Why is grails so much slower than rails? (OK, it's the probably JVM startup time and Java toolset) Then why is it so exciting?

grails_app_time.txt

$ time grails create-app qotd
Welcome to Grails 1.3.4 - http://grails.org/
Licensed under Apache Standard License 2.0
Grails home is set to: /usr/local/Cellar/grails/1.3.4

Base Directory: /Users/tim/work/ssi/consulting/learn
Resolving dependencies...
Dependencies resolved in 1143ms.
Running script /usr/local/Cellar/grails/1.3.4/scripts/CreateApp_.groovy
Environment set to development
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Created Eclipse project files.
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Installed plugin tomcat-1.3.4 to location /Users/tim/.grails/1.3.4/projects/qotd/plugins/tomcat-1.3.4. ...
Executing tomcat-1.3.4 plugin post-install script ...
Plugin tomcat-1.3.4 installed
Plugin provides the following new scripts:
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grails tomcat
Created Grails Application at /Users/tim/work/ssi/consulting/learn/qotd

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grails_controller_time.txt

$ time grails create-controller quote
Welcome to Grails 1.3.4 - http://grails.org/
Licensed under Apache Standard License 2.0
Grails home is set to: /usr/local/Cellar/grails/1.3.4

Base Directory: /Users/tim/work/ssi/consulting/learn/qotd
Resolving dependencies...
Dependencies resolved in 1312ms.
Running script /usr/local/Cellar/grails/1.3.4/scripts/CreateController.groovy
Environment set to development
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  [groovyc] Compiling 7 source files to /Users/tim/work/ssi/consulting/learn/qotd/target/classes
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Created Controller for Quote
    [mkdir] Created dir: /Users/tim/work/ssi/consulting/learn/qotd/grails-app/views/quote
  [groovyc] Compiling 1 source file to /Users/tim/work/ssi/consulting/learn/qotd/target/classes
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Created Tests for Quote

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rails_app_time.txt

$ time rails new rquote
      create  
      create  README
      create  Rakefile
      create  config.ru
      create  .gitignore
      create  Gemfile
      create  app
      create  app/controllers/application_controller.rb
      create  app/helpers/application_helper.rb
      create  app/views/layouts/application.html.erb
      create  app/models
      create  config
      create  config/routes.rb
      create  config/application.rb
      create  config/environment.rb
      create  config/environments
      create  config/environments/development.rb
      create  config/environments/production.rb
      create  config/environments/test.rb
      create  config/initializers
      create  config/initializers/backtrace_silencers.rb
      create  config/initializers/inflections.rb
      create  config/initializers/mime_types.rb
      create  config/initializers/secret_token.rb
      create  config/initializers/session_store.rb
      create  config/locales
      create  config/locales/en.yml
      create  config/boot.rb
      create  config/database.yml
      create  db
      create  db/seeds.rb
      create  doc
      create  doc/README_FOR_APP
      create  lib
      create  lib/tasks
      create  lib/tasks/.gitkeep
      create  log
      create  log/server.log
      create  log/production.log
      create  log/development.log
      create  log/test.log
      create  public
      create  public/404.html
      create  public/422.html
      create  public/500.html
      create  public/favicon.ico
      create  public/index.html
      create  public/robots.txt
      create  public/images
      create  public/images/rails.png
      create  public/stylesheets
      create  public/stylesheets/.gitkeep
      create  public/javascripts
      create  public/javascripts/application.js
      create  public/javascripts/controls.js
      create  public/javascripts/dragdrop.js
      create  public/javascripts/effects.js
      create  public/javascripts/prototype.js
      create  public/javascripts/rails.js
      create  script
      create  script/rails
      create  test
      create  test/performance/browsing_test.rb
      create  test/test_helper.rb
      create  test/fixtures
      create  test/functional
      create  test/integration
      create  test/unit
      create  tmp
      create  tmp/sessions
      create  tmp/sockets
      create  tmp/cache
      create  tmp/pids
      create  vendor/plugins
      create  vendor/plugins/.gitkeep

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rails_controller_time.txt

$ time rails g controller quote
      create  app/controllers/quote_controller.rb
      invoke  erb
      create    app/views/quote
      invoke  test_unit
      create    test/functional/quote_controller_test.rb
      invoke  helper
      create    app/helpers/quote_helper.rb
      invoke    test_unit
      create      test/unit/helpers/quote_helper_test.rb

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