00:44:12.640 --> 00:44:14.919
And it generates such fear at such

00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.079
a huge scale that it weakens

00:44:17.080 --> 00:44:18.239
people's moral immune system's, they

00:44:18.240 --> 00:44:20.109
will accept things

00:44:20.110 --> 00:44:21.339
they would never accept otherwise.

00:44:21.340 --> 00:44:22.119
Absolutely.

00:44:22.120 --> 00:44:23.949
And as you know, and as

00:44:23.950 --> 00:44:26.229
as I know, when

00:44:26.230 --> 00:44:28.359
we raised questions about

00:44:28.360 --> 00:44:29.440
what was being

00:44:30.670 --> 00:44:32.019
being delivered to us under the

00:44:32.020 --> 00:44:33.849
guise of public health,

00:44:33.850 --> 00:44:36.039
we were demonized

00:44:36.040 --> 00:44:37.959
as if we had a moral

00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:39.699
defect. It wasn't even a cognitive

00:44:39.700 --> 00:44:40.989
defect where we were failing to

00:44:40.990 --> 00:44:42.429
understand the wisdom of these

00:44:42.430 --> 00:44:44.109
vaccines. It was a moral deffect

00:44:44.110 --> 00:44:45.489
where we were failing to protect

00:44:45.490 --> 00:44:47.319
others who were vulnerable by

00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:49.059
questioning these things.

00:44:49.060 --> 00:44:51.069
And so the

00:44:51.070 --> 00:44:53.199
idea that health is at stake in some

00:44:53.200 --> 00:44:55.179
vague, larger sense

00:44:55.180 --> 00:44:57.819
that requires us to

00:44:57.820 --> 00:44:59.889
to override the natural

00:44:59.890 --> 00:45:01.659
relationship between doctors and

00:45:01.660 --> 00:45:03.819
patients is itself

00:45:03.820 --> 00:45:05.949
a coup against medicine by something

00:45:05.950 --> 00:45:06.759
else.

00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:08.859
And we need to become aware of that.

00:45:08.860 --> 00:45:10.689
Just, just to check kind

00:45:10.690 --> 00:45:12.849
of like the souls

00:45:12.850 --> 00:45:14.379
of the people who are running all of

00:45:14.380 --> 00:45:15.159
this, the public health

00:45:15.160 --> 00:45:16.479
establishment, international public

00:45:16.480 --> 00:45:17.739
health establishment.

00:45:17.740 --> 00:45:19.139
Now that.

00:45:19.140 --> 00:45:20.729
You know, some researchers believe

00:45:20.730 --> 00:45:22.679
up to 17 million people

00:45:22.680 --> 00:45:23.999
could have been killed by these mRNA

00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:25.109
shots.

00:45:25.110 --> 00:45:26.939
Has any international public

00:45:26.940 --> 00:45:28.079
health official said, well, hold on

00:45:28.080 --> 00:45:29.099
a second. We need to get to the

00:45:29.100 --> 00:45:30.659
bottom of that, has that provoked

00:45:30.660 --> 00:45:31.949
any response?

00:45:31.950 --> 00:45:32.789
From the people in charge of our

00:45:32.790 --> 00:45:33.599
public health?

00:45:33.600 --> 00:45:36.119
Well, I'm trying to think globally,

00:45:36.120 --> 00:45:37.679
whether they're good examples.

00:45:37.680 --> 00:45:39.149
They're certainly some folks who

00:45:39.150 --> 00:45:41.369
have stood up in the European

00:45:41.370 --> 00:45:42.959
Parliament.

00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:44.279
But, I mean, in World Health

00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.019
Organization, CDC.

00:45:46.020 --> 00:45:47.399
No, I don't think so.

00:45:47.400 --> 00:45:49.319
I don't think we we have not seen

00:45:49.320 --> 00:45:51.209
an acknowledgment of the

00:45:51.210 --> 00:45:53.159
harm and error.

00:45:53.160 --> 00:45:54.299
They don't have Internet access.

00:45:54.300 --> 00:45:55.139
They don't know.

00:45:55.140 --> 00:45:55.919
What is that?

00:45:55.920 --> 00:45:57.359
Well, that's the incredible thing,

00:45:57.360 --> 00:45:59.429
is I still see claims.

00:46:01.480 --> 00:46:03.579
That just simply if they

00:46:03.580 --> 00:46:05.499
initially had believed them than

00:46:05.500 --> 00:46:07.269
they are long ago falsified, but

00:46:07.270 --> 00:46:09.159
they're still being advanced for

00:46:09.160 --> 00:46:10.479
whoever hasn't noticed.

00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:11.619
You know, the idea that it's a good

00:46:11.620 --> 00:46:13.389
idea to vaccinate your kids with

00:46:13.390 --> 00:46:15.249
mRNA shots being

00:46:15.250 --> 00:46:16.149
one of them.

00:46:16.150 --> 00:46:17.739
Right. To the extent that there was

00:46:17.740 --> 00:46:19.839
a panic that caused us to

00:46:19.840 --> 00:46:21.729
give these shots to people

00:46:21.730 --> 00:46:23.619
who couldn't possibly benefit

00:46:23.620 --> 00:46:25.509
from them, you would expect us

00:46:25.510 --> 00:46:27.369
to have backed that off extremely

00:46:27.370 --> 00:46:30.519
rapidly as it became impossible

00:46:30.520 --> 00:46:32.079
to defend those shots.

00:46:32.080 --> 00:46:34.479
And yet because there's still

00:46:34.480 --> 00:46:35.980
presumably some market for it,

00:46:37.660 --> 00:46:39.219
we are, we are still doing it.

00:46:39.220 --> 00:46:41.049
So we are living some

00:46:41.050 --> 00:46:42.489
crazy story in which things that are

00:46:42.490 --> 00:46:44.829
perfectly obvious are

00:46:44.830 --> 00:46:46.929
still somehow have not lodged

00:46:46.930 --> 00:46:48.459
themselves in the official public

00:46:48.460 --> 00:46:49.449
record.

00:46:49.450 --> 00:46:51.339
And, you know, I

00:46:51.340 --> 00:46:53.799
think that has a lot to do with,

00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:55.659
frankly, the death of journalism.

00:46:55.660 --> 00:46:57.909
A lot of us are doing jobs

00:46:57.910 --> 00:46:59.559
that we didn't train for.

00:46:59.560 --> 00:47:00.609
Heather and I are doing some

00:47:00.610 --> 00:47:02.079
journalistic job that we certainly

00:47:02.080 --> 00:47:03.849
didn't train for. We trained to

00:47:03.850 --> 00:47:05.289
think about biology.

00:47:05.290 --> 00:47:07.029
And, you know, we do that in front

00:47:07.030 --> 00:47:08.709
of a camera. And so that functions

00:47:08.710 --> 00:47:10.389
as a kind of stand in for

00:47:10.390 --> 00:47:12.969
journalism, but the handful

00:47:12.970 --> 00:47:14.590
of journalists who still exist,

00:47:15.940 --> 00:47:18.009
I think, without exception,

00:47:18.010 --> 00:47:19.419
are not scientifically trained.

00:47:20.520 --> 00:47:22.489
Right. You know, Matt Taibbi, Glenn

00:47:22.490 --> 00:47:24.469
Greenwald, you

00:47:24.470 --> 00:47:26.509
know, we don't have very many people

00:47:26.510 --> 00:47:27.889
doing investigative journalism.

00:47:27.890 --> 00:47:29.479
And the ones who.

00:47:31.680 --> 00:47:33.569
Who are doing it.

00:47:33.570 --> 00:47:35.459
They don't have the skill set that

00:47:35.460 --> 00:47:37.199
would make this a natural topic to

00:47:37.200 --> 00:47:38.249
investigate.

00:47:38.250 --> 00:47:40.169
So we have to

00:47:40.170 --> 00:47:41.999
boot up some kind of

00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:43.889
new institution

00:47:43.890 --> 00:47:45.539
that will allow us to do this job

00:47:45.540 --> 00:47:46.949
well. And presumably that will

00:47:46.950 --> 00:47:48.599
involve taking the few investigative

00:47:48.600 --> 00:47:50.999
journalists who

00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:52.859
remember how to do that job and the

00:47:52.860 --> 00:47:54.839
few scientists and doctors

00:47:54.840 --> 00:47:56.219
who are willing to still do their

00:47:56.220 --> 00:47:58.049
job and, you know, put

00:47:58.050 --> 00:47:58.979
us together.

00:47:58.980 --> 00:48:00.419
Right. Podcast isn't the right place

00:48:00.420 --> 00:48:01.420
to do it.

00:48:02.250 --> 00:48:03.419
That's all we got. That's all we

00:48:03.420 --> 00:48:05.249
got. But there's got

00:48:05.250 --> 00:48:07.110
to be a better, a better method.

00:48:08.500 --> 00:48:10.449
So if this is

00:48:10.450 --> 00:48:12.009
ratified or signed on to by the

00:48:12.010 --> 00:48:14.129
United States in May.

00:48:14.130 --> 00:48:15.130
So six months from now.

00:48:16.980 --> 00:48:17.980
It sounds like that's it.

00:48:19.200 --> 00:48:20.669
We don't know.

00:48:20.670 --> 00:48:22.769
I will say I have very little hope

00:48:22.770 --> 00:48:24.689
that the U.S.

00:48:24.690 --> 00:48:26.249
will derail this.

00:48:26.250 --> 00:48:27.809
I have the sense that whatever has

00:48:27.810 --> 00:48:30.329
captured our government

00:48:30.330 --> 00:48:32.139
is driving this as well.

00:48:32.140 --> 00:48:33.389
And so, in effect,

00:48:34.410 --> 00:48:35.429
the U.S.

00:48:35.430 --> 00:48:37.439
wants this change.

00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:38.759
It will, in fact, you know, in the

00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:40.769
same way that the Five Eyes

00:48:40.770 --> 00:48:42.989
nations agree to mutually

00:48:42.990 --> 00:48:44.879
violate the rights of each

00:48:44.880 --> 00:48:46.769
other's citizens, because, you

00:48:46.770 --> 00:48:48.689
know, that was not prevented in any

00:48:48.690 --> 00:48:50.519
of our constitutions.

00:48:50.520 --> 00:48:51.389
I think the U.S.

00:48:51.390 --> 00:48:53.249
wants something to force

00:48:53.250 --> 00:48:55.409
it to violate our constitutional

00:48:55.410 --> 00:48:56.219
protections.

00:48:56.220 --> 00:48:58.229
And the World Health Organization

00:48:58.230 --> 00:49:00.599
is going to be that entity.

00:49:00.600 --> 00:49:01.600
That said,

00:49:02.850 --> 00:49:05.669
I have recently been to

00:49:05.670 --> 00:49:07.559
the Czech Republic and I've been to

00:49:07.560 --> 00:49:08.699
Romania, and I've

00:49:10.050 --> 00:49:12.299
heard from other parts of

00:49:12.300 --> 00:49:14.909
the former Eastern Bloc that

00:49:14.910 --> 00:49:17.159
there is resistance, that people who

00:49:17.160 --> 00:49:19.319
have faced tyranny in living

00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:21.167
memory are

00:49:21.168 --> 00:49:22.168
much

00:49:23.040 --> 00:49:25.469
less ready to accept these

00:49:25.470 --> 00:49:27.599
changes and that they are actually

00:49:27.600 --> 00:49:29.519
beginning to

00:49:29.520 --> 00:49:31.019
mount a response.

00:49:31.020 --> 00:49:32.489
I worry that it will be

00:49:33.570 --> 00:49:35.669
too thin and

00:49:35.670 --> 00:49:37.979
easily defeated, especially if they

00:49:37.980 --> 00:49:39.629
do not understand that actually the

00:49:39.630 --> 00:49:41.459
world is depending on them,

00:49:41.460 --> 00:49:43.139
that the traditionally, the

00:49:43.140 --> 00:49:44.639
countries we traditionally think of

00:49:44.640 --> 00:49:46.889
as part of the West

00:49:46.890 --> 00:49:49.409
are compromised,

00:49:49.410 --> 00:49:51.419
and that these

00:49:51.420 --> 00:49:53.849
countries which have more recently

00:49:53.850 --> 00:49:56.309
joined or rejoined the West

00:49:56.310 --> 00:49:58.229
are the best hope we've got,

00:49:58.230 --> 00:49:59.879
that they are in a position to

00:49:59.880 --> 00:50:01.769
derail this

00:50:01.770 --> 00:50:03.869
set of provisions and that

00:50:03.870 --> 00:50:05.530
we are depending on them to do it.

00:50:06.720 --> 00:50:08.369
So I just want to end for a few

00:50:08.370 --> 00:50:09.899
moments on your, on the overview

00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:12.089
here. So you have all these

00:50:12.090 --> 00:50:13.799
remarkable things converging in a

00:50:13.800 --> 00:50:15.119
single 12-month period:

00:50:16.260 --> 00:50:18.599
war, pestilence, political

00:50:18.600 --> 00:50:19.600
unrest,

00:50:20.580 --> 00:50:22.139
apparently unsolvable political

00:50:22.140 --> 00:50:23.189
unrest.

00:50:23.190 --> 00:50:24.599
What do you think we're looking at

00:50:24.600 --> 00:50:25.469
in the West?

00:50:25.470 --> 00:50:27.329
Like, what is this moment and how

00:50:27.330 --> 00:50:28.889
does it end?

00:50:28.890 --> 00:50:31.889
Well, so I have

00:50:31.890 --> 00:50:33.899
long been interested in questions

00:50:33.900 --> 00:50:35.789
of good governance

00:50:35.790 --> 00:50:37.112
and the West and I'm

00:50:40.330 --> 00:50:42.639
sad to report that I think

00:50:42.640 --> 00:50:45.219
the West has actually collapsed

00:50:45.220 --> 00:50:46.959
and what we are left with is now

00:50:48.520 --> 00:50:50.559
a nebulous echo.

00:50:50.560 --> 00:50:52.449
The values of the West still

00:50:52.450 --> 00:50:54.999
function, but they function

00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:56.829
in a vague way, and we

00:50:56.830 --> 00:50:58.389
have seen that they can evaporate

00:50:58.390 --> 00:50:59.439
quickly under the right

00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:00.440
circumstances.

00:51:02.560 --> 00:51:04.449
I suspect and

00:51:04.450 --> 00:51:05.919
I really don't know, I don't think

00:51:05.920 --> 00:51:09.159
anybody knows, but I suspect

00:51:09.160 --> 00:51:10.989
that some powerful set

00:51:10.990 --> 00:51:13.509
of forces

00:51:13.510 --> 00:51:16.359
has decided

00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:18.489
that consent

00:51:18.490 --> 00:51:21.399
of the governed is too dangerous

00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:23.499
to tolerate and that it

00:51:23.500 --> 00:51:24.500
has begun

00:51:26.580 --> 00:51:27.580
to unhook it.

00:51:28.640 --> 00:51:29.991
And we do not know how

00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:33.269
this works.

00:51:33.270 --> 00:51:35.819
We can see some of the partners

00:51:35.820 --> 00:51:37.439
who are involved in this, but I

00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:40.019
don't think we know ultimately

00:51:40.020 --> 00:51:42.029
who's driving it or where

00:51:42.030 --> 00:51:43.109
they're going.

00:51:43.110 --> 00:51:45.599
I think many of the notions that we

00:51:45.600 --> 00:51:47.429
picked up about our

00:51:47.430 --> 00:51:49.439
nations and who our friends

00:51:49.440 --> 00:51:51.449
are and who are enemies are

00:51:51.450 --> 00:51:53.969
are they're now

00:51:53.970 --> 00:51:55.799
more misleading than they are

00:51:55.800 --> 00:51:56.999
informative.

00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:59.759
In other words, I don't think

00:51:59.760 --> 00:52:00.599
the U.S.

00:52:00.600 --> 00:52:02.459
has an enemy called China.

00:52:02.460 --> 00:52:04.889
I think there are elements

00:52:04.890 --> 00:52:06.719
within the U.S.

00:52:06.720 --> 00:52:08.669
that are partnered within

00:52:08.670 --> 00:52:10.619
with elements within the Chinese

00:52:10.620 --> 00:52:12.329
Communist Party for practical

00:52:12.330 --> 00:52:13.289
reasons.

00:52:13.290 --> 00:52:14.870
And so, you know, the

00:52:16.320 --> 00:52:17.459
notion that these

00:52:18.660 --> 00:52:20.579
two parties are competing

00:52:20.580 --> 00:52:22.469
with each other just distracts us

00:52:22.470 --> 00:52:24.599
from what's actually taking place.

00:52:24.600 --> 00:52:25.600
But.

00:52:27.950 --> 00:52:29.009
Let's just put it this way.

00:52:29.010 --> 00:52:31.039
We have a large global

00:52:31.040 --> 00:52:32.629
population.

00:52:32.630 --> 00:52:34.760
Most people have

00:52:36.350 --> 00:52:38.239
no useful role

00:52:38.240 --> 00:52:39.769
through no fault of their own.

00:52:39.770 --> 00:52:42.379
They have not been given a

00:52:42.380 --> 00:52:44.269
an opportunity in life to

00:52:44.270 --> 00:52:47.029
find a useful way to contribute.

00:52:47.030 --> 00:52:48.349
And I wonder if

00:52:50.330 --> 00:52:52.159
the rent-seeking

00:52:52.160 --> 00:52:54.379
elites that have hoarded

00:52:54.380 --> 00:52:55.380
so much power are

00:52:57.270 --> 00:52:59.129
not unhooking our

00:52:59.130 --> 00:53:01.709
rights because effectively

00:53:01.710 --> 00:53:02.939
they're afraid of some

00:53:04.230 --> 00:53:06.839
global French Revolution

00:53:06.840 --> 00:53:08.939
moment as people realize

00:53:08.940 --> 00:53:11.579
that they had been betrayed and

00:53:11.580 --> 00:53:13.529
left without good options.

00:53:13.530 --> 00:53:14.819
Is that what we're seeing?

00:53:14.820 --> 00:53:16.440
Certainly feels like we're facing

00:53:17.970 --> 00:53:19.859
an end game where

00:53:19.860 --> 00:53:22.169
important properties

00:53:22.170 --> 00:53:23.549
that would once have been preserved

00:53:23.550 --> 00:53:25.559
by all parties because they might

00:53:25.560 --> 00:53:27.389
need them one day are now

00:53:27.390 --> 00:53:28.439
being dispensed with.

00:53:28.440 --> 00:53:29.440
And we're being

00:53:30.660 --> 00:53:32.579
you know, we're watching our

00:53:32.580 --> 00:53:34.019
governmental structures and every

00:53:34.020 --> 00:53:35.849
one of our institutions captured,

00:53:35.850 --> 00:53:37.979
hollowed out, turned into

00:53:37.980 --> 00:53:39.869
a paradoxical inversion of what it

00:53:39.870 --> 00:53:41.549
was designed to do.

00:53:41.550 --> 00:53:42.599
That's not an accident.

00:53:44.520 --> 00:53:46.079
Whether they you know, the thing

00:53:46.080 --> 00:53:48.719
that worries me most, actually,

00:53:48.720 --> 00:53:50.729
that whatever is driving this is

00:53:50.730 --> 00:53:53.219
not composed of diabolical

00:53:53.220 --> 00:53:55.169
geniuses who at least have some plan

00:53:55.170 --> 00:53:56.429
for the future, but it's being

00:53:56.430 --> 00:53:58.979
driven by people who actually

00:53:58.980 --> 00:54:01.109
do not know what

00:54:01.110 --> 00:54:03.449
kind of hell they are inviting.

00:54:03.450 --> 00:54:05.309
They are going to create a

00:54:05.310 --> 00:54:08.009
kind of chaos from which

00:54:08.010 --> 00:54:10.259
humanity may well not emerge.

00:54:10.260 --> 00:54:12.120
And I get the sense that

00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:14.440
unless they have some remarkable

00:54:16.630 --> 00:54:18.249
plan that is not obvious, that they

00:54:18.250 --> 00:54:20.409
are just simply drunk

00:54:20.410 --> 00:54:22.419
with power and putting

00:54:22.420 --> 00:54:24.369
everyone, including themselves, in

00:54:24.370 --> 00:54:26.439
tremendous jeopardy by taking

00:54:26.440 --> 00:54:28.119
apart the structures on which we

00:54:28.120 --> 00:54:29.120
depend.

00:54:30.820 --> 00:54:32.019
How do you see?

00:54:32.020 --> 00:54:33.849
One last question. How do you see, I

00:54:33.850 --> 00:54:36.009
mean, you're speaking in

00:54:36.010 --> 00:54:37.839
in grand terms that three years ago

00:54:37.840 --> 00:54:39.129
I might have laughed at.

00:54:39.130 --> 00:54:40.459
I'm not laughing at all.

00:54:40.460 --> 00:54:41.679
And I think you're absolutely right.

00:54:43.270 --> 00:54:45.609
But you're also choosing, as

00:54:45.610 --> 00:54:47.529
you know, a 50 ish man, year old

00:54:47.530 --> 00:54:49.449
man to say this stuff

00:54:49.450 --> 00:54:52.269
out loud and to pursue

00:54:52.270 --> 00:54:53.799
the truth as you find it and then to

00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:54.639
talk about it.

00:54:54.640 --> 00:54:56.259
So how do you, why did you decide to

00:54:56.260 --> 00:54:57.909
do that and how do you think that

00:54:57.910 --> 00:54:58.989
ends?

00:54:58.990 --> 00:55:00.759
Well, you know, we are all the

00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:02.709
products of whatever

00:55:02.710 --> 00:55:04.299
developmental environment produced

00:55:04.300 --> 00:55:06.129
us. And as

00:55:06.130 --> 00:55:08.320
I've said on multiple topics, where.

00:55:10.590 --> 00:55:12.659
My family has found itself in

00:55:12.660 --> 00:55:14.339
very uncomfortable and sometimes

00:55:14.340 --> 00:55:15.689
dangerous circumstances

00:55:16.740 --> 00:55:18.270
because we speak out.

00:55:19.750 --> 00:55:21.459
I don't think I had a choice.

00:55:21.460 --> 00:55:23.469
I just I, I

00:55:23.470 --> 00:55:25.839
literally cannot understand

00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:27.789
how I would sleep at night,

00:55:27.790 --> 00:55:29.559
how I would look at myself in the

00:55:29.560 --> 00:55:31.509
mirror if I didn't say

00:55:31.510 --> 00:55:33.280
what needed to be said and.

00:55:34.990 --> 00:55:35.990
You know, I

00:55:37.300 --> 00:55:40.239
heard a very good speech

00:55:40.240 --> 00:55:41.710
by Bobby Kennedy Jr.

00:55:43.840 --> 00:55:44.679
Though neither of us are

00:55:44.680 --> 00:55:46.509
libertarians. He was at the Liberty

00:55:46.510 --> 00:55:48.759
Conference in Memphis,

00:55:48.760 --> 00:55:50.349
and the last thing he said in that

00:55:50.350 --> 00:55:52.209
speech struck

00:55:52.210 --> 00:55:53.049
me to my core.

00:55:53.050 --> 00:55:54.050
Something.

00:55:55.740 --> 00:55:57.629
I saw often and said almost

00:55:57.630 --> 00:55:59.039
never.

00:55:59.040 --> 00:56:01.889
But there are fates

00:56:01.890 --> 00:56:04.169
far worse than death.

00:56:04.170 --> 00:56:05.170
And.

00:56:05.820 --> 00:56:08.159
I think, um,

00:56:08.160 --> 00:56:09.160
for my part.

00:56:09.980 --> 00:56:10.980
I have.

00:56:12.050 --> 00:56:14.659
I have lived an incredible

00:56:14.660 --> 00:56:15.859
life.

00:56:15.860 --> 00:56:16.860
I have, there's

00:56:18.110 --> 00:56:19.789
plenty I still want to do.

00:56:19.790 --> 00:56:21.739
And I am not eager

00:56:21.740 --> 00:56:23.179
to leave this planet any earlier

00:56:23.180 --> 00:56:24.049
than I have to.

00:56:24.050 --> 00:56:25.309
I have a marvelous family.

00:56:25.310 --> 00:56:27.169
I live in a wonderful place and I've

00:56:27.170 --> 00:56:29.449
got lots of things on

00:56:29.450 --> 00:56:30.659
a bucket list.

00:56:30.660 --> 00:56:32.029
I got lots of things on my bucket

00:56:32.030 --> 00:56:33.030
list. However.

00:56:34.410 --> 00:56:36.509
Humanity is depending

00:56:36.510 --> 00:56:38.399
on everybody

00:56:38.400 --> 00:56:40.469
who has a position from which to see

00:56:40.470 --> 00:56:42.149
what is taking place, to grapple

00:56:42.150 --> 00:56:44.519
with what it might mean to describe

00:56:44.520 --> 00:56:46.349
it so that the public understands

00:56:46.350 --> 00:56:48.299
where their interests are.

00:56:48.300 --> 00:56:50.399
It is depending on us to

00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:52.319
do what needs to be done if

00:56:52.320 --> 00:56:54.209
we're to have a chance of

00:56:54.210 --> 00:56:56.070
delivering a

00:56:57.090 --> 00:56:59.219
planet to our children

00:56:59.220 --> 00:57:01.139
and our grandchildren, that is

00:57:01.140 --> 00:57:02.129
worthy of them.

00:57:02.130 --> 00:57:04.409
If we're going to deliver a system

00:57:04.410 --> 00:57:06.599
that allows them to live

00:57:06.600 --> 00:57:08.429
meaningful, healthy

00:57:08.430 --> 00:57:10.169
lives, we have to speak up.

00:57:10.170 --> 00:57:11.170
And.

00:57:11.860 --> 00:57:12.860
I don't know.

00:57:15.510 --> 00:57:16.949
I don't know how to get people to do

00:57:16.950 --> 00:57:18.989
that. I'm very hesitant

00:57:18.990 --> 00:57:20.849
to urge others to put

00:57:20.850 --> 00:57:22.079
themselves or their families in

00:57:22.080 --> 00:57:23.369
danger, and I know that everybody's

00:57:23.370 --> 00:57:24.599
circumstances are different.

00:57:24.600 --> 00:57:26.069
Some people are struggling just

00:57:26.070 --> 00:57:27.659
simply to feed a family and keep a

00:57:27.660 --> 00:57:28.769
roof over their heads.

00:57:28.770 --> 00:57:30.659
Those people obviously have

00:57:30.660 --> 00:57:32.759
a great deal less liberty

00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:34.649
with respect to standing up and

00:57:34.650 --> 00:57:35.969
saying what needs to be said.

00:57:35.970 --> 00:57:38.969
But this is really

00:57:38.970 --> 00:57:41.039
it's what we call in game theory

00:57:41.040 --> 00:57:42.269
a collective action problem.

00:57:43.350 --> 00:57:46.049
Everybody responds to their personal

00:57:46.050 --> 00:57:46.889
well-being.

00:57:46.890 --> 00:57:48.029
If everybody says that's too

00:57:48.030 --> 00:57:50.009
dangerous to stand up,

00:57:50.010 --> 00:57:51.299
you know, I'm not suicidal.

00:57:51.300 --> 00:57:53.759
I can't do it.

00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:55.769
Then not enough people stand

00:57:55.770 --> 00:57:57.839
up to change the course of history.

00:57:57.840 --> 00:58:00.029
Whereas if people

00:58:00.030 --> 00:58:02.279
somehow put aside

00:58:02.280 --> 00:58:05.359
the obvious danger.

00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:06.859
Their ability to earn and maybe to

00:58:06.860 --> 00:58:08.509
their lives of saying what needs to

00:58:08.510 --> 00:58:09.469
be said.

00:58:09.470 --> 00:58:10.470
Then we greatly

00:58:13.230 --> 00:58:15.179
outnumber those

00:58:15.180 --> 00:58:16.709
we are pitted against.

00:58:16.710 --> 00:58:18.589
They are ferociously powerful.

00:58:18.590 --> 00:58:19.590
But.

00:58:20.150 --> 00:58:21.709
I would also point out this

00:58:21.710 --> 00:58:22.710
interesting

00:58:24.090 --> 00:58:25.229
error.

00:58:25.230 --> 00:58:26.699
So I call the force that were up

00:58:26.700 --> 00:58:27.689
against Goliath.

00:58:27.690 --> 00:58:29.179
Just so I.

00:58:29.180 --> 00:58:30.760
I remember what the battle is.

00:58:32.560 --> 00:58:35.199
Goliath made a terrible mistake and

00:58:35.200 --> 00:58:36.699
made it most egregiously during

00:58:36.700 --> 00:58:38.559
COVID, which is.

00:58:38.560 --> 00:58:40.539
It took all

00:58:40.540 --> 00:58:41.949
of the competent people.

00:58:43.120 --> 00:58:45.639
Took all of the courageous people,

00:58:45.640 --> 00:58:47.559
and it shoved

00:58:47.560 --> 00:58:49.809
them out of the institutions

00:58:49.810 --> 00:58:51.550
where they were hanging on.

00:58:53.690 --> 00:58:55.472
And it created in so doing The

00:58:56.940 --> 00:58:58.199
Dream Team.

00:58:58.200 --> 00:58:59.879
Created every player you could

00:58:59.880 --> 00:59:02.009
possibly want on your team to fight

00:59:02.010 --> 00:59:03.899
some historic battle against

00:59:03.900 --> 00:59:05.459
a terrible evil.

00:59:05.460 --> 00:59:07.379
All of those people are now

00:59:07.380 --> 00:59:09.269
at least somewhat awake.

00:59:09.270 --> 00:59:10.829
They've now been picked on by the

00:59:10.830 --> 00:59:11.969
same enemy.

00:59:11.970 --> 00:59:13.109
And yeah, all right, we're

00:59:13.110 --> 00:59:14.549
outgunned. It has a tremendous

00:59:14.550 --> 00:59:16.409
amount of power. But but we've got

00:59:16.410 --> 00:59:18.239
all of the people who know how

00:59:18.240 --> 00:59:19.319
to think.

00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:20.320
So.

00:59:21.020 --> 00:59:22.789
I hate to say it, or maybe I like to

00:59:22.790 --> 00:59:23.790
say it, but.

00:59:24.540 --> 00:59:25.889
I don't think it's a slam dunk, but

00:59:25.890 --> 00:59:26.890
I like our odds.

00:59:28.750 --> 00:59:29.949
I've never met a more fluent

00:59:29.950 --> 00:59:30.950
biologist, Bret Weinstein, an amazing

00:59:33.310 --> 00:59:34.269
conversation.

00:59:34.270 --> 00:59:35.239
Bless you. Thank you for that.

00:59:35.240 --> 00:59:36.240
Thank you.