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'body': 'Unfortunately it depends on whether or not she appears on national '
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'body': 'Can we please get back to Rampart?',
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'body': 'When it makes the news.',
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'body': 'Wrong Woody, pal.',
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'body': "There's actually little to no evidence, which is why he was never "
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'body': 'Read the Wikipedia article on it. ',
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'body': 'The vanity article is concise and makes verifiable assertions, this '
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' \n'
"The arugments are so reaching... like asserting that Allen couldn't "
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' \n'
'I find it interesting how he never speculates why, as an adult, '
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' \n'
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"A lot of the vanity fair article points aren't addressed such as "
'the Judge calling Allen\'s actions "grossly inappropriate and that '
'measures must be taken to protect her.”',
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' \n'
' \n'
">In September 1993, the state's attorney, Frank Maco, announced "
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'allegations, despite having "probable cause", citing his and '
"Farrow's desire not to traumatize Dylan further. ",
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'body': 'Goddamit.\n'
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"Now I'm gonna have to read the articles instead of just reading the "
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'body': '>This piece is long winded and has surprisingly little '
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'Holy shit you were *not* kidding.',
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'body': '>The vanity article is concise and makes verifiable assertions, '
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"The Vanity Fair article is based primarily on people's opinions, "
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'>The arugments are so reaching... like asserting that Allen '
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"The article I posted never tries to argue that it didn't happen, "
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"It's been shown that false childhood memories can be implanted into "
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'and that people can misremember things drastically. It could '
"possibly be that she's not lying, she's just misremembering things, "
"or remembering things that didn't happen.\n"
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'>I find it strange half the article is about Soon-Yi, why '
'confuse things with two separate issues? It feels as though the '
'author is conveying well X rumors werent true, that must mean Y '
"wasn't true either.\n"
'\n'
"The author never tries to claim any of this as proof that it didn't "
"happen. In fact, he's calling out people who try to use their "
'misunderstandings of events as proof that it did happen, and '
'correcting these misunderstandings at the same time.\n'
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">A lot of the vanity fair article points aren't addressed such "
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'that measures must be taken to protect her.”\n'
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"While he doesn't go point by point, he does mention the article and "
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'It would seem to me that you did fully read the article I posted, '
'which I would suggest you do.',
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'body': 'Such a messy case, I wish the claims had actually gone to court, so '
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'body': "I just feel sorry for Dylan, as she's definitely a victim, the "
"question is just if she's the victim of a sexual abusive father or "
'a psychologically and emotionally abusive and manipulative mother. '
"Unfortunately, we'll probably never know the truth unless either "
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'body': 'Maybe even both? Perhaps Woody waa being slightly pervy and Mia saw '
'it as an opportunity and had her exaggerate it. So much is '
'unclear...',
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'body': "Anything's possible at this point.",
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'body': 'but but how else will we know what to think?\n',
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'body': 'Prosecutors often do make determinations (not judgments, obviously) '
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'body': 'Well no shit..',
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'certain attorneys do in fact determine whether probable cause '
"exists, namely state's attorneys. Does that clear up the confusion?",
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'certain people are being outed as sexual abusers & harassers '
'are being chosen like sacrificial lambs. Get rid of some liberal '
'assholes or peoples who pissed off the wrong executive. Let people '
'think for a minute that things are changing, use all this as a '
'distraction. Then when the wind shifts, people will forget to look '
'too close at sexual abuse and violence again. Play the narrative we '
'are getting better while the people who have money and power can '
'continue as they always have. \n'
'\n'
'It’s only popular but mid rage people who are getting accused, not '
'directors like Polański and Allen who are still getting work '
'besides their shady as fuck history. Why aren’t we hearing about '
'other older actors or musicians who have abused women? \n'
'\n'
'[We’ve been here '
'before](https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/she-the-people/wp/2013/02/12/no-more-free-passes-to-famous-men-who-abuse-women/?utm_term=.615bc57c9420). '
'This is an old narrative. Sure, I want this conversation, and I am '
'glad some are being faced with consequences. I just suspect after a '
'month we will move on, and in time forget because the powers that '
'be don’t really want change. This is just cultural theater. ',
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'^* Mel Gibson, Tom Cruise, Bill Cosby, Clint Eastwood, Roman '
'Polanski, Orson Scott Card, etc. ',
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'mayor, the policies of which are set to go nation wide if congress '
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'body': 'ah alright, was curious thanks! ',
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"too (dude's almost 90), but I tend to put him a step above the "
"others on the list... which still isn't great.",
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'might have more to do with his films being trite, repetitive, and '
'ultimately just dull. ',
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'body': 'Perhaps Woody Allen was pervy lol',
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'body': 'But what would be the mechanics of that? Who out there is '
'controlling whether victims (who could be anyone) contact the '
'press? And how?',
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'body': "As we've been seeing recently, child predators and sexual predators "
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'more like Frank as he ages, yet Mia forced Woody to pay child '
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'definitely fucking fits. Boycott forever. ',
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'saying "I haven\'t seen a Tom Cruise movie since Minority Report" '
"or the earlier question in this thread about why I won't see a "
'Clint Eastwood movie ("Unforgiven" was the last I\'ve seen) is '
'sometimes a good opener for discussion. I also like hear other '
'people\'s "will not support" lists and their explanations. It is '
'how I learned that I will never do anything that supports Orson '
'Scott Card for example.',
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'\n'
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'body': "I feel you on Orson Scott Card. I enjoyed Ender's Game when I was "
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'wet-dream.\n'
' \n'
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'wrap their heads around. Disney is so good at being a company that '
'they are breaking capitalism, also they ship hundreds to thousands '
'of high skilled jobs overseas while making record profits, royally '
'fucked our copyright laws, and at least half a dozen things I know '
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">Now I'm gonna have to read the articles instead of just reading "
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'body': 'Woody Allen was investigated by two different agencies and '
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'in this report has been abused or maltreated," the letter said. '
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'body': ">The article I posted never tries to argue that it didn't "
"happen, but that there's enough reason to doubt the allegations.\n"
'\n'
'claustrophobia is not a good reason to doubt that it happens. '
"saying that they 'are just trying to give reason to doubt that it "
"happens' is just an excuse for poor evidence. It makes a weak "
"argument and you can say, 'well it's not try to *prove* it didn't "
"happen, it's just putting it out there'. Well if it's just a bunch "
"of fluff it's better to not put it out there and confuse the "
'situation further. ',
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'body': 'With that justification what is a good source?',
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'body': "well probably something that can't be edited by about anybody. I "
'suppose ideally you should use multiple sources, you probably just '
"shouldn't take Wikipedia at it's word, even if it sounds "
'convincing.\n'
'\n'
'People unfamiliar with the details of how Wikipedia articles are '
'written often seem to overestimate the websites impartiality and '
'thoroughness. \n'
'You can see for yourself by looking at the talk page, where there '
'has been a pretty recent heated discussion on the subject, or by '
'looking at the edit history, where a majority of edits for quite '
'some time have been in some way related to these allegations. ',
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'body': 'However, Wikipedia makes an attempt to remain objective and '
'impartial. The editors are often very passionate about their '
'work. \n'
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"You can't say that about most publications these days.",
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