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This gist describes a new feature we're experimenting with for Sass 3.2: placeholder selectors. They do not get generated into your output, but they can be used like a class and extended like one.
$gutter: 10px;
$grid-unit: 60px;
%clearfix {
*zoom: 1;
&:after {
content: "\0020";
display: block;
height: 0;
clear: both;
overflow: hidden;
visibility: hidden;
}
}
%column {
@extend %clearfix;
float: left;
margin-right: $gutter;
&.last {
margin-right: 0;
}
}
@for $i from 1 through 9 {
.span-#{$i} {
@extend %column;
width: $grid-unit * $i + $gutter * ($i - 1);
}
}
.span-1, .span-2, .span-3, .span-4, .span-5, .span-6, .span-7, .span-8, .span-9 { *zoom: 1; }
.span-1:after, .span-2:after, .span-3:after, .span-4:after, .span-5:after, .span-6:after, .span-7:after, .span-8:after, .span-9:after { content: "\0020"; display: block; height: 0; clear: both; overflow: hidden; visibility: hidden; }
.span-1, .span-2, .span-3, .span-4, .span-5, .span-6, .span-7, .span-8, .span-9 { float: left; margin-right: 10px; }
.last.span-1, .last.span-2, .last.span-3, .last.span-4, .last.span-5, .last.span-6, .last.span-7, .last.span-8, .last.span-9 { margin-right: 0; }
.span-1 { width: 60px; }
.span-2 { width: 130px; }
.span-3 { width: 200px; }
.span-4 { width: 270px; }
.span-5 { width: 340px; }
.span-6 { width: 410px; }
.span-7 { width: 480px; }
.span-8 { width: 550px; }
.span-9 { width: 620px; }
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jlong commented Jan 5, 2012

@chriseppstein What do you think we are missing? @StanAngeloff's example seems to illustrate the concept of the cascade and the similarity to @media bubbling well.

@nex3 I guess I just favor a more explicit syntax for this rather than a symbolic syntax. My module proposal is only to illustrate where you might take this if you venture in that direction. It would not need to be implemented all at once or in the same way.

The heart of my proposal for placeholder selectors is to use a keyword that is a noun. As demonstrated above you can still achieve the same cascade semantics as the symbolic method. Why not be more explicit? That seems to be the approach Scss favors.

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@jlong I think you're missing how a placeholder selector can be used in any selector, not just as the core definition of a class and not just in a nested block of selectors. This is one of their strengths and what makes them exactly like classes (except for not being output). This is a new primitive concept in sass and as such it is more explicit than the original @silent/placeholder proposal I made, where one line in one file could cause a single class to become a placeholder and no indicator of this would be visible when reading the source. A more verbose syntax that would be analogous to what we've implemented here would be .foo::placeholder or placeholder(.foo).

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jlong commented Jan 5, 2012

@chriseppstein I may be missing something. Can you show me a good example of "how a placeholder selector can be used in any selector, not just as the core definition of a class"? I'm struggling to understand why the keyword syntax can't do the same thing.

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jlong commented Jan 5, 2012

"This is a new primitive concept in sass and as such it is more explicit than the original @silent/placeholder proposal I made, where one line in one file could cause a single class to become a placeholder and no indicator of this would be visible when reading the source."

@silent .button { ... }
.button { ... } // more rules for button, also silent because of the directive above
.my-button { @extend .button }

Is this what you mean?

If so, your original proposal makes a class selector silent and I agree that this is problematic. I propose a named group of rules -- not a selector.

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nex3 commented Jan 5, 2012

@jlong In general, I prefer explicit syntax over symbolic syntax as well. The fact that placeholder selectors are obscure and not self-documenting is certainly their greatest shortcoming. However, in this case, the various proposed explicit syntaxes all have pretty significant downsides relative to placeholder selectors, and I think that those concerns outweigh the explicitness.

Specifically, proposals of the form @silent .foo { ... } require a lot of repetitive silencing and are contrary to the usual semantics of directives. Your @module syntax is as I mentioned complex to wrap one's head around; it's still not clear to me how you'd use it to provide for example a library of extendable classes. The most convincing factor for me was that in the end, all of the other proposals were ultimately just indirect ways of expressing "this selector should be a placeholder," which placeholder selectors express directly.

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@jlong, yes, that is what I mean. And it's one of the reasons we didn't end up merging that changeset. A named group of rules is a mixin. but at the point that it's in the document it needs to have a selector to be addressable by extend.

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