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Signing binaries and getting on Steam
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planetmaker commented Apr 17, 2020

No, there's no such rule in the UK. A company does not have to pay dividends, or employ anyone. It just requires a minimum of 1 director. (There can be more directors, and indeed they can even be overseas I believe - the 'registered office' just needs to be in Scotland, in the case of a company I set up.)

The UK option is probably the cheapest and most 'admin-free' option, from what I can gather, but I would only be intending it as an intermediary for offering certificates/app store hosting, and nothing more. Hence if for whatever reason we then needed to close it, or we do join a foundation elsewhere, we don't have any assets per se to have to move.

That sounds very much less hassle-free than anything I find here as option in Germany. This option would have my vote - we don't need more than just an entity to which certificates are issued and which could be used as legal entity for business purposes with app stores or similar.

Unless of course andy's solution is even more interesting :)

@andythenorth
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andythenorth commented Apr 17, 2020

I looked into UK CIC, it requires statement of purpose, and approval, and annual filings of social outcomes. It's not a route we would want to pursue.

Current best options look like:

  • Stichting
  • UK Limited company

Like orudge, I've been running UK limited companies for years, and I can get accountancy and some legal advice for free. But my gut feeling is that the Stichting looks more appropriate.

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orudge commented Apr 17, 2020

I suppose it depends on whether we want a vessel for donations etc (which would be ideal long term, but I think requires some careful thought to understand the appropriate implications and responsibilities), or a simple solution to the current signing issues.

@TrueBrain
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TrueBrain commented Apr 17, 2020

Yeah, seems to be either short term do UK or do more longterm in NL.

UK would be the way of least resistance.

The NL variant has more protection in terms of legislation as there is always a board of 3 (and part of the legislation will make sure that as long as 2 out of the 3 agree, things can go on). This also indeed means we can do donations via it, trademark, etc. Basically it would live forever :)

In regargs of implications and responsibilities, the company that will help setup the Stichting assists in this. They know how to do that, and basically does everything for you. So we got that covered. (and as it is done by a notary, you can be asure it is correct too :D). And yes, I did a bit of work here ;) I wanted to be sure this would be a possible solution, and not based on my own view of the law :D (as this stuff scares the shit out of me)

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TrueBrain commented Apr 17, 2020

Stupid gist commented before I was done typing.

Anyway, my main concern with the UK road is that we again postpone solving the complete issue. The NL road solves it in a more permanent state. And this is the balance point for me. Do we want a quick fix and be done with it, or do we want to invest a tiny bit more and have it solved for good. At least, that is what is balancing in my head atm.

Personally I rather do UK, as that means I have to do less work. But when I look at OpenTTD as a whole, I rather do NL, as that would remove this issue for good.

Choices :)

@MinchinWeb
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Once you set up the corporation, how much will it cost for annual income tax filing and bookkeeping? In my personal experience, I've found that to be surprisingly expensive for a small corporation...

@serprinss
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Once you set up the corporation, how much will it cost for annual income tax filing and bookkeeping? In my personal experience, I've found that to be surprisingly expensive for a small corporation...

probably depends on the country.

@TrueBrain
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Once you set up the corporation, how much will it cost for annual income tax filing and bookkeeping? In my personal experience, I've found that to be surprisingly expensive for a small corporation...

For a Stichting, the only yearly work is tax filing really, and you can get an exempt for that with a company this size. That means the only thing you have to do is to keep a book of what you get and spend a year, and store that somewhere for a few years. Very minor bookkeeping. That is one of the reasons I was looking into that form ;)

For the UK variant, orudge is already doing that for his own company, so I am sure he knows the work he would be getting into.

But yeah, from experience too, having a normal company that makes money, requires you to spend silly amounts of time a year to get everything in order .. ugh :P But luckily enough we can avoid most of that.

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orudge commented May 3, 2020

If we had a UK “holding” company for the very limited purposes I described, there’s a £13 filing fee per year, plus 19% tax on profits - however, if income = expenses (or expenses + £1), profit will be very minimal and tax will too. As there will be very few transactions going through the accounts, a spreadsheet will be sufficient for accounting. Total cost maybe £15/year. VAT registration not required under £85K turnover. Can also get a fee-free business bank account for this trivial amount of turnover.

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