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| 4:38:15 PM KatteKrab: | |
| 4:38:22 PM KatteKrab: webchick: G'day! | |
| 4:38:23 PM webchick: We start in 20 mins or so yeah? | |
| 4:38:25 PM nickvidal: The photo where he appears with the Australian hat wasn't gimped, was it? | |
| 4:38:26 PM webchick: hi. | |
| 4:38:31 PM KatteKrab: webchick: yup. | |
| 4:38:38 PM KatteKrab: LOL nickvidal - no that's real | |
| 4:38:43 PM KatteKrab: but that was from last year I think | |
| 4:38:49 PM nickvidal: Hello webchick | |
| You are now known as webchick|f00d (4:39:00 PM) | |
| rj_ [4a6d7d99@gateway/web/freenode/ip.74.109.125.153] entered the room. (4:46:51 PM) | |
| rimian [~rimian@CPE-124-184-168-142.lns17.cht.bigpond.net.au] entered the room. (4:51:32 PM) | |
| 4:55:06 PM tsvenson: Will audio only be available for phone-in? | |
| 4:55:43 PM Harley: tsvenson: http://groups.drupal.org/node/206703 | |
| 4:56:44 PM tsvenson: Harley: Yes, but it doesn't say if audio will be available without phone-in. | |
| 4:57:29 PM Harley: tsvenson: gotya.... | |
| 4:58:01 PM budda: tsvenson: judging by http://groups.drupal.org/node/206703#comment-681723 i'd say no. unless you contact ndjo beforehand | |
| stephvhosny [~stephvhos@79-76-246-5.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] entered the room. (4:58:44 PM) | |
| 4:58:55 PM tsvenson: budda: Will check with Nedjo, thanks. | |
| nedjo [~chatzilla@184.66.170.150] entered the room. (4:59:16 PM) | |
| 4:59:24 PM budda: tsvenson: speak of the devil.... | |
| 4:59:50 PM KatteKrab: tsvenson - steve is streaming live somewhere.... | |
| toddtoml_ [~toddtomli@50-39-251-23.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] entered the room. (4:59:55 PM) | |
| stevepurkiss [~stevepurk@188-220-18-38.zone11.bethere.co.uk] entered the room. (5:00:03 PM) | |
| 5:00:23 PM tsvenson: *my vote for a audio stream!* | |
| 5:00:28 PM tsvenson: | |
| 5:00:33 PM stevepurkiss: yo | |
| 5:00:34 PM budda: morning stevepurkiss | |
| 5:00:42 PM stevepurkiss: morgan budda | |
| 5:00:43 PM KatteKrab: yay! | |
| budda is now known as morgan_b (5:00:51 PM) | |
| 5:01:00 PM stevepurkiss: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/da-confidential | |
| 5:01:15 PM KatteKrab: hey nedjo | |
| 5:01:23 PM KatteKrab: nedjo will you be moderating the call? | |
| 5:01:38 PM nedjo: yep, dialing now | |
| 5:01:39 PM tsvenson: stevepurkiss: Awesome, thanks... | |
| 5:01:46 PM morgan_b: stevepurkiss: flash of your head and then a redbull advert! | |
| morgan_b is now known as budda (5:01:49 PM) | |
| 5:02:53 PM tsvenson: stevepurkiss: Can only hear you in the stream... | |
| You are now known as webchick (5:02:54 PM) | |
| 5:03:23 PM KatteKrab: Should we start with a round of general introductions? | |
| nedjo left the room (quit: Client Quit). (5:03:24 PM) | |
| 5:04:12 PM rcross: the access code isn't working for me | |
| 5:04:36 PM KatteKrab: rcross - try 02 80725760 | |
| 5:04:47 PM tsvenson: KatteKrab: Can you ask if stevepurkiss can tweak his settings so we can hear everyone please. | |
| You are now known as webchick|scribe (5:04:51 PM) | |
| 5:04:57 PM KatteKrab: tsvenson: ok! | |
| 5:05:00 PM KatteKrab: HAND! | |
| 5:05:16 PM KatteKrab: thanks angie | |
| 5:05:22 PM KatteKrab: thanks webchick|scribe | |
| 5:05:23 PM stevepurkiss: hmm… mic is doing stream and skype so perhaps conflict? | |
| 5:05:27 PM webchick|scribe: But I didn't hear the quesrion. | |
| 5:05:36 PM KatteKrab: stevepurkiss: they can only hear you... | |
| 5:05:46 PM webchick|scribe: Question from Harley Hyperglide? on D.o | |
| 5:05:54 PM stevepurkiss: KatteKrab: who's "they" ? | |
| 5:06:17 PM KatteKrab: stevepurkiss: "They" in this case is tsvenson | |
| 5:06:21 PM webchick|scribe: Regarding emerging markets in asia. Wants to know if any of the candidates have an idea on how to handle outreach to those markets to solve the talent shortage | |
| 5:06:31 PM webchick|scribe: Donna responds | |
| nedjo [~chatzilla@184.66.170.150] entered the room. (5:06:44 PM) | |
| 5:07:00 PM webchick|scribe: (dealing with microphone stuff( | |
| 5:07:04 PM Harley: nedjo: Thanks for fielding that questions first.. Appreciate it! | |
| 5:07:13 PM webchick|scribe: Donna: I think emerging markets is realy importnat for Drupal's growth | |
| 5:07:15 PM budda: isn't there a talent shortage everywhere ? | |
| 5:07:20 PM webchick|scribe: skills shoratge stuff, everyone is hitting against that | |
| 5:07:26 PM webchick|scribe: important for the DA to focus on | |
| 5:07:30 PM webchick|scribe: but we're going to bump into some issues | |
| 5:07:46 PM rcross: *hand* | |
| skyred [~skyred@116.233.128.154] entered the room. (5:07:52 PM) | |
| 5:07:52 PM webchick|scribe: we're going to need to address tension between commercial interst in training and broad-based need for people to learn Drupal | |
| 5:07:57 PM webchick|scribe: response from (??? Sorry ) | |
| 5:08:05 PM nedjo: stephanie | |
| 5:08:11 PM webchick|scribe: I totally didn't catch that. | |
| 5:08:19 PM webchick|scribe: But basically said she agrees | |
| 5:08:23 PM webchick|scribe: Rcross is next | |
| 5:08:24 PM KatteKrab: rcross you're up! | |
| 5:08:27 PM nickvidal: * nick hand | |
| 5:08:37 PM nedjo: rcross: pls go ahead | |
| 5:08:47 PM rcross: people can't hear me | |
| 5:08:51 PM webchick|scribe: ??? talking from Brazil (Nick?) | |
| 5:08:58 PM webchick|scribe: Donna is right. We're also having this issue in Brazil | |
| 5:09:01 PM KatteKrab: rcross - nope couldn't hear you | |
| 5:09:02 PM webchick|scribe: and all of Latin America | |
| 5:09:05 PM webchick|scribe: I think it's important to have a DrupalCon | |
| 5:09:10 PM webchick|scribe: it promotes more DrupalCamps all around | |
| 5:09:14 PM nedjo: rcross: pls type in irc and I will relay by voice. | |
| 5:09:15 PM rcross: will try to call back | |
| 5:09:18 PM webchick|scribe: it has a "bottle-up" effect | |
| 5:09:24 PM webchick|scribe: Australia has DDU | |
| 5:09:29 PM webchick|scribe: Drupal Summit Latino also growing a lot | |
| 5:09:38 PM stevepurkiss: *raises hand* | |
| 5:09:46 PM webchick|scribe: These regional summits are interesting, but a DrupalCon could help prompte more Drupal events | |
| 5:09:46 PM rcross: i wanted to agree with Donna - but highlight that one thing we forget is that not everyone speaks english | |
| 5:09:47 PM webchick|scribe: this is my hope | |
| 5:09:50 PM KatteKrab: yeah - the growing camps are great! | |
| 5:10:01 PM KatteKrab: rcross - good point. | |
| 5:10:04 PM webchick|scribe: Next is Steve Purkiss | |
| 5:10:10 PM webchick|scribe: Tend to agree with having more events | |
| 5:10:16 PM webchick|scribe: that's exactly what we're doing this year in UK | |
| 5:10:19 PM webchick|scribe: having a few events | |
| 5:10:21 PM webchick|scribe: but going further | |
| 5:10:27 PM webchick|scribe: trying to pick up unemployed people | |
| 5:10:35 PM KatteKrab: oh nice! courses for unemplyed ppl and career changers... | |
| 5:10:37 PM webchick|scribe: finding it harder to work with people who are freelancers | |
| 5:10:57 PM webchick|scribe: great having events, need to do that, but also need to give people job and train them up on the job. | |
| 5:10:58 PM webchick|scribe: Stephane: | |
| 5:11:01 PM webchick|scribe: I agree with Steve | |
| 5:11:14 PM webchick|scribe: It's hard to engage these people since they're not necessarily already involved | |
| 5:11:37 PM rcross: at the next DDU, we are trying to focus on "the hidden" - bringing people who are not already part of the community into these events | |
| 5:11:40 PM tsvenson: Question: I would like to know from each one if they have any key issue/topic they plan to focus on if elected. | |
| 5:12:10 PM webchick|scribe: Very difficult people who are not already engaged | |
| 5:12:12 PM KatteKrab: difficult when ppl aren't already engaged | |
| 5:12:17 PM webchick|scribe: Oh THANK YOU | |
| 5:12:22 PM KatteKrab: I can hear her well | |
| 5:12:31 PM KatteKrab: but I missed it | |
| 5:12:39 PM webchick|scribe: Now I hear fuzzy. | |
| 5:12:46 PM nickvidal: me too | |
| 5:12:52 PM webchick|scribe: I think she was saying people who aren't already engaged are hard to get them into events | |
| 5:12:59 PM KatteKrab: webchick|scribe: yes | |
| rimian left the room. (5:13:16 PM) | |
| 5:13:32 PM stephvhosny: Yes, sorry - especially those not engaged and also women | |
| 5:13:34 PM webchick|scribe: Nedjo repeats rcross's points in IRC | |
| 5:13:42 PM Harley: Thank you all for the responses and comments. | |
| 5:13:43 PM KatteKrab: thanks stephvhosny | |
| 5:14:04 PM webchick|scribe: Points out that not everyone speaks english | |
| 5:14:09 PM rcross: can people hear me now? | |
| 5:14:12 PM webchick|scribe: Nedjo is asking people to speak up on the phone. | |
| 5:14:28 PM webchick|scribe: Now, round of introductions | |
| 5:14:41 PM webchick|scribe: Give people an idea of who you are and what you're interested in bringing to the DA | |
| 5:14:47 PM webchick|scribe: Keep to a minute or two | |
| 5:14:54 PM nickvidal: hand | |
| 5:14:54 PM webchick|scribe: Candidates please raise hands in IRC | |
| 5:14:58 PM toddtoml_: *raises hand* | |
| 5:14:59 PM webchick|scribe: And pass on to the next candidate | |
| 5:15:00 PM stephvhosny: hand up | |
| 5:15:00 PM KatteKrab: Hand - Donna Benjamin | |
| 5:15:03 PM skyred: hand | |
| 5:15:03 PM rj_: hand | |
| 5:15:04 PM stevepurkiss: *raises hand* | |
| 5:15:06 PM budda: stevepurkiss: i can almost hear the audio from your headphones | |
| 5:15:06 PM webchick|scribe: Nick to begin with | |
| 5:15:18 PM webchick|scribe: For everyone else, please prepare questions to ask either by voice or IRC | |
| 5:15:24 PM stevepurkiss: budda: that's cos I gotta £300 mic | |
| 5:15:29 PM webchick|scribe: once all candidates have introduced themselves, we'll move onto open questions | |
| skwashd [~quassel@drupal.org/user/116305/view] entered the room. (5:15:35 PM) | |
| 5:15:37 PM budda: stevepurkiss: £300 - cripes. | |
| 5:15:40 PM webchick|scribe: Try to ask questions of all candidates in general | |
| 5:15:45 PM webchick|scribe: will discuss other questions as follow0ups | |
| 5:15:47 PM webchick|scribe: NIck: | |
| 5:15:48 PM webchick|scribe: Thank you | |
| 5:15:55 PM webchick|scribe: My name is Nick, from Brazil | |
| 5:15:57 PM rcross: nedjo: can you check that i'm not muted or something? | |
| 5:15:59 PM webchick|scribe: Mostly involved in Drupal Latin commnunity | |
| 5:16:06 PM webchick|scribe: Helped organize Drupal SUmmit Latino, like a mini DrupalCon | |
| 5:16:13 PM rcross: is there a limit to the number of callers maybe? | |
| 5:16:17 PM webchick|scribe: Trying to organize events to bring lots of people together from different countries | |
| 5:16:23 PM webchick|scribe: We had Drupal Summit in Peru | |
| 5:16:25 PM nedjo: rcross: not sure how to check... | |
| 5:16:27 PM webchick|scribe: over 60 countries represented | |
| 5:16:35 PM webchick|scribe: Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, etc. | |
| 5:16:36 PM KatteKrab: wow! so cool | |
| 5:16:46 PM webchick|scribe: Really interesting all of this effort in Drupal Latin Commnunity getting together. | |
| 5:16:55 PM webchick|scribe: I want to push this forward. Not just latin community but other parts of the world | |
| 5:16:55 PM rcross: nedjo: i've called back twice and it seems people still can't hear me | |
| 5:16:59 PM webchick|scribe: Asia, Australia, Africa | |
| dcmouyard [~Adium@pool-108-56-201-228.washdc.fios.verizon.net] entered the room. (5:17:00 PM) | |
| 5:17:05 PM webchick|scribe: Something else that we've launched recently is a Drupal magazine | |
| 5:17:12 PM webchick|scribe: wanted to bring new people who didnt know anything about Drupal | |
| 5:17:18 PM webchick|scribe: publish magazine fully sponsored by companies | |
| 5:17:24 PM webchick|scribe: 5,000 copies of 1st issue | |
| 5:17:29 PM webchick|scribe: were able to distribute all over Latin America | |
| 5:17:35 PM nedjo: nickvidal: thx, a few more seconds then we'll move on to next candidate | |
| 5:17:36 PM webchick|scribe: We got a grnt from the DA for 3,000 additional copies | |
| 5:17:45 PM webchick|scribe: Talked a lot about the Drupal commnunity | |
| 5:17:50 PM webchick|scribe: And how people can engage themselves | |
| 5:17:55 PM webchick|scribe: this is what I want to bring forth to the Drupal Association | |
| 5:17:57 PM webchick|scribe: more ideas on this end | |
| 5:18:14 PM webchick|scribe: Nedjo handing of to.... | |
| 5:18:16 PM webchick|scribe: Todd Tomnlinson! | |
| 5:18:20 PM KatteKrab: toddtoml_: is up! | |
| 5:18:24 PM webchick|scribe: I'm here in Portland Oregon, home of Durupal Association | |
| 5:18:28 PM webchick|scribe: right around corner from the office | |
| 5:18:37 PM webchick|scribe: Author of PDD and ?? Drupal 7 | |
| 5:18:51 PM webchick|scribe: So I'm an author and a shop owner | |
| 5:18:54 PM webchick|scribe: both public and private sector | |
| 5:19:05 PM webchick|scribe: I'd like to bring focus of evangeliszing Drupal in the enterprise at Corporate level | |
| 5:19:16 PM webchick|scribe: In Oracle I spent a bunch of time walking around with senior people | |
| 5:19:16 PM KatteKrab: Hand order - nickvidal: toddtoml_ KatteKrab stephvhosny skyred rj_ stevepurkiss | |
| 5:19:30 PM webchick|scribe: That's one aspec tI bring to table is commercial experience w/ large sw companies | |
| 5:19:37 PM webchick|scribe: i've also sat on board with many private/public companies | |
| 5:19:39 PM budda: stevepurkiss: nice druplicon ball | |
| 5:19:50 PM webchick|scribe: bring experience that way as well, to help foster growth within community and the board | |
| 5:19:53 PM nickvidal: @webchick: sorry for my accent: webchick|scribe> over 60 countries represented => should be 16, not 60! | |
| 5:19:55 PM webchick|scribe: Nedjo: steph | |
| 5:19:59 PM webchick|scribe: nickvidal: thanks! | |
| 5:20:07 PM nickvidal: thank you | |
| 5:20:07 PM webchick|scribe: Stephanie | |
| 5:20:15 PM webchick|scribe: I'm working now at business development libraty at Drupal agency | |
| 5:20:22 PM webchick|scribe: involved in development, markeitng, fundraising | |
| 5:20:27 PM KatteKrab: nedjo: you missed me! | |
| 5:20:29 PM webchick|scribe: hope to bring those skills to this role | |
| 5:20:31 PM webchick|scribe: not in a technical role | |
| 5:20:34 PM KatteKrab: s'ok - I;ll go at the end. | |
| 5:20:36 PM webchick|scribe: want to fill in those gaps | |
| 5:20:50 PM webchick|scribe: between coding and additional drupal developers and working with corporate companies interested in open source | |
| 5:20:58 PM webchick|scribe: finding a lot in the UK that government agencies are adopting open source systems | |
| 5:21:01 PM webchick|scribe: great time to be involved in supporitng that | |
| 5:21:07 PM webchick|scribe: learning institutions | |
| 5:21:12 PM webchick|scribe: and the workforce | |
| 5:21:28 PM nedjo: KatteKrab: you're up next (in my IRC list--each IRC hand list is probably different) | |
| 5:21:30 PM webchick|scribe: worked for trying to provide alternate curricuum? for women to try and help them | |
| 5:21:36 PM KatteKrab: nedjo: ok | |
| 5:21:47 PM webchick|scribe: help them go to DrpalCon London and help them learn about the community at large | |
| 5:21:56 PM webchick|scribe: Don't sound ery enthusastic at 1:30 in the morning | |
| 5:21:59 PM webchick|scribe: I'm incredibly enthusiastic | |
| 5:22:02 PM webchick|scribe: Thank you | |
| 5:22:14 PM webchick|scribe: Passing to… Donna | |
| 5:22:22 PM webchick|scribe: I'm kattekrab on drupal.org and irc | |
| 5:22:25 PM webchick|scribe: i'm in melbourne australia | |
| 5:22:30 PM webchick|scribe: run my own business cretive contingencies | |
| 5:22:33 PM webchick|scribe: usung drupal about 5 years | |
| 5:23:07 PM webchick|scribe: i'm really passionate about open source | |
| 5:23:15 PM webchick|scribe: fact that it enabeles people to do things not otherwise able to do | |
| 5:23:23 PM webchick|scribe: in terms of drupal, drupal association, want to be a voice for the 'small voices' | |
| 5:23:32 PM webchick|scribe: small drupal shops, amaetuers, hobbyists, non-profits | |
| 5:23:39 PM webchick|scribe: I think we sometimes get caught up in financial opportunities | |
| 5:23:45 PM webchick|scribe: but lose sight of the fact that open source is important | |
| 5:23:52 PM webchick|scribe: along with nick, want to bring a more global perspective | |
| 5:24:00 PM webchick|scribe: there are drupal people all over the world | |
| 5:24:09 PM webchick|scribe: and like stephanie mentioned, there are also women all over the world | |
| 5:24:13 PM webchick|scribe: how do we get them involved in drupal | |
| 5:24:16 PM webchick|scribe: next | |
| lh left the room (quit: Quit: lh). (5:24:17 PM) | |
| 5:24:19 PM nickvidal: | |
| 5:24:21 PM stephvhosny: great thanks | |
| 5:24:27 PM toddtoml_: yes | |
| 5:24:31 PM toddtoml_: we can hear you | |
| 5:24:34 PM webchick|scribe: Jingsheng Wang | |
| 5:24:39 PM KatteKrab: Yay China! | |
| 5:24:44 PM webchick|scribe: I run a Drupal and aAdnroid shop in Shanghai for a year | |
| chx [~chx@drupal.org/user/9446/view] entered the room. (5:24:51 PM) | |
| 5:24:56 PM webchick|scribe: Coming to the board I want to do a few things to help the board | |
| 5:25:04 PM webchick|scribe: Want to help the Asian chineese/drupal community | |
| 5:25:08 PM webchick|scribe: there are a few issues with the current community | |
| 5:25:19 PM webchick|scribe: open source, esp. drupal not emphszied | |
| 5:25:24 PM webchick|scribe: other parts of world use drupal.org, groups.drupal.org | |
| 5:25:39 PM webchick|scribe: but because those sites are not chinese-friendly, we use different platforms, different social networks, etc. to communicate | |
| 5:25:51 PM nedjo: status: candidates are currently introducing selves. Following that, we will have questions, with hands in IRC or, for people not in IRC, voice. | |
| 5:25:52 PM webchick|scribe: I want to help bring more chinese to drupal.org (?) | |
| 5:25:56 PM webchick|scribe: also want to spread drupal here | |
| 5:26:00 PM webchick|scribe: only a few small shops using Drupal.org | |
| Crell [~crell@c-24-13-85-162.hsd1.il.comcast.net] entered the room. (5:26:09 PM) | |
| 5:26:12 PM webchick|scribe: 2nd thing I want to help with is prompte Drupal in china and asia | |
| 5:26:16 PM webchick|scribe: 3rd thing is... | |
| 5:26:18 PM webchick|scribe: (loud noise) | |
| 5:26:25 PM webchick|scribe: DrupalCon Asia | |
| 5:26:33 PM Crell: Who's talking? | |
| 5:26:35 PM webchick|scribe: The discussion was started in DrupalCon SF 2010 | |
| 5:26:42 PM webchick|scribe: Crell: skyred | |
| 5:26:42 PM KatteKrab: Crell: skyred is talking | |
| 5:26:45 PM webchick|scribe: proposal for china, australia | |
| 5:26:47 PM Crell: kk | |
| 5:26:48 PM nedjo: skyred: thx, please wrap up in a few seconds | |
| 5:26:49 PM Crell: *just got here.* | |
| 5:26:55 PM webchick|scribe: I want to help the board to continue discussion and to prepare for DrupalCon Asia | |
| 5:27:03 PM webchick|scribe: done | |
| 5:27:10 PM webchick|scribe: Next: RJ | |
| 5:27:14 PM webchick|scribe: Hi, my name is RJ Townsend | |
| 5:27:20 PM webchick|scribe: Split time between Phili and DC | |
| 5:27:24 PM webchick|scribe: Working with Drupal for 6 years | |
| 5:27:27 PM webchick|scribe: Member of community 4.5 years | |
| 5:27:32 PM webchick|scribe: Manage small team of Drupal developers | |
| 5:27:40 PM webchick|scribe: Almost exclusively with enterprise clients that require large website build | |
| 5:27:44 PM webchick|scribe: Also author of Foundation Drupal 7 | |
| 5:27:48 PM webchick|scribe: and owner of Code my designs | |
| 5:27:54 PM webchick|scribe: I think I bring 2 unique perspectives to board | |
| 5:28:05 PM webchick|scribe: for about 5 years I worked almost exclusively with small designers, small agencies | |
| 5:28:12 PM webchick|scribe: jave understanding of issues faced with Drupal | |
| 5:28:20 PM webchick|scribe: At the same time, working with larger enterprise clients | |
| 5:28:24 PM webchick|scribe: see same questions, same concerns | |
| 5:28:36 PM webchick|scribe: I see myself being able to help organizations to work with the DA, the community | |
| 5:28:41 PM nedjo: rj_: thx, pleas wrap up in a few seconds | |
| 5:28:50 PM webchick|scribe: so that in the end they can understand it, leverage it, give back to not just DA and Drupal community bit also open source community | |
| 5:28:54 PM webchick|scribe: next | |
| 5:28:54 PM webchick|scribe: Steve | |
| 5:29:09 PM webchick|scribe: I joined the drupal commnunity 6 years ago | |
| 5:29:13 PM webchick|scribe: didn't want to use drupal in first place | |
| stolemybike left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection). (5:29:14 PM) | |
| 5:29:18 PM webchick|scribe: same reason people don't use it now | |
| 5:29:20 PM webchick|scribe: seemed complicated, etc. | |
| 5:29:32 PM webchick|scribe: my one site ended up getting re-written in Drupal, fell in love. | |
| 5:29:34 PM KatteKrab: that's awesome! | |
| 5:29:37 PM webchick|scribe: 5 years didn't give much to the community | |
| 5:29:41 PM KatteKrab: stevepurkiss++ | |
| 5:29:42 PM webchick|scribe: went to DrupalCon CPH and completely change dmy life | |
| 5:29:49 PM webchick|scribe: People talking about Drupal, teaching others | |
| 5:29:50 PM webchick|scribe: I do the same now | |
| 5:30:00 PM webchick|scribe: In the DA, I see lots of conversations happening all over the world | |
| 5:30:01 PM webchick|scribe: but not conected | |
| 5:30:09 PM nedjo: status: candidates are currently introducing selves. Following that, we will have questions, with hands in IRC or, for people not in IRC, voice. | |
| 5:30:15 PM webchick|scribe: I see myself being able to connect what's going on in Australia, Asia, and make sure we're speaking as one voice | |
| 5:30:21 PM webchick|scribe: i come from a small background | |
| 5:30:23 PM webchick|scribe: not a big consultancy | |
| 5:30:29 PM webchick|scribe: I can speak for the "normal guy" in the equation | |
| 5:30:39 PM nedjo: all: pls raise hands here (by typing "hand') if you have questions | |
| 5:30:51 PM KatteKrab: nedjo what about ryan rcross? | |
| 5:30:57 PM webchick|scribe: Next: | |
| 5:30:58 PM rcross: *hand* | |
| 5:30:58 PM webchick|scribe: Ryan | |
| 5:31:14 PM webchick|scribe: I got started in Drupal about 6 years ago | |
| 5:31:18 PM webchick|scribe: Working on a university project | |
| 5:31:22 PM webchick|scribe: Fell in love with it | |
| 5:31:28 PM webchick|scribe: eventually ended up reaching out to start Sydney community | |
| 5:31:32 PM webchick|scribe: running that for 4.5 years | |
| 5:31:42 PM webchick|scribe: coordinating with other Australian organizers such as Donna | |
| 5:31:48 PM webchick|scribe: at moment I run small Drpal shop for 3 years now | |
| 5:31:57 PM webchick|scribe: outside of that, co-founded another open source organization | |
| 5:32:02 PM webchick|scribe: web-based collaboration tool | |
| 5:32:09 PM webchick|scribe: been involved in developing that community, and software | |
| 5:32:16 PM webchick|scribe: have other experience with larger orgs, industry orgs | |
| 5:32:22 PM webchick|scribe: started up 3 other companies, advisor for 5 others | |
| stolemybike [~stolemybi@94-192-198-253.zone6.bethere.co.uk] entered the room. (5:32:28 PM) | |
| 5:32:33 PM webchick|scribe: one thing I'm passionate about is getting more people on the ground talking to each other | |
| 5:32:37 PM webchick|scribe: providing global perspective | |
| 5:32:40 PM webchick|scribe: in the DA | |
| 5:32:58 PM webchick|scribe: I don't think peope forget about us, but I feel like people in Austraila, India, Asia get the same voice/exposure people in NA and EU get | |
| 5:33:06 PM webchick|scribe: One of the things we started was to being a large Drupal event here | |
| 5:33:13 PM nedjo: rcross: thx, please wrap up in a few seconds | |
| 5:33:16 PM webchick|scribe: with support of broader Australian community we have our own strong national event | |
| 5:33:20 PM webchick|scribe: but not the same exposure as DrupalCon | |
| 5:33:24 PM webchick|scribe: Thhat's something I want to bring to the DA | |
| 5:33:35 PM webchick|scribe: kevinjohngallagh: are you here? | |
| 5:33:53 PM webchick|scribe: Nedjo: It's very exciting to move past theory, and to have you all here | |
| 5:33:57 PM webchick|scribe: Going to move onto the questions | |
| 5:34:20 PM tsvenson: Q to each candidate: What do you see as the biggest obstacles for new Drupal users, especially non coders with small or no budgets, often leading to them quickly going elsewhere? And what will you do to change that? | |
| 5:34:21 PM webchick|scribe: would like to focus on questions that all candidates could answer, then focus on individual candidates questions | |
| 5:34:32 PM webchick|scribe: First question (repeating tsvenson's question) | |
| 5:34:45 PM webchick|scribe: Candidates raise hand to respond | |
| 5:34:53 PM rj_: hand | |
| 5:34:54 PM stephvhosny: hand | |
| 5:34:58 PM skyred: hand | |
| 5:34:58 PM nickvidal: hand | |
| 5:35:01 PM stevepurkiss: *raises hand* | |
| 5:35:04 PM webchick|scribe: and if you've already repsonded to previous question, please leave question for others who've not had a chance | |
| 5:35:11 PM rcross: *hand* | |
| 5:35:21 PM webchick|scribe: First hand from RJ, go ahead | |
| 5:35:23 PM webchick|scribe: RJ: | |
| 5:35:28 PM webchick|scribe: I see it as a lack of understanding about the community | |
| 5:35:30 PM KatteKrab: can we answer some of these here - rather than by voice? | |
| 5:35:39 PM webchick|scribe: not really knowing that there are people in the community available on the forums to answer questions, meetups, drupalcamps | |
| 5:35:42 PM nedjo: KatteKrab: yes | |
| 5:35:44 PM webchick|scribe: lots of oportunuties for people to network and meet others | |
| 5:35:50 PM webchick|scribe: It's education | |
| 5:35:55 PM KatteKrab: cool - thanks nedjo | |
| 5:35:57 PM webchick|scribe: There's a process, a path to become part of the Drupal community | |
| 5:36:15 PM webchick|scribe: Nedjo: If you wish to respond in IRC, go ahead | |
| 5:36:17 PM rcross: *both* | |
| 5:36:20 PM stephvhosny: both | |
| 5:36:21 PM toddtoml_: both | |
| 5:36:22 PM KatteKrab: I think we need to address the documentation teams issues | |
| 5:36:22 PM stevepurkiss: *both* | |
| 5:36:23 PM rj_: both | |
| 5:36:23 PM Crell: *is on both.* | |
| 5:36:24 PM webchick|scribe: nedjo: If you're on voice but not IRC, please let us know | |
| 5:36:26 PM skyred: both | |
| 5:36:29 PM KatteKrab: because they are the front line for new users | |
| 5:36:32 PM webchick|scribe: (no one responds) | |
| 5:36:40 PM KatteKrab: our online help and support is critical | |
| 5:36:42 PM webchick|scribe: Next: Stephanie | |
| 5:36:57 PM KatteKrab: infrastructure bottle necks are a real issue | |
| 5:36:59 PM webchick|scribe: Support is really the key thing | |
| 5:37:09 PM webchick|scribe: the network that they rely on, but also in terms of them finding leverage they've got with the community | |
| 5:37:14 PM webchick|scribe: marketing materials, welath ofcommunity | |
| 5:37:16 PM KatteKrab: and that is something the DA can help with - and it's on the roadmap for 2012 - which is great | |
| 5:37:22 PM webchick|scribe: without community just like any other software | |
| 5:37:28 PM webchick|scribe: so this is a strength we need to better promote | |
| 5:37:32 PM nedjo: all: please prepare questions for copying here | |
| 5:37:35 PM KatteKrab: tsvenson: see above | |
| 5:37:36 PM webchick|scribe: Skyred: | |
| 5:37:42 PM webchick|scribe: I agree with RJ, the biggest effort should be education | |
| 5:37:44 PM rcross: I think there are a few key issues... mostly that boil down to guidance (of which support is related, but different)... 1) guidance w/ using the software | |
| 5:37:50 PM rcross: 2) perception of other tools | |
| 5:37:52 PM webchick|scribe: In Asian countries, we have another prbolem | |
| 5:37:55 PM webchick|scribe: centralization of those resources | |
| 5:37:55 PM nickvidal: oops, i'll go next | |
| 5:38:08 PM webchick|scribe: For Asia countries, we want to centralize those efforts into groups.drupal.org | |
| 5:38:10 PM webchick|scribe: Nick: | |
| 5:38:16 PM webchick|scribe: I agree with RJ and Steph that community support is very important | |
| 5:38:16 PM toddtoml_: Working with clients I often find that they don't understand the vast array of resources that are available in the community. When I point them to a few resources I find that they are often overwhelmed with where to start. My suggestion is that as a group we build an educational roadmap with clearly defined tracks that address the various aspects of using Drupal (e.g., site builder, site ad | |
| 5:38:17 PM toddtoml_: ministrator, theme, etc.) | |
| 5:38:18 PM rcross: 3) lack of confidence in exploring /software | |
| 5:38:22 PM webchick|scribe: What I saw about objectives for 2012 in DA | |
| 5:38:25 PM KatteKrab: I agree with skyred - there is a language / technical barrier there too. | |
| 5:38:32 PM nedjo: who is speaking? | |
| 5:38:38 PM webchick|scribe: was to really support both organizing events such as Drupwl in a Day and also organizing the Documentation | |
| 5:38:40 PM KatteKrab: nedjo: nickvidal is speaking | |
| 5:38:43 PM webchick|scribe: for example, creating documentation for site builders | |
| 5:38:46 PM webchick|scribe: not just about programming | |
| 5:38:58 PM webchick|scribe: if someone can't get into Drupal and see how it works, they can't get into the code | |
| 5:39:03 PM webchick|scribe: this is one of the key ideas that we'll push for | |
| You are now known as webchick (5:39:11 PM) | |
| 5:39:28 PM webchick: Q: For those who want to promote international diversity, explain how a position on the DA helps you do that more effectively. | |
| You are now known as webchick|scribe (5:39:31 PM) | |
| 5:39:36 PM webchick|scribe: Steve repsonds: | |
| 5:39:43 PM webchick|scribe: If we talk about education | |
| 5:39:46 PM toddtoml_: that was a response to the question | |
| 5:39:52 PM nedjo: toddtoml_: thx | |
| 5:39:54 PM webchick|scribe: In Brighton I did training for 149 pounds a day | |
| 5:40:01 PM webchick|scribe: and others saying "I couldn't do training for that price" | |
| 5:40:05 PM webchick|scribe: This is why we need more balance in the DA | |
| 5:40:06 PM KatteKrab: Hand! (to answer webchicks question) | |
| 5:40:17 PM webchick|scribe: we need more small organizations represented | |
| 5:40:22 PM webchick|scribe: the thing about Drupal is it hits both sides of that equation | |
| 5:40:27 PM webchick|scribe: if we only go to the commercial side, we have a problem | |
| 5:40:29 PM KatteKrab: *agrees violently with stevepurkiss* | |
| 5:40:30 PM nedjo: all: pls type "question: ..." for questions, so I can recognize | |
| 5:40:32 PM webchick|scribe: and if it only goes to the other side we have a problem | |
| 5:40:35 PM rcross: webchick|scribe: /hand for me | |
| 5:40:36 PM webchick|scribe: Next hand is Donna | |
| 5:41:15 PM webchick|scribe: (reading my question) | |
| 5:41:20 PM rcross: *hand* | |
| 5:41:23 PM webchick|scribe: (donna's hand is in relation to my question) | |
| 5:41:42 PM stevepurkiss: KatteKrab++ | |
| 5:41:42 PM webchick|scribe: Nedjo taking hands from peope who preferably haven't answered question yet | |
| 5:41:44 PM webchick|scribe: Donna: | |
| 5:41:51 PM webchick|scribe: This is one of the things that is kind of at the core of my platform | |
| 5:42:01 PM webchick|scribe: International diversity is core to the goal of the DA | |
| 5:42:04 PM webchick|scribe: the current board: | |
| 5:42:10 PM webchick|scribe: everyone except for one is located in NA, and that one is in EU | |
| 5:42:17 PM webchick|scribe: While these people have an international perspective | |
| 5:42:19 PM skyred: echo... can't hear clearly | |
| 5:42:31 PM webchick|scribe: it's not until you *are* somewhere, it's hard to empathize | |
| 5:42:41 PM webchick|scribe: for example, the call tomorrow. while not required to be there, will our absence hurt our candidacy? | |
| 5:42:50 PM webchick|scribe: What I would do is just be really noisy about it | |
| 5:42:53 PM webchick|scribe: keep saying HEY | |
| 5:42:57 PM webchick|scribe: have we reached out at Africa? | |
| 5:43:02 PM Crell: penguins++ | |
| 5:43:07 PM webchick|scribe: have we looked at DrupalCon in Antarctica and dressing up as penguins? | |
| 5:43:07 PM stevepurkiss: penguins++ | |
| 5:43:11 PM rcross: donna wants us to dress up as penguins! | |
| 5:43:11 PM rcross: | |
| 5:43:12 PM skyred: hand | |
| 5:43:16 PM webchick|scribe: Just be noisy and irritating, that's what I would do | |
| 5:43:18 PM webchick|scribe: Next | |
| 5:43:21 PM webchick|scribe: Skyred: | |
| 5:43:31 PM webchick|scribe: I think being on the board will help me to use the authority | |
| 5:43:40 PM webchick|scribe: for example, international support of documentation on drupal.org | |
| 5:43:46 PM webchick|scribe: proposal was a long time ago, no one has responded | |
| 5:43:51 PM rcross: *hand* | |
| 5:43:54 PM webchick|scribe: if I'm on board, someone will look at my prposal | |
| 5:44:00 PM webchick|scribe: secnond, on board I can help rpepare DrupalCon Asia | |
| 5:44:04 PM webchick|scribe: Next: rcross | |
| You are now known as webchick (5:44:15 PM) | |
| 5:44:28 PM webchick: Q: For those who want more outreach to enterprise clients, can you ex[lain where you feel the current board is lacking expertise in this area? | |
| You are now known as webchick|scribe (5:44:35 PM) | |
| 5:44:36 PM webchick|scribe: Ryan | |
| 5:44:49 PM webchick|scribe: I've had experience on other boards with diversity issues before | |
| 5:44:52 PM webchick|scribe: women, geographical | |
| 5:44:58 PM webchick|scribe: not that anyone intentionally excludes anyone | |
| 5:45:07 PM webchick|scribe: but if you don't have people involved in design proicess for things they have inherent probles with | |
| 5:45:12 PM KatteKrab: rcross++ | |
| 5:45:12 PM webchick|scribe: their voice doesn't get heard, included in design proices | |
| 5:45:17 PM webchick|scribe: design naturally doesn't cater to thenm | |
| 5:45:20 PM stephvhosny: hand | |
| 5:45:26 PM webchick|scribe: i want to bridge that gap | |
| 5:45:31 PM webchick|scribe: not only will being on other side of world will be helpful | |
| 5:45:39 PM webchick|scribe: but will also help us reach out to not this region but other regions | |
| 5:45:39 PM nedjo: stephvhosny: pls type response in irc | |
| 5:45:40 PM skyred: hand | |
| 5:45:46 PM webchick|scribe: that will help to be on the board | |
| 5:45:52 PM skyred: cancel | |
| 5:45:57 PM webchick|scribe: Next question | |
| 5:46:10 PM stephvhosny: My experience in the support side of the fence - see the issues coming up post implementation | |
| 5:46:10 PM webchick|scribe: (Nedjo is reading the above question about enterprise and board stuff) | |
| 5:46:27 PM stevepurkiss: hand | |
| 5:46:35 PM webchick|scribe: Steve: | |
| 5:46:52 PM KatteKrab: stevepurkiss: we can't hear you? | |
| 5:46:57 PM webchick|scribe: (can't hear him ) | |
| 5:47:07 PM stephvhosny: hope to develop post implementation support and over come barriers and issues | |
| 5:47:08 PM webchick|scribe: Other hands? | |
| 5:47:11 PM webchick|scribe: Oh! He's back. | |
| 5:47:12 PM webchick|scribe: Steve: | |
| 5:47:20 PM toddtoml_: A: to question about enterprise clients. My experience is in selling and delivering services to the Global 2000 - specifically to the board rooms and C' level executives in major corporations, such as Kraft Foods, New Zealand Telecom, AT&T Europe, Hansol Telecom Asia, Bell South, British Steel. While I don't know the experience of the current board members - my history and track record poin | |
| 5:47:21 PM toddtoml_: ts to specific expertise in conveying the value of technology to senior executives. I have also been defending DRupal in the board rooms - especially when it comes to Gartner and the lack of visibility of Drupal in the Magic Quadrant. | |
| 5:47:27 PM rcross: A: I think that the commercial interests in Drupal are potentially better places to market Drupal to the enterprise. I would rather see more efforts directed at marketing Drupal in areas where commercial interests are less capable | |
| 5:47:32 PM webchick|scribe: I think that the issue is in growing the commercial side of it | |
| 5:47:40 PM webchick|scribe: using the old IT-type of commercial growth | |
| 5:47:44 PM webchick|scribe: IBM people, | |
| 5:47:51 PM webchick|scribe: we've grown this great modular piece of software | |
| 5:47:53 PM nedjo: looking for next question. | |
| 5:47:55 PM webchick|scribe: but not a modular business around it | |
| 5:48:09 PM webchick|scribe: old software and old business models have failed | |
| 5:48:19 PM toddtoml_: A: My experience is as an Associate Partner with Accenture/Andersen Consulting, Sr. Director of EBusiness Strategy for Oracle Corporation, Practice Director for IBM, etc. | |
| 5:48:29 PM Crell: Should we just state questions here, or PM to someone? | |
| stolemybike left the room (quit: Remote host closed the connection). (5:48:35 PM) | |
| 5:48:38 PM nedjo: state questions here | |
| 5:48:38 PM webchick|scribe: Crell: just state here with "Q" | |
| 5:48:41 PM webchick|scribe: Todd responding | |
| 5:48:51 PM rcross: A: (cont'd) focusing on promoting Drupal on the ground will also help support drupal growth in all these areas | |
| 5:48:52 PM webchick|scribe: In my position, I march around world prompting drupal at large organizations | |
| 5:48:58 PM webchick|scribe: run across a lot of unfoudned resistance to Drupal | |
| 5:49:07 PM webchick|scribe: because of fear they have of open source software | |
| 5:49:14 PM rj_: A about enterpr5ise clients: What I have found is there is a lack of understanding about the open source culture; to quote ERS, it's a gift culture where respect is earned by giving back. | |
| 5:49:14 PM webchick|scribe: doesn't show up in magic quadrant because we don't sell licenses | |
| 5:49:24 PM webchick|scribe: in my career, been focused on C-level board level of fortune 2000 companies | |
| 5:49:27 PM webchick|scribe: ford, etc. | |
| 5:49:28 PM nedjo: toddtoml_: pls wrap up in a few seconds | |
| 5:49:28 PM webchick|scribe: around the world | |
| 5:49:33 PM webchick|scribe: global focus for 25 years | |
| 5:49:38 PM stevepurkiss: when I was at remoteapps we paid about £80k t be in the magic quadrant - it's all a sham! | |
| 5:49:40 PM webchick|scribe: Drupal has a lot of value for both small and large organisationz | |
| 5:49:54 PM webchick|scribe: coming out of large software industry, have perspective on raising visibikity of Drupal | |
| 5:50:01 PM webchick|scribe: we've been successful as organization | |
| 5:50:06 PM Crell: Q: Currently Drupal's face in the world is a mix of face-less Drupal.org and Acquia. Acquia is the face of Drupal, rightly or wrongly, in many eyes, moreso with the new Office of the CTO. Drupal of course is far far more than Acquia. What if anything do you feel the DA can or should do to counter-balance that, or is that even an appropriate role for the DA? | |
| 5:50:09 PM webchick|scribe: scholastic just launched on Drupal | |
| 5:50:13 PM webchick|scribe: done | |
| 5:50:20 PM rcross: *hand* | |
| 5:50:24 PM KatteKrab: hand | |
| 5:50:33 PM Crell: *causes trouble... * | |
| 5:50:38 PM webchick|scribe: (Nedjo reading Crell's question) | |
| 5:50:43 PM stephvhosny: hand | |
| 5:50:48 PM webchick|scribe: Ryan: | |
| 5:50:48 PM rj_: hand | |
| 5:50:50 PM stevepurkiss: hand | |
| 5:50:55 PM KatteKrab: let stephvhosny go before me... | |
| 5:51:04 PM KatteKrab: I'll answer here instead | |
| 5:51:18 PM webchick|scribe: I think that the biggest thing I'd say is I don't think any organization should look at countering something like Acquia | |
| 5:51:28 PM KatteKrab: I think the DA needs to look at the apache and gnome foundations | |
| 5:51:31 PM webchick|scribe: if anythung the DA should be more concerned with providing an even playing field for entire communty\ | |
| 5:51:35 PM stephvhosny: DA role should be to harness and to promote the successes of Drupal and therefore allowing others to shine as well rather than instead of | |
| 5:51:36 PM webchick|scribe: rather than looking at specific shops/companies | |
| 5:51:43 PM webchick|scribe: in terms of perception of acquia as face of commnunity | |
| 5:51:48 PM webchick|scribe: that's something we as community need to work towards. | |
| 5:51:55 PM stevepurkiss: We just need to educate people more as to the fact we're not one organisation and everyone has the freedom to join in and be part of it | |
| 5:51:55 PM webchick|scribe: acquia's done well promoting Drupal in enterptrise | |
| 5:51:58 PM toddtoml_: A: I believe the DA CAN be the face of Drupal to the market -- we have the ability to fulfill that role - | |
| 5:51:59 PM webchick|scribe: that's been great for us | |
| 5:52:07 PM webchick|scribe: but it's a reason that we need to focus on smaller businesses, smaller websites | |
| 5:52:08 PM nedjo: rcross: pls wrap up in a few secs | |
| 5:52:16 PM KatteKrab: Acquia is incredibly important and powerful - but as far as the DA concerned - Acquia should just be one of many ddrupal companies | |
| 5:52:21 PM webchick|scribe: because larger organizations like acquia aren't focusing on these | |
| 5:52:27 PM webchick|scribe: raise the bar for everyone, not just focus on one org | |
| 5:52:35 PM webchick|scribe: Stephanie: | |
| 5:52:49 PM webchick|scribe: I think the DA should be promoting successes of Drupal everywhere | |
| 5:52:49 PM KatteKrab: the DA needs to focus on the community and the infrastructure the community needs to make drupal better. | |
| 5:52:53 PM webchick|scribe: not 'instead' of Acquia | |
| 5:53:00 PM toddtoml_: A: I believe the DA board should be the vocal evangelists of the platform to the world | |
| 5:53:01 PM skyred: hand | |
| 5:53:01 PM webchick|scribe: whether there are more things we could offer alongside that | |
| 5:53:06 PM webchick|scribe: increase sponsorship opportunities | |
| 5:53:09 PM webchick|scribe: allow everyone to shine | |
| 5:53:12 PM webchick|scribe: RJ: | |
| 5:53:17 PM stephvhosny: thanks kate | |
| 5:53:25 PM webchick|scribe: I see Acquia as commercial side of Drupal that vaidates Drupal to enterptise | |
| 5:53:29 PM KatteKrab: rj_++ | |
| 5:53:29 PM webchick|scribe: DA should focus on communty | |
| 5:53:29 PM stephvhosny: sorry donna | |
| 5:53:32 PM nedjo: any more questions? | |
| 5:53:35 PM webchick|scribe: so non-enterprise clients have resources they can go to | |
| 5:53:42 PM KatteKrab: stephvhosny: no no - that's fine!! | |
| 5:54:01 PM KatteKrab: stephvhosny: happens all the time | |
| 5:54:01 PM webchick|scribe: Nedjo: | |
| 5:54:05 PM webchick|scribe: Going to summarize thusfar | |
| 5:54:13 PM webchick|scribe: got a bit of time to know the cnadidates at beginning of this call | |
| 5:54:18 PM rcross: q: is kevinjohngallagh still here? I'd be curious about his perspective of the drupal community vs the wordpress comunity in light of his recent experience? | |
| 5:54:19 PM webchick|scribe: good questions that get at heart of current issues | |
| 5:54:22 PM tsvenson: Q to all: We just had a live usability test that showed we have still very much to do. How do you propose we can put more efforts into making Drupal, including contib projects, more user friendly and intuitive? | |
| 5:54:32 PM webchick|scribe: looking for last questuon, here we have it. | |
| 5:54:34 PM webchick|scribe: 5 mintues left | |
| 5:54:40 PM webchick|scribe: (reading tsvenson's question) | |
| 5:54:47 PM KatteKrab: tsvenson: that was awesome. | |
| 5:54:54 PM skyred: Answer: DA should not take the role to counter individual shop, but DA should be prepared for any potential Open Source Hijacking | |
| 5:54:57 PM skyred: Crell, ^^ | |
| 5:55:01 PM stevepurkiss: hand | |
| 5:55:12 PM tsvenson: KatteKrab: Sure was, unfortunately even worse that I thought | |
| 5:55:16 PM Crell: Can we get candidates voiced in this channel so we can tell who is a candidate and who is not? | |
| 5:55:23 PM webchick|scribe: Please answer question in IRC | |
| 5:55:29 PM webchick|scribe: and will allow each candidate to have something to leave us with | |
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| 5:55:57 PM webchick: I'd like to answer that. The DA doesn't have say over the project, so what we should do is figure out what the comminity need to improve usability. | |
| You are now known as webchick|scribe (5:56:01 PM) | |
| 5:56:05 PM webchick|scribe: Steve: | |
| 5:56:06 PM KatteKrab: Hand | |
| 5:56:08 PM rcross: *hand* | |
| 5:56:32 PM webchick|scribe: We've opened this up to the community and done lots of things in last 3 years | |
| 5:56:38 PM webchick|scribe: I think the DA needs to have a more hanbds-on approach | |
| 5:56:45 PM webchick|scribe: We're all doing good things all over the place | |
| 5:56:47 PM webchick|scribe: but we need to connect more | |
| 5:56:51 PM webchick|scribe: 600K developers, not many marketers | |
| 5:56:55 PM webchick|scribe: Donna: | |
| 5:57:01 PM webchick|scribe: I'd liek to finish off by saying Drupal is awesome | |
| 5:57:05 PM webchick|scribe: the community is what makes it that | |
| 5:57:14 PM webchick|scribe: I am desperate to give back to this project and this commnuity in the best way I can | |
| 5:57:18 PM webchick|scribe: I'm not a coder, designer, documenter | |
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| 5:57:21 PM rcross: A: i think the usability of core/contrib can be improved mostly by providing standards/guidance and tools for people to measure and compare usability | |
| 5:57:24 PM webchick|scribe: but I am good at doing committees and organizign thing | |
| 5:57:27 PM webchick|scribe: and folliwing up on stuff | |
| 5:57:29 PM stevepurkiss: ok - I think we should eat more of our own dogfood - many use apps which could be done in drupal, if not already, because they're easier to use - but that's not the point - the more we use our own software the better it will get, if we don't, it won't /my2p | |
| 5:57:31 PM toddtoml_: A: we've come so far from where we were back in Drupal 3. While there is always room for improvement, I think that education will help solve the perception problems. Its hard for commercial software enterprises to get it right. So I believe we need to promote how well it works! Our clients love it -- its amazingly powerful and properly trained users go a long ways to solving the "usabilit | |
| 5:57:31 PM toddtoml_: y" issues | |
| 5:57:33 PM webchick|scribe: I really could put my all in and be useful on the board | |
| 5:57:34 PM tsvenson: webchick|scribe: I think DA can do much to guide and educate project maintainers about the benefits and base practice of improved usability though. | |
| 5:57:36 PM webchick|scribe: rcross: | |
| 5:57:37 PM rj_: Answer: standards, which we are doing great at (ie. module coding standards, commenting standards, etc.), but also getting more users involved in the process. I have heard it frequently said that Drupal is a hard community to break into, and getting more people involved in the process will lower those barriers of entry | |
| 5:57:38 PM stephvhosny: A: multi pronged approach with user feedback gathered and work together on one agenda. | |
| 5:57:50 PM webchick|scribe: I think one of the things to highlight is in addition to being passionate about things I've talked about | |
| 5:58:02 PM webchick|scribe: I want to focus on getting people who are using Drupal already but not part of community into the community | |
| 5:58:15 PM webchick|scribe: one of the things highlighted last month was sponsoring someone who wouldn't be able to go to a Drupal event there, | |
| 5:58:21 PM stevepurkiss: *claps* | |
| 5:58:22 PM webchick|scribe: by end of event, got his first core patch comitted | |
| 5:58:34 PM webchick|scribe: shows that reaching out to people who wouldn't otherwise be part of this commmunity can be part | |
| 5:58:37 PM webchick|scribe: really want to champion | |
| 5:58:38 PM webchick|scribe: skyred: | |
| 5:58:43 PM webchick|scribe: Asia has huge # of programmers | |
| 5:58:48 PM webchick|scribe: DA has incentove to prompte Drupal in Asia | |
| 5:58:50 PM webchick|scribe: I'm ready to help! | |
| 5:58:52 PM webchick|scribe: Steph: | |
| 5:59:04 PM webchick|scribe: With a multi-pronged approach | |
| 5:59:10 PM webchick|scribe: all of us working towards that one agenda | |
| 5:59:16 PM webchick|scribe: I'm also not developer, not designer | |
| 5:59:33 PM webchick|scribe: these other candidates are great, have really floored me with their enthusiasm | |
| 5:59:35 PM webchick|scribe: Todd: | |
| 5:59:44 PM nedjo: candidates: if you haven't spoken please raise your hand here | |
| 5:59:48 PM KatteKrab: Q: how can the DA help make Drupal & Contrib more usable? <== Continue to improve the infrastrucuture... and invest in the tools we use... eg D.O | |
| 5:59:54 PM rj_: hand | |
| 5:59:55 PM nickvidal: hand | |
| 6:00:04 PM webchick|scribe: RJ: | |
| 6:00:15 PM webchick|scribe: I see my role as hjelping everyone from small, non-Drupal design shops to enterprtise orgs | |
| 6:00:16 PM toddtoml_: Sorry lost cell coverage -- I'll answer in IRC | |
| 6:00:17 PM webchick|scribe: understanding open source | |
| 6:00:20 PM webchick|scribe: understanding drupal communty | |
| 6:00:24 PM webchick|scribe: how they can contribute to that, become involved | |
| 6:00:26 PM webchick|scribe: NickL | |
| 6:00:30 PM nickvidal: nickvidal's objectives: https://association.drupal.org/node/14488#comment-1823 | |
| 6:00:34 PM webchick|scribe: I would like to point to ;link where I wrote about my objectives | |
| 6:00:40 PM KatteKrab: nickvidal: you're awesome! | |
| 6:00:41 PM webchick|scribe: I just want you to read the last sentence | |
| 6:00:46 PM webchick|scribe: I think DA should act as a capitalist | |
| 6:00:52 PM webchick|scribe: identify emerging opportunities | |
| 6:00:57 PM webchick|scribe: throw its weight into helping drupal grow faster | |
| 6:01:01 PM rcross: *I'd also like to add, I think campaigns and efforts to work in the community should continue regardless. I really want to contribute to the Association and provide a global perspective into the policies and projects they are working on. | |
| 6:01:04 PM webchick|scribe: Nedjo | |
| 6:01:08 PM webchick|scribe: Wow everyone, I am SO impressed | |
| 6:01:12 PM webchick|scribe: thank you all for your participation today | |
| 6:01:15 PM webchick|scribe: really overjoyed | |
| 6:01:22 PM KatteKrab: nedjo and webchick|scribe THANK YOU | |
| 6:01:22 PM toddtoml_: Drupal Rocks | |
| 6:01:25 PM stephvhosny: thanks for having us | |
| 6:01:29 PM stevepurkiss: drupal++ | |
| 6:01:30 PM webchick|scribe: been working on this a long time, and hope that you are all able to help regardless of who is elected | |
| 6:01:35 PM webchick|scribe: will post a version of this to the DA's group | |
| 6:01:35 PM nickvidal: @webchick: catalyst (not capitalist) - sorry for my accent again | |
| 6:01:43 PM tsvenson: webchick|scribe: Your fingers must be bleeding by now. | |
| 6:01:44 PM webchick|scribe: please as candidates come in and correct what we got wrong | |
| 6:01:47 PM rcross: i'm extremely impressed to see so many other international nominees!!... | |
| 6:01:48 PM tsvenson: webchick++ | |
| 6:01:48 PM webchick|scribe: Thank you all for taking time to come | |
| 6:01:51 PM Crell: *was wondering why the DA should be capitalist. * | |
| 6:01:53 PM stephvhosny: thanks webchick|scribe | |
| 6:01:55 PM webchick|scribe: we look fotward to continued duscussions | |
| 6:01:58 PM stevepurkiss: thanks for organising - was fun!!! | |
| You are now known as webchick (6:01:58 PM) | |
| 6:02:03 PM webchick: nickvidal: OMG. WHAT A TYPO. | |
| 6:02:03 PM nickvidal: sorry, *catalyst* | |
| 6:02:04 PM rcross: THANK YOU | |
| 6:02:04 PM webchick: So sorry! | |
| 6:02:09 PM webchick: Hahahaha | |
| 6:02:15 PM webchick: That oculdn't possibly be more NOT what you meant | |
| 6:02:18 PM nickvidal: hehehe | |
| 6:02:28 PM webchick: Whew! | |
| 6:02:33 PM stephvhosny: see you later if you can make it | |
| 6:02:38 PM nedjo: webchick++ | |
| 6:02:39 PM nickvidal: thanks webchick, nedjo and everyone involved | |
| 6:02:39 PM KatteKrab: nedjo++ | |
| 6:02:40 PM webchick: *goes to soak fingers in sink * | |
| 6:02:43 PM KatteKrab: webchick++ | |
| 6:02:46 PM webchick: KatteKrab++ | |
| 6:02:48 PM stevepurkiss: so see you back here in 15 hours then | |
| 6:02:48 PM webchick: nickvidal++ | |
| 6:02:52 PM webchick: stevepurkiss++ | |
| 6:02:54 PM webchick: skyred++ | |
| 6:02:56 PM stephvhosny: off to bed | |
| 6:02:58 PM stevepurkiss: can I go to bed now? | |
| 6:02:58 PM KatteKrab: webchick: try ice cubes | |
| 6:02:59 PM rcross: will a recording of the call be posted? | |
| 6:03:03 PM webchick: stephvhosny++ | |
| 6:03:03 PM nedjo: thanks webchick for transcribing | |
| 6:03:07 PM KatteKrab: sweet dreams stevepurkiss and stephvhosny | |
| 6:03:09 PM webchick: rcross++ | |
| 6:03:10 PM stevepurkiss: or can I do more #drupal? | |
| 6:03:11 PM budda: stevepurkiss: sleep is for the weak | |
| 6:03:14 PM webchick: night, stevepurkiss and stephvhosny | |
| 6:03:14 PM stephvhosny: | |
| 6:03:15 PM nedjo: rcross: no, sorry, couldn't figure out how to record | |
| 6:03:20 PM webchick: stephvhosny: there's ALWAYS time for more Drupal. ;D | |
| 6:03:25 PM webchick: oops. stevepurkiss^^ | |
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| 6:03:32 PM stephvhosny: i was expecting tough questions from you budda | |
| 6:03:33 PM budda: 2am... | |
| 6:03:33 PM KatteKrab: wow - you people are all awesome. | |
| 6:03:33 PM stevepurkiss: budda: was only joking | |
| 6:03:38 PM rcross: ok - if interested, i might be able to organize a ghetto recording of the next one | |
| 6:03:42 PM nedjo: but we will post an adaption of irc transcraption | |
| 6:03:52 PM KatteKrab: transcraption... hehe | |
| 6:03:53 PM tsvenson: *is impressed about all the candidates. Open for bribes still * | |
| 6:03:55 PM stevepurkiss: must admit, that was pretty awesome | |
| 6:03:55 PM budda: stephvhosny: i'm too busy trying to hack drupal core | |
| 6:04:09 PM Crell: *is still forming his Super PAC.* | |
| 6:04:14 PM KatteKrab: PAC? | |
| 6:04:16 PM webchick: tsvenson: Ok, now that I can talk. no. absolutely not. bossing around volunteers/contributors is not the DA's role. | |
| 6:04:19 PM stephvhosny: tsvenson: i have druplicon stress balls to bride you all with | |
| 6:04:24 PM rcross: PAC - polication action committee | |
| 6:04:32 PM stephvhosny: bribe, not bride | |
| 6:04:33 PM nedjo: all: I don't have the full IRC transcrpit. if you do, pls email to me. | |
| 6:04:37 PM stephvhosny: oh dear, off to bed | |
| 6:04:38 PM webchick: tsvenson: But things like providing portable UX testing kits at DrupalCons, infrastructure for fundraising on d.o, etc? That totally is. | |
| 6:04:38 PM stevepurkiss: …hope I didn't do too badly after a night of beers at our local freelancer's meetup | |
| 6:04:53 PM Crell: I probably can't make tomorrow's meeting, so I'll ask this of the candidates now: | |
| 6:04:57 PM rcross: in the USA is a way to influence politics with lots of yummy tax/funding loop holes | |
| 6:05:01 PM KatteKrab: stevepurkiss: that's a very australian attitude - I commend you. | |
| 6:05:20 PM KatteKrab: rcross: aaah thank you! | |
| 6:05:21 PM Crell: What is the single most important thing that the DA can do that *could not* be done by the community on its own or by some commercial entity (Acquia or otherwise)? | |
| 6:05:28 PM tsvenson: webchick: I don't want bossing around either, just better guides, examples and so on about the benefits and needs for better usability. | |
| 6:05:33 PM KatteKrab: Crell: good question. | |
| 6:05:40 PM stevepurkiss: KatteKrab: can't wait till I get there, missing aimee_maree & your attitude to life & weather but things to sort out here first | |
| 6:05:41 PM webchick: that's a great question! | |
| 6:05:46 PM Crell: Could not, or could nto be done well. | |
| 6:06:20 PM rcross: Crell: that is a great question... and i assume you mean besides the obvious things like managing infrastructure and providing fun elections like this? | |
| 6:06:29 PM KatteKrab: Crell: Provide the administrative oversight needed to harness the power of a global force of volunteers. legal entity, bank accounts, non-profit status to ensure funds stay in the community. | |
| 6:06:32 PM webchick: one sec, I need to do math. uhhhmm. | |
| 6:06:43 PM nedjo: webchick: do you have an IRC transcript you could email me? | |
| 6:06:46 PM webchick: nedjo: next meeting is 21 hours from now? | |
| 6:06:49 PM skyred: Crell, legal issue, such as TM infringement | |
| 6:06:51 PM webchick: No. | |
| 6:06:51 PM Crell: rcross: Yes, I'm asking for something controvercial that we can hate you for. | |
| 6:06:54 PM webchick: 15 | |
| 6:06:54 PM KatteKrab: stevepurkiss: oh are you planning on coming to OZ? when? | |
| 6:06:59 PM webchick: nedjo: yep | |
| 6:07:01 PM stephvhosny: streamlining - any group of people or community needs a singular voice to harness the power. I worked for a non profit for 6 years and without a coalition, we all just acted like individuals with no strong voice to challenge public and private sectors | |
| 6:07:02 PM webchick: I can figure that iout | |
| 6:07:04 PM nedjo: 15 i think | |
| 6:07:25 PM stevepurkiss: Crell: Marketing - and that's something we've been working on lately. We're preparing a proposal for the association and if it doesn't go through then it's going to be a commercial entity, and if it does then I fear for fragmentaition than necessary will happen | |
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| 6:07:44 PM webchick: Ok, let's get that transcript. | |
| 6:07:48 PM stevepurkiss: "more" fragmentation | |
| 6:07:51 PM Crell: stevepurkiss: Please elaborate. How does marketing lead to fragmentation? | |
| 6:07:57 PM KatteKrab: Crell - I think the "market" around Drupal is doing a lot of things for the community - and one of the challenges the association faces is how to co-exist with that... support and promote that, not get in its way... BUT | |
| 6:08:02 PM tsvenson: Crell: In my view it would be to use its resources to focus on important things that otherwise would be hard to find volunteers for because its not "fun" projects... | |
| 6:08:06 PM Crell: KatteKrab: So, nothing it's not already doing then. | |
| 6:08:15 PM stevepurkiss: Crell: reaearch integrating marketing communications | |
| 6:08:20 PM KatteKrab: the market is also notorious for NOT getting round to some things.... or not seeing them as worthy and profitable.... | |
| 6:08:21 PM stevepurkiss: "research" | |
| 6:08:33 PM budda: nedjo: i've got the irc log if needed? | |
| 6:08:33 PM Crell: *is not a marketing guy so I have no idea what you just said.* | |
| 6:08:39 PM KatteKrab: but they still need doing - so those kinds of things could be things for the DA to look at. | |
| 6:08:49 PM webchick: nedjo: here ya go http://lullapad.com/imiqjLJQJ6 | |
| 6:08:54 PM Crell: But I don't see how not having a marketing party-line would cause "Fragmentation", like people accuse Android of or 19080s Unix. | |
| 6:08:58 PM KatteKrab: However - of course - without driving the direction of the project itself. | |
| 6:09:06 PM webchick: nedjo: I didn't trim it yet | |
| 6:09:08 PM stevepurkiss: Crell: ok, gimme a mo... | |
| 6:09:32 PM Crell: KatteKrab: What sorts of things are those that are a market-fail? Other than running DrupalCon and stuff... | |
| 6:09:34 PM KatteKrab: Crell - actually - I see the DA as in its infancy - given the recent change. | |
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| 6:09:50 PM KatteKrab: I dunno that DrupalCon is really a market fail is ti? | |
| 6:09:50 PM KatteKrab: it? | |
| 6:10:00 PM KatteKrab: I mean - O'Reilly could do that for us too | |
| 6:10:15 PM webchick: I would also suggest we move this discussion to the comments when it gets wrapped uo here so the poor UK people can go to bed. | |
| 6:10:18 PM KatteKrab: things like infrastructure - possibly. | |
| 6:10:19 PM Crell: No, I mean the DA does DrupalCon because it's the only organization within Drupal that really could. | |
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| 6:10:21 PM Crell: What other things... | |
| 6:10:52 PM KatteKrab: *ponders Crell's question* | |
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| 6:11:01 PM KatteKrab: well... | |
| 6:11:10 PM webchick: nedjo: Where are we at for elections tomorrow. I've seen some emails but I've been in "getting a release out" mode all day | |
| 6:11:22 PM webchick: Oh wait. Elections are Friday | |
| 6:11:23 PM Crell: KatteKrab: Right now, the DA already does DrupalCon, runs servers (kind of), and maintains a NFP bank account. | |
| 6:11:24 PM webchick: PLENTY of time | |
| 6:11:26 PM webchick: | |
| 6:11:33 PM KatteKrab: to be perfectly honest - I still need to get my head around the full extent of the DA's tentacles... | |
| 6:11:39 PM Crell: What else do you see as something the DA is singularly suited for doing?\ | |
| 6:11:45 PM KatteKrab: we have a lot of paid staff now, and I'm not 100% clear on what they all do. | |
| 6:12:01 PM webchick: KatteKrab: predominantly, support DrupalCon | |
| 6:12:02 PM KatteKrab: I don't know if we are already engaged directly with other similar open source entities | |
| 6:12:06 PM Crell: Most are related to DrupalCon in some way, or else to keeping d.o running. | |
| 6:12:20 PM KatteKrab: I don't know exactly how our infrastructure us managed... | |
| 6:12:30 PM stevepurkiss: Crell: When marketing a product or a service you need a brand, a brand identity, etc. - at the moment we just have one person/company who says yay or nay to trademark things. We need a Drupal marketing/branding exercise, and if split between more than one company then the message will get confused. Microsoft at the weekend in Amsterdam CxO thingy I just went to has offered us a half day session with their mar | |
| 6:12:35 PM webchick: Neil Kent = events manager, Megan = Sponsor wrangler, Neil Drumm == IT guy (general), Kris == office manager (general) | |
| 6:12:38 PM KatteKrab: I don't know if the DA is actively seeking ways to diversify funding base.... | |
| 6:12:46 PM rcross: Crell - i think there is a lot of administrative work is important - like protecting the "brand" of drupal in terms (yes, i'm aware most of that is technically Dries' legally), managing the infrastructure and general governance.... However, I think often the DA should be responsible for things that are hard for companies or the community (though not impossilbe).... The git migration is a good example. I also think comm | |
| 6:12:46 PM rcross: growth and outreach (or at least facilitating it) through things like grants and event seed capital.... One thing that I think that could be done by the DA (though i'm not sure if it *should*) would be to develop an industry/community wide set of curriculum/standards/certifications... it IS somethign that a company could do, but I am not sure that it is the place to do. Its also something the community to contribute to | |
| 6:12:46 PM rcross: which by itself couldn't provide the authority to do (since it is not a single entity) | |
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| 6:13:13 PM Crell: stevepurkiss: Got cut off at "with their mar". | |
| 6:13:16 PM KatteKrab: Crell: yeah - my general sense is it's mostly an admin entity to make DrupalCon happen | |
| 6:13:31 PM webchick: that's cos DrupalCon is where all our money comes from. | |
| 6:13:34 PM webchick: Though we'd love to change that. | |
| 6:13:36 PM Crell: KatteKrab: We know we desperately need a broader revenue base for the DA. (Speaking as an Advisory Member) | |
| 6:13:38 PM KatteKrab: and out of DC surplus - gets to do some other things... like fund infrastructure and grants... | |
| 6:13:41 PM webchick: Just have tried many things and none have worked out | |
| 6:13:46 PM KatteKrab: Crell: right... | |
| 6:13:55 PM KatteKrab: webchick: right. | |
| 6:13:56 PM stevepurkiss: Crell: their marketing team to get things kicked off. We have a budget of around half a million dollars from various EU companies to put in, and we need to do this soon, so are preparing a proposal to the association which if doesn't go through we will have to set up a company to do - the money is there and it's not going to be stopped. BUT, if not orchestrated/routed through the association then there's goin | |
| 6:14:11 PM KatteKrab: so yeah... I just know right now I have way more to learn than I know. | |
| 6:14:42 PM webchick: KatteKrab: but I think Crell's question is general enough to be able to answer even without intimate knowledge of what the DA is / has done | |
| 6:14:46 PM Crell: stevepurkiss: Wait, wait, I'm confused. You're organizing an independent Drupal marketing blitz, funded by Microsoft, that you want to route through the DA? | |
| 6:14:53 PM KatteKrab: webchick: right | |
| 6:15:01 PM stevepurkiss: Crell: heh nope | |
| 6:15:12 PM Crell: *was scared there...* | |
| 6:15:25 PM KatteKrab: but in answer to the "nothing it isn't already doing" ... I'm not sure I know everything it's doing | |
| 6:15:27 PM webchick: It's called "Micrupal!" | |
| 6:15:36 PM webchick: KatteKrab: oh fair enough. | |
| 6:15:53 PM rcross: |
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