TheEmpath repping 4over with class

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~ #node.js
[20.16.16] < TheEmpath> so
[20.16.34] < TheEmpath> anyone else have a hot programmer girl in their office? o____O
[20.16.42] < Lorentz> I wiiish
[20.16.48] <@Nexxy> not appropriate.
[20.16.57] »¡« Signoff caaakeeey: #Node.js (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)
[20.17.32] < joshwnj> yeah guys, grow up
[20.17.38] < jerrysv> Nexxy: olynode was fun, you should have gone
[20.18.03] < TheEmpath> my boss came by and said "Here, a new subodinate" and its a very attractive female. the otherwise painfully quite engineering room suddenly came to life and its a problem :X
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[20.16.51] »¡« Irssi: Starting query in freenode with TheEmpath
[20.16.53] <Nexxy> please be respectful.
[20.17.02] <TheEmpath> wat
[20.17.02] »¡« TheEmpath ~TheEmpath@hsrp-bgp.4over.com
[20.17.02] »¡«  ircname  : TheEmpath
[20.17.02] »¡«  channels : #Node.js 
[20.17.02] »¡«  server   : pratchett.freenode.net [Rennes, France]
[20.17.02] »¡«  account  : TheEmpath
[20.17.02] »¡« End of WHOIS
[20.17.08] <TheEmpath> your perception is mucked
[20.17.17] <Nexxy> you're discussing "hot girls" in your office
[20.17.31] <Nexxy> not something that is appropriate for #node.js
[20.17.41] <TheEmpath> oh no, im talking about objectively beautiful features on a female based on human evolution
[20.17.45] <TheEmpath> scold me with a flail
[20.18.10] <Nexxy> I'm not going to hash it out with you. be respectful or leave :)
[20.18.32] <TheEmpath> plenty of conversations go on in node.js that are not appropriate
[20.18.34] <TheEmpath> yet you jumped on this one
[20.18.39] <TheEmpath> watch too much political TV or something?
[20.18.56] <TheEmpath> aww did little baby liberal get a nice hard on exercising power?
[20.19.01] <TheEmpath> AAWWW POOR WITTLE BABY!
[20.20.08] <TheEmpath> i bet it felt good
[20.20.10] <TheEmpath> yessssss
[20.20.18] <TheEmpath> take out your frustrations on the demons in your head
[20.20.20] <TheEmpath> yeeeeeeeah
[20.20.28] <TheEmpath> so powerful
[20.20.29] <TheEmpath> so noble
[20.20.33] <TheEmpath> OMG SO RESPECTFUL
[20.20.46] <TheEmpath> you saved 100,000 womyns rights everywhere
[20.20.54] <TheEmpath> monuments will be built in your name!
[20.21.18] <TheEmpath> BEHOLD THE MIGHTY DEFENDER OF THE FEMALE, NEXXY!  HE PERSONALLY SAVED 10 TRILLION BLACK WOMEN
[20.21.22] <TheEmpath> WITH HIS PINKY
[20.21.24] <TheEmpath> HER?
[20.21.38] <TheEmpath> who care, gender is a social construct ROFLROFLROFLRFOL

@shangxiao We are very lenient towards inappropriate comments. In the logs, you can see that Nexxy told him his comment wasn't appropriate. He reacted disrespectfully and was kicked (but not banned - note the immediate -b taking away the ban flag after he leaves.) Then he came back and started causing more trouble, and only then was he set to auto-kick.

It wasn't all that that long ago that I was a teenage boy, and it was right around the time that the internet was just becoming a thing. I spent a few years as an insufferable troll; despite being to all appearances a pretty nice kid (albeit painfully nerdy). Firm and just moderation was an important part of my development. It is our social responsibility as adults to create the sort of communities we want, and we want communities that are compassionate, inviting, and friendly.

So, we use words first, then /kick only if the words fail, then /ban only if the /kick fails, and if someone cools down and comes back later with a better attitude, we remove the ban. What we don't do is give people what they want just because they throw a temper tantrum. The moderators of the various node.js community forums are all on the same page about this.

I know this guy in real life. I was invited to his wedding. He is not trolling you, because he believes every word he says, no matter how crazy it may seem to you.

You know, I don't really care if he's earnest or lying or crazy or a good guy or anything else. I'm not qualified to comment on Patrick's mental states, and I doubt any of you are, either. He was promoting an atmosphere I don't want to see in the #Node.js IRC channel, and is now harassing one of our admins across several different social networks. He's been banned because (a) he behaved badly, and (b) asking him nicely didn't work. End of story.

Luckily, people can change. It's really not my job to fix Patrick. It IS my job to help promote a friendly atmosphere in the node community, and Nexxy has proven herself to be very helpful in that regard. If he decides to be friendly, and convinces us that he's going to play nice, then he can come and play nice. So far, he's been very rude and aggressive, so it'll take a lot of convincing that he's not going to just throw another tantrum next time an admin takes him to task.

I completely understand what you're trying to promote in the channel. I get it, really. Pat's actions after the fact warrant such a response. I just don't want people thinking he's doing this just to be a troll. I am not defending him, either... It's your channel and you get to decide who is allowed to join. Just think of me as a character witness I guess.

In my opinion, as someone who has been in nexxy's position before elsewhere, kicking someone for a mostly private conversation is a bit much. She didn't exactly give him a chance to correct his tone in channel before giving him the boot. As operators, part of the responsibility is to be objective, and it is my opinion that nexxy's personal agenda played a bigger role than channel rules, due to the private nature of the conversation.

We aren't talking about trolling here. We are talking about an argument with accusations of sexism coming from both sides. I see someone feeling the pressure from modern popular perceptions of being the "inferior" gender.

I dream of a world where both men and women respect each other as equals. I just don't see this happening. I see vicious cycles instead. I would like to see an outcome where Nexxy and TheEmpath shake hands and forgive each other. Can you help me with this?

Kainazzzo has it completely correct. Man years ago, he was there when our high school tried to shut down an everything/nothing website project we were working on loosely. (Over equally nonsense pretenses, btw) I escalated the affair until the state police and major county newspapers were involved. That school never touched another student's website again after that.

I don't do the peon/serf/grovel/kowtow thing, especially when the "authority" is unjust. You go personal, I go personal, and I don't care how may special "powers" you have. You try to revise history multiple times to make yourself sound just, I'll just focus on the details proving that to be completely untrue. Welcome to the human species.

Thanks, Kain, for trying to wade into this. It's not your job to get involved, and you even run the risk of the community lashing out at you, and I recognize that, so thank you. But you don't have to do this. They've set their line, they've held their policy, no matter how ridiculous the detailing/revision of it. They'd rather play the white knight to a private conversation, delete/memory hole my interactions, spin the presentation with the intent to slander, and wrap it up as a policy than face the fact that they are defending the reactionary whims of a person addicted to political fantasy.

If they actually had a "channel policy" then they would have banned half the community by now and I have proof of that. I'll be posting detailed logs of #node.js's much more politically offensive comments made by veteran users and operators throughout the month, highlighting their "policy" failure.

There's no need for you to get involved on this one, sir. They are just emulating the behavior of their favorite liars and hiding behind a false pretense of morality. They, literally, do not know anything else.

Sorry, the established and provable intent to libel, not slander. Wrong phrase.