11/13/2020
Ruby
how fucking amazing, a permanent ban on fabricord
IItemstack
how
Ruby
god maybe everyone does fucking hate me
apparently
EternalFrost
🤔 I'm not seeing your ban message in any channel, so it must have been done in a moderator only one
burner8
it must have been, i haven't seen it either
Ruby
yup, it was temporary then they changed it to permanent.
gdude was the one who did the ban, and then he blocked me.
EternalFrost
The blocking part seems excessive
gdude
I could explain, but I don't believe it's necessarily appropriate to publically trash someone's reputation
Ruby
I'd love an explanation, I haven't received any form of information.
Forkk
it's hard for anyone here to judge if it was reasonable unless you post whatever got you banned
Ruby
It's vague as hell, I barely know what I was banned for.
Forkk
and it's hard to give any benefit of the doubt given that I know you were muted at least once prior to this
gdude
Frankly I have no interest in discussing this in public when the user in question is threatening suicide over an infraction
Ruby
Can you not be a dick for one minute please?
Xero [UTC+04, Fri/Sat] Sufficient explanation on the ban reason has been provided, Ruby knows what she was banned for
burner8
i was there during the whole situation, i think i know the reasoning and hell i'm not a moderator.
Ruby
The reasoning is complete bullshit, I didn't harassing anyone.
tehc said in DMS I didn't harass him.
gdude
Good for tehc.
Ruby
And so the harassment claim is proven wrong.
gdude
I have no interest in taking this bait, and I'd be surprised if any other staff member did
Ruby
You can't claim harassment on behalf of someone else, that's absurd.
burner8
i am interested how "harassing in DMs" comes up if the person who received them doesn't believe it was harassment
Ruby
Taking this bait? I just wanted a fucking fair a civil discussion, but that changed when you blocked me.
EternalFrost
Why are all the fabricord mods here anyways
i509VCB
I'm just here for 🍿 in #politics
Ruby
They are allowed to be here, there's no problem with that.
burner8
i do not wish to take sides or "shots fired" or anything like that, i'm just wondering how it came up.
AppleTheGolden
(Ironically,) I'm really here to provide context and prevent drama
Ruby
ugh I'm so annoyed
Xero [UTC+04, Fri/Sat] I'm here to see concerns people have about the fabric discord yeah
Ruby
I fail to understand why gdude is refusing to have a civil discussion around this, I was friendly at the start, but now I'm just fucking annoyed.
It's pathetic I had to go to a drama discord to receive any semblance of a discussion from a mod.
Forkk
Well I'm not sure this is the appropriate place to appeal your ban from some other discord
Reo_ar_
Yeah, we'll be open in DMs, we don't want to reveal potentially sensitive info here either
well not me, I'm out for now
Ruby
I tried talking to you guys, nobody is productive at all, every mod tells me to go to someone else.
Forkk
Well maybe it's worth discussing having some official "appeal" process
Ruby
It's so childish for gdude to just block me.
Forkk
that's his decision to make if he doesn't want to deal with you
Reo_ar_
we do have the appeal process in review rn
AppleTheGolden
The problem is that it has to be outside discord
And... we have no presence outside discord
Forkk
could make a separate discord for it maybe
AppleTheGolden
I was just thinking of that but it seems like a janky solution
gdude
We have a few ideas
Forkk
or just have someone write you an essay and put it on gist or something lol
gdude
That one was written off
AppleTheGolden
not again
Forkk
lmao
gdude
Haha
Janrupf
Ok wtf happened lol
Ruby
In short, I got permanently banned from fabricord.
Janrupf
not again
I meant this
Ruby
ah lmao
burner8
that was the cause of drama day™️
Janrupf
🔥
Ruby
I'm just annoyed I wasn't given a fair discussion or chance to appeal.
Reo_ar_
I am unwilling to discuss the situation here as it would lead to more mess. But sure I'll hear you out, here or in DMs
Forkk
Well those are the rules. If there's no appeal process yet, then that's how it goes
Ruby
I rather discuss things openly.
there isn't anything to hide, so why does it matter.
Reo_ar_
Fine, just so this finishes already, I need consent that your messages are ok to be sent in public.
Ruby
Yeah of course
Reo_ar_
Forkk
Maybe this discussion should go in #wtfabric-discussion instead of here, since it is fabric-related
Reo_ar_
This is all
Ruby
that image wasn't underage
Reo_ar_
that's it, there's nothing else to say here, it's against Discord TOS, no justifications
Ruby
and it was extremely censored
I could literally find the image and show you.
Forkk
the discord policy is "if it looks underage, it's underage" whether you like it or not
Ruby
it doesn't even
Reo_ar_
It was deemed underage by all the moderators who saw it
Ruby
okay that's fair, but I did delete it after he requested
I don't know what to say
IItemstack
finally, some real drama
gdude
Actually, I have a message here stating you refused to delete it
But I think sending borderline porn to a minor is enough
Ruby
I said I don't need to, then I did delete it afterwards.
tehc didn't sound like a minor in vc
and he asked for the picture
gdude
So that's why you said it was OK for a 19 year old to hit on a 14 year old directly to him, in public, prior to this?
Ruby
I was making fun of the Canadian law on consent.
gdude
I think it should be fairly fucking obvious why I blocked you
And frankly nothing you say will convince me otherwise
Ruby
I didn't think I needed to express I was being sarcastic.
burner8
ruby, come on, seriously. sarcasm or not, it doesn't matter.
gdude
It's just a joke bro
Ruby
I didn't know he was actually 14
gdude
Bullshit
Now, I am done with this conversation
The rest of you can do with this information what you will
Ruby
right, you think I intentionally send porn to minors?
Forkk
I didn't know he was actually 14
in the future, probably best to assume everyone in this community is a minor
many are
IItemstack
most of them are
gdude
Pretty much everyone knows the guy is a minor, to be clear
Anyone that's active anyway
Forkk
it's fairly easy to tell
Ruby
I suppose that's my fault for misjudgment.
burner8
ruby that's BS, sorry. you said "don't worry, it's legal in canada." right after tehc, presumably quoting you said "i wanna hear tehcs sexy 14 year old voice".
Ruby
it was scarcasm, I was just in vc with him, he sounded atleast 17
gdude
I thought the one where he called someone a paedophile for saying "I love you" was fairly telling myself
Ruby
I'm annoyed you assume malice, I was being extremely scarcastic making fun of the stupid consent laws in Canada.
IItemstack
that's enough to say <18
Ruby
I guess it's my fault for not expressing that
TelepathicGrunt
people: drama
me: outposts
gdude
Protection of minors is something that there is no reasonable nuance to
We run a minecraft community
It is our job to protect minors because they are absolutely everywhere
Forkk
Yeah, I'm not sure I'd ever send porn to anyone, but definitely not someone from this community, because there's like a 75% chance they're a minor
Ruby
clearly I never intended for this, I apologize for being so stupid and careless, but I had no intention of malice.
gdude
There is no room for lenience and there never will be
This is the kind of thing that would get you put on a sex offenders' list
So I think it's fair that this ban holds
IItemstack
no reason to send it period in a sfw discord
Forkk
that too
Ruby
it wasn't in the discord, he asked for the picture, and I dmed him it.
this is such a fucking mess
and gdude made fucking joke of me being sucidial, thanks for the help, it's not like I'm already dealing with shit, I was just having fun in discord, I didn't think about stupid things like this.
Frankly I have no interest in discussing this in public when the user in question is threatening suicide over an infraction
Forkk
That doesn't seem like a joke to me
gdude
Yeah no, I didn't think it was a joke
But it was still an inappropriate way to appeal a ban, don't you think?
Forkk
If someone said something to me about suicide, I would never think it was a joke
Ruby
Blocking someone is an inappropriate way of moderation, don't you think?
Forkk
I personally wouldn't do that, but if that person is also banned from the only servers you moderate, I don't see why it's inappropriate
Ruby
I'm done with this shit, goodbye.
YuRaNnNzZZ
:concern~3:
Ruby
Fabric was a fucking home for me, clearly everyone wanted me gone.
so I'll just leave like everyone wanted
fuck you all
TelepathicGrunt
it's more like they just heavily enforce a rule against sending nsfw to minors. not that they held a grudge against you
Ruby
I thought I had friends, I thought I was making friends with everyone, but clearly not
Forkk
Look, I'm just gonna be blunt here. I think your best chance to reverse your ban is just let this go until there is some official appeals process and then do that. The complaining and claiming that people just want you gone is not going to make any of the moderators want to actually hear you out. If you act mature about it, maybe admit what you did was wrong, and apologize, then you stand a good chance of making progress.
This isn't about people disliking you. It's about you breaking a rule that there is little tolerance for breaking.
Janrupf
ok, take a deep breath and make yourself clear that no one has general objections against you Ruby. You violated a rule, which was one of the most important rules. It is ok to make mistakes, but you also have to accept that you made them and apologize
Forkk
Act like an adult and apologize, move on, and don't do it again.
Ruby
It doesn't really matter anymore, I'm done trying to work things out, it never ends well anyways
You'll all probably be happier with me gone
Goodbye
Forkk
You'll all probably be happier with me gone
Please stop thinking like this
It's pretty clear there isn't anything personal about this ban
Janrupf
No one has something against you personally. We don't even know you, we can't judge on you. It is just that you made a mistake which ended up bad. But it is not too late to apologize and make things good again
Forkk
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Some time to just think about things would probably be good