2017-01-22

bsmc.log

[08:23:00] <Swag> Is md_5 here?
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[08:40:39] <T0R> Hey, can you check your mail?
[08:43:00] <T0R> I just wrote to you, because i have one problem, thanks.
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[09:04:16] <md_5> T0R: your email is a joke right?
[09:04:36] <T0R> No, its not.
[09:05:17] <md_5> What exactly did you expect would happen to your spigotmc account when you became a staff member on another site dedicated to breaking the rules and ripping off others work
[09:06:53] <T0R> I dont know, nothing. But now i know what i doing.. All what i want to say is in that email, i dont know what to say more.
[09:07:26] <T0R> I just.. I want stop with leaking, xeRicker motivated me.
[09:09:55] <md_5> I think you just changed your attitude when you got caught, and your email suggests you still want to be a staff member on that site. Appeal denied, come back and try again in a month.
[09:12:18] <T0R> I dont know what is wrong with "staff member" (resource manager), if i dont leak resource it doesnt matter i think.
[09:13:04] <md_5> You willfully wish to be a staff member on a site dedicated to making money by illegally distributing the work of others?
[09:15:26] <T0R> Making money?
[09:15:39] <T0R> I not make any dollar.
[09:16:24] <T0R> And the owner of BSMC, WifiSpy, would like to speak with you about something. Contact him on discord, at WifiSpy #8796, or on his skype. Wishlistben (The Real Wishlistben)
[09:17:03] <md_5> I'm sure he is a top bloke and the epitome of all that is righteous in the world
[09:18:00] <md_5> Now since you don't seem to understand what is wrong with you being involved with that site, make that 2 months
[09:19:49] <T0R>  WifiSpy want to talk to you about is unrelated to my appeal.
[09:20:14] <T0R> And i will step down.
[09:20:29] <T0R> I will close my account on BSMC
[09:21:26] <T0R> I will step down from BSMC, and appeal again in 2 months
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[09:22:46] <WifiSpy> So, Hi.
[09:22:50] <WifiSpy> Im sure you know who I am.
[09:23:06] <WifiSpy> First off, I'm not here because of Tor's appeal. He was stupid enough to get caught, idgaf about it.
[09:23:22] <WifiSpy> I would just like to speak with you, md_5, about a few things.
[09:23:49] <WifiSpy> If possible, contact me on discord, (WifiSpy #8796). If that is not possible, I will DM you here on this IRC. 
[09:24:06] <LeftLane> wow so formal
[09:25:09] <WifiSpy> As far as t0r goes, he is no longer of use to BSMC, and thus will be stepping down. What he does after, I do not care about. 
[09:25:27] <LeftLane> T0R, you gonna take that he called you stupid D:
[09:26:06] <md_5> I have absolutely no desire to speak to you because I think you are a scumbag who knows what he is doing is wrong and illegal, but if you wish to state your case or justify your actions or whatever helps you sleep at night, you are welcome to use this channel as your soapbox. I see nothing wrong with having a record we both know is publiv
[09:26:13] <md_5> Public
[09:26:58] <WifiSpy> Alright.
[09:27:03] <WifiSpy> Thank You. 
[09:29:32] <WifiSpy> First off, I believe that minecraft shouldn't be profited off of. Its a creative game. All the creativity should be given for free, not just to the people who pay. I know some people disagree "people wouldn't make cool stuff if it wasn't profitable", but I think differently. I believe that is all creativity was shared freely,  there would be so much more cool stuff out there. 
[09:29:56] <WifiSpy> *that if 
[09:32:14] <WifiSpy> I'm not in this for the money, i'm in it for the people. I'm 16-19 now, but years ago, my family did not have much money. It would make me so mad when I would see people selling things for minecraft online. I just wanted to be creative, but that creativity was blocked behind money. 
[09:32:47] <WifiSpy> So i'm running BSMC for the people like me who were young, creative, but poor. 
[09:33:09] <WifiSpy> We make VERY LITTLE, and all donations go towards keeping the site up. (Which they barely do). 
[09:33:26] <md_5> Plugins are fundamentally different from anything made in Minecraft, they are standalone pieces of code which may or may not be used within Minecraft. The established laws in pretty much every country in the world disagree you on that, anyone who produces an original work is generally allowed to assert their copyright how they see fit, and this can include licensing fees. \
[09:35:08] <WifiSpy> I understand that I cannot stop people from selling plugins at obscene prices, or from selling them at all. But atleast this way, I can give back to the little guy. I do not care about it being "illegal
[09:35:18] <WifiSpy> ".
[09:35:58] <md_5> You say that "It would make me so mad when I would see people selling things for minecraft online". How exactly is this different from selling literally any other original work?
[09:36:12] <md_5> Does it make you mad when people sell drawings that they made? eg: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b0/af/67/b0af67bf51cfd8fd476de13c0c23a974.png
[09:36:33] <md_5> Does it make you mad when Disney sells the latest Star Wars movie?
[09:37:07] <WifiSpy> Because minecraft is a place where freely sharing your creativity thrives. Minecraft was built opun people sharing things freely. That is how it should be for everything related to minecraft. 
[09:37:54] <md_5> But a canvas is a place where freely sharing your creativity thrives.
[09:38:12] <md_5> Canvases were made for people to have an outlet to put their work on
[09:38:26] <md_5> Does this mean you are opposed to selling any sort of painting made on a canvas?
[09:39:37] <md_5> You say in your argument: "I just wanted to be creative, but that creativity was blocked behind money. ". However you are not being creative. Other people are being creative. Other people are putting hundreds of hours into writing their code. You are simply stealing it. That is not creativity in my mind.
[09:40:09] <md_5> If you want to be creative, the tools are there for you. I make Spigot. I give it away for free. You have exactly the same ability to be creative as those whose work you are ripping off.
[09:40:27] <WifiSpy> I'd rather not compare minecraft to a canvas. A more suitable comparison would be to compare it to parts of a painting. People all donate parts of their creativity, in order to create a whole painting. But if some people decide to charge money for their parts, the painting as a whole looks bad for some people.
[09:41:37] <WifiSpy> In my argument, I was referring to when I used to run servers, and was not affiliated with BSMC.
[09:42:24] <md_5> What would you rather I compare it to? Star Wars is a creative work, that doesn't mean it's ok to pirate it.
[09:43:34] <WifiSpy> Didn'
[09:43:47] <LeftLane> if i sell a painting do i need permission from the person that sold me the canvas?
[09:43:52] <WifiSpy> *Didn't I just say? I would rather compare it to parts of a painting. "People all donate parts of their creativity, in order to create a whole painting. But if some people decide to charge money for their parts, the painting as a whole looks bad for some people."
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[09:44:23] <md_5> Except that your analogy makes no sense
[09:44:33] <md_5> No one is selling parts of anything
[09:44:38] <md_5> They are selling their entire original work
[09:46:07] <WifiSpy> The plugin community SHOULDN'T be a place where people sell their work. It should be a place where all people contribute their ideas, and code, for free. Like the people donating parts of their creativity to make a painting. 
[09:46:51] <md_5> The film community SHOULDN'T be a place where people sell their work. It should be a place where all people contribute their ideas, and acting and special effects and writing and advertising, for free. Like the people donating parts of their creativity to make a painting
[09:47:21] <md_5> Also I don't know where you're from, but paintings are generally sold, regardless of if they are a collaboration or not :)
[09:47:46] <WifiSpy> I'd rather have hundreds of people, contributing small pieces, towards something great for free, than one person selling something ok for alot. 
[09:48:17] <md_5> Thats a very noble ideology you have there. It's also not how the world works.
[09:48:56] <WifiSpy> I am trying to make that ideology come true to the best of my ability. 
[09:49:00] <md_5> There are one hundred and seventy two countries that have ratified the berne convention and disagree with you.
[09:49:24] <md_5> Copyright is a very basic human thing
[09:49:37] <md_5> You dont get exclusions from it just because you think it shouldnt be that way
[09:49:44] <WifiSpy> Like many human things, it is also stupid. 
[09:50:12] <WifiSpy> On the contrary, it seems that I do.
[09:50:52] <md_5> You're not violating any laws?
[09:51:04] <md_5> I don't think I'm wrong in saying the rules still apply to you
[09:51:17] <WifiSpy> The rules haven't applied to me yet. 
[09:51:34] <md_5> yeah I murdered 5 people on Friday
[09:51:40] <md_5> the rules haven't applied to me yet though
[09:52:20] <WifiSpy> More like stealing a few things from a store, but the items you stole are still there in the store, when the owner checks later that day.
[09:53:13] <md_5> I take that to mean you support piracy of any intangible object
[09:53:20] <md_5> Since after you steal it, it is still there
[09:53:40] <md_5> If not, could you please explain how your argument is different and doesn't allow me to pirate the latest star wars
[09:55:00] <WifiSpy> Since the richer, are only getting richer, and the poor, are only getting poorer. I believe that all people should get to enjoy the same luxuries as one another. The rich can afford to buy the latest star wars, so they should. However, the poor can't, so they should be allowed to pirate it.
[09:55:48] <md_5> well you see, I can't exactly afford a Ferrari, so is it ok if I steal it?
[09:56:03] <md_5> Because I mean the rich guy with the Ferrari is just getting richer, so there shouldn't be an issue with me just taking it
[09:56:44] <WifiSpy> I believe it is morally right, as long as your actions do not harm others. A poor person, who wouldn't buy star wars anyway, can pirate it because they wouldn't buy it anyways.
[09:57:16] <WifiSpy> With your example of the ferrari, it would be morally wrong, as the other man worked hard for the ferrari. It would cause him lots of time and trouble to track it down, or collect on the insurance. 
[09:57:39] <md_5> But Disney worked hard on star wars
[09:57:53] <md_5> It took them years and over a quarter billion dollars
[09:58:05] <WifiSpy> They would not be losing anything though. You would not have bought the movie anyways. 
[09:58:48] <md_5> Are you so young that you don't understand the concept of saving up for something?
[09:59:49] <WifiSpy> There are millions, even billions of people who struggle to save up enough to buy food. They don't have the money to pay for films, much less spigot plugins.
[09:59:51] <md_5> You cannot argue that no one has lost money to piracy of any description because "you would not have bought it in the first place"
[10:00:03] <WifiSpy> That is not what I am trying to argue.
[10:00:13] <WifiSpy> I am trying to argue that it is morally ok to pirate, if you cannot afford it.
[10:00:20] <WifiSpy> And would not have bought it anyways.
[10:00:25] <md_5> There are around 30,000 available Spigot plugins
[10:00:32] <md_5> around 1,000 of them are paid
[10:00:45] <WifiSpy> That is 1000 too many.
[10:01:00] <md_5> There are plenty alternatives out there that dont end in stealing
[10:01:16] <WifiSpy> Is it stealing though? 
[10:01:23] <WifiSpy> I don't believe it is stealing.
[10:01:46] <md_5> Yes, one hundred and seventy two countries agree that it is stealing
[10:02:04] <WifiSpy> Well I disagree. 
[10:02:21] <WifiSpy> Thus, I will defy those countries, and the law, to go after what I believe is morally right.
[10:02:38] <md_5> I believe that it is morally right that every man should have a ferrari
[10:02:51] <md_5> I will now proceed to acquire a ferrari
[10:02:51] <WifiSpy> In a perfect world, yes.
[10:03:44] <WifiSpy> In a perfect world, wealth is shared, not hoarded. In a perfect world, everyone enjoys the same luxuries. I am trying to provide a small portion of that perfect world. 
[10:04:27] <md_5> So you would describe yourself as a communist?
[10:05:06] <WifiSpy> Communism is far from perfect. However, its overall goal was a good thing. 
[10:06:52] <md_5> Understandable given Czechoslovakia was a communist country for a long time
[10:07:23] <WifiSpy> OhYeah55, and T0R are from Czechoslovakia. I am not.
[10:07:29] <md_5> But hey, whaddya know, communism doesn't really work
[10:07:43] <WifiSpy> I am from the United States of America. 
[10:08:02] <WifiSpy> (By the way, I don't like Trump). However, I wouldn't be surprised if you do. 
[10:08:45] <WifiSpy> I also encourage people who want to share freely, and contribute to the perfect world, to do so on BSMC. It is not only a place of leaking, but a place of sharing. 
[10:08:55] <md_5> shame on me for bringing politics into this
[10:09:06] <md_5> I think I got what youre saying now though
[10:09:09] <md_5> theft=sharing
[10:09:14] <md_5> he can just share is ferrari with me
[10:09:35] <WifiSpy> In a perfect world, where people loved each other, yes.
[10:10:02] <md_5> You're either naive or delusional, I'm not quite sure which at this point
[10:10:26] <WifiSpy> A word of advice my daddy once told me md_5, "You can't bullshit a bullshitter". 
[10:11:19] <WifiSpy> Oh! And I'll see you at minecon next year ;) 
[10:11:38] <md_5> I guess that money from your site is coming in good then
[10:12:25] <WifiSpy> Nah, i'm paying for that out of my own pocket. My website makes roughly $30 a month in profit, which is used to cover site costs. 
[10:12:49] <md_5> MINECON will be in Europe
[10:12:56] <md_5> its quite expensive to go from the US to europe
[10:13:04] <md_5> Do you have another job?
[10:13:28] <WifiSpy> Lets just say that I'm important outside of the minecraft community. 
[10:13:42] <md_5> you're 16-19 and a "big deal"
[10:13:45] <md_5> nice
[10:14:09] <md_5> Just curious, your job wouldnt in any way be related to people producing original work of any kind
[10:15:01] <WifiSpy> I'm not talking anymore about my personal life in regards to my privacy. 
[10:16:00] <md_5> so we can just speculate in saying that your job is one you wouldnt have if people didnt pay for things
[10:16:12] <md_5> (ie: literally every job in the world)
[10:16:41] <WifiSpy> Well that depends.
[10:17:43] <md_5> Or are you a "big deal" in the bulletproof hosting community?
[10:17:54] <WifiSpy> I do not own BlackHost if that is what you are thinking.
[10:18:12] <WifiSpy> It is just a coincidental name, of a host who sponsors us. 
[10:18:27] <md_5> You're right, I wouldn't want to mistake you for an entrepreneur
[10:18:34] <md_5> Stealing dedicated servers is a bit harder than stealing software
[10:18:52] <WifiSpy> I'll give you props for that comment, as it made me laugh.
[10:19:22] <md_5> it would be ok to steal them though
[10:19:31] <md_5> because you'd only be using them to spread the creativity of Minecraft
[10:19:37] <md_5> which is something everyone should have access to
[10:19:49] <WifiSpy> As I said before, it depends if it is morally right. 
[10:19:59] <md_5> Is it morally right?
[10:20:16] <WifiSpy> Who will stealing the servers harm?
[10:20:37] <md_5> Who will stealing the plugins harm?
[10:20:38] <md_5> The developers
[10:20:50] <md_5> People like you who may not be in the most fortunate situation
[10:20:58] <md_5> People who have gone and taught themselves how to code
[10:21:13] <md_5> People who are helping to support their family by selling their work
[10:21:52] <WifiSpy> If the best way to support their family is by selling minecraft plugins, they need to go get a job. We all know those developers are using the money to buy games, and other crap.
[10:21:57] <md_5> (This isn't made up either, recently I had someone from Greece thank me for that opportunity because it is helping his family there because their economy aint so hot right now)
[10:22:22] <WifiSpy> And those are the people whom I blacklist.
[10:23:22] <md_5> So you are the judge of whether their work is worthy of payment or not?
[10:23:44] <WifiSpy> Indeed I am. 
[10:23:48] <md_5> I mean you gotta be ethical whilst breaking the law, right
[10:23:56] <WifiSpy> Exactly!
[10:24:16] <md_5> I only murder bad people
[10:24:28] <WifiSpy> Also, it's 1-6AM for me, so my brain isn't fully functional, as I have not slept. 
[10:24:39] <WifiSpy> Also, that is morally right in my opinion, Ever seen dexter?
[10:24:46] <md_5> Why have you not slept?
[10:24:56] <md_5> If you're as young as you say you are, shouldnt you be in school
[10:25:20] <WifiSpy> I like to stay up late. 
[10:25:27] <md_5> you shouldnt do that
[10:25:28] <WifiSpy> Also, i'm using a VPN. I'm not stupid. 
[10:25:30] <md_5> it's bad for your health
[10:25:49] <md_5> you need to be alert in class so you can learn and get a good job
[10:25:59] <md_5> Also VPN's don't change your browser's timezone :)
[10:26:06] <WifiSpy> I will say, that I am not in school currently. 
[10:26:12] <WifiSpy> Also, touche, touche. 
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[10:26:37] <md_5> you should be in school if you want a good job
[10:26:46] <WifiSpy> I already have a great job.
[10:26:58] <WifiSpy> One that probably makes more than you. 
[10:27:18] <md_5> you go girl!
[10:27:28] <md_5> shouldnt you give me some of your money then though
[10:27:32] <md_5> because I mean youre rich
[10:27:37] <md_5> and just getting richer compared to me
[10:27:37] <WifiSpy> Now that is just down right elementary. 
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[10:28:36] <WifiSpy> I donate to the American Red Cross, The ALS Association, and many other charities every month. 
[10:28:53] <WifiSpy> I also have given you plenty of my money.
[10:29:01] <WifiSpy> Atleast $50 in donations towards spigot. 
[10:29:37] <md_5> after just saying how much money you have you used $50 and plenty in the same sentence
[10:30:04] <md_5> if you were older maybe you would know that $50 aint nothing in the real world
[10:30:41] <WifiSpy> I didn't give you money because I wanted to. I gave you money because I wanted to access the VIP forum on my 5 accounts. 
[10:31:40] <WifiSpy> I used the word plenty, in regards to you not needing much. The same way I say it to my friend who always asks me for money "I have already given you PLENTY of money george, stop asking". 
[10:32:36] <WifiSpy> Don't bother looking for my 5 accounts, I use a different VM, IP, and browser on each one. 
[10:33:54] <md_5> Do you honestly think I care who you are?
[10:34:02] <md_5> I mean aside from a criminal
[10:34:16] <WifiSpy> Now, Criminal is a harsh term. 
[10:34:33] <WifiSpy> The maximum penalty I could be charged with is a few felonies, and or a fine. 
[10:34:44] <md_5> Is it though? You just admitted to willful copyright infringement because you believe it's morally right.
[10:34:52] <Sweepyoface> if you do something that's against the law you're a criminal
[10:35:04] <WifiSpy> Ah, but am I actually WifiSpy? The world will never know. 
[10:35:29] <md_5> things have a way of catching up with you
[10:35:41] <md_5> you really do need to learn that
[10:36:09] <md_5> btw if a "few felonies" isn't criminal, what is?
[10:36:50] <WifiSpy> A felony is not a crime. Thus, I am not a criminal. 
[10:37:05] <md_5> felony
[10:37:05] <md_5> ˈfɛləni/
[10:37:06] <md_5> noun
[10:37:06] <md_5> noun: felony; plural noun: felonies
[10:37:06] <md_5>     a crime regarded in the US and many other judicial systems as more serious than a misdemeanour.
[10:37:08] <md_5> ---
[10:37:15] <md_5> Please can you consult a dictionary before speaking
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[10:37:39] <WifiSpy> Copyright infringement can be a felony or a misdemeanor.
[10:38:01] <md_5> I'm not versed in US law, but I'd say repeated and willful copyright infringement is a felony
[10:38:05] <WifiSpy> Usually it is considered a felony if the damages are over $250,000.
[10:38:24] <WifiSpy> I don't believe that BSMC has caused that much damage.
[10:38:40] <WifiSpy> Thus I would be convicted of a misdemeanor. Thus, I am not a criminal.
[10:39:23] <md_5> "Penalties for copyright infringement include civil and criminal penalties. In general, anyone found liable for civil copyright infringement may be ordered to pay either actual damages or "statutory" damages affixed at not less than $750 and not more than $30,000 per work infringed. For "willful" infringement, a court may award up to $150,000 per work infringed. Willful copyright infringement can also result in criminal penalties, including imprisonment of up to 
[10:39:23] <md_5> five years and fines of up to $250,000 per offense."
[10:39:31] <WifiSpy> That is a for a felony. 
[10:39:45] <WifiSpy> And also the maximum sentence.
[10:40:16] <WifiSpy> The way BSMC is set up, my lawyers would help me lost the charges, or settle for a very small fee and no prison time. 
[10:40:21] <WifiSpy> *lose
[10:40:22] <md_5> your lawyers
[10:40:22] <md_5> lol
[10:40:30] <md_5> want me to let you in on a secret
[10:40:46] <WifiSpy> Do you think I would run a site like this without hiring lawyers? That would be a bad idea.
[10:40:52] <md_5> I copy pasted that from a letter that our actual lawyers sent a few years ago to a kid exactly like you
[10:41:10] <WifiSpy> No you didn't. You copy pasted it from google. 
[10:41:18] <WifiSpy> I was looking at the same page you copy pasted it from. 
[10:41:35] <WifiSpy> Nice Try though. 
[10:42:57] <md_5> it may be on google as well, but I'm not lying when I say our lawyers sent a letter containing those exact words
[10:43:14] <md_5> <+WifiSpy> Nah, i'm paying for that out of my own pocket. My website makes roughly $30 a month in profit, which is used to cover site costs. 
[10:43:31] <WifiSpy> By site costs, I am referring to hosting, and purchasing plugins.
[10:43:39] <md_5> well I guess when you're spending several hundred an hour on lawyers eh
[10:43:48] <WifiSpy> I have my owner lawyers, for my actual job, and I have consulted them on things regarding BSMC.
[10:44:01] <WifiSpy> *my own
[10:44:27] <md_5> ooh your mysterious actual job that you have as a 16-19 old whilst moonlighting as the batman of Minecraft creativity
[10:44:46] <WifiSpy> ^I will give you props for that comment as well, as it made me laugh.
[10:44:55] <md_5> If you wanna send me your lawyer's contact details we can sort this out with them
[10:45:13] <WifiSpy> No thanks, especially since I am not violating any of your copyright <3
[10:45:58] <md_5> Maybe not my copyright, but copyrights which we are authorised to represent :)
[10:46:24] <md_5> If you do end up coming to Minecon, do lemme know well in advance, because I would *love* to be able to serve you in person
[10:46:57] <WifiSpy> As far as my lawyers go, they are just consultants, there to keep me from getting into too much trouble. I have been told that if anything would be brought to court, I would most likely win, or I would face very little charges. 
[10:47:51] <md_5> so let me get this straight
[10:47:55] <md_5> you went to your lawyers
[10:48:03] <md_5> and said "Hey Im doing this illegal thing"
[10:48:10] <WifiSpy> I will be at Minecon, and I will talk to you, but you will not know who I am. It will be interesting to interact with you when you are not hostile. 
[10:48:25] <md_5> and they went "yeah sure thats illegal, but keep on doing it, if you get caught it wont matter too much"
[10:49:17] <WifiSpy> They advised me on how to run BSMC whilst violating little to no copyright. (Or atleast leaving little to no evidence behind). They did advice me against running BSMC, but I pay them to advise me on legal matters, and that they did.
[10:49:29] <md_5> oooh
[10:49:29] <WifiSpy> *advise
[10:49:38] <md_5> your lawyers advised you on how to bury evidence as well
[10:49:46] <md_5> These are some top quality lawyers you have there
[10:49:58] <WifiSpy> Not how to bury evidence, but how to not create it.
[10:50:12] <WifiSpy> How to run BSMC without violating any laws directly. 
[10:50:56] <md_5> But you just told me you were knowingly violating laws
[10:51:08] <WifiSpy> Yes, but am I actually WifiSpy? 
[10:51:18] <md_5> Also lawyers don't tend to be accessories to their client's crimes
[10:51:20] <md_5> lmao
[10:51:38] <md_5> yeah I been fooled
[10:51:49] <md_5> you lose the argument so you pretend it never happened
[10:52:20] <WifiSpy> This chat would not be valid in a court of law, as there is no proof that the person in this chat is actually me.
[10:53:13] <WifiSpy> Bottom line is, you think things are right one way, I believe differently. Right and Wrong is a matter of opinion. 
[10:53:24] <md_5> lol
[10:53:46] <md_5> so if I murder 5 people
[10:53:53] <md_5> I can just tell the police their opiinion is wrong
[10:53:56] <md_5> and what I did was right
[10:54:19] <WifiSpy> We have already gone down this road Md_5. What I am doing is NOT murdering 5 people. 
[10:54:25] <WifiSpy> It is much much different. 
[10:54:48] <WifiSpy> It is a necessary evil. 
[10:54:49] <md_5> so the law is different because you say it is different
[10:54:57] <WifiSpy> It is a necessary evil.
[10:55:24] <md_5> so is murder yeah?
[10:55:34] <WifiSpy> Sometimes, it is. 
[10:55:43] <WifiSpy> Again, referencing dexter. 
[10:55:55] <md_5> in for a penny, in for a pound. I'm quite partial to a bit of genocide whilst I'm at it
[10:56:00] <md_5> Another necessary evil in the world
[10:56:23] <WifiSpy> Depends on the type of genocide, and the circumstances. 
[10:56:44] <WifiSpy> If its the genocide of all the child rapists, be my guest. Go ahead. 
[10:57:06] <md_5> What about software pirates?
[10:57:18] <WifiSpy> Another necessary evil. 
[10:57:25] <md_5> killing them is?
[10:57:26] <md_5> oh my
[10:57:38] <WifiSpy> No No No. Md_5. Now you are just twisting my words. 
[10:57:57] <WifiSpy> Software Pirates existing is a necessary evil. 
[10:58:11] <md_5> Twisting your words? You mean exactly like what the opposing lawyer would do to you in court?
[10:58:32] <WifiSpy> Your good md_5, i'll give you that.
[10:58:38] <md_5> *You're
[10:59:10] <WifiSpy> It's 3AM, give me a break. 
[10:59:32] <md_5> 3am? not 1-6am?
[10:59:43] <md_5> oh nevermind we established that before
[10:59:53] <WifiSpy> You already know the time, so I didn't want to bother. 
[11:01:18] <md_5> It's been so long I've already forgotten why software piracy was a necessary evil
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[11:02:05] <WifiSpy> Steal from the rich, give to the poor. (Except if the rich still had their money when they woke up). 
[11:02:17] <md_5> You're a regular robin hood
[11:02:22] <md_5> do the kids have to steal their own PC?
[11:02:27] <md_5> Or could they afford that already
[11:02:32] <WifiSpy> I stole my first PC. 
[11:02:42] <WifiSpy> Via amazon refunds. 
[11:02:44] <WifiSpy> When I was 13. 
[11:02:52] <md_5> oh
[11:02:56] <md_5> so youre not just a software theif
[11:03:00] <md_5> your an actual thief
[11:03:05] <md_5> s/your/you're
[11:03:06] <CafeBabe> Correction, <md_5> you're an actual thief
[11:03:18] <WifiSpy> Haha.
[11:03:21] <md_5> who caused tangible damage
[11:04:02] <WifiSpy> Amazon doesn't pay enough in taxes, they should be giving back more.
[11:04:11] <md_5> <+WifiSpy>  With your example of the pc, it would be morally wrong, as amazon worked hard for the pc. It would cause them lots of time and trouble to track it down, or collect on the insurance. 
[11:04:33] <WifiSpy> A. Amazon is so rich they don't give a crap. 
[11:05:25] <WifiSpy> B. It cause little to no damage to amazon, and by stealing the PC, I have earned money that has helped hundreds of people. 
[11:05:34] <WifiSpy> * caused
[11:05:57] <md_5> Is this the defense you would use in court?
[11:06:02] <md_5> Do you honestly think it would work?
[11:06:08] <md_5> Did your lawyers help you plan it?
[11:06:19] <WifiSpy> Nobody has ever been sued for amazon refunding. Not to mention I was a minor. 
[11:06:28] <WifiSpy> (sued or brought to court).
[11:07:20] <md_5> ok, so crimes are ok if 1) No one else (to your knowledge) has been caught before and b) You commit them whilst you're under age
[11:07:38] <md_5> I also dont read that as "amazon refunding", I read that as "theft"
[11:08:12] <md_5> The means are irrelevant, it's no different than if you walked into best buy or whatever you have there and walked out with a PC under your arm
[11:08:36] <WifiSpy> With that computer I made alot of money, which I used to by my mother a home. I used that money to feed kids in starving countries. I used that money to start a homeless shelter in my city. I used that money to do good. I am a good person md_5. All because of one computer. I do not regret stealing that computer, as it helped so many people.
[11:09:12] <WifiSpy> You may think otherwise, but I know in my heart that I have done good. So I sleep well at night. I hope you do as well.
[11:09:13] <md_5> I take what I said back
[11:09:19] <md_5> You're not a robin hood
[11:09:20] <WifiSpy> Goodbye, Md_5. It was nice speaking with you. 
[11:09:25] <md_5> You're a jan val jean
[11:09:32] <md_5> s/jan/jean
[11:09:32] <CafeBabe> Correction, <md_5> You're a jean val jean
[11:10:05] <md_5> awe
[11:10:07] <md_5> so early
[11:10:14] <md_5> but we were just getting started
[11:10:24] <md_5> I was hoping you'd confess to murder or something next
[11:12:10] <md_5> WifiSpy please don't leave me so soon </3
[11:13:07] <WifiSpy> https://www.spigotmc.org/threads/i-am-the-owner-of-bsmc-here-is-my-conversation-with-md_5.211338/
[11:13:15] <WifiSpy> Approve it.
[11:13:39] <md_5> nah
[11:13:51] <md_5> I'll post the complete version when you leave
[11:13:55] <WifiSpy> The public should be allowed to read this conversation.
[11:13:57] <WifiSpy> Goodbye.
[11:14:14] <md_5> thats why we had it here mate
[11:14:28] * md_5 looks at 152 other people in the channel
[11:16:19] <md_5> btw you're really delusional if you think this conversation improves your public image at all
[11:16:38] <md_5> You've confessed to multiple crimes, expressed your intention to commit more
[11:16:54] <md_5> And in all cases what you've done has impacted literally everyone on the site
[11:17:30] <md_5> Whether by stealing their plugins, or stealing from their employer (yes we have people that work at Amazon), or simply just forcing prices up for every other consumer from your theft
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[11:21:55] <md_5> hi LeafyIsHere, why the nick change?
[11:22:25] *** md_5 sets mode: +v LeafyIsHere
[11:22:29] <md_5> oh sorry, you can speak now
[11:22:30] <LeafyIsHere> Wanted to confirm a theory.
[11:22:56] <md_5> Care to enlighten us?
[11:23:24] <md_5> You really should've started off with a dramatic entrance gif though
[11:23:42] <md_5> Something like this: https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ErB7Hn7KS_w/Vthgp04Ib9I/AAAAAAAAElk/jUB6iZuLy70/s1600/abf1isj.gif
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[11:27:44] <md_5> wow, that was nearly two hours. How time flies when you're having fun
[11:58:35] *** md_5 sets mode: -m 
[11:58:42] <LeftLane> https://youtu.be/_fjEViOF4JE
[11:58:42] <CafeBabe> (LeftLane) Compilation of Kool-Aid Man Breaking Through Walls and saying "Oh Yeah!" PART 1 - length 54s - 764 likes, 32 dislikes (96.0%) - 278,694 views - RealityVirtual on 2015.07.09
[11:59:06] <Spottedlef> aye that was the most entertaining thing I've seen in a long time
[11:59:12] <Spottedlef> thanks md5
[12:01:27] <md_5> Spottedlef wait for the sequel
[12:01:33] <md_5> all I'm saying :)

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