srl295/node-resource-loading-2015-02-19.txt

## node-resource-loading-2015-02-19.txt
Node resources and loading discussion
===

Participants:

Bradley Meck
James Snell
Steve Atkin
TJ Fontaine
Steven R. Loomis [scribe]

——— URL: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/9174
bradley: need to be clear  rsrcs≠g11n.
 work on bundled apps. rsrc api biased towards node.
 node style is what es6 supports, what jquery is moving to.
 Don’t want to iron out the loading.
atkin: iron out formats, defer loading
tj: rsrcs are also template of markup, ..
tj: for node, a resource is any reusable artifact delivered with the module.
james: howe we load the r src will be similar.

srl: what’s a resource?
bradley: looking at npm modules in the wild. r/o file(system) with no metadata.  Can list, but
 no permissions/dates/etc.
tj: people are using fs.open, __dirname, etc. could be template, favicon, etc.  Regular fiels,
 only point is loading relative to module.
srl: ok, is everything locale specific?
tj: let the consume opt-in to how they organized data?
js: could tune this - have a bundle api, put the locales at the top
md: inheritance? override what i want to?
md: separate files would let you bundle only a subset
tj: leaning towards metadata that *could* be used for resources. COuld have a world where if
 metadata defines , otherwise rely on directory structure. npm could auto-generate bundle
  metadata - support both global bundle [big .json vs indiviudal files].
js?: COuld also imagine a module that is just a bundle.
md: metadata could be a list of locales?
bm: locale specific conventions will break what modules such as npm use where they read directory
 structure at runtime. .. metadata will not work for this convention, having to list things prior to running.
tj: [convention vs configuration?]
bm: g11n should be a well defined convention beyond what resources are.
srl: is g11n a subset of resources, or all resources are g11n switched?
tj: for node, probably the former [?]
tj: probably for node, a resource-load system (sync/async) which loads relative to the module.
  key will have to be in bundle.json and that can be found…  mechanism loading globalization relies on that.

srl:  [ as with Java, have all resources locale aware.. people learn to just put them in ‘bundle/root’ ]
md: agree
bm: cost is low, but some things will not be internationalized. - code, package.json
tj: in loader work, does bm’s work use the resource loader to load.?
bm: no, but npm ..
bm: two levels of wildcards.. wildcard locale, and “no locale” (relative to module itself).
md: say you are in ‘en-US’ , if nothing is there, fall back to ‘root’
bm: but if you have a ‘no fallback’ policy, won’t work out.
md: say you had fr-CA and fr-FR - may fall back from fr-CA to fr-FR or just to fr..
srl:  better “und” than “root”

md: could take a parameter ?
srl: could make the policy settable… (ala Java.) example a Canadian bank wants to prefer fr-CA, en-CA
md?:
srl: policy could be dumb by default…  probably settable on each API call. Maybe use ecma402 terminology

js: definitely helpful, will update my writeup


next: 12th of march
bm: wil send out to James
bm: will write up a draft of the loader/control api.~ suspect the g11n aware loading will be a subset
  of the generic loader.
srl: consider Java resource bundle control and ecma402 loading control
srl: will post these notes as a gist

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This transcript is a natural product. Minor variations in accuracy and orthography are to be expected, though corrections are welcome.
	Node resources and loading discussion
	===

	Participants:

	Bradley Meck
	James Snell
	Steve Atkin
	TJ Fontaine
	Steven R. Loomis [scribe]

	——— URL: https://github.com/joyent/node/issues/9174
	bradley: need to be clear rsrcs≠g11n.
	work on bundled apps. rsrc api biased towards node.
	node style is what es6 supports, what jquery is moving to.
	Don’t want to iron out the loading.
	atkin: iron out formats, defer loading
	tj: rsrcs are also template of markup, ..
	tj: for node, a resource is any reusable artifact delivered with the module.
	james: howe we load the r src will be similar.

	srl: what’s a resource?
	bradley: looking at npm modules in the wild. r/o file(system) with no metadata. Can list, but
	no permissions/dates/etc.
	tj: people are using fs.open, __dirname, etc. could be template, favicon, etc. Regular fiels,
	only point is loading relative to module.
	srl: ok, is everything locale specific?
	tj: let the consume opt-in to how they organized data?
	js: could tune this - have a bundle api, put the locales at the top
	md: inheritance? override what i want to?
	md: separate files would let you bundle only a subset
	tj: leaning towards metadata that could be used for resources. COuld have a world where if
	metadata defines , otherwise rely on directory structure. npm could auto-generate bundle
	metadata - support both global bundle [big .json vs indiviudal files].
	js?: COuld also imagine a module that is just a bundle.
	md: metadata could be a list of locales?
	bm: locale specific conventions will break what modules such as npm use where they read directory
	structure at runtime. .. metadata will not work for this convention, having to list things prior to running.
	tj: [convention vs configuration?]
	bm: g11n should be a well defined convention beyond what resources are.
	srl: is g11n a subset of resources, or all resources are g11n switched?
	tj: for node, probably the former [?]
	tj: probably for node, a resource-load system (sync/async) which loads relative to the module.
	key will have to be in bundle.json and that can be found… mechanism loading globalization relies on that.

	srl: [ as with Java, have all resources locale aware.. people learn to just put them in ‘bundle/root’ ]
	md: agree
	bm: cost is low, but some things will not be internationalized. - code, package.json
	tj: in loader work, does bm’s work use the resource loader to load.?
	bm: no, but npm ..
	bm: two levels of wildcards.. wildcard locale, and “no locale” (relative to module itself).
	md: say you are in ‘en-US’ , if nothing is there, fall back to ‘root’
	bm: but if you have a ‘no fallback’ policy, won’t work out.
	md: say you had fr-CA and fr-FR - may fall back from fr-CA to fr-FR or just to fr..
	srl: better “und” than “root”

	md: could take a parameter ?
	srl: could make the policy settable… (ala Java.) example a Canadian bank wants to prefer fr-CA, en-CA
	md?:
	srl: policy could be dumb by default… probably settable on each API call. Maybe use ecma402 terminology

	js: definitely helpful, will update my writeup


	next: 12th of march
	bm: wil send out to James
	bm: will write up a draft of the loader/control api.~ suspect the g11n aware loading will be a subset
	of the generic loader.
	srl: consider Java resource bundle control and ecma402 loading control
	srl: will post these notes as a gist

	--
	This transcript is a natural product. Minor variations in accuracy and orthography are to be expected, though corrections are welcome.